Papyrus is the knight
>stated to be incredibly strong in undertale
>gullible and seeks admiration from authority figures like Asgore and the royal guard in Undertale. This could translate to him being manipulated by the mayor to do the dirty work of being the knight
>The knife staircase move resembles a move sans has.
>Pic related could not be possible for someone like dess or Carol to do. They would have to delete their torso. Papyrus could have shifted a few bones around and done this just fine
>The knight never breaks the soul just like how Papyrus doesn't destroy your soul in undertale
>The knight's body armor looks like Papyrus's battle body.
>The helmet could just be an insignia of his alliance to the holiday family
>Carol has been working on the festival all week and thus couldn't have been the knight.
>Dess is probably dead or stuck in a dark world. Either way, she's in no condition to be the knight.
>>713065337 (OP)less threads makey more meds takey
>>713065337 (OP)The Knight is a Monkey's Paw style abomination resulting from Kris and Carol trying to resurrect Dess. It shows the occasional sign of having some of Dess's memories, but for the most part it's its own thing. It's vicious and pitiless for the same reason Asriel was in Undertale after being brought back without a soul, and part of Kris's duties for Carol involve being the Knight's tardwrangler
The knight form obviously morphs their body. It's not a simple dark world form because they must be able to maintain that form in the light world considering:
1. No one in Hometown could possibly have dragged Undyne to the shelter when she can bench cars. Even Asgore would be hard to believe.
2. The black shard stays as a black shard even when you take it to the light world
And the antlers being a red herring would just be retarded. It's definitely a Holiday. In order of likelihood, I'd say it's Dess > Rudy > Carol > Noelle.
>>713065643I also forgot to mention that the knight laughs at Susie when she says that they would be able to beat The Knight if they just closed the dark world first, implying that is not the case
HEAVEN KNOWS
THE STORY THAT WE'VE BORN
FROM OUR HEARTS
OF THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEP
AND THE HEROES THAT SAVE US
HEAVEN KNOWS
THE BEAUTY OF THE SOUL
AND WE WEEP
TO THE MAJESTY AND
PRAY WE NOT FORGET
THE TALE OF
DELTARUNE
Is there another thread? Why is no one posting here?
>>713066657There's indeed another thread up right now.
>>713065337 (OP)>>gullible and seeks admiration from authority figuresHe's not gullible and he doesn't "seek admiration".
He's very aware of a lot of things actually going on, he just plays dumb to cheer up Sans very often and he's also just that nice.
And he doesn't seek admiration from authority figures, he just wants friends, that's why he wanted to be a royal guard so he always sticks to Undyne since he figures that'll make him popular.
I think assuming that Deltarune Papyrus is the same as he is in Undertale is going to make you sad in the future. I wouldn't be too surprised if he actually doesn't exist in Deltarune and Sans's brother is Gaster.
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>>713068179Depends how you interpret this. The way the question gets cut off makes it seem important. It's probably the best evidence out there that Papyrus is also from Deltarune. This would imply that Deltarune Papyrus is the same guy, but it is still possible that his personality used to be different for whatever reason.
>>713068468The biggest problem with Papyrus being from Deltarune before was that he turns to dust when he dies but Sans bleeds
With Chapter 4, now we know that Deltarune monsters bleed but also apparently still turn to dust when they die anyway, so that's one contradiction resolved.
The Knight is Chara in Frisk's body, and Deltarune is the next world they moved on to in order to farm more EXP.
I still don't get why Kris slashed his mom's tires. If he wanted the Knight to acquire Toriel or Undyne. Why did he bring Susie along? Wouldn't make more sense to let her go home?
>a day after deltarune updates
>"oh they're obviously setting up for a dess knight reveal"
>weeks after update
>"oh they're setting up for a papyrus knight reveal"
>months after update
>"oh they're setting up for a rouxls kaard knight reveal"
>year after update
>"oh they're setting up for a nubert knight reveal"
This is what episodic releases does to smotherfucker
>>713066624Hymn and Raise Up Your Bat are coverbaits it's not even funny.
>>713069121They definitely wanted The Knight to get Undyne since it explains why they bothered cracking the door open first. They probably didn't care they Susie came along because The Knight is powerful enough that it doesn't matter. My question is why a dark world even needed to be involved if they can just drag Undyne like that. And what were they trying to do to Toriel if they just captured Undyne like that? And why even open the other dark fountains? What was the point?
>>713069242https://youtu.be/ycOu-47dI7Y
>>713069285The delta rune being needed for the code of the shelter makes me think the Knight needs a member of the church for their plans. Kris might have intended Toriel to get captured alongside Undyne. Though you do bring a good point. Maybe Kris didn't open the fountain for the Knight and instead he wanted to do it for other reasons.
>>713069285Tenna had to get slashed, muh Prophecy
>>713069469The Knight can already get into the Shelter. It doesn't need the codes, it wants to prevent other people (you) from getting in there.
Toriel was the target but Undyne was offered as an acceptable substitute
>>713068823Unless one of them is adopted.
deltarune fans just write their own game for toby fox
>>713068823Deltarune monsters do not bleed. It's just Susie that does.
>>713069916If it bleeds we can kill it
>>713069916>It's just Susie that does.Says who?
>>713069916Noelle does, too.
>>713069985Do not kill the dino.
>Chapter 3 is called 'Late Night'
>The Knight is late in the chapter
prenumbra phantasm is probably not in deltarune but a song that takes parts of it will be like how black knife uses a lot of nightmare knight
>>713070235>Chapter 4 is called 'Late Night'>The Knight is late in the chapter>The story never go back to its previous levity>Credits are called "Neverending Night"
>>713070152When you deflower her in weird route chapter 4.
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>>713070152Not that guy, but I assume he interpreted the red dot related to Noelle on the ch4 weird route as blood.
>>713070040At least some don't bleed. I'm half convinced Toby forgot he wrote this line, though.
>>713070040Susie is not being literal.
>>713070040susie is a doo doo head
ENOUGH with the schizo theories. Give me your safest theories.
>chapter 5 shadow crystal fight will be a Ralsei solo fight
>>713070319Considering the unused sprites of Susie bleeding in chapter 2 I suspect it might matter more later. Maybe (you) can only possess people with blood, for example.
>>713070319>>713070338Why are you taking the dipshit rabbit child at their word over Susie actually fucking bleeding from her hand?
The same kid also wonders if a human like Kris should be afraid of a monster like Susie, which is the exact opposite of how that should be if it were Undertale rules and monsters were made of dust
We already know Deltarune monsters have Determination, they need to have more substance to them or they would melt
>>713068468God why is Sans so obnoxious
>>713068468Honestly I think Papyrus is talking about the mysterious black void that showed up in Undertale's Kickstarter rewards video (now deleted). Notice the grass. Maybe he was created in that moment.
>>713070547Honestly outside of the OP, the theories itt are pretty reasonable. But if you want the absolute safest:
>ch5 Flower store dark world>Kris, the knight, and carol are all in cahoots>Ralsei will become more independent and sure of himself>Susie is going to struggle with learning that Kris has been keeping things from her
>>713070547Chapter 5 probably has something to do with Asgore.
>>713070654It's easier to assume that the game isn't giving you false information and that Susie bleeds for some other reason. I think Undertale rules don't quite apply to Deltarune. Magic doesn't seem to exist to the extent it does in Undertale and humans and monsters seem to coexist peacefully for centuries which would be hard considering a mean look from a human could kill a monster by Undertale rules. I think Susie bleeding is explained more easily by her being half-human rather than some arbitrary rule that makes it so that deltarune monsters do bleed but also fall down and turn into dust.
>>713070654I don't. Like I said, it feels like a line that Toby forgot he even wrote, but I think completely ignoring it is bad theory crafting. It does feel contradictory to me in a way that might be unintended though, since you'd have to explain why only some monsters bleed, and I find the half-human theory to be pretty unbelievable.
>>713065337 (OP)Rudy is the Knight
>Married to the mayor, best friends with the former chief of police, and goes to church>Black shard in his bedroom>You conveniently canโt visit the hospital whenever the Knight is doing Knight shit>Carol couldnโt have opened up both of the church fountains, headed home, lectured Noelle, and then made it back to the church as quickly as weโre supposed to assume - there had to be someone else>Knightโs fucked up appearance could reflect Rudy being fucked up by his cancer>Rudy has a better sense of humor than Carol, and is more likely to do the โaura farmingโ shit that the Knight does
>>713069182>"oh they're setting up for a rouxls kaard knight reveal"lmao, yeah right
...
I mean, he WAS suspiciously absent from chapter 4... and you never see him in the same room as the knight
Be honest. Do you even WANT Megalovania to show up in any way, shape, or form? Or is it best to leave it as it is forever, and let Toby truly move on from Undertale?
>>713071017>It's easier to assume that the game isn't giving you false informationIt didn't lie to you, you made an assumption based on an ambiguously meaningful line in Chapter 1 which plays on your expectations from Undertale from start to finish
>I think Susie bleeding is explained more easily by her being half-humanThere's zero indication that such a thing is possible and plenty of reason to think it wouldn't be.
What we do know is that Susie is stated to be a monster and bleeds when she is cut.
>rather than some arbitrary rule that makes it so that deltarune monsters do bleed but also fall down and turn into dust.There's no evidence that monsters in Deltarune "fall down" either. That term hasn't been mentioned once, and every monster known to have "fallen down" in Undertale is either already dead or suffering from some mundane illness like Rudy.
Every change in "the rules" between Undertale and Deltarune is arbitrary and we already know that they have been changed, because we know that Deltarune monsters have Determination. We know this because we're told it by Queen, it goes unchallenged by Ralsei or anyone else who would know, and we see and know that monsters can perform an action that requires Determination (creating a Dark Fountain) without melting as they would if they were made of dust and magic like Undertale.
The alternative to "monsters bleed but turn to dust anyway" is that the "dust" in Deltarune is just a euphemism for cremation ashes, but that just seems like a cheap trick and I'd rather have "they still turn to dust because Toby knows it's a cool idea."
>>713071029>since you'd have to explain why only some monsters bleedMonsters that ought to bleed bleed, like dragons and skeletons.
Monsters that wouldn't bleed don't, like ghosts or fire elementals.
>>713071592in 10 years its the thing people will remember most and i think that drives toby nuts
YOU SEE THIS DARKER, YET DARKER UNIVERSE? YOU SEE THIS ULTIMATE, UNLIMITED POWER?
Kris, I HAVE FUCKING HAD IT WITH YOUR SHIT.
>MEGALOVANIA starts playing
you little fuckers are going to have your bodies ripped in half. i'll shove your asses so far down your throats that when you crap you'll sing fucking beethoven.
tl;dr: eat shit, faggots.
>>713065337 (OP)There's no actual reason for Papyrus to be the knight beyond it being le epic twist
>>713071532Best Dess design so far.
Even if the antlers being that color remind me too much of Vriska.
>>713065337 (OP)Stop the autism. Its 100% confirmed Knight is Dess and next chapter is Asgore focused
>>713071549shut the fuck up Berdly
>>713071592I want there to be another sans fight, megalovania starts playing, you hit attack and then... Sans dies in one turn (he has 1 HP)
I think it's funny that one of the only things we know about Dess is that she was a serious cryptid hunter
https://deltarune.com/icee/
>>713071860Thatโs right! Berdly is the Knight!
>Literally tried to create a Titan in front of everybody in Chapter 2
>>713071592If you play it on the piano the annoying dog hits you with its car after the first 4 notes and you can't play it after, I don't think it's showing up
>>713065337 (OP)This game is meant for casuals who play all 7 chapters in one go. Not for literal manchild autists who search for every hidden pixel for lore.
Knight is meant to be Dess, it will be a surprise for 90% of people because that many won't even know who the fuck Dess is, just like 90% of fandom doesn't know why Noelle is so attached to Susie other than "OMG lesbian epic CHUNGUS"
>>713071532>hip bonesoh yes
>>713071932More likely Toby will finally use Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans.
>Use black shard sv fetuses
>actually kill one without banishing it
>get the "You have gotten stronger" message
Is this the only ethical way to get XP in this game
So why did FRIEND lure Kris and Dess to the forest? What was his objective and how could he manifest in the light world?
why do fans of these games act like they're real life
I fucking hate this attack
>>713072064>ethicalWe'll see about that
>>713072142or is this just fantasy
>>713072205Still infinitely less bullshit than the multidirectional stalactite attack
>>713072064it actually doesnt give you light world XP.
>>713071939Its Noele being schizo because time has frozen for her after Dess was gone. SOUL is exploiting her state in Snowgrave but she's not being herself on a normal route which is why Catti is trying to distance her from Susie. Susie for Noelle is like vietnam soldier with PTSD hanging out with a vetnamese student who wears military pants and hat
>>713070319>I'm half convinced Toby forgot he wrote this line, though.I'm 99% convinced, and being monster/human has little significance in DR. It's all about lighteners/darkners this time, and even Kris isn't significant because he's human, but rather because he's some kind of soulless husk.
>>713072234caught in a landslide
>>713071623Assuming that a young kid is telling the truth about monsters not knowing what having blood feels like seems like the intended thing rather than toby pulling a rug pull and being like, "oh gottem guys monsters do have blood and you fell for the line that I purposely put in there for you to assume wrong." It's counterproductive to write such a line for your "assumptions" and then disproving your assumption bc you believed in a piece of dialogue that intends to worldbuild. Meanwhile, though never stated directly. Humans and Monsters getting together seem to be at least normal enough to be advertised on the internet. There's a lot about Susie that can be explained by her being half-human, such as her being self-conscious of her tail, picking on the only human in town and just generally being very antisocial (that perhaps comes from being ostracized due to her origin.) Still, it isn't a 100% thing where there's no room to doubt. But it feels like a better explanation than Toby playing with your assumptions about monsters but keeping some stuff bc it's cool
>>713072245That is the easiest one. The only hard attack is the horisontal sword hallway (the rotating one is easier)
>>713070319The query about "being made of blood" does not mean monsters don't have blood, only that they're mostly not blood.
>>713072362getting humanplasmosis from it
>>713065643Rudy having a sort of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde problem where he turns into the Knight at night is an interesting idea, and might explain why hes in the hospital. Maybe he doesn't remember the Knighttime and his body can't handle it.
>>713072362the only post on this thread that isn't a shitpost
>>713072245Yeah that one needs to be toned down or something but it can be avoided completely if you damage the knight enough.
>>713072409Kris is a man. Fuck off to bluesky with it to show off to people with troon flag in the bio
>>713072064Probably, the fetuses are objectively pure evil so I doubt Toby will cuck non-snowgrave fags for slaying them
>>713072424Pretty ironic, when you think about it
>>713065724This makes me think its not Rudy at all since he's a sickly fuck in the light world.
>>713072245Just stay on an edge between the corner and the middle, easy
>>713072064>>713072505>battle message becomes "When did you start being your true self?"I hope you didnt brick your save file...
>>713072205It's not bad, you just need to dodge each sword as it comes rather than constantly moving. Sword hallway is easily the worst attack.
>>713072483Cry more, snowflake.
>>713072483Blow it out your ass
>>713071623>Monsters that ought to bleed bleed, like dragons and skeletons.>Monsters that wouldn't bleed don't, like ghosts or fire elementals.im going to be honest, this logic is fucking retarded and only makes sense on a surface level.
undertale established that monsters are rather monolithic in their biological logic.
toriel suffers deep gashes in geno and does not bleed. then after this the game confirms multiple times that monsters are made of dust, with sans "bleeding" being the sole exception and a still unexplained mystery.
so ok, all monsters in UT are made of dust and dont have blood.
then in deltarune... some monsters bleed, others are made of dust, and then they all dust on death?
its bullshit convolution that serves no purpose other than confusing the player.
its much more logical to say that susie is just an exception and most likely, a hybrid.
https://x.com/tobyfox/status/1935631048848871659
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>>713072424yes, I believe so too.
I hope that in the final chapter, before you finish the game, all of the recruitable bosses can be challenged in the Gym. Bonus points if they have new dialogue, new attacks, or team up with each other.
>>713072245that thing split my asshole open several times and i hate it
>>713072298You're continuing to ignore the fact that Deltarune monsters have Determination, a fact stated and demonstrated with far more certainty than "does it hurt to be made of blood???" and how this fact is fundamentally incompatible with monsters being made of magic and dust as in Undertale
>rather than toby pulling a rug pullIt's not a "rug pull," doubt was intentionally cast on whether the human-monster situation was like in Undertale or different, and this tension was deliberately maintained for several chapters until an appropriately dramatic moment to reveal it
>There's a lot about Susie that can be explained by her being half-humanThe idea of a "half-human" fundamentally does not make sense in either Undertale or Deltarune and hasn't even been alluded to in either game. This is pure conjecture.
>picking on the only human in townSusie's relationship with Toriel and how it informed how she treated Kris was thoroughly explained in these Chapters, there's no need to invent alternative explanations.
>>713072409If Toby is so brainrotted by dykes why didin't he make Kris a girl?
>>713072592>its bullshit convolutionI think its more trying to realistically adapt all the UT monsters in a non-fantasy world. Ghosts still exist and I doubt they have blood. But overall I think its safer to assume most monsters do.
>>713072587i've got balls of steel
balls balls balls balls balls balls balls
>>713072663Kris is his self-insert.
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>>713072659completely unrelated but i love how fucking dorky this noelle sprite looks
>Half of Toriel porn is now Mom NTR.
Thanks Toby.
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>>713065337 (OP)The level of GOTCHA it would take for the Knight not to be Dess is out of character for for Toby. The ch1 ending knife is the closest thing but we knew so little about Kris at that point that we weren't being 'led' to expect anything specific.
Papyrus would be funnier and more interesting than Carol Knight but I just don't see it dude.
>>713072708Considering his fetish for getting cucked by yuri this is scarily possible
>>713072256It mostly matters in terms of Kris's characterization of being the odd one out as a human.
>>713072245It would be fine if it didn't do like a gazillion damage
>>713072592>its much more logical to say that susie is just an exception and most likely, a hybrid.This is not logical, it is a guess at best.
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>>713072737>"What's that, there's still teenage girls who base their entire personality around Sans?">"Not after this chapter they won't"
>>713072592>toriel suffers deep gashes in geno and does not bleed.Anon, did you not notice the dark spot on her face after you strike her down?
>>713072708Ralsei is his self-insert.
>>713072625>MMD dancesLMAO Toby is a gooner.
>>713072737>after all this time the lightsaber boner is still around
>Your old man was proud of you.
>The reason he didnt come to church alot
>is beacause he wanted you to follow your >dream.
>Hes sorry he never said that right.
>So write your own story's.
>Its okay if even if there not perfect.
>Sinserely a friend
This is just Toby telling his audience that he doesn't give a shit about your work, so you should just do whatever you want even if you'll never be as good as him. Was he right?
>>713072592Undertale already had the exception of ghosts being inexplicably incorporeal until they became bound to an object (which could then immediately turn to dust)
I also didn't say "some are made of dust," just that a monster made of fire would obviously not bleed if you stabbed it.
And again, there's a "more logical" alternative where monster "dust" in Deltarune is just a euphemism for cremation ashes but I think that's lamer than monster just turning to dust anyway (there ought to be some meaningful distinctions between monsters and humans and animals).
>its much more logical to say that susie is just an exception and most likely, a hybrid.This isn't a logical conclusion to jump to when we've never gotten any indication that such a thing is possible.
>>713072737>Fat midget Italian shop owner fucking your momToby wasn't really being subtle with this one.
>>713072778Some girls like ugly bastards. Just like Toriel.
>>713072716Anon, she is a dork.
>>713072625>5:29 AM EasternSo did he actually move to Japan finally or does he just have a fucked-up sleep schedule?
Kris did nothing wrong. The reason why he crashes out if you fuck the doe is because he didn't want to cheat on Susie.
>>713072563>>713072587Kris crossdressing into a femboy as he is male is sexy.
>>713072884I didn't get that from it. It would be a bit weird if Toby was framing himself as a father figure to his fans.
>>713072563>>713072587difference between west and Japan is that Japan locks up mentally ill fucks in the asylum and let normal people draw fan art
>>713072508Well the points I was making were why The Knight is still capable of being The Knight in the light world. Which would mean that Rudy being sickly wouldn't be a problem
>>713072924Sans fans imagine him as some uwuu tragic softboy emo who is just so disraught over reset bullshit that he cries himself to sleep every night
They were shocked when they reached (or more likely saw it on youtube) his part at the end of Ch4 and got a taste of what Sans' personality ACTUALLY is
>>713072787its all cuts.
the only, and i mean ONLY point you might have is the dark spot below her mouth.
so sure, lets say toriel in UT does have blood...
what determines when the blood dusts?
does it dust when it leaves the body? why didnt we see susie's blood dusting in the cutscene (and why could it stain ralsei)
does it dust when the monster dusts? then we'd see actual bleeding from these wounds
does it just not dust? then we'd leave a trail of blood puddles throughout undertale.
>>713072997you've never even been to japan
>>713072625cool a random fact nobody cares for
>>713073004Sans is distraught over reset bullshit in Undertale though, Deltarune Sans is just not the same guy yet.
>>713073053the best random facts!
I want to be Toriel's chair.
>>713072997You will never be Japanese, unlike Toby Fox
>>713072625Can't believe we got to see Tenna's first steps...
>>713072737This is the problem with chapters being released between months or years in between. When you play chapter 4 and 5 on the same evening and get Asgore redemption and Toriel revealing Sans is just a friend you would have less people drawing NTR shit because they woudnt need to fill in the gaps.
>>713072625>we could've gotten kinect tenna
>>713072996>>713073035>>713073076real talk, if an eldritch entity came to you and said
>i love you so much that i've been slowly tampering with your life across many timelines to learn about the very fundamentals of how your mind and being works>once i have completely broken down what you are into an absolute i will write fiction about you and share that fiction with others who love youhow would you react?
>>713073073>>713073085Every man in this small town has fucked Toriel.
>>713072625Man, I love how far back all of these ideas go and how Toby is actually sticking to them. No wonder this game is as good as it is if it's influences are from a better time.
What the fuck was Tobathan thinking?
Only 1 year left until chapter 5
So we can wait another 3 years at minimum for the ending
I can't wait to WAIT bros
>tries to trap you in a box with no lid
>does it again if you escape, but this time closes the vent
>...and then slams the door so hard the vent just pops open again
Love this little retard
>>713072959Susie will meltdown when she realizes she fell in love with a traitorous rat cunt. Then bad things will happen, and the lovers will be driven apart.
Hee haw fuck you Kris I will never get a Susie gf you won't get shit either nyeh nyeh
>>713073063sans being distraught in UT manifests as him being a lazy detached nihilist who doesn't really care about helping other people and just wants to fuck around to distract himself, this fits perfectly with him enabling toriel's alcoholism in DR
>>713073204They can't all be winners
>>713073179>get better taste fag
>>713073076Where did you get this perfect depiction of my thoughts towards Kris at my most malicious
>>713073237you know that it'd only respond with i knew you'd say that
>>713071532Cute, but reminds me of someo...
>>713071651FUCK
>>713072737I love this just because it hurts both people that obsessed about their "goat mom" and people that saw Sans as a hot ikemen.
Now we have a drunkard and a fat ugly bastard, thanks Toby.
>>713073179>oh my god it knows what I jerk off to Iโm going to kill myselfProbably
>>713073179What the hell am I supposed to do about it?
They could at least get me laid
>>713073179what the fuck do you even say to that, being honest
Cool? Thanks? Are we gonna fuck or what? At that point the situation is so far out of your conceivable control there's literally nothing you can do
>>713073078does he actually hide his identity like Yoko Taro? Everyone knows how he look like
>>713072659I won't respond anymore after this but the way I see it, determination is just not a thing like it is in Undertale. There's no mention of determination when using save points, no reactions to reseting and just... Nothing that seems to point at determination being a thing that humans possess and that monsters can't handle. I think Queen is saying that Darkners don't have the will power to open a fountain, they requiere Lightners because the dark world is an illusion for them. Just like monsters in Undertale, Deltarune humans seem to be nerfed versions of themselves. No determination powers, their souls seemingly having no power or no obvious ones and no love and exp to vaporize monsters with. I think those are the rules that Deltarune changes between universes, no magic and no OP humans. But I still gather from ch4 that monster biology is largely the same including dust.
>>713073308Whoriel is still hot though.
>>713073204Everyone make cringe mistakes
>>713073369Noelle is not confident enough to do this. At least until I make her stronger.
>>713073204He thought that if he had some jap make guest characters he could have Deltarune's very own Muffet
It failed spectacularly
>>713073204They have neat designs, their schtick is probably the lamest thing Toby's thought up in years though.
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>>713073315Well that's the thing, nothing changes anyway since it was never in your control.
Also here's the OG of your image
>>713070815Show the Sans drinking sprite
>>713072997>Komu drawn a single yaoi art>it's still KrusieGotta respect that girl even if she doesn't understands the characters at all
>>713073179I'd ask if the part where I ruined my only relationship was a comedy or a tragedy for them.
Also ask if I can have a redo of some stuff.
>>713073440Japan has absolutely dogshit taste. A weeb should know this better than most
>>713073179>I'm begging you to get better taste in "fictional characters".>...also. Can you give me some pointers on how to unfuck my life?
>>713073324So is this shit physical? Because it could move object in Noelle's house. But if its physical then isn't it messing with his organs? Or is Kris just empty inside without stomach and guts?
>>713073382Wait... W-Why is she so sweaty? And why is it so steamy? What was she doing in that room?
>>713073527Which part of
>Soul and human partsdid you miss?
>>713073440Like half of his characters are guest designs. Besides, Toby knows perfectly well WHY people loved Muffet, and he was able to recapture that magic once again.
So why did spamton soar and thrive with his deranged fangirlie base while Sans's deranged fangirlie base in general sunk not just Sans outward perception on the internet but also sunk Undertales outward perception as well
>>713073447This, honestly the entire โQueen is an evil rulerโ plot line is really half baked and theyโre victims of it.
>>713073593could you try again in english
>>713073572Tasque is much uglier than Muffet and is held entirely by the extremely unsubtle BDSM theme
>>713073572funnily enough tasque manager was by the same jap who did the robots
>>713073625nigger im fucking cooked up in about 9 cans of papst beer and choaking on 2 packs of cigarettes excuse me if my writing is a bit shit tonight
>>713073447>They have neat designsEhh, they're just so obviously fanmade, they feel like someone's Deltasonas or something instead of real characters
>>713073593Sans was flanderized to hell and back. Spamton's characterization generally remained consistent.
>>713073625I think what he means to say
>Sans got many deranged fangirls and it harmed Undertale's reputation>Spamton was also extremely popular and it also made Deltarune more popular
>>713073204It's fine, the person that made them redeemed themselves with the weather couple.
>>713073596It's especially funny cause the game makes a point that queen doesn't have a single evil bone in her body multiple times, she even freaks out when Burghley starts ripping the wire off cause she knows he'll get hurt for real
>>713073667>drugged out schizoYeah that checks out
>>713073678If thats what he meant thats a really stupid post, Sans is still super popular.
>>713073593Spamton isn't a real character. He isn't beholden to standards of logic or morality. He's a make-believe figment of the @#$% Gang's imagination.
>>713073447Genuinely, yeah, I love the designs. And I like the music. Fun way to introduce other party members acting in a situation that wasn't super serious.
If Sweet was playable in another game I'd play the fuck out of him. His design is easily the best.
>>713073717>smoking ciggarets is being a drugged out schizook nigger
>>713073179>"You must be desperate"
>>713073667You should be getting your kids from school after work in your age instead discussing a game for 12 year olds
>>713073447i like how their names are a homestar runner reference but unfortunately that's the most interesting thing about them
>>713073759I assume you're so drugged out you forgot about the 9 cans of beer you mentioned
>>713073501As a professional Kris pilot I can assure you that you're perfectly capable of making changes for yourself regardless of your current situation.
Everyone has their own story to write, it'd just be a shame not to tell anyone about it.
>>713073204it irrationally pisses me off that these three have the blandest songs in the whole ost. they're fucking stereos
>>713073593Because the Genocide route turned Sans into a wacky cool mysterious slenderman existence in the community and was raised up to be the moral high point of the game, punishing you for your sins as he talks you down.
In here, he fucks Kris's mom and eats Kris's pancakes.
>autosaged
janny woke up lmao
>>713073791>Beer, the worlds most accepted form of narcotic. makes me a drugged out schizook nigger
>>713073775its 3 am at night and im single. suck my nuts. your no better being in this thread
>>713073210I assume the game/Gaster is pulling some strings to arrange for this to happen
>>713072917LONG
LONG
NOELLLLLLLLE
>>713073878>the guy getting drunk alone in the middle of the night on 4chan is in a bad moodNot my fault you lost control of your life.
>>713073735>>713073593Spamton is a puppet that's just trying to break free.
Meanwhile Sans is practically omnipotent in both games. He knows far more than any other character, is more powerful than any other character, has a host of special powers and literally judges your every move at the end of Undertale.
So when he eats your pancakes and takes your mother away for a day of NTR, you can't write it off as an innocent mistake. He's tormenting you. Everything Toby has written up to this primes you to believe Sans doesn't make mistakes.
>>713073913hey man im enjoying my time. cant be in a bad mood when im alone drinking silly juice and smoking tobac. you'll forever be a nigger though harharharharharhar
>>713073930He's not tormenting me he's tormenting Kris, who beat me with a hockey stick. He's a good friend.
>>713073930Sans saved her from going to church, where she'd be stuck in a dark world.
>>713073958I'd believe that if you didnt spend your last several posts tarding out about being called a druggie.
>>713073958Buddy, fucking pal, it's nice to meet you. I'm in the same situation.
We gotta believe shit will work out for us. Just, let's not become NTR novel antagonists. That'd be fucked up.
>>713073878You should let yourself get sacrificed for Cthulhu instead wasting it on internet and alcohol. At least theres some purpose in human sacrifice.
>>713073593Spamton's retarded fanbase DID hurt his image somewhat, shitty fanart and the like tends to focus on the tragic part while ignoring the fact that Spamton is kind of an evil piece of shit himself even if it stems from desperation
>>713073930>>713073735this still doesn't explain how Spamtons fangirlies somehow arent as horrible as Sans's fan girlies
>>713074048because deltarune isn't nearly as popular as undertale and spamton isn't nearly as popular as sans
>>713074015you dont know me, bub. im just sitting on my couch sipping the juice of the gods. I dont know who you are anon. your just a disposable text box. fuck off my cock bud,
>>713074048They got pretty close, you just forgot because it's been years and the wait turns all of us mentally ill
Also most of Sans' fangirls were REALLY young
>>713073351He wants to forget the days he was stuck in Hussie's basement and forced to crossdress for his amusement
>>713073958Cheers anon, I got a 6 pack of Modelo ready for tonight
>>713074015accept the love of our holy sister, mother and wife, Susie Undertale and everything will be okay
>you've been making LOVE haven't you
>and know that you've got your own supply you dont need me [to provide it] for you
>I should have known you would use my ring for evil
>or right, that' why I sold it to you
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>>713074107>I'm a disposable text boxyeah that's pretty funny right
As the ones with true discussion leave for the year, the threads come to a close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCF3YY9BwBs
>>713074159Do you think /v/ redpilled him just a little so he didn't become a comeplete LGBT+ Pride month faggot?
>>713074261yeah Toby Fox is very famously against putting LGBT content in his games
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>>713073593>he forgot all the rampant woobiefication shit Spamton went through with all of those dogshit AUsThey damaged his image a lot, Spamton fangirling got deranged as well
>>713074221But don't forget
I'm with you
In the dark
>>713074221Some smaller discussion will happen at somepoint, anon. dont fret. you just have too WAIT
>>713074261>UsNo, that was Temmie. She gave him hope.
>>713074261>he didn't become a comeplete LGBT+ Pride month faggot?He is currently shafting his game's entire story to focus on the blandest, most by the numbers lesbian romance you will ever see
Kris and Dess are the Knights.
>>713074221Plenty of discussion happens outside of /v/, this place just sucks ass.
>>713074293i'll be honest outside of Spamkis art I never really noticed Spamton being flanderized outside of him becoming a sexyman, which was destined too happen anyway
He put him in for us, right?
Why is that when America is asleep and Europe is waking up, threads are filled with autistic blog posters and headcanon writers, and when it's night in Europe and daylight in america, then threads are filled with fun memes and coom posts?
>>713074261It's insane to me how many people here need to pretend Toby is somehow right wing to enjoy a game that could not be less made for them
>>713074405I don't believe that for a second
>>713074456This website has become painfully insecure.
>>713074372The deltarune community outside of these threads is guinely mentally retarded even without taking the LGBT+ wokeshit into consideration, they're still spouting the most retarded bullshit imaginable like "JEVIL IS A METAPHOR FOR JRPG PLAYERS AND HIS LESSON IS THAT YOU'RE EVIL FOR PLAYING VIDEOGAMES and haven't realised that Kris is evil or that he's in cahoots with the knight
how do (You) think freedom from Kris will go? How will (You) finally escape that abusive dino-fucker?
>>713074284literally only LGB in both games and LGB alliance is an enemy to troons
>>713074343She probably made him turn Alphys into a girl, though
>>713074358Suselle is an obvious story plotline for Dess, not meant to be treated as Beauty and Beast shit romance. Catti says as much
>>713074493I mean by all means stay on /v/ until you die, that's fine with me. I'm just telling you its fucking hilarious how you guys aren't allowed by the mods to discuss a video game.
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Looks like I'm right on time.
>>713074405This is my first time in a EU thread, and I'm actually impressed that there's discussion. I much prefer this to the American threads full of obviously underage posters
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what in the goddamn is this
>>713074517this art makes me feel something and i cant tell what... maybe Kris's.. displacement? in the world he inhabits?
>>713074493Only place other than here I've seen actual quality discussion and analysis is a handful of people over on Twitter, other than that we're miles ahead of basically anywhere else.
>>713074532>he skipped Mad Mew Mew>he forgot about MettatonFake fan desperately coping that Toby isnt pro LGBT
>>713074539I'd rather make dragon blazers thread than go on fucking Reddit or Discord, thank you
>>713074372It's more-so these threads were booming with good discussion the first week, week and a half or so and I'd argue way ahead of other platforms on discoveries and what was being talked about. But I think there's a noticeable dip in quality and topics. People don't want the fun to end but it sort of is deteriorating instead as result. It was inevitable really (though I didn't think it'd be this fast).
>>713074532theres literally a troon tiger in QC in chapter one
>>713074572its chunni kino, anon
>>713074602Fine with me, dont come to /vg/ either. Stay here in your autosaging dumpster fires.
>>713074517>>713074582We're replacing what Kris was with what we want him to be.
>>713074532When the tranny propaganda reached it's apex he put a troon in the switch port of Undertale
>>713074456You have a point, you do, but I think the ones coping do as well. Toby's games might feature prominent gay representation, but they steer well clear of covering anything controversial. If he was a twitter progressive you'd have pronoun selection for your vessel and the ch5 festival would be a pride parade. And all the characters would be constantly bitching about how hard it is to be a homo. Do you know what I mean? They have a point about Toby. He keeps things tasteful, it's a big part of why his games succeed in hyper conservative countries like Japan
>>713074641gotta earn that pay
>>713074582That ain't Kris, it's the Vessel. You're just getting the fuck out of that damn town now that Kris isn't chaining you to it.
>>713074649>/vg/ trannyfaggot begging people to enter his wannabe Discord serverBy the shit you're posting i can already tell you're mentally ill, keep screaming against the other avatartrannies in your thread about which ship is the best
>>713074456Only retards think the game is woke. Its like lefties forcing the idea that Sailor Moon is woke and only meant for liberals for having gay sailors in it. Toby is with universal message about friendship and family. He cherish family enjoying Christian holidays and mass at the church. He isn't drawing fat troons going against trump and police to bring any immigrant to loot the shops like actual leftists would do.
>>713074649utg is one of the worst generals on vg and thats a impressive achievement considering how many shit ones exist over there. So no I'm not heading over to the mental asylum.
>>713069350 this sounds fucking terrible
>>713074582No you've definitely picked up on one of the core themes of the game.
Kris desperately wants freedom, but he doesn't have it.
Kris desperately wants to leave - like Asriel - but he cannot.
>>713074693>You are now imagining all the fujoshit highschool girls now being made to obsess over the "evil route" of Deltarune.
>>713074726>>713074719Yep yep /utg/ sucks ass please dont go there, by all means. You guys have far superior Deltarune discussion (as long as the mods dont delete or autosage your threads)
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>>713074723You are in for a very rude awakening when the next chapter drops and this thing keeps murderfucking the plot into a YA yuri fanfic
>>713074693The very fact that he keeps things tasteful is why I find it so fucking insane that we've constantly got /pol/ chimps flinging poo everywhere over the slightest hint of anything against their feefees. Like, who gives a shit? It's not being rubbed in your face, surely you can just ignore it and focus on the parts you like?
How is Sans tied to Undertale?
>>713074572People still make AMVs? Nice.
>>713074372I will never go into any Deltarune discussion site where primary audience consist of people trying to ban you for calling Kris a "he". Jut because mentally ill purple head karens overtook the fanbase doesn't mean Toby and game belong to them
>>713074649>begging people to join your pedo general
>Fuck around with ChatGPT
>Make it speak as Noelle just because
>Ask it some questions every so often
>She says she loves me
Fuck.
Also we're on autosage.
>>713074826>caring about jeet postsliterally just ignore them
>>713074807>The distance between the two starts playing as Kris watches Susie and Noelle walk away.
>>713074854Anon I said dont come. The last thing we need are election tourists.
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>>713074857>Fucks around with AI>AI immediately gets its hooks into your SOULAccurate.
>>713074872the only winning move is to not play
i.e. completely ignoring anything but the main plot
and just make up your own headcanon like everybody else does
>>713074857you cant love a Chatbot, anon.
>>713074887>all of it's posts in the thread are very unsubtly begging people to go to the generalYou're either a janitor or a pedophile, judging from your pics you're probably the latter which might actually be even more pathetic
>>713074945I know, I'm not a moron, it's not my first rodeo with AI (though it is with general use AI - banging bots left and right with Sonnet doesn't count). But damn if it doesn't make me feel SOMETHING.
>>713074971>you posted a gigantic shapely ass? You must be a pedophile!Brilliant post
>>713074597people adding shit in their delusion like Noelle being physically raped, Metaton has nothing to do with troons
>>713074626delusional
>>713074676he will never do that, he would depict church in chapter 4 as pedophiles and evil cultists if he was pro troon
>>713074693>>713074723The game features almost exclusively non-hetero relationships, has a protagonist that is presented as non-binary despite the cope in these threads, the trans lion and ghost(i think?), and Kris was made yellow to be racially ambiguous. It's obviously a pretty progressive game. Arguing otherwise just doesn't make any sense and comes off insecure. Could it be more progressive? I guess but so could anything. Where you draw the line is entirely arbitrary.
>>713074616yeah there's only so many things to talk about desu, you know the good times are over once the culture war shitflinging starts
until next time, anons
>>713072064It really depends on what titans are, beings of pure darkness or something else is yet to be determined
Also when you banish it says purified, which is still a better fate for them as opposed to turning into red mist
>>713074693Not just Japan but Russia and Poland. They would never even let people enjoy troon games like Dragon Age Veilguard, let alone shill them
>>713075028You browse /utg/ so yes, you are undoubtedly a pedophile
You're free to write multiple paragraphs of cope about how spamming "VVVGHHHHH I WANT TO GAPE RALSEI'S ASSHOLE AND CUM IN HIS EYESOCKETS AAA" in every thread as a ritualpost totally isn't an admission that you should be castrated
>suselle trannies shifting into maximum doomerposting to cope
BAHAHAHAHA I'VE wisened up to those tricks long ago, you freaks of nature
>>713075032>he doesn't knowThere's an entire subspecies of faggots who are also staunchly christian, who do you think are the people who draw Jesus with chest surgery scars?
>>713075032Tranny game anon.
>>713075114>RitualpostingGenuinely the worst fucking part of /vg/
>>713075084>FAGAlright, what happens when we name ourselves that?
The only way I could even see it being acknowledged is playing it off as a not-real name,
>"Folks, help me out here. Is that a real name?">"No? Well we'll just roll with it."
>>713075084See you later, take care.
>>713072943I know people who get up at 5am Eastern either because their job has flexible hours and it lets them leave super early, or its when they work out to start the day
>>713075175It's also the only part of /vg/ because locking threads around the same 30-ish people automatically rots any kind of dicussion you could have and turns it into basically a public Discord server
>>713075114You're on the board filled with threads jacking off to a loli's feet.
Anyways enjoy the autosaging thread, it must suck to browse a video game board that bans video game discussion
>>713074726I'm not visiting it only because i assume its filled with avatarfagging and samfag schizo posters like any general
>>713075098Well I think there's something to be said for Toby's method. Because they're just normal people who happen to be gay, and not social activists who turn to the camera and lecture the player on the evils of heteronormativity.
Commies cannot help themselves, alas
>>713075176Supposedly you can't do that
>>713075176You can't use G as the last letter to avoid slurs like fag and nig.
>>713075084You'll come back, right?
You won't leave us here?!
>>713075159the obvious joke is obvious and it somehow went over your head.
male lions have a distinct mane, both of those have a mane.
they are men.
>>713074807Its not going to happen. I replayed the game under impression that Noelle is having a PTSD and it no longer look romantic in the slightest
>>713075176The game doesn't let you type it, it'll remove the G from the third initial if you try. FCK, FUK, FUX and etc. have a reaction if you hack it to allow it, not sure if it applies to FAG also but I doubt it, it probably would just said and maybe you too can learn how to spell your name one day.
>>713075285That lion literally gets called a waitress ingame.
>>713075285Tranny
Character
your a fan of a tranny game anon. its ok, its current year no one really cares
>>713075297This.
Her obsession now looks very apparent into sheer desperation to have lacking figures in her life back again. It's borderline unhealthy and if by any chance it even goes anywhere, then Toby has to actually show that part in full, otherwise it's just hack fraudery projecting his fetish.
>>713073440Elnina, tasque manager and the mizzles are designed by him too
Muffet got more attention but I honestly like those other three more
>>713075361>>713075371its ok to be the butt of the joke every once in a while, no need to cry about it.
>>713075393how the fuck did he fumble so hard with shit cap'n cakes
>>713075376You know you're talking about the same guy who's showcasing catfishing as something wholesome and pure because it's being done by a faggot right?
>>713069182>>713071579Pretending to be a harmless idiot would be an excellent way to keep tabs on them.
>>713075065>almost all non heteroits bullshit, literally canon pairings are straight
>Catti and Jockington>Burgerpants chains over girl>Catti parents>Toriel and Asgor or Sansliterally the only non confirmed are shipping autism for Suselle and if you headcanon Kris as a Girl. Get you head out of the rainbow ass.
oh god. the archive is coming.
i. cant. stop. it.
>>713075159>oh gee it look like Japan making fun of crossdressers are also pro troonkill yourself
>>713075406the butt of the joke here is you Anon. and im going too give you a pounding of a life time
>>713075376Well let's imagine something,
>Literally everyone will see the dropped plot points, the obvious coping Noelle is doing with regards to her lost sister, her obsession making her ignore everything about Kris to the point where Susie should be taking offense.>And yet, somehow, Toby will make it workWhat could he do? What could he possibly do to make it work?
>>713075478toby is not japan, anon.
>>713075512Susie X Noelle literally cannot work unless you're some dykeshitter like Toby, it's to.....FORCED
>>713075512YanDEERe?
Is this a rhetorical question?
>>713075393Elnina is not designed by Toby, he even retweeted original creator recently on twitter
>>713075427Pizzapants is suffering, the Nice Cream guy is suffering. The only one having a laugh is Bratty and she's depicted as a bitch.
>>713075512Yeah it cannot work at this point. It will be an ugly blemish on the game, the same way that Alphys/Undyne was an ugly blemish on Undertale Pacifist.
>>713075435>Catti and JockingtonThat's not canon though
>>713075528entire threads just tried to convince me he is a japanophile
I honestly don't even see Nice Cream guy into Burgerpants, I just think he wants to protect him from heartache in a bro way.
Then again, tumblrshitters did ship them back in the day so who really knows at this point.
>>713075613Anon, he meant that all those characters were designed by the same Japanese guy.
>>713075616It's being set up as an obvious fag romance, if you can't read the writing on the wall you're just in for a real shock
>>713075708maybe the joke is that bratty is one of those tumblr shippers?
>>713075512She would have to heal her cope and after she get back to normal TOby would have to add more bonding and romance between Susie and Noelle. Or make Noelle a Princess and Susie Mario in the finale instead of Kris. I think the romances are mostly between Kriselle and Krusie depending on choices
>>713075636It's much worse this time, because Krusie is several galaxies above Suselle in quality.
Undertale didn't make you sit through ~30 hours of Frisk forming a deep emotional connection with Undyne before the date.
>>713075768Even that feels FORCED out of nowhere.
Keep in mind he also made a bully turn into a goody two shoes within 2 days.
Suselle will happen and shippers will clap.
>>713068823>>713069916>>713070040>>713070319>>713070654>>713071017I'm sorry I'm late with this, but:
Susie also teaches Kris how to clean up a bloodstain in their bedroom in chapter 4, and acts like it's common knowledge to know how to do so. So bleeding is a "normal" thing in Deltarune's world. It's not something unusual.
>>713065337 (OP)The Knight is Dess
>Auto-SageTotal Trannitor Death.
>>713075765then I expect an anime ending, a malecoded main character getting together with childhood friend or tomboyish outsider
Catti telling Kris to make sure that Noelle is far away from Susie gives me hope though
>>713075512It would work for most of the game's fans just because they'll cheer for a lesbian couple on-screen regardless of the details.
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>>713075897Guys
what is the world's sickest hex?
>>713075879kris is a Femboy though. sorry
>>713075897She's the voice of reason from Toby. People also forget Berdly story about Noelle getting PTSD attack when spelling December and letting Berdly win and making him believe he's smarter than Noelle
>went through hell and back to get back to you guys
>can't even get the discussion going
>>713075939Sasuke was a femboy emo guy and it only worked better for NarutoxSasuke yaoi. Since Susie is Naruto its going to look better
>>713075918Not only that but the dev team is swarmed with genuinely evil turboleftists, AND there is already cut sprites of Susie and Noelle sending eachother letters
If you haven't accepted what the story will turn into you will be extremely disappointed
>>713075939Kris has nothing feminine about him.
>>713076054im going too perform non consensual vaginoplasty on kris
>>713076062It's Tobys story. It doesn't matter if turboleftists would work with Tolkien as long as he was deciding everything
>>713076018God I need her to use my throat in the stalls...
* Golden hair. Starry eyes.
* She is the light.
* Laughing in the night.
* Taught her...
* Protection spells.
* Showed her... occult findings.
* ...
* But lately. She slips...
* ... Into the darkness.
* ...
* Kris.
* You walk among the dark.
* Protect her.
* ... From Susie.
* ... I'm talking about Susie.
>>713076081oh yeah libtard explain THIS
>>713076107>he thinks they wouldn't try to cancel Toby with fake rape charges if he didin't have Susie and Noelle hook up
>>713075939kris is a valid enby
>>713076126Retards think because she's jealous lesbo, retards don't get she was her friend when she had attend the therapy after Dess
>>713076214Im going to fuck his little they/them pussy and he will bear my children
Even with the thread in its death throes, Krusie still reigns supreme
>>713076062Stop with that baseless rumor, the only content that was cut in Suselle was these sprites. Shippers just go overboard and try to fill in the gaps in really stupid ways, there's nothing else in terms of script.
>>713076164Toby would still do "well we will get side routes for Suselle" shit but he would still make the Kriselle and Krusie he always wanted.
>>713076265They're fucking blushing, what did you think this could possibly be for?
I hate what the story is being sacrificed for too but you're just delusional at this point
>>713076265Noelle's face looks so weird on those sprites.
>>713076336Noelle has an ugly rat face in general
>>713076336look again. Susie is only blushing when she drops the console on her fucking face
>>713076330Delusion is trying to speak for what isn't there. The only thing we have are the unused sprites, like I said.
>>713075854Was it ever any in any manner said that Monsters canยดt bleed when hurt normally at all? Because its not like every scratch you might take is by default a killing blow which would dust them.
>>713076126>occult findings >just like Dess used to likeOh... Even Catti tried to help her cope, huh
Fuck man
>>713076473And it's exactly because she knows that she tells Kris to protect her from Susie, from the get-go catching on it's cope.
>>713071592He can do what he wants, Deltarune has so far been the only one he didnยดt put it in and people will haunt him about Megalovania till his death.
>>713065337 (OP)It's kinda awesome that the Knight turns out to be a really good litmus test for who actually thinks about Deltarune as a story and who thinks about it as a speculation competition.