Thread 96491296

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>>96487710

>thread question:
What's your army and what drew you into selecting your army?

>TQ
Guard
>what drew you into selecting your army?
I was and still am a hopeless sucker for the underdogs fighting the "good" fight.

>>96491296 (OP)
Mostly I just paint & game and avoid FLGSs & "organized" play like the Plague they are

>TQ
Wolves
Necrons
Blood Angels

Idk I just read some lore and chose them

>TQ
Tau.
The Imperium is a bunch of high tech supersoldiers.
The Tau felt like more normal every day soldiers.

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
Sally successors and Tau.

I dunno. I guess I just like the less cunty factions. Also technology being at least somewhat rational appeals to me. The secret third thing is that they were dirt cheap secondhand the last few years.

>>96491329
Sallyfag!! Waddup G? Wachu doing up at this late hour?

>>96491335
Just got home from drinking with the wife and some friends. Checked /tg/ hoping it would be decent this late before I go to bed.

>>96491342
Tg is always decent regardless of schizo provocation. Hope you had fun tonight and sleep well!

>>96491296 (OP)
>What's your army and what drew you into selecting your army?
Orks: Got them when I got the 2nd ed box sets because my friend wanted the marines, but I ended up digging the orks anyway and when I got back into the hobby with 8th I picked them back up
CSMs: I wanted to paint power armor and like trim
Dark Eldar: They seemed fun to play and kabalites look cool, though I truth I didnt end up enjoying the playstyle as much as I hoped

>>96491355
How would your green bois handle my Wolves bruh?

Autism is going to make me buy more tzaangor

The Imperium won't let you have sex with abhumans. You know who will?

>>96491383
Niggers?

In all seriousness who is the biggest threat to the Imperium of Man?

>>96491396
The avatar of chaos.

>>96491396
Chaos, or Tyranids. Orks in third, Necrons in fourth.
That's up for change depending on how you view the edge cases.
The big three Eldar subspecies (any source saying Deldar choose to be that way is canon but untrue) have Mad with the Imperium, in that the web way would let them teleport a bunch of exterminatus grade weapons everywhere destroying the Imperium, which would kill the Eldar as Chaos suddenly can hard focus the Eldar.
The admech is sometimes aware that they are C'tan worshipers and are just working with the Imperium to bids their own power, which a full Admech uprising is pretty dangerous.
...and I haven't read the Votann lore to know what they can do.

>>96491296 (OP)
>What's your army
Votann
>what drew you into selecting your army?
When I was a secondary with no money I promised a friend that if Squats came back, I would buy some. I keep my promises, even if the Votann aren't particularly Squat-y.

>>96491425
Fuck I did not expect this in depth of an answer, but yea pretty solid analysis bruh..

>>96491396
Still Tyranids - it's extra pressure on the Imperium as a whole and shuts down communication. Chaos vs Space Marines is fun but when it comes down to it, you're losing worlds rapidly. What other threat is clearing worlds that fast?

>>96491374
I havent beaten Knights since 9th edition

>>96491443
>Side Note
Love your models anon

>>96491443
>Still Tyranids
Tyranids canonically terryfied by Chaos

>>96491453
>Leatherback Turle canonically terrified of Man o' War

>>96491296 (OP)
>What's your army and what drew you into selecting your army?
Primary Army has been CSM since 3e. Loved the codex, loved the designs, loved the bikers and Chaos Dreadnought. The battle report in Battlezone Cityfight with the Night Lords fighting the Cadians won me over.

Somwhat later on I ended up collecting Necrons when their Codex came out, made a Death Guard army when I got back into the game in 8E and just bought most of a Dark Eldar army over the past months. Just missing some Reavers and another Raider and I think I'll be set.

>>96491453
Yeah don't they just leave when chaos comes. I can't remember a specific story.

>>96491449
Thanks. I'm actually really hype to work on a new army. Building a traitor guard army and it's finally coming together
>WIP still

>>96491396
Physically (as in, 'everyone dies')? The Tyranids for sure.

Imperialistically (as in, 'we're no longer the dominant faction')? Necrons for sure.

Ideologically (as in, 'our people are abandoning us for our enemies)?
In the short term, Chaos. In the long term, Tau.

>>96491471
>Yeah don't they just leave when chaos comes. I can't remember a specific story.
Yeah, because they can't each ghosts.

>>96491296 (OP)
>tq
Wanted to paint yellow, wanted to paint checks. Bangels had the most unique dreadnought kits at the time. Simple as

>>96491296 (OP)
Dark Krakens and FSEnclaves.

The former was a factor of stuff between IRL marine research, Salamanders being a bit more pragmatic and a neat color scheme. I actually asked here way back about which chapter out of a certain 4/5 to do.

FSE because I liked the Tau as essentially humanity in space with cool mechs, and Titanfall. I was inspired by this one FSE poster when thinking of schemes, and wanted something that was not as dark visually.

>>96491296 (OP)
>whats your army
Harlequins
SoB
Blood Angels
Inquisition
Tyranids
Thousand Sons

>what drew you
I just thought they were neat, but looking at that list now I realize Im a massive faggot

Bleh >>96491506 was showing up as orientated correctly in my file explorer.

>>96491509
Blubangelsanon is that you, since when did you have harlies

>>96491506
I find it funny that your dudes are all canon while sallyfag made his up, yet fundamentally you both have the same kinds of armies. I prefer your purple and black though.

>>96491296 (OP)
i chose daemons because they're easy to paint

>>96491515
The canopy effect is down well but hwat the fuck is going on with that thick ass paint and those black lines.

>>96491517
>get recognized from a list
<3
Since 9th edition

Casual reminder that Tau women aren't smooth-faced moeblobs who prefer human men.

>>96491520
Nta but I don't see the comparison, they're both pretty different from one another outside being marines

>>96491528
Oh dang I didn't know you did this guy, I always liked him

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
DoW berzerker voicelines and T-face helmets have lived rent free for almost 20 years
And I wanted a custom blood angels chapter when I realized I didn't want to paint up two red marine armies

>>96491374
Flat...

>>96491531
Both salamander successors and then tau armies with Farsight as centrepieces. Both tout “pragmatism” and not being an cartoon villain as reasons for selecting their factions.

>>96491525
Looks like the old salamander camo

>>96491540
I had no clue krakens were sallies go figure

>>96491525
That was one of my first prints after setting it up, so it's pretty scuffed up. The black lines are part of the scheme, which is trying to ape the Badab/RT era Salamander's camo.

It was mainly practice on reflective canopies and learning how to get that yellow/orange down

>>96491538
What's next anon? You had some bladeguards with pelts if I remember correctly unless I'm thinking of someone else. Anything for the collage?

>>96491515
>That canopy
Are you the guy with the printed votann army?

>>96491425
Is the void dragon locked Inside Mars confirmed? I didn't know the mechanicus knew they have a Ctan shard

Plastic cement works with older models, right?

>>96491553
I've got 9 bladeguard and 15 terminators and 10 vanvets to paint up for my shitty list
Doing my techmarine termie for the collage this month, he's gonna be my counts-as librarian for the list as well

>>96491554
No, Just SM and Tau.

>>96491559
Yes. As long as they are plastic

>>96491559
As long as they're plastic models yeah

>>96491296 (OP)
>What's your army and what drew you into selecting your army?
>CSM
I thought posessesed and daemon engines were cool
>Space Marines
I liked learning about the Primarchs and wanted to make /mydudes/. I got CSM and Marines at the sametime to do a mirror match
>Sisters
I enjoyed the zealousness of sisters and their models.
>Orks
Kinda got them for cheap so they were my first army.

>>96491402
What the hell is an avatar of chaos?

>>96491540
I just think me and Sally are weirdly similar people. Found his reddit from a image he also posted here and saw that there were a lot of things in common.

When debating my first army it was between Raptors, Krakens, Storm Wardens, and then like one of the Lego Votann schemes.

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
Agents/Grey Knights - more broadly just Ordo Malleus.
>be youngshit me
>into MESBG because of the LotR movies
>around the same time, Inquisitor 54mm game is on shelves at the GW
>utterly fascinated by it
>get back into warhammer as an adult
>get into the stuff I always wanted
last time posting this army pic lads, tomorrow will have new full display spread n stuff

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
Militarum Tempestus. I picked the faction up day one in 6th edition and have amassed so many of them over the years.

I was drawn to them because the models are all lovely and I enjoyed the idea of the pinnacle of mortality. They have no augmentation, they're just the best that humanity could offer and sent off to die for the emperor at just the right time. Ultimately what made me fall in love with the faction was a combination of their rules and their lore. Unique orders that allowed this small book to take on a wide selection of forces really felt unique. When I could pop sniper and pick out characters one turn, or rend at tank to death the next, it really felt close to the fantasy at heart of the faction. The lore however told a story of brutal heroism. Virtually every entry in their "timeline" ended with "and then the entire regiment died to a man to do a thing so someone else could complete their objective and save the day." The fact that the lore would simply take these greatest mortal men and throw their lives away so some dude in power amor could be a hero was so hilarious to me I had to play the faction.

I'll never stop asking for a dedicated supplement for these lads again. Unfuck bridgehead and let me play my scions GW.

>>96491530
Honestly I always thought the appeal of the Tau was that they're basically indoctrinated idiots similar to the Helldivers or Starship Troopers movie.

They're just goofballs who get sent on endless human wave attacks against elite Imperium soldiers dying en masse until they eventually overwhelm the enemy through sheer numbers, screaming 'FOR THE GREATER GOOD' at the top of their lungs while being out-gunned, out-smarted, and out-matched at every turn.

>Balance issues out the nose for space marines for a majority of the edition because divergent chapters are basically space marines+ and James has no idea how to fix this besides making Gorillaman or some other named character almost always auto-take in a competitive setting
If you were James Workshop's unpaid balance intern, what would you do to better differentiate the divergent chapters from the vanilla dex while maintaining a reason to play the latter (beyond buffing random ass named characters into the sky)?
t. someone stealth complaining that they had to play against gladius for the umpteenth time this edition.

>>96491530
Water caste are canonically hot.

>guy in local 40k chatroom posts his Online order of the "Imperial fist" combat patrol
>the new character with the hammer and shield
>the fucking dice
>everything is full price.

I cringe everytime I see this type of consooming. I can't understand how anyone can pay full retail price for things in this day and age. We need to be having more children if this is the state of our disposable income.

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
World Eaters and Necrons. Cool models for both and even cooler lore for the Necrons.

>>96491682
This is an easy one. Just make the other chapters have cult books, like the CSM have. Playing templar? Well fuck you, no gladius, no intercessors, nothing vaguely devastator shaped. Also, no one has oath of moment outside of vanilla marines. And the other reason the play vanilla marines is they get the widest range of dudes.

>>96491687
Why are you mad that someone is buying things they like?

>>96491687
I consoom and have no intention of ever having children.

>>96491687
That person has a box collection hobby not a miniatures hobby

Do you think a future edition will undo this crap

>>96491721
Probably no.

>>96491721
Yes. They'll be one sheet with one weapon profile. As it should be.

>>96491693
>Senor supremo
The new taco bell just dropped boys

>>96491729
At least we'd get our modelling freedom back

>>96491721
>Do you think a future edition will undo this crap
yes, and it'll be used as a marketing tool
>now you have more options and control building your army than ever!

>>96491670
I think the intention with Tau was to emphasis the communal aspect, like a society with high social cohesion like Japan. A lot more of the lore clicked with me once I learned that they have an average lifespan of 40 years.

I don't really like the whole Ethereal indoctrination angle angel and thankfully it seems like they are slowly leaning away from that.

>>96491721
I’d rather they just get a new kit that doesn’t look like ass

What are /tg/'s thoughts on WYSIWYG?

>>96491736
Exactly. That's the best part of the modern war gear rules. I model my dudes to look cool and just say they have the right weapons.

>>96491743
Starting the bait bingo early huh

>>96491742
the current kit is almost perfect
the only change i'd make would be to include extra weapons so you can make every loadout option with a single box

>>96491739
Tau is literally based on India with their caste system and naming.

>>96491696
I feel like they would've cut the rosters down by now if it wasn't for upsetting SM players by sending their models to legends and the space woof mafia who demand access to more sheets than everyone else in the game. Especially after the backlash they got from HH Legends at the top of the edition. I guess cutting access to oaths (and giving them their own army rules)/SM detachments is really the only way they feasibly can go.

>>96491752
Uh oh anon you’re gonna get called out for not romanticizing the faction

Does anyone know when the new Black Templars Combat Patrol datasheet will be available on Warhammer Community?

>>96491737
I expect this too, go all in on nostalgia and getting applause for just undoing all the stupid crap they've implemented
>Remember WARGEAR OPTIONS? They're BACK! #theyrebacknew40k

>>96491752
G7 b7 m7 I r7 7/7

>>96491755
I legit believe we'll get cult style books next edition.

>>96491743
I will tolerate near any amount of proxying from other people, but will never do it myself

>>96491752
>saaar, do not reject greater good!
>do not reject!

>>96491752
They are a mishmash of Asian countries, insisting they are one or the other is silly

>>96491749
>>96491721
The current kit looks cool. tau has held up decently well compared to a lot of things. Unfortunately they've been hit by scale creep, so fire warriors and these battle suits look really stubby and derpy when put next to the newer kits IMO.

>>96491795
Tau are exactly at the scale they need to be

He looks weird.

>>96491821
Yes, its a manlet termie

>>96491812
No they need to be gundam sized.

>>96491833
don't summon him

>>96491774
LOL

>>96491833
for that you have the 3 larger suits

>>96491739
I think part of it too is that the Tau tend to be the only faction actually manned by normal people.

Even the Imperial Guard isn't normal people, but rather mostly gritty buff hive worlders taken from the best of the PDF who could snap a Navy Seal in half like he's a twig, then given high quality equipment and sent off on important missions.

By comparison a Tau soldier is just kinda a normal dude with a shitty little pew pew gun expected to hold the line.

How do I cope when my opponent paintmogs me?

>>96491859
Be grateful that you get to play against someone that has a fully painted army

Reminder that malstrain genestealers can take over and hijack healthy genestealer's life cycle and the patriarch can forcibly dominate regular 'stealers and make them part of his brood.

>>96491833
which gundam scale? 1/144 or 1/00 or 1/60

>>96491721
>fireknife
It still warms my heart seeing the old fan loadout names of weapon combo's becoming canon

>>96491396
Valdor

>>96491425
If Necrons wanted to they could end humanity with one push of a button. They don't want to because they still need them for experiments. Chaos is also no problem for them as are Tyranids or Orks.

>>96491859
take cool pictures of the battle and share them with us

>>96491884
They are suffering badly in the pariah nexus yet they're not using said button to fuck over humanity one bit

they cannot use that button, it's not a matter of wills

>>96491887
i did but i'm not sure it's helping

>>96491530
Reminder that there's more than Fire Caste

>>96491884
>>96491888
What button?

>>96491888
They cannot because they need humans and other organic life forms. Their end goal is to ascend to beings surpassing the C'Tan and for that more experiments are needed but if they all wake up and decide to exterminate the Imperium there is pretty much nothing humanity could do. GW seems to be also shifting to the Necrons being the big bad besides Chaos. Kinda weird that in the edition of a Tyranid refresh, bugs got cucked in the lore and meta.

>>96491891
damn those are pretty nice

>>96491530
wrong.

so when you are subscribes to the combat patrol magazine you sometimes get special offers you can opt out on they are usually really good. Now they offer terrain for 90€ that is 265€ if you would buy it on the GW website (2 of the set pieces are not even in GW shop anymore)
pretty good if you like terrain I guess

>>96491453
>The threat became too great for the Hive Mind to ignore, and combat between the Great Devourer and Ruinous Powers erupted. The Tyranids eventually controlled the plains around Rossov before launching an all-out offensive at the ruins of the city itself. However the Daemons unleashed a storm of bile and blood which turned the ground to muck, bogging down the Tyranids. Daemonic chariots swooped in on their trapped foes, as Furies and Plague Drones attacked from above. Hive Mind quickly adapted, throwing everything they had to distract the Warpspawn while swarms of Rippers rapidly consumed biomass elsewhere on Shadowbrink. This biomass was used to create swarms of Exocrines and Biovores which were in turn used to unleash devastating volleys of artillery to contain the Daemonic advance. Tervigons and the Termagants they unleashed were then deployed to launch a counter-attack through sheer attrition
>The Great Unclean One Shub'Luth'Gug attempted to break the deadlock and push through, but his psychic abilities were smothered by the Shadow in the Warp. Moments later, the huge Daemon was blown apart by Zoanthropes
>With the defeat of one of their own, the Daemon Lords of the Abominatum realized the nature of the battle had changed. No blood was being spilled for Khorne, just putrid alien ichor. All of Nurgles diseases were ineffective in the face of Tyranid adaptation. The deadlock went on for days, and the Lord of Change K'rix'xi'kra blasted its way back to the Maelstrom Cradle to abandon the effort. The two remaining Daemon Lords then led a final mad charge against the Tyranids. However, the Hive Mind had by this point absorbed their opponents' strategies, using Tyrannofexes and Trygons to meet them. The Daemonic lines soon collapsed, and as the Bloodthirster Hak'Vasha was dragged back into the Warp he was still wrestling with three Trygons. The last of the Daemons had been defeated, and the Hive Mind now turned its attention to the rest of Shadowbrink

>>96491902
>the lore
No? They're winning the 4th Tyrannic war
>and meta
They're starter faction codex. Same happened to DG in 8th and Necrons in 9th

>>96491915
necrons in 9th being meta would have been super healthy for the game given the army was cheap, mostly new models, and easy to paint

>>96491915
>They're winning
Uh huh

>>96491915
>>96491919
Necrons were fine in 9th and were tuned to not be shit from time to time. Tyranids are straight up shit and forgotten in 10th.

>>96491919
They were already extremely popular anon. They're one of the most popular non-marine armies now. Again, same can be said of both Death Guard and nids, Tau too to a lesser extent, even if all those still aren't reaching SM/CSM numbers
>>96491920
I mean, what's next, you're gonna pretend Octarius wasn't a nid win either or Cadia still stands? Weird

>>96491922
>straight up shit and forgotten in 10th
Not really, but their playstyle is annoying/uncomfortable and is largely considered too swingy, because Shadow can either straight up win you the game without any chance for your opponent to come back or completely fizzle.

>>96491928
>Weird
Weird is you thinking it matters.

>>96491891
The BEAR gimmick is silly but I am at least satisfied that the bears look huge enough to carry marines as opposed to actual Space Wolf wolf cavalry
Although I'd much prefer if the bears were also cybernetic

>>96491902
>They cannot because they need humans and other organic life forms.
It's not an all or nothing thing, they could simply snuff out whatever star is necessary to halt the crusade currently swamping them

They don't do it because they cannot do it, not because they don't want to

>>96491946
>cuck memes

>>96491947
I mean, I don't think ANY in-universe conflict "matters" aside from having cool fluff in regards to how different factions interact and interplay with each other. Which is supposed to be the main draw IMO
Meta-narratively the setting is stasis'd and nothing will really go "anywhere", but yes I think that
1) people saying nids dont "win" enough are just parroting like, outdated 5th edition Crud memes. Same can be said about a number of other factions, the only one I'd say that has been done a bit of disservice is Orks
2) trying to attribute any overarching narrative meaning to select in-universe wars is kinda silly

>>96491909
I already have the nachmund set and haven't painted it

>>96491981
post pic

>>96491687
>I cringe everytime I see this type of consooming.
I see it in plenty of groups, people showing off a giant collection of boxes
>Uhhhh... I *guess* I have to like... start an army or something? XD
>Don't tell the wife!!!!
>Do I have a problem? XD
I've never understood it and yes, it makes me cringe every time

Been collecting Deldar since 7th,
Havnt played a game of 10th it looks fucking shit but good god what is happening with the murder elves.

>>96492036
Nothing, they're not space marines so they dont get shit

>>96491915
>They're winning the 4th Tyrannic war
They are getting their pushed back by literally who human and Custard. Bobby didn't even bother to check out how war is going.

>>96492036
You don't care enough to find out

>>96492036
I havent playd 10th aswell. All the rerolling bullshit pisses me off to no end Iam waiting for 11th

>>96492053
I don't care about rerolling but I've abstained from 10th because of the 'free' wargear and wank restrictions like 'no duplicates' everywhere

>>96491355
Bro there is no way.

I have Orks, CSM and Dark Eldar. Are we cringe? Or awesome

>>96491743
Gay

>>96491821
Legs a little wide m8

>new space marine release
>It's not for my chapter

Being Iron Hands is akin to slavery except worse

>>96492096
enjoy your uh...Japanese Iron hand token character my dude

>>96492096
The guy with the big Japanese club thing looks cool

Why do Eldar have egyptian looking shit?

>>96492036
Unless you're that guy with the 9 boats I don't believe you as he's mentioned playing 10th before

>>96492096
Don't worry I'm sure the >>>TERMINATOR captain won't be shit
Pfffttt

>>96492102
because they're loosely based of gaelic mytholgy

>>96492102
Looks cool

BECAUSE YOU HAD A BAD DAY, YOU'RE TAKING ONE DOWN
YOU SING A SAD SONG JUST TO TURN IT AROUND

>>96492106
Are you telling me they gay lick crapworld smeldar?

Uhhhh Red Scorpions are pretty cool

>>96492102
They have a ton of inspirations.

>>96492117
Schizo tier eldar stuff.

>>96492103
>There can only be one Deldar collector that's been playing for more than 5 years

Ye aight nigguh

>>96492117
>Putting Yautja along with Trash Scorpions
>WHFB Khaine art

>>96492115
yes, pretty much all the chapters that were involved in the badab war are cool.

eldar appropriate egyptian themes better than necrons, or at the very least, thousand sons do.

>>96492102
My headcanon is that the original Eldar were the necrontyr that actually accepted the price of the Old Ones for immortality: Leave behind their imperialistic asshole ways to avoid polluting the Inmaterium with their enhaced souls.

That's why Eldar and Necrons share many faux-egyptian motifs, and even cultural tropes like the Grim Reaper.

The necrontyr also had a bird-headed "Wisdom" god that must have been what gave Tzeench its features and also its egyptian-looking stuff to human egyptians and Prospero down the line (the home planet of the Thousand Sons)

>>96492120
This but unironically

>>96492123
I would say i wish they got more love but i think saying that i wish they didnt get memoryholed by GW is more appropriate.

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96492117
that collage is shit and has a lot of wrong takes, it misses also the obvious far east influence on them.
Like the Iyanden's icon being a japanese torii gate shrine, or the buddhist Guanyin "runes", or the samurai back banners, etc

>>96492142
Have hope, space sharks are getting some love with their book series that i hear isn't complete BL dogshit, so that's nice.

>>96492143
More like Fart Smelldar

>>96492125
To be fair, Necrons have egyptian theme only for two reason:
1) Monolith
2) Tomb Kings had it.

>>96492143
You don't have to 'feel' that a heap of 5th ed kits and resin sculpts will eventually be updated

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
Tau
Dark Eldar
Dark Angels
Votann
Kreig

Tau were my first exposure to 40k and was a weeb teenager at that time during 4th. Just love their general look and style, though I hate the shift to the white color scheme.

Love the visuals of the updated DE, just enjoy the edginess and look of most of their line. Plus embracing their cringe edge is a guilty pleasure.

Dark Angels were a second pic really as a space marine faction, Iron Hands or Space Wolves are more my vibe but Iron Hands get no love or attention and I dislike the color scheme of SW and their derpier wolf themed stuff. Though I'm tempted to just get some of the new SW stuff and go a my dudes route for the color in the future.

Votann: I like dorfs. Simple as.

Krieg I always liked their style but didn't want to invest in expensive foreworld stuff in the past. Now they have plastic support and a 3D printer so I'm working on some.

>>96492151
Necrons began as chaos space t-800 terminators and were recycled as Space Tomb Kings in 2nd edition.
Which is great, btw

>>96492161
These don't really look different from current ones. I can't see any Chaos iconography on them even

>>96492161
That short story of the i think space marines boarding a dark eldar ship and finding that the crew commited suicide rather than face oldcrons did a lot of heavy lifting in setting the tone for them

>>96492150
how would a dark eldar refresh affect lebrons legacy

>vehicles?
look shit
>guard?
looks shit
>tyranids that havent been in the 10th edition launch box?
look shit
>t'au
utter shit
>drukhari?
shit
>chaos daemon?
shit

you can only collect marines, Orks (which cannot look shit), Genestealers, Eldari and Votann

>>96492180
The subtle joke is that they're both dead and dark

>>96492167
anon, those are the 2e version. The original RT minis from Space Crusade and Epic looked like pic related

>>96492161
That scarab on the examination table is neat, anyone seen a recast of it anywhere?

>>96492186
Chaos Android kill team when

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
>Admech
I really dig the idea of a technocratic but also religious faction, I think it's a pretty unique take. I also really like most of their models, even the ones that a lot of people shit on.
>TSons
I initially only wanted to paint a box of Rubrics as a one off project but I kinda just kept going. I'm a sucker for egyptian-inspired aesthetics, gold+turquoise is a kino color scheme and I like all the ornate details. Even if it takes a lot of time to paint them all neatly, lol.

>>96492102
because jes goodwin designed the eldar (and high elves) with a lot of ancient and exotic influences, such as bronze age cultures and asian cultures, this is to make them look ancient and more removed from the eurocentric and more recent or futuristic designs of the human factions

if you want an explanation as to why, in setting, human and eldar cultures have similar symbols, then there are two answers, concepts, as much as symbols, resonate through the warp, so eldar and humans might be inspired by similar metaphysical insights, alternatively humans were influenced by ancient aliens visiting the planet

>>96492193
> I think it's a pretty unique take
It's a trope since the 1950s, but people do not read actual sci-fi classic books anymore

>>96492161
>Which is great
Great for a human design, not much for an alien design

It really hurts to see gw fuckup the execution of necrons time and time again

>>96492199
shit, forgot pic

>>96492199
what you don't like American teen wearing american clothes in extremely bland science fiction town?

We just got transported here? and they act pretty much exactly like us.... except for the twist of course!

>>96492191
Eventually ™

>>96492201
Necrons have become better and better with every iteration. Whiners about muh oldcrons do not collect or play them.

The egyptian aesthetics connection id very fitting and links them also into the ancient aliens/ancient humans trope. It makes perfect sense in the setting, which is not IRL in the future, but the future of a fictional lovecraftian Earth.

>>96492185
Dark Eldar are the Kobe Bryant to the Craftworld's LeBron.

>traitor legions don't get legion units in 40k
Hecked up.

I found the missing hand piece I lost earlier. Everyone can stop looking now.

>>96492206
This would look cool

>>96492220
and renegade chapters like the Red Corsairs or the Crimson Slaughter suddenly forgot about their Landspeeders, Razorbacks, assault cannons, and grav guns.

It's stupid unfluffy marketing/gamey bullshit to keep miniature ranges more distinct and separate.

What are predictions for christmass army boxes? I kinda want to get into 40k

>>96492231
Space Marines

>>96492199
>>96492202
Damn this looks pretty interesting, I've never heard of this book before. I'll give it a read, thanks.

>>96492208
I'm not whining about oldcrons being better than newcrons, I'm whining about both missing the mark massively, and not for the Egyptian aesthetic.

They don't look alien enough to be aliens, they had the perfect theme with necromancy, the history of biotrasference and the basic premises of ancient aliens to justify their basic troops looking like humans by saying the necrons forcefully turn other races (and in this millennium humans predominantly if not exclusively) into their basic soldiers, while making the rulers actually look alien.

The cyclopean eye and way more elongated skull is a perfect look to make them alien, as is keeping their bodies skittering like many crypteks do, all they needed to add was slightly different articulations for hands and arms and you got a fine looking alien in your hands that can rule over an army of undead robots

it would have also highlighted further just how drastic the gambit for immortality was because they would have uplifted only the royalty and vip, while sacrificing utterly much of the rest of the general population instead of having them as the footsoldiers.

No matter if you want to peddle the headcanons of "oh actually the necrontyr were the first humans" or "oh actually the necrontyr were made by the frogs too" they just don't look alien enough and I'll keep having this grudge against them.

And don't get me started on the fucking ctan.

>>96492234
Warhammer 40K really needs an "Appendix N" if you know what I mean.
Basically the original D&D books had a listing of all of the books that the authors found inspirational in the creation of the setting and that has been added to over the years with new editions as new authors came on and brought new influences with them. It was useful for Dungeon Masters looking for inspiration for their own setting creation but also to understand the general tone and style of the worlds and the stories of the adventures within them as the authors envisioned them.

>>96492231
Space Marines

>>96492237
I was under impression that he was forced to do this because humans were angry at marines and wanted them all gone. So he came up with a middle ground solution

>>96492236
The C'tan necrodermis bodies, like the rest of stuff you mention just prove to me that Necrontyr being the "original" humans is low-key canon, and that was always the intention since at least 3e.

Disliking it for not being "alien" enough is missing their point, IMO. They're Space Undead Skeletons. Of course they had to be human at some point.

>>96492231
What you looking for though?

>>96492231
Not orks

>>96492248
>just prove to me that Necrontyr being the "original" humans is low-key canon, and that was always the intention since at least 3e.
No, it wasn't, and it's a cheap and lazy cop out for a cheap and lazy alien faction

>Disliking it for not being "alien" enough is missing their point, IMO. They're Space Undead Skeletons.
I gave you a perfectly valid alternative explanation as to why they field T800, there's absolutely no excuse for keeping the necrons and ctan themselves as aliens in name only

>>96492202
Also a big inspiration for Fallout/Wasteland

>>96492050
>Custard and Leontis manage to kill one leader bug
>in a battle that the Imperium lost
>"They are getting their pushed back by literally who human and Custard"
Why people who get their information from "loretubers" feel entitled to an opinion?

>>96492231
Space marines

>>96492193
>some retard last thread claimed these are on the same level

>>96492259
It's not even that, it's just people that are so out of touch with the idea of faction banter that they instead making their faction's hatred for other factions an actual genuine part of their personality, so instead of enjoying 40k they seethe about the rest of the setting, getting invested into power scaling shit first and foremost as if it were a matter of personal validation or insult.

>>96492250
Orks but that scrapy looking one not the one are atm in combat patrol.
Aeldari
Maybe space wolfs
Necrons

>>96492254
your explanation doesn't match any version of GW "necrons". They were either human-like chaos androids, or space tomb kings led by their still sentient highter classes. Even oldcrons were the same despite the C'tan.

You're just fixated in a headcanon about they being "alien" that has never been a thing.

>>96492272
None of this is getting a Christmas boxset, but you may want to wait next summer for orks getting into the starter set for 11th, so simply start grabbing the last updated kits and play kill team while you wait

>>96492272
Oh, none of those will happen this year.

>>96492268
Well said anon.

>>96492268
Yes, eldarfags are insuffererable

>>96492273
>your explanation doesn't match any version of GW "necrons".
You autistic FUCK, are you so addicted to arguments about canonicity you cannot even grasp the idea of hypothetical rewrites?

>they being "alien" that has never been a thing
they have always been an alien faction of lazily human-like aliens and nothing but even lazier cop out headcanons ever suggested otherwise.

>>96492275
>>96492277
so what are the predictions for this year?
Beside normal space marines

>>96492284
Case in point, you're so out of touch you end up genuinely hating not even just the fictional faction, but the actual fans of those factions.
Seek help.

>>96492284
Indeed : >>96492285

Can a hellgun kill a space marine in the lore?

>>96492288
everything you dont like

>>96492291
The faction is fine, the seething retards like you that have lost your mind because of them are not.

>>96492161
An updated version of that necron destroyer should come back.

>>96492288
monsters heavy nids
chaos with oblits and crawler
farsight tau
normal spess marines

My mate who works with GW publications and other stiff just told me in 11th edition they are removing weapon options rules so all units will have a set weapon profile. Sone will have a set core weapon and one or two special weapon profiles. It is to make it easier for the rules team and to allow for more variety in kit weapons. There is a new tactical squad that will have 8 core weapons and 2 special weapons for example apparently.

>>96492294
Hellguns are specifically strong enough to melt ceremite (power armour). And scion regiments have been sent to fight (chaos) marines.

>>96492293
Why would I be an eldarfag in your schizophrenic mind now?

>>96492297
repeat that 3 times while looking into a mirror, man

>>96492285
Your "hypothetical rewrite" sucks and misses their point just like you miss how Necrons neatly fit into the lore.
Muh lazier cop out is just you being a hipster sperg. 40k is not about unknowable aliens, even if they still exist as secondary interesting background baddies.

I've been a secondary for 15 years, bought+painted a Knight Errant, now I'm finally buying my first army to actually play.

Looking at buying either Votann, Eldar or Blood Angels.

Votann I like the idea of and want to support "Space Squats" coming back, but the execution of their regular units is very unsatisfying and bland, although some of their special units like the Arkayne Evaluator and Grimnyr are cool. And the Necromunda models are great.

BA have broad appeal to me, and I'd be able to use the Knight Errant in the army, but I don't want to be Marines player #288377492992. I could get over that, but I ideally want the classic Firstborn and Rhino and classic Dreadnought, and as I understand, those are all on their way out.

Eldar are cool, they would be my third choice if I can't get what I want from Votann or Blood Angels.

Please help me decide anons with a bit of info:
>Can I make an army with minimal usage of the Votann's boring base units, just focusing on the cool fluffy ones, and still have it be not completely shit for casual play among friends?
>Are Necromunda Squats models legal for proxying in general 40k play as Votann?
>Is it still legal to use Firstborn, Rhinos, and classic Dreadnought? Or alternatively, can you use Primaris with Rhinos?

>96492306
>96492308
Case in point. Note the much schizo tactic, a typical part of their terminally online shill script

>>96492285
>You autistic FUCK,
Pot calling the kettle black methinks?
NTA

>>96492315
>and misses their point
no U, necrons being actually humans all along has never been the point
EVER

and necrons were the archetypal unknowable aliens once, you cannot tell me with a straight face that I am missing the point while your only point is a cop out headcanon to get around the age old laziness in alien designs

>>96492288
The boxes are full of inventory they overproduced and need an excuse to dump. So probably:
>Grey Knights with the new GMNDK
>Eldar with even more Dire Avengers and Asurmen
>Krieg with lots of Artillery and fun emplacements
>EC with Fulgrim
And then a Space Marines box with like two of the new drop pods in it or something

>>96492316
You're going to have to expand on what you think the votann's regular units are and what the cool fluffy ones are. It is hard to advise otherwise.

>>96492259
Call us when Nids accomplish something at least once for 4 wars with Imperium

Heard rumblings of vanguard vets coming in the new 40k box set as well as multipart modern ork boys. Anyone know any more on this?

>>96492316
>>Are Necromunda Squats models legal for proxying in general 40k play as Votann?
No, gw will send the pinkertons after you

>>96492348
it's so likely to be practically confirmed, but I'd not expect anything very different from the ETB ork boys already on sale

>>96492348
Why would you think that any multi-part kit would come in a starter box? They might get a multi-part kit later after the first release wave.

>>96492328
You are obssesed with a few flavorful but throw away adjectives in their pre-5th codexes, but Necrons have always been Space Tomb Kings, period. The lovecraftian C'tan didn't change that, and in fact they're part of the same tropes (Nyarlathotep, etc)

So yeah, your whining is like complaining about aliens with funny foreheads in Star Trek.

>>96492346
they accomplish biting deeper and deeper into imperial territories, consuming worlds and furthering the side plans
>genestealer infestations
>establishment of the tiamet system superstructure (2nd tyrannic war)
>ferrying the nid deathstar into segmentum solar (4th tyrannic war)

>>96492362
Nids are neat, but pretenting they are ever going to win anything in 40k is delusional.

>>96492353
I heard it from someone who works there. It is multipart like necron warriors so either choppers or shootas. Bodies are monopose though. So you can make full units of either

>>96492365
dunno, but 2027 will be the 40th anniversay of 40k. It's only proper that at some point in the next couple years we get a full SM vs Orks box. And with Crimson Fists.

The new IF transfer sheet is already a hint, IMO

>>96492361
>but Necrons have always been Space Tomb Kings
no, they didn't, tomb kings weren't a faction when oldcrons were made, and the idea of being space egyptians didn't require the leaders being humanoids
>So yeah, your whining is like complaining about aliens with funny foreheads in Star Trek.
Yes! exactly! I don't like that and I'll never stop disliking that in a setting like 40k, necrons stick out like a sore thumb because of it and they had multiples ways to get around that retardation didn't need to fall to that low in the first place and they had multiple opportunities to rewrite and fix it all and missed every single one and now we're stuck with a sickass faction ruined by two extremely dumb elements

>>96492343
Thanks anon, I like the earthshakers, Arkanyst, Memnyr (I realise these are both characters), Brokhyr Ironmaster, Sagitaur, Cthonian Berserks (to a degree), Hernkyn Yaegirs killteam, and Grimnyr

Also the Necromunda Squat Ammo-Jack, Grendl Grendlsen, Champion with Mining Laser, and Ironhead Squat Prospectors Claim Jumper. I know those units don't have rules for 40k but was wondering to what degree they would work as proxies in case I ever take them to play at a GW store

>>96492370
It is planned for next year. I dont know about the chapter etc but I wouldnt be surprised if the launch box is crimson fist or something but not specific minis and then long term starter sets are ultrasmurfs

>>96492364
it's a setting, they don't have to, if they won something truly significant it would rob the setting of something truly significant, so it's forever pushed to an indefinite eventuality that we all hope is not going to happen or it means gw is bringing the end times to the setting

but only a retard would look at the rate at which tyranids are invading and eating the galaxy and thinking "yeah, they're losers, lmao"

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
I don't care about anything besides orks. they are both fun and grimdark

How old were you when you realized power fists are not for punching but for grabbing?

>>96492384
Power fists are for punching though.

>>96492384
power fists are for tickling

>>96492372
>tomb kings weren't a faction when oldcrons were made
uh, you're right. In fact it seems that both were developed at the same time in late 2e 40k/5e WHFB in White Dwarf articles. Interesting.
I guess it was more about the Stargate movia and TV series.
> I don't like that and I'll never stop disliking that in a setting like 40k
Anon, that trope is baked in 40k since the start. Orks, eldar... the ancient humanoid-like necron aliens are just part of the same trend.

The truly alien-like aliens are for other background factions, but even Nids get humanoid features.

>>96492384
No, they are definitely for punching, look, it's the power field doing the job.

>>96492380
Factions like the Imperium, Chaos, and Tau all got "wins" in the last editions lore, but Nids didn't. Read the room, anon

>>96492399
eldar get a pass because at least they can pretend to embody the nordic alien archetype, have the actual canon explanation of being made by the same creators, and their design language is about looking more alien thanks to the helmets
nids are alien enough, I'm not expecting truly realistically alien stuff

it's literally just necrons that I find too insulting for their own good

>>96492407
>eldar get a pass because at least they can pretend to embody the nordic alien archetype
What? eldar are space LOTR elves mixed with Star Trek Vulcans, they've never been nordic-type aliens

Necrons are part of the same tale that involves the Old Ones, the c'tan, eldar, orks, and terran humans. It's all connected and it makes sense that the ancient undead look them.

>>96491495
how do I paint crisp checkers? every tutorial seems to paint orks and they are all like "doesn't need to be too neat amirite?"

>>96492036
It's very telling that the forum dedicated to discussing the dark eldar has been dead for almost a year now. I'm also something of a dark eldar enthusiast and I've just been focused on WHFB for the last couple years. Nobody wants to play 5th and every other edition had boring rules for my collection (covens) of dark eldar. I've sort of given up hope of expanding my collection, frankly.

>>96492373
the necro characters can work easily as stand ins for votann's characters. Like the ammo-jack as a Kahl or Uthar/Buri, same for Grendl. Champ with mining laser as an evaluator or brokhyr ironmaster, claim jumper as a kahl or einhyr champ.

As for your list of votann units you like, its a lot of characters. earthshakers are pretty bad but yaegirs do see regular use. you could run this stuff, maybe doing so in a Delve assault shift detachment. You could do with a few of the boring stuff though, like 1 hearthkyn warrior squad, a landfort, maybe a squad of steeljacks.

>>96492231
tau, tyranids, chaos space marines, space marine terminators, and deldar

>>96492334
You don't know the first thing about GW's overproduced inventory, you fat faggot.

>>96492448
Enlighten me then

>>96492404
>Ogham
>Octarius
>Shadowbrink
>soon Laevenir
Hivefleets like Hydra, Kronos, Tiamet and Ouroboris basically haven't lost any battle they've been involved in. You're judging "winrates" (which is already silly) by Behemoth, Leviathan and Kraken alone, which is as silly as judging faction "performance" of CSM by, say, Black Legion and their 12 Failed Crusades.

>>96492438
Great advice on the Necromunda models, thanks.

I think I'll definitely take Yaegirs. Are steeljacks as tall as they seem on the box picture? They don't look very dorfy to me.

>>96492372
>I don't like that (humanoid aliens) and I'll never stop disliking that in a setting like 40k
That's every Xenos to get an army except Tyranids.

>>96492458
>Octarius
I give you that one, but the rest is cope compared to returning Primarchs ,splitting the galaxy in two, or bigger expansion spheres.

>>96492459
>Are steeljacks as tall as they seem on the box picture? They don't look very dorfy to me.
Yeah they are primaris marine size so they will be taller than your squat men.

>>96492462
>but the rest is cope
Warzone Laenvir is a direct threat of Nids unlocking Time Travel on the tech tree and forced Spess Muhreens to even work together with Eldar.
And both Shadowbrink Wars were decisive victories against highly unconventional foe being Chaos Daemons led by 4 Greater Daemons.

>>96492372
>I don't like that and I'll never stop disliking that in a setting like 40k, necrons stick out like a sore thumb because of it
They don't stick out at all.

Warhammer 40k has always been Warhammer Fantasy: In Space. It's in the fucking name "Warhammer".

Fantasy means Orks, Elves, Dwarves, Ratlings, Chaos, Beastmen, etc. Nearly every single faction is highly humanoid aliens, because the setting has ALWAYS been "medieval fantasy transplanted to space," and medieval fantasy races are... All humanoids.

Tyranids are the only 40k faction to actually look like unknown, truly alien aliens. They're the ones who stick out like a sore thumb as a result; Necrons fit in fine.
Nobody plays 40k for hard sci-fi with believable aliens. They play it for over the top fantasy tropes IN SPHESS (with a hefty helping of Dune, another setting where everyone is humanoid).

>>96492412
No, he’s also right about the Nordic thing. Stuff like Eldrad does pull from LotR and the snootiness is very Star Trek BUT the helmet design and the Rhana Dandra are pretty Nordic.

>>96492462
>returning Primarchs
Which proceeded to do fuck all
>splitting the galaxy in two
Which all factions bar Imperium and maybe Orks adapted to instantly: Startide Nexus, necrons being necrons, Kronos sewing the rift in places together where it needs to.
>or bigger expansion spheres
You certainly seem to have a biased if you rate an expansion sphere higher than nids taking a good chunk of a whole segmentum for themselves

>>96492479
>They're the ones who stick out like a sore thumb
bro they're literally from another galaxy (if even that)

>>96492370
>2027 will be the 40th anniversay of 40k
I think GW will just release an old space marine commemorative series model.
Keeping my expectations low.

>>96492479
It's funny, setting aside Tyranids, Beastmen might be the least human race, when they are litterally human. The Emperor had Beastmen in his holy guard on Terra when he was alive.

>>96492412
>Necrons are part of the same tale that involves the Old Ones, the c'tan, eldar, orks, and terran humans
no part of that tale ever made them children of the old ones, or father of humans, and even if it did, it would make them cheap aliens

>>96492500
>Its the 40th anniversary of 40k? What should they release? I know! A dark eldar raepmaster, mentioned once 20 years ago in the path of the dark eldar series. This is the true essence of 40k unlike a SM release.

>>96492510
Troondeldar are getting legend'ed and you know it.

>>96492484
Eldar helmets are a mix of ancient Greek city states designs and pre-LOTR movies elves art.
The Rhana Dandra is a generic apocalypse myth with stuff from several IRL mythologies, not just nordic.
And "nordic aliens" is a very specific UFO trope like Greys. There's no direct connection at all with 40k eldar, except in the most vague sense thought LOTR again

>>96492479
>with a hefty helping of Dune, another setting where everyone is humanoid
everyone is human, not humanoid, it's different.

and necrons stick out in 40k because the humanoid nature of the others is contextualised, it isn't for necrons, they're just aliens who look identical to humans for no reason, not aliens who look similar to humans because hybrids, or aliens who look similar to humans because they aren't actually aliens and instead come from humans, or aliens who were made by the same creators as humans.

they could have done way more for the real ruling necrons and they let down everyone who has actually thought about them for more than 2 seconds by not doing that.

>>96492510
The Hell raiser Elf Rapemaster is their core character and is already confirmed to be getting an new multi-part kit with optional rape accessories.

>>96492474
Be real. Both of these are irrelevant in the big picture of 40k
>>96492485
See above. Finally winning Octarius is something, okay. The rest is just nonconsequential.

>>96492510
>unlike a SM release.
remember, before "limited edition 2", pic related...

>>96492525
...there was limited edition 1

marines may be the posterboys of the setting, but orks are at its hearth and soul

>>96491296 (OP)
>TQ
Orks. In the grim darkness of the far future, they're the only ones having a good time.

>>96492518
EVERYTHING is ultimately "nonconsequential". No character will ever truly die. No faction will ever truly lose. Idk why you even keep arguing against it.

>>96492526
genuinely would be okay with this one

>>96492511
God it would be so funny but since they abandoned Ynnari as a concept I don't think we'll be so lucky.

>>96492527
>orange and teal orks
i can't take it anymore

>>96492526
>inb4 he's brought back as a named character, the only living krork, after escaping from trazyn's confinement

>>96492533
you should get your eyes checked first, you obviously cant' tell the difference between teal and turquoise

>>96492504
>>96492516
>they're just aliens who look identical to humans for no reason
That's because necrontyr were the original humans, and terran humans an offshoot of them. A classic trope just like in Stargate, trek or other pulp sci-fi.
You want 40k to be something is not and has never pretended to be.

>>96492516
>identical to humans for no reason
Do they? They're implied to be anthropoids but we have zero idea what they looked like with soft tissues on. They could've looked like blue proboscis monkeys with cockatiel head crests.

>>96492539
Look at the C'tan necrodermis bodies, anon

>>96492542
I mean I've never been a fan of that either but I am pretty sure that it has never been said if C'tan were modelled after Necrontyr.
So I always just kinda attributed it to C'tan being half-baked ideas as a whole as opposed to some indication that this is what Necrontyr looked like.
>those print lines on the bottom right
le mao

I bought some cheap jewellery chain to use on models and I have to say I really like the look, terminators and chains are a match made in heaven.

>>96492542
Wait, is that Necrodermis or energy that one is made of?

>>96492538
>That's because necrontyr were the original humans, and terran humans an offshoot of them
>Humans are 65 million years old
False.

>>96492529
>No character will ever truly die
Wrong, characters die or are retired in 40k sometimes. Like pic related. Or Creed.
And since late 7th ed there have been plenty of conquential events for many factions in the lore. But Nids are not just one of them.

They're just interesting nom-nom bugs, which is great but doesn't mean they're more than baddies of a edition.

>>96492542
whoever at eavy metal who paints the box art necrons is probably the best painter there, necrons consistently have the best box art models

Why are Eldar and Orks allowed to look like humans, but Necrontr aren't? What double standard is this?

>>96492538
>That's because necrontyr were the original humans
No, they aren't, that's the headcanon you've convinced yourself of to cope with this shit lore.
That classic trope doesn't apply to 40k because there weren't ancient humans who made all the other humanoids, there were ancient frogs who made all the humanoids, and the necrontyr have never been said or hinted or suggested to be part of that group of creations, nor were the others ever made from them or by them.

>>96492539
>Do they?
By all accounts, yes, same ears, same noses, same mouths, same fingers and toes, same limbs, same abs, same hair, same spines and teeth etc.
At best they had a different skintone and slightly elongated skulls.

>>96492542
this is a really really really cool model.

>>96492533
Orange and teal or blue is one of the best color combos you can have.

>>96492559
>Humans are created by the Old Ones
Xenology is very old very retconed lore anon

>>96492554
In that specific case it's only energy, the silent king is wearing the necrodermis skin of that ctan shard as a mantle.

>>96492559
>ears, same noses
Eh? Not necessarily. A lot of fanart that "skinwraps" necrons gives them flat nostrils instead of noses.
>hair
We don't know that either.

>>96492564
Humans being creations of the old ones has been reiterated elsewhere, even in post primaris novels like the great work, it wasn't just xenology.

>>96492553
yeah I used a jewelry chain on a frost giant I painted for Kings of War to wrap around his wrists and weapon (Similar to the Kharn thing). I'll use chains like these in the future.

>>96492565
digital cape

>>96492566
Fanart doesn't count, unfortunately in this case, official art and official fluff gives them noses.
Them having had hair on their head is mentioned in a novel where a necron lord reminisces of his wife's face, calling her beautiful even despite the tumors making some of the hair on her head fall.

>>96492546
>it has never been said if C'tan were modelled after Necrontyr
What else would they really be modeled after?

>>96492546
the ctan were modelled after the necrontyr's gods.
they had absolutely zero reason to have the bodies and faces of eldar or human, unlike the idealised bodies and faces of the necrontyr or of necrontyr myths.

>>96492555
>>96492559
>>96492564
It's still unknow if Necrontyr evolved indepently or were also created by the old Ones. But the realtionship with Eldar, orks, and humans is undeniable. Both cultural and biological. The C'tan bodies seal it.
And there have been hints about Old Ones somehow creating humans since RT, and they still appear in recent books

It doesn't matter if you don't like it.

>>96492553
kinky

>>96492525
>>96492526
>LE2 becomes Leetu
>LE1 becomes Ly'Un (or Le Waaagh)

>>96492590
...so Terra isn't some fancy sci-fi planet, it's Earth. I know I wasn't made by the old ones.

>>96492577
OHHH ty I've been looking for this art
IDK I think this looks good, not even too human even if its still Star Trek aliens

>>96492590
>But the realtionship with Eldar, orks, and humans is undeniable.
There is no relationship.
GW just hires bunch of unskilled, uncreative hacks who make up dumb shit and retards then start to using red twine to link connections where there really is none because the creators never actually thought about any of it and they just instead lazily copied the other shit they do because they are lazy and uncreative.

>>96492511
>>96492532
It's gonna happen in 11th. DEldar will get trimmed down to just what's available in the Ynnari, with Lelith and Drazhar included. The end of 10th will feature Vashtorr destroying Commoragh with Wyrmwood.

>>96492590
>But the realtionship with Eldar, orks, and humans is undeniable
It is completely deniable when there's no mention of necrontyr being made by the old ones, and there's an oldass sci-fi pitfall of making aliens develop in complete isolation identically to humans for no reason other than laziness in designs.

>>96492600
>Terra isn't some fancy sci-fi planet, it's Earth
yes, but the classic trope implies that ancient space humans came to Earth and seeded/directed the evolution of humanity for their purposes.

In 40k this seems to have happened 60 millions years ago by the old Ones

>>96492609
I dont like the mixing of DE and Eldar. The whole pirates thing was a special Yierl offshoot back in the day. It's just weird. Ynnari is also a dumbass word.

>>96492608
this is my take. It's just bad authors and GW's hardon for making things vague, numbers don't make sense, and everything is affected by the warp time fuckery

>>96492609
Yeah they're totally going to bin haemonculus covens right as they're reboxing wracks right now
Jog on fatrak

>>96492618
stop saying trope its our history and one day we will rejoin our human brothers and sisters who are waiting for us out in space

>>96492621
>right as they're reboxing wracks
Anon...

>>96492608
> the creators never actually thought about any of it
yes they did, there's multiple references to it since RT.
>>96492610
> making aliens develop in complete isolation identically to humans for no reason
See above. And the trope has a built in explanation seen in other IPs: they all have a common ancestor. That's the case in Star trek, Stargate and a bunch of others.

Hate this trope all what you want, it doesn't make it less real in 40k

>>96492618
I haven't seen any evidence of any aliens having been to Earth. I know humanity isn't 60 million years old.

>>96492625
I for one had a huge crush in the Ancient hottie that appeared in Stargate. Imagine if necrontyr looked like that.

>>96492564
Xenology is first order canon. Codexes are fanfic by comparison.

>>96492632
>That's the case in Star trek, Stargate and a bunch of others.
Not for all IPs and certainly not when they were first made, the explanation was made as a reply to the long decades of the trope running rampant.

And necrontyr specifically are never once suggested to be creations of the old ones.

>>96492635
Anon, we are talking about the past of Earth in 40k, not in reality. They're not the same at all

>>96492649
They are the *supposed* to be the same. That's whole idea. The Emperor lives among us, but he's just a guy hiding somewhere, so he's easy to miss. Expanding human history by two orders of magnitude isn't something we could miss.

>>96492648
>And necrontyr specifically are never once suggested to be creations of the old ones.
A detail that doesn't change that canonically they existed before all other classic 40k humanoid races, so they had to be the blueprint used by the Old Ones. The cultural connections seal it

>>96492609
I think I've seen your posts before. You seem to be in the know. How many campaign books are we getting for the end of 10th? What about model releases alongside them?

>>96492627
They're in the upcoming combat patrol. They're not going to stop selling them individually and only box a battleline unit in a discount box.

>>96492632
>yes they did, there's multiple references to it since RT.
No, they didn't. That is also them just being lazy.
40k is just fantasy in space, in fantasy humans, elves and orcs look similiar is because Tolkien made them that way and everyone copies him.
And it is a fantasy staple that elves and orcs, and vast majority of fantasy races, are just "human but x" because humans in general are uncreative and lazy.

Most of 40k also supports this, 40k isn't original in anyway. Pretty much all of it is just random shit the creators liked from contemporary scifi settings and then just shamalessly ripping it off. Like arbites being just Judge Dredd but 40k.
Or in case of Chaos, which isn't really a rip-off, but a direct almost 1:1 copy from Michael Moorcock's stuff with even the 8 pointed Chaos star getting ripped off from there too.

>>96492657
>They are the *supposed* to be the same.
Nope. There's a bunch of references in the lore that make Terra the future of a lovecraftian version of Earth, not the our real historical one. That doesn't change the Emperor being born as a human and living among humanity. It just means you have to pretend that lovecraftian/ancient astronauts stuff is real in 40k

>>96492632
...so it's not an ancient sci-fi trope on screen. It's a retcon that did harsh damage to Startrek's world building to appeal to the "it doesn't make sense they look so similar" autist. It wasn’t part of some grand Startrek plan, they just did it one day because too many people (like you) complained.

>>96492665
>uncreative and lazy
repeating that over and over doesn't make it true, just you unable to recognize what 40k is about. GW ripping off other works doesn't change it.
If you don't like it, you don't like 40k, so wtf are you doing posting here?

>>96492658
>so they had to be the blueprint used by the Old Ones.
Old Ones existed before the Necrontyr.
And what we know of Old Ones they are just humanoid frogmen/lizardmen.
They could've just used themselves as inspiration, or any other unmentioned xenos species because Old Ones and Necrontyr were not the only ones that existed all the way back before War in Heaven.
And since they are masters of genetics and creating life in general, making a mammal out of a frogman DNA would not be hard for them to do at all. Especially when they are also psykers and can use biomancy.

Again, there is no evidence of any kind that Necrons are somehow the blueprint for other races. Or there being any connections with humans, eldar and orks.
It's pure fanfiction you've come up with.

>>96492671
>lovecraftian
How do you think Lovecraft would feel about you using his name as a buzzword right now?

>>96492676
>repeating that over and over doesn't make it true
It is true however because that is exactly what the creators behind 40k are. You might not like it but they were not especially creative.
Even most fluff regarding Imperium in 40k are almost direct rip-offs from IRL history.
Like Council of Nikea.

If they're such a continual problem, why doesn't GW just rebrand and retcon the Rape Elves the same way they did the Necrons and Squats?

>>96492691
That's worse. Why do you want things replaced instead of just letting them die.
...also they aren't a problem GW could just ignore the vocal minority

>>96492658
>so they had to be the blueprint used by the Old Ones
No, they hadn't, 40k has never suggested they were, at any point and you cannot disprove the way simpler explanation that 40k is badly written with an alien race lazily made identical to humans with no rationalisation, simply with your desire for the setting to be more coherent.

Hell, it's not even just necrons, the old ones found humanoids independently from the necrons on the warhammer fantasy world.

>>96492698
>the vocal minority
you shouldn't call DE fans that

>>96492691
>why doesn't GW just rebrand and retcon the Rape Elves
Because they are rape elves. No amount of rebranding is going to remove cultural memory about them.
Also all of the old material will still exists, and everyone will just know the new faction as "Oh yeah, the faction that GW made solely so they could replace the rape elves." and practically all discussions going forward would probably just center around the fact that the new faction is "the one that replaced the rape elves".
Which is what GW doesn't want, because what corporation in this day would want to be known as the "oh yeah the miniature company that made the rape elves"

So it is just easier to get rid of them completely and never mention them again and pretend they never existed.

10,000 years isn't enough time for humans to naturally evolve into anthro cats or goats. Maybe the 40k writers are just dumb?

>>96492635
But anon, there are humans living among us that predate all human history. An annoying floating eye once told me that he met some of us that long ago. There's no way the crazy robot could be wrong. It didn't even express shock that a human being naturally lives that long.

>>96492708
Getting rid of them doesn't stop GW from being the company that made the rape elves. They also just made a brand new line of Rape Marines they're trying to sell with new updated Child Predators yet to come.

>>96492709
Perhaps a combination of genetic altering from the Dark Age and crazy ass radiation stuff. Maybe FEV.

>>96492678
>>96492699
Bullshit. For example Eldar and Orks were bioweapons created by the Old Ones and used against the Necrons during the War on Heaven. GW not fully explaining everything doesn't remove the tons of obvious overlap.
>>96492674
lol, what "damage"? It's a classic episode. The lack of a follow up was hardly strange given the episodic nature of the show.
>>96492679
I think HPL would love to be one of the most influential writers of the 20th century. He's immortal as Shakespeare now, even with the gulf in writing skill
>>96492688
> direct rip-offs from IRL history
Again, that's a feature. If you don't like it you don't like 40k

>>96492715
Soon

>>96492691
They tried with the Ynnari.
Turns out nobody gives a fuck about Eldar lore.

>>96492728
>They tried with the Ynnari
Let's be honest. Did they, though?

>>96492718
Why did that make them into humanoid versions of terran animals.

>>96492733
Yes, they did.

>>96492659
Space marines. We are getting space marines of Primaris variety

>>96492698
Does anyone even complain about DE? Most politics shitflinging I see is over the imperium

>>96492709
as much as the diversification of humans into abhumans was once childishly explained with natural selection alone, it has since been expanded with the notion that colonists were genetically modified for colonisation purposes
and no, this isn't just from the leagues of votann stuff, as much as that definitely cements the idea further, but was also suggested to be the case for example in the colonists of fenris and was definitely something perfectly in line with the capabilities of the dark age of tech humans.

by the way, it's not just 10k years of separation, it's way more than that, since humans began colonising the galaxy in the 3rd millennium, and even if we assumed the bulk of colonisations happened in the dark age of tech, that may make the earliest colonists isolate from humanity as early as the year 15k

it's still not much in normal evolutionary terms, but it's a lot of time for a race subject to artificial intelligent selection, on top of the natural one, and potentially genetic engineering too, or unknown space mutagens.

>>96492691
I've said it before the best way to deal with the Dark Eldar is to kill Vect and break up Commoragh into a hundred seperate subdomains of dread with each having its own Dark Lord and servants each with their own obsessions and disposition and flavors like a pantheon of Daedric Princes. That lets you keep some with the original flavor but not have all of them beholden as a rule to the torture and slaver society. Basically the same thing they did to the Necrons breaking them up in dynasties with some having the old flavor and lots of different new flavors.

>>96492751
But we would need a Slaanesh daemon to recreate pic.

>>96492748
We will see in the Warhammer conference later this month but I'm sure it's as you suspect and all the postulating will be about the ideological position of the Imperium and Space Marines as a well meaning fascist paragon ideal and it's effect on consumers and readers.

>>96492763
Vect is the Vivec of the DEldar so he probably is getting given over to Molag Baal (Slaanesh) one way or another and will please him for the rest of eternity.

>>96492748
I don't FUCKING know, I was just reposding to the idea that Deldar should be removed because they were politcallly controversial. I don't need to know if that is true or false to know what my answer is. No faction should ever be removed due to political controversy for any side of the culture war at any time.

>>96492720
>Bullshit. For example [irrelevant shit that doesn't prove your point in the slightest]

Again, you cannot prove that the setting is coherent with your headcanon and then circularly prove your headcanon with the fact that it makes things more coherent, when the crux of the discussion is the undeniable fact that fluff can be incoherent and that there was no attempt ever to fix this incoherence by suggesting anything else.

Until something undeniably says that the old ones made the necrontyr, there's nothing suggesting that headcanon is anything but.

>>96492769
...not even the Pygmies?

>>96492776
Did I stutter?

>>96492767
>the ideological position of the Imperium and Space Marines as a well meaning fascist paragon ideal and it's effect on consumers and readers.
what effect will this have on the marxist and activitist writers, artists and staff of GW?

>>96492775
I'm not saying the Old Ones made the necrontyr, I'm saying that it doesn't change that ALL other human-like races are offshoots of them. They're the oldest version of the template.

Terran humans may have been created by the Old ones, or even Necrons seeking flesh bodies to reverse biotransference or whatever. But the lack of details doens't change that they're all connected.

>>96492786
>muh marxist
american hours again, bah

>>96492792
Marx was Duestch

>suspect a genestealer or chaos cultist on planet
>stop an important crusade elsewhere and devote all its resources exterminatusing this one planet
>angry people tell you it was a monastery world with powerful relics, an important AdMech facility supplying everyone else in the sector, or that we just destroyed a Space Marine Chapter's homeworld over a rumor that's probably false
>execute him, then continue your quest to exterimnatus Terra, Mars, Ultramar, and everywhere else to ensure no xenos or heretical taint

I didn't finish any models this weekend but I think I made some decent progress.

>>96492787
>I'm saying that it doesn't change that ALL other human-like races are offshoots of them
that's an even more retarded headcanon and an even less supported or suggested one


and is yet again something you cannot say with any measure of conclusiveness simply because you cannot accept that the writers were so lazy to say
>yes, the necrontyr were a completely separate alien race that was incidentally identical to humans.

>>96492798
MarkX is Bellasarian

>>96492708
Slavery has been retconned out of several aos and tow factions and Fimir made it into Total War, GW is fine with a rebrand

>>96492801
same

>>96492769
I mean pygmies were genuinely offensive and bad

>>96492811
How do you even do the Fake Eldar without Slavery?

>>96492811
>Slavery has been retconned out of several aos and tow factions
This is bad.

>>96492816
soul slavery is acceptable

>>96492816
The same way they did AoS Chaos Dwarfs without slavery, call it a grim symbiosis and don't elaborate too much on what that means

>>96492814
offensive to whom?

>>96492748
The Imperium are the protagonists. Nobody gives a fuck about some shitty xenos NPC faction's politics.

>>96492816
Just ignore it and pretend it never happened

>>96492814
>offensive
Don't care.
>bad
A faction can be removed because it is bad. I would bet the Pygmies are poorly written.

>>96492835
The gals were removed from the dias because they got a separate photoshoot since for a long time afterwards they were sold separately and they didn't bother with painting a new pair for the stock photos

>>96492803
>incidentally
There's nothing incidental about it. Necrons existed before the eldar and terran humans, and they share cultural influences. So the later getting them from the first is the only logical conclusion.

In other words, there's no Mortarion or Maugan Ra without the Nightbringer, whose feaures come from the Necrontyr myths.

>>96492724
Yautja were fucking right about humans

Were the Tau, Vespid and Kroot all created by the Old Ones too?

>>96492840
the pygmies had great fluff

>>96492533
I'm in your walls anon you can't get away

>>96492691
Nothing about Necrons and Squats really changed

>>96492858
NO!!! THE NECRONS AREN'T LIKE THE ONES IN DoW!!! I PLAY DoW WHEN I WAS A KID, 40K HAS TO CONFORM TO THIS MISINFORMATION SPREAD BY THAT GAME, BECAUSE I PLAYED IT AS A KID!!!

>>96492846
>Tau
Kinda. It's was by proxy via Deldar as a perfect naive and good species to enslave and torture
>Vespid, Kroot
No, those are just monsters typical for this galaxy

>>96492841
And where are those girls displayed now, do you think?

>>96492618
Could you imagine how awesome it would be in 40k if they revealed the Old Ones were human cavemen? We could have fucking psykers with power clubs riding dinosaurs. Human Lord Kroak equivalents beating people with stone axes and spears made of necrodermis or some super metal.

Even better, make them Space Marines.
The War In Heaven was actually a battle between several Chapters and Warbands of time-displaced Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines sent sixty million years into the past. These battles were witness by the primitive Aeldari and Necrontyr, who the loyalists and traitors found and gang-pressed respectively. At this time the Aeldari were much more similar to Humans physically, which led to the Loyalists seeing them as abhumans instead of xenos. The CSM simply didn't care and enslaved the Necrontyr.
To this end it becomes evident that the Old Ones and the C'tan are not actually xenos, but are Marines deified by the primitive xenos.
Biotransference is, in reality, a Warp plague concoted by Vashtorr and unleashed by the Traitor Warpsmiths upon the Necrontyr.
The Aeldari were tought to harness their Psychic potential by Loyalist Librarians, while the Aeldari 'gods' were merely the various Marine Captains as well as the leaders of the attached Imperial forces.
Could you imagine a 40k where everyone is a Space Marine? Every human. Every Xenos. Every Chaos God and Daemon.
You know what I want to see? Some Chaos guy kills an Eldar or Ork. He grabs the head for a trophy and underneath, he finds somehow that there's a Space Marine helmet underneath the skin. Then he looks to his men, realizing he can see vague Astartes patterned shapes in their skulls. He looks in the mirror, realizing the same. Then he one day achieves Daemonhood, through some method that let's him see his patron Chaos God.

The Chaos God is a Space Marine too.

>>96492844
>There's nothing incidental about it.
Yes, there is, because there's no attempt to say that there's a connection and the coincidence can be explained more simply by the writer being a lazy hack who genuinely presented an alien race that incidentally looked like humans for no reason.
Again, you cannot disprove the incoherence with your headcanon and then prove your headcanon with the idea it makes things coherent, it's circular reasoning and not even the only option.

>there's no Mortarion or Maugan Ra without the Nightbringer
In that case the connection is explicit and rationalised in the fluff, and not at all because the necrons were a blueprint in any way shape or form.

>>96492828
>Technically, we aren't enslaving you. You're just deeper and deeper in debt buying food from the company store.

>>96492841
where did you hear this

>>96492865
Funniest thing is that Necron Lord in Soulstorm talks and in Dark Crusade Thomas Macabee openly says that his master the Necron Lord has his own plans. So he clearly isn't mindless puppet.

>>96492846
maybe
in the case of the kroots there's something that vaguely looks like them in xenology tablet and then in liber xenology there's an ancient kroot origin myth that may connect to a creation.

Xenology in general suggests that anything possessing vertebrates and/or a humanoid bodyplan was of old ones creation, potentially among other things.

>gonna sub-assemble 30 neophyte hybrids to paint their bodies
I wish I wasn't retarded

Fact: all Space Marines are homosexual. Every single one. Not heterosexual, not pansexual, not even asexual. All of them are full gay. No exceptions. And that includes Custodes and Primarchs.

>>96492903
>Why yes, I'm implanting my gene-seed into a younger adolescent. How did you know?

>>96492715
>Getting rid of them doesn't stop GW from being the company that made the rape elves
No, but GW can spin it as "hey at least we stopped making the rape elves and removed them from our game" instead of trying to rebrand them.

>>96492882
I am old enough to have seen various previous iterations of the webstore and remember the separate listing for the dark eldar slaves appearing at one point, with the stock photo being of the same models with the same paint job down to minute details/flaws in the paintjob.

>>96492913
Why do you care about preemptively appeasing collective shout?

>>96492832
Anyone with good taste, ugly models

>>96492887
The even funniest thing is that if you go by the very first appearance of the first truly named necron models, the first necron lord that appears in the narrative is a cackling killbot, not a silent one.

>>96492828
wait a minute, chaos dwarves in aos don't enslave people?

>>96492929
not everything in warhammer is made to appeal to the same taste
that's not a reason to remove pygmies any more than it would be a reason to remove space marines

>>96491670
>elite Imperium soldiers
>Tau overwhelming humans with sheer numbers

>>96492950
they still do, anon is bullshitting

but the total war ones, hilariously, call their slaves labourers at every opportunity, whether that's an attempt to not mention slavery or to not cross with the names of the mechanics for dark elves, who have an explicitly named slaves mechanic, is anyone's guess

>>96491670
you should stop getting your tau lore from helldivers and actually sit down and read a tau anything (codex, novel etc)

>>96492967
you tried this bait already a couple days ago, faggot

>>96492967
Good for him

>>96492966
>but the total war ones, hilariously, call their slaves labourers at every opportunity, whether that's an attempt to not mention slavery or to not cross with the names of the mechanics for dark elves, who have an explicitly named slaves mechanic, is anyone's guess
that does sound like they don't want to cross names. just like how non-SM factions have different names for armour of contempt stratagem

>>96492792
enjoy being jailed for wrongspeak online, britbong moron

>>96491670
The appeal of Tau is that they're young dumb naive morons. There's a reason their most famous lore point us opening a Dreadnought and bring horrified that the Marine inside is older than their civilization.

>>96491670
no, no, helldivers are made to act dumb in an otherwise rational setting
tau act intelligently in an otherwise irrational setting

on one end you have a patriotic dude thinking idealism is enough to face the worst horrors of the galaxy, and dying comically to said horrors because that's not true
on the other hand you have a very competent soldier facing enemies that think wearing tattoos makes them immune to bullets (as a hypothetical example), and that enemy actually proving himself correct and winning over the tau who are left dumbfounded at a galaxy they evidently don't understand

it's very different opposite points of view

>>96492950
I think WarCom hasn't specifically used the phrase "slavery" in relation to any of their evil midget reveals. Words like "thralls" and "vassals" are used, and it's described that everyone in their culture is beholden to others through debts of some sort or other, which is essentially saying there's a ubiquitous institution of indentureship. But I guess that doesn't cut it for some anons.

>>96492997
>and dying comically to said horrors because that's not true
After taking out several hundred of them and destroying important supply depots or launching nuke from behind enemy line.
>Otherwise rational setting
lol

>>96492814
>T. pygmy

>>96492997
>on one end you have a patriotic dude thinking idealism is enough to face the worst horrors of the galaxy, and dying comically to said horrors because that's not true
What's funny is that 40k has this but not from Tau rather its the Imperial Guard (from the Regimental Standard/The Imperial Infantryman's Handbook viewpoint)

>>96493018
How many times in novels have soldiers been shown to believe such propaganda as wholeheartedly as a helldiver would though?

>>96491851
>a shitty little pew pew gun
The standard tau gun will rip through most of what the imperium has like butter. If not for the orcs the imperium would have the shittiest equipment in the setting

>>96493032
the orks make awesome high tech guns, anon

>>96493032
Chaos and Genesteeler cults are substantially worse armed than the Imperial Guard.

>>96492878
> there's no attempt to say that there's a connection
>In that case the connection is explicit and rationalised in the fluff
anon, you're in denial

>>96493043
Counterpoint: genestealer cultists have more arms on average

>>96493009
No, because it sounds like they are twisting themselves into pretzels not to use the word slavery because the cultural commissars are looking over the writer's shoulders (though GW's writers will happily police themselves).

>>96493049
Genetic superiority feels so good because it is.

>>96492878
>the coincidence can be explained more simply by the writer being a lazy hack
Out of universe explanations are not in-universe explanations. You confuse your personal opinion with what appears in the lore.
> not at all because the necrons were a blueprint in any way shape or form
See pic related. This dude was carrying a scythe and was into a death cult before everybody into the galaxy. QED.

Look! It's John Dread from Space

>>96493062
Kill this Heretic

>>96493045
the nightbringer has influenced other races by being so terrifying and deadly during the war in heaven that the fear of its image is somewhat imprinted in the subconscious psyche of all living beings of the galaxy except orks and eldar, with eldar inheriting the image after the nightbringer clashed with khaine and khaine absorbed a splinter of it in the fight, so an aspect of khaine is specular to the nightbringer.

These 2 events have absolutely nothing to do with the idea the necrontyr might have been used as blueprint for all other humanoid races, which is not said nor suggested anywhere, nor it is left as the only potential explanation, since it's just as likely, if not even more likely, that the necrontyr were in the first place one of other humanoid creations of the old ones, or that writers are genuinely proposing that humanoids may evolve independently and be inexplicably identical, since nothing suggests the necrontyr were made, and the old ones found humanoids on the warhammer world.

Got a buttload of stuff from a guy yesterday, most of it was guard bits but there were some full kits

>>96492923
I don't. But GW does because modern corporations are spineless faggots.

>>96493082
>This dude was carrying a scythe and was into a death cult
Because the sculptor who made this thought that a robotic skeleton dude with a scythe looks bad ass.
That's the reason for it.

>>96493111
normally i'd tell you to fuck off for boxposting but this is distilled midhammer soul so i'll give you a pass this time

>>96492697
>>96492685
folks who don't like lore are losers

>>96493111
peak middlehammer

>>96492844
>there's no Mortarion or Maugan Ra without the Nightbringer
This is what the original Mortarion model looked like. GW made this because they thought that the daemon primarch of Nurgle, a god of decay and disease, would look cool if it was the Grimreaper. Which isn't surprising because the modern renditions of the Grimreaper specifically originate from the Black Death. It's the reason why modern version of the Grimreaper carries a scythe, it was to symbolize him reaping the souls of the dead, the people who were dead due to the bubonic plague which killed millions.

And this model was made long before the Nightbringer was ever a thing in 40k.
Nightbringer is from 3rd edition.

Maugan Ra on the other hand looks like a grimreaper nowadays not because of the Nightbringer, but because he is the Phoenix Lord of the "Dark Reapers" aspect. Aka an aspect which already references the Grimreaper.

GW designers are lazy, and Necrons aren't the blueprint for the other humanoid races.
They never were.

>>96493082
>Out of universe explanations are not in-universe explanations. You confuse your personal opinion with what appears in the lore.
The argument is that what appears in the lore is incoherent, since the old ones made humanoids and necrontyr are identical despite no indication of being another creation or a blueprint.
If you think they are any of the two, then you're confusing your personal headcanon with what is actually in the lore: a lazy inconsistency that was never justified with an actual connection.

Finished the first unit of Hive Fleet Polypus

I'm finally getting around to finishing up my 1996 chaos space marines.

>>96493147
he's talking about in-universe successions and connections, not real life successions and connections.

Why is there an anon in here trying to head canon the necrons into the (bungie era) forerunners from halo? Who wins here?

>>96493170
autism is the answer to both

>>96492767
>>96492786
>>96492792
Is the Warhammer Fart Huffing Conference going to be a free live stream? I'm morbidly curious about it now. And might tune in. With adblock on of course.

>>96493147
Oh hey I have him!

I kind of wish the plasmancer was sold separately instead of being part of a set

>>96493157
Very cool. I've been into csm from that era recently too. Got a lot of stripping to do though.

>discussing things with oldhead GW manager
here's something he mentioned, he said that a lot of game groups become cliques of the same people and they make it hard for a newer player to join something like the LGS game night because they agree to games the week before and play with their own interpretation of the rules and will only play what everyone else is playing and he described how he had to be a but forceful with people to cut that shit out as a manager 20 years ago

true or nah? I can definitely agree when it comes to the local LGS group, but the local gaming club (which is different to the LGS) is very freeform and will play most things and offer games to newer players and thus doesnt fit

maybe an LGS issue?

>>96493160
>but muh in-universe
Which don't fucking matter because the creators of 40k never thought about any of this shit when they made this shit.
They made necrons into robot skeletons who used to be formerly organic alien species because they thought it sounded cool and grimdark.
Eldar are either Old One weapon or were uplifted by the Old Ones because, again, the creators thought that this shit sounds cool.
Orks are explicitly an Old One weapon because the creators thought that making hyper aggressive fungus monsters who only love to fight and love war sounded cool and grimdark.

The reason why they are all humanoid is because 40k is just fantasy in space. And all fantasy races are just "human but x" because us humans are inherently pretty uncreative and like to create humanoid creatures because that is what we are the most familiar with.
This is the reason why elves 99.99% of the time are just "tall humans who live long and are good with magic" or why orcs are just "strong humans who are extremely brutal and savage".

>>96493083
How common are these on the second hand market anyway?

Imperial agents expansion is coming... I can feel it...
>TQ
Lunatics in space with tons of power and knowledge. For Tau I started 40k with having gunpla as a hobby beforehand and I really like giant robots with tons of guns attached, mechas with big guns are peak. Also they are by far the most interesting xenos faction due to being the most similar one to humanity
>>96491530
Friendly reminder the tau have a bovine-like anatomy so it's not out of the question they have big blue oversized bull cocks. Also we aint ever seen a female tau that's not Shadowsun and she's old as hell (or the exodyke dudes but that show looked like dogpoop)

>>96493237
the coverart for some novels have female tau no?

>>96493225
>the creators of 40k never thought about any of this shit when they made this shit.
It doesn't matter if GW though about it before or after. These are in-universe facts.
>>96493105
They did say that the C'tan influenced other races, and the C'tan character and physical shapes are a product of the Necrontyr. QED.
C'tans in the lore explicitly recognize humans as part of the same lineage as their enemies.

You are dense motherfuckers, ffs

>>96493244
The damocles and taros books don't feature tau in their cover art
Shadowsun has her
The Farsight novels have his big suit with the sword looking stoic or heroic
I think the elemental council one has one but I can't tell if it's a generic blueberry or one of the actual characters and even than they would still be past their prime oldtau
The Caiphas Cain one has one wearing a helmet so we can't tell
Don't know any other books with tau in their cover art

>>96493225
>muh in-universe
>Which don't fucking matter
It does matter when talking about what's real or not in 40k. This is not a debate about what the designers used as inspiration or lack thereof.

>>96493184
you can get a recasted one for like 7 dollars

>>96493266
resin necrons sound like a pain in the ass. Better to play plastic prices than deal with that shit

>>96493255
the anti-"Necron proto humans" are not arguing in good faith.
Thery're very probably eldarfags butthurt because they can't deal with their pet faction being just a runaway bioweapon nased un ancient humans and little better than orks

>>96493255
>They did say that the C'tan influenced other races
Not in the way you're implying, and only in what I have already highlighted.
>and the C'tan character and physical shapes are a product of the Necrontyr
Which is irrelevant to saying that the necrontyr were the blueprint for all other humanoids.
>C'tans in the lore explicitly recognize humans as part of the same lineage as their enemies.
Which is also irrelevant to saying that the necrontyr were the blueprint for all other humanoids.

There's no indication that necrontyr were used as basis for anything, there's not even an indication they were the only humanoids around! The warhammer world already shows other independently arisen humanoids.

The writers are just hacks and wrote in the fluff about at least one alien race that looks incidentally identical to humans.

I wasn't made by no old ones.

>>96491851
Tau soldiers are a warrior caste if anything they are edo period samurai and their worldview and perspective on things has been completely shapen by that position they were given at birth.

>>96493287
Of course you weren't, noone would make you on purpose.

>>96493291
I'm glad we agree humanity wasn't made by the Old Ones

>>96491296 (OP)
>Dark Angels: Terminator armor and bikes make my dick hard also Knights are cool
>Admech: I read that they had cancer shooting guns and it just kind of clicked in my head as a faction I wanted to play
>Dark Eldar: Pirates are cool as fuck and I like how they have so much room for conversion
>knights (kind of): I like how they're basically a giant canvass for painting cool designs and conversions and how they can easily slot into any human based army so I can show off the designs even without a full knight army

>>96493277
It is bad faith to pretend your headcanon is the only potential explanation for an inconsistency.
It is bad faith to make some dumb and wrong assumptions about the people you're talking with.
It is not bad faith to say GW has made no attempt to rationalise why necrontyr were identical to humans.

>>96493298
humanity was, your inhuman mutant ass wasn't

>>96493346
kek gottem

>>96493285
>muh irrelevant
You're in denial and grasping at straws. The only irrelevant thing is IRL opinins about their originality.
The Necrontyr were first and all the others came later. That's canon.
The Necrontyr and the Old Ones knew each other. That's canon.
The others were made by the Old Ones. That's canon.
The others all have necrontyr-like biogical and cultural features. That's canon.
The C'tan, a race eventually shaped by the Necrons, also share the same human-like form and cultural features.

They're all connected, and puttintg it all in chronological order gives a clear image despite many gaps in the story an unrealiable narrators.
The real schizo bs is pretending that they aren't despite tons of evidence in the lore.

The Old One's wouldn't piss on the Necrontyr if the Necrontyr were burning to death. Why the fuck would they clone them.

The noble Blood Angel is sad. You should say something dignified to cheer him up.

>>96493302
Your "argument" boils down to "nuh-nuh"
You don't have any better explanation for the facts, just nonsensical denial against tons of hints. You're either stupid or disingenous.

>>96492919
That same listing showed the individual Vect throne and his incubus guard as well, but those both managed to make it back onto the Dais on display in Warhammer World.
You're repeating a bullshit explanation that's been bandied about for years.

Humanity isn't 60,000,000 years old. Do you have any fucking idea how long that is? Do you know what we could do at that time.

>>96493405
>The Necrontyr were first
There's no indication there weren't other currently unknown humanoids before the necrontyr, either naturally evolved or already seeded by the old ones, the necrontyr weren't the first race, nor the only race around other than the old ones.
There's not even an indication that the necrontyr weren't a race uplifted by the old ones in the first place.

>The others all have necrontyr-like biogical and cultural features. That's canon.
That's not an indication of connection and the only cultural connection is from a very specific thing the nightbringer did.

>They're all connected
No, not necessarily, the warhammer world had humanoids without any connection with the necrontyr.

>>96493415
necron hands typed this post. the necrontyr were racist rich pedos who liked porking their 5 year old boy slaves and nuking other planets, the old ones understandably didnt give those subhumans shit

>>96493445
Why did they clone pedophiles? Why would the Old Ones use a race of pedophiles as a template for other things.

>>96493427
Your primarch died lol

>>96493443
This is not about IRL humanity. But a fictional space version that died before somehow being replicated millions of years later in Earth. Stop being stupid

>>96493451
what the fuck are you talking about

>>96493456
Dumb shit have you not been reading the thread?

>>96493430
>You don't have any better explanation for the facts
The old ones making the necrontyr too is a better explanation

And the point of the discussion wasn't to say what's the best solution possible, it was to highlight that GW made absolutely no attempt to rationalize things.
Your headcanon, or my headcanon or anyone's else headcanon is just that, fanfiction.

The canon is that the old ones made all humanoids and that the necrontyr were incidentally identical to humans, that's the extent of the canon, you won't find any of your or my copes anywhere in the decades of books about this shit.

>>96493455
>a fictional space version that died
Things that never happened for 400 Alex.
>somehow
Somehow the Necrontyr cloned themselves. Dark Magic, Cloning, secrets only the sith knew.

Hey bros can i ask for favor? I want to grab some decent Orks for my brother as a gift around 500points He likes those normal scrappy orks not the one in combat patroll so far i grabbed for him
2x10 orks boyz
can u help me with the rest of list?

>>96493451
>Why would the pedo elite in control of the entire shebang transfer themselves into immortal bodies to escape their races dying flesh.

I dunno retard, why would the top tier elite in control of everything transfer themselves

>>96493443
The old ones could predict the exact day not!columbus discovers not!america, 10k years before the fact, with a chaos apocalypse influencing the world and humans happening in the middle.


They could predict how pushing some shit around on earth after the dinosaurs would give rise to the kind of humanoids they wanted.

>>96493473
What are you talking about the Necrontyr and the Old Ones hated each other. Anon has been saying that the Old Ones made Humanity based on the Necrontyr. I am asking why the Old Ones would make a clone of the guys they hate.

>>96493480
The old ones didn't hate the necrontyr, they were merciful with them, allowing them to exist on their homeworld after they spectacularly failed the first war in heaven against them.

>>96493444
>There's no indication...
This is retarded. "There's no indication that something didn't happen" is not an argument.
> the necrontyr weren't the first race
they were 100% the oldest human-like species in 40k the last time I checked
>That's not an indication of connection
more denial of a proven canon fact
> and the only cultural connection is from a very specific thing the nightbringer did
the nightbringer wouldn't be the nightbringer without necron culture. The same culture and behaviur seen in the following races.
You clearly have no idea about Necron lore.
>>96493464
>The old ones making the necrontyr too is a better explanation
it works either way
> it was to highlight that GW made absolutely no attempt to rationalize things.
yes they did, you're just ignorant about it
>incidentally
that cope word again. Sure, space egyptians 60 millions of years ago is a coincidence. Just like eldar having similar icons.
That's not how fiction works

>>96493491
>they were merciful with them, allowing them to exist on their homeworld
Okay but why also make clones of them on Earth?

Is there any space for custom chapters in the Badab War? The list of participants seems to be very detailed and set in stone, no mention of any unnamed chapters or other factions.

>>96492955
Imperial Guard are the best of the best. They’re taken from hardened PDF, raised on the hellholes of the hives worlds, and only accept the best of those PDF. Your average Guardsman could snap a modern Delta Force soldier in half like a twig.

By contrast the Tau are much more soft and casual. Their soldiers are enthusiastic and indoctrinated, but not particularly badass or elite.

>>96493480
>>96493491
>>96493496
There's no clear facts about humanity being made by the Old Ones or the Necrons. It was one of the two, that's the only certain thing, but the reasons and the timing is unknow. Earth could have been seeded and abandoned to develop without supervision.

>>96493507
>There is no motive
>There is no evidence
>I just think it's true
Cool

>>96493501
No, being a "closed" story is the point of the Bad-dad War. even more so than the HH.

There's lots of SM wars, so I don't get why that one has so much following

Truth Nuke: It doesn't matter who humanity was originally made by because the humans of the modern era of 40k are a genetically created successor species crafted by the men of gold during the dark age of technology who eventually supplanted them and replaced them. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is extinct.

>>96493510
It has been stated serval times in the lore, just without context.
You needing more than that doesn't matter.

>>96493520
>stated serval times in the lore
By who?

>>96493519
Factually false.
There's pre-DAoT and DAoT era characters in the lore that aren't different from 30k humans.
Human offshoot species were all purged during the Great Crusade and going back to a baseline human genetic template was a matter of state policy for the Imperium

>>96493515
>I don't get why that one has so much following
Self-contained conflict with amazing story and top-tier books. People want to know everything about exactly because it is possible to know everything about it. Once they consume everything they simply want to be a part of it by inserting their army into the conflict.

>>96493530
>Human offshoot species
Yeah goodthing the Ogryns, Ratlings and Beastmen are extinct huh.

>>96493493
>This is retarded. "There's no indication that something didn't happen" is not an argument.
Yes, it is.
You're saying that the canon is
>the old ones made humans from necrontyr
but not only that's not actually in the canon elsewhere, it's not even the only possibility, so there's no indication that your headcanon is correct.

>they were 100% the oldest human-like species in 40k
a lot of species didn't arrive to the year 40k
there's no canon that says
>necrontyr were the first humanoids
or
>necrontyr were the only humanoids not made by the old ones
so you cannot take any of these as a certainty

>the nightbringer wouldn't be the nightbringer without necron culture
debatable, the nightbringer didn't embody the aspect of death because necrontyr gave it the body of their god of death, it was already known as voracious to the other ctan before being given necrodermis bodies
similarly the deceiver was a deceiving cunt before the necrontyr gave it its body, and they certainly didn't give it the body of their god of lies and betrayals, the necrontyr were dumb, but not that dumb
the shapes of the ctan bodies were those of half forgotten necrontyr deities but then each ctan reshaped itself to better suit their own personality, if anything it's more likely that that necron lord wields a scythe because the nightbringer chose to do so, and not the other way around

>that cope word again. Sure, space egyptians 60 millions of years ago is a coincidence
in hack writing that happens, and warhammer is not exempt from hack writing
if you can accept fluff can be written inconsistently and lazily, you can understand why anyone would consider necrons inconsistent and lazily imagined.

>>96493539
abhumans are just within margins and mutants do not qualify.
But aquatic humans and other far gone variants were genocided in 30k

>>96493507
we have multiple instances of the humans being underlined as creations of the old ones, no instance of the necrontyr creating anyone, and we also have an instance of the old ones finding humanoids other than the necrontyr and uplifting elves and humans from those.

the necrontyr are just random aliens that look like humans for no reason.

>>96493557
Good think Beastmen are extinct huh

>>96493557
If only the perpetuals, nulls, and navigators were all extinct too

>>96493471
warboss
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trukk
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10 gretchin

>>96493530
>There's pre-DAoT and DAoT era characters in the lore that aren't different from 30k humans.
The pre-daot and daot characters weren't normal humans but superhumans, and they similar to 30k humans in appearance only.

the imperium didn't exterminate all abhumans too different from the human template, only the ones that wouldn't bend the knee.
there are abhumans as wild as scales covered amphibian beings, humans made of plant matter, and blobby things without bones in their limbs.
Meanwhile votann aren't recognised as human enough because they have got a gun pointed at you and beastmen are getting their abhuman status revoked simply because they've got a bad reputation.

>>96493567
What's why that retarded "logic"?
this was about the idea of 40k humans not being the same specias as before. Which is wrong

>>96493600
beastmen lives matter

>>96493600
Humanity basically doesn't mean anything anymore besides one who serves the Emperor.

>>96493032
The Pulse Rifle is a pretty shitty weapon desu, the Lasgun is perfectly suited for handling most infantry in the setting, and any time you need something more powerful you have Plasma guns, which the Imperiums has and are superior in power to the Tau’s pulse rifle. And, thanks to Cawl, the Plasma guns no longer have problems with exploding.

>>96493605
this is the only important distinction to make

>>96492995
it's not a big deal, a random necron is way older than human civilization

>>96493612
>And, thanks to Cawl, the Plasma guns no longer have problems with exploding.
Don't mistake changes in rules for changes in fluff.
GW modified the "gets hot" rules on all plasma types regardless of their pattern or origin, there's no fluff about cawl doing anything to the plasma patterns that the general imperium keeps using, the primaris ones can also still be hazardous.

>>96493629
a random necron is a piece of unliving junk.
it doesn't have a chopped up living being torturously kept alive inside.

>>96493629
No, haven't you been listening? Humanity is 60,000,000 years old because some guy looked kinda similar

>>96493551
>>96493564
>more mental gymnastics and trying to muddle the issue
you just don't want to deal with facts
>you can understand why anyone would consider necrons inconsistent and lazily imagined.
yes, because you're one of those "people" unable to separate their personal taste from facts

Even the parts of my argument that are actually headcanon are at least an explanation. But you don't want any explanation because it stops you from dissing the Necrons and prove you wrong. Hence why you are lying on purpose.

>>96493602
I think that's wrong too. Then you said something else that is retarded in your response.
All human off shoots are not extinct.

Absolute kino

>>96493605
if eldar and orks were friendly they would probably be recognised as abhumans

hell, chances are that humanity did in fact meet other unnamed human-like races made by the old ones and mistook them for abhumans, or that the old ones planted humans on multiple planets and everyone else forgot they had a different homeworld.

>>96493631
Regardless, in general the Imperium has the Tau out-teched in every area. The only area where the Tau exceeds the Imperium is in fanaticism and indoctrination. The Imperium is capable of reason, the Tau are not.

>>96493656
I mean I guess I can understand people liking midhammer marines but these sculpts just look awful

>>96493656
>inb4 I dunno ask /hhg/

>>96493618
Yeah then why is it illegal to fuck beastwomen?

>>96493600
>pre-daot and daot characters weren't normal humans but superhumans, and they similar to 30k humans in appearance only
Wrong. Basilio Fo or John Grammaticus weren't superhumans.

>>96493673
They're all reserved as brides of the emperor. His sisters of cattle.

>>96493651
"Human offshoots" are not abhumans. Your misunderstading is not my problem

>>96493557
>But aquatic humans and other far gone variants were genocided in 30k
Good thing Pelagers don't exist.
Or beastmen.

>>96493690
Abhumans are human off-shoots

>>96493646
You're not bringing up facts, you're making a biased choice of assumptions and ignoring all other potential assumptions and then claiming it MUST be the only explanation.
You don't know how logic works, you don't care about facts, you continuously misunderstood the point of the conversation and keep making more retarded assumptions about the people you're talking with.
If you want to claim that necrontyrs were the first or only humanoids, you have to provide a citation, not point to a lack of fluff about a nebulous point of the setting's past and pretend it proves there was nothing else.

You don't even try to address the points I made because you cannot.

>>96493668
Anon, those are RTB01 beakies from 1987, literally the first plastic marines from the oldhammer era.
Midhammer only began a decade later.

>>96493681
Immortality is pretty super human

>>96493681
>Basilio Fo or John Grammaticus weren't superhumans.
I dunno, being immortal sounds like superhuman to me.

>>96493690
NTA but he means like… MORE deviated than abhumans. I understand what he means but he’s just wording it very retardedly (tbf idk how i’d word it either besides “more debated abhumans”)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hdrpv0rg/sunday-preview-helsmiths-of-hashut-and-necromunda-enforcers/

>On Warhammer Community we’ll be continuing our Helsmiths of Hashut coverage with Warhammer Design Studio roundtable interviews, revealing something rather sharp and mean for Warhammer 40,000, and checking out what went into the design rules and miniatures for the Palanite Enforcers.
>revealing something rather sharp and mean for Warhammer 40,000
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

How did golden age/age of strife humanity manage to spread across the galaxy without ever encountering or falling to chaos to such an extent that no one knows about it by the time of 30k?

>>96493612
>And, thanks to Cawl, the Plasma guns no longer have problems with exploding.
No, plasmaguns do still explode.
You just need to be a retard who constantly overcharges it until it then horribly misfires and kills you.
It's how the tau plasmaguns are as well. They just have built-in limiters so the user can't overcharge it.

>>96493681
Basilio fo wasn't that old
Grammaticus was uplifted to a superhuman status

>>96493656
I wish GW would do a limited run of these. I just want to paint one squad of them for display.

>>96493713
The chaos gods were weak and hiding from the Eldar Gods. Then they were infighting over the existence of Slaanesh.

>>96493717
Even further proof of the technological superiority of the Imperium then

>>96493713
chaos simply wasn't that active at the time

>>96493701
Your post is 100% projection, you're the one "a biased choice of assumptions and ignoring all other potential assumptions and then claiming it MUST be the only explanation."
>If you want to claim that necrontyrs were the first or only humanoids, you have to provide a citation
No, YOU have to provide evidence of an older human-like species. Because the lore shows the Necrontyr as the oldest in the timeline.

You are the one that can't deal with your non-explanations not being real. You want a negative solution because you don't like the facts.

>>96493703
>>96493706
Both of these guys were regular humans enhaced by xeno magic or bioscience. Not part of a newer human species.
Not even perpetuals were fully that.

Are khorne daemon/followers affected by blanks as much as other types of daemons are?

>>96493739
>nuh uh, i don't need to do something
You lorefags are fucking pathetic and this retarded necron-humanoid alien argument is a waste of time.

>>96493760
Yes

>>96493720
>Basilio fo wasn't that old
He was over five thousand years old by the Horus Heresy. And persisted at least another thousand years after he jumped bodies.

>>96493739
>you're the one "a biased choice of assumptions and ignoring all other potential assumptions and then claiming it MUST be the only explanation."
No, I'm not, I'm proposing multiple alternative explanations, including but not only the one you absolutely don't want to hear, which is also the one more in line with occam's razor, which is that necrontyr are completely unrelated and only incidentally similar

>No, YOU have to provide evidence of an older human-like species. Because the lore shows the Necrontyr as the oldest in the timeline.
That's not how logic works, you're asking me to prove a negative about a possibility, while you're taking for granted your assumption based on incomplete informations.

there is no fluff saying there weren't other humanoids around -> you cannot say there weren't other humanoids around
there might have been and they were simply lost to history, the way to disprove this possibility is to prove a positive: something that says that there weren't other humanoids around
the old ones were said to be seeding life across the galaxy even back then after all
plus we have independent humanoids already demonstrated to be around on the warhammer world and the old ones made humans from them

You're either genuinely unable to understand how logic works, or you're acting retarded out of spite.

>>96493790
That doesn't assure he wasn't affected by the genetic drift from the original status of mankind in over 20k years or by genetic engineering.

>>96493712
More like they're going to show off the one archon kit and the codex and get it over with and out of the way so people can shut up about it and we can get back to more space marine releases.

>>96493712
Metal dreadnaught, that will be pricey, but space wolf players will have to buy it.

>>96493712
>>96493846
WHERE THE HELL IS MY EQUAL ATTENTION CAKE JAMES?

>>96493875
I forgot whire scars and Japanese hands were a thing

>>96493875
Don't worry Whyte Saars. You will get a full week detailing all your new model rules and your new detachment and community painting projects. Night Elves can fit their full codex reveal in on a monday.

>>96493712
>Things are capped off by the legendary Dreadnought Bjorn the Fell-handed – also in metal – and supplied with a Space Wolves transfer sheet comprising 419 decals.
Bjorn comes with 419 decals?
Maybe decalfag was right and they are all meant to go on one model

>>96493875
Those floating tanks will never stop looking weird to me

>>96493893
>Night Elves can fit their full codex reveal in on a monday.
I swear they cancelled a Nova reveal show because they announced Blood Bowl 3rd ed also on a random Monday
Also please reveal the Malys model it's been 6th months since the sprue leaked

>>96493939
do not mention that fucking dumbass unprompted or he'll derail another thread

Drukhari reveals next week as well as Made to order Space Wolves

>>96493960
>Sharp and mean
It's Stormboyz.

>>96493960
>Drukhari reveals next week
Your image says no such thing.

I don't like Gue'la having the same gear as real T'au warriors. It bothers me on multiple levels, I could whine about the lore, but I wonder if it's an excuse to not give us new models and stat blocks.

>>96494006
I mean the tau still keep the good stuff to themselves. Pulse rifles aren’t that crazy by their standards. It’s like America. or the USSR flooding their neighbours with small arms and shit to use as proxies against eachother. Tau imperial relations are basically just a constantly seething Cold War.

>>96494006
>I don't like Gue'la having the same gear as real T'au warriors.
I don't think guela have the same gear as real tau warriors in the first place.

The tau were apparently very hesitant about giving flamethrowers and rifles to vespids because those were considered a honor of the fire warriors only