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>>64145025
I had a USP Match clone with LTT’s trigger job and optic cut I regret selling. The thing printed one hole groups at 7 yards, ridiculously easy shooting. The stock gun didn’t come with the match kit, the match kit improved the SA pull, made the reset a little bit worse, and didn’t do anything to the DA pull. The MK23 has a better trigger than the USP stock so it’s probably a perfect gun, the LTT MK23 already has most upgrades to it

>>64144988
It's not like this is a special thing that nobody can make. It's just that nobody makes it because it's stupid. Seems pretty lazy that a custom company can't make barrels or source them from elsewhere.

>>64145193
rude.

it appears only one specific company was making barrel blanks the width of the slide. Most people just thread on the end and weld it in place.

it's more like the one people who would make such a barrel at a price reasonable for nighthawk and Wilson Combat (who also recently discontinued their wafer barreled lines) is going under. probably because they didn't charge enough for the retarded machine work to make a huge barrel blank

I went shooting today. I spent hours practicing drills with my PX-4 Compact. I also got to shoot my buddy's 4" Model 10 with a trigger job. That shit was a blast.

i had a dream that i should go gripless

>>64145309
Wow based.

>>64145166
Im sure the ltt trigger is great. Ive only heard good things about them.
Im not sure how i feel about their acro plate. Probably works fine but a direct mount looks cleaner to me and i dont plan on swapping optics so a plate system doesnt give many advantages.

>>64145436
Their plate system for the 92 and PX4 is great since the design gets the dot at low as possible for a ~.85 inch height over bore which is decent for a plate. The plate system for the HKs don’t make as much sense, as you can direct mount them.

The plates use 3 4-40 or 3 short 6-32 but pretty sure 4-40 screws to mate to the slide and use CH precision T nuts to mate the optic to the plate. The plate utilizes a dovetail shape and a lug on the slide to act against recoil, it’s a decently made plate. For the 92 and PX4 which there is no other option that it makes a lot of sense. For the HK you could use thicker screws or even direct mount the optic. It’s kind of lazy for Langdon to reuse the 92 plate design but with different mounting holes for the HK but as plates go it’s a thin plate system and their offering of all in one package with zero’d BUIS (mostly zeroed) in opinion is cost effective.

Yeah I would just buy a MK23 and optic cut it from whoever does those direct mount that retains the original irons but I would be hesitant about getting an acro cut since Aimpoint seems to be perfecting the enclosed optic with the COA optics currently only for Glocks.

>Kind of want an M11
>Don't want to throw $1000 at current year Sig

>>64145469
On smaller guns like a glock 19 i like irons in front of the optic but on a massive gun like the mk23 i think id rather keep the full length sight radius.
Sounds like the move if i do get one is to get the LTT trigger and find a different company to directly mount the optic to the slide.
I havent heard much about the COA besides it exists and a hypothetical benefit about the mount securing it in two axis. I am upset about another footprint being added to the everlonger list so maybe i will hold off to see which way the market really goes. I was hoping when the military adopted the sig they would choose a more common mount instead of yet another proprietary solution.

Sig is finally selling the M17 for what they're worth

Since the last 1911 80% went "well enough"

>>64145834
I've decided to start another

Just bought this vintage laser for a S&W 686 2.5". Probably from the late 90s. Does anybody know if there's any size difference between an older 686 2.5" and the modern ones? Specifically the underlug, where the laser mounts. Wondering if I'd be okay buying a new production 686 or if I should just find an older one.

>>64145826
Oh my god, epic win bro.

>>64146139
I don't have an answer to your question but I want to say, that's absolutely sick as fuck and I hope you feel like a bad ass when it's mounted.

IMMA DRIP OUT

>>64146504
slap the ass for a special surprise!

Do comps mess with lighter bullets? I put a radian comp on my pistol and the 80gr TUIs were flying all over the place and I literally couldn’t get a zero at 25 yards

>>64145025
yfw

As to why you shouldn't, you will not be competitive, any run of the mill polymer wonder is accurate enough for competition, speed matters more.

>>64146668
If they’re shooting slowfire, then the mechanical accuracy of the gun and ammo combination is extremely important. Depending on ammunition choice some guns can shoot 4 inch groups or 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards and that’s with factory ammo.

>>64146704
Ammunition inconsistency in handguns is more an issue concerning squibs than accuracy, the average person is more unreliable in natural steadiness than handgun ammo is in consistency. Ive yet to hear of group sizings that big with handguns at a short range.

>>64146704
>slowfire
It would be doubly uncompetitive against actual target pistols and actual target shooters

>>64146755
HK’s polygonal rifling is good

>>64146704
Uh, what sanctioning body and division is doing slow fire with production 45ACP pistols?

>>64146798
Tuesday night pistol league apparently where anon’s competition is custom 1911s. Some of which are probably Les Baers with 50 yard 1.5 inch groups guarantees

>>64145025
>i think it would be fun to show up with one when everyone else is shooting custom 1911s.

You can't compete in USPSA Single Stack division with a MK23, the only other division where "everyone else has custom 1911s" is limited, which is a no optic division.

>>64146839
Hey, what if this is just a local club match with local rules and NOT apart of USPSA?

>>64146862
The boomers with actual target pistols will probably group their .22lr rounds in within one of your .45acp holes.

Stock Glock supremacy

>>64147174
This is purely a flex thing. Really doubt dino bone is a better grip material than G10.

>>64147192
I’ve always shitposted about the Trex bone flex for high end 1911s since mammoth ivory isn’t enough

I got this when my inflammatory condition was raging and racking slides and recoil were my enemy. Now through modern medicine it's tolerable and I'm at a crossroads for my next purchase. Do I get a more powerful carry gun to replace the tomcat or do I get a full-size to compliment it? I thought of getting some variation of the 92fs because recoil is still an issue for me and it being DA/SA would make it easier for me to train my brain for both the tomcat and 92 and make the 1st shot more consistent in a dangerous scenario. My other option is to get a compact striker-fired. Issue with that is I'd feel like I wasted money on the tomcat and training would be harder on my hands due to being made of polymer and smaller. Upside is a more viable carry gun.

Some more info is I don't train often, I haven't even gone to the range yet because of my health. I don't expect to buy another gun for a long time. Currently I'm leaning on getting a 92, if I can find an inox for a decent price then my guns would be a matching set alongside the benefits I stated. But my glockbro friend says the 92 is trash and I should move to a more modern gun. He says it's cheaper to get a striker-fired and use the excess cash on an optic but I'm not sure I will train enough to make that useful.

>>64147174
Why do all fancy 1911 look so goddamn awful?

>>64147326
If you're not gonna train much, hammer guns are the way to go. Especially if you have a chance of having more inflammatory issues again

>>64147326
Optics are a negative on a gun if you don’t train how to use them, but they allow you to do great training at home without ever firing a gun since the red dot gives you constant correct feedback about what the muzzle is doing when you’re dryfiring.

I find the PX4 compact while slippery without grip tape which might be a negative in your case, to be extremely soft shooting, perhaps softer shooting than a 92 but I might be insane. You can get low recoil 9mm ammunition both range and self defense loads, I was shooting some subsonic 150gr 9mm out of my PX4 I swear I could perceive how slow the slide was cycling.

As the other anon was saying, hammer guns can be easier to rack since you can lower the recoil spring and hammer spring weights. You can also separately cock the hammer and then rack the slide to make it even easier. Competition hammer guns could run springs so light you can rack the slide by punching the air (if the hammer was already cocked).

>>64147335
Boomers and Demented older Gen Xers buy them with all their aesthetic requirements.

>>64147335
Because a decent looking 1911 can be had for not very much money. The more guns you have the more you desire the strange and exotic. Look at Cabot and Infinity guns, super fucking ugly, fucking Spider-Man web engravings???? Oh look at us!!! We built a 1911 using steel from the Golden Gate Bridge! We made a pair of 1911s from rocks from the moon!!!

>>64147335

Eye of the beholder anon.

That being said you can buy/make whatever is your taste.

This 1911 is 106 years old.

PANIIIIICCC!!!!1

>>64147369
>Optics are a negative on a gun if you don’t train how to use them
imo it's the opposite, I've had the fun of bringing some friends to the range who did not shoot before, and red dot adoption is instant. You press trigger and hole appears where red dot used to be.
Iron sights are always a struggle at first - do you focus on target, or the front sight, which is awkward, is the point of aim top of fuckhueg dot that is larger than 8 circle of the target, or the center, which covers the target completely? etc. Then there are guns with fixed sights and retarded sight picture, like some revolvers with gutter rear and front dot - center of the dot is aligned with top of gutter for poi and the dot covers target, it's awkward.

>>64147545
bastuds. we need a peace deal with Russia so we can import all their cheap ammo.

Walther PDP arrived. Been running dry-fire drills to get used to the ACRO(I've mostly used RMRs in the past) and it's very crisp/clean. Taking it to the range tomorrow and I'm excited to see how it does.

>>64147545
Winchester bros stay winning.

>>64147563
I’m speaking about defensive use, Irons are more intuitive since you have to line up two things in front of you, dots aren’t since you have to align the red dot window with your face. Being able to quickly draw and have the dot appear on the target correctly has a huge learning curve

>>64147612
It's literally the best striker trigger ever. Even better than M&P 2.0's Apex trigger job.

>>64147630
I thought people were being hyperbolic when talking about the dynamic performance trigger (why does Walther insist on having long names for everything)? However, it's been super crisp/clean during dryfire drills. I don't feel any mushiness/issues with the take-up/break yet it's not so light as to be a "racy" type gun not fit for duty carry.

>>64147209
>>64147174
>>64147166
Missed opportunity to put it on a custom pre-A1 style 1911 build for true rich man's fossil status. Instead they put it on a goofy nu-11

>>64147545
oh no
>panic buying 1000 of 9mm

>>64147645
This

>>64147545
Thankfully aac also makes 5.7

>>64147639
Yeah, it's fucking legit. One thing that people often forget to do that's in the manual is put a dab of lube on your trigger bar. It's a contact surface.

>>64147683
Hmm I hadn't heard of that before. I'll follow the manual/video for my first few times. Thanks.

>>64147690
No prob. Just to show I'm not foolin you

>>64147608
We need Putin to have a window related accident so Russia can stop acting retarded so the sanctions can be lifted and I can buy a Baikal coach gun to cut down into a lupara.

>>64147619
>Irons are more intuitive since you have to line up two things in front of you
it might seem intuitive from where you are coming from, you can likely rack focus from target to sight and back quickly and effortlessly, but consider first day at the range, when people don't necessarily train for self defense yet, but treat it more like an axe throwing event or bowling, they just want to hit the middle of a circle on a sheet of paper, and for that, they typically need to use sharp front sight and aim at blurry target
for a lot of people "focus on" means "look at", they can't just refocus eyes on sights while looking at the target, and operate kind of like an early digital camera - to focus on something they must recompose such that it must be in the middle of their field of view
it's a big hurdle to overcome during first few shooting range sessions, and red dots just don't have it, it's a perfectly sharp video game crosshair that floats on top of perfectly sharp sheet of paper, it's more enjoyable

>>64145309
Alright James Bond.

>>64147701
Cheers thanks

>>64147719
I think he referring to general sight alignment and not sight picture. If you are new and don't have a consistent draw, it's intuitive to line up two different things. Front sight is above and to the right of the rear sight? Point it down and to the left
If you hand a pistol with a RDS to a novice, they tend to swivel it in their hand until they find the dot because it's not totally intuitive what direction to move the gun to aim it.

>>64146942
Based

>>64146755
Its a casual leauge but it is actual target pistols with actual target shooters. One of the guys used to be an alt for the olympics.
I mainly do it because its how my old man likes to shoot and its a fun way to spend time with him.

>>64146798
>>64146831
>>64146869
Exactly this. Im using a ruger mkii against pardinis and gsp's. Im not trying to be bleeding edge just having fun. Current .45 is an ria so anything is an improvment.

They do a 25 yd three gun match basically following nra bullseye rules. .22, "center fire pistol", and a .45.

>>64147878
stock everything

Picked up the BG 2.0 and put 450 rounds of AAC and 100 rounds of federal HST through it. My fucking fingers hurt I forgot how hard it is to load S&W mags that havent been broken in yet. Lubed her up before I shot it and then at 250 rounds.

Groups well, my sights are definitely on target when I'm doing what I need to do as a shooter. Here are my first 5 groups out of the thing, by about 300 rounds in I was putting all my rounds in one of the smaller circle targets at the top/bottom at 7 yards. By 500 rounds in my groups had opened back up to the size of these first ones just from fatigue or maybe barrel heat had something to do with it.

>>64148004
Oh i should mention that center diamond group was fast fire. I generally didn't notice a massive difference in my groups between the 10 and 12 round mags, so I will definitely be carrying with the 10 rounders.

>>64147961
>no horse sex aid
Unrealistic, bad bot

>>64148013
I had 19 light strikes with the AAC, all but 1 had VERY deep primer strikes. All went off the second try.

>>64148031
That’s super bad, that’s about as bad as this one batch of Wolf steel case my friend picked up years ago, it was about 1/8-1/12 rounds would just not go off, totally dud primers.

>>64147961
>plastic sights
no thanks

>>64148047
They’re disposable, I’ve fucked up the sights on both my Glocks and had to replace them with better, steel and tritium versions, it’s like a sacrificial wear thing.

>>64148031
I had one very light strike with the 99 grain federal HST in 100 rounds, and that spooks me. I'm used to shooting 124gr +p 9mm speer gold dots with 100% reliability after idk 300 some rounds for my hollows. Anyone have a better hollow point they reccomend? Is this one just gun related instead of mag related and I should chock it up to the break in period?

>>64148053
What incredible cope. You know other guns just ship with good sights you can't fuck up. Glock would do that too if you ever held them accountable for their flaws.

>>64148062
Had one failure to eject with the AAC as well, my only failure in 550 rounds. I had planned on shooting 500 rounds of AAC and 150 of the HST but my fingers just hurt too much from those goddamn stiff mags man. It happened in the first 100 rounds so with all the issues I had with the AAC light strikes im not sure if it was break in period or just that ammo being a bit shit.

>>64148053
Almost lost my extraction rod detent a few times but I keep neglecting to buy spares, kek

>>64148073
Nobody's holding every AR-15 manufacturer for shipping guns / uppers without sights at all

>>64148082
Glock fanboys should be launched into the sun, but not before they are drawn and quartered

>>64148082
I'm an AK guy. Wait till you hear my takes on how AR owners should hold their companies accountable for not shipping $2,000 guns with any sights at all. Fucking embarassing.

>>64148090
Glock didn't become the Honda Civic of pistols without having aftermarket supremacy

>>64148096
>spending more than $1300 on any carbine
wew lad

>>64145608
Buy used, stupid.

>>64148173
>Glock didn't become the Honda Civic of pistols without having aftermarket supremacy
You have it the other way around.

>>64148173
Glocks came into being by undercutting any competition for police duty firearms. Originally Glock was going to sell them for ~300 dollars to U.S. civilians (while still making a profit) but he was told that pricing it low would make people think it’s cheap crap so he priced them higher at 500.

>>64146755
They do alright

>>64148212
And now you can get any type of Glock for roughly $400

>>64148212
Gaston was a hero of the people, 300$ at the end of the 80s is like 800$ today, so there is that

More PCC than pistol, but still relevant since the only way to do this even quasi-legally is with a brace, which technically counts as pistol carry:
What is your opinion of B&T's concept of carrying an off-body backpack gun, and upon drawing it, using the backpack as a makeshift chest rig, for drawing mags, dumping empties, keeping a ballistic plate, or getting whatever else you need?

Took the Tisas m1911A1 out today, only three malfunctions, all of which were the slide crashing into the back of the disconnector, no problems with the extractor, slide stop or ignition. Pretty happy with it although damn shooting two handed with an A1 is brutal

>>64148277
This. Glocks are one of the few firearms that have gotten cheaper with inflation factored in.

>>64146219
>that's absolutely sick as fuck
this

>>64148324
lol

>>64148324
You'll just end up looking like this faggot

>>64147326
A small backup gun will never be a waste of money, one should aim to have many guns.
Also I won't lie, I love the 92, but if you want something a little smaller for concealed carry the 80x still has similar controls to the tomcat and 92 minus the tilting barrel. 380 is a little better than 32 as well.
And don't discount using an optic for the sole fact that a solidly mounted red dot makes the slide 10X easier to rack. I strain myself less racking a 10mm with an optic than pushing the tomcats barrel latch with my thumb and pushing the barrel down. And the 80x is optics ready.

>>64148508
I bought the tomcat a little before the cheetah 80x came out. I would have gone with the cheetah if it was available and not disgustingly expensive at launch.

I think I'll test borrow some of these at the range if they're available. Maybe they don't have the cheetah but a 92, some striker-fired etc. I'll keep the optics thing in mind, one of my choices was S&W 2.0 OR.>>64148508

>>64148324
In theory it could be useful, in reality the chance of a situation where this gives you an advantage over a (much faster to access) handgun are very slim.
You'd be better served by practicing your gun-kata

https://youtu.be/oj4DCxY5KqY

What do you recommend as a first handgun

I'm thinking about getting a nice handgun (europe), something between 2 and 3k€. Am I making a mistake with a fancy walther (picrel but with the red dot cut)? I already have a pdp 4" and I'm quite happy with it but it's a little light and have quite a lot of muzzle flip.

>>64148668
If I was gonna drop that much on a handgun, I'd go with a Benelli B76 or Swiss Sig P210 or some type of Korth or Spohr revolver.

>>64148580
There is a long answer coming with a lot of question and there is a short answer. I will give you the short, get a 4" glock or walther pdp.

>>64148668
I personally don't think it's worth that much even if it is one of the special editions, I don't find mine to be soft shooting enough despite the weight, but really the only one who can answer that question is u

I'd rather have a upper-middle-grade 2011 for that money

>>64148580
No intention to carry: Big 9mm
Intend to carry: Smol 9mm
Big is less punishing to learn on

>>64148677
I want to go with a 9mm because ammo other than 22lr and 9mm are just too expensive. The market in Europe can be fucked on new & second hand guns, especially imports.

My first choice was a S&W target champion in 9mm and ideally 6" barrel but the thing is nearly impossible to find.

>>64148696
>upper-middle-grade 2011 for that money
Market being fucked, the price difference between a springfield prodigy and a ppq Q5 SF with the nicest trigger is 300 to 500€ (Q5 is the more expensive). Guns like the nicer bull (with the slide cuts and other nice stuff) are 1k over the Q5. Also regarding 9mm 1911/2011, I have a reliability worry. I've so many conflicting takes.

>>64148580
>striker
CZ p10c
>da/sa
Beretta PX4 Compact
>revolver
S&W Model 642

>>64148696
Can I ask what that monstrosity is that's next to the blue diva of a handgun?

>>64145129 (OP)
RXM striker sleeve broke at around 1k rounds. I used to shill it like crazy on /hg/ so it's only right that I admit what happened
Ruger is sending me another without even asking for pics in typical Ruger fashion, but I should probably just put a Glock one in. Since I don't carry it I'm just gonna run the Ruger one and see what happens
Also important to note that it failed in a way that didn't actually fuck the gun up; I'm sure if it cracked differently it could have fucked with the striker positioning more.

What's a good tooled leather belt company that makes gun belts for cc carry?
Tooled(carved) leather with a cool design.
Tired of the nylon.
Hell I live like 45 minutes out of Cheyenne anyway.

>>64148728
Ronin leatherworks but I don’t know if he does tooled leather.

This is one of his holsters I have, brown leather and brown shark hide trim.

>>64148727
What an odd part to have fail. Never even heard of something like that breaking.

>>64148728
Hanks is what immediately comes to mind and is what I carry with

>>64148709
Mm, must be an import thing, that stinks. Maybe something made in eroop like a CZ Shadow variant or copy then? I know you guys have those out the wazoo

If you REALLY love Walther the SF is satisfyingly well made, but in my experience the weight makes little to no difference over the plastic models which are substantially cheaper and have the same triggers available. It still has that snappy Walther feel

>>64148711
It's a Felk TF919, made in Spain by an Australian company for the American market

>>64148746
>CZ Shadow
Shadow 2 is indeed everywhere in Europe for roughly the same price as a Q5 SF.

how do I come around to accepting a red dot on my handgun

every one I've tried of someone else's I just didn't care for it and I spent too long hunting for the dot

>>64148755
Just get really, really good at iron sights and then you may get the itch to try anne platform

>>64148744
I think it's just a legacy part from the original Glock. Idk what it does, I'm sure you could run your Glock without one. Until pieces of it break and bind you up

>>64148755
It kind of has to be your gun so you can practice a lot with it, a dot is so much easier to use, I barely use ever shoot an irons gun over a dot. I find actually that the dot has made me a much better irons shooter since to use a dot you must develop the skill to be able to draw the gun and be aimed in such a way that you don’t have to find the dot as it’s already there on the target where you are looking.

Shooting rapid fire with the dot is so much easier, I can watch my dot = muzzle dance up and down on the target

Anyone use hockey tape for grip on their handguns? I wrote it off as a stupid trend but after trying it in the hot sweaty summer heat it really helps me lock in my grip

>>64148755
70% of people who don't like dots don't understand how they work and the other 30% don't run them for simplicity/reliability/size reasons which is fair
learn index + target focus to get out of the 70% then decide if you want to be in the 30%

>>64148779
I mean once you learn how to use a dot it’s advantages are so undeniable you don’t really want to go back

There’s a lot of videos you can watch that can teach you, I would mostly stick to Ben Stoeger since he has the right idea that the words “finding the dot” are forbidden and counter productive. No stupid “wave grip” or other techniques to find the dot, just hard practice building the technique to not need to find it.

>>64148668
If you don't feel like going with a 2011 go with a tanfoglio. Fit and finish are about as nice as you can get without going custom 2011 route, and super nice trigger.

>>64148544
Good idea to rent some out.

>>64148788
Recommends shit firearm brand known for absolutely being the worst possible choice.
Feed issues, frame cracking issues, extreme ammunition sensitivity issues particularly in the most common weights for caliber, feeding ramp, extractor and trigger issues. Its literally a list of every part and function that tangfolios have issues with. You would have to have your head in the sand to buy this garbage.

>>64148801
CZ fanboy spotted

>>64148807
Fanboy, my team your team, whataboutisms, all things that will not change the facts I laid out from being facts. Not a fan of CZ either.

>>64148801
They had a couple issues in the past but they've become very nice over the years. Plus they're Ben Stoeger and Joel Park approved (for whatever that's worth).

>Stoeger
The only thing I think of when I hear that name is crappy turka imported shotguns.

>>64148820
Ben stoger is a faggot larper that is just copying the blueprint laid out by another comp faggot before him to cash in.
Why not just go down to your local karate McDojo and have them train you for the UFC. Bens a dipshit that would get turned into a colander in a real firefight.
Tangfolio is shit and they pay Ben to shill it.

https://www.guns.com/firearms/p/ruger-security-9-compact?i=48995

Ruger Security 9 compacts for under $300

>>64148820
Next quote the fag Brian Enos about grip position. Hes the asshole that did the shill shit stoger is doing before him. These fucking assclowns are sport shooters. They know absolutely fuck all about home defense, self defense, or any other helpful information for you. Zero. You might as well go ask quick draw mcgraw down at the local cowboy shoot his opinion.
These guys are grifters. Its a popularity thing and they cash out when they are on the top or on the way out of a sport. Thats it. Listening to them for any reason other than sport shooting is retarded. Taking gun advice is retarded. They are paid to shill.

>>64148837
>>64148859
Uhh, more just pointing out that comp shooters put a lot of rounds through their guns and Ben hasn't complained about excessive parts breakage on any of his, idk 80k rounds with minimal parts replacement is a fair number.
You're free to not listen to shooting advice from him, I don't really either, but he does put guns through more than most people do.

>>64148876
I remember Ben talking about how Tangfolio extractors wouldn’t work out the box and the guns being very finicky. Where replacing the extractor wouldn’t be enough and the gun would still have issues, compared to his Berettas were all he needed to do was clean the extractor channel and replace the parts whenever it didn’t work and it’d work again. He also complains about CZ quality control and bought 4 CZ shadow 2s to ensure he gets at least one working one

>>64148876
If you buy a pistol its a random one the shop has. If a relatively large audience reviewer buys or tests a pistol they get a specialy selected pistol. When stoger gets a pistol its inspected three times, sent to a gunsmith, refitted and molded to his spec. Then if it has issues they fix it for him. Oh, and they send him a big envelope of cash to say nice things about them.
My experience with tangfolio and what I have seen, and read. All infuriating. That bad.

>>64148876
>>Ben Stoeger, renews his sponsorship with EAA Corp to represent its Tanfoglio line of competition pistols in the 2018, 2019 & 2020 competition shooting seasons.

>>64148895
Alright that's fair if you've had problems with them, I guess we've just had very different experiences with them.
>>64148894
I feel like I remember that video but his video titles and thumbnails make finding specific videos difficult

>>64148746
What a strange group for a handgun to be conceived from

>>64148847
If glock is good enough for Stoeger, it's good enough for you.

What's the best modwing & gunbelt for iwb appendix carry?

>>64149139
Phlster enigma

>>64149139
Probably the Enigma as the Anon above said.

>>64149139
>>64149210
It has some compromises but if you want to AIWB every day and I mean every day then it’s probably the most comfortable and flexible. You can even wear it OWB at the range or not wearing any clothes at all.

It's looking like it's over for Bob Vogel, bros.
Reject sleazecore, become a good Christian shooter like Brandon Wombat.

>>64149228
Is Ben next bros??? Is he going to be caught committing sexual misconduct with the midget wrestlers?

>>64149295
Ben seems more like a "didn't disclose a conflict of interest" guy

>>64149295
Nah, Ben is kind of an airhead surfbro but not a degenerate. Apparently Vogel bucks anything that moves and wants to chase women on the edge of barely legal and he's on opiates too. What a maniac.

>>64149318
Bro he literally wears strip club merchandise shirts

>>64149317
How? Nobody wants to work with him in the industry except his few friends

He shit talks everyone and loves drama

Ben is smart enough to stick to midget strippers to get it out of his system. Subcompacts if you will.

>>64149320
So? Maybe he just goes there for wings and beer.

>>64149349
Pizza and beer Ben?

At Secrets Cabernet?

>>64149410
kek

>>64149426
You called?

I'm still amazed at how the fluted cylinder of a 686+ can fire full power .357 mag. I wonder how long this thing can survive, I've put at least 2000 rounds through it so far. For a S&W made in the 2000s with a hillary hole this thing has been a blast to shoot. They must have some incredible metallurgy in their steel.

>>64148801
>>64148801
ferrari's shit
asthon martins shit
buggati is shit
rolls has shit reliability
but all those cars are respected, and even cheap niche cars are respected because car guys understand those things give you feelings you can't get from other cars

guns have become mindless fucking consumerism, so of course it's always a dick measuring contest, and thats exactly how companies love it, the 3 fucking companies that have sold you 3 of the same fucking gun that you don't god damn need when OH FUCK THEY MAY A PORTED JIGGABOO VERSION
FUCKING LOVE, that your barely scraping by, credit card debt, fucking social media scrolling chubby fat ass, is here SHITTING ON ANYONE AND EVERYONE ELSE
that you have invested into their shit and that is your whole personality and you are doing free fucking marketing and propaganda

eat a dick, his gun looks sick as fuck, and we all know your jealous because it gives you penis envy

What holster should I get

>>64149528
safariland level 3 holster

>>64149528
>holster
what, you don't have a belt?

The front sight fiber optics in my 'retta 92 GTS fell off. Does anyone know the exact diameter? Maybe 1.5mm?

>>64149539
I already have one of those I want a cc iwb holster sorry should have specified
>>64149628
I don’t Mexican carry but sometimes I have a gun in my bag

>>64149528
>glock
Prison wallet.

>>64149631
I would guess 1.5mm, I have a 1.5mm Wilson Combat tube and it looks to be the as one of my Beretta LTTs

Is $18.50/ box of 50 .357 158gr a good deal?

>>64149662
depends on brand

if it's ammo inc, i would reconsider

Anybody got an IWB holster they've trained with a ton that they'd be willing to share photos of? I'm curious how severely Kydex wears with use.

Of course, Safariland has been making duty holsters out of polypropylene lately, so I may be overestimating how important a durable inner surface is on holsters.

>>64149446
Thought that was the Leyjun symbol.

>>64147166
>actually dinosaur bone
Fossilized bone is not bone.

>>64149656
thanks I guess I'll just order that size, I have some amazon shit to return anyway so if it doesn't fit it's no big deal

>>64148750
Isn't the new Shadow Target a Europe-only model? Maybe that's in your budget, and a little more special.

>>64149672
New Republic

>>64148491
what a gay hat lmao

>>64148755
target
focused
shooting
Focus on where you want the hits and your point of aim will take the dot there

>>64149528
Tier1 concealed

I'm so mad about my new 686, it was missing the roll pin on the front sight. I called S&W and ended up having to email pictures to get them to understand, they respond I'll have to send it in and lead times are 8 to 9 weeks to fix it.

What the hell, that's not acceptable to fix a front sight. I could put in a roll pin but drilling a tiny hole in the metal sight blade would be a pain in the butt. Unbelievable.

>>64149836
I should add for comparison that everything I've heard about Charter Arms customer service is that guns have been fixed and sent back in just a few days.

Red or blue loctite for attaching sights?

>>64149893
Green loctite

>>64149898
Why green over blue and purple?

>>64149831
I heard tenicor was mo betta. Thoughts?

>>64149893
None. Your slide is fucked if they are loose.

>>64149919
They're not loose, a number of people online recommend it though

>>64149930
Then you're dumb for inventing a problem to solve.

>>64148327
>although damn shooting two handed with an A1 is brutal
how come? I was thinking of buying a Tisas for the kino aspect

>>64149836
You are talking to Indians.
Not even joking.

>>64149490
Infinity rounds.
Ruger does the same thing with their 7 shot GP100 which has a slightly smaller cylinder. There's nothing amazing about the metallurgy.

>>64149981
No it was some boomer woman in Tennessee.
Guess Im forced to give it to them and hope its sent back sooner...

>>64149901
Green's the best. Simple as.
>>64149905
Don't know anything about tenicor, apologies.

>>64149836
>S&W

i'm so sorry everyone... I thought the glock grip angle wasn't a meme until I went back to a proper grip angle and holy shit my recoil control went through the roof. I don't even know why anyone would buy a glock.

>>64149528
>Glock
Carry it in your purse.

How does the Max-9 compare to other micro-9's like the p365 and hellcat?

>>64150335
They are in it for the horse semen

>>64150561
I haven't shot it like I have the other 8 micro 9s I've tried, but I did just finger fuck one 2 days ago. The trigger feels like a heavy DA revolver trigger and the grip texture just isn't aggressive enough for a tiny pistol that you're going to need every bit of help to hold on to.

The taurus gx4 is $100 cheaper AND comes with 50 rounds of Hornady critical defense hollow points through the rebate. It has a better trigger and grip texture. I'd reccomend that as a cheap tiny gun if that's the angle you're persuing.

>>64148013
how's the greenstreak been running in the bodyguard?

>>64150684
Shot 450 rounds of it yesterday and had an unbelievable ammount of light strikes with perfectly good primer hits. Planning on shooting more today. I can't remember if it was 18 or 19 light strikes but I do remember two mags where it happened twice.

>>64148062
>99 grain federal HST
oh shit you might literally be me. I just ordered a box of those and the green streaks (on sale) to see how they run. Sad to hear you had a light strike with HST's, after many hours of watching YouTube videos those seemed like the best 380 defensive ammo for the bodyguard. Only thing that comes close in both penetration and expansion is the Hornady FTX

>>64150690
I'll shoot another 50 rounds of the HST after another 500 rounds of the AAC and see if I have any further problems. The light strike was VERY light so it may have been the gun not the ammo.

>>64150690
Please post here about your expirence, I'm interested if it's just a bad batch of AAC I got or if it's all of it, or even if it's gun related and I should send mine back to S&W

>>64150699
>>64150712
will do. It does seem like you're getting a lot more light strikes than I would expect. Haven't put many rounds through my bag yet but haven't had any light strikes. Shot 100 rds monarch, 100 rds winchester white box and 20 hornady black xtp. Zero light strikes. Only the winchester had problems, feeding issue where the 2nd to last round in the mag would nose dive and not go into the chamber.

>>64150756
I'll see if I have any more 380 laying around I forgot about and maybe get 250 rounds at the range or something. If every ammo is having trouble then maybe it's not the ammo.

>>64148801
My Stock I Xtreme has been awesome over these past few months. No jams, no feed issues, nothing. It’s my favorite gun to shoot, bar none.
>>64148788
Yes.

>>64150793
Thank god I'm such a retarded hoarder that I bought a ton of 380 before I even had a 380 pistol. Got a case of S&B and Magtech so I can see if it's the gun or just the AAC ammo

Sig P320s are apparently going as low as $142.
Is it over, bros?

>>64151084
>p320s as low as $142
>its over
Nope, its dope as hell. The p320 might have eNDed, but sig will be alright.

If you had 2K, cash, what would you buy right now?

>>64151113
14 Sig P320s

>>64151113
20 Taurus GX4s to be distributed to the homeless community in San Francisco. The AI shit has gotta stop.

>>64151113
a case of 7.62x39
a case of 5.56
a couple cases of 9mm and .380 each

>>64151113
Probably put that shit in a roth

>>64151113
Yeah probably just 5.56. I have a decent stockpile of handgun ammo already

>>64151084
I see that one picture from fucking facebook is still making the rounds

>>64151164
I think you need 5K to start a Roth, but better do it quick because they keep hinting they’re gonna take it away.

>>64151280
You can get one started on robinhood for a song, iirc

>>64151317
>robinhood
Ohhhhh no no no no no hahahahahahahaha

Is the PX4 storm strictly an upgrade from the 92? They're both DA/SA, hammer-fired, etc. I don't see Beretta making the PX4 just to have a polymer lower, the rotating barrel must actually give it an edge right?

PDP Pro SD 18rd/5.1 inch barrel 620.00 with price request

https://thegunshopusa.com/product/walther-pdp-pro-sd-full-size-5-1-or-3-18rd/

Is gen 5 worth upgrading to from gen 4?

>>64151463
>Is the PX4 storm strictly an upgrade from the 92?
That's way too vague to say as the 92 is more of a platform than any one gun.
>the rotating barrel must actually give it an edge right?
I believe most PX4 shooters, including myself, can attest to the gun having less "felt" recoil. Whether that is solely attributed to the rotating barrel or not is up to further debate. Personally, I would pick the PX4 Compact over the 92 due to concealability alone.

>>64151555
Well, based on your trips, you must upgrade

>>64151555
If you didn't own a glock and were considering both, you want the Gen 5. If you already have a Gen 4, unless you really hate the finger grooves, I wouldn't spend the money to upgrade.

>>64151463
The Cougar was the successor to the 92, the rotating barrel design to handle .40 and .357 Sig without cracking frames like the 96. The PX4 is the successor to the Cougar and in my opinion better than the 92

Also asking here >>64151580

>>64151280
You dont already have a Roth? You dont have 5k in savings or at least invested that could get put into an IRA?

>>64151555
Checked, hodl for the Gen5 price drop when Gen6 launches

>>64151647
I do. That’s why I said “I think” because it was more than 2K.

>>64145834
>>64145836
Neat, what files and tools do you use?

>>64145129 (OP)
Are the round parts of my Beretta 92 slide supposed to look like the first row? Is this just quality American machining on display?

>>64151910
It’s low poly soul

Who makes the most aesthetic Glock trigger shoe?

>>64152042
Apex, it's the least gay looking one that isn't distracting but is also different. Obviously get a black one or you are literally a spic

>>64152042
overwatch precision

>>64150688
>>64150690
Ok so that settles that. I shot 150 rounds of the S&B, 50 rounds of magtech, and 50 more rounds of HST without a problem. I had wanted to shoot 450 rounds to bring the gun up to an even 1k but the blister I developed yesterday where the 10 round mag and seam of the 12 rounder sits on my pinky rubbed off and with another 250 rounds down range without any malfunctions at all I think I have it isolated to the AAC being the issue. Still probably worth the 6cpr savings over other brands it was when I got it on sale. I guess the HST issue can just be chocked up to break in period.

>>64151146
>200x20=2k
Anon...

>>64152309
I shoot better groups with this baby of a gun than I do with most compact pistols. I'm loving it so far lads. The QVO pocket holster is also great, the plastic wing is made out of grippy polymer that grabs your pocket material and pulls the gun free. Really clean quick release, that was 100% reliable in 3 of the 4 pairs of shorts I tried it in. The lounge shorts I tried it with have giant loose pockets and it just couldnt latch onto any material. I'd reccomend it to any other BG 2.0 owners out there looking to try something

>>64152321
Fuck me I'm literally retarded. Yall have the grace of saints or similarly aerodynamicly smooth brains for not pointing it out earlier

>>64152326
What's the fishy holster?

Not sure what the reaction will be to my question but I figure the hanguns gen probably the best place to ask.
I'm new to handguns (mostly shoot long guns, though I have fired handguns) and have a (probably autistic) idea to get a first handgun in .22 for the purposes of training better shooting posture, the idea being that using a lighter round will allow me to just focus on posture, grip and maintaining sight picture, while also doing so in a relatively cheap round (also I figure a plinking gun is just fun to have for when I go with friends to the range)
Is there some merit to my thinking or am I being retarded and should just get the real gun and train with 9mm / .45?

>>64152309
>>64152326
Nice, will keep it in mind! Thanks!

Between the GX4, TX22 and G2C, Taurus is fast becoming the darling of /hg/

>>64152409
A ruger mkiv is always good to have but yeah it’s kinda pointless just get a 9mm and shoot a case of ammo through it and you’ll be decent. That money on a .22 is better served buying more ammo to train with.

>>64152409
The thing is grip matters for both consistent trigger pulls as well as managing recoil, so your grip may be unsuitable for heavier recoiling rounds.
But definitely get both when you can, everyone needs a plinker

>>64152409
You can certainly do some training with .22; grip, presentation, trigger pulls, sight alignment, not to mention having a ton of fun. But ultimately THE hurdle to handgun shooting is recoil, which you cannot practice with .22. Your monkey brain will destroy everything else you've worked for once you introduce recoil. If you want to learn to shoot handguns, you'll have to practice with 9mm or greater. That said .22 is fine as an introductory gun and like I said it'll always be a fun addition to your stable! I still use .22 to "warm up" when I haven't shot for awhile and I ALWAYS bring at least one .22 just because low recoil is a hoot to shoot

Side note: if your goal is to carry, you need to get started on making recoil part of your training, and because your control of it fades with time you need to keep on it

tl;dr Get both imo

>>64152409
There is absolutely merit to it, and luckily for you the arguably best 22lr pistol atm is cheap as shit. For most people training on a full size handgun is easiest, but as long as you don't get retarded and buy a tiny micro compact I have faith you will figure it out just because you're doing due diligence and asking here, which means you will probably bother to look up grips and training guides.

>>64152355
QVO, it was a bit pricy for the canvas koi pattern and I opted for the DCC monoblock as well in case I decided pocket carry wasn't for me, but honestly I love it. Works well and looks fun

>>64152472
>>64152487
>>64152491
>>64152516
Thanks for the replies; recoil was the thing that the more reasonable part of my mind was pointing out, but I figured it never hurts to ask. Still, the local store usually has cheap SA revolvers in .22, so for plinking I might pick up one of those.

If you mind a more subjective question, is there any obscure pros v. cons between hammers and strikers, or any personal opinions on them? More asking about people's experiences with them because I'm conflicted- I like the form and some of the operation of hammers (yeah I'm a diet fudd) but I can't deny the easier operation of strikers (and I do like the look and feel of the PPQ a little).

>>64152607
I don't think the practicality of either should figure in to your decision, neither is really superior. Hammer I guess is "safer" but striker is more consistent. With use the benefits and detriments of either will become second nature, just get which you like which seems to be hammer. It's not like you're going to stop at 1 gun

>>64149991
Do you have any experience with that gp100? I've heard holsters are hard to find/it's not easy to carry because the cylinder is too big

>>64152686
Opening this question up to the general.

My only experience with carrying revolvers is the bodyguard 38. Man that gun sucked to shoot. Hogue grips made it better. I also had a part in the lockwork break lol, all of this kind of ruined me on wheelguns, but I'm looking to get back into it. Eyeing a GP100, and the 7 round cylinder feels like I'm getting slightly closer to parity with autoloaders. Also feel like I ought to consider the sp101 but the difference between 5 and 7 rounds feels big. Any thoughts from the peanut gallery?

>>64152607
If you're new to conceal carrying, I usually recommend hammers for the peace of mind. If you just want a gun for home defense or range fun, it doesn't matter

>>64152761
My experience with owning wheel guns but never carrying them but once pondered carry, 7 shot .357s are wide. 9 shot 1911s in 10mm are easier to carry. In compact carry guns, 5 rounds of .357 to 12 rounds of 9mm is a big difference

>>64152774
I've carried a glock 19 my entire life. Need something more soulful

>>64152761
I have been on the edge of buying an SP101 for over a year now. I've shot countless boxes of .38 and .357 through my friend's gun and a range rental. I only have two problems with it: 1) a capacity of 5 and 3) the 4.2" version is in stainless.

If I could find a blued .357 magnum revolver with a capacity of 6 and was as easy to conceal and had the same grip as the SP101, I'd buy it in a heart beat.

I compare every new revolver I learn about to the SP101 Match Champion on handgunhero and it never measures up

>>64152783
S&W just rereleased the model 36 with no lock and a blued finish

You can use a G19 mag with one side shaven off in a 43x and it runs perfectly reliably

>>64152761
GP100 is absolutely massive, it's 686/Python sized. The smallest six shot carryable 357 is probably a 4 inch model 66, or a Colt King Cobra, or a Kimber K6S

You should forget about muh capacity (it doesn't matter) and settle for a six shot, you really have no clue how overbuilt the guns get to give you 7 shots. It's not worth it, they get massively wide and the grips get longer because they're primarily for target shooting and hunting

>>64152826
https://ruger.com/products/redhawk/specSheets/5059.html

Imagine the balls it would take to conceal carry this, though

>>64149966
In my 100 rounds of experience, you need your dominant hand higher up on the gun so your support hand doesnt fall off the bottom/settles in, but when you get your firing hand up higher you get slide bite and it hurts. A beavertail solves this pretty well.

You can overcome the lack of frontstrap texturing and the small safety but I feel like a beavertail is kinda necessary to shoot a 1911 two handed

>>64149901
>green, blue, purple
Thanks, doc.

>>64152855
man I just hate ruger. This thing is the same price as a Python, its a cheap ass cast frame, it's raw unpolished stainless, and they make zero effort whatsoever to dehorn these hideous revolvers. Just an ugly brick of a gun. I can't imagine pulling this ugly thing out of the safe and feeling any shred of pride

>>64152885
Ruger is the working man's gun. Colt is owned by CZ and S&W sold their soul before some of you were even born.

Bill Ruger had some outdated ideas but any Ruger revolver you buy is going to outlast you and your grandkids.

>>64152859
I foam at the mouth when people say they don’t like beavertails on 1911s

>>64152934
But it's not even a working man's price? What's the fucking point of buying a Gp100 when a 686 is the same price?

>>64153040
That’s the best part. There isn’t one.

>>64151639
That insert is so that the slide cams the trigger back to reset position. In the before times, this was called "trigger slap" and was often an issue with AK's. Now it's the key to auto reset triggers

>>64153040
What's the point of buying an RXM or M&P 2.0 when you can get a Gen 3 Glock 19 for cheaper?

>>64153260
Because glocks are gay

>>64153385
You can just say you can't shoot

>>64153437
Shooting cum up another man’s asshole is something I can’t do, true.

>>64153437
>glocksucker cope: y-you can't shoot
I shoot ropes on your mom all the time.

Seriously though, I just don't like the angle. I own a steyr, and the grip is just uncomfortable for me. Can I train around it, sure, but it still sucks and I'd rather use a pistol I feel comfortable with. no need to get upset over a joke.

>>64153437
I actually like the Glock trigger, the grip angle is fucking dogshit

Cripple-anon, how is a revolver as a primary handgun? Loading magazines hurts my hands. I'd imagine a 3-inch revolver might cover a lot of bases. Not sure if I can withstand 357 but 38+ should do the trick.

>>64152885
>anon when injection molded striker slop
:^O
>anon when stainless steel isn't perfectly hand blended
>:(

I don't get it

>>64152825
can you not afford a proper magazine?

>>64153553
Get a Taurus 605 3 inch defender
Cheap price, has a night sight, eats .357 but realistically you'll be doing .38s in it

Have had hundreds of magnums through mine with no issue, but honestly just stick to standard pressure buffalo bore .38 special wadcutters for carry. 150gr 960fps out of a 3" barrel

That said, magnums are stupid fun to shoot out of it at the range

>>64145129 (OP)
Why am I so autistic about wanting a 92x? I tried looking at hammer sigs, glawks, m&p, etc. And I keep feeling angry idk why.

>>64153586
Shield arms 15 rounders are finicky

>>64153556
I don’t get it either, my Ruger cost half as much as my Colt and the Colt had to have the factory grips and rear sight changed out, and the trigger isn’t quite as good on the Colt in both DA and SA

>>64153595
That’s called emotional investment anon, go shoot some guns instead of looking at pictures on the internet to form some opinions that aren’t based solely on aesthetics.

>>64153593
>>64153553
Wrong pic, same gun
The gun came with a discount for the aiwb holster in the picture too. Like $40 and carries great

>>64153608
I had a p365x and I've shot my friend's hellcat. I liked the hellcat trigger better. Gave that to my sister when some niggers on my sister's block threatened to rape her. I've also shot some glock 19s. Idk why my stomach burns when thinking about anything other than a 92fs. Am I no better than an orc who can't think of anything other than an axe?

>>64153604
Which Olt is it?

>>64152934
>but any Ruger revolver you buy is going to outlast you and your grandkids.

thats every revolver. you stan ruger because you're a poorfag and you let the '>hillary hole' people live rent free in your head so now you have to cope with an SP101

>>64153644
Olt Naconda, it’s very nicely finished and well made but the stock grips only cover 3/4 of the frame, with the back sticking out proud of the grips themselves. Makes shooting .44mag more of a chore than it needs to be. Also the rear sight basically needed to be glued in place and was too narrow apertured to be that useful.

>>64153553
Loading obviously way easier. having to use double action every shot Vs a da/sa might not be super comfy for your hands. Comparably recoil will be greater than a semi auto for the same power. If you did get one I'd definitely go with some rubber grips, the softer the better.

Prototype suppressor that mounts to a radian barrel looks neat

>>64153599
The psa dagger micro mags are really good I've never had even a single issue with them

>>64153740
Looks neat but also looks like it wouldn't work worth a fuck with that little volume.

>>64153774
>wouldn't work worth a fuck with that little volume.

no worse than a 5.56 suppressor

>>64153774
I imagine since its doesn't use a booster like a traditional pistol silencer they had to make it as small at light as possible in order for it to cycle.

>>64153740
With the new additive manufacturing techniques that are taking over suppressors, much more aesthetic and pistol-matched designs should become more commonplace hopefully.

>>64153777
You can't get a 5.56 to be hearing safe without losing a shitload of velocity but that's not a problem with handguns. Making a handgun suppressor that works as shittily as a rifle suppressor is pretty fucking stupid.

>>64153791
A suppressor that doesn't suppress seems pretty worthless, no matter how it looks. And I don't buy this "140 decibels hearing safe" bullshit either, sure as hell not from something that small.

The silencerco S98 looks really cool with that quick detach system.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/31KYJj7z0iA

>>64153740
Leon is becoming reality.

I’m so close I can fucking taste it

I keep jerking the trigger...better blame my gl*ck trigger.

>>64153952
dumb question, this is a 2011 but you're using a .45 slide...? This is just how the 2011 works right? Slide and frame rail dimensions are the same?

When is s&w going to release more no-lock guns that people actually want?

>>64154039
He's building a .45 double stack.

>>64154039
Slide and rail dimensions are the same, but the 2011 has shorter rails. Barrel is the same. grip safety is the same. slide stop is the same (but more recessed into the frame so people run huge extended ones), safety and fire control group is the same. The only thing that is different is the frame, trigger bow, and the grip assembly.

>>64154048
you have a .38 blued snubnose, a 357 magnum, what else do you want?

>>64154057
wait, the EJECTOR PIN IS DIFFERENT

this slowed down my build by over a week, I had no idea the 2011 used a huge ejector pin, probably since it is a "issue" with 1911s the ejector pin breaking with race guns

>>64154057
That's a lot of stuff that is exactly the same honestly, pretty based

>>64154071
I don’t really consider it a separate firearm from the 1911, nothing about the core mechanism changes and people just found a way to make it hold more bullets

I don’t remember when the 2011 name comes around, but people called these double stacks, wide bodies, etc

>>64148755

The pther reply is roght. Quit aiming with the dot like its a scope and it clicks.

Ypure prolly shootimg carbines wrong this way too.

>>64154048
I thought S&W peddle back on that whole fiasco?

>Walther PDP
>HK VP9
>Beretta 92FS
Idk what I want my first gun (mostly range, not edc) to be but I think it'll be one of these.
>Why
Fuck if I know!

>>64154048
the only people who care about S&W locks are people who want to justify buying an SP101

Did anyone ever went shooting and the range was empty? I mean a big indoor range and it was empty, not even the range officer.

I felt weird, didn't help that the range was dim lighted.

>>64154104
I’d say the 92FS. It’s a classic and proven design.

>>64154104
The PDP and VP9 are almost the same gun but the PDP has a much better aftermarket and options so the only reason to consider a VP9 is if you are a massive H&K fanboy or you're larping as someone who carries a VP9 like a German cop or something.
If you want a range toy the PDP is still.the best because it was designed as an optics host whereas the 92FS doesn't even have an optics cut and you have to get a Langdon aftermarket cut.

>>64154104
92FS because it’s classic. DA/SA allows you to get a lot of practice with different triggers in just one gun. I find them easy to field strip and clean but going down full disassembly takes some practice (and a big plastic bag to catch springs when they go flying). The base gun “sucks” (it’s perfectly serviceable), and can be upgraded for not much money trigger wise to be completely serviceable

>>64154104
just get a 92FS and buy a wilson combat tuning kit then call it a day.

>>64154139
To be completely modern*

A tuned up 92 trigger is probably the best DA/SA trigger (the px4 has the same trigger).

>>64154147
The Langdon kit is way better and actually upgrades the reset to be 2mm-3mm. The Wilson kit Langdon worked on in like the early 2010s before he went and started his own company Langdon Tactical.

>>64154104
They're all great, don't stress over it too much. Look for deals maybe to break the tie, you'll buy more guns later and trust me your (growing) list will far exceed your means lol

>>64154106
Empty range is best range

>>64154147
The Wilson kit does almost nothing but reduce hammer weight, why suggest this? LTT kit does amazing things

>>64154104
Commit PPQ before they are all gone.
>>64154133
>consider a VP9
Another reason could mag release, as much as I hate it, there are opposite people for whom the paddle under trigger guard works better, and it's permanently ambidextrous.

>>64150335
>glock grip angle
Was designed for the Weaver stance, you're probably attempting isosceles or turtle-squaring it

>>64154104
Just remember that its your "first" gun, not your "only" gun.
Buy the one that is the cheapest and most available, the one that you can literally just walk up and get tomorrow, then worry about buying the others later.

>>64154174
is that real? or another myth surrounding glock like the horse cum farm

>>64154230
No, it's just luger grip angle

>>64154235
>luger grip angle
Steeper than a Glock's

>>64154235
Glock was a plastic mold injection businessman who ventured into selling knives for the military. This lead to creating handguns, he consulted a lot of people on how to design the handgun. this where the choice for the grip angle was made.

>>64154290
he had consulted people who had only lost wars

>>64154290
>>64154321
No, he consulted sport shooters who do only slow fire and were used to the unusual grip angle of Olympic pistols.

>>64151819
Matrix jigs and needle files, kinda winged everything based off some old US Ordinance drawings.
I still need to blend the beavertail and get a plunger tube and a few other things on the 9mm but it feeds empty unsized cases from the mag which is dope

I'm starting a new job on Monday with way better pay than I've ever made and I can't decide if I want my next gun to be a Colt Anaconda (6") or a Mossberg 590A1 9-shot version. Thoughts?

>>64154462
So the best shooters on the planet

>>64145129 (OP)
I have tritium tism. All handguns and long guns. I just had Trijicon relamp some ghost rings and pistol sights for $9.99 per vial.

>>64145608
I love P Series but I’ve bought all of mine used. That’s the way to go.

>>64146504
I was onboard until the purple playa.

>>64146942
Chad alert.

>>64154795
Magnums have the best dollar bill to fireball ratio

>>64154805
In one very small, extremely specific niche standing perfectly still at an exact known distance taking 48 seconds per shot sure. Objectively not the best shooters in the world for the type of gun he was designing, that would be competitive defensive shooting league winners from USPSA, IPSC and the like. He didn't even consult military or police, the market he was targeting.

Consulting target shooters for a military pistol would be like consulting top fuel dragster drivers on how to design a truck. They don't know a fucking thing except how to go in a straight line for a known distance.

>>64154805
retard

>>64154843
>>64154462
this explains why they're so easy to limp wrist.

I really like my bodyguard 2.0, and I hope I like my GX4 just as much after shilling it so shamelessly for the past several threads.

>>64156432
>>64156432

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