Thread 96349385

Panic (3) edition

Previous thread: >>96343301

Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books Scanned:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
Thoughts on the status system?

Is there any way to turn this disaster around and fix things?

>>96349385 (OP)
I always wondered who the guy with long hair that's almost looking at the camera was supposed to be.

>>96349399
palying games

>>96349385 (OP)
WHERE IS SHE
I DON'T SEE HER

>>96349385 (OP)
>TQ
I do like the system being more granular than just pinning/failing morale, but some status weapons have frankly absurd bonuses

>>96349385 (OP)
You know, it's worth pointing out that these Luna Wolves are gray and gold with white and black as accents just like the TCG/Visions versions.
Too bad BL covers aren't canon

>>96349413
The era of Goldship is over.

It's time for a superior horse wife to rule /hhg/.

>>96349413
Keep looking

>>96349385 (OP)
These edits are always funny

>>96349385 (OP)
It's nice that anons are finally coming around to IH supremacy

Does this game get fixed by increasing turn times and changing how points are scored? Along with deep strike fixes?

>>96349456
>coming around
Anon you say that as if they haven't been ballbusters to varying degrees since 1.0 based entirely off of their completely unchanged legion trait

>>96349470
Powergaming aside, they have the best aesthetic, lore, theme, battlecry. Gorgons are the best-looking legion specific unit or at least top 3.

>>96349399
Fix scythes ploz

>>96349399
Fuck off, Macca grease shit

Am I ever gonna need more than two Tactical Squads? Or should basically every addition from here be a variant with special weapons?

>>96349521
>Am I ever gonna need more than two Tactical Squads?
Does he know?

>>96349521
Depends, do you want to win?

>>96349526
N-no…..

are the solar auxila walkers actually viable?
is making a meme list of all walkers actually viable?

>>96349385 (OP)
lovely edit

gonna run the big flamer knight with the fear(2) aura backed by phex and other status(3) nonsense. -5 and -4 status checks bby

>>96349521
>Should I take more of the best unit in the game?

Ligma bros, do you think we'll get more armies in the coming updates? It would be great to at least the daemons and talons of the emperor, since we're leaving the xeno stuff to epic.

>>96349557
Closeted NL player spotted

>>96349401
Who is he? Just one of the many grime-streaked faces among the endless days and nights of battle.

>>96349565
No.

>>96349565
>coming updates
Bro you got a compliation book your game is dead, they're never releasing another ligma model, or probably small scale at all given they've been burned 3 times trying

>>96349497
>Yeah you wouldn't want an assasin to be able to kill models, that would be dumb.
no anon assassins can kill things, but Traitor only options have to suffer the traitor tax.
Rules are rules.

>>96349437
Black libray covers are the closest thing to them being canon

>>96349456

> Legion strength: 1/5
> Biological limbs: 1/4
> Living Primarchs: 0/1
> Overall rating: X/X
> Moons in orbit above Bodt: 0/1

Fuck yeah Iron Hands

>>96349456
I am on sneak from my gaming group putting together a IH jetbike and fast tech list. As much grav and volkite and melta as I can put on jetbikes, speeders and fast tanks as possible as well as a couple of key dick kicking IH units..

What are you all working on? post WIP and Models anons.

I am working on more BA instead of my SA for an event because my demand avoidance is off chops.

/hhg/ is this true?

>>96349714
>>96349721
I love their "fuck it, crashing this heresy with no survivors" attitude. Forbidden robo-zombie tech? Fuck it, we're using it. Soul-eating tanks? Get in here? What's that? Ferrus was against all of this? Fuck him, actually he was weak. Hold my beer while I crash this moon into the WE

>>96349742
unironically yes, but it has nothing to do with gender politics

>>96349399
No

>>96349565
More supplements and units are coming and so are custodes eventually, anything more than that is up in the air. Xenos are never coming and we're better off for that.

>>96349754
this. troons always projecting, but I guess if you want a faction that's about not being biologically yourself that's the one

>>96349742
Transhumanism is the philosophical movement of escaping the restraints of our frail human bodies with science. Look at how mech HQs in all 3 editions do in melee and you will have your answer.

>>96349547
The Walkers are perfectly viable to run but they're also the most dollar expensive army build in the faction. Proxy or buy recasts if you don't want to spend like, 2 dollars per point.

The Hermes can be run as a long range suppression machine with the scatter laser or outflank with the grenade launchers and shoot tanks in the ass.

The Incursus is basically a Thallax with a Volkite Caliver and Inexorable. You can buy it a heavy flamer for 3 ppm if you want to use it to take objectives instead of hold them.

The Aethon can either be run with a flamethrower and rocket pods to status spam or be given 4 Hunterkillers and a melta lance to go tank hunting, they're the only war machine you can deploy in units of 1 to 3 but you want to always take 2 man squads.

Hermes pathfinders are a HQ choice which give all your other sentinels Firestorm, essentially doubling their firepower at close range. Sadly they're very squishy so you want to outflank them.

Recon cohorts let cavalry control objectives so you can actually try playing the mission and also let your sentinels evade as if they were I5 which let's them get closer somewhat safely.

>>96349808
This displeases him anon

>>96349742
>Trans goes to the transhumanist faction
>Forced to speak in binary
There is no escaping the rotting cage of bio-matter he calls "ass"

>>96349804
Guess so. By the time a Lacryemarta is knowledgeable enough to replace a Y chromosome with an X, it probably has bigger responsibilities to attend to. In it for the HRT, busy with making Thralls explode and assembling them back together

Has new recute updated? Also are the new boxes limited?

>>96349742
+++ WE'LL PISS ANYWHERE WE DON'T CARE +++

>>96349885
Hive Nobles would be more likely to go for sex change ops than mechanicum adepts IMO. Though many in the Mechanicum would absolutely use Neo Pronouns to distance themselves further from their humanity.

>I identify as the bastard offspring of a spider and a forklift. You WILL call me Prime Hermetician or I'll loosen the bolts on the doors to your office so the next time you close them you get locked inside.

>>96349742

Thousand Sons is the better trans allegory due to the flesh change curse.

>>96349975
And Nikea . . . hmn . . .

This thread has be thoroughly ruined already.

How are fliers in 3.0 (besides the Arvus)?

Pretty sure past a certain point, admech just stop stop caring about gender and similar stuff. "What's in my pants? I can't remember, I replaced it with a leviathan siege drill decades ago"

>>96349975
what about the Space Wolves and the whole wulfen thing

>>96349983
:^)

>>96349985
Yeah, thats what I mean, our modern conception of gender would be completely irrelevant to your average adept who was probably grown in a Jar Brave New World style. They just wouldn't bother thinking about it unless they're Lacrymaerta who would only understand enough about gender to segregate the proles according to it.

>>96349984
Transport fliers are basically charging from deepstrike. Combat fliers with missiles are pretty safe and interceptors are the best way to shoot down enemy fliers.

Combat fliers without missiles kinda need stable to be good.

>>96349992
>furries vs trannies: no matter who wins, the Imperium loses

>>96349565
>he thinks ligma is going to last another year of support
lol

Best legion for a new player??

Could someone post the journal tactica mission?

>>96350043
Death Guard

>>96350046
It's literally free in the downloads section of warhammer community

Is the fireraptor now a suppressive machine?
It can pretty easily suppress 3 separate units per turn, which seems pretty crazy.

>>96349502
This

>>96350043
Ultramarines.

>>96350069
That's the same one as the one in the book? I thought it was different

>>96349740
What colors do you use for red on you bangels? Love the snippy claws on the contemptor

>>96349975
Yes the hubris too.

>>96350043
1) Do you have ANY models
2) Are you scared of resin
3) Can you assemble a model from miscellaneous bits without clear instructions

>>96350090
He says, while tempting Nemesis.

>>96350005
It would be completely irrelevant in the entire setting realistically. This is 30-40000 years in the future where nobody has spoken or understands modern day languages for thousands upon thousands of years and humanity has spread across billions of planets all with different cultures and subspecies of human. Nobody in Warhammer should use modern day gender or pronouns at all, the writers are just too lazy or think the readers will be too retarded to understand if they make up new languages, sexes, genders, cultures, etc. for their sci-fi setting

>>96350070
That's my plan, helps that half my army has fear.

>>96350092
1) I have an age of darkness box.
2) yes.
3) perhaps. depends.

>>96350093
Wtf is a nemesis with capital N

>>96350110
are you seriously using the term hubris without knowing Nemesis

>>96350098
Ultramarines

People seem to like the idea of veteran breachers, but since they have the heavy type, they have the same crippling inability to (easily) get into melee that catas have, and are generally squishier.
I know they can get in a rhino/pod, but the heavy subtype seems like such a huge fucking handicap for anything more than squatting on an objective.

>>96350132
Not a fan of loyalists.

>>96350194
Death Guard

>>96350119
Yes, educate me or

>>96350210
What, do you think you are better than the gods?

>>96349740
I got some spraying done today because the temperature dropped fifteen degrees so I can paint tomorrow but I'm gonna knock out for like ten hours tonight because it's so nice out.

Its kind of weird that phalanx warders are just slightly better regular breachers and not something similar to veteran breachers.
I hate IF just as much as any anon alive due to facing those stupid rerollable invulns all the time in 2nd but from what little I know of their lore it seems weird they wouldn't be made up of vets (and be WS5)
I'm definitely not complaining because all the local IF players have been clubbed to death but I just find it a weird design choice.

>>96350152
>anything more than squatting on an objective.
Thats exactly what its for; Getting shot with +1 Cool.

>>96350225
Same, but I think in 2.0 they could go up to 20 guys, right? It'd be crazy if they could still do that as VEQ, so I think this is a balance mechanics decision

>>96350221
Christ is King, repent heretic

>>96350226
Nooo :(
Also, this is the one edition where I'd like HSS (and Veteran HSS) to have the option of wearing heavy armour lmao

>>96350084
Thanks anon, here are the paints used.

>>96350266
fuckin lawnmower man over here with the skills

>>96350225
they lost their bolter and they are plain bad, outside the broken RoW and Fafnir rules warders were pretty meh. I am going to use them as veteran breachers

Can we not mention 2.0 anymore please it makes me have panic attacks

>>96350278
Two-point-blow me

Oh my god what am i gonna do? Horus chose me to lead the revolution.

>>96350286
Do your best, Anon!

>>96350225
Youre just thrown off by how hard French had his mouth wrapped around IF's cock last edition. Theyre still a reasonable unit.

2.0 was ruined by everything fieldable being WS5.

>>96350293
Ok Horus, im going to bat for you Horus. I got your back.

>>96350299
Oh wait is this like a sex thing?

>>96350194
Ultramarines (Traitor)

Stupid, sexy Konrad.

>>96350286
>Horus Lupercal needs me?
>...okay. I'm going bad for you, Warmaster

>>96350317
He got put into a self defence situation

>>96350043
>>96350098
>>96350194
Iron Warriors.

>>96350328
Dude my anchestors were on Istvaan 3

"Well i probably wouldve protected them."

>>96350326
I actually jacked off a while ago, and I don't feel like he's sexy or anything, he's just crazy. Don't feel like femarchs or femstodes either. Though the better step would be to not need to pay the cum tax for mental sanity, to be honest

>>96350225
once again, the reroll invul was literally worse protection than the armour save

>>96350326
was he the worst of the incels?

>>96350326
Still not sure if Curze or Fulgrim is the most handsome

New player here. Collected some minis, played some small scale games as Alpha Legion. Want to do air assault company (idea of fast deploying/rotating units in and out of fray gets me fired) and don't know how to build it except getting some storm eagles. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Do Iron warriors have any strengths

>>96350365
They're really good at recruiting

>>96350365
They have iron within

>>96350365
Weaponized autism and big guns.

>>96350365
sorry, iron fists. Forget their name for a sec.

>>96350374
when did Perturbator get the nails?

>>96350354
I think Fulgrim is the fairest one. Sanguinius is even more beautiful, but he's literally an angel, so he's technically outside the scale.
It's like saying which primarch is the reddest one, and expecting anyone to have a chance against Magnus

>>96350374
I can't believe someone got paid to make that art. I am not an artist, but it looks silly and it makes no sense

>>96350345
A 3+ is worse than a rerollable 4++.
1/3 chance of failure vs 1/4

>>96350380
hims sister tooks him to the salon and gots them dones

>>96350383
Im more talking about personal taste.

>>96350345
>>96350393

Don't mess with heresy players, we don't understand basic math

>>96350400
Idk but the game doesn't understand basic math for me either
>Need to make ten 3+ saves
>Fail six of them

>>96350094
That's not allowed anymore anon. Sci-fi isn't about imagining something different, it's about dressing up your Current Year politics with robots and space elves so you can lecture people 40,000 years in the future too. Get with the times, chud.

>>96350354
curze is handsome fulgrim is beautiful

>>96350398
Then which one has the biggest tits?

>>96350375
Do you mean Iron Hands or Imperial Fists?

>>96350444
Iron hands

>>96350438
Mortarion.

>>96350444
Dark horse option: Blood Angels.

>>96350438
fulgrim probably has more means to feed his than curze who grew up starving and probably missed out on as much development

>>96350453
Yeah, he seems like a glasses-wearing big tiddy dweeb. If any primarch was Saki, it'd be him. Just wanted friends and ended up with the wrong batch but couldn't pull out of that death spiral.

can you play hh at 500 points? i remember there was zone mortalis but i dont even know if thats a thing anymore

>>96350458
>curze is perma-loli-ed
Not sure what to do with this info, but good info to have.

>>96350482
idk ask /40kg/.

>>96350482
yes, though not well.

>>96350482
New zone mortalis ruleset coming at the end of the year.

>>96350438
What >>96350458 said

>>96350500
nice. i hope circle has it in his version too.

>>96350496
I feel like there's never really going to be a good way to play at <1k points without basically making the game something completely different. The closest imo would be the victory is vengeance ruleset from book three, where each individual model is a unit (but you can still make adhoc squad from models so you don't have to run 20 tac marines individually).
>>96350482
I would recommend checking that out anon, it's pretty close to what you're asking and I've had a lot of fun with it.

>>96350478
>Just wanted friends and ended up with the wrong batch but couldn't pull out of that death spiral.
Mortarion the Liberator threw his lot in with the wrong batch ;__;

>>96350482
Yes, but full tac spam is harder to counter at such low points.

>>96350482
Can I get the blood angel spear kayak?

>>96350500
Aye remember when we got the Legacies in July? :^)

>>96350545
>make a totally cool boar-spear power weapon
>have it held the wrong way round unless you cut and reposition the blade
what were they thinking?

>>96350553
Maybe they should've jerked off before sculpting?

>>96350360
3e kinda makes this sort of list tricky anon, while you can deploy multiple flyers (unlike deepstrikers), they do their special aerial missions each time they come on, and every time the reserve roll gets progressively harder, so you can easily get cucked with some bad rolls as your flyers decide to go on smoko.

That said, it's still a cool and FUN list.
On top of stormeagles, fire raptors are very cool models, can hurt a lot of targets, and can even suppress multiple units per turn, so they can kick some major ass.

Dreadclaws and kharybdis pods are also flyers as well, although that probably more depends on the fluff you want to use.

Jetbikes and land speeders/javelins also go well with the theme, if you like em, and are strong units - jetbike command squads and such are particular potent, thanks to their insane mobility.

>>96350482
why the flying fuck did GW model the power lance like this? Bro is holding it like a fucking oar, the only time this makes sense is if you're stabbing down on some nerd on the floor, like the alpharius model.

>>96350572
Golly if only you could rotate the torsos to make a post like that

>>96350553
>>96350572
its fucking dumb. Most of mine I have just removed the hands and repositioned it to hold it in a sane way, although its probably more practical just to get grey knight box sets for the polearms and use those instead - the power lance is a one handed weapon (or is meant to be, since you're using it with a shield/pistol) so the big beefy spear design doesn't actually make that much sense.

>>96350577
The pose is bad because you can only position it in a single way that makes sense for a model that has arms instead of tentacles. I don't want a bunch of identical clone nerds with spears.

The hammer does not have this issue despite being 2 handed, because its actually the right way around.

>>96350581
I think its actually appropriate. Hes not going to thrust it hes probably going to use it in a motion to thrust down. Like how you hunt fishes or fight off people climbing walls.

>>96350592
Its a weapon of war - whether its a spear or a lance, the vast majority of the time you holding the spear pointing towards the enemy so you can thrust, that is that primary purpose of a pointy stick throughout human history, unless you're throwing it.

>>96350572
It’s dumb but I imagine it’s a guy going for a rolling dick-slice, yeah he’s gonna do a kinda reverse-oar motion but it’s also gonna slice you literally up the middle of yourself. Impractical, but a lot of them are

>>96350592
The model needs some height in order to do that convincingly

>>96350615
>>96350592
>>96350572
I am 99% sure whoever made it just saw the alpharius model, thought it was cool, and made it the same, without any thought beyond that.

>>96350550
July 35th

Honestly it's silly but I'm having fun, which feels like the essence of Saturnine

>>96350515

From what I remember, ViV was surprisingly solid. Played a few games and it was definitely one of the more entertaining skirmish rulesets I've tried, although the way the Ad Hoc Squads worked sometimes incentivised splitting every model up anyway to ensure casualties from individual attacks/charges were limited. Improvise some kind of rule mandating minimum fireteam sizes with certain numbers of models and you are basically good, since you can mix model types in ad hoc squads. I've considered trying to adapt it to 3.0, but 3.0 listbuilding seems rather less suited to it.

It helped that it was HH1e without artillery spam, Primarchstars, late-book legion rules creep or monstrous creature mash, which went a long way towards attenuating the worst flaws of that one. About the heaviest models you could cram in were Terminator, Gal Vorbak or Myrmidon sarges, and you'd only get one of those.

>>96350641
The kit is so good it's just the actual model is dumb.
With the way the power plant sits so high on the back I kinda want to try a giant jump pack version next.

>>96350609
I imagine it’s more, since he’s wearing a jump pack, the position to ready a downwards thrust when he’s in the air. The issue being the pose has him still on the ground, so it looks silly.

>>96350641
Did you make the arms longer? Something looks off. Either way, over time I've come to dislike hte conversions without the shoulders. Give me pauldrons or give me death, if I wanted twinks I'd play Eldar

>>96350656
Old daemon prince arms, I just haven't gotten to the shoulder pads yet (which now that I think about it might cause problems with the one with the sword...)

>>96350663
a bigass skull (Like the AoS ork warboss) might be a suitable replacement that won't get in the way of the sword

How big are Charonite claws? Would they be too small to put on a Contemptor?

Why would an Infocyte Assassin need these milkers?

>>96350689
Those are communication buffers anon.

>>96350689
Why wouldn't she?

>>96350567

>Reserve roll gets progressively harder
Thought about it. Decided to use master of signals or two. It should prolong high probability of deploying troops onto field.

>Dreadclaws and kharybdis pods
They look good statwise, but I don't like those models at all.

>Jetbikes and land speeders/javelins
Noted. Haven't thought of them at first.

My concern is that I dont know how to properly balance theme and playability of roster (Don't care about meta. Just want it to be able to score and do damage to something tougher than a basic legionary). Not much experience in that field. And with limitations of a new roster building mechanic I cant decide between what I want and what is needed on table.

Right now the plan is to put seekers with masters of signals to hold until reinforcements arrive. After this initial thought - my head goes blank and I don't know what to do.

>>96350689
the real question is why doesn't she have bigger ones

>>96350567
Imagine you have 2 Dreadclaws. I'm not sure if they can roll to come in turn 1, so let's say they drop their cargo turn 2 and fuck off.
Then one of my units gets a status effect, so I declare an Extraction mission for Dreadclaw A.
Am I forced to also declare an Extraction for Claw B? It's not like it can strike or strafe otherwise; it has no guns! And I don't have any other unit left to Deploy.
Say Claw A successfully extracted the unit, and it along with Claw B are in air reserves.
Can I declare a Deploy mission for both claws? And if Claw A doesn't make it, then I take its cargo and now try to make Claw B deliver it?

>>96350713
Aerial Reserves can only be affected by rules that specifically reference Aerial Reserves (page 224). A Master of Signal can only modify normal Reserves rolls sadly.

>>96350758
Damn. That sounded so good on paper.

>>96350592
He's holding that spear like the Deathshroud should hold their scythes lol (scythes suck ;__;)

>>96350758
>Master of Signal can only modify normal Reserves rolls
Booo boo GW booo

>>96350758

I'm not sure we have a single rule that specifically buffs Aerial Reserves yet. I could very well have missed one, but I don't recall one in the Marine or Solar Auxilia books, and Mech don't even have any Flyers proper.

How many tactical squads would be typical for a 2-3k point list?

>Two leviathan claws gives you +1 attack
>Two leviathan drills gives you +1 damage instead
wat

>>96350765
But still. It's 2+, aerial reserves can be deployed since first turn, and since second turn you can choose any side of table for deployment (as said in FAQ). Not that bad even without modifications.

>>96350755
>Am I forced to also declare an Extraction for Claw B
No. They're separate units, each can do whatever they want separately. They can both do the same mission, or different missions, they have no impact on each other what so ever.

>>96350713
The flyers can fit any kind of infantry (other than satty's), so the world's your oyster anon.

Generally though, you'll want a respectable amount of line units to actually win the game, then some beefier/killy vanguard units to clear objectives, and beat up the opponent's killy units before they can get your line lads.

The list building is super permissive in 3e, honestly don't even worry about the detatchment system, just decide what units you actually like/want to bring, then figure out how to make it fit a legal list afterwards. You will either be completely fine, or at worst need to bring an extra centurion or something.

>>96350766
>+5 points to have a power axe with reaping blow 2

Power scythes are fine. But I have come to realise DGfags are not satisfied unless power scythes hit harder than a warlord titan's power claw. And at least more deadly than thunder hammers.

>>96350793
anon don't even try and make sense out of GW weapon design in 3e. Fucking nothing makes any sense. Just look at all the 'twin' weapons and how half of them just do random shit while the other half give double attacks, with no rhyme or reason.

>>96350798
aerial reserves starts at 3+, and gets worse from there. Honestly its dangerously unreliable.

>>96350804
I mean, NTA, but space wolves get to have thunder hammers with reaping blow (2) for +5 points over a hammer

>>96350802
I know they're separate units, so they can declare whatever. Problem is, they are obligated to declare something. But Dreadclaws have no weapons, and you may have nothing for them to transport.
Is there a way to simply not use them that turn? All you'll achieve is increase the reserve target number for when you do need it

>>96350802
>World's your oyster anon
Thx for answers. Gave me some food for thought. Hope I'll think something out before I'll have to sell my second kidney.

>>96350832
Those have reaping blow 1. And can only be taken by command and champion models.
The power scythe can also be taken by sergeant and specialist models.

But yes, you're proving my point. The complaints are always about power scythes not being better than thunder hammers.

>>96350804
>+5 pts over an axe
Try +10. Or +5 over a fist, which means it's literally more expensive than a Thunder Hammer. It is a conditional A+2 axe that COSTS MORE THAN A THUNDER HAMMER.
Fuck your falsehoods, man. You say it like wanting a legion blade to be okay was a crime, and try to gaslight me into accepting garbage.

>>96350836
You have to roll for reserves each turn, HOWEVER if you succeed on the roll you don't have to deploy the unit unless you want to. Page 242

>>96350836
As far as I can tell, your options is either roll for reserves, OR simply remove the model from the game (but it can never come back, but can't die and give up VP either).

But yeah, an aerial list's weakness is there are no good/cheap small transports, and the dreadclaw literally does nothing of value other than moving people around, which it can't even do reliably.

You know, unironically the thunderhawk transporter is actually a useful model in 3e. You can carry more than 40 dudes in it, including rhinos, and since its a super heavy you can have multiple smaller units inside.
With no way of modifying aerial reserve rolls, loading everyone in the one party bus also means you can reliably get them all deployed at the same time as well.

Good luck getting the model short of 3d printing though.

>>96350836
They can just declare a strike mission. Doesn't say the model HAS to shoot with something in order to declare it, only that it MAY shoot weapons during it.

>>96350856
Fuck your lies. It's not about scythes being better than thunder hammers.
It is about scythes being worse than thunder hammers, whilst simultaneously being more expensive than them. And then you ask "but did you ever say thank you?"

>>96350862
>>96350874
Keep seething, lmao

Is it worth getting these (from China) or kitbash my own with the heads?

>>96350864
oh shit, I missed that part, nice anon.

>>96350852
No worries anon. The main difficulty you will have, is getting the volume of units onto the board (assuming you're trying to keep most of them air deployed). That's why I suggested jetbikes/speeders, since they dont need transports but stay true to the theme, at least in my opinion.

Also even though the MOS doesn't help your aeriel reserve rolls, being able to switch a random unit to line or vanguard is actually very strong.
Note that this ability is NOT limited to infantry, so its entirely valid to plop a contemptor out of a dreadclaw (or a murderball like praetorian jetbike squad), then give it vanguard to clear an objective/give it line to TAKE an objective.

>>96350891
The skin gloves look like shit

>>96350891
Cheaper to get from China if you don't mind working with resin.
Could be kitbashed with some plastic assault marines/chaos raptors easily enough. But GW plastics are more expensive than recasts.

>>96350889
>This thing is wrong, and that's bad
>Lol he angry
Yeah! Must I be happy about bad stuff? I'm not some Buddhist monk or whatever

>>96350789
eight or nine

>>96350689
lure you closer to that Iron Warrior's buttplugs

>>96350572
>bro you can't just stab someone in the legs before they get close bro

Spent most of yesterday hopped up on painkillers from a root canal treatment and I think I might have gone slightly mad while working on my MoS, now that I look at it after a night's rest.

are there any iron fist dedicated youtubers for 30k

>>96350957
>Hmm, which communication devices to give to this model?
>Yes.

>>96350957
Woah that's proper Blanchitsu, well done anon. Didn't know MoS could take terminator armour

>>96350957
I like it anon but that radar dish is horrendous. Imagine him in the rain, a steady stream constantly dripping in front of his face because of the parabola. Even just putting it a bit further back would be fine but right now it looks hilarious.
I love the rest though, good job anon

>>96350944
Thanks for the pic

>>96350976
Another anon made it, I just saved it because the pic has a certain vibe to it.

>>96350971
They can't, but tartaros is easier to equate to artificer than cataphractii is (moves the same distance, has the same invuln. Termies get more health and toughness but that could be excused away by the armor being so burdened by the comms

>>96350891
It depends what is your army composition. If you own newer plastic models then those here will be smaller and look meh. If you build with older models than fine. I have pretty much kitbashed mine from new mk6. A saw, some green stuff, chains and skulls, bought some 3d printed chainglaives and jump packs, used terror squad heads and for my they look great. Check the latest wip (will probably switch the empty hand with something else). It's more work and more money, but it's worth.

>>96350971
They can't officially, but we house-ruled that away since we're sticking with 2nd edition anyway. Here's a few other illegal terminator consuls – a (very early) Castellan, a Praevian and an Armistos.

>>96350972
I'll try to finagle the thing out of there without breaking the rest of the stuff and give your suggestion a go.

>>96350957
what's his ping in fortnite tho?

What's the best place for getting recasts? Price doesn't matter nor does delivery time, I'm all about the quality.

>>96351029
closed groups.
Open invites just gets them shutdown by GW, so you gotta start making friends anon.

Can I use any of these heads in Horus Heresy, or are they all haram?

>>96351079
1 and 3 in the top row are slightly dubious, 5 top and 4 bottom are a no-go. The rest is halal.

>>96349502
I always loved both the DG Terminator models, but my brother in christ are they dinky now

>>96351027
Bad because wifi

Thinking about starting SA after I've finished the last couple of models for my IW. Are there some good resources for me to decide on a Cohort? I could do them as Selucid Thorakites, but I've done an awful lot of that IW scheme over the last year and a half

>>96349740
Painted up a Rhino for my Sons of Horus today. Was initially going to complete my World Eaters this edition but when I was moving a bunch of my printed resin bits broke and a model got lost so that took the wind out of my sails like a motherfucker.
So fuck it. New edition new army

>>96351087
How so?

>>96349749
I'm glad Guymer wrote them still balls to the walls hard as fuck 10k years later in their book.
Shale the series ended on a cliffhanger due to not getting a 3rd book.

>>96350891
those are 0/10 visually. They're not gross or scary, they look like mentally retarded theater kids doing a rendition of CATS dance choreography with a boombox on their shoulders.

You're better off making your own / 3d printed accessory parts / 40k nightlords raptor squad that was announced and small conversions.

do people play zone mortalis anymore?

>>96350891
Theyre probably the worst posed kit ever made.

>>96351268
Give it the Assault unit mark.

>>96351324
Wait... SoH were the jews all along?

>>96351327
Everyone is a jew.

>>96351317
The poses are wretched, yeah, but the opera gloves are the worst part.

Are Baneblades (& extended family) good yet?

>>96351079
these three are very distinctly mk. X phobos armor, so avoid those. the robo skull head should be fine for an IW character, but I don't think I'd use it for any other legion. the bare heads are just bare heads, so shouldn't be a problem. the bottom three are basically just gas masks, so I think you could get away with those. you could maybe fill in the slits on the face plate things on the two on the left to make it read less as primaris, but so long as you paint it as generic gear (black/metallic/whatever) instead of part of their armor, I think you should be fine.

I don't really think any of those bits look particularly good though, so I'm not sure why you want to use them.

Saw this, figured you might like it.

>>96351408
Because I like them.

>>96350689
They're the worst assassin in combat so they need some way of distracting people who get close long enough to reach for their guns.

>>96351302
yeah a lot in 2.0. hosted a ZM event in Feb

>>96351437

Infocytes are kind of a weird counterpick to a thing that's probably not a big deal anymore, so, the model is probably cool... but ruleswise they're only useful if you opponent has decided to go heavily into either air units (which are IRL expensive and not many people will do) or Deep Strike Spam (which is effectively dead ruleswise.)

Meanwhile for similar if not less points... you have an Eversor or a Callidus. Who ARE good. In almost all situations. Not AS good as the Vindicare who can sit in the edge of the board and snipe people, but he's the most expensive for a reason.

>>96351268
This is wonderful. Really nice paint job and Rogue trader era Rhino. Perfect

Anybody have scan of the reference sheet?

>>96351344
Based on my studies the true jews are Australian aboriginals, as they seem to be the only humans genuinely incapable of having any level of civilization whatsoever. The existence of Israel disproves that the "jews" are true Jews, and even a lot of sub-saharans can manage to put together basic civilizations at east some of the times.

>>96351417
You must not like primaris shit

>>96351079
A: primarisharts will hang, but you could save us the bother and KYS now if you were feeling generous
B: all of those are almost double the size of modern 30K heads, so I guess if you *like* your minis looking like bobbleheads sure they'll work great

>>96351079
You can do.what the fuck you want but I would not use that reiver head, because its very distinctive.

Are they salvageable? Spamming deathwing companions (a fucking retinue of all things) is incredibly lame. Realistically, what could be added in a journal tactica to bring them up from being by far the weakest legion

If Dark Angels are the Legion sent to totally eradicate someone, then shouldn’t they be the disintegrator-friendly Legion? Why are they the plasma Legion?

>>96351465
Hmm. Bringing 3 Eversor sounds like it would be pretty funny. At the very least it would give the marines something to think about turn 1 so my aux don't get immediately murdered by Rhino rush despoilers.

>>96351545
Because disintegrator weapons weren't available as a kit option outside of the Imperial Space Marine release until 2025.

>>96351538
Generally, what DA desperately need is a better playerbase.

>>96351557
This so much. Their 3.0 rules sucking ass is a blessing in disguise, as it will most likely make most DAfags quit playing, especially the problematic ones.

>>96351503
Lmao that's hilarious man

>>96351538
>Dark Angels support Ukraine
Based.

>>96351557
Because they're complaining about their 3.0 rules?

>>96351538
The first are balanced entirely around being able to spam prime slots better than anyone. Thats not currently a valid substitute for a legion trait but if the journal tactica continues to release prime buffs locked to specific unit types like the interdiction cadre it could become one eventually.

Alternatively if the fallen get their own legion trait and its actually good traitor DA could quickly become crazy.

When you pay for Phospex on Launchers, can you swap ammo types over to all of the available ones or are you just paying for an upgrade like on a tank's main weapon? Can't find anything in the rulebook

>>96351569
Yeah I know that calling aboriginals humans is a stretch.

>>96351545
>>96351554
With Disintegrators out GW is never going to put any esoteric archeotech on a miniature apart from the occasional pistol or gadget, so an entire unit wielding it is out of the question, especially when you consider the shrimplification of rules and sprue designs.

Best bet is to homebrew rules and 3d design whatever you want yourself.

>>96351545

How come nobody tried to shoot a Primarch with a disintegrator weapon?

>>96351642
Because they're wearing armour that negates the majority of all firearms.

>>96351079
Why would someone ruin their models with those is beyond me.

>>96351658
People are different, anon. It's high time you learned this. Some people like listening to Limp Bizkit. Others like ricotta cheese in their lasagna. Some smoke cigarettes.

>>96351682
I think there is a point where aesthetics stop being subjective and starts being objective. Those heads are well past that point into being objectively ugly. Finding someone liking them is like finding the 1/8th of dentists that didn't recommend the toothpaste from an ad.

>>96351412

Why are Praetors so fat after 2nd ed?

>>96351749
Too many gene-seeds.

>>96351749
Same reason you won't see many thin resin marines anymore. They ate them.

>>96351734
>objectively
>according to me
I mean, there's a word for that. Subjective.

>>96351762
Subjectively objective.

Tbh bare primaris heads with no rebreathers are fine, but any kind of primaris design choice such as rounded ear covers (and almost every single helmet barring a few distinct exceptions) are just no bueno. The pic didn't show any actual helmeted heads and I have to assume that's deliberate, since you'd have to be a contrarian or just a troll if you actively chose those helmets for HH.

>>96351776
Ngl, I probably wouldn't spot a primaris round ear mufflers from tabletop distance.

Then again my eyesight is dog shit...

>>96351642
Primarchs are powered by warp bullshit. You wanna kill them use a vortex grenade

How the fuck do you put a melta bomb on a model without it looking awkwardly tacked on?

>>96351908
On the ass, laterally, as it is supposed to be

>>96351762
Whenever I say something its objective.

>>96351944
I did do that once with an assault sergeant and it came out pretty good but I was just wondering if there was any other method.

>>96351749
Because the use a primaries model as the base

>>96351944
Don't suppose that'll work on Auxilia. I want to give all my sargents melta bombs for the Jager reaction meme.

Are there any stories about traitor UM during the heresy?

>>96352039
None as far as I'm aware. And I'm very aware.

>>96352039
Not that I'm aware of, That said the UM were the second largest legion and were spread out across the galaxy so there is a lot of room for rogue elements.

militia this week or next week right?

>>96352039
Welp, there was traitor chaplain in Calth war series. He was killed by Ventanus

Fucking about with SA for the first time, not set on *anything* currently, but wanted to play about with the army on NR. Thoughts on deconstructing what's wrong with this list and why? The Stormhammer is actually a Baneblade, and have costed it to represent that.

Are thousand sons a bad faction pick for a new player? Especially if I think Know No Fear is a better novel than A Thousand Sons?

>>96352039
There's an entire series about Big Bobby G making his own Imperium but gayer.

>>96351546

>OOPS. ALL EVERSORS!

>>96352149

Bet he kind of regrets not following through on that ten thousand years later.

>>96352146
They're kinda shit in 2nd edition and monstrous in 3rd. kinda tricky to keep track of all the psychic powers, but otherwise straightforward.
Know no Fear is better than ~95% of all HH books, so that's hardly a unique opinion.

>>96352075
Anyone?

>>96350689
Data is stored in the boobs.

>>96350793
Yea, its the same for contemptor chainfists. Drills are a weapon meant for wrecking singular big things, claws are for general combat. Drills get a bigger proportional damage boost, but not a DPS upgrade vs smaller targets.

>>96351749
they're just big boned
>5'11 vs 6'0

>>96352039
anon the only traitor element from a loyalist legion that has a story about them are the WS in one of the Garro books. There are mentions of Traitor elements in loyalist legions scattered across the rulebooks but nothing substantial. Remember that the BL team as a whole is staunchly pro Emps.

How big are custodes weapons? Is having them used by marines viable?

>>96350813
>. Just look at all the 'twin' weapons and how half of them just do random shit
Its either "more shots" or "damage increase with the same number of shots"

>>96352221
>Remember that the BL team as a whole is staunchly pro Emps.
Biggest lie i ever heard here. There literally only two really pro emps authors - Kyme and French. Others either in between or on Chaos team. Ffs, Bowden is lead narrative and he is biggest chaos wanker

>>96352075
I know you haven't settled on anything yet but you'll want to know which cohort your bringing at least, its important for list building.

Give all the command russes Flare shields. Flareshielded AV14 might as well be AV15 in 3.0, you're basically immune to S8 anti tank which includes a lot of melta guns and you're also practically immune to lascannons and other S9 anti tank too.

Only real threats to you then are things like demolishers or laser destroyers and you REALLY want your command tanks alive as long as possible.

Replace the battlecanon russes with battlecannon Malcadors, 40 extra points gets you 7 HP instead of 6 which is huge when most anti tank is D2, D3 or D6. It essentially means you survive an extra penetrating hit against most things.

In addition to this you get 2 extra multilasers and all your weapons can fire at different targets, meaning you can suppress 3 different infantry units in addition to pinning one with the battlecannon.

Take Hunterkillers on anything you plan to shoot at a tank, take 2 on each draco and 1 on every Annihilator or Vanquisher russ.

Macro Sakers are kinda bad now, take the executioner instead if you want an assault russ, its one of the only plasma guns that got better in 3.0 instead of worse.

Hermes Sentinels of any type want to be in units of at least 3 but GW are Jews and sell them only in boxes of 2. The veletaris Sentinels also would probably prefer to stick to calivers since they don't want to be close enough to use their flamers.

Always take max unit size on your command sections, your commanders need as many ablative wounds as they can get.

The lasrifles should always be run with vexila and vox but otherwise be naked, any other upgrades are purely for fun.

The baneblade is based. No notes there.

do people get pissed about mars pattern Rhinos and Predators?

>>96352262
>Biggest lie i ever heard here.
lol

>>96352262
Pro Emps is pro failure and pro chaos is essentially giving up. The big E had a plan that would have worked but its dead in the water now thanks to Mr nothing wrong.

>>96352287
Thanks for your time and input anon, truly appreciated. I've only got something like 70pts left, so to take/upgrade anything, I'll need to drop some stuff. I'll have a play about with what I've written so far. Maybe I drop the Velataris stuff down a bit or lose a tank?

I love Sigismund so much bros

dooming about my local.
how has everyone been doing? is anyone able to find games? is fun being had somewhere in the world?

>>96352075
Besides what anon >>96352287 said, consider upgrading your HB in your command tanks to autocannons. Your Veletaris command are missing a ride and might struggle to keep your storm sections in range of his bubble. You can also consider mounting multilasers on your Dracosans since it is a defensive weapons it can shoot at different targets without being snap shots and the demolisher doesnt really care about any penalties for split fire. The multilaser will help pin down the target of the storm sections.

>>96352289
Not if properly painted.

>>96352287
Dropped a Russ, not sure whether it was worth it to get 2 Malcadors in or not, but it's all theory right now. One of the CHOOM tanks is now an Executioner. Vox and Vexilla added to the Las sections, Velataris Command expanded to 10 (they've got no transport or anything currently), lost the Sentinels.

50 Pts left. I can technically afford HK missiles now, but I'm wondering whether the Malcadors want more upgrades on them?

>>96352330
If my math is right you should be able to drop one of the Volkite russes and both of the sentinels to make the changes to the list I recommended, though you won't be able to get hunter killers.

Also just realised you dont have a command vox on your veletaris squad. Without that your vox interlocks do literally nothing so don't forget that in the future.

One final thing, if you don't mind fliers you might want to take an Arvus for your Command section. That way you can start with your command squad off the board so they don't get vapourised by a single Scorpius.

>>96352262
>Biggest lie i ever heard here. There literally only two really pro emps authors - Kyme and French.

>>96352371
Hmm, tell you what, sorry to confuse you but it might be better to drop the executioner for another twin las russ and try to squeeze in an Arvus for the command squad, if you don't have the points drop bodies from the command squad until you do, like >>96352354 says they can't keep up otherwise.

how is it so good wtf

>>96352289
Do you know that deimos rhinos and predators are now sold in plastic and are cheaper than the 40k mars versions?
It's not 2012 anymore

>>96352371
I would try to find the points for dozer blades for the Dracosans, with the new terrain rules and their huge foot print, it makes it a lot easier to get your Veletaris where they need to be. Also, I personally think that not having axes in Veletaris is a miss, both thematic and as a countercharge opportunist unit for shoring up any mid field melee units.

>>96352412
>David Annandale
>good writing

WHAT?

>>96352346
Lately I have been venturing out of my area with some friends to check if the other clubs are still alive but so far it seems in a 100km radius the public clubs seems to have up and died. I'd drive for half an hour to some far away club marked as open on google maps but when I get there it's closed down if it still exists.

Between warhammer outside of fantasy never being popular here and the fact that most HH players I know have slowed down their collecting and playing to focus on their life it seems 2.0 was the final nail in the coffin for those still playing. New players from 2.0 and 3.0 don't seem to exist either, not even in LGS that stock 40k and AoS and it's not helped in the slightest by most stores offering no discounts. I have been playing with my club but it's summer so most of them are on holiday with their family/SO so nothing of note is really happening. I think we're still having fun between 1.0 and epic armageddon with homebrews.

>>96352378
>>96352396
>>96352432
Cheers anons. I'll fiddle about for a while longer. As I said before, nothing's set in stone, I just want to get a sense of what I could do with an SA force. And have an excuse to finally have a Baneblade in my collection.

>>96352432
CHOOM Sections don't get enough respect. A 20 man squad jumping out of a dracosan kills 8 MEQs in the shooting phase then kills another 4 during volley fire in the charge phase. They'll actually kill more MEQs than an axe section of the same size they just bounce off of TEQ and VEQ.

>>96352289
Not as long as you don't use the mk7 crew
Mars pattern stuff was around during the geresy

>>96350553
>>96350572
It's overhand for stabbing over shields, or down into neck joints. They're fighting other marines. Hoplites used it.

>>96349562
As they should be. They’re the legions, not the group of elite best friends

>>96352579
Hoplites also usually has shields themselves.

>>96352262
>entire narrative is Chaos is bad, Horus is wrong, the rebellion is killing the IoM, and Emps has to win to so Humanity can survive.
The only instances of Emps is bad are snippets from the blacks books and Renyolds with his WB wank which is more focused on giving background info for the merry band of the 34th.
The critiques and arguments levied against Emps are that his methods were wrong, extremely heavy handed, but ultimately that he has to win because everything goes to shit/dies if he doesn't.
Just because the support is given begrudgingly doesn't mean it's non existent. The closest thing given to Pro Horus sentiment in any detail is the correct assumption that Marines would be better administrator for the governance as seen by Ultramar and that the IoM is killing of the local way of life by the separatist on Caliban. Anything else revolving around the Horus/Emps debate Is butthurt from traitor Primarchs or "Chaos is aids" from the Khan.

>>96352587
Hoplites also weren't in enclosed power armor. Combat shields and breachers exist too.

>>96352631
But for some fucking reason the only power spear model is 2 handed so if you want a power spear + shield squad you're still buggered and have to convert. This is not a problem for swords, axes or mauls its only spears.

>>96352647
NTA, but getting 1 handed Heresy scale spears off of etsy or whatever is fairly straightforward

>>96352608
This, The Emperor is a Tyrant and a prick, well intentioned he might be he's still horrible.

Horus just decided to align his interests with even more horrible people because the rebellion has nothing to do with actually making things better, its a bitch fit thrown by post human man children because they're not allowed it make things EVEN WORSE.

Finally sat down to build a proper Mechanicum list and my first impression is that the Mech detachments are rather lopsided, especially the apexes.

The Lacarymaerta apex is +1W and +2S to a couple of dozen cheap, choppy power armour blenders, so now they can lightning claw rhinos to death and dismantle vet squads through their WS5. The Macrocarid Apex is +2HP and +1 front/side armour to six tanks, so now you have 135pt krios tanks with 14/13/10 7HP.

In comparison the Reductor ones get you +1LD 5++ Thallax, the Myrmidon one gets you... more stock Myrmidons and the Cybernetica one gets you some Paragons of Metal, which are nice but not all that, especially compared to +27 wounds or +12HP for free plus other upgrades.

>>96352677
Mechanicum listbuilding is fundamentally retarded. They'll never be allowed any more prime slots because some of their Prime upgrades are blatantly overpowered so they're locked out of that system outside of their single apex detachment.

>>96352693
DESU they dont need it because they are already super fucking good as is.

>>96352666
Etsy is overbaked, poorly supported, and poorly removed from said supports.

>>96352698
Things can be good and still be retarded.

>>96352705
well duh, they would be retardedly good.

>>96352693
>They'll never be allowed any more prime slots because some of their Prime upgrades are blatantly overpowered so they're locked out of that system outside of their single apex detachment.
And? That seems like a perfectly fine trade-off. They get very limited access to prime slots but have very powerful benefits for the things that do fill those slots.

So say for the sake of argument that I bought a bunch of thousand sons bits...and now I'm not sure i want to play them. What do?

I'm going to skin you alive

>>96352719
They're astartes, you can play any way you want so long as youre not spamming breaching corvidae.

>>96352457
Honestly, Annandale books on Crowe and his Lemartes novella are fucking great. Definitely recommended.
Props to him for writing Slaanesh as the god of EXCESS and not the usual sex drugs and rock'n'roll. His characterisation of Crowe is also a high note. Not an easy feat when he was basically THE Mary Sue, purer than you.

And I say this as someone who read Damnation of Pythos as my first HH book.

>>96352719
That better be a fucking joke and not you again anon

>>96352725
Yeah, but like, you know, they barely participated in the heresy. So fitting them into narrative campaigns seems hard in that context. Also their scheme seems bad for weathering, which is something I want to practice more

Anons please stop biting
It's all so tiresome

>>96352693
>Mechanicum listbuilding is fundamentally retarded. They'll never be allowed any more necromancers because some of their spells are blatantly overpowered so they're locked out of that system outside of their single apex detachment.

>>96352731
They just kinda fucked around space doing schemes. Luckily at the scales 40k is played you can't really make a force too large for lore

>>96352698

Everything besides Thralls and maybe the plasma thanatar seems basically solid, but I'm not sure how they arrived at 10ppm 6+-armoured chumps that deal no damage and went "this seems balanced against tactical marines". Also not sure what they'll do against tankspam - they can handle termies with Domitars and Thallax, but they are fundamentally very limited in the heavy gun department and seem to be designed for a world where S6 shooting in volume was perfectly capable of can-opening a bunch of Rhinos, which it largely is not any more.

>>96351324
So you want to tell me that SoH Assault Marines got throw out of 109 Exploration Fleets?

>>96352791
>maybe the plasma thanatar seems basically solid
Why would you say the plasma thanatar is not solid? What is not solid about 72" range?

Where I've got to leave them for now, git a print order I'm waiting on for more pteruge shoulders and loin cloths like on the praetor and unfortunately the Etsy purity seals I bought are clearly too small for marines

>>96352791
Thralls are balanced and priced around you taking 40 and reanimating them every turn.

>>96352800

It's very expensive and it's not solving problems Mech can't solve cheaper, at least unless you specifically need to Barrage something on the next game board. Maybe Barrage is way more valuable than I anticipated, but you can get a Karacnos and status three units at once for the same price while reliably rinsing marines with Lightning Locks, or a 135pt Krios and fire an AP3, shredding, suppressive version of the plasma mortar's large blast 36" while zooming around at 14-20" move.

>>96352827
Something things never change

>>96352791
>but I'm not sure how they arrived at 10ppm 6+-armoured chumps that deal no damage and went "this seems balanced against tactical marines".
t5 fnp and can be buffed and resurrected.

>>96352378
>>96352396
>>96352432
Things weren't fitting if I wanted to add Axes on the Velataris and be able to transport the Command squad too, so I removed the second squad of Velataris. Got 33pts left. Some other things changed too but I've been fucking about stripping a Rhino and watching Aliens so I forgot.

>>96352835
With how restrictive LOS is Barrage definitely has a lot of value. Unless you're playing with next to no terrain it is impossible to draw LOS across more than half of the table.

>>96352479
>slowed down their collecting and playing to focus on their life it seems 2.0 was the final nail in the coffin
It's what happened to my area with 3.0. Small group was coalescing around 2.0 about a year ago, 3.0 came around and it dissolved after leaks.
Sounds like you and your friends still are having fun, so that's good news.

>>96352838
Also have added in Dozers on the Dracosans, so now that's 23pts left.

>>96352262
The Last Church was written with the idea that the Emperor is right, but kinda a dick about it. That's not exactly anti-Emps.

>>96352783
I just can't stand the candy red scheme. It looks like fucking plastic

>>96352838
Mechanised is a good choice with this list, you've got a lot of tanks after all.

Take dozer blades on the Dracosans and then spend the remaining 23 points on whatever you want.

>>96352879
It is plastic anon.

>>96352869
Already can't tolerate the stupidity of most people after having lived a couple of decades, doesn't surprise me the Emperor is kind of a dick after having to watch humanity for tens of thousands of years.

>>96352879
There's way of painting it without making ti look like that. Also, there's art of them rocking the blue color scheme during the Heresy, so you can paint them like that if you want

>>96350438
Maybe the raven guard since they like birds so much. Who really knows though since the black books don’t touch on this. Glad you’re getting into birdwatching though anon

>>96352895
While those are very well painted, i would never know those are Tsons unless you told me, they dont look like tsons, they look like either blood angles or word barers

>>96352905
Just change the black parts to something else

>>96350891
China has the og chaos raptors which are genuinely one of the coolest kits ever

>>96352907
Even then, the red is to dark to be tsons.
They look like BA or WB still.

>>96352919
Red with gold trim reads as Tsons, simple as. Can add white bits to taste, and egyptian bits all over the place

>>96352919
They look like Flesh Tearers.

Maybe Prospero burning wasn't such a bad thing

>>96352917
>coolest kits ever
I'm not going to kinkshame, BUT -

>>96352837
>>96352828

You can't really buff them because Cybertheurgic Feedback will annihilate 70% of the unit, and you can res 4 a turn with an Archmagos at most. Even with T5 6+++ they'll die to half as many bolter shots or frag grenades as tacs, they do nothing in return and they're not Line. If they were affordable, they'd be good meat shields, but I'd rather have tacs or lasrifle tercios by a long way.

>>96352851

Yeah, that's worth a decent amount, I'm just not sure it's twice-the-cost-with-less-output valuable. Krioae, Ursarax and Domitars are all general-purpose infantry melters that can put solid damage into anything with a Toughness value for the Thanatar's cost or lower, I'm more a fan of the lascannon Thanatar because I really need tanks to die and I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to do it. Something like anon's Solar Aux list here worries me significantly because there's really not much Mech can do against that much AV14 front if we can't run up and melee it. Can't get that many laser thanatars, deep striking melta thallax cap out at one squad, etc.

>New HH barrel
>Two Primarchs in a Spartan plus retinue
>Uses move reacts to jump pack in the spartan to dodge each other???
I didn't think Primarch batreps could get anymore boring. I couldn't finish it. Primarch fights don't make good content to watch.

>>96352879
The original box set for them had matte Thousand Sons that looked fine. Throw in some white, throw on some TS bits from the FW upgrade sets and the 40k kits, and you'd be fine. Weathering red isn't bad.

ultramarines: cringe or awesome?

>>96352879
I get the scheme, I think it looks great when it's done well, but it often just isn't done well

>>96352986
cringe

>>96352879
Try something like this

>>96352677
there's nothing to say those Prime slots have to take the Prime Advantage on the same page

true, as it stands this early in the release schedule, there aren't a lot of *useful* PA to take - Reductor and Lacrymaerta can take Master Sergeant on a squad, which isn't the worst use on Prime compared to the alternative, and any of them can take Logistical Benefit to cram a Retinue in

also worth noting that the Legion detachments are all limited to one PA per detachment

Paragon Thanatar sounds impossible to shift from an objective, Paragon Decimator is a random war crime generator

I would be paying close attention to future PA for Mech, as anything not locked to particular units/detachments or single-use is going to have a high probability of being OP

>>96352986
They're fun, I like the revenge for Calth angle for Loyalists or Building Our Own Imperium for Traitors.

>>96352289
I do what I want!

>>96353041
But that's the superior vindicator

>>96352879
it tends to look a lot better in person where the camera isn't picking up flare

>>96352982
TS in matte red need white bolters to not look like BAngels

>>96352972
That's the secret Tony, Primarch fights, and special characters in general, have always been dogshit that only secondaries and WAACfags like

>>96353059
And I'm leaving the dozer blade OFF

>>96353041
Where is the fuckhuge dozer blade bro?

>>96352346
Next month the local club is starting a growth league for 3.0 and there have already been more than 25 people who signed up. The veteran HH players who already tried it so far are rather positive about the new edition, even the one guy who was adamant about sticking to 2.0 during the leaks.

>>96353075
Even better?

>>96353075
Now that is some real heretical behaviour.

>>96353004
>no painting guide

It's over

>>96353075
Ok gaylord faggot

>>96353107
Black/Dark Purple into red, add chipping

>>96353008

I think I'd much rather have the Thallax/Ursarax buffs than Master Sarge, but Logistical Benefit is neat on the Thallax teams.

I'm mostly eying up anything in future that grants more Prime slots outside Apex, because that means that non-Cybernetica Apex can get themselves Paragons.

One neat thing Mech can do with Prime slots right now is farm Troop tech-priests, since their troop auxiliary has a prime slot. If you have spare detachments, which is not unlikely when Magi give two each, each can become an Archimandrite Combat Veteran Tech-Priest independent of the lackluster Archi apex det, and that's a 30pt 10/10/9/9 specialist with Battlesmith 2, solid cybertheurgy odds and no LD penalty for joining any allies, not just other Mechanicum. I think stiffening up Militia squads or even Marine troops with Ld10 sarges carrying grav-guns and boosting/repairing nearby tanks might be very worthwhile.
They certainly seem better than Chaplains. 65pts for gravgun, cyber-familiar and Overcharged Reactors, season meltabombs/nuncio-vox/augury scanner/cognis-signum where appropriate.


(Cybertheurgy odds are 58% at Overcharged Reactors for 5pts, 83% for 25pts, 72% for 25pts on non-mech units if you want to buff allied vehicles, or you can go for the long shot and spend 45pts on Chastise the Machine Spirit and take 41% shots at instantly Suppressing enemy units with no save.)

>>96352422
>if you care about 30k, you don't use the cheaper model
>if you care about 30k, you'll use the cheaper model
How the turntables have turned...

>>96352958
The thralls aren't there to do damage, they're there to be ablative regenerating wounds for your magos who has comptroller. It takes 2 squads of 20 stationary tacticals 3 turns to wipe 40 thralls and a magos.

>>96352346
My local scene seems to mostly be waiting on the final shakeout. I tried to get some games of any edition but all but 2 players are "focusing on building/painting" instead of playing anything. I've had a few games and after you get the basics down the games play smoother. This is not a full endorsement as I hate what they did to legion rules, but the core rules and adaptive FOC work well. We desperately need new generic missions though. The core 3 get boring.

A semi related note, 3.0 feels like a skirmish version of 30k. All the status effects and rapid scoring make it feel faster paced back and forth.

>>96352579
Incorrect. That only makes sense using it one-handed (the model is not), holding it high (the model is holding it low) and holding it with a shield (which is impossible for a two-handed low oar spear)

You're a retarded faggot.

>>96353173
Good luck trying to explain to a mechanicuck that units can do different things than vaporise more than their point cost in one phase and still be good.

>>96351079
I've got to echo what man others said about the heads being a lot bigger than you think.

>>96353186
>I'll take "What is a not actively stabbing travel ideal pose for an 8ft super human in power armor that could one hand any contemporary melee weapon at will?" For 200, Alex.
So is the apple at least red? Or just a grey blob?

>>96349385 (OP)
Is it possible to do a Word Bearers aesthetic other than daemonic gribblies?

>>96353204
Don't be a faggot,loyalist word bearer fags are all retarded.

>>96353204
yes, parchment and writing everywhere. The only demonic units were Gal Vorbak and Mhara Gal, the rest are just regular dudes who pray hard

Post your champions. I want ideas.

>>96353182
If GW is smart there will not be a edition 4.0 any time soon, and they should instead focus on fleshing out legion and faction rules, missions, and add more unit entries for kitbashing opportunities. There's enough they can add to milk the players through tactica journals for at least a decade.

>>96352579
Can you show these historical spear stances?
>>96352631
Hoplites also weren't armed with power spears.

>>96352853
>Sounds like you and your friends still are having fun, so that's good news.
Yup, at the end that's what matters.

>>96352677
>>96352693
That's such bad news! Especially for Reductor, as the lack of jump Archmagi prevent them from joining the single Reductor unit there is: (jump) Thallax.
I doubt the Mechanicum list can be changed, so the only fix remotely possible would be to let the different factions of Mechanicum be able to mingle with one another without interference
>But you can afford the -1Ld
Can afford it. Shouldn't have to
It's like saying the Praetor can only join Praetorian Command. Sure he actually doesn't want to join anyone else. But y'all did bitch about the death of mounted praetors for a full month.

>>96352579
>the pose is for stabbing down over shields (because the 8ft power armoured target can't lift their shield up to block your thrust) or down into neck holes
>>96353203
>what I mean is the pose is for carrying the spear, no actually a fighting stance

>>96353237
So this is what "Would touch it with a ten foot pole" looks like.

>>96353173
>>96353192

They're not particularly good at that, though. 40 thralls is 400pts, for 400pts I can get 16 entire Scyllax to guard my Magos instead. That squad has a real invuln, a real save, WS/BS5 and Breaching 5+ AP3 melee.

Two stationary tac squads put out 120 bolter shots a round, which kills 22 Thralls or slightly over 4 Scyllax. The Thralls are going to be dead and gone long before the robo-squids are, and if the Magos is joined to the squad Expendable does nothing. If the Scyllax squad doesn't just sit there being shot and instead marches towards the Tacs for two rounds under fire and then makes a charge, they'll still have enough left to disintegrate one of the squads on contact and then make a decent attempt at facing down the other one, the Thralls will do nothing.

Sure, the Scyllax have four less wounds in total and die faster to D2+ AP3 weapons, but they're also a real unit.

>>96353254
>Shouldn't have to
Yes you should. Individual mechanicum pieces are better than their marine counterparts, the balancing factor is that they are worse at being a multifaceted cohesive whole.

>>96353254
No, it's like saying you shouldn't be able to give one of the most undercosted units in the game the equivalent of line 3, which is what your asking for.

>>96352949
Duly noted, and ignores

>>96353213
>Don't be a faggot,loyalist word bearer fags are all retarded.
You don't have to tell me. I would consider the grey-gold color scheme (for Traitors obviously) if it wasn't gone by Calth iirc
>>96353215
That command squad is clean as hell.

>>96353091
Yep, even with a bit of flavour leaving, 3.0 has been way more enjoyable than 2.0(especially at launch). Feels like my choices actually matter and I’m not punished for running some units

>>96353192
>Mechanicum players can't comprehend that a unit can do bad damage and still be useful.
>Astartes players can't comprehend that Terminators can be used to fight targets other than your opponents Terminators.

What other faction blindspots are there?

>>96353302
WB are the type of legion who would paint their dudes in the pre-heresy color scheme and go "hello fellow loyalists, we are a splinter loyalist faction from our legion here to help you out (they're not)"

>>96353316
Aux and militia players can't comprehend that just because a weapon has AP>3 doesn't mean it should be all you take

>>96352838
Looks good anon, it is a solid list for any club that dont have WAAC faggots.
Do you have a paint scheme in mind?

>>96353254

Honestly the faction fuckery could be resolved by adding a jump pack basic-magos option and unlocking the Macrocarid so something other than Scyllax and Macrotek Magi can get in the damn thing, I don't really mind the mild leadership penalties. Having a transport that can't transport is incredibly stupid, though.

I'm looking at Apothecaries and the Primus Medicae and... am I right in thinking that the only reason to take the latter, is because it's a Command Slot not a support slot so it unlocks a detachment or you can give it a Prime advantage?
Realistically speaking? Both can be given Thunderhammers, but one is 70 points more expensive because they've got, substantially admittedly, better stats.

That said, in terms of modelling project, the Primus can have twin Disintigrator pistols, which is kind of funny.
The Medic reaction itself is kind of good if you know your opponent likes to bring a lot of Tacticals, sure it's not as good as giving FNP to things, but it's nice to have on a unit that's guarding a point that the Tacticals are trying to shoot off it. I guess if you were using W2 Terminators you'd take the Terminator Primus (For the only Needle pistol in the game if nothing else)?

We've already done the math of Medic! Vs Shieldwall right?

>>96353270
thralls are trash this ed, only brainlets don't understand this

>>96353375
You only have 3 command slots, you can get 8 apothecaries in one detachment. And apothecaries aren't banned from joining terminator units anymore.

>>96353375
Apothcary cant take shit in term of gear.
Apothecaries are basically worthless this edition.

>>96353228
GW isn't smart, its greedy

>>96353390

They get access to the Sargeant Melee List, that means they can have a Thunderhammer.

>>96353389
Yeah, but if you only want the one Apothecary and not to have to use an Aux Det slot on that, then I could see an argument for it. Also, the Apothecary doesn't have a Jump Pack or Bike option like the Primus does at least... so I guess there's that too.

>>96353436
>a healer knows which blows wound the most

>>96353336
I was thinking of doing a deep/dark red for the boiler suit, thinking a light grey or maybe like a dark bronze for the armour panels. If I do the bronze, it'll make doing the tank colour scheme a bit harder so maybe I need to figure out a way to introduce the grey onto the infantry, and then have that take a greater portion of the scheme on the tanks

>>96353266
>Travel pose must be a different as possible from fighting pose
>No such thing as relaxing the pose when not actively stabbing but keeping the right grip
Though this is hilarious:
>because the 8ft power armoured target can't lift their shield up to block your thrust
Because it implies that melee combat would always end in a draw. No shit a shield *could* block something. Now I'm not even sure if you're serious because no way did you imply it's impossible to get past a shield.

>>96353270
You're missing the point anon-chama.

Everyone's bringing guns that kill Scyllax good because those same guns are also broadly effective against VEQs, TEQs and tanks, all common targets for a TAC list.

There are fewer guns which kill Thralls good and those guns that do kill Thralls good tend to only kill Thralls good so they're less common, Volkites the only exception that comes to mind.

I brought up tacticals because in most of your games massed tacticals will be your opponents best answer to a Thrall horde and its clearly a shitty answer. No enemy will lack for D2 weapons to kill your scyllax.

>>96353463
>t. has never done physical activity in his life

>>96353215

Why does your banner have the loyalist crest?

>>96353394
INew editions mean big sales boosts. They don't do a new edition because it's needed, they do it to boost sales and market "improvements". It's better optics than "fixes" because it's "new" or an "upgrade".

This might be the one game they reconsider that model for. It was the only community that backlashed united and smokes out the shills.

>>96353488
looted from Calth

>>96353485
>Shields make you invincible
>No such thing as luck or skill
>No army that used shield was ever defeated
>Etc

>>96353436

Thanks, I vaguely remembered this meme but I could exactly put it down.
The idea of the Primus just dual weilding Disintigrators is pretty funny to me.
Actually, Needle Pistol on the Terminator option isn't the DUMBEST idea, since it's got Pinning (1) although it's weird that he's the only version who get's this of all people.

>>96353038
Thats a cool paint job, gj.

All three despoiler squads are built, just need to drill barrels and clean up before priming. Not sure if to paint them first or attempt the vehicles and Kharn at the same time.

>can't wait to work on my heresy army
>have no idea what I want my list to look like
How do I cure this disease

>>96353375
>We've already done the math of Medic! Vs Shieldwall right?
I'm curious about this. Napkin math is medic takes 50% fewer wounds from D1 whereas shield you receive 33.3% fewer wounds from say bolters before saves. Seems like medic is better, especially when higher S is involved. But of course you pay more to get apothecaries vs baked in reaction.

>>96353634
its only worth it on armies that get bookoo reactions like say UM

>>96353598
>Meteor Hammer
Nice
>Kharn
I couldn't help but cringe

Which legions made wider use of MKVI?

>>96352947
>I may be out of spells
>but I'm not out of shells

>>96352947
i cant lie i love the nerf blasters this is just fun man

>>96353600
Spend money on it. That usually either deletes my interest or makes me throw more money at it.

>>96353600
Real simple: just buy all the units.

>>96353459
You can feed the Warcom heraldry side shots to gpt and ask to create a mock up of your idea. It is a good way to visualize if it will work. It is a horde army, so we must truly love the scheme we pick.

>>96353506
Strawmanning won't get you anywhere, gimp.

>>96353662
>>96353669
That's not my problem, sadly. I've got tons of half-assembled and on sprue guys, I just don't know how to build them at this point

>>96353465

They're a slightly awkward statline for common anti-infantry weapons to address, that's true, but every army is probably going to have something at least serviceable for killing them (bolters, volkites, quad-launchers, heavy flamers, chainaxes, basically anything above lasrifle sections in Solar Auxilia) and if I don't spend many points on Thralls then I get the benefit of watching that something ping off the much superior durability of my other units for lack of suitable targets. The impractically large unit of Scyllax in this hypothetical is the same cost as the impractically large unit of Thralls, and if it's soaking up their limited supply of autocannon fire or battle-cannon templates they're not going into the rest of the stuff.

The use case I can actually see for Thralls is for when you already took a Lacarymaerta Archmagos for the incredibly beefy Ursarax swarm and need somewhere to put him, in which case you can drop a min-size unit of shotgun thralls down and add 4 a turn, for an eventual squad of 26 at somewhere around 4-5pts a model. Models now are better than models later, but that's still a good number of dirt cheap T5 wounds and the Magos can make a few saves to keep the last thrall alive if required.

>>96353699
I'm not the guy who who implied shields are perfect

>>96353711
And there really aren't any units/wargear loadouts that look interesting when you're leafing through the Liber? Specially all the different units of veterans with all their wargear options could fill out an entire on their own easily.

>>96353761
>>96353761
>Specially all the different units of veterans with all their wargear options could fill out an entire on their own easily.
Which is what I plan to do next, want to do a small ultramarines veteran cadre to contrast the hordes of my breachers, thinking 2 vet tacs, 1 vet assault, 1 vet support, and 1 suzerain squad under one praetor

>>96353160
>if you care about 30k, use correct models. There's no excuses anymore
FTFY

>making UM list
>Just devolves into 5 Primus demi companies
>Again
Heavy is the crown

>>96353644
it's gonna be a kitbash not-kharn using endryd haar and a centurion helmet though I'll mostly be playign shadow crusade and even have daemon Angron to bust out for Nuceria so I'll use the Kharn rules for that at least.

Are Emperor's Children poorly written?

>>96353721
The primary defence of thralls is high toughness values. Most weapons which wound other infantry on a 2+ are wounding thralls on a 3+. Most small arms are rolling 5s instead of 4s and the unit continually generates wounds over its starting limit.
They're a useful unit. They're not useful in a white room simulation but they are useful.

>>96353861
Mars pattern is correct, no matter how much cry about it. Now you just can't defend your sperging with accusing the other person of being poor (because none of you bought cheaper recast Deimos Rhinos, right?)

>>96353648
Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, mainly. But some other legions got some wide use out of it, and it was present in EVERY legion (if you look at a lot of the cover art for early HH novels, you can see a fair few beakies snuck in them). By late heresy, it's widespread across all legions.

The EC are noted as taking a liking to the armor and trying to get as much of it as they could, though they obviously didn't have it in the amounts the RG and AL did until late heresy.

Sons of Horus got the best equipment since the Warmaster manipulated the pre-heresy supply lines to give his legion the newest shit he could get.

The bulk of the IF were on Terra for most of the heresy, so presumably they got a good amount of MK VI early on.

Salamanders and Iron Hands in Shattered Legion forces began to share supplies with the RG, so they presumably would be getting relatively simple access to MK VI

How likely is it that we get LIgma legion basilisks/medusas?

>>96353721
Also
>bolters.
>serviceable.
Literally takes 400 points of bolters 3 turns to kill the 400 point max blob with a babysitter. Every turn they're shooting thralls is a turn they're not shooting thallax which actually matter when they die.
Every turn they're shooting thallax instead of thralls is another turn of you farming VP from the comptroller hiding in the thrall swarm.

>>96353761
Veteran Breachers sound neat, do they need a transport or can I get away with footslogging?

>>96353994
Don't forget that the existence of a bespoke TS pattern of MK VI helmet indicates that Zhao-Arkhad probably got their hands on the armor early and started mass producing it for the TS.

>>96353634

Also, how does the math change if you've got a unit with FNP or a Shrouded save natively?

For instance, how does a Terminator unit with Shieldwall (Let's say that Sallies one) stack up against a Gorgon Terminator Unit with an Apo or Primus (possibly in his own Gorgon Suit, because it looks cool)?
And then there's the question of Morlocks, and do we know how Eternal Warrior interacts with the Medic ability? Does EW reduce the damage BEFORE so Medic can completely delete 2W attacks? Or is it AFTER, so it's effectively pointless to use Medic with a unit if EW is going to be doing something anyway?

Are these helmets too big? Or does it read as the enhanced respirator adding extra bulk?

>>96353451
I'm still pissed my deathwatch gm wouldn't let me use my diagnosticar helm to do called shots to specific organs. Fuck you, I've got a needle rifle, I've got x-ray vision, lemme pop this guy in the kidney.

>>96354081
it does look a little too big right now but show it with arms and pauldrons on, that might make it make more sense because right now the only real point of comparison is the legs

>>96354165
I glued it on before I had to head out for work, but I’ll show him with the arms/pauldrons when I get home. Thanks, anon.

>>96353999
They need a Rhino, otherwise they'll never get any use out of their vanguard 3

>>96354081
Looks fine to me

Champions doko? Please I am dying...

>>96354261
Can only offer an old terminator champion, need to make new pics of the other one

>>96353997
>>96353963

The comptroller could be handing in a big squad of anything else, like Scyllax or Domitars, which are even more resistant to light weapons fire due to being T5 and having a real save.
Bolters don't kill thralls fast, but they kill thralls faster than they kill anything else I could concievably field in that slot instead, so I see no reason to remove the potential for my retinue to actually deal damage just to offer my opponent a convenient target for their anti-light weaponry.

10 Thralls guarding a Magos that can consistently respawn four of them are probably worth it, because the extra models are free and as such the 100pt unit eventually multiplies up into a good number of T5 wounds for the cost, but 40 thralls is a completely deranged thing to bring just to screen an objective-scorer. They can't actually fight, so they can't kill anything that shows up to punch them on that objective, and they cost an insane amount of money. 400pts is four domitars, and four domitars with cybertheurgy support will absolutely annihilate anything with a toughness value that gets within 12" of them apart from the biggest Primarchstar possible while also being extremely tanky.

>>96354285
>thunder hammer paragon blade
I know what you are

>>96354246
Can you get away with drop pods? Seems for thematic for Word Beaers

>>96354332
Depends. Can't charge out of the drop pod, but using one to drop on/near an objective to shoot might be useful. Would recommend a master of signal though.

>>96354285
Looks badass anon. Are the chains on the tilt shield a decal or do you have godlike freehand? Same for the belt
>>96354321
A badass. Was that combo even good in 2.0?

ideas for cheap mobile scoring? I'm trying to build a super aggressive WS cav army. Cheap aux parked on my home objective is appealing, but what I really want is to do is bait somebody into sending units back there, only to redeploy and make the fight about the middle/their deployment. Fliers would work, but there's no way to easily modify flier reserves

>>96354383
>Was that combo even good in 2.0?
Yes, or at least it was the optimal loadout for a champion if you used one. You got an extra attack from two specialist weapons and a better weapon.

>>96352457
To be honest it's more the sound design of the audio drama that's good
The titan walking towards the council chambers with all the panic, the constant slow heavy footsteps, the war horn growing louder, ect, its just really well done

>>96354261
Be gentle anon, I know I should've thinned my paints.... He shall be redone in matte soon enough.

>>96354384
Assault marines, use a MoS to swap to line

>>96354261
Tribune Boreas Ravane - Champion of the Auric Host. Bearer of Anbaric Aegis. Grand Proctor of the Palatine Ossuary.

>>96354421
He looks like a badass, did you sculpt the cape out of greenstuff? I can totally hear him saying "I AM THE NIGHT"

>>96354383
That is a freehand.

>>96354398
This champion was made for 1.0 - during which I could have just taken a 5 pts power dagger for the +1 attack instead, rather than a whole thunder hammer.

>>96354469
Power dagger plus sword does sould like a pretty aesthetic combo desu

how common are 1000 point games?

>>96354421
NTA but I love the pose and greebling. The paintjob is reminiscent of the old FW gritty style.

>>96354448
Yep, I made a whole series of tartaros consuls to practice greenstuff capes.

I'll post them all on here once they're repainted, I really liked that one IFbros consul collection

>>96354292
I have won every game I've taken 40 thralls to, thus they are a good unit

>>96354520
Got a better pic of that magos?

>>96354520
>character, rhino, and 10 tactical marines in perfect clustered formation with a thanatar right around the corner
Does he know?

>>96354501
If somebody asks to play a 1000 point game, they get to play a 1000 point game.

But usually people can't restrain themselves, get more toys, and end up with over 3000 points of stuff they want to bring all at once.

>>96354261
I mean he's the Emperors Champion if that counts
>>96354421
I do like the metallic armour a lot.
I think how you took the photos probably makes them look worse than they are IRL, phones tend to do that to models.

>>96354543
Many, many such cases

>>96354520

While I disagree on the merit of huge Thrall squads as opposed to tacking 10 onto every Magos and getting everything past squad size 10 for free, I appreciate the hustle and the nicely painted thralls.

Alos, great magos. How do you load your Magi out in 3.0? I haven't given much thought to that beyond "well, they power fist stuff pretty good and I can add a gravgun".

>>96354576
FFS I just realized I never drilled the barrels.
>>96354555
>>96354508
I appreciate your kind words anons

>>96354555
Why is he doing the costanza face? Siggy Shiggy?

>>96354600
Because he got away with it

>>96354600
It's not the first time it's been pointed out to me, it really is that face huh?

>>96354421
fuck the paint the mini is cool get a new camera man

Can the next thread OP be this image, please?

I really really like this image.

>>96354750
Only if you post a video of you jerking off to her blacked videos

>>96354750
I've always said that Deredeos are female busty Comtemptors, but this is retarded

>>96354750
Where's the horse?

Found a chainaxe stl that is just the head of the weapon that fits onto a brass rod, it allows me to crank out chainaxe militia five times faster than the retarded neanderthal way I was doing it before. And they look way cleaner as well. Hope these guys are still legal in 3.0.

i want to get into hh but like smaller armies and was thinking about mechanicum for zone mortalis. it would be the arch magos with two castellax and two ten man sqauds of tech thralls. is something like this ok in zone mortalis or do they need thallax and ursarax indoors?

>>96354775
>I hope [thing that requires a conversion] is still legal in 3.0!
Have you been living under a rock for thr past 3 months

After pondering the nature of tech-thralls a bit more, maybe I have judged them too harshly. I only just realised that if I stick a 45pt techpriest with a power weapon in there he still spawns two guys a round, can cybertheurge 58% of the time and can't be challenged out, so if he bonks a single marine to death the thralls win combat regardless of casualties and the Marines need to test to avoid running away.

145pts for 10-18 thralls and a Comp 1 techpriest isn't amazing value, but that is *hysterical* so I'm absolutely giving that a try.

>>96354785
You've asked this every thread and the answer has always been the same. ZM rules aren't out yet

>>96354785

Whatever the merits of tech-thralls for soaking damage, they definitely can't put any out, so regardless of what small-game/zones mortalis rules eventually come out you will want some of their heavy infantry. Thallax, Ursarax and Scyllax are all good, especially in close quarters where the Scyllax can get into melee and use their genuinely excellent stats more easily.

When are the MKII assault marines coming out! I want to make raptors!

>>96354785
We dont know how the new ZM will work, but the chances of castellax working well there are fairly decent.

>>96354795
Militia is a legacy army that is literally 100% conversions, anon

>>96354750
Asg?

>>96354939
It's from /int/ originally, asg is the equivalent of "lol" or "lmao" in Swedish.

>>96354826
>
i would have to go cheap on the thallax but i could replace a unit of tech thralls with them.

>>96352828
>>96352837
>>96352958
>>96353173
>>96353997
Thralls are a shield to their attached Magos. Can't fight at all, but they can shield. They cannot be buffed to fight better, because feedback kills ~70% of the unit
However, a Magos cannot score an objective if the unit is ever engaged in melee, and he's the only source of damage. Furthermore, he cannot explode the unit by himself because only Archimandrites can cast two powers in the same turn, so he has to recruit another guy

I'm just saying, Thralls don't convince me

So, now that 30k uses a Damage stat. If you have a single wound model with a FNP and it suffers a D2 attack, it has to roll two FnP rolls, right?

>>96355065
correct

>>96355065
>>96355073
No, it's one FNP roll per unsaved wound

>>96354440
You teleport your ass to the Vengeful Spirit and this Coraline nigga greets you. What do?

>Pg 9 with only 517 posts
Ded game

>>96355010

Omega Protocols is, as far as I can tell, straight up useless, you're never going to get value from that. Flesh-Knit is borderline, you're probably not going to be close enough to your Ursarax to cast it and you can't Guide with it anyway, so none of the buffs are particularly significant. They don't mind +1T, but then they take 9 autowounds from the feedback anyway, and the strength/move/init isn't that substantial for already-fast S6 power armour blenders.

Any potential value from Thralls is purely from spawning enough harmless bodies to reduce the effective points-per-ablative-wound cost of the squad to a reasonable level. If each squad of 10 thralls is adding 2-4 models a round all game that's between 16 and 22 thralls that might actually get a round to do something, and 4-6ppm thralls are basically acceptable chaff. Fairly sure that big militia squads with Ld10 Archimandrite sarges will do it better, though.

>>96354975

We don't have Zones Mortalis rules, why do you even have a points limit?

>>96355129
im assuming it would still be around 500 points like last time.

>>96354251
Thanks. I wanted respirator heads for my flamer squad lol

>>96355115
i could shitpost more, but it doesn't feel productive

>>96355115
The UK got shadowbanned retard

>>96355169
No it didn't, we can still get on here

I don't understand who makes stocking decisions for GW. They promoted the everloving fuck out of the saturnine praetor model, sent one to every famous painter in the world to do a highlight spot on it. My store got literally none on release day. Who the hell is making these decisions?

>>96355204
Bummer

>>96355224
>t. My store got literally none on release day.
Wouldnt that be down to your store not ordering any?

>>96355224
not sure how you could've missed it seeing as every grifter and NPC in the GW sphere has parroted it nonstop for years now but GW has competing departments that fuck eachother over. Stockists aren't beholden to the marketing and design teams they allocate units wherever they like.

>>96355099
So, a single successful FnP would prevent both points of damage?

>>96355268
Yes, it is simply another save.
this is stronger vs overkill damage, and weaker for preventing oneshots on multi wound models

>>96355244
I'm under the impression that individual stores have literally zero autonomy when it comes to what they get or how they are supposed to operate.

>>96355224
They've historically had trouble keeping up with demand. I suppose they prioritize some places over others.

>>96355295
LGS order whatever the hell they want.

>>96355341
And warhammer/games workshop corporate stores?

>>96355347
They have tiers based on sales and physical size. If your store doesn't have enough sales and isn't big enough, you're not going to get certain releases.

>>96355279

Speaking of FNP, is it worth chucking an Apothecary into a unit of Immortals just for three layers of save? Or is Shieldwall just going to carry you better?
And does the needle move any if these are AL Immortals, not on-brand IH Immortals?

>>96355475
Is 3+ 5++ 4+++ good against small arms fire? Yes. Is it worth it? Maybe?

medic is only for a specific round of shooting and prevents you making other reactions, its not going to help you much vs d2 shooting since that still kills 1w immortals. So its not great vs the heavy firepower on them. Shieldwall is similarly only good vs small arms fire, but unless youre IH it does less than medic (going from t5 to t6 halves the amount of bolter shots you have to save).

>>96354529
sure

>>96354543
he was going to charge that turn so he would've been safe

>>96354587
pretty much just cyber-familiar, machinator array, no ranged weapons and a chainfist/powerfist
the shooting seems very anemic for magi this edition, I used to give them c-beamers or thrusters for blind/ap2 but now they don't even get those

Can the OP add this link to the next thread?
Thanks

https://tannhauser.moe/

>>96355590
No, I aint clicking that

>>96355580
fresh bread
>>96355580
post WIPs

>>96355113
You run. You run like hell.

>>96351327

idk if you're joking or not but they have some insanely semitic-sounding name, including but not limited to the "-addon" suffix, or shit like "Lev Goshen"