can someone explain to me why the hell the game didn't just ship like this?

like what?

>UUUUH WHY CAN I SEE THE WHOLE ROOM INSTEAD OF WHAT'S DIRECTLY IN THE FRONT-RIGHT CENTER OF ME
It's not a third person shooter you retarded moronic imbecilic mongoloid mouthbreather uncultured swine

>>714410372
>seeing forward is... le bad.

>>714410372
>7 words
Just call him a nigger and save yourself the trouble.

>>714410578
for horror, yes.

i don't understand why there has been so much shitposting about this lately

>>714410259 (OP)
>>714410578
>modern games are made for retards like this faggot

>>714410259 (OP)
Because where the camera is looking isn't random, it's been carefully designed to convey information, obscure enemies, induce a particular feeling in the player etc. By fixing the camera you're severely diminishing the experience that the game was designed around.

>>714410259 (OP)
OTS games are made for consoles and controllers.
The couch distance is perfect but it looks a bit shit on the desktop and the short distance from the monitor. That's why PC power gamers like us push the FOV to the limit and OTS horror games feel a bit restricted in an annoying way.

>>714410259 (OP)
sovless as fuck. that kind of freedom destroys the atmospheric horror

>>714410259 (OP)
The cinematic camera allowed devs to control what to show the viewer, while giving them artistic freedom to design captivating set pieces and shots. It can also hide bad looking graphics, which is common in movies. The idea is give you an idea, but not linger on it too long otherwise the human mind will pick apart the defects.

But you don't actually care. You just want to bait retards like me.

>>714410259 (OP)
The zoomer hatred for fixed camera angles has completely ruined mood and atmosphere in games. All so everything can look and control exactly the same because they're too stupid to put the small amount of effort into adapting to something

>>714410259 (OP)
Because if you play through with this mod there are sections where the camera is clearly pointing to an item or POI that otherwise does not stand out whatsoever and you'd have a hard time finding it unless you've played through before. This then makes you scour every single room more thouroughly, which might sound nice in principle, but honestly is just tedious.

You can very easily miss important key lore-relevant sections like the iconic Vatiel while climbing the ladder scene if you happen to not be looking the right way.

That being said the mod is great because you can freely toggle between the two camera positions.

t. played through with it and a ton of other fixes last halloween, its great once you beat the game at least once.

>>714412467
Enjoy it while it lasts because after Bloober butchers SH1 they're coming for you heatherfags.

>>714410259 (OP)
20 years ago console fags were not yet house-trained to accept vomit-controls like moving a camera with a tiny joystick. So they had fixed cameras which are better.

>>714412467
also what this anon said:
>>714411983
it also makes the combat much easier, not that silent hill combat is anything to write home about

>>714412641
i already have what i consider a near-perfect version of the game downloaded and backed up so idc, they'll ruin her like every game with a remake ruins character design, but i'll still have the real heather on my hardrive

>>714412852
You will care when everyone forgets the real heather or starts praising the new one
It happened to Castlevania
It's happening to DMC
It'll happen to the original Resident Evils
It'll happen to you

>>714410259 (OP)
Why are you autistic?

>>714412641
Heather will be modelled and voice acted by Sphere Hunter

>>714412973
yeah but im not going to stop a multimillion dollar project because of a waifu, so the best course of action is just preserve what i enjoy and ignore the trannyniggerfaggotism of the outside world until it is washed away in the sands of time

Eileen shaving?

>>714413181
he still posts but he/his bot is much slower now
which is for the best because eileen is hideous and the worst silent hill girl

>>714413254
>he still posts but he/his bot is much slower now

I beleive it's jsut an autistic rituatl poster and it's not automatic.

>>714410259 (OP)
I like this because it gives me more time to look at Heather's cute but

>>714410259 (OP)

someone please post the sh2 fingerless glove meter webm, i wanna save it

>>714413654
COUNTRY ROADS TAKE ME HOME TO THE PLACE I BELONG WEST VIRGINIA MOUNTAIN MOMMA

>>714413528
lol his parents probably told him to get a job or move out

>>714410349
Like that
See
>>714410259 (OP)
>like this

>>714413779
Maybe he has to shave himself on the bed?

>>714413874
Like this, like that, like this this like that
It feels so good

cause being to see what's behind you is good. ots sucks

>>714413169
P
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S
Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_FdlBtEJw&pp=ygURemVhbG90IGNhbWVyYSBzaDI%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Savmy2M1EJs

>>714413963
It's 'just feel good'.

Eileen Shaving.

>>714410259 (OP)
You’re a moron.

>>714410259 (OP)
fixed camera angles are way scarier
they make scenes feel stifling and claustrophobic

>>714414650
>fixed camera angles are way scarier

Silent Hill rarely uses fixed camera angles.

>>714414650
You can see more with the original camera than whatever OP is doing.

>>714413963
>>714414213
Heather knows her cult techniques

>>714414650
For me it's the best in horror. Worked even for yakuza 1 and 2, too.

This guy is gonna turn into the next schizo shilling his third person camera every day. He’s been doing it for like a week already.

>>714410259 (OP)
boomers love their angles

you can't creep on a cute teenager unless the camera is aimed perfectly

>>714410908
So you can only be scared when the camera is as far away from the player character as possible?.

>>714415189
The heather dress up angle is neat, and I can see they were trying to push a dress up doll waifu angle with ehr. And teens are much more fashionable than adults. A lot of teh mechanics to unlock outfits is pretty obtuse too.

Oh and it lacked a "director's cut", which you just know was gonna add a bunch of new content to the game. Why no xbox version?! I gurantee you they'd add like 5 more outfits if it got a special edition.

>>714415238
Horror games generally want you to be on your toes running away from enemies and shit. Being able to see more adds more places to focus your eyes on. Make it dark and it's a schizo simulator.
You fucking niggerfaggot

>>714410259 (OP)
Fixed camera angles are artistic expression, especially when it comes to horror games. The designers can tailor how the game is presented and what information to shown and highlighted for the optimal experience. Behind the shoulder camera with precise gun aiming makes a horror game inherently less scary because you're more in control and just turns into a horror-themed shooter

>>714415349
SH3 is my favourite, but it flopped

even gooks want something new from time to time and by then silent hill's gameplay was starting to show its age compared to RE4

>having a limited camera angle makes the game scarier
well shit if that's true then why not just black out the vast majority of the screen so you can only see a little bit in the middle. That would be scary as shit!!

>>714413654
>Mary...where the FUCK are you?

>>714415763
Kill yourself niggerfaggot.

>>714415597
>SH = fixed

This is one of the weirdest myths ever, and I think people are conflating Sh with RE. SH was trying to innovate and move away from RE's fixed camera and 2D backgrounds.

it's mostly behind the character, and often for rooms it has a custom viewpoint where it swings around to focus on the character. They will periodically use a fixed camera for dramatic moments or to highlight something.

>>714411983
not a zoomer and I hate fixed cameras working against me in resident evil
>oh you moved 20cm let me just put you in a worse angle so you can't see the enemy right in front of you :)

>think OP is spamming these webms because he thinks it's funny how bad they look
>turns out he actually thinks it's superior and how the game should have been

>>714415831
pwned by logic

>>714415763
you mean like an fps?

>>714410259 (OP)
Am I missing something? This isn't too far off from how I played Silent Hill games since you can almost always reposition the camera behind your character. It looks like it's just doing that automatically, maybe adjusting the angle a little but nothing too crazy.

>>714415843
Reminder to laugh at nufans that pretend the original has a fixed camera when 90% of the time it's a third person follow cam behind James and only item pickups and puzzles switch to a fixed angle to highlight something.

>>714415949
if you have a healthbar why not just let you die in one hit? check and mate

>>714415843
I can't see a goddamn thing! This is the scariest game ever!!!

>>714416036
>>714416036
Custom viewpoint mod, with first person and ots as defaults. There was never a specific name for the kind of camera that SH games had, but it's sometimes called a "follow camera" or "behind the character camera".

>>714416275
Wish the first person had a viewmodel or something. Flying guns is too goofy.

>>714410578
Horror as a genre is built heavily on restricting your vision. Since it's scarier when you can't see because then you get paranoid.

Because of this the two best perspectives for horror is either first person (so you can't directly see around corners) or fixed camera (so the game can force some really claustrophobic views on you).

No immunity frames button???? no jogging monsters???? no First Person View????

SH IS COOKED LIL BRO COOKED

>>714415509
it's actually the exact opposite

>>714410259 (OP)
Because ................... ...... ............

Over the shoulder camera is why we have yellow paint over everything now.

>>714416528
>Wish the first person had a viewmodel or something. Flying guns is too goofy.

It requires a more complicated setup where you make 80% of the model other than the arms and hands invisible, and this is ultimately just a fan project by some brazillian. If you have a method to do this, feel free to do so.

I checked and i don't think it's open source at all, despite having a github.

https://github.com/zealottormunds/sh2cammod

>>714415843
>>714416083
Don't be disingenuous, they aren't fixed angles like in re, but the camera doesn't have nearly the same freedom of movement as in OTS and the game feel it gives is completely different, losing the moments where the camera is fixed on a point and swivels around with your character completely changes how the game looks and feels to play.

>>714416551
No one's going to pay $70+ for a fixed camera game, unc. You're deluded if you think otherwise.

The reason for the death of cinematic camera angles is not even the audience, it's the laziness and lower artistic quality of modern game devs, they are automatizing lighting, do you think they want to waste time carefully planning camera angles?
Just outsource the camera work to the player.

>>714417053
The original game ALREADY SOLVED THIS.

James, heather, and Maria, will dead on look at important objects as hints. They picked this up from Resident Evil 2 which did the same thing.

>>714410259 (OP)
I think it was actually planned at some point. Don't know where I read that. I am recalling something like that.
SH4 has first person moments too. They were definitely trying to get it right.

>>714417562
Heather if she mouthwashing

>>714412467
Isn't there just spots where there are no walls though?
This part might not be as good in first person too.

>>714417364
>Just outsource the camera work to the player
Grim

>>714410259 (OP)
a detatched camera can sometimes have more interesting shots frame wise, why everyone acts like all horror games need to be RE4 baffles me.

>>714417364
Nah it’s the audience too. Low IQ individuals get filtered by it.

>>714417395
FF7 also ALREADY SOLVED THIS with optional highlights of exits and where your character is. They should have these highlights as OPTIONS that you can disable. I don't mind options for retards, and I would love to see more SH style difficulty modes that split things up for retards. In addition to action and riddle, they should probably have "maze" difficulty.

People can't navigate for shit, which is fine. Hide the actually complex game in "advanced" or "hard", and let retards bum around normal mode

>Action, Riddle, Maze
>maze: hard is actually complex levels, normal is moderate, and easy is straight hallways for idiots

>>714417395
They'll look at important objects, the camera will point at it, there will be a light highlighting them etc etc. None of these things work with an OTS action cam.

>>714417364
it's kind of funny how games are trying as hard as they can to be movies sometimes, but have discarded shit like cinematic camera angles in gameplay to set the mood of a specific room.

>>714417807
no there are walls with textures even when the camera doesnt see them

also laugh at nufans who think that Sh2-3 have "tank controls" only. Most never checked the menu options.

>>714417124
I never said fixed camera wasn't (nowadays) niche as fuck. Yeah it filters a lot of people because they find tank controls awkward (because they play with a console controller).

>>714415105
>the next schizo
He already is one, literally copying posts from other people like a skinwalker. >>>/vr/11832525

>>714416036
Original camera for comparison. Melee is kind of awkward and the player is constantly hitting the camera button to reposition it, so that the camera is behind the player anyways. It is a bit harder to judge distance without it.

>>714418804
>Melee is kind of awkward
yeah, where are my dodge parrying mechanics?!

>>714415843
SH was definitely moving toward what RE4 did, but it would also be free to change the camera at times if it wanted to. You could definitely do something like over the shoulder mode in combat heavier sections. That's totally fine. Those areas tend to suck because of the tank controls.
But some areas should have more creative direction instead of just over the shoulder everywhere. That's doesn't quite work for RE4, let alone silent hill. I don't know why dead space and other games just had 1 point of view the entire game unless the character was dying or some other unique animation there was a cutscene.

SH3 especially needs a dramatic change with how it does camera work. It is incredibly frustrating to play and the camera just makes you bump into collision you cannot see, especially with things like Pendulums. Always bumping into those things because you can't tell where they begin and end.

Btw, these things are the most terrifying creature in any video game for me.
>dat screech sound is so fucking horrifying for me when it starts spinning, feels almost insectoid, like a bee with a knive flaying mindlessly
But after you've dealt with some, you begin to realise they're so jank with that tank camera and that kinda ruins them for me.

>>714417395
So I'm supposed to believe my character is a psychic or something and can just walk into a room and immediately make eyes at the important?

Anon RE4 hadn't come out yet, nobody even thought of using a third person shooter camera for a Survival Horror game, even less an over the shoulder one.

>>714410578
>AHHHHH CINEMATIC CAMERA HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714418274
The 2D control type was great, I remember games like Haunting Ground didn't even have tank control options, just the 2D type. Tank controls was a 5th gen thing.

>>714416275
This looks far more terrifying than tank to me.
I don't know why they went tank for this other than limited resources.

They end up doing half assed over the shoulder shit by the tunnels anyway, so it was kinda pointless to have any tank-ness for some things.
But in the empty shop stalls it could definitely do something more artistically creative with the camera. They should just go back and forth. Sometimes it's better to mix it up.

>>714419195
Yes, they know what they're looking for
You're retarded

>>714419195
Did you forget what game this thread was about? That's probably the most believable aspect of the entire series.

>>714419520
>>714419195
It's obviously a subtle visual cue to the player. I like this more than YELLOW PAINT or the character monloguign "huh matches. I should go investigate that".

But in-universe, the character is seeing something that catches their eye and wishes to investigate further.

>>714417092
It does weird creative pans and stuff too. It's not just over the shoulder or fixed all the time. SH switches it up regularly... but unfortunately it keeps using that terrible fucking camera in places like the tunnels and has awful cameras for the boss fights. Alyssa and God are the worst bosses in any video game I've played because of their camera. It's so bad and the combat just looks so fucking jank there.
The slug monster might be the only one which might get away with it, but even that one sucks.


But if they change the camera at all for this part, I might get mad. These scenes are perfect.

>>714417364
I agree that they really don't try with this shit much anymore.

This part here is perfectly shot ay.
The parts outside are... not, in any way, for the gameplay they are making you do.

I will say this:
>PT was surprisingly lazy with it's camera work at times.
Not even Death Stranding is like that. In fact it gets rather tricky with cameras a bit like MGS at times. Not sure what Kojima was cooking with PT because that could have gone further with his style of camerawork and framing.

I don't see why they couldn't use this game to master their camerawork and not just do RE4. RE4 is too easy and dumb. You need to change things where it is necessary for artistic reasons.

>>714418138
Oh cool.
That's baffling.
Wtf team silent.

I guess they were just cautious of bugs or glitches or something. Or the gameplay being far too easy with the better camera.
Or the camera just being rushed too much to change yet.

>>714418968
In SH3.

>>714419228
>Anon RE4 hadn't come out yet, nobody even thought of using a third person shooter camera for a Survival Horror game, even less an over the shoulder one.

Did RE4 invent OTS? I actually remember TPS of the era, and often the camera was behind the character. If RE4 invented OTS, it's even more influential than most think.

>>714418804
In SH3, the collision is so bad on some models it ruins the horror for me. Enemies end up feeling like walls and that's not a good thing. They should hurt more often I think. Not all times, but definitely more often. You shouldn't be able to walk this easily into them in SH3.
In SH2 you get away with it, it's a different type of horror. The enemies have to feel rather helpless and useless. The gameplay is more intentionally nerfed really.
SH3 is not that. It doesn't feel as punchy as it should and the hit boxes and shit are all fucked up. The enemies are kinda easy to deal with, which is a shame really. They should be super hard to deal with, but not because of jank controls and boxes. It should be done to get across the idea of feeling threatened and weak and up against the world of Silent Hill itself.

I'd go further, you know the bleeding and pulsing walls? Those should hurt and attack more. The solid objects of SH3 should be like walking on glass and rusted wire in acid.

You shouldn't be able to just stare at the bloody walls, you should be slowed down and harmed by a visceral looking thing like this. Like it's eating you, lusting for you.

>>714420946
Fade to Black also came out in 1995. It wasn't exactly good, but the idea of using that kind of camera for a more a game that was more of an exploration/puzzle focused thriller vs. pure action was out there.

>>714420909
>>714418968
The original game actually introduced a parry system but it's almost never used, and I think you need to NOT be aiming and hit x to use it. Since it's not very intuitive, most don't use it.

>>714418968
It should have this, but it should be pathetic but fair (expected given how it looks and what you're dealing with). It should be like you're struggling to resist the enemy and push it away out of fear of harming it. Honestly, James should be punished for physically attacking or resisting.

In SH3, it should just be hard but rewarded. Not silly though. Don't make Heather a superman. She's very weak, she's just overcoming her weakness.

>>714417562
boomers jizzed their pants at this artistic camera angle

>>714410259 (OP)
The remake is gonna look like this

>>714419195
>So I'm supposed to believe my character is a psychic or something and can just walk into a room and immediately make eyes at the important?
Actually that's a core to Silent Hill.
You're constantly finding weird coincidences at just the right moment. It will make you struggle between these moments, but when you are there they tend to be obvious and in plain site to almost mock you and make you feel like you're being tricked.

>>714418968
>yeah, where are my dodge parrying mechanics?!

It's mostly judging distance from the enemy, and wrangling the camera is actually a skill the player has to pick up (it's not intuitive). You try to get the camera behind James to make it easier to judge hits. The early town segments for new players is a really unfun experience if you don't know what you're doing.

i think behind the character woudl be my preference, with the character centered, but OTS also gets the job done. It's easier to judge distance.

>>714421326
It's underutilized, but it's sorta ok that it's like that because James would find it hard to resist out of grief and pity.
Heather would struggle merely because she's weak and pathetic (which pisses her off).

>>714418968
I'm not going to touch Silent Hill until they add rolling. The average person can roll without trouble unless they're fat, and you better believe people would be rolling all over the place if they were being attacked by spooky monsters.

>>714422325
Man, those models need to SCREAM and SQUIRM in pain more when you beat them. Make you feel guilty as they tank all your hits. Kinda undercooked it.

Btw, in SH3 they shouldn't do this, they should violently react and threaten Heather more when she hits them until the final moments where she's finally snuffing them to reward her effort. The thing deserves punishment, but it should make you work hard.

>>714422325
>i-frame dodging
>magnetic melee hits
>camera shake on hits
>back and forth almost feels like a turn based game
>each fight is laborious

I actually dislike the new combat in the remake, as it follows trends, while making fighting more of a chore. The camera shake on hits is a cheap trick to make the combat feel more visceral, and I especially dislike the mangetic melee attacks.

james also holds his weapons like a professional, whereas in the original he holds them like an untrained idiot. This has gameplay impact, as he doesn't handle recoil well and takes longer to ready his aim again. He especially holds the shotgun like a doofus.

>>714422325
God that looks fucking stupid, almost as bad as first person combat in skyrim.

>>714422532
>I'm not going to touch Silent Hill until they add rolling.
kek

>>714422640
>while making fighting more of a chore.
You don't understand the game if you think this is a bad thing. It should only be a chore in specific way though, like you need to beat it over and over just for it to torment your character every time you hit it more.

>>714422640
Original game is a nicer middle ground.

>>714415878
>not a zoomer
Spritiually, you are a zoomer

>>714411134
Because it gets replies which is all the zoomer faggots on here care about.

>see this
>oh neat, it'll be cool to look around the town in depth and see it from a different angle since I've beaten the games so many times before
>go on /v/
>UH THIS IS LE OBJECTIVELY BETTER I FUCKING HATE TANK CONTROLS REEE GIVE ME (YOU)S NOW

I hate this shithole

I don't understand people saying it makes combat easier. Was the thing giving you trouble your inability to face the right direction or something?

>>714422640
>webm
I kinda feel like the camera should be a bit higher, the nurse should be more in the shot and larger and James should be smaller or more out of the shot.

Also, he should hold it with conviction at the end, but tremble with it between hits pathetically.

>>714410259 (OP)
Over the basedlder is a fucking abomination

>>714422640
yeah the only time the new combat really worked for me was the Eddie fight because it wasn't just as simple as kiting and dodging the heavily telegraphed extremely slow melee swings. It actually felt like a frantic gunfight in a low visibility arena with two people who aren't really trained marksmen. the rest of the bosses sucked ass though

>>714410259 (OP)
I’m convinced that not being able to wrap your head around fixed cameras and tank controls is some kind of brain deficiency, like people who have no internal monologue.

The problem is that instead of just saying “This isn’t for me,” and moving on with their lives, these people demand that everything be accessible for them at all times. Hence, everything is now dumbed down to retard level and homogenized.

People who bitch about fixed-camera and tank controls need to be placed in the same category as people who bitch about turn-based combat and demand that Soulslikes have an easy mode.

>>714422640
>magnetic melee attacks

I absolutely hate this fucking trend of these overproduced cinematic combat animations where they just slide around the floor into position.

>>714422380
>It's underutilized, but it's sorta ok that it's like that because James would find it hard to resist out of grief and pity.
>Heather would struggle merely because she's weak and pathetic (which pisses her off).

it's refined and better understood in SH3, because you hold ready and then block. In Sh2 you have to hit x to block when out of combat which is very unintuitive.

>>714423250
What an autistic thing to get butthurt about.

>>714421326
>guard is explained in the Japanese manual
>absolutely nothing in the English release or any strategy guides ever made to the point that most players don't even realize it's there

Why are the Japs consistently so fucking obtuse about this shit?

>>714423164
>Hence, everything is now dumbed down to retard level and homogenized.
that's more of a AAA games budget and dev cycle problem. if devs didn't dedicate one gorillion dollars and half a decade to release singular projects at a time they could make more risky or niche products, but when your job security is riding on the one game you'll be releasing in a generation doing well, design will morph to accommodate as many people as possible because you can't really afford to alienate anyone.

>>714423375
Autistic site, normalfilth

>>714423062
You literally couldn't see if you were aiming in the right direction because of the tank controls at times. You'd have to guess what the hit box is in that particular view and then guess what the game wants from you. Even then, it just feels so inconsistent that it just kinda sucks and you just think "this should be better" which players have had from day 1 with these games. That's not something the player should think about at all ay unless you absolutely need the camera for an artistic reason that is absolutely necessary. You might get away with it a couple times at the start, but after that you should avoid that for the same enemies.

>>714423345
It's still kinda annoying in SH3 though. Inconsistent.
But I thought it was intentional.

>>714410259 (OP)
>>714410578
you want RE OP. it exists.

>>714423690
Tank controls have nothing to do with seeing, and you can infer you are locked on by James's stance, and if not, you back up and adjust the camera so you can see the enemy clearly. There's no guessing at all. It's not inconsistent in the slightest.

>>714423483
It wasn't explained well, and the controls are awkward, as you have to lower your guard and then try to block. It was better promoted and explained in SH3.

I think in all my playthroughs I accidentally blocked like once and was like "wtf was that?" and kept playing. With 2D controls especially you can dance around enemies and not get hit.

>>714423483
>be english speaker
>make game
>hire someone to translate it to spanish
>retard brownoid fucks up and forgets to include a mechanic in the manual's translation
>AYE CARUMBA WHY DE GRINGO DO DEES TWO UHS!!!!

>>714413654
notice how unscary and easy the game becomes when you play like this?
i wonder why it didnt ship like that.

>>714423250
It looks so shit when any model does that. Looking at you, Fromsoft. But all games have this issue nowadays ay.

here is the gameplay you so desire zoomer

>>714423757
It's not inconsistent in 3, you can block almost any attack with anything equipped, it's just not that good because you still eat a pretty substantial amount of damage. Outright avoiding a blow is better.

>>714423375
I think that anon is bang on, it's not scary when you see a character slide like an icicle.
Sliding like a slug is pretty good though.

Why the actual fuck is the image size limit still 4mb? I want to upload a video on here in decent fucking quality and for some reason chinkmoot still has a file size limit that would've been small in 2005.

>download remake
>Angela isn't barefoot
>Maria isn't barefoot
>Mary isn't barefoot
>The nurses aren't barefoot
>Eddie isn't barefoot
>delete it from my hard drive

Fuck this woke garbage.

>>714423961
>enemy and character clips through objects
disgusting.
SH2 original LOVED doing this and I HATED it. Ruins immersion.

>>714423909
>and easy the game becomes

SH2 is easy as shit. You have to actively try to get hit.

if you played on the Extra difficulties with lights saber only it's basically Jedi Academy now.

>>714423871
>Tank controls have nothing to do with seeing
Wrong.
>and you can infer you are locked on by James's stance
Also wrong.
>It's not inconsistent in the slightest.
Also also wrong.

Just wrong. Delusional even.
Everyone has these same issues with the game except you apparently.

>>714424238
>SH2 is easy as shit. You have to actively try to get hit.

Funniest thing is that my resource saving autism made the game harder on early playthroughs. I basically rarely used the guns, and saved all my shotgun rounds.

A recent playthrough I was using the shotgun a lot more liberally, especially on regular enemies and nurses. It just destroys most enemies in 1-2 hits, and nurses become a non-issue now.

>>714414160
I'd be okay with this camera if you unlocked it after beating the game once, Silent Hill 1 had a pseudo-first person camera unlockable

>>714423969
>It's not inconsistent in 3,
According to you.
But you can see cues that most people don't apparently.
Often I'd just get damaged when I would expect to block something. You can't even tell where the hitbox is going to hit you half the time and you can just walk into the enemies.

If I ran into their collision anymore before getting hurt I'd probably fuse with them into a new creature. kek

>>714423375
There's nothing petty about it
Think about it, a magnetized whore means the game is putting you in a fighting situation, there's no way you can slip past them like in the old game, they are an obstacle that you HAVE to defeat to progress. It's why everyone that played the remake is annoyed at the ambushing mannequins because the game is not about spoopy nurses anymore, it's a gauntlet.
There's nothing spooky about it, it's an action game.

>>714424572
What the fuck are you talking about? There's no contact damage with anything except the airborne Pendulums, and you just time the block to when the hit is about to land, it's a very generous window.

Related: SH3 needs an enhanced edition. The PC port is better than 2, but it has some visual bugs with shadows in high resolutions, and expanding the draw distance would help a lot.

>>714424650
>not just strafing

>>714424743
Didn't the Enhanced Edition team announce they were finished with 2 a while back? I hope they work on 3 next.

>>714424840
Yeah, they said they're done. Their site has spots for what looks like other games, so presumably they're doing investigations and tweaking with SH3 now.

>>714424676
I'm not talking damage, mere collision. Especially for parrying. It's so bad in SH3.

The IP count for this thread has gotta be below 30.

>>714424762
Strafing implies you're in combat
It's not a horror game anymore

>>714425065
>its not horror if there is combat
lol

>>714424992
weird, I never had a single issue with collision, my attacks or the enemies

>>714425123
Yes, that's what how 4 killed Resident Evil

In Silent Hill, even the wood gets rusty.

>>714422640
IM VIBIN IM VIBIN FR FR

>>714425349
Horror is a function of atmosphere, not gameplay design. You could make a boomer shooter that's scary as shit. It's all about the presentation. RE4 still has some shades of spookiness, especially the village at night, the regenerators and that one area on the island with the thing in the sack flailing around. Take out the kung fu and RE4 really isn't that more combat focused than the earlier games.

>>714410259 (OP)
The camera angles added a lot to the immersion, and they also point you to important things, but they can be annoying to people who never played PS1-PS2 era horror games.

>>714425053
Most are about 10 autists going back an forth.
30 would be odd for any thread other than those following live events.
Though nowadays 30 might happen more in threads which are being shilled.

>>714425973
lol you definitely need James in the shot.

>>714426273
Did they even test this?

>>714426778
>>714426273
They're kinda dumb, lord bless their souls they were trying. They were just mindlessly adding "modern combat" without thinking how it all balances out. It's just a bunch of no talent westerners trying to make something that was while uneven was at least original.

>>714419195
It's more like the character is happening to notice something interesting that catches their eye and you're supposed to investigate what that is.

>>714425065
Agreed, Silent Hill isn't a horror game

>>714421326
Wow a guard would have been so useful in the remake.

>>714426273
Weird. I remember dodging being extremely difficult in this game and I'm usually really good at dodge mechanics.

>>714427785
it's only hard in the prison area with mannequins because they're everywhere and sometimes the sound before jumping on you is bugged

>>714411983
>>714422880
>le zoomer
Fixed angles died out when millennials were the main demographic, dumbass

>>714410259 (OP)
1. The devs have said that camera angles were tilted down to reduce what was rendered at a time.
2. They didn't know that OTS is an option, as RE4 wasn't released yet.

>people need to make old silent hills third person
>when there's a perfectly fine third person silent hill game

>>714423250
>these overproduced cinematic combat animations

That's not what's going on, you see the same thing with dice roll mechanics; it's was determined that the attack will hit and the laziest way to make it work when you dodge out of the way is to slide the characters into position for the choreography. If they didn't bake in the syncing of the attack and hit animations then they would have to make james respond dynamically with a partial ragdoll which takes some talent that the devs don't have.

>>714428383
bingo, there's no actual hit detection

>>714428383
>it's was determined that the attack will hit and the laziest way to make it work when you dodge out of the way is to slide the characters into position for the choreography
Why would you have the enemy skate into place so the attack still connects instead of letting them whiff the air if the player has physically gotten out of the way? Isn't that the entire point behind the concept of a dodge, getting the fuck out of the way of an attack?

>>714428509
So if I understand this right: the enemy is glitching out and not in an "attack" mode, thus when James tries to attack it everything wiffs because the weapons are not "really" doing damage, it's just for show. when you get into combat, the visuals are for show, and your weapon itself doesn't do anything, it's instead this dance of inputs? That's why everything has to be magnetic then?

This is why it FEELS like a turn based combat when you enter into melee, because it kinda is?

>>714422640
that's fuckin sick though

>>714429123
It's the same style of combat as Callisto Protocol, it's all canned cinematic animations, since the enemy is stuck in the geometry his attack animations can't connect the way they are supposed to and he can't actually strike it.

>>714428590
Because it would require hit detection with the position of the weapon and you open up the possibility for the attack to connect anywhere along the arc that the weapon is swinging and then the designer has to handle james reaction to that. For example james could be facing away from the nurse and get clocked on the back of the head which requires a whole new set of animations. A good developer would find a way to make james dynamic.

The talentless fucks at bloober team most likely started prototyping the combat with grey boxes instead of animated models which means working off of distance and timing based rules instead of real hit detection and then just built on top of that because they didn't give a fuck and were just churning out a product.

>>714429751
Wouldn't you just need a few hit reaction animations? Nothing complex just "James lurches forwards and grunts in pain" if you get bonked in the back of the head.

>>714429503
>it's all canned cinematic animations,

That's what it feels like and i hate it. The old combat while unpolished by today's standards was at least REAL.

>>714410259 (OP)
Over the shoulder games didn't catch on until the original RE4. I like both styles but I'd prefer if they kept the fixed camera angles for SH3.

>>714429751
The wildest shit is that there is nothing stopping them from just using the real SH2 as a base, which already has this, then just adding in new models and environments. It would seem better to build on something rather than to make a hasty shanty town in 6 months that looks nice from a distance.

Apparently gamers don't care? That's the sad part.

>>714410259 (OP)
Like what?

these games all look the same now.

>>714416752
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>714429751
>The talentless fucks at bloober team most likely started prototyping the combat with grey boxes instead of animated models which means working off of distance and timing based rules instead of real hit detection and then just built on top of that because they didn't give a fuck and were just churning out a product.

Does this mean that the melee combat of Silent Hill 1 in 1999 is technically more impressive because it has actual hit detection?

>>714429904
Not saying it's hard to do, you can actually download a blueprint off the asset store which does partial ragdolls, but then it would get more complicated to do the canned takedown animations. You would need two systems, one canned and one dynamic and determine rules for when to switch between the two while blending animations seamlessly.

Like I said, it requires the developer to give a fuck. SH2 demake was the opposite of giving a fuck, I'm pretty sure the whole prison section was a generic asset they bought because none of it fits in with the rest of silent hill.

reminder
>fog was originally implemented as a means to improve performance by limiting draw distance, it being atmospheric as fuck was a bonus
>fog in the remake is all volumetric resource hogging garbage that both looks worse and makes the game run like shit
>the mod that removes all the fog actually massively increases performance even though you can now see everything from far away because it was just THAT unoptimized

>>714430814
>the game is bad because I'm poor

>>714430560
I think they tried best they can, based on their budget, talent, and time given. They at least tried to mindlessly copy other games like Last of Us and Calisto Protocol.

That being said, it feels like such a generic Unrela engine "hire this man" fan project at times, like someone modded another game with SH characters.

Everyone is ugly and they have weird proportions because no one knows anatomy anymore. They literally had to reduce head sizes of many characters.

It's unoptimized Unreal engine jank with a lot of asset store assets. I feel a bit liek Frank Grimes pointing this out. Does no one care? It seemed to check the checklist of "fun game" for most people, and they enjoyed it and forgot about it.

I'm genuinely NOT impressed by modern AA or AAA jank. It looks like jank, hastily sloppily put together and downright ugly at times.

>>714431290

>>714410259 (OP)
because it looks worse. it was designed with environments being seen from specific angles in mind. it is not the atmosphere it is going for so it doesnt work. you can see how much more dull the environment looks from this perspective

She has no style
she has no grace
this maria has a funny face.

>>714431460
>>714431290
ok but why do you think it looks worse now and why do you think anyone cares

>>714431832
This is why I feel like Frank Grimes.

Remake Maria is flapping gums with no other animations. She's sitting in an awkward position. None of the staff understands anatomy. Literally first set of patches reduced Maria's gigantic head after /v/ were called incels for wanting a head.

>>714431832
Look at the shadow over her eyes in the original, the way the lighting dims and the image gets slightly blurry. It's conveying the sense of horror James is feeling as she starts to say things only Mary would know, the realization that she isn't a normal person, but something else. It's extremely unnerving and creepy. In the remake she is doing a bad job at trying to be seductive, which doesn't fit the scene at all.

>>714430338
It's not having this shot used.
It's when it's NOTHING but this shot that is the problem.

It's why I dislike RE4. It doesn't work primarily because it never ever changes it's camerawork.
Another guilty game is Amnesia/Penumbra. They never ever change the camerawork and it kinda limits artistic expression with some scenes. You don't need the consistent camera in every scene.

The fact that we have to point this out now is kinda strange when you think about it. It's just completely different to film media where they're dynamically changing the camera to get an effect. I can obviously see why that isn't the case given the complexity of making a dynamic camera that doesn't hinder the gameplay to the point where it's unplayable. But, you'd think you'd change it up a bit at least when transitioned to a different room with a different feel. In silent hill, it could be extremely beneficial to experiment with the camera like that. Make the camera work around the room a bit but also trying to avoid making the aiming and combat really jank. The issue is probably collision when that becomes a problem the most. Collision tends to act kinda strange when your camera is panning or moving and your renderer or engine is trying to bring objects closer to or further from the camera.

SM64 is very good example of the game doing very strange things just because the camera is moving.
You'd think modern engines would have solved this problem and while they are more consistent, I'm constantly still seeing the same bugs in all 3D games. This is problem with things like floating point precision.

>>714432245
>>714432038
ok but why is that bad and why do you think anyone cares, just play the fucking game dude

>>714431460
Jesus Christ the original is so fucking hot.

>>714431704
theres no way her head really was that big on the left there was it? i remember it being too big but damn this is ridiculous

>>714432489
>quality standards? pfft. Nonsense. just eat the slop!

>>714431460
The model looks fine.
The lighting is... all wrong.

The shadows on her eyes and face are just all wrong and it makes her expression here look completely off.
She's looks strangely more like Heather Mason here too. What's up with that? I think it's just the detail in the skin, it's more like Heather's because Heather's skin was in a game that came much later than this and was more advanced.

But the lighting is just flat out wrong and that stands out the most. Her eyes aren't as squinty and it doesn't feel as sinister and sensual.
She also does these subtle cheeky half smiles that feel more sinister and flirty.

>>714432528
how can you tell, you can't even see her pits or feet

>>714432528
They fucking nailed that shit in 2001 ay.
But then companies fall off with it after that very fast. I'm not sure why. Changes in work stations and software?

>>714410259 (OP)
because it ruins things like the attached image.
you will never achieve equal or greater results with OTS in this scene. fixed camera forces you to look at it

>>714416275
i kinda actually really like this. prefer the original camera but its scary in its own way

>>714432489
>ok but why is that bad

Ignore everything else. Just look at nu-Maria. She has wonky inhuman proportions. She's sitting in a strange awkward uncomfortable position. The only parts animated are her lips and eyes while the rest of her body is limp. It's just jank, ugly, and cheap.

>>714432639
>theres no way her head really was that big on the left there was it? i remember it being too big but damn this is ridiculous

Yes, that is 100% the original game as it shipped before patches. One of the first things patched was to reduce Maria's gigantic noggin. No one noticed or cared during the entire development cycle.

>>714432687
>The model looks fine.

well, she's ugly with a giant jaw and looks 45 at least for one. A horror game about being chased by an over the hill stripper is one thing, but that's not what the original was going for. Also baffling she has a strong mannish strong jaw when Maria is a clear Cameron Diaz copy.

An original render of Lisa shows she was originally an almost 1:1 copy of Cameron Diaz until she was altered.

>>714432641
How did they fuck that remake scene up. Did they not get that James is scared and doesn't want to fight Pyramid Head?

>>714433302

>>714433350
It looks like a Dark Souls fight, and you half expect "Pyramid Head, eater of souls" with a life bar to pop up. The stage is also nice and wide since gamers hate tight spaces. it's all very video gamey, while the original had James react much more realistically, and the prospect as a player of being trapped with this freak show in a tight space is unnerving.

>>714433453
i've met this woman before, she even had butterfly tats on her tits. She was an old stripper who became a single mom.

Without context, I'd say Nu-Maria is like 47.

>possibly up to 4 cameron Diaz clones in the original Sh games

I know she was big, but someone on the art team must have loved the bitch. Lisa and Cybil both look like Cameron Diaz in a double role. maria and by extention Mary is also Cameron Diaz inspired.

>>714433350
Everything about that set was fucked, the door looks like they pulled it out of some steampunk game of thrones ripoff, the random cages scattered around, pyramid head acting like nemesis, none of it fits SH2.

>>714433879
Marry Heather and Eileen and forbid them to shave anything forever.

>>714433879
I will go nuclear if they make my goddess Alessa ugly in the remake. They better not fuck this one up.

>>714434278
It's blobber. Heather and Alessa will look like mannish freaks with wrong body proportions.

We missed the chance at a proper remake with the original Dev teams. Imagine a PS2-Xbox-PC remake around 2005-2006? It would have made more sense than Sh4. They could have massively re--used assets from SH2-3 as well.

>>714410259 (OP)
>m-muh good gameplay!!!
missing the point low iq

>>714432887
It's not quite fixed.
It's dynamic but the movement is way more subtle.
It works great in these shots.
It does not work as well in the combat heavy parts.
And there are moments where it feels very jank.

>>714411134
zoomies can't handle games having different controls and camera systems. they grew up in the homegized crap fest we have now

>>714434618
I am just realising how homogenized and centralised it is nowadays, especially with unreal ruling everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMtwfHkoZc&pp=ygUUc2lsZW50IGhpbGwgMyBjYW1lcmHSBwkJwQkBhyohjO8%3D

>>714420480
They weren't pre-rendering like resident evil, meant you could better tailor camera changes or do last minute shifts without it being a mess. Also future proofed it a bit since the background weren't designed for 16:9(though some puzzles were).

Anyone have Suzi screeching about the remake?

>>714410259 (OP)
>>714410578
It's not like the Third Person shooter wasn't much of a thing until RE4 craze.

>>714432639
It was that big, supposedly it was a mistake and they shrunk her head in one of the first updates lol

>>714437336
all the characters have wonky anatomy, but the women having big heads really sticks out. there's an image floating around of the old models vs. new models and the big heads on Maria and donkey kong limbs on everyone sticks out the most.

>>714410259 (OP)
Congratulations you ruined the game

Behead those that would lock Heather in an otherworld room them to do illicit naughty things to her without consent.
Shameless beasts like you deserve to go to jail for wanting to tie her up and spank her while she screams(cums).

>>714414319
based anon

>>714440093
but she's the one that can enter the otherworld officer.
what was I supposed to do?

>>714440093
what causes someone to turn into such a pathetic little simp waifufag like this? shaken as baby? fetal alcohol syndrome? raped as a child?

>>714441240
Tough titties.
Even if she threatened to kill you if you didn't do this, you're under arrest!

>>714441989
Why are you even here?
Talking to these people?

shaken as baby? fetal alcohol syndrome? raped as a child?

>>714442081
to talk about silent hill. not goon to fictional bitches from 2003.

>>714442195
>playing silent hill for the plot
>not the PLOT

>>714442000
You don't have jurisdiction in the otherworld.

>>714442390
Provite it bitch.

I'd Heather's otherworld if you know what I mean.

>>714410259 (OP)
Dunno if SH3 is the scariest game ever but must be up there in the top 3

>>714444360
It's not the same type of horror like you do with horror games today.
It's a slow punishing slog through hell screaming the entire way sort of thing.
Though I still feel like System Shock nibbled something too and it's not even that visually horrific, SHODAN is just such a horrifying thing and what happen to the crew is just horrific. The Matrix is another one that is horrific for me.
>that one scene in the animatrix where the power plants are just beginning and the machines are keeping people alive, awake and are experimenting on their bodies alive
Btw we do this with animals IRL and it's fucking appalling. Fucking pharma.
Not even rats, we use monkeys and dogs and shit.

My sister works in that and it's horrific. It's actually caused tension between us.
But she also used to pin live insects so that kinda was to be expected.

>>714422640
I wish SH doesn't have guns.

>>714445675
I think you can beat most of them with melee only

>>714445675
SHF doesn't have any so far apparently.

>>714443183
You prove it was rape lmao

>>714417878
final fantasy 7 sucks

>>714446643
I'll prove your a bitch how about that

>>714428305
>Therapist Hill
Oof

>>714410259 (OP)
Silent Hill 3 looks insane for a PS2 era game. Might reinstall it sometime on my PC.