Thread 96387312

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>>96350169

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,
Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.
Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,
OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg

>TQ
Why aren't you playing Halo Flashpoint yet?

>TQ
Same reason I'm not playing any other games.
Because I tried asking in the LGS Discord server and nobody answered.
Not sure how Facebook would work, but I doubt it would yield any better results.

Truly being an /awg/er is a burden in itself.

>>96387323
Just play with your friend or family

>>96387312 (OP)

Last time I played we tried out Master Chief, so he gave me MC and two commanders for extra command dice and under those circumstances he get's... pretty lore accurate.

>>96387323
I truly can't imagine the suffering of being a nogames loser who is still compelled to post here.

>>96387312 (OP)
>Why aren't you playing Halo Flashpoint yet?

This property passed me by
I would probably play deadzone tho
I'm curious about Void 2.0 atm

>>96387312 (OP)
>Why aren't you playing Halo Flashpoint yet?
Halo's been killed under 343i/Halo Studios, so I can't say I give a shit about a tabletop adaptation of their shitty multiplayer.

>>96388129

The ruleset is good... but yeah, setting any Halo Property post Covenent War is a big turn-off for me as well.
That game was a finished trilogy with some side-content like ODST and Reach. Continuing the story was fucking dumb and the worst thing they could have done and shows how little they ever understood the source mater...

wait are we talking about Halo or Star Wars again?

>>96388183
Reach and ODST were some of their finest work. If they wanted another trilogy they should have done an ODST or early war trilogy covering another character. Instead they couldn't let a sleeping dog lie

>>96388129
Get the sand out of your vagina and unstick yourself from 15+ years ago.

>>96388217

Preaching to the choir here. I still say that Spartan Game's Fleet Wars game being set in the run up to reach was the best decision they ever made with it.
Although... in fairness that's not the highest of bars to cross.

>Good idea: Obtaining the HALO license even though you are five guys with autism in a business estate in Somerset because 343 did no more research than find a company with a name that tied into Halo.
>Mixed idea: Making a ship combat game first because that is all you know how to do.
>Bad idea: Not putting the Halcyon class into the game at any point even though it's the original hero ship.

Despite all that, it was still the best version of that one ruleset they used for all their games.

>>96387312 (OP)
>Why aren't you playing Halo Flashpoint yet?
Don't like Halos. Not racist, just don't like em.

>>96387312 (OP)
Sell me on Halo Flashpoint. I've found the models kinda look neat, but how are the rules?

Does it have material for doing campaign or narrative play or are we in matchmaking hell?

>>96388808
The rules are really good. Most fun skirmish game going right now IMO.
There's no rules for campaign play, but there's already 2 factions with rumors of at least 3 more on the way.
The game has sold so well above Mantic's expectations that they've accelerated their release schedule at least double what they initially planned according to developer interviews.

>>96387411
My friends aren't into wargames. Just TTRPGs.
>>96388054
I don't have to imagine.

Anyways the game I was asking if people were interested in was Kings of War.

>>96387312 (OP)
ok here here are my bloodborne and 100 year wars minies converted into a fantasy 1500 point oathmark army.

In this case humans and werewolves in an alliance/ Going for a clerical werewolf, "penitant beast" sort of vibe. the idea is maybe that a cleric from the human settlement actually manage to convert the werewolves and make them believe even beasts can be saved. The whole "man is the middle point between angel and beast" dynamic that the oration on the dignity of man talks about. also those obscure tales of werewolf prests in the likes of st whoever and the small italian communes that said they fought devils in the bodies of wolves. Powerwolf too ofc.

The spellcaster is obviously the cleric you can see in the bottom right with the massive sword all in white. followed by 2 normal werewolves and one big centerpiece werewolf.

minuses are no artillery and limited spell options, pluses are robust human roaster and self healing monsters and buff spells.

pretty happy how it looks (ofc need to paint the werewolves). please ignore the ghetto ass cardboard moving trays. actual ones are coming in the mail soon.

>>96387312 (OP)

>TQ

I already get my nostalgia fix from miniatures in general. I doubt the game (and I keep hearing that mantic writes good rulesets) can replicate the rush of playing assault on control room on legendary while I was a child with no obligations and little responsibilities.

>>96389251
>>96389262

That's a really cool army you've got there. How does oathmark work for more high medieval forces like you've painted up? Where did you get those wolves, are they 3D prints?

>>96387312 (OP)
I've never played any of the Halo video games before and don't want to get into new games made overseas at this point. I backed Epic Warpath before this shit happened and that at least offers STLs while Halo doesn't.

I like that Mantic has made a lot of actual Deadzone stuff 3D printable too, that's nice. My only peeve with that system is the TLOS. I put some of my forge fathers on taller bases in Firefight where height doesn't really matter so I was surprised that it did in Deadonze.

>TQ

Because I already have enough models for games I don't play. I already have a healthy group for Malifaux and MCP and have models for Guild Ball, Wild West Exodus and Warmachine which will likely never see the light of day again.

Anyone else play the new edition of Malifaux? I am really digging all the changes to the rules. Also my keywords are all rad AF.

>>96388183
>The ruleset is good... but yeah, setting any Halo Property post Covenent War is a big turn-off for me as well.
isn't the game just spartans killing spartans like in any halo game's multiplayer? if yes then I don't see how much it matters

>>96389895
Nah, there's Spartans, ODSTs, Brutes, Elites, and more to come. Probably Flood soon. Weapon and equipment spawns and respawns are multiplayer-esque, but it's really a mix of all of Halo's constituent gameplay across PVP and PVE modes.

>>96389321
>That's a really cool army you've got there
Thanks! hopefully they are even cooler painted up and on proper trays,
>How does oathmark work for more high medieval forces like you've painted up?
its a generic pre modern system. the lighter infantry are classified as spearmen, and heavy infantry with 2 handers are classified as "linebreakers". SO there aren't any specific rules for different time periods of warfare. just race dependent rules.
>? Where did you get those wolves, are they 3D prints?
No they are from the bloodborne boardgame

One Page Rules question:

>Deadly (3): Assign each wound to one model and multiply it by X. Hits from Deadly must be resolved first, and these wounds don't carry over to other models if the original target is killed.

My one attack hits the target. Does the target roll 3 separate armour rolls? Or is it one armour roll, which if failed, results in 3 wounds?

Thanks anons.

>>96391271
One roll that deals three wounds if not saved.

>TQ
Waiting for the Elites to be available in a separate box as I don't care about spartans

>>96392018
That's been on pre-order for a while already. They ship September 15

Because, Matt, I prefer a more generic sci fi or fantasy game that swishes all my favourite things together

>>96387312 (OP)
konflikt 47 already doing 10% off...not a good sign and i've seen plenty bolt action players are turned off by the increased scale and the fact that warlords last few ww2 releases have been ass...is k47 fucked straight out the gate?

>>96392594
You anticipate Warlord's downfall every time they put out a new model. Warlord easily has 10-15 more years of selling stuff to Boomers for fantastic profits wirh its eyes closed. Maybe not GW too big to fail, after all history has no IP but far bigger than malcontents here can possibly understand. When Warlord gets bought out and streamlined people will have retro nostalgia for it and arguments about editions.

>>96392594
It's 10% off the old models that are still in stock. Not the new stuff.

>>96388808
Game is played on an 8x8 grid with each grid square being a 3" to a side cube. Weapon range and movement only requires counting cubes to your target, diagonals counting as 1, so you don't need to worry about fiddling with precise measurements. Which cube a model is in is determined by the center of their base.

LoS is a variant of true line of sight using a cylinder up from the base to the head of the model. Thus, you don't need to worry about nonsense with a weapon sticking out exposing your dude if said weapon is past the base.

Turns are alternating, with you chosing one of your models to do stuff, making moves/attacks/whatever with them, then your opponent doing the same. This repeats until all units have been used one time, and then a new round starts.

As a Skirmish game, you have a low model count. Base rules is 4, but the War Games expansion introduces a points system that means you can get from 2-5 (nearly 6, but not enough cheap units for a 200 point game). The game has a split health system with Shields that regen at the start of a new round, along with Wounds that don't regenerate - and for most game modes units that are completely killed respawn during the next round. Even if you get all your units wiped in one round, they're gonna be coming back.

However, aside from just keeping hold of objectives, there is important value in keeping your units alive, as the gameboard starts out with scattered weapon, equipment, and grenades that your units can pick up and use.

Game imported a few gamemodes from the Halo series, ranging from the conventional kill enemy units (2 variants, standard Slayer and limited respawns Attrition) and capturing territory (2 variants, different scoring types of Strongholds and Total Control). But there's also some less commonly seen ones in Capture the Flag, as well as some odder ones like the multi-neutral flag of Stockpile and good old Oddball (can even kill with the objective skull).

>>96393748
Also, a note on the weapon, equipment, grenade pickup system. When your units die, anything that wasn't purchased as an enhancement as part of your list (you respawn with those) but was instead picked up from the battlefield gets scattered around where your unit died. So if your opponent had a unit up a rocket launcher and is killing your units, you can kill them and then take the rocket launcher for yourself to start killing their units.

The base models do act on what-you-see-is-what-you-get for their Primary weapon. This might make kitbashing slightly trickier, especially with Spartans having their armor types like CQB functionally serving as a class and each of them have only 2 Primary weapon variants, but for friendly games you can easily do counts as.

As a heads up for anyone that doesn't want to go for one of the big all-in-one bundles because the ultimate editions are too much for one big purchase and you want to space them out, generally reccommended order is:
>Recon to get core rules, basic units, and general tokens (can replace with Spartan edition if you want flags and objective markers that are plastic models rather than cardboard tokens - as well as a few more models).
>Then go for a physical War Games set as that gives a couple more units but more importantly a bunch of unit cards and the shit you need for enhancements.
Then you path into a more freeform area. You can go Rise of the Banished if you want more aliens and all their weapons and stuff, or you can go for Feet First into Hell if you like baseline humans and more UNSC kit like Flamethrowers.

>>96393861
And one final thing to address the primary question asked:

>>96388808
>Does it have material for doing campaign or narrative play or are we in matchmaking hell?
When it comes to the example setups for balanced gameplay, it is specifically in locations for where pickup weapons/equipment spawns at, where the objectives would be, and where spawn points are. How you lay out the terrain past that point is entirely up to you. You are able to be pretty freeform with the terrain setup.

Things being based around 3" cubes does mean the terrain might look a bit blocky, and the 8x8 grid on top of that means you have to focus on key areas of a terrain, but you can still get some good results, like this High Ground set that someone made in attached pic.

>>96393957
You can theoretically go for boards beyond the standard map size, like with this one. But there could be some issues with moving over that much land. There's some enhancements and equipment that can help a bit, but you'd still be footslogging it over a lot of area.

Sure it would be cool if they released rules for vehicles that are tuned to a 16x8 or 16x16 board size. But can't really count on that occurring anytime soon. Vehicles are a big part of Halo, certainly. But I at least feel like rules for Grunts, Jackals, Marines, Hunters, etc. should have higher priority.

>>96388183
>The ruleset is good... but yeah, setting any Halo Property post Covenent War is a big turn-off for me as well.
There's likely to be a bit of post-Covenant content, but at the same time, the ODST release has Buck as he was as an ODST rather than the later Halo 5 lore of him becoming a Spartan IV.

Treat the Spartan units as IIs or Noble Team-like IIIs and So long as you ain't fighting Atriox, you'll generally be able to vibe with it being the Covenant war. Especially if you are playing with friends and all agree to set aside any post-Covenant weapons.

>>96394066

Speaking of sci-fi, what do we think of the new Resistance plastic BB kit?

I do like the Old Battleships, I think those look really nice. And oh boy, are they very shitty. But personally, I feel like they could have been even shittier (and cheaper.)
Like, drop them down to 5" make the 2" upgrade an option, and then drop them 15-20 points.

Pick related is a Musashi, and honestly there are much worse things to spend 175pts on in this game than a 15hp ship which can hurl out 22 potential damage without going weapons free each turn.
Although, this is Resistance, so the Elephant in the room is that you can probably replicate this feat with two medium buildabear cruiser.

>>96388225
>15+ years ago
Halo Infinite came out 4 years ago and was still trash. Everything they've done is trash, and will probably continue to be trash.

>>96394471

Fuck. I think I can see a painting error, look at the far end of the bronze engine part. I think they forgot to finish painting it. Although it is found consistantly on all of their shots, so I dunno?

Maybe they made these by just plugging in different parts without gluing them?

>>96394471
>>96394507
I probably proxy my resin battleship as Nelson or whatever, might get the new bow for the old battleships at some point.

>>96394605

I honestly prefer the old battleships models. But that's been true for basically all of these plastic BB sets. Although the Shaltari and PHR ones aren't too bad.

If I get the kit, I'll make two Old BB's out of it, I don't hate the Catamaran design, but I don't love it either. I'd much rather find myself a kit for the old style second Resistance BB and make myself a Myrmidon I can swap between it and the Amazon or Argonaut.

>>96394471
Rules-wise, looking at the Musashi I can't see why I wouldn't take a Phalanx instead. Only advantage is the former is fine on standard orders while the latter wants to be on weapons free, but vanguard is such a strong rule I still prefer the battlecruiser. Maybe all the old battleships are points efficient or whatever, but the only one that seems to do something you can't easily find elsewhere is the vent cannon broadsides one.

Probably just going to get one to make a Nimitz, anyway.

>>96393861
You're doing weapon drop wrong. Weapons go to the controlling player's spawn points when a model dies, unless it was killed in melee in which case the killer can pick them up.

Do we have any hints at that the next kings of war edition will be like? What changes? What stays the same? What units are getting the axe? Etc.?

>>96394758

Well, the advantage there is that the Phalanx is only going to use his broadside whilst on Weapons free, whilst the Musashi can fire every one of his weapons every turn on standard orders due to them having the exact same stats but low power. The Musashi is actually one of the few Old Battleships where I can actually sort of see the point of.
Two Light Cruisers with Carrier Bays and Close Action Missiles absolutely mog on the Lexington for about 6 points cheaper. The Iowa has a lower damage ceiling than most cruisers and even on Weapons Free, which it wants to be on EVERY TURN, it's ceiling isn't that great, and every time you roll a 1 on those 5 dice of Overcharged Vent Cannon, you take 2 damage.
The Vanguard at least has a massive damage ceiling... but also a points cost that puts it up alongside real Battleships like the Beijing or even the Nephilim. Although I can see it being very very good at bullying Cruiser groups by running in between them on Weapons Free and offloading a double broadside of 3 dice doing 6 damage each and 3 more doing 3 from each side and then following up with 2 damage close action missiles.
As of the update making all Close Action weapons K (except when they weren't before) and further buffs to Scourge, they are now a bad matchup for Resistance... but if your Triple Stryx LC group missguages your arcs or your distance just a little and you get the opportunity to pounce on them with this... he might just make his points back.

The low key BIGGEST winner in the Resistance list (aside from the Oylmpus/Nelson not getting it's points increased)? Dreadnaughts because they turned the 10k Double Rail Turrets into ABSOLUTE FUCKING MONSTERS by making them Volley 2 and Critical 2.

>>96394782
And if it was a purchased weapon rather than a pick up, it stays on the model no matter what.

>>96394784
Nothing has been stated yet so it's just speculation right now.

What is the most forgotten wargame? I never see ANYONE mention lotr hex combat, it was completely overshadowed by games workshops wargame. I bet there is some interesting company politics involved in here.

>>96396827
Assuming we're talking about a game with an attached miniature line with it, probably somebody's garage operation that never managed to make any waves anywhere. I doubt anything licenced can make the cut, there's always some weirdo collecting that stuff.

>The unpredictability of the current world situation strikes again.

As you may be aware or not, the US government introduced new Customs Tariff regulations that remove the $800 “de minimis” rule – i.e., if the order value was below $800, then no import tax was applied. So, from the 29th of August, all US orders coming to the US will be subject to a customs duty of 10%. Sadly, nothing we can do about it.

But that’s not the worst part. From August 29th, it will be us, the seller, who will need to collect the customs duty from the customer and pay it to US Customs. The problem here is that there is currently no information about any working solution or details on how that will work. Asiad, the typical laconic statements that there will be some “system”.

This, as you can imagine, creates a big uncertainty on our end, as we have no clue how to approach the problem until further updates.

We will temporarily stop accepting orders to the US at the end of next week (August 24, 2025) to avoid any potential issues.

If you are looking to order from us, it’s time to do so to avoid any extra customs fees.


Trump killing wargaming

>>96397775
Fuck off back to /pol/ if you want to start political bickering.

>>96397869
haha, it's completely relevant to awg. Theres atleast 2 awg producers shutting down sales in the us because of the stupid import rules

>>96397882
>Theres atleast 2 awg producers shutting down sales
There's whole national postal services freezing shipments to the US while they try and work out what do. If your manufacturer's in one of those countries then they may not be able to ship even if they want to for a while.

>>96397775
Glad I nabbed a 3D printer and a lot of resin before tariffs. I hope this goads more companies to sell STLs.

So better buy now whatever stuff from the UK you want, because chances are there wont be any restock for a while.

>>96397882
>implying you want to actually discuss the ramifications and not just start a /pol/shit fest.
Yeah. I don't believe you are being honest with your intent

>>96397962
Looks like it's tome to get a printer.

>>96398097
>no more Scotia Grendel figures
>can't get the daughters of Set from Australia now
>no more Victrix
>no more Warlord
God dammit it's gonna be fucking WGA as the big US manufacturer now.
Shit, guess it's time to pick up Quar.

>>96399032
haha yes another Quar W
I am still salty about not being able to get khurasan minis in EU. I want those goddamned rodent civil war minis

Where do you start with a game like Frostgrave or Silver Bayonet?

Just seems like there's such a massive collection of minis and supplements that it's hard to pick a starting point. I only want to pick up a small amount of minis to have as a slow burn side project where I can paint one mini here and there.

>>96399312
>where do you start with a game?
The core rulebook. Really.

>>96394782
Yeah, I messed up with the rules on pick-up weapons. It was 2 AM and I had just gotten off of playing the actually video games, so I mixed up what happens when Melee/Assault actions result in the kill with the standard results.

>>96397775
>>96397882
>>96397953
Unfortunate, but thanks for the heads up.

>>96387323
>Because I tried asking in the LGS Discord server and nobody answered.
get some friends, discord is for bitches who put in zero effort. Get a group to pledge investment into the game, play the game with them, others will show interest and show up. You have to be the change, a tabletop won't take off without you doing it.

>>96399609
>Get friends
So funny how normoids think this is easy, sorry kid but we have facial disfigurement

>>96399661
Have you tried?

>>96399727
Depends what trying means anon, in general yes, quite a lot of trying

>>96399732
I don't know really, it's not straightforward. Have you showed up to the LGS? Introduced yourself? Found common ground with people there? Where are you getting stuck?

>>96387312 (OP)
>TQ
Because I want to play Elites and the locals only have Recon starters.

>>96393109
...are you mixing me up with the warlord obsessed guy from the historical general?

I am not he, I was kinda looking forward to k47 for kitbashery and maybe plastic robots (which i'll probably still get as they scale creep doesnt matter there).

Yep to your last point, warlord dat coming up, we;ll see stuff that will be released one million years from now in sio-resin-laser

>>96399312
Yeah, the rulebook. Frostgrave is designed for using whatever D&D minis are kicking around pretty much, so you don't really need the branded stuff.

Is WGA classic fantasy battles ruleset gonna be good? Or am i gonna have to use these fags for warmaster?

>>96400237
Considering how clunky and dogshit Deathfields beta rules are, yeah probably stick to Warmaster

>>96400237
The company is run by boomers/grogs so I imagine they've got enough experience to make it halfway decent rule set.
>>96400357
What was wrong with it?

>>96400617
>initiative is based on colors
>number determines color
>if you miss, number goes down, if you hit number goes up which means if you miss the enemy's number goes up which means he doesn't get to go because that color activation range already passed
It's incredibly obtuse.

>>96400873
Is it meant to be a weird suppressing fire mechanic?

>>96393748
>>96393861
>>96393957
>>96394066
Thanks for the rundown. I'm still grinding my way through prepping stuff for battletech and 40k (I don't like playing with anything I haven't painted and prepped), but since there's a local scene for halo as well I might pick it up too.

>>96400237
Anon they bumped the standard 2-3 stands makes a unit to a whooping 9 (NINE) stands. It's going to be tailored to boost sales up. Do we really need one more corpo-rulebook in this hobby and do you want to reward that? I know I dropped it and expect nothing from it.

>>96400237
Fantastic Battles would be the ideal set of rules for those miniatures.

>>96401745
this

>>96401745
Aye aye, it's exactly what I intended to do myself. Not pretending it's the greatest game ever but for sure will beat up what they are desperatly trying to come up with despite having no fucking clue.

>>96400237
You shouldn't expect to get your rules and minis from the same company. Financial incentives make both products suffer.

>>96401654
The way they described unit set up reminded me of the old Arcane Legions game, which had some interesting ideas and lots of problems.
If tbe system turns out halfway decent, resin 3d printers will make it super cheap compared to the boxes.

>>96399776
The War Games expansion may be useful for you for now. While the actual models there are Spartans, that expansion also includes the updated Elites datacards as well as all the red-colored tokens used to indicate base enhancements. If you got a 3d printer, you can make 1 squad of Elites for now and later pick up one of their official ones later to both have a few official ones for people who stress about that and to max out on datacards for list building (you can only take up to two of one type of unit (ex. 2 Elites with Plasma Rifles and 2 Elites with Needlers but not 3 Elites with Needlers (as primary weapon - enhancements can let you give a Plasma Rifle Elite a Needler secondary))).

Spartans could be used as practice models for working with PVC or a loaner squad for bringing someone else in.

>>96401162
As a heads up, once you paint the minis, you are going to want to apply a layer of something clear to protect the paint job. The base models are made of PVC which makes them pretty durable, but it has a cost that if the paint is unsealed, it's more vulnerable to being rubbed off. You can sometimes get away with not doing this for some types of plastic, but PVC is not one of them.

>>96403247
I already prime and varnish all my minis, but thanks for the heads up, PVC is probably harder HIPS so I'll probably need to let the primer cure to keep from knocking it off painting.

Does Oathmark make for a good solo game? Thinking about giving it a go. I have this idea for a solo campaign as a means to build my kingdom. Instead of selecting my kingdom territories, I just select the capital city and then randomly generate all the other territories. I then have access only to the capital's units to begin with, and need to conquer the map by battling with other forces within the kingdom's zones, and either subjugating them to me, or ethnically cleansing them and replacing the territory with my own choice at a cost. Also think battles could be made more solo friendly by introducing random activation order rather than alternating, using a bag full of order tokens for each side.

>>96391518
Nice, thanks anon.

>>96402733
>Arcane Legions
Man. I still have some of those models knocking around somewhere.
Never really looked into the game.

>>96403841
>Does it work as a solo
Not very well on its own. Or at least no better than any other game that's not really built for it. Low-points games are kinda boring, especially if you're spamming multiples of the same unit, and some of the beefier things are really unbalancing below ~1200 points. If you have a decent AI rule set on hand for running solo games it could work.

>Chit-based initiative
Half-activations are an important part of the game, so you'll still want activation rolls. You'll also have to pull multiple chits at one time if you use the commander ability, or have a special chit for the commander. Should be doable, though.

So i fell off Malifaux in 3rd edition, whats the opinions on 4th?

I've seen the 2 player starter is back like 2nd only it also gives tokens which is nice. Felt like 3rd really just wanted beginners to download an app which most people just are not arsed to do.

Personally my only gripe with the starter is even less of the vibes in the art/aesthetic of the cards from 2nd is left and its gone from 3rd looking like art made in the bioshock infinite setting to almost feels like im looking at Team Fortress 2 menus.

Regardless i see the starts clockwork queen master eats scrap tokens so fuck Mei Feng i guess but i need to see how Nexus is going as she was my next crew i am painting up to get back in.

>>96406670
Most people seem to be happy with the core rules changes. There was a lot of controversy about the removal of damage flips, but most people that played in the beta came around and said it really does speed up the game a lot. One of the things I really like is that your master now gets a crew card that adds to all the models in your crew, so the second title masters didn't need to have their entire card dedicated to changing the play style.

The cards up on the Wyrd forums are pretty much what the final ones will look like. Cadmus dropped the 'spread damage around' shtick, instead using the havemind idea as a resource, where your key pieces can siphon life from another model to get a suit of their choice on a flip.

From a quick once over, Cadmus as a whole is about spreading Parasite tokens and throwing out webs to slow the enemy down. Nexus1 then turns excess Parasite tokens into damage and can channel actions through other models, while Nexus2is more about manipulation and summoning Eyes'n'ears.

>>96406670
The rule set is much better.
Faster, better balance.
But lately I struggle to care. I fell in love with the Sucker Punch 1st Ed vibes with tits and zombie hookers everywhere.
Now it's sanitized and extra PC.
IDK how much of that is actual changes and how much is just new art direction, but it doesn't hit the same.

>>96406939
Its funny because the mere existence of Ten Thunders has the game declared in some circles are racist and orientalist.

Me i just loved my simple 2nd edition Redchapel and Foundry. Seamus and Molly with their ghouls and Mei and her rail golems.

>>96406903
So i picked up all the Cadmus keyword stuff last year which came with Nexus and the Nexus thats three parasite kids, is that still the two variations of the master or did they cut one and now its pick a card for the spider lady?

>>96406976
Both versions are usable. The crew cards are in addition to the master you choose; each version has their own card and dedicated totem (Though the Nexus that's 3 kids don't have a totem, since you get 3 master models with them).

So Nexus1, the spider lady, has her own rules that are completely different to the 3 kids version. In addition, you get the Hivemind crew card with her, that gives all your models the ability to plink damage when they apply extra Parasite tokens (since models can only have one copy of a token at a time now) and the ability to use soulstones to give enemy models Parasite tokens; and all your unique models an attack action that swaps models around. So most models in 4th look lean on rules compared to the older editions, but that's because they all get 2-3 extra rules and actions from the crew card.

There are some models that have been relegated to proxies for other models, but the newest crews like the Explorer's or any of the crews introduced in 3rd don't have to worry. The models that became proxies are older models that, generally, the molds have worn down to being unusable.

Ironcore Panzerjaeger are actually nicer than I expected them to be. Think they might be the core of a "clone trooper" army.

>>96406946
>racist and orientalist
I wish it was more racist and orientalist desu.
Only coolies and kungfu allowed.

>>96406939
Yeah, the new figures are, and I hate to use the term, soulless. No passion, no interest, no humanity. Just designed by corporate committee to check off boxes instead of any vision.
Reminds me of AoS.

>>96403793
>PVC is probably harder HIPS
No, vinyl is soft and bendy, polystyrene is more rigid and dense. Obviously, the properties can be changed with additives, but they are two completely different polymers.

BIG BOIS

>>96394471
they look sick, the double layered turrets look awesome and it keeps the overall design aestetic of the og battleships. the only thing that sucks is that there isnt the custom options/orentations for the bow/ engines but ill take that loss for the kit being in plastic now because my god tt resin is ass

your baguettes are done mon ami

>>96410343
whoever their in house painter is, must be really fucking good because the amount of detail in just the dudes in the back is crazy to do on a model that small

>>96410343
How is this game? I vaguely recall it came out and I was interested in some of the models but then there were prioprietary dice and cards and I got the ick

>>96410434
is really fun, now that more factions are coming out that each have really unique units and play styles now would be a good time to jump in. the proprietary dice for wasnt a big deal because i used to play star wars armada and that had proprietary dice too and i didnt care then since the game was good. the cards on the otherhand are more complicated, each card has a one time benefit for a unit and then its discarded or it can be used to score vp outside of the scenario. the cards are also used for morale tests by drawing one form the deck checking the value on the card vs the morale number on the unit and if its lower then it passes. the cards haven't bothered me when i played, every faction uses the same pool of cards for their decks. so no one faction has a busted deck of useful cards and others are shit. they all use the same sixty even if they have their faction theme on them they're all the same deck of cards. i haven't ran into a situation where my opponent plays a card and suddenly i lose because there was no way of knowing what cards he had in hand. also since everyone uses the same deck you, once you learn the game and start playing a lot you can anticipate what cards they have in their hand by what they're doing on the board. that being said though if the cards aren't your thing you can always house rule and remove them and anytime you have to roll a morale/ rally test just roll 2d6 since the max is 12

>>96410434
another nice thing about the game is that all the faction specific rules are online so you're not having to rebuy new faction rules books everytime a new edition comes out. warcradle learned from dystopian wars when they were making armored clash and the unit books are really easy to read and have a lot of lore in them for each individual unit

>>96410328

Yeah, but the Dropfleet stuff isn't so bad since you have pretty wide contact points. You do have to remember to really rinse them from whatever it is that they're covered in though.
The real nightmare is their Rumbleslam stuff. The oversized Scarab from their Egyptian themed team was a goddamn nightmare.

>>96409621
>Impervious Flesh
I think someone on the dev team just relearned this was a rule.

>>96410375
It's the guy working for Warlord.

What are your thoughts on buying direct from a company versus ordering from third parties with a discount?

I always used to buy third party when I played GW games because obviously they're a massive corporation and set their prices higher than they need or should. However, when I buy something like an Oathmark or a Frostgrave kit, I wonder if buying direct from North Star would actually make a significant difference for a much smaller business like them? This is obviously not to mention the truly small businesses run by like two people who don't even have third party stores as an option.

>>96411957
I live in Burgertown so usually I have to order direct from overseas companies since many independents don't carry those ranges.

>>96411957
It's nice to help out creators you like, but ultimately it's your hobby money you don't owe it to anyone.

>>96411957
I generally buy directly from my LGS or other hobby store if possible. They can generally get some kind of discounting on shipping or some other metric due to bulk purchasing, and they tend to buy direct from manufacturer so said original company is supported as well.

If not there, I tend to buy direct from the company if its an option (or wherever they officially sell it if they don't have a page) as I've gotten a bit more reliable of an experience.

Resellers can be useful, but I tend to only go for them if I know the person. Found it gets pretty easy to be burned.

I avoid shit like Amazon like the plague unless I have no real other option - including 3d printing. Sure, maybe an individual set might be cheaper, but the places are designed to have you spend on more things than you want to.

>>96411957
It helps the company a lot to order first party. As in they usually get 5-10x the actual profit on their merchandise compared to third-party sales. I did a bit of a breakdown over at >>96329748 in the last Infinity thread on what the actual economics look like for a miniatures company. For plastic, sub out the bits about metal and resin costs for >you need to make back a shitload of money outside the production/facilities/shipping costs to start making actual profit. Can be tens of thousands of dollars, depending on the quality of your frames and the number of frames in the kit
Mold plates are still damned pricey despite better CNC making them cheaper and improving the overall detail you can get for the same price

So, yeah. I tend to check my LGS first because I'd rather keep their tables open and lights on. After that I tend to buy third-party when I need things the company itself doesn't provide - used minis, single sprues, dramatically cheaper shipping, and the like. It's also nice to just order a single package from someone like Recreational Warfare or MichToy when I'm buying crap from six different companies.

>>96413471
Best looking Mk4 so far.

>>96413471
Also, looking at that dude in the left background, I think he might be a Warcaster, not a Warlock. That big dude seems robotic.

>>96413619
Err, right background.

>>96413619
Yeah, its definitely a jack. He might be a junior caster that gets a 80mm jack, since its clearly bigger than the dire troll on the left.

>>96413471
>Vietnam monster men
I'm kept in perpetual awe that there are people who like this stuff.

>>96414054
I bought Japanese schoolgirls with guns and katanas from Eureka recently. Trust me, there's niches for everything.
Fucking Quar is WW1 anteaters featuring the Brittish Empire VS the German-Russian Communists and its funky cool.

>>96413802
Raluk was so great the first time around, we better give him a fennblade to nerf him
>>96414054
4 dozen 40k threads in the catalog to turn your nose up at, and you wandered in here

>>96414677
I love those minis. Pity their oop and rarer than hens teeth

>>96414863
Considering CMON is about to go the way of Spartan Games, someone'll buy the IP and do something with it.
But not Darklands. Darklands is just never coming back ever.

>>96411957
>buying direct from a company versus ordering from third parties with a discount?

Here (Germany) this usually means: Ordering from UK (with all the additional hassles and cost that involves), or ordering for a lower price from a german game store that also runs an online shop.

I used to order a lot from the UK some years ago, but its not worth it any longer.

Assembled a bunch of Dwarves now and want to paint what I've got built so far, so slapped on some different colours to figure out a paint scheme. The red I think looks too obviously Roman. Quite like both the green and the sand schemes though. Thought about going for a variety of colours for shields, but whenever I've tried that in the past it ends up looking like a mess rather than a colourful mix. So, probably going to stick to just one colour scheme across the whole army.

>>96406670
>So i fell off Malifaux in 3rd edition, whats the opinions on 4th?
It’s more fast-paced, beginner-friendly and accessible than 3e was, which for me means it’s a downgrade. If you like playing mindless aggro crews and got PTSD from playing against Jack/Pandora/any other obnoxious control crews in previous editions you might like it.

It’s still one of the better games on the market though, but it’s been going downhill since they re-hired their incompetent Lead Dev from early 2e.

Left is wizkids lotr tradeable miniatures game right is games workshop lotr strategy battle game. 2003 vs 2002. I find it interesting the models have the same pose. It's also interesting 2 miniature war games were on sale for lotr at the same time. Gw must not have had any exclusive rights to it yet

>>96418222
Probably both based on the same promotional shot.

>>96418302
I cant find the source of the pose right now, it feels like something he pulled in the movie. I am sure they had a promo shot and based it on it, with production time they both could have been drafted around the same time. But it's pretty cool and unique to see the same pose on the same character from 2 different game.

>>96414054
>>>/hwg/

Anyone tried onepage rule fantasy regiments at 10mm?
Just wonders what base sizes you would use

>>96403841
Why are the elves teaming up with brown swarthy orcs to kill their fellow white dwarves?
Is Joseph McCullough Jewish or something?

>>96419452
meds

>>96411440
that guy is a baller then, some of the stuff hes painted for warcradle is awesome

>>96419452
Literal egg head

I love games with random activation, chosen via drawn dice, cards, tokens, etc.

>>96420619
Some nice men in white coats will be with you shortly.

>>96420619
Someone's bound to agree with you, because they keep making random activation games.

>>96420619
I do like that, but command friction I think has more draw to me. That your figures won't magically do what you tell them to do.

>>96420619
I tend to prefer leader models getting their own activation phase with the ability to activate a handful of mooks along with them, then everyone without direct leadership goes in a later phase.

>>96403841
>Does Oathmark make for a good solo game?
Can do. It's not especially designed for it, but I've seen people do solo campaigns, Ash and Stone on youtube notably has a long running series of series.

>>96414886
>CMON
>buys a great mini line and game
>ceases production
A tale as old as a decade now. I'm glad their going, I want Darkage minis, and the rest, back.

>>96423205
Comes with the KS boom&bust model. You start a line, flood the market so that's no financial ineterest to carry the line and then maybe relaunch it a few years later with a new KS if the stock has run out and there's still interest.

>>96389251
>>96389262
look up the Euchites for an additional bit of potential inspiration;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchites

Does anyone know of any good toolboxy generic mass battle sci-fi rules? The sci-fi equivalent of something like Fantastic Battles or Midgard, which can accommodate the difference between small arms and heavy weapons, tanks/walkers with penetration values, etc.? Just looking for a one stop set of rules that I can use across whatever sci-fi settings I want to game.

>>96423923
If you want generic slop just use OPR, there really isn't anything that works for every single situation than that. It does everything at once, but nothing well.
Anyways, "mass battle" for sci-fi is pretty stupid unless you're playing some combined arms stuff at like 6mm or 10mm. Modern warfare really lends itself to having men spread out very far in really small groups because of the way ranged and explosive weapons work. I imagine in a sci-fi battle this would be even more pronounced, unless you're actually interested in some 40k type shit where you have giant blobs of just all mashed together behind a single wall, with the enemy all scrunched behind a single wall a few inches away on a tiny ass table

>>96424588
yeah I should have been clearer, I'm talking about 6mm, maybe even 3mm if I get round to collecting some.

>>96423923
Exodus wars.

How come, with the popularity of Call of Duty and Battlefield and stuff, there isn't more interest in modern warfare gaming?

>>96426255
CoD-heads are too lazy to recreate the militaryporn in tabletop.

>>96426255
Modern wargames are a special circumstance because they're so relevant and we have so much source material and experience with the "setting" that you really have to put a lot of effort into making extremely realistically terrain or else the it just looks weird and uncanny

>>96396827
Zvezda had an attempt of going into Sci-Fi. Even their fantasy adventures with Ring of Rule are kind of remembered. Most people prefer to not even think about the sci-fi one. It was dead on arrival and was an absolute clusterfuck on all fronts both rules and model wise.

>>96423923
From Nordic Weasel: Laserstorm 2nd Edition (comes with an unit builder and all), 5core Company with the Space supplement. There's also Strike Legion: Planetary Operations for operational level games but I think you could scale down to company level.

New edition of K47 requires that you use "advanced or specialist" infantry, so, probably all stuff not from Bolt Action

>>96428420
Can also take just a single walker if you want.

>>96428420
I'm okay with that. I know one of the selling points has been "Take your BA army and add some new stuff to it to make it Konflikt army", but its still nice to see that the whole point of Konflikr is still a priority. In the end, it is all about bringing those funky elements to the table.

>>96429214
Yeah, 1st Ed K47's big weakness was that it was basically JUST Weird War 2 turrets on tanks and a very occasional unit of power armor

>>96414863
Miniature Market was selling those Nasier boxes for like 2.97$ and my dumb brain was saying don't be a hoarder, you don't need 3, but I should have done it, I used up the 2 boxes I had.

Does anyone know of any rules that really stand out for having good mechanics for sieges or just generally very assymetrical games of attack vs defence?

Turning more and more into a reclusive solo gamer, and think those sorts of scenarios would probably work best. A good castle project that I could then game on again and again would certainly keep me busy.

Mornin' /awg/.
Anvilindustry is holding a sale on their resin cast models.
Anybody ever worked with those bits to vouch for their quality or lack of it?

>>96430447
I printed quite a lot of their STL files, and in their default scale, they are a bit on the smaller "perry-scale" size. Good stuff tho.
I would assume their resin casts are identical in scale.

The beta rules for OPR 3.5 will be published on Monday. The update is focused on army books and a custom rule generator for the army forge website. The latter could be really interesting.

Any Fallout WW fans here? I've been waiting for the Hoover Dam bundle to come back in stock for several years and it clearly isn't gonna happen, so I'm planning to buy the individual NCR and Legion boxes from a retailer in my country. My question is, does anyone have scans of the cards/printed materials? I can print them off on cardstock if I have a PDF or somesuch

>>96430802
also how many minis per side for the average game? im wondering to get all 3 boxes for both sides or just start off with the regular troops for each

>>96430821

Honestly it's not that much for WW. Five or six models can sometimes be enough.

Anyone used Trumpeter MASTER TOOLS 09990 SINGLE BLADE NIPPER? If yes, would you recommend it or not?

>>96387312 (OP)
>Why aren't you playing Halo Flashpoint yet?
1. Shitty 343i armor designs
2. No elites
3. No marines
4. No vehicles
5. Meant to replicate multiplayer TDM instead of in-universe battles

>>96432715
Elites are there.

>>96423923
>which can accommodate the difference between small arms and heavy weapons, tanks/walkers with penetration values, etc.?
Strike Legion, yes.
>>96427211
>Planetary Operations
There's a version of Strike Legion for every scale, for skirmish to larger scale (and each are compatible! So you can zoom in or out of a conflict).
Planetary Operations is there to represent the strategic level.

>>96420619
Heyyyy that's my terrain!
So that's how it feels

>>96432715

Elites were in at the start as >>96433535 says and we're getting ODST at some point as well. So there's that. If I recall, someone said the game that it's ruleset is lifted from doesn't really do vehicles all that well at this scale. And this is really more a close range breach and clear firefight sort of game.

Which reminds me, did TTCombat ever release that 24mm close quarters game? Did we ever see the rules even?

>>96435712
Striketeam? They put out a video during the Kickstarter that showed off a bit of gameplay, but nothing since then I've seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ilqkHU2-0
Think it's expected to be out early next year.

>>96430937
Oh cool, so say the NCR ranger patrol and Legion veterans would be all I needed, to start off at least?

>>96437769
>to start off at least?
Absolutely.
You can always add more after the first couple of games if you want to try new things or simply want more units.

>>96424645
>Exodus wars
First time I hear about this one. I can't even find it on wargame vault.
It's the a video game?

>>96429961
I grabbed a couple too. Be still haven't used them.

>>96423824
Thanks, I did, good inspiration.

>>96418222
Left is not wiz kids it’s sabretooth

>>96440493
You are right! They are a lot better than wotc bendies. They've suprised me, and the game is also really good too. I'm suprised they didnt keep the combat hex thing going.

Malifaux 2nd edition's .5 update was its peak and i'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

>>96442676
Guessing those are the modular heavies, which makes this guy shown before probably the heavy from the command starter
The sniper is probably a caster, too. So that sniper and those trolls might be the battlegroup box.

>>96443093
I wonder who it is on staff that has a thing for snipers with foxes.

>>96419452
Knife ears can never be trusted. They will consort with orcs to kill hapless miners so they can pin the blame onto the orcs.

What's the /tg/ verdict on Wasteland Warfare? I'm a Fallout fan and thought it'd be fun to collect my favourite factions. Is it the type of game you can just do pickup games for, or is it really meant for the RPG-style campaign thing?

Anyone got the latest version of the Age of Fantasy regiments book, version v3.4.1
Would love the full book with all the extra rules

Alright guys,
If (You) personally had the ability to create you own ideal version of the PERFECT wargame and it turned out to be wildly successful - what does your game look like? What genre, what features, etc.?

>>96446225
A modular, build-a-mech, mech wargame
a proper epic/warmaster style fantasy game

>>96446225
Fantasy mechs (call them golems or whatever I don't give a shit) fighting big monsters like trolls, dragons, and balrogs. Low model count battles between big bois.

>>96446263
>A modular, build-a-mech, mech wargame
did obsidian protocol ever fully release? That was the closest we got to that I think and I was pretty interested, but lost sight of it during all the delays

>>96446225
I would love a narrative campaign style game in the same vein as Mordheim, Frostgrave, etc. with all the between game progress, items, base building, look, hiring mercs, etc. except with the ability to custom make your guys similar to Brutal Quest or Planet28 instead of the premade Mordheim warbands. I love the 3rd party NPCs from Frostgrave but I'd like to see them more fleshed out. I would like to see better combat rules, as both Mordheim and Frostgrave leave A LOT to be desired.

Secondly I would love a mid sized late medieval fantasy game where you troops are in rank and flank, but can "break formation" to assault inside buildings, through castle gates, pillage towns, etc. I love narrative aspect, and I have how it's basically impossible to do all these things in rank and flank games. Why would my dudes stay in formation atop a castle ramparts they just stormed? Traditional rank and flank structure have it basically impossible to utilize terrain in any way except LoS and movement blocking. Honestly NMtBH does late medieval combat very well, I would love to see it modified to accommodate what I just mentioned, and the ability to customize commanders to have specific abilities and traits to make them feel more unique, and finally a much better fantasy supplement than the one it has.

Pic related

>>96446225
3-5 people who are as excited to play it as I am.

A fantasy campaign game as >>96446620 said would be nice. What I would really like to play is something with that "episodic" feel - each session is a new challenge with new things to see. That would require a lot of GM support in addition to the versus rules.

>>96446225
Kobolds and Cubicles. A fantasy office skirmish game using standard playing cards for RNG.
It would be boardgame esque with grid based combat but include rules to go gridless using the playing cards to measure distances.
Campaign system with multiple teams doing stuff like managing firing, hiring, and team building exercises between skirmish games. Different teams like marketing or humanoid resources would get different bonuses during this campaign step.
All the employees would have two different stat cards. One meant for "normal day at the office" stuff where units can't harm each other but instead inflict stress on each other. The other meant for all out brawling as someone goes postal.
Lots of environmental interactions as people can chat at the water cooler to destress or throw office equipment at each other while brawling.
Scenarios varying from
>Find out who's been stealing lunches from the office fridge
To
>Murder the Boss

From there the have would expand with an RPG based on the setting and other skirmish games using the similar rules for cross compatibility so you could play street gangs fighting the local disgruntled office workers or the local Highschool's AV club.

>>96446516
Dunno, might be stuck in some kickstarter stuff.

I should get to writing again, the problem is just alway getting some models for the games

>>96446225
Precure style magical girl asymmetric skirmish game. Girls always win eventually but the game is scored by how many goons the villains used, catching civilians, knocking them down, and so on.
Northstar plastic range of Xgrave compatible little girls in frilly dresses to encourage crossover kitbash retardation.

>>96446225
Sexy anime girl armies.
Lots of different styles, like maids versus clone girls vs gynoids.
D10 based.
Rules for random faction generation, each with a narrative campaign and solo rules where your army of mooks has to face down one or two op bullshit super soldiers.
Snipers, artillery, aerial support, none of that is on the table. It's in the game, but are not figures.

Does anyone know of a miniature with a similar vibe to pic related? It's a concept art of Sauron by Warren Mahy, and I think the regal style fits it much better than GW's take on it. Maybe even a 54 mm mini that I could alter into something like this (although it might end up looking like shit since I don't have any sculpting skills at all).
Otherwise, how expensive is it to get a custom mini sculpted?

>>96448294
What exactly is "regal" about this except he has good posture and a Hollywood style super hero cape?

>>96448378
The armor is a bit more restrained but still very ornate. The way he's holding the mace at rest, and his pose, yeah. I just like it better than the GW version, honestly.

Man some of these new Warcrow minis are pretty fun.

>>96449053
>Venus of Willendorf
>Has a face
8/10

>>96449053
For whatever reason warcrow is doing nothing for me. Maybe because the first factions they showed off were generic humans vs generic orcs followed by slightly less generic demons.
There has been many wargames like this that have come and died. I think the models look great for artisan painting contests, an average battle ready job probably won't.

>>96446225
It has the vibe of duel monsters era yugioh, its all twisted and malicious, and it used 15-25 models per army.

>>96445516
>What's the /tg/ verdict on Wasteland Warfare?
There are at least three verdicts depending on who you ask. All of them agree that it's basically fine.
>IMO
* Too much proprietary bullshit on the table for what it offers. Especially cards, although a special dishonorable mention goes out to the 2mm critical hit counters
* The minis are decent, with the resin being much higher-quality than the PVC
* Ruleset is decently flexible
>Is it the type of game you can just do pickup games for, or is it really meant for the RPG-style campaign thing?
You can do both. The setup for pickup games is a bit of a pain in the ass, whereas you do a lot of it once in a campaign and then it's just maintenance.

>I'm a Fallout fan and thought it'd be fun to collect my favourite factions
This is Not a Test is a universal post-apoc game that also does all the fallout factions quite well. It has good crossover potential if some of your friends want to do post-apoc but don't give a shit about Fallout. Several of the guys at my local play it with their old Warcry or Necromunda gangs, one of them has Ceasar's Legion, another one has a BoS team led by two very nasty Paladins, I've used a group of trailer-trash mutie cannibals led by a meemaw with a taser in a sundress and a squad of 1980s African paratroopers led by a techno-witch doctor and a Commie "advisor". If you want to do Synths specifically, there's a 1e supplement with an all-Droid warband that's still usable.

>>96446225
>glorantha style bronze age fantasy game with trolls, barbarians, dark dwarves, plant men elves who eat people, rapemen with horns
>barsoom/vsf/tremorden rederring type game with build a bear walkers, landships and airships as plsstic kits

>>96446620
You need to look into of Armies and Hordes
>no movement rates, board is broken up into terrain fautures with difficulty in crossing, stacking limit, elevation
>your units can form columns or skirmish etc
>you can have an rpg party as a unit pop down a mineshaft for a mid battle dungeon crawl and bring back a magic item

>>96449053
Actually really fucken dig that. Can't wait to lose the custom dice and tokens and /awg/ with these guys. I'm like this with every game...

>>96452969
>>96446225
>A Barsoom game that's not from 1976
>with grav-skiffs
>And Tharks
>And Red Martian bitches with their tits out carrying Civil War cavalry sabers
Fucking this.
(Samurai Cat optional, but awesome)
For other Anon: Bombshell's got a group of almost-Martians called the "Nierans" that have really good VSF weapons and design. Could pass as female Tharks.

>>96453377
Forgot my damn picture

>>96446620
>NMtBH
Never Mind the Bollock.....Historical?

>>96453377
No I wouldn't tie either to a property. You guys are always doing that. I want to get away from that... it dangles something you love and takes it away. Make up your own settings even if just for an afternoon.

>>96446225
>and it turned out to be wildly successful
This feels like it would monkey paw the whole thing.
Success bring the competitive crowd in the mix, which in turns ruins everything.
Otherwise, here are a few niches which are surprisingly still left gameless, which I would love to see filled:
>Scifi submarine combat
Like Stingray, Sea Quest, Aquanox, Submarine Titans etc…
Mandatory inclusion: giant sea monsters AND Abyss-style biotech aliens.
>Gaslands, but for kitbashing air kits
The game is about dogfight between retrofuturistic interwar aircrafts:
Biplanes, zeppelins, seaplanes… Throw some stats for fighting King Kong, UFOs and pterodactyls in the mix, for good measure.
>>96446286
>Fantasy mechs
+1 for this one, but I’ll raise you one even better: make it Escaflowne and have the possibility to pit mechs against/alongside full army formations and siege weapons.
>>96446620
>narrative campaign style game
Also +1 for this one.
It’s low fantasy hyborian age style, your team are raiding forbidden ruins and fighting naked savages and guardians of the ruins, both living and undead.
You start with a hero and a few companions, grab treasure, use them to buy more retinues and come back for more.

>>96454015
>Scifi submarine combat

God. This. I've wanted this ever since I discovered In the Hunt on MAME.

Thoughts on the Skyrim game and miniatures by Modiphius?

Looks like it has a lot of cards and book keeping, which I dislike. But, thinking of picking up some miniatures at the very least to start a collection, if the minis are decent quality, and maybe use some other rules for skirmishes if I don't like the system.

>>96454015
Warmaster scale Escaflowne is now on my play before I die list. Appropriate timeline too, since the Wares Blade RPG English translation comes out soon.

>>96454015
>Zeppelin V Pterodactyls
If only we lived in the world where that film came to pass.

>>96455670
It seems like it would have been hard to film on Hammer's "Bavarian Village" set.

>>96446286
Would that be solo/Coop golems vs monsters ?

>>96454470
As someone who has; don't.
Specialty dice & cards galore, the minis are in a wonky 30mm-ish scale and look out of size next to everything else. Full MSRP is too much, and they have a very fiddly assembly, like a cross between modern Malifaux and Robotech RPG Tactics. Minimal mould lines, but varying degrees of mould release agent, depending on plastic or resin kit. The resin is also very brittle.
You can find pretty much everything they offer in better quality for less cost elsewhere.

>>96456082
You need a set for the gondola, a biplane cockpit, and pretty much everything else is either models or background paintings. Can even use the 'bavarian village' as where the pilot crashes and recovers.
Matte paintings and stop-motion are expensive, sadly.

>>96446225
A company level 15mm scale fantasy wargame with some light tech elements and low level magic (ex, blackpowder firearms, maybe trains and airships, but no teleporting wizards or giant unit destroying fireballs) with super customizable unit equipments.
Alternating activation but enough randomness and some zany rules to scare off WAAC's

>>96454470
The minis are nice, but you pay a licensed IP premium.
I can't comment on the games.

>>96454470
>ODST
My brother and I love the game, hate the miniatures. I dislike working with Resin and Modi Resin is always particularly fiddly. The game uses custom dice, but they work really well for the game, don't be put off by normie opinions, custom dice are fine. The solo stuff is fun and the coop side of things lets you create some super fun adventures vs the AI, which can be punishing. Get it cheap if you can, because the miniatures will ruin your fun, but once their assembled you can enjoy a real good game. Also, Fallout Wasteland Warfare from Modi is excellent, it's my favourite skirmish game. But it uses custom dice too, so again, don't let that prevent you from playing one of the best games in the past decade.

>>96459139
>Alternating activation
Low IQ

Has anyone her actually tried War Stuff? Seems fun, but nothing to be taken seriously.

>>96459650
Looks like it's for children

>>96459660
Don't most wargames?

>>96459674
Most wargames are targeted at teens and younger men. That looks like its targeting young children (10 and younger)

>>96459708
Seems fair enough

>>96459674
Not historical wargames

Just found out Conquest is in 38mm scale so the models I was planning on buying for a model agnostic game are now too big to work. Any other zombie/skeleton soldiers with large shields?

Admittedly I never got into Quar or knew anything about it but this entire time I thought This Quars War was based on some old English comic and its actually just the brainchild of some Oakland dude whose been daydreaming about the Quar universe and adding to it since he was 11 and designed by a guy whose never touched a WW1 historical wargame or cares much at all about WW1 history.

anyways I played Quar this weekend. Good game but the mechanic where no one can really die until the player fails a medic check (rolls 1-2) made the game kind of a real slog

>>96460625
>Any other zombie/skeleton soldiers with large shields?
https://www.victrixlimited.com/en-us/collections/plastic-shields
Pick an era, add plastic skeletons of your choice. If you're specifically wedded to the Iron Age/Roman thing, then Wargames Atlantic's zombie box has half a dozen Roman and Saxon heads plus some bare heads and early Medieval helms on every sprue. There are a bunch of extra arms too. If you know someone who's interested in a different period you could easily split the box, or see if someone's selling the Roman heads for cheap.

>>96461867
Oh those are perfect shields. Thank you!

Do yall think I have rnough Weird War 2 stuff?

I vaguely remember some discussion about Warmaster Revolutions.
At this point it is an /awg/ thing, right?

Any experts here able to decipher the contents of WGA's Boneblades to know if they are good for starting an undead army?
https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/all/products/boneblades

>>96462171
>Any experts here able to decipher the contents of WGA's Boneblades to know if they are good for starting an undead army?
Not an expert, but it's literally just ten bases' worth of skeleton infantry with some command stands and a pile of skulls. For Vampire Countts you could paint some of them green to be an Ethereal Host and maybe put gold trim for Grave Guard but beyond that you need some other options to have a viable Warmaster army. At standard points values one box is about 300 points or a bit more than an eighth of an army. If you stretch it with Ethereals you could squeeze two boxes up to about a third of one.
For Fell Bats Reaper sells some cheap vampire bats that'd work with a little chopping and sculpting to change the tombstones into rocky outcrops or ruined buildings.
https://www.reapermini.com/search/bat/sku-up/03355
https://www.reapermini.com/search/bat/sku-up/07071 (Bones version of the pewter one above)
https://www.reapermini.com/search/bat/sku-up/07058
and this dude https://www.reapermini.com/search/bat/sku-up/03902 could be a fun Winged Nightmare.

Tomb Kings use more skeleton infantry than the VC. Again it's ~300 points out of 2000. I'd put money on WGA having a skeleton cavalry/chariot and an archer set in the pipe, which would flesh out most of their line infantry options. A bone giant is just a 28mm skeleton and a bunch of people do passable siege engines and sphinxes.

>>96461920
I'd say 2-5 more squads/vehicle groups so that you can substitute some of your other models while trying different compositions and you are golden.
Maybe add some infantry mortar teams? Or other crew served weapons.

>>96460625
image not wanting to play undead byzantium ogres

>>96462531
It doesn't fit my looooooooore!
I'll still probably use some of the more monstrous units. Maybe the Bone Golems.

>>96461920
It sure looks like a partly 3D printed army where you got models from multiple different places.

>>96462264
>>96462171
..I'm definitely not an expert, I realized I was misremembering the unit rules - each unit is three stands. So each box of Boneblades is just three units of Skeletons and enough extra bodies to make an incomplete third unit with two stands. Which means the whole box is only worth about 100 points in Warmaster (30 ₧ / unit). 2-3 boxes would be $50-75 and with an extra box of bases would get you set up for 7-10 units of regular skeleton infantry plus some bonus units for raise dead.

It's still a pretty decent deal compared to metals - those run about $10-15 per three-stand unit, vs. ~$25 for three and a half units. 3DP stuff is all over the map. Pendraken has a pretty good auxiliary deal for ~$90 (US) or ~£65, with a bunch of artillery and necromancers plus one unit each of archers and cavalry with three of infantry. They don't have wardogs or bats, and use a different base, but you can solve one of those problems with a hacksaw.
https://www.pendraken.co.uk/10mm-12mm-fantasy-undead (UK)
https://darkhorsehobbies.com/c/10mm-scale-undead-fantasy-gaming-miniatures-590 (US)

>>96461798
Beautiful board

>>96454470
I really like it, especially coop adventure mode.
Didn't have any problems with the models, don't know why others anons hate them.
Now they are putting everything in MMF for 3DP and next models releases will be digital only.

>>96462171
Am I the only one who thinks that these skeletons look wierd with helmets?

>>96463405
I don't think that gold was the right choice for the bands on the helmet.

>>96463405
>>96463568
I think it's both. All the helmets make them look a little too uniform.
It's strange that there aren't more bare heads given bare bobble head is the signature look for the 28mm skellies

>>96387312 (OP)
What's with the obsession with cards in every modern game? Maybe this is nothing new, but I don't remember ever seeing this ten years ago.
Warmachine is picking up steam at my LGS and I can't understand why they shoehorned command cards into an otherwise solid system.

>>96467696
They are just generic abilities to help with rough match-ups and even the playing field between armies, anon. Same reason the spell rack exists.

>>96461920
>jeets in power armor
Rip white women

Any decent miniature agnostic cyberpunk games, I know of Reality's Edge but not any others.

>>96467696
Depends entirely on how they're used imo.

>>96468046
I like Song’s faction/commander cards, more or less, but in Necromunda the tactics cards feel so tacked on. Hope >>96467743 is true and warmachine handles them well, I haven’t gotten a game in yet. And if not, there’s always 3.5

>>96467696
Cards are the contemporary game designer's crutch.
They are celebrated and enjoyed by everyone, and a pushback against them has yet to materialize.
I also hate cards.
But we haters are nowhere near critical mass yet. As of today, cards are seen as a design solution with no negatives.

>>96467696
Same reason GW packed games with them in the 90s. They let you have a load of disconnected one-off shit and keep things hidden from the other player. Also they're an extra tactile component. It gives a game a much stronger identity than a book full of tables.
I don't really like them, but the attraction should be fairly obvious.

So does Warmachine have a chance at making a comeback?

>>96461786
>the mechanic where no one can really die until the player fails a medic check (rolls 1-2) made the game kind of a real slog
how so? people just kept medic-ing up out of action models?

>>96470086
Possibly, their new models are way better than those at the start of MK4. They either changed artists or whoever was their art director started beating them harder so that they would keep to the overall game style properly.

>>96470138
I very much like the recent preview shots that I saw. Pricing up a small force left me shocked however - it seems very expensive.

>>96462171
I'm really glad WGA managed to fix the thicc shield problem their dwarves are plagued with, but unholy freak on a lich those skellies aren't looking dead at gaming distance.

>>96467696
>Maybe this is nothing new, but I don't remember ever seeing this ten years ago.
It's a very old thing that came back in fashion because it got cheap. Early on, you needed more money to print cards. But think Warhammer 40k 2e, Clan War, Deadlands, etc. There's always been a trickle of games with cards, Kickstarter and Chinese slave labor made it a flood.
>Pros
Cards always use a dependent probability (what comes next is influenced by what came last) and the designer can skew them as they see fit
Likewise, wargear cards automatically place a limit (in theory) on duplicate items. Can be a balance thing
Hidden information and resource storing. Kensei did this particularly well. Cards can also be used as objective markers, pre-assigned treasure stashes, and the like
They add feelies and another place for art or story elements in a game, and can increase a box's perceived value. Even if the game only uses a regular deck of playing cards, custom decks are a common impulse purchase (see: Blood and Plunder, Deadlands, et. al.)
Quick reference to rules without opening the book

>Cons
For scummy creators, they're a great gacha/chase element. It's one of the ways Xwing and Armada pumped sales numbers; put critical cards for one ship into another box, especially cards you "need" multiples of. And of course that ship works best with some stuff from box #3..
Cards physically degrade very quickly, especially if you need to shuffle them multiple times per game. They're relatively easy to lose and often difficult to replace
It's extremely hard to effectively errata a card without a new print run, and using errata with them interrupts gameplay constantly. You might as well just have a table at that point. This bit Xwing in the ass.
Cards inevitably slow down setup and teardown: they usually also drag down gameplay, especially if there are a lot of rules on each card. They add a lot of "churn", so people can feel like they're doing more even with a shallow set of rules

I noticed some shadokesh models on the WGA release schedule. How many different boxes of shadokesh did dreamforge games produce back in the day? I like the sleek and lanky look these guys had.

>>96461920
Ma'am show bobs and vagene. You have no choice now

>>96387323
That really sucks bro. My LGS has people playing Halo, Trench Crusade, and some other skirmish games. Along with a healthy amount of Old World players.

Unfortunately I'm now moving to another country, so that's probably all going out the window.

>>96471796
I believe they did only 2.
But there must have been some unreleased stuff when the company went under. They had teased at all sorts of vehicles and things that never made it to plastic.

Post dice! These are from the sabretooth games lord of the rings readable miniature game. They have nice symbols, grey ones for mountain troll. They have really nice red ones with the eye of sauron on it and they have cool bubbles inside, they catch the light. And there is a glow in the dark one too, for the army of the dead.
I got them sealed for 4 quid, what a steal

>>96473384
I like these dice, they're oop Basilea dice from Mantic.

>>96473753
Im mixed. Makes sense if the shape is circular. Its trash to get a cool logo and it is a fail one not a chad 6.

>>96461920
Needs a gyrocopter

>>96473692
Are the basiliea models as bad as they look? Those dice look slimey but tasty

>>96473816
>Are the basiliea models as bad as they look?
Old ones are sickeningly bad, new ones are alright, but not amazing. As per usual, it's hard to tell what they're really like because Mantic's paint job fucking sucks.

I haven't taken the time to look more into them, but is there a difference between 5Parsecs and Stargrave in a sense of what they are trying to achieve and give as a system to the players?
I mean they both have this strong random table based campaign/narrative systems with customized warbands and solo play as their core, right?

>>96461798
very neat board I love the idea of the riverbed trench

>>96446225
a bit like competitive kingdom death crossed with mordheim but steampunk, with construction phases to build stuff in your territory and equipment, battle phases for playing games and conclusion phases where you team can explore for treasure/equpment/rescue captured guy/other goals.

How’s xenos rampant with wargames Atlantic death fields models?
Am I going to have proxy problems given that wga just does their own thing?

If not xenos rampant how are the official death fields rules by wga?

>>96446225
I'm working on it, I just lack motivation because, frankly, life it shit right now. Besides, I don't know how popular a DOOM demons vs. techno-viking undead vs. fallen angels vs. Old Gods that crimps a bunch concepts from Warcaster game would be.

>>96475884
>popular
Generally best to assume the only people who'll care will be you and your gaming buddies. That way any wider success will be a nice surprise rather than potentially disappointing small.

>>96473753
I think it's weird when the symbol is on the one. Why would I want my faction's symbol to show up when I fail a roll?

>>96475560
5 Parsecs is solo, Stargrave is competitive. Also Stargrave is largely focused on the crew captain with other dudes having mechanical focus or detail.

Has anyone worked with war games Atlantic’s death fields minis or any of their human minis?
What is the smallest round base size one can fit those minis on?

>>96475824

Why would you have problems with using wga models for Xenos rampant? At most you'd argue what's the exact classification of each unit, ie. Are the grognards heavy or light infantry, is cannon fodder light infantry or militia rabble, are ooh raah recon or light infantry and so on.

>>96477968
>Why would you have problems with using wga models for Xenos rampant?
NTA but aren't there vehicles, in Xenos rampant?

>>96477951
I see, thanks

>>96478254
not obligatory, and it's not designed for lots of vehicles.

>>96478254
You can.. buy the vehicles from someone else. Or use infantry from multiple companies. Or even mix them in a unit (gasp)
>>96475824
It's a minis-agnostic game. Look at what's on the sprue, figure out what you're going to call the weapons, clear it up with your opponent when you start the game the way you would with any other game.
>how are the official Death Fields rules
They seem to be extremely crufty and janky, the classic case of a company going
>we need our own ruleset to justify making blatant WH40k proxies if GW sends lawyers out.
>These are, uh, microwave guns. Yes. And those are Thunderers and Heavy Thunderers. Not Bolters, of course, that would be legally actionable.
Not that it's really been necessary since about 2002 but that's never stopped anyone before. I took one look at the marketing copy on the back of the book and noped out for now.

>>96477960
Most of the models are designed around a 25mm base. You can get some of them onto a 20 but I wouldn't recommend it as a general rule.

>>96478308
>death fields official rules sent to only serve as legal blockade for lawyers
>in other words rushed out to die
Well that sucks.
Anyways thanks anon.

How are the xenos rampant rules? Are they actually fun and fair?

>>96478308
>Most of the models are designed around a 25mm base
Any exceptions to watch out for besides the heavy weapons teams?

>>96478308
>You can.. buy the vehicles from someone else
Is there someone who makes scifi vehicles of a non-gothing-grimdark variety, in this scale?
Speaking of which:
I bought a ridiculous amount (8) of kits from a nearby model shop, which just opened, and who was selling them for only 6€ each. They are all 1/72, so a good bit out of scale for the rest of my minis, but at least I can at least use them for Gaslands.
But is the difference in scale really jarring between 1/72 military kits (20mm) and Wargame Atlantic and Stargrave models (28mm-ish)?

By the way, the place is called "Shop Model", in the 13th district of Paris (77 Rue Dunois), if anyone is interested.

>>96477960
WGA models are generally considered to be on the lower end of mid quality. Most should not have a problem fitting on 20mm bases

>>96478744

I'm sure you could wrangle really broken combos from Xenos rampant units. Elite infantry will stomp lower quality units pretty easy. Many people were disappointed that the game moved from units and attack dice being either 12 or 6 to 10 or 5. I think this also makes very tanky units harder to deal with.

>>96478964
1/72 is much too small for 28mm, and quite frankly 1/56 models are too small as well. The idea sized vehicles for 28mm is 1/48-1/50.

Ultra modern wargamers are very obsessive over this because they need their vehicles to be as "realistic" scaled as possible. They usually use 1/48 or 1/50 for big vehicles like cargo trucks, tanks etc., the ideal size for civilian cars is 1/43

>>96478964
>Is there someone who makes scifi vehicles of a non-gothing-grimdark variety, in this scale?

Rare, but they exist. Stay away from 1/72, as its too small. Check 1/48 kits by Tamiya if you want to go the historical military models route. Alternatives would be Rubicon/Warlord Games for 1/56 plastic kits.
You can get away with 1/35 kits as well, depending on how big your fictional tank should be.

Your best bet for "non-40k"-style sci-fi models is 3d-printing. Check Etsy, and besides the obligatory 50 different Leman Russ variants, you will find interesting sci-fi things as well.

>>96478753
I haven't seen any but it's not like I own all their kits or anything. A few models overlap the edges of a 25mm slightly, especially kneeling ones.

>>96478964
>Is there someone who makes scifi vehicles of a non-gothing-grimdark variety, in this scale?
I buy toys. There's an import company that makes die-cast cars for ~$7 and sells them at grocery stores; they have a pretty good chunky wheeled APC, ambulance, and fakey armored SUV. Keep an eye out for sales on toy vehicles, especially for SF properties that recently failed like the Buzz Lightyear show a few years back.
As far as regular vehicles, you've got Scotia Grendel, Crooked Dice, IIRC Brigade Games (UK), Warlord, Mantic, Bombshell (hoverbikes) and a few others. I'd check the OP for more. There should be some stuff getting revived for Warzone soon, the 3D sculptors have been getting back on that recently.

>>96480281
1/56 warriors tanks are too small for historical games, they are definitely MUCH too small for sci-fi and heroic scale models

WGA halfling cav

>>96480989
They should be riding big cocks or snails. Shetland ponies is retarded. Also they should have extra long lances to make up for their short reach disadvantage. Why do they have extra short lances which would only exacerbate the issue?
Oh yeah, they're sculpted by WGA, I forgot... The retards who just churn shit out without any thought or effort

The hateboner/awg/ has developed for WGA is weird.

>>96481020
I for one am glad they're riding ponies instead of some retarded fantasy mount.

>>96480944
It depends a lot about what they are meant to represent. There are small sci-fi vehicles and there are big ones.
You just need to force your brain to forget what role that tank had in RL.

>>96481046
It's not weird at all considering the grievances are all valid. Their overreaction is a little weird, sure, but 4channers aren't known for being the most levelheaded and emotionally stable so what do you expect

>>96480989
Why are their tails so long lmfao

>>96481020
What's wrong with ponies? It's little horses after all, and they had ponies in the hobbit, but not some other big animals.

>>96481046
It's the /hwg/ influx. Hating warlord got boring, so now they are after the next popular thing.

>>96481020
>They should be riding big cocks
They're halflings, not your mother.

>>96481091

I think it really started when someone noticed that Hudson Adams had some dumb and libtarded opinions and he is vocal about them. There are of course regular critiques about their release schedule, issues with kickstarters, poor/mediocre sculpts etc.

>>96481163
>complimenting the cock size of my father who passed his DNA to me
Idk why you thought that was gonna be a good roast

Meanwhile I'm just upset the warring states that's clearly done is still in purgatory.

>>96481200
what?

>>96481046
Yeah...weird

>>96481263
How are bad historical minis relevant to /awg/?

>>96481091
>>96481278
Why are you seething about historicals? Kek

>>96481197
>his father has multiple cocks

>>96481235
WGA's warring state Chinese range. Clearly already done, just not doing anything with them. It's been what five years?

>>96481355
Literally no one cares except you (probably why they abandoned the project) and yet we have to deal with you whining about it every thread

>>96481355
>WGA's warring state Chinese range. Clearly already done
Not really, no.
>Infantry:
Per their website, it's "in tooling, waiting for package design" (this usually means cover art and painted models). Tooling seems to take a couple of weeks, plus test shots. Set should be done and up for pre-order in under 6 months.
>Other sets:
They showed a preview of partial sculpts without a sprue layout for cavalry less than a year ago, a little while after the Bronze Age Chariot and Skeleton Cavalry boxes went on pre-order. Their general sculpting process takes several months, another month or two for parting/layout and prototyping, then frequently several revisions and resculpts before the final tooling. Once tooling's done it's between 2 and 6 months before they get full release. Of note: there's a "mystery" Bronze Age set in re-sculpting right now. For context I was following it pretty rabidly and it took almost three years for the Renaissance Heavy Cavalry set to go from concept art to finished set.

Before that? Some vague concept art came out years ago. But that was also before the Damned KS and taking on the Quar, Reptilian Overlords and Iron-Core contracts, all of which are presumably higher-priority. Most of those involved resculpts and new tooling, though presumably having existing CAD files to work with sped things up a lot over the historical sets.

>>96481177
I mean it started when one Anon was a faggot on social media, spammed the company email (which he admitted in-thread here), then threw a temper tantrum when he got told
>the customer is sometimes wrong, and you've personally been a huge fag
Then he spent weeks hunting up every scrap of turd he could throw trying to make /b/ his personal army.

Anyway. Yes, there are legitimate criticisms of some of WGA's sets. They're mid-range stuff, better-designed and usually better-sculpted than Warlord or Mantic, around equal to North Star's [X]-Grave stuff and slightly worse than Oathmark and Fireforge.

>>96481177
Oh, it totally is one butthurt /pol/tard shitting things up. And yes, its one guy. Cutting out the bots, there's probably only about 20 people that post in this thread.

Imagine the shocking upset if Victrix started making fantasy kits.
Not even like, bespoke shit I'm talking public domain like Light and Dark elves, ot trolls, to complement their vikings.

>>96481761
Not true at all, because I've posted negative opinions about WGA and I've seen others as well, so I guarantee for certain it's at least two of us, but I suspect more. Even if it was 2 of us and there was only 20 anons, that's 10% hatred which is pretty high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j7Yvr0CGDY
I like Mantic's cringy videos on Epic Warpath. Has anyone had a chance to try it now that the rules are out?

>>96480989
I was kinda surprised by the pricing. For little guys they're still like $50 for ten.
>>96481020
Snails would be an easy sculpt.
I get people not wanting them to be extra fantastic.
I wonder if I could find some moose models for them to ride like an elephants

>>96481867
>Light and Dark elves, ot trolls, to complement their vikings.
That would be sick. I'm a sucker for trolls.

This company is so fucking gay holy shit lmfao I just can't

>>96482381
I don't understand your outrage, what's wrong with that post?

>>96482482
The adjective form of woman is female, but there's a subset of people who are butthurt about this being degrading or some shit so they use the noun as the adjective and sound really awkward.

>>96481200
I feel like they may have just decided to STL that, the way they kind of just abandoned the trolls they were previewing for a long time.

>>96482482
>models look awful, proportions are fucked, Fortnite character style
>gay leftypol shit, diversity, muh strong female, etc.
>called "Shattered union" in reference to Hudson Adams TDS

>>96482482
Don't feed him (you)s.

Honestly the male and female survivors/civilians are the most hype of their upcoming kits. They're basically upgraded versions of the old wargames factory survivors but actually multipepose.
Makes me wonder if they'll do their own version of zombie vixens or bare-assed amazons.

>>96482878
For me the most hype upcoming kits is the quar stuff, if progress on it ever fucking moves. I swear the tanks have been at "UK injection" for like a month and the arnyaran and creevish stuff seems to be tied up waiting for a new rulebook or something.

>>96482912
Genuinely who actually plays Quar? I only know how guy personally who loves Quar and he is a boomer with cross eyes

>>96482482
I thought it was just bait
But>>96482598
makes sense.
It does seem goofy to change it from female survivors to Woman Survivors just so players know they can be Woman (male) Survivors.
>>96482878
>They're basically upgraded versions of the old wargames factory survivors but actually multipepose.
I remember that kit looking nicer.

>>96482381
>literal jogger mini
lol
Good set.

>>96483551
>Jogger mini
>Thicc ICE Officer behind it
Is WGA secretly our guys?

>>96483507
They're a bit more finicky as a general rule, and have softer detail simply due to age.

>>96483751
>>96482381
I can't tell if it's the paint jobs throwing me off, but the proportions look better to me. Like the WGA ones are all kinda "mom bods" while the wargame factory has attractive and fat options.

>>96483751
These look way better than the WGA ones
.. massive downgrade

>>96483839
They're definitely more slender and truer to 1/56, but that also makes them a pain to actually work with.

>>96483942
Warlord puts them back on sale on occasion, I always snag a box or two when possible. Just really enjoy the WGF style.

>>96483507
>It does seem goofy to change it from female survivors to Woman Survivors just so players know they can be Woman (male) Survivors.
>>96482381
The official name for the male survivors box is "Civilians and Survivors (1): Men" and the name listed on their release page ( https://wargamesatlantic.com/pages/release-schedule ) is "Civilians and Survivors (2): Women".
it's a literal nothingburger born of someone awkwardly paraphrasing a title on a social media post.

I met Wargames Atlantic at a con once. He walked right up to me and shook my hand and said, "we want more people like you to be our customers." Then he reached into the box he was carrying and handed me a warm slice of apple pie. no plate, no fork, but it was still the best damn pie I have ever tasted.
I'll be a Wargames Atlantic customer for life.

>>96481326
Don't make me post it.

>>96481355
Whine about it over at /hwg/.

>>96481867
Victrix lacks the creativity and soul to do that.

>>96483507
>I remember that kit looking nicer.

I have that set, and some others from some warlord sprue sale. They are horrible.

>>96483751
Most importantly, their bodies are locked into set poses and customizing them is a chore.

>>96480614
>I buy toys
Yeah, I got the pound shop £2 truck when I visited the UK, a little while ago.
Do you have any pics of sci-fi-compatible wheeled vehicles you found? Just so I know what to expect and what to look for

>>96483264
Me.

>>96485164
There is this pretty famous Buzz Lightyear truck that you could get from Amazon for less than 10€ for a long time. Seems to be gone by now tho. But maybe there are some around in local toy stores or ebay.
If you google for "buzz lightyear truck necromunda" you will find plenty of conversion options, and also scale pictures next to other vehicles and minis

>>96485519
>>96485164
There is a toy line called "the corps", and it includes several not so realistic looking tanks, but they are quite big. It can work, depending on your setting tho. For example:
http://www.jomitoys.com/2010/03/corps-assault-vehicle-tank.html

These (at least here in Germany) are often available for 5-10€ on ebay and other used goods sites.

Bandai and other brands have some interesting sci-fi kits besides the Mecha stuff too, pic related for example.

For Starships, you got plenty from Buzz Lightyear again, and also the "Starlink" video games included a variety of spaceships in perfect scale.

>>96484182
Figure I might as well add to this guy's post: the Shattered Union thing was an April Fools that people really liked so the owner decided to actually do it. It helps that WGA already had survivors and federal agent boxes in the works.

I suspect Hudson Adams leans left but when he's posted "weird shit people email me about" he's shared deranged lefty complaints too, like people calling him a Nazi for the space confederates or the schizo who saw Nazi symbolism in the WGA product codes.

>>96485543
Holy shit, I love that ridiculous tank

>>96485103
Kek is the /hwg/ seether our new resident schizo?

>>96485519
>>96485543
>>96485164
Speaking of converting toys, it's no tank but I did paint up this Buzz Lightyear ship to serve as a Stargrave prop

>>96486075
>>96486075
>>96486075