Thread 715443129

do you think ralsei will see the light world one day?

>>715443129 (OP)
i hope he doesnt end up like this

>>715443959
This, he needs to be even faggier

>>715443959
I bet he's going to be an awkward and nerdy goofball. God I can't wait for Chapter 5.

>>715443129 (OP)
Do you think the town never lets him forget the time he ate everyone's souls in Undertale?

>>715443129 (OP)
He kissed Bratty and Catty, he was also dating Dess. Stop making Asriel a fag, he’s the biggest Chad ever.

is this the thread?

>>715444857
Only thread around.

>>715443129 (OP)
I stopped being attracted to him when he became an evil bitch

>>715443129 (OP)
He shall be dead soon

>>715443129 (OP)
>Go afk to take a shit
>Come back to the game making some weird noise
What is this about?

>>715443129 (OP)
so how's ralsei related to asriel?

>>715444356
Literally yes? even in Undertale after you beat him, the rest of the characters don't remember what happened

>>715446112
What weird noise?

>>715444993
Yum.

>>715446112
Probably a glitch.

>>715446112
Check your inventory

>>715446112
If you're playing on Steam Deck, I know it has audio desynch issues (not with Deltarune specifically, just in general).

>>715446462
>>715446483
>>715446520
>>715446925
Doesn't really seem like a glitch. This video isn't mine, for me the noise went away once I started moving again, but it's the same noise as in the video.

https://files.catbox.moe/ln0czq.mp4

>>715447127
That's your [PIPIS].

>>715447127
what the fuck

>>715447236
Ohh, okay. I guess that's why one of the anons told me to check my inventory, but I had already gone into the S rank room game and didn't want to redo all that lol.

>>715447236
ew
what weirdo would want that

>"No one will shed a tear for him."
>"And so wept the fallen star, making rivers with its tears. Then, slowly, from the bitter water, something grew. It looked like glass."
>tears drip from the Knight's face when it first appears
Shadow Crystals are Titan tears. The Knight is part-Titan. The Knight was about to give Ramb a Shadow Crystal, i.e. "shed a tear" for him.

>>715447858
>It's now tweeting.
I finally understand the disgust.

>>715448961
unless you're noelle. why can't she stop being weird

>>715449136
A woman of the [pipis]. a real [pipis] woman

>>715449136
>can WE keep it
Noelle trying to get Kris to raise their fucked up pipis baby together

>>715443959
>jerked off to the wizard chick in smashing fighters
>jerked off to the girl in his how to draw dragon book so much that toriel doesn’t even want to touch it
>kissed bratty
>presumably was dating dess
I’d say there’s a 75% chance he’s straight (-25% because he’s a yoshifag)

>>715450438
>>jerked off to the wizard chick in smashing fighters
Robin?

>>715450509
Or Pyra.

>>715451061
Robin would be funny for two reasons:
1: She's technically a dragon.
2: She's the antichrist like Dess.

What was her major malfunction?

>>715451294
She's two faced.

>>715451294
kris distancing herself made her cope

Is Noelle a good person?

>>715451294
Kris pushed her away after getting schizo'd in the light world. A part of me wonders how long he spent in therapy, we can at least assume he's not attending it in current day.

>>715451061
Pyra isn't a magician. She's basically a god. Its almost certainly Robin.

>>715451628
Only other one I could think about is Zelda.

Robin is just funnier but knowing that would require Toby to have played Fire Emblem Awakening.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that I don't really like Kris at all. Resisting my natural impulse to peel the setting apart with my eyes is one thing, but something about the Tenna sword route thing and the Knight conspiracy makes me feel a certain way. Being completely honest here, I'd be 100% all for disposing of them if it wouldn't make Susie upset.

>>715451517
She’s a dyke, so no

>>715451294
>had a huge crush on Kris
>fallout after Dess disappeared, Kris started hanging out with her less and less
>she started projecting her feelings on Susie instead (reminds her of both Kris and Dess)
>probably still has buried feelings for Kris

>>715443129 (OP)
Why don't you ask that on >>>/vg/utg
Do you retards not have the self-control to space threads a week apart at least? Of course you don't.

>>715451752
I think he's a decent enough person. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, and I would probably find him annoying in real life, but he's hardly evil and probably just needed harsher parents as a kid.

>>715451752
Welcome to the club. I was giving Kris the benefit of the doubt but now I want nothing to do with them. What good I will force them to do will be for the other characters I actually care about.

>>715451562
If his therapist is this universe's version of Gaster, then his therapist is clearly still trying to help him with his issues despite having become impossible to remember. He might actually still be required to go to therapy, but everyone's forgotten about it because an alternate version of his therapist two universes over fucked it up super bad.

>>715451752
He's keeping someone else's SOUL inside a birdcage at the foot of his bed and using them as slave labor to run their life and close fountains. Kris is kind of a piece of shit.

>>715451938
>Kris is kind of a piece of shit.
He's a teenage boy.

>>715451837
>probably just needed harsher parents as a kid
He just needs active parents in general.
Toriel is almost comically neglectful and when she isn't she veers on the opposite of the spectrum by being too handholdy (quite literally)
Asgore is too nice to be a real father and is consumed by his investigation to be a proper father figure.

>>715452037
He's a teenage boy who's functionally kidnapped someone.

>>715447875
>>tears drip from the Knight's face when it first appears
?

>>715452037
Which amounts to shit actually. They're still unlikable by all accounts.

>>715444659
Are you sure?

Why does dead Asriel turns into a shitty flower when dead Dess turns into a badass knight?

>>715451752
The Gooner Vessel deserves her SOUL back rather than keep being abused.

>>715452071
The worst part is they were still obviously better than his actual parents.

>>715452093
They are, but so are 99% of teenagers.

>>715452081
Most teenagers would if they could.

>>715447875
>tears drip from the Knight's face
files call that drool

>>715452204
>Most teenagers would if they could.
i don't think that's true at all

>>715452143
>Flowey
>Not badass
Reminder he did several genocide runs. Only losing at the end because Asgore was actually trying.

>>715451294
Noelle wants to fuck Susie and yearns to make love to Kris

>>715451938
>but everyone's forgotten about it because an alternate version of his therapist two universes over fucked it up super bad.
>The eggs rooms are just a culmation/ending to his therapy after it got hijacked by time and space bullshit
Huh
I can see it

>>715451752
I like to think he's just a kid out of his depth. He's sort of too involved now to just back out, and there's that promise being lauded over him.
Still, he doesn't seem to regret anything one bit.
I'll hold my judgement until we get more info, but I don't think I'd like Kris anyhow if he had free will.

>>715452235
The files say a lot of things.

>>715452204
>Most teenagers would [kidnap] if they could.
What's going on Anon everything OK?

>>715452256
Most teenage boys would 100% rape girls if they could get away with it.

>>715451294
Critical lack of BHC

I like friend

>>715452071
Kill them Kris.

>>715452307
I mean, there is a difference between not liking somebody.

It's honestly funny people here thought they would like Kris when he's a annoying prankster that complains about weeb shit.

>>715452318
they don't seem to *lie*... unless that's piss. Tricky tony pissed in a watering can

>>715452282
This anon knows his shit

>>715452264
Flowey jobbed more to Sans than Asgore.

FRIEND caused this...single motherhood...

>>715452204
There are teenagers in the same setting that is more likable than Kris. So what is your point besides constantly defending them?

>>715452461
And no, I won't point to any in-game text

>>715452318
>Created 2018
Its weird to think about how many assests already may exist and Toby is just waiting for the actual development to catch up. Did Temmie draw basically all of the art shit way before chapter 2 even existed?

>>715452408
It also calls FRIEND a FRIEND, and I'm pretty certain it is not a friend at this point.

>>715452457
Didn't he explicitly say he couldn't get past Asgore?

Like, I hate to wank Asgore but according to Undyne he could do the same thing Sans did (Dodge every attack) while also actually having 80 defense and 80 attack. If he was actually trying he should be a harder fight than Sans. Chara even seemed to recognize that because he basically just attacked him asap.

>>715443129 (OP)
>Asriel has only even been shown being attracted to or dating women
>Ralsei has only been affectionate to Susie, Kris(who were not suppose to take as a dude), and Clover to a less degree
guys i think this fandom might've lied about the gotes being gay

>>715452081
>functionally kidnapped someone
Kris does not seem super chuffed about the arrangement even on the normal route, it really strikes me as something he "has to do" rather than "wants to do". Even if the soul was "kidnapped" to be used for it's abilities I doubt he was the one who planned the whole thing.

>>715452461
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME

>>715452516
>There are teenagers in the same setting that is more likable than Kris.
Who? Jockington is probably the best and he's dumb as a sack of bricks.

>Inb4 Susie
Come on, anon. You would be scared of her like everybody else.

I don't think we are the soul, rather we just control it.
Think of it from a narrative standpoint: some of the choices are from Kris giving the option... but the other options, can we really say they're OUR options?
Our options are more actual actions at best, us going moving closer to Ralsei, us going back to get the ribbon in Tenna's game, etc etc etc.
That's the player doing stuff.
But when we have to make a choice (such as Proceed or Me) that's not us, because we didn't make up that option.
I don't think it will ever be explained in the game (much like Chara wasn't really explained in Undertale) but to me the soul is not us even though we're controlling it, the soul is its own character.
So we control the soul and both it and Kris gives us options, with the soul being more "in control" the further we go into routes like Snowgrave.

That's what makes sense to me and why Kris is so hostile to "us", he has no reason to be hostile to the player but he has all the reason to be hostile to a soul that already proved itself to be a problem.
It would be more likely that's the case in my opinion and why sometimes we have choices that Kris wouldn't pick: why would he give us the choice to say "I will never play the piano again" if that's not what he wanted us to say?
Why would he give us the choice to pray to Noelle?
Why even give us the choice to pray?
The soul is its own entity and not necessarily a benevolent one, that may very well be the "demon" Kris and Catty summoned, we just established connection with it.

>>715452596
The goats were never gay, but womanizers.

>>715452578
they can be a friend without being our friend, anon

>>715443129 (OP)
What was Toriel THINKING making a HUMAN and a monster share ONE bedroom?!??

>>715451562
>kris went to therapy
when do they say that in the game

>>715452584
>Didn't he explicitly say he couldn't get past Asgore?
And he said Sans caused most of his RESETS and it's the only monster he warns that Frisk shouldn't get involved with.

>>715452282
Bet she’d practice with Kris before her fuck sessions with Susie

>>715443959
Asriel will be a palette swap of Asgore

>>715452652
>Asgore
>Womanizer
He's still seething over his ex wife.

>>715452710
Egg Room #4

>>715452728
Fair.

I guess he just gave up on Asgore. Like, it probably wasn't even a fight.

>>715452118
WHERE IS HE

>>715452650
>Think of it from a narrative standpoint: some of the choices are from Kris giving the option... but the other options, can we really say they're OUR options?
If you're right, then the SOUL has to be Frisk's. "Who the hell are you?" would come from Kris, so "Great to see you again" has to come from the SOUL, which (combined with other things) indicates that they remember Undertale.

>>715452650
>the soul is its own character.
This will happen when we finally get the Vessel's default name, as well as the real name the second voice was going to say, and the fandom will BREAK.

>>715451752
Notice that Kris arguably isn't mentioned at all as the first hero? We don't get a picture of him. "The cage" could be anything. And what is pictured is us.

I think Deltarune is building towards making the point that we're the ones who are the protagonist in this story. Not Kris. That might seem obvious with Kris acting as an antagonist. But it's so easy to still think of Kris as one, to think it's Kris whose meant to be the first hero.

>>715452837
>If you're right, then the SOUL has to be Frisk's.
It could also be Gaster or Chara.

>>715452710
Chapter 4 egg room
There's even a pretty direct So Sorry reference, that's really cheeky if you realize its off-handly shitposting that it was such a clusterfuck to deserve therapy or psych ward treatment. Of course the implication went over the fat furfag's head but I still laugh about it

>>715452879
this kris is obviously the girl since they/them can equip the Princess Gloves

>>715452745
He has Alphys, Maddie and maybe Carol on his dick.

>>715452837
Narratively speaking "Great to see you again" could come from the soul having seen Sans again.
If we go by the fact that Gaster may behind some of the events... well, Sans is related to Gaster, what's to say the reason Sans is boning Toriel isn't just to keep close to Kris and keep an eye on the soul and whatever "connection" was established?

>>715452892
>Gaster
Highly unlikely.
>Chara
Didn't have a SOUL when Sans showed up.

>>715451938
>someone else's SOUL
Are we actually that? Aren't we a demon?

>>715452947
>Didn't have a SOUL when Sans showed up.
You gave him one though.

>>715452895
>So Sorry
i wish it was a homestuck fan who donated 1000$ instead oft the fatfur

>>715452934
Carol is only interested in human men

>>715452837
The Vessel is a literal Goner version of Frisk, so...

>>715451752
Between Kris and Noelle I think it's interesting that mentally ill/traumatized characters get an insane amount of shit from people, especially self-inserters

>Toby is shilling therapy now
kek these leftsharts don't realize they're fucking insane

>>715452959
From the perspective of people in Deltarune, the player - a normal human like Kris - is an Angel because they exist in a higher/more "real" reality. Ergo a demon would be a human from a lower, less real reality. Like, say, a human from Undertale's universe.

>Inb4 we are actually playing the Angel.
>Angel is just a metaphor for the player.
>The setting of Deltarune is technically just another dark world.
>So is Undertale.
>Soul belongs to somebody else.
>Explained at the end of the story just so people 100% understand Chara isn't responsible for the genocide run in Undertale.

>>715453000
I should have done it and then included a monster version of Three Kingdom figures.

>>715453063
I think therapy is acceptable if you get mind raped by a cat demon in a creepy bunker

>be a emo kid in a monster town
>can't properly connect with anyone as the only human. Developed such strong self-hatred he can't even look at pictures of other humans.
>the Dreemurrs clearly favor their biological son who's goat chad thundercock and everyone adores while Kris is just the creepy human kid who pulls pranks
>mom is an alcoholic neglectful retard and dad is a loser going schizo
>big sis figure who he probably had a crush on went missing.
>fallout is so bad it makes him push away his only friend who's now actively trying to cuck him from getting dino pussy (she also got turned on when the dino bullied him in school)
>parents got a nasty divorce shortly after
>got himself into some weird 5D chess plan we still barely know anything about and presumably got (You)r soul inside him as part of the deal
>his family, neighbours and classmates not only don't notice but outright prefer (You) Kris to his former self.
>whatever his weird plan with the knight is, he's clearly unhappy about having to eventually betray his new friends in the future
idk I legitimately feel bad for Kris.

>>715453141
>I think therapy is acceptable
vax status?

>>715451938
>get fucked so hard literally nobody can remember you exist
>you're not sure you remember if you exist
>you can't make sense of any of the shit you say
>you're so fucked that you're in both the light world and dark world without apparent differentiation (eggs don't change)
>Despite all this
>Still remember there's somebody you want to help
>Continue trying to help Kris
DR Gaster, if that's who Forgotten Man is, is unfathomably based. Truly HOPE-pilled.

>>715453063
>Therapy bad
Genuinely, just being able to tell a person how you feel without any consequences is really nice.

>>715453132
>>Explained at the end of the story just so people 100% understand Chara isn't responsible for the genocide run in Undertale.
Toby doesn't care about Chara being evil or not. He knows letting the fandom argue about it is endless promotion for his games.

>>715453190
>durr I love AI cause it harms people
sad!

>>715453132
>Explained at the end of the story just so people 100% understand Chara isn't responsible for the genocide run in Undertale.
With how much power Kris has to resist the player, it was both Frisk and the player who were equally responsible for Genocide. Chara was just an opportunist who swept in at the last moment to steal your hard-won gains.

>>715453264
Yeah, but he does want it to be clear chara was talking to the player at the end of the story.

>>715453294
We don't know about Frisk but he genuinely seems to be a empty shell with no opinions of his own until the end of the pacifist route.

>>715453294
The simple explanation is that there's no "player" in Undertale. (You) are both Frisk and Chara, and the route you choose determines which human becomes "real" (aka, their own character).

>>715453063
lel

>>715453063
>retarded far right retard is trying to shit on fucking therapy of all things
you people are genuine freaks.

>>715452235
Check it again, ESL-kun

>>715453318
I didn't know you were friends with Toby, anon! What else does he think!?

>>715453180
His life still sounds better than mine, frankly, and I'm nowhere near as much of a little shit as him.

>>715447127
>>715447127
>>715446112
Its the pipis
I too freaked out and tried to find it like a retard for an hour

>>715453000
>>715453132
Once we invent time travel, I'm gonna go back and pay the $1000 to pitch my OC donut steel that's literally Lancer just to see what Tricky Tony says

I seriously doubt this game is ever going to explore a possible identity for the Soul. If you want to argue that it does things the player alone couldn't do or that it knows things only certain (often Undertale-originated) characters would know, you'll be right, because the Soul functionally exists to move the plot in directions designed by developers who are not the players and to accommodate the player's choices by allowing them to pick their preferred, sometimes Undertale-related, actions and prompts

>>715452650
>but the other options, can we really say they're OUR options?
You're over thinking it. Some options are for those who played Undertale and others are really generic like snowgrave options. This is a case of "you control the buttons you press".

>>715453393
>empty shell with no opinions of his own until the end of the pacifist route.
Brainlet take btw. This is why I don't like anons who put Deltarune rules into Undertale.

>>715453478
>What else does he think!?
He convinced Zun to actually do something with Ran in the newest Touhou game.

>>715452650
I don't think the soul is its own separate character, but I do think Kris can control it himself when we don't have a connection to it (TV World fountain) which of course means he knows when we do have a connection.

>>715453491
>His life still sounds better than mine
that's cause he lives in a 1st-world country thoughbeit

>>715453563
He does start making decisions during the true lab, arguably even somewhat resisting the control of the player.

>>715453549
The second voice at the Vessel creation was clearly going to give the SOUL a name, and we still don't know what the Vessel's default name will be. It's possible the SOUL is indeed their own character.

Is she the most developed character so far? I feel like if I wrote a list of what I know about each character, Susie's would be the longest. Which is surprising because she doesn't have a "past" with Kris like Noelle or Kris's family. She has no hidden agenda, and she basically thinks out loud. She acts like a goblin, yet she also has arguably the highest emotional intelligence in the game. I wonder if that's why she's so likeable.

>>715453393
Can't be. They've got just as much volition as Kris does.

https://www.tumblr.com/nochocolate/140531186995/frisks-personality-and-actions

They're just willing to go along with whatever we want for some reason, which indicates that there's something fucked in their head if they're willing to loop over and over to get different outcomes despite having a way out.

>>715452408
It's referencing a joke theory that Asgore was pissing on the flowers in undertale, since he was talking about watering them but didn't have a watering can. So in Deltarune the sprite explicitly gives him a watering can and calls the sprite "notpiss"

So yeah that is as you say a reliable sprite filename.

>>715452650
>choosing to assert your will over Kris and reveal yourself to Noelle by identifying yourself as "Me" (the entity that Noelle knows and recognizes as distinct from Kris) wasn't Me
What makes people so desperate to deny that Toby Fox's games are about making You acknowledge that You are playing them

>>715453591
No, it's because:
>1: He not only finished basic school, but has good grades in high school.
>2: Still young, with a fairly promising future.
>3: Clearly well liked by many people around him.
>4: Good relationship with both parents.
>5: Lives in a world filled with cute monster girls.
>6: Doesn't spend thousands on Warhammer models.

>>715453468
What's up with the circle on its head here? When it first showed up, I thought it had one big eye, but once it stands upright and you see the visor, you never seen this circle again

>>715453635
... And she dislikes soda. And she runs away with a smile. And she holds back against Undyne in their date. She isn't a meat puppet, and there's nothing in Undertale itself that says the player is possessing her, unlike with Kris.

>>715453664
Kinda but she's also the loudest which means it's easy to overlook the other characters and think they're not as developed just because they're not as loud.
Like just yesterday I saw some idiot on /v/ trying to claim Kris is just a silent self-insert, something that was obviously not true at the end of chapter 1 let alone after 3+4.

>>715453687
They do seem to share some degree of control with Chara though.

>>715452837
You, the player playing Deltarune, are the same player who played Undertale.
Gaster reached out to You because of your experience with Undertale.
>HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING FOR ME?
>HOW WONDERFUL
>I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU AS WELL

>>715453560
Why are those options there then?
When the soul goes "Me", is that really us?
How would Toby reconcile that narratively?
"Oh yeah the player sometimes can have options appear in front of them", that's not going to be a thing.
The bigger twist is the soul and the player different actors, to put into perspective that it wasn't us telling Sans "Great to see you!", it was the soul.
The soul said "Me", not us, the soul exerted the power to go with a "Proceed" option.
That's also why, when Susie ask, there are no options to respond after abusing the doe: the soul does not want to be found out and neither does Kris, so neither give us any options.

>>715453713
delta fans cant read

>>715453050
>Kris gets a lot of shit for not being a generic goody two-shoes that exists just to get projected on
>Ralsei had a shitload of "waow EVIL Ralsei twist dude he's so sus!!!" during the roughly 4 year wait
>Noelle catches heat for actually having realistic sperg moments and, love triangle fallout, and whatever long-lasting damage from whatever the fuck happened to Dess
I'm starting to piece together that Susie gets wanked ultra hard not for doing anything particularly special, but because she's just the least problematic character with the least amount of dimensions

>>715453713
People really want to be as disconnected from the game as humanly possible and has been coping about it for years. I assume its because they want to consume all of the content which means being the bad guy.

>>715443129 (OP)
Where did Kris put the stickers?

>>715453663
does the slightest pause between "your name is..." and Toriel saying "Kris!" really screw with you that bad

>>715453804
>And she runs away with a smile
That might be Chara, actually.

>And she holds back against Undyne in their date.
Like I said, True Pacifist Run seems to indicate they are largely taking more ocntrol.

>>715453713
I don't think they're saying that at all. You're a third party who isn't supposed to be here. You weren't around for how things originally played out - Gaster brought you in to change things. There's Kris options, there's SOUL options, and finally there are (You) options which are one word answers - commands - that are unnaturally compelling to everyone but Susie.

* Proceed is neither something that Kris or the SOUL is saying.

>>715452650
the soul is Dess

>>715453664
We know the most about Noelle since at this point her homelife is basically a open book. Susie still has some mild mysteries about why exactly she has a terrible homelife. Ralsei and Kris are far more mysterious

Personality wise, I would say they are mostly equal at this point. Frankly, I think Ralsei might be the most developed overall.

>>715453838
>Alienating everyone who didn't play Undertale and blaming them for shit they didn't do.
Bravo, Toby!

>>715452650
>he has no reason to be hostile to the player
are you actually retarded or just pretending?
if some fucking demon was taking over my body without my consent, I'd hate them too.
>oh but they're super nice and helpful!
cool, so happy that the demon possessing me against my will is polite!!!

>>715453927
on her nipples and vagina

>>715453128
>Like, say, a human from Undertale's universe.
That sounds hacky. That's a "deltarune is a continuation of genocide" tier theory.

>Kris used to damage boost through obstacles when playing games as a kid
>Doesn't anymore because they're worried they might be doing exactly what we are
An underdiscussed implication of learning you're a video game character is then having to worry about the characters in the games YOU play also having emotions and feelings and a reality of their own.

>>715453794
That's its eye. It's more normal and humanoid because it's crying (because it's Dess crying about having to kill Tenna, who was her and Kris's imaginary friend when they played make-believe together as kids)
The shapeshifting feature on its face goes back to a giant mouth or eye when it's doing creepy/cool Knight shit

>>715453992
>Dess mindraped her sister into being a slave.
I can't wait for Asriel to reveal that Dess wasn't that great of a person either.

>>715453961
>who isn't supposed to be here
You know I thought with people having played chapter 4 that this would die in a dumpster fire considering everyone's fucking plan revolves around You. Replay the start of chapter 1 again.

>>715453837
They do! But they also argue back when Chara tries to make them do things they don't want to do.

>>715453932
>That might be Chara, actually.
It's literally stated to be Frisk, on a true pacifist run by Sans, anon.

Toby really does need to have the three characters face the player and explain everything in the game point to point because his fans are just so illiterate, to the point that speedrunning tannies make fun of you

>>715454089
Not that surprising since she used to abuse Kris

>>715454016
>you can't just jump on the bandwagon of my new game, you need to experience the story properly from the start
based tbqhtbhfamdesu

>>715453931
>Two different voices that seemingly complete each other, but clearly aren't the same
>Exact same thing he did in Undertale to hide the Chara twist.
Yeah, it does bother me.

>>715454017
Kris literally needs the fucking "demon" though, the phone says so.
Also he makes a choice to keep us inside of him, why be hostile if you literally need me to work out your entire masterplan?
If I had to work with your dumbass, anon, I wouldn't be hyper hostile for no fucking reason, I'd at least would try to live and let live even when there is literally 0 things to like about you.

>>715452584
>Dodge every attack
I think that's more derived on Sans understanding the fight system and weaponizing it, while Asgore is still bound to it, and therefore will stay still waiting for his turn.

Which one is my completed chapter 3 weird route save? Ingame, it's the 3rd slot of chapter 3.

>>715454140
Toby isn't a spiteful tranny, unlike you.

>>715454103
Yeah, again, at the true pacifist route.

I think the way it works is that Chara and the player have most of the control. But as you maintain your pacifistic streak Frisk starts to regain more control, with Chara also largely giving up control as her spirit is slowly put to rest. Much like how when you start murdering Chara starts to gain more and more control.

>>715454114
Yes, but like I said the smile when running away might be Chara. Considering it changes when you start murdering people.

>>715454140
Ralsei already does this and he gets ignored.

>>715454227
The issue is there are actually a few minor hints that Asgore DOES know about the video game nature of the story. At the very least he 100% seems to know about saving and loading.

>>715453063
>Sigmund Freud invented therapy

>>715454223
retard

>>715454276
>Yes, but like I said the smile when running away might be Chara. Considering it changes when you start murdering people.
That would mean the smile ISN’T Chara, dude. Because it disappears when Chara shows up.

>>715454270
That speedrunning tranny made a joke about Deltarune fans being unable to read, and he's right.

>>715453961
>You're a third party who isn't supposed to be here. You weren't around for how things originally played out - Gaster brought you in to change things.
This makes zero fucking sense, you're trolling or you're retarded. Either way I'm not engaging with repackaged third entity nonsense anymore.

>>715452584
>according to Undyne he could do the same thing Sans did
Undyne was a hotheaded kid with no training when this happened
She eventually was able to hit him

>>715454223
>I wouldn't be hyper hostile for no fucking reason
Kris is only hyper-hostile on weird route though.
On normal chapter 4 he's hostile because he can't let the soul see the bunker code and derail his plans. Otherwise he just traps the soul to make sure it doesn't escape after each day since he needs it and that's it.

>>715454413
Yes, we know people like you love trannies and repeat their takes, no need to expose yourself harder.

>>715454395
>I DON'T WANT TO BE POSSESSED BY A DEMON! I HATE IT SO MUCH!
>EVEN THOUGH I CAN RIP THE DEMON OUT WHENEVER I HATE IT SO MUCH! IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY POSSESS ME!
>EVEN THOUGH I LITERALLY TAKE THE DEMON EVEN AFTER HE MADE ME RAPE MY FRIEND AND STUCK IT RIGHT BACK IN MY BODY I DON'T WANT THIS!
You're an NPC anon.

>Kris is referred to as a Dreemurrs multiple times with Asriel being their brother
>at no point do any of Dreemurrs call chara family
what's this little shits deal?

>>715454408
It could also show that Chara is becoming slowly corrupted.

>>715454438
Fair. Still, it does hint that he could actually dodge during a fight.

Off topic, but it's kind of hilarious this all happened before she was Royal Guard. Imagine going up to the King and trying to punch him in the face.

>>715454484
uhhh, retard alert???

>>715454485
They were against adoptive incest.

>>715454485
Part of Asgore's plan for the future of humans and monsters was intermarriage to show humans that the two could co-exist, and it would be weird to marry your adopted sister.

>>715454484
>nobody has ever had to do something they don't want to do
You're unemployed, aren't you?

>>715454469
learn how to read instead of making dumb-as-shit headcanon

>>715454468
>toss you into a birdcage
>slams you into a cupboard
>toss you into a gift box
>slams you with a bottle
>toss you into a gift box AGAIN
>slams you with what I assume was a put
>slams you repeatedly with a hockey stick
The guy's a menace.

>>715454485
They seem to view him as a adoptive son but it's pretty likely he actually wasn't around that long. Possibly only about a year. It's pretty likely they actually hoped that one day he would return to his hometown to serve as a ambassador.

>>715454583
Also possible. They might have actually tried to set her up with his son.

>>715453063
>selling therapy to the deltarune fanbase
like selling water and food in the desert, 95% of them have a form of mental illness or another

>>715454098
The plan revolves around the SOUL. Not you. Gaster's plan is about you, Kris's plan is about the person he's kidnapped. If you start a chapter without having played the previous ones, then events still happened without you being there.

>>715454223
It's the same way a villain would act towards a hero whose body they're possessing, demonic possession only in reverse.

>>715454186
Do you say that because you think there's something cool or interesting about the vessel and soul being their own characters? I really don't see it

>>715453687
>>715453804
Nta but no, all those chouces come from you making choices, Frisk never shows to be a different entity from (you) more than any other protagonist of a videogame.

>>715454626
>Wants Humans and Monsters to become one
>gets his wish
>Doesn't like it.

>>715454637
Are you the type of person that antagonizes everyone at their workplace for no reason?
If you actually have a job, you should understand why being hostile to people you're literally forced to spend most of your day with isn't smart.

>>715454543
>It could also show that Chara is becoming slowly corrupted
Anon... I am starting to think you don't actually know the scene I am talking about. It has absolutely nothing to do with Chara. It's all Frisk.

The SOUL is the human soul Kris was born with, but it's also the means by which we control them because of the dodging & dialogue game mechanics. So they remove it to regain control of themself, but permanently removing it to disconnect from (you) forever would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

>>715454747
To be fair, Kris is a teenager and that is literally behavior that has to be unlearned for a lot of people.

>>715454626
Is this proof humans and monsters can breed

>>715454651
God, I really hope that the SOUL is actually their own character just to make trannies like you mad. All those years of being pseud elitists washed away in the toilet.

>>715454747
are my coworkers forcing me to pseudo rape and mindbreak someone i've known for most of my life?

https://live.tiermaker.com/29109087
can you guys vote on this for me

>>715454420
What happens when you skip chapters? If you're so important to the narrative that it literally cannot happen without you, how can events possibly proceed without you being there?

>>715454761
Like I said, I think the degree of control Frisk has largely varies based on the route. Since the amount of Love you actually get goes to Chara, that largely means it might be his behavior. Could also be Frisk regaining control though.

>>715454839
So true!!! You’re smart and I’m dumb.

>>715454730
>Frisk never shows to be a different entity from (you) more than any other protagonist of a videogame.
Exactly. Frisk isn't being possessed by anyone player, just as Mario isn't being possessed. Undertale isn't Deltarune.

>>715454856
What exactly is this supposed to compare?

>>715454839
>SOUL is it's own character
>Story will end with that character going to the camera and thanking you for guiding them.

>>715453501
>>715447127
What the fuck
>If put into the inventory, after around 10 minutes have elapsed, the description of the item will change from "A certain person's special "???" Cannot be used in battle." to "A certain person's special "???" It's now tweeting." and it will start emitting distorted tweeting noises at random. After another few minutes, the description will change to "A certain person's special "???" It's now chirping." and the sound effect for the tweets will be swapped for chirps.
I wonder if there are any further interactions with it. It would be cool if you could give it back to Tenna in Chapter 4.

>>715454657
>toss you into a gift box
>slams you with a bottle
>toss you into a gift box AGAIN
>slams you with what I assume was a put
>slams you repeatedly with a hockey stick
Because the soul is starting to derail his plans. He's not hurting it for no reason, he's trying to hide the bunker code from it and Susie. Whatever goal he has it actively runs counter to (You)rs at this point.
>Tosses you into a birdcage
He needs the soul to enter the dark world. He puts it into a birdcage to make sure it doesn't just run away (considering Kris wasn't even supposed to be our vessel, very real possibility)

>>715452879
kris fits the description of the girl just as much if not more than the cage
uses swords, wears ribbons
LOVE/ love has found it's way to him
has hope crossed on his heart (note that crossed can mean written on or crossed out, he's given up on hope)
and being specifically the only one who can wear the gloves with the princess ribbon that are mentioned to be very delicate, kris has dainty little hands
the only thing that prevents kris from being the girl is the uncertainty if kris is actually female, and for some reason i think it might be relevant because there's no way toby didn't realize how much of the girl prophecy lined up with kris

>>715454730
You give the command, but it's up to the vessel to carry it out. Otherwise Kris wouldn't be pulling horseshit like opening Asriel's Cyber City room with his eyes closed or turning the knob of the closet the Knight is obviously hiding in but not doing anything else.

>>715454727
Having an actual Goner as the playable character would be awesome and the perfect way to connect us to the Gaster lore.

>>715454657
He clearly likes putting on a scene though.

>>slams you repeatedly with a hockey stick
Got that from Dess.

All memes aside, why did Kris distance himself from Noelle?

are we gonna kill sans in Deltarune or what

>>715454871
You are still required to give your own name.
>* This is a familiar place, yet you look like you only just got here.

>>715454949
Cock size.

>>715453437
Livia Soprano taught me that therapy is a racket for the jews.

>>715443129 (OP)
there's nothing else to talk about, your theories suck, your shippingfaggotry sucks. jannie, send them to /vg/

>>715455034
Because he blames himself for getting Dess killed and assumes Noelle secretly hates him. It's why he does actually seem to take it personally when Noelle claims they only hung out because they are neighbors. He is VERY insecure about all of his relationships.

>>715454887
... that's in True Pacifist. There's no LOVE here, anon. Sans is just being cheeky.

>>715455034
Whatever happened to Dess and Kris's involvement in it is probably what made him the little autistic freak he is currently.

>>715454958
This is what's probably going to happen. We're going to get out of Kris's and into the Vessel back, and the SOUL will start to break the fourth wall and talk about how glad they are that we're here with them.

So I'm controlling a soul that's controlling Kris. who doesnt have control if the soul is controlling him when it's controlled by me?

>>715454140
basado

>>715454943
This but unironically.

>>715455113
The point of Sopranos is mostly that Tony is irredeemably evil not that Therapy is bad.

>>715455150
I mean LOVE.

>>715455075
Yes. Because (You) are still a character in the story. Just like Cloud Strife is when you're playing FF7.

The SOUL is the real main character. Kris is an unwanted third party.

>>715455278
It's just Undertale again:
>Body
Frisk.
>Soul
Chara
>Player
Player.

>nightmare_boss_links.ogg
is this unused? it's a more NES sounding version of burning eyes in the game's music folder

>>715455278
Ok, so im controlling the soul that doesn't want me but its controlling kris who doesn't want the soul that's controlled by me to control him?

>>715455229
you still have retards that hate Skylar White, some of these people have absolutely 0 media literacy.

>>715455007
Kris is a different being from (you), who are the soul, but instead (you) in undertale aren't possessing Frisk, more than you are possessing Revan in KOTOR, or Sonic in Sonic, they're (you) acting as that characreter.

>>715455075
>>715455278
Ugh I fucked my post up.

(You) are a character, but so is the entity you're controlling. And you're controlling the SOUL.

>>715455315
Exactly.

What is exactly the point in trying to make the soul an actual character? I've never seen a fandom that wants to be disconnected from a meta story like this before. Not with Oneshot, OFF, or Mother. Is it because of the evil routes?

>>715455229
>I mean LOVE.
Exactly. Frisk runs away with a smile when you don't get any LOVE. Why are you saying it's Chara, then?

>>715455398
>trying
fuck do you mean trying? it flat out is. why do you retards who have never played the game even come into these generals? let alone make your dogshit low quality posts.

>>715455415
No, I'm saying LOVE goes to Chara. So if he stops smiling when he runs away that might be evidence Chara is gaining more control.

>>715455023
But why is the name necessary. Why do the soul and vessel need their own identity beyond being our vessels, especially if that's what the soul has nearly exclusively been in the available game

>>715455445
Have you even played the start of the game you absolute fucking retard?

Wow, how meta is this game?

>>715455445
>it flat out is
Okay, prove it retard.

>>715455385
You're controlling the SOUL, who wants you around and goes along with everything you're doing because they're being held prisoner and you're their only hope of escape. Kris is your captor, who DOESN'T want you around (but may or may not know that you're there in the first place) and wants to keep the SOUL ignorant lest they escape and do some hero shit to fuck up their plans. Without (You)r help, the SOUL has no way to resist Kris's influence - Snowgrave only happens because you're there to interfere with events.

>>715455398
It's mostly just speculation. We don't know the actual reason yet.

The whole point of Chara and Frisk being separate was mostly commentary on the way people approach RPG games. Chara was a suicidal misanthrope with a perfectionist fetish. In the genocide run you basically make him realize the joys of EXP grinding and he follows you to every future game. Frisk by contrast is seemingly a nice friendly pacifist, if one who might still be a bit troubled. Both of them largely show the difference ways people approach fictional worlds.

>>715455445
Your headcanon will not be canon no matter how much you insist on it.
The soul is exactly how Gaster describes it at the very beginning of the game: our connection. It's not an independent entity, nor its own character. It has power, but needs that power to be wielded by someone else, usually us but also Kris if we're not connected. It does not have a will of its own and never will.
>>715455398
>Is it because of the evil routes?
Bingo, the UT fandom cannot accept a game pointing out they're the ones responsible for their own actions in the game, they need a scapegoat and they've pushed that mentality onto DR as well.

>>715455573
oh now it makes sense

>>715455278
>>715455315
The SOUL is Kris's SOUL. We are possessing it. I does not have its own will, it's a part of Kris, in the same way that Susie's SOUL is a part of Susie. The SOUL does not act independently of the self, the SOUL is the self.

>>715455398
>Is it because of the evil routes?
Unironically yes, this is also why Undertale and Deltarune have the only evil routes worth playing in vidya, and I say that seriously

>>715455474
The SOUL has its own identity already. Gaster brought them in, he knows who they are. Gaster needs you to name the meat puppet you're going to be controlling, which like Kris would be its own entity, and to give him your own name, which he does not know.

>>715455474
I don't know, I am not Toby Fox. You could say that to any plot point that was show in Chapter 3 and 4 back in the Chapter 2 days. Personally, I just think it would be interesting. Maybe Toby doesn't want to go full meta and keep things "in-universe". We don't know, you're asking subjective questions here.

>>715454310
That Andrew Cunningham guy did exactly this and was like "Oh well sometimes Toby just needs to do silly videogame stuff, not everything needs to be theorized with" and I'm just like, dude, it has been established over and *over* again that EVERY game mechanic we see is diegetic. All of them. The reality these characters are in literally operates off of these game mechanics, Susie is literally confused after Ralsei delivers those tutorial lines. Characters physically interact with all the menus multiple times in combat and stuff.
But again and again these surface level normie theorist don't internalize that.

>>715443129 (OP)
He better or that dog will fucking pay

>>715455731
im ashamed to say these noellegoku tits are really making me think

>>715455467
... so you agree with me that Frisk is the one smiling? Because everything you said seems to imply it.

>>715455731
The best evil routes in gaming tend to be in Strategy games. Like playing Vampire counts in Warhammer Total War

>>715455828
Yes, I do think it is probably Frisk. It MIGHT be Chara, but that relies on way more assumptions.

>>715443129 (OP)
>do you think ralsei will see the light world one day?
I imagine in the true ending, the Light World and the Dark World will find a way to coexist in some bullshit magical determination soul-powered asspull.
But, I am all for that, since that means Berdley will be able to annoy Queen, forever.
Simp away, bird man. Simp away...

>>715452162
Susie looks uncanny and too gecko-like but otherwise, not bad.

Kris would make a good SC6 custom fighter with that look.

>>715455739
>Gaster brought them in
Kill yourself.

>>715454026
Get to it, porn artists.

>>715455398
Nobody cares about One-shot or OFF, and the player is barely a thing in Earthbound outside of killing the main bad. I don't understand why people like you get so butthurt over people portraying Chara as evil in 2016 that you base your entire viewpoint on spitting these fans who moved on to other series.

so when kris turns to look at the player he knows im controlling the soul that just so happens to align with what i want?

>>715455731
I agree. The evil routes gives weight to the good routes after all.

>>715456019
>Torturing Noelle gives weight to the normal route
How so ?

>>715455573
I think if this were to happen there would need to be any indication at all that it is happening in the first half of the game. By indication I mean something that isn't a heavily interpretative like trying to establish Kris' individuality only by attributing dialogue choices to him would be. The soul manages to have less individuality than Frisk

>>715455638
How does the SOUL have its own will without you there, though? When you eventually gain the ability to skip to chapter 5 it will have done the amogus vent thing all on its own. Everything in the game is diagetic, but ESPECIALLY the Gaster menus. If you can explain how the SOUL moves and acts on its own while just being a glorified mouse cursor without resorting to "it's just a game" or other cop-out answers like that I will happily concede.

>>715452650
Kris's soul was sold in a deal with a devil
(You) own it
It's YOURS now

>>715456009
Chara made me do it bro

>>715455754
>Little girl beating Kris.
Embarrassing!

>>715455939
Oh okay, cool. Glad we're on the same page.

>>715456106
the meta layers in this game.... toby truly is a genius.

>>715456204
>People seriously think Dess will come back
Come the fuck on. She's the Asriel of Undertale.

>>715455991
>Nobody cares about One-shot or OFF, and the player is barely a thing in Earthbound outside of killing the main bad
At least of those games heavily inspired Toby Fox anon. The player thing is in every mother game but you might not know that.
>I don't understand why people like you get so butthurt over people portraying Chara as evil in 2016
You're a dumbass who's obviously talking about someone else you augured with in the past because I fucking hate that brat. I reiterate, why distances yourself from a game that REALLY wants your input and feelings?

>>715456075
You're going to call any answer a cop-out, so I'm not going to bother. "It has a will of its own" is a cop-out answer itself. I'm going to wait until the rest of the game is finished before properly answering, but "the soul has a will of its own" is heavily far down the list of reasonable possibilities.

>>715456245
...so you mean she's the main antagonist and true final boss?

>>715454852
Kris is hostile even if you didn't do that, so your argument doesn't work.

this thread feels absurdly /utg/ for some reason

>>715456307
If it's a good answer that actually makes sense, I promise won't call it a cop-out.

>>715456245
Kris WILL keep his promise and save her

I like this theory. we should repeat it.

>>715456274
>At least of those games heavily inspired Toby Fox anon
So? Just because they are inspirations, doesn't mean Undertale nor Deltarune need to be 1 to 1 copy of them.
>I reiterate, why distances yourself from a game that REALLY wants your input and feelings?
Because I am not a self-inserter who NEEDS to be part of the universe to have investment into it. You got mad at me calling out Charafags who argue they're innocent, but you act just like them where you NEED the satisfaction of the player being blamed for the evil routes.

>>715454242
filech3_2
It goes 0 = first
1 = second
2 = third

nerf the knight

>>715456075
You exist outside of Deltarune's time and space like Gaster does. You still took those actions, even if you haven't done them yet. You are not constrained by causality.

>>715456315
Yes.

>>715456405
No, the story will end with Kris giving up on Dess while sad music plays and we see a montage of Dess, Asriel, Noelle, and Kris playing together as children.

Then Kris turns towards the players and admits that despite everything, they didn't have a bad time together.

>>715456075
There isn't, really. People already use Kris moving on his own to prove he is "resisting" the player, so each time the SOUL does it should count. But because it's a red heart it gets dehumanized.

>>715456453
>You got mad at me calling out Charafags
Can you stop projecting please? I generally hate all of the humans in UT/DR so I don't give a shit to defend the fallen brat or their fans. Also, this conversion is meaningless given you said this.
>So? Just because they are inspirations

Oh!! I found a couch!

*thud*
A lucky find!
Kris!! Come sit here too

*small*

>>715456519
>Thank you, player...for freeing me from that demon heart and Sans from Undertale.
kino

>>715456106
I really don't think Ralsei was supposed to be looking at (You). Toby just wanted us to see his surprised face and that's the only way to do it at that angle.

>>715456620
There's more space left!! Why did you sit here!!
*kick*

Come on, sit somewhere else
...

*sweat drop*

>>715456516
Eeeeeeh, it doesn't quite feel right, especially with the context of Seam/the Schizoboss hole that's atemporal like you're suggesting only remembering things you've actually done, buuuuut I'll accept it. Congratulations, you win.

>>715456712
Jeez
Fine...

>>715456580
I accept your concession, then. It's always people who hate a core part of the game that INSIST you should feel bad for playing it.

How did you end up Here? I thought that Undertale was supposed to save (you) from such places.

>>715443129 (OP)
Does anyone have more art where Ralsei looks like this? ^_^

Reminder

>>715456839
Undertale mostly saved me from liking Touhou.

>>715456809
There is no concession you dipshit.

>>715456075
I bet you freak out over the timeskip between Chapter 3 and 4 too, scrambling to assign rules to our lack of involvement between chapters. Personally I think sometimes Tony just needs to make a normal video game scene and you're too deep in your own reading of the game to imagine that. I'm gonna laugh when the full game comes out and you're still tallying up all the plot-insignificant individuality you've assigned to a faceless, nameless object

>>715456854
God I want to breed the Roaring Knight so badly

>>715456920
>No argument.
That is one. I accept your double concession.

>>715456889
I like Touhou, I just hate the western fanbase. This happens quite often.

>>715456580
>I generally hate all of the humans in UT/DR
quintessential furkek

What’s the next step in his master plan?

>>715456854
>Knight to C3.

>>715456580
>I generally hate all of the humans in UT/DR
chara stop posting

I ain't saving any Dess art because I know it will become obsolete once her canon design shows up.

>>715456854
That ain't Tenna's smile.

>>715457058
>Chara posting in these threads about how (You) are evil and she is a innocent little child that (You) corrupted.
Funny.

>>715456245
so what if she's stuck as the knight. let my boi have his glooby demonic waifu

>>715453713
>>715453889
It's crazy since the plot hinges on the player, not the player's character, being an entity that exists and is acknowledged by the characters in the game world. I'm really surprised at how unwilling some people are at accepting this part of Feltarune. I think they'll get really lost as the plot continues.

>>715455398
Combination of it adding layers to the narrative and the fact that undertale kinda pulled that stunt with chara so people are wondering if that's going to be the case again.

>>715457114
could just be both

>>715456384
My personal theory is that the "default" chapters represent the original timeline of the events of the game, which will inevitably result in an unsatisfying ending. Our existence is to change fate chapter by chapter to achieve a better outcome. I think this because of our ability to go back and get eggs, shadow crystals, and extra boss items that we missed before, which carries them forward into future chapters as if we had already gotten them.

So for the Tom & Jerry shenanigans specifically, we know from snowgrave that Susie getting the guitar was not the trigger for Carol showing up early and that she was always going to show up, so on a chapter 4 that we don't play those shenanigans simply don't happen. Kris drinks some choccy milk and plays the piano until Carol shows up, Susie snoops around and sees the guitar but can't read the code (this also happens on snowgrave while Kris and Noelle are chatting), and the rest of the chapter continues as normal.

>>715456737
Think about it in terms of FATE
There are certain actions that we will take no matter what. It's only through out Determination - by actually playing out the story - that we are able to change our FATE and do things like collecting that Shadow Crystals.

Tell me about FRIEND
What is it

>>715455398
Cuz it's how it worked in Undertale.

>>715457301
He's Kris' friend in the dark.

>>715456854
>pink and yellow stagelights positioned directly behind Tenna's "eyes"

>>715457234
>It's crazy since the plot hinges on the player, not the player's character, being an entity that exists and is acknowledged by the characters in the game world.
The plot (so far) only hinges on the SOUL and Kris being different people, Charakek. Maybe in the future it will be what you said, but that isn't the case yet.

I miss Chara...things were so much simpler back then....

>>715457298
FATE to is an acronym, it stands for Final And True Ending (good luck localizing that, 8-4)

>>715457301
Either Susie's chair, a fucked up creepypasta monster Noelle spawned by playing her videogame too incorrectly, or some random demon of darkness.

>>715457402
they judged and disobeyed you at the end of genocide

>>715456854
That's not Tenna's mouth, it's Friend's.

Kriselle is the canon ending

>>715457301
Gaster's ralsei replacement.

>>715457474
>cucking out at the second
Maybe you, couldnt be me

>>715457234
>I'm really surprised at how unwilling some people are at accepting this part of Feltarune.
I always have to remind myself that some sub-demographics of fanbases are only really found on 4chan, and I think this one is just a batch of people who HATE meta elements in games, but rather than just flat out admitting that they think the game would be improved without them, they just jump through a bunch of denialist mental gymnastics

>>715457301
Noelle got an egg from the eggman out into her modded game of Cat Petterz, which she used to create headless monstrosities and murder any offspring that spawned. It hatched into a Creepypasta monster that exists in the Light World and inside the game's in-universe operating system. It traumatized Kris and Noelle when they were exploring the forest as kids and it's what is giving the Schizo bosses their Freedom schizophrenia.

>>715457402
I miss my wives. I miss them a lot. I will be back.

>>715457301
Here is a masterdoc about it

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1OX5Ji9kfEKZvXnzGfnHuxO4tdsQH9eSaXqiJnp1GK-0/mobilebasic

>>715443129 (OP)
imagine if asriel is trans now

>>715456337
Huh, I hadn't considered that interpretation.
>Ralsei knows about the soul
>Ralsei knows about the eventuality of the soul switching over to Susie
>Susie talking about Kris "making her to something" cause Ralsei to do a double take ("wait, the soul switched over already?")

>>715457529
There is a precedent, though. And they fuck up your pacifist whether or not you agree with them.

>>715457545
You can always go back to your Xitter/Reddit hugbox if you really get this triggered over it, anon.

>>715452118
i believe in oneeshota dessxkris

>>715457526
this theory is very funny so i hope it's right

>>715457684
Yeah, I made a deal with Chara.

>>715457665
in game, Ralsei directly stares at you when Susie said "made me do something"

>>715457686
>le bratbratbratfag
kekypow

>>715457684
This only happens if you go back and try to restore the world.

>>715454089
what is it with asriel and befriending shitty people?

>>715457381
Y'know after the pink and yellow cat billboards that Kris very clearly doesn't like, I'm not taking this shit as coincidence anymore. Especially since FRIEND is inside TV World (hiding inside the S-class vending machine) and was inside the Mike room.

>>715457007
2/3rds of the humans shown in this series suck dick anon.

>>715457686
he said, while pushing tumblr hugbox fanon.

>>715457830
If they were so loyal, they wouldn't request your soul and then fuck up your ending against your will.

>>715456464
Thanks bro
Any idea what the other numbers are?

>>715457841
he us rape/abusebait he just can't help it,it's in his nature to be fucked over by the people he's closest to

she cute

>>715457867
All of them suck dick, but we're talking about whether or not they're decent people.

>>715457915
Tumblr is anti-player?

>>715457867
>but if they were FUZZY MONSTERS they'd be amazing

It wasn’t me guiding the Batter to purify the world. It was a third entity that I was controlling, which I was told to give my name and sex.

>>715457964
mtf

>>715457991
tumblr was absolutely the central nucleus for the "the player doesn't exist, all the bad things were Chara, I'm not responsible!" bullshit back in the day.

>>715457987
>All of them suck dick
My dick btw.

>>715457867
is that counting the ut intro humans

>>715458056
based homosexual

>>715458052
I don't believe you, Charakek. The most popular Tumblr analysis I can find say the contrary. Fuck, NarraChara came from there.

>>715458096
Yes, they should've slaughtered the monsters completely, letting them live was bad.

>>715458027
The Batters soul and body were one. There was only you and him. Kris has stolen someone else's soul. There is you, your actual player character who is a disembodied soul, and one of the main antagonists.

>>715458112
Those are girls.

>Undertalefags are still holding onto tumblr grudges from nearly a full decade ago
Maybe you guys are the worst part of the fanbase

>>715457940
My best guess is completion files used to create a new file on the next chapter.
But I'm not sure.

>>715458214
>>715458127
I seriously don't know what these people see in Kris.

come on
Kris likes doing fucked up shit
Why does he stop us when it's Ralsei and Susie but not anyone else?

>>715458027
>Strawman
>Not even about Undertale/Deltarune.
Embarrassing.

>>715458234
They're completion files, yes.

>>715458278
knightfags....

>>715458128
I'm not obligated to be your strawman for you. Take responsibility for your own actions.

>>715458231
Playerkeks are still mindbroken because some kids thought Chara was evil in 2016.

>>715452345
Kris is small tho, only a small pp lover would like Kris's shrimp (said lover being Dess)

>>715458343
>Moving the goalpost.
Sad. Those kids that thought Chara was evil aren't part of the fanbase. Not everyone who disagrees with you is them. Move on.

>>715458291
He’s in love with Susie
>looks away when killing both Susie and ralsei in the game
>blushes at Susie being told she’s good at flirting
>highest Tea amount of Kris’s is 90 when drinking Susie’s tea
>Toby talking about Susie putting her head on kris’
He likes her and Toby agrees

>>715458403
this. chara is innocent

Would you rather have Asriel be like Asgore or Ralsei?
You have to pick 1

>>715458291
what are you talking about. he tried to stop us when it's towards noelle

>>715458231
Personally I think one of the best things to happen to Deltarune was that tumblr blogs long since because irrelevant

OUR GODS

>>715444659
Its possible he wasnt dating Dess, but she certainly had a crush on him

>>715452118
>>715457702
We were mocked for it months ago, we were visionaries
https://files.catbox.moe/v4f7q1.webm

Kris should let me join his evil plan with the Knight in the normal route, i don't care if i get used up

>>715458325
After snooping around a bit, I'm like 60% sure that:
filech3_3 = first completion file
filech3_4 = second
filech3_5 = third
filech3_9 = shadowcrystal?
There seems to be some sort of meta aspect where once you get the shadow crystal once, you can get it again in the hole in castle town, but I can't check that easily.

>>715458403
>Destroys the world because they're a fucking psycho
>Doesn't understand why you'd ever replay the game if you do Genocide a second time
I dunno dude, at the very least they're a sociopath who only sees value in murder. You may have unintentionally taught them that, but seeing numbers go up isn't why you do Genocide.

>>715456337
Do you think Kris liked putting the bow on Susie's sprite or is that all on us?

>>715457301
A disgusting evil bastard creature that needs to die pronto

>>715458285
They prove one of the key points and themes that Toby's making, where those kinds of players continually project and push what THEY want onto the game's characters and don't care about what the characters themselves could want because these players think they know better
They all live in their own little world and don't actually pay attention to what the actual chracters are like or try to understand them

I have a confession to make, I never played any of the chapters nor Undertale.

>>715458758
Knowing Kris' personality, it's definitely something he'd do if he was in control. That entire segment was golden.

>>715458845
unironically why are you here, retard? faggots like you are the biggest problem ITT

>>715458845
>/v/ doesn't play video games
We know

>>715458521
Your pet Kris is up to date on all of his shots, right /v/?

>>715458845
We know, Playerfag.

Chara? Evil.
Sans? The hero.
Papyrus? His retarded sidekick.
Frisk? Sansy's fuckmeat.
Undyne? Comedy jobber.
Toriel? Fuckmeat #2.
Asgore? Fat NTR victim.

>>715458231
Shut the fuck up Spamdog or the only thing you're eating tonight is pipis again

>>715458814
All those people going "oh no we're awful for making Kris do things against his will!!1!" When in reality Kris only sees us as a tool to accomplish his goals, and little more than a nuisance to be contained otherwise.

>>715458908
The big ones, at least

>>715458845
>Doesn't play vidya
Why would you say that on /v/, that's pretty obvious anon

>>715458937
>Toby mentioned AUs.
>Toby made Gerson as his mouthpiece to keep making fanworks.
Toby unironically agrees with this.

>>715458885
I just like the characters

>>715458875
>Hey Temmie, can you draw Kris getting aggressively close to Noelle?

>>715458845
Bro the first two chapters of Deltarune are free what are you doing

>>715458537
a very pathetic attempt

>>715459109
lazy

>>715459069
is this real?

>>715459142
what else can you do against a god, while also sticking to your own plan

>>715459069
then play the game, you dipshit retard?

>>715458845
>yandere doe pic
EVERY TIME!

>>715452959
No, if anything (we)'re an angel. Souls are concentrations of emotion and purpose, with colored human souls being especially powerful. The only thing similar to a "demon" in this setting would be darkners and humans without souls. That said, Kris is probably without a soul because he sacrificed it for some purpose, rather than having been born without one.

>>715459321
yawn or keep his mouth closed like we know he can do

>>715458875
>Temmie, I want you to draw Susie resting her chin on Kris' head
>I don't understand. You want me to draw Susie and Noelle being cute together?
>Susie! Resting! Chin! On Kris' head!
>Got it! Susie flicking Noelle's hair!
>GODDAMIT TEMMIE YOU WANT ME TO HIT YOU WITH THIS BROOM?

>>715458814
I annihilate the world proposed by the outside as I observe it. I and only I decide what is real in my interpretation as this is within my power.

>>715459393
She'd still hear our voice. Remember when Kris was down, she could still hear us. We're way stronger in Weird Route for some reason.

>>715459374
Raise up your bat calls it a "demon heart".

>>715459323 >>715459167

>>715459321
Cathartically Deltatraveler'd the Soul

TV GODS stay winning
Roaring FRAUDS need not apply

>>715459510
No, the heart is innocent, and we're evil

>>715458521
I think Kris is a little shit and I love to take decisions that pisses him off but I also think he is cute because everyone talk about him in desirable way despite them saying he is weird, and then there's Toby who depicts him like this and I'm just confused as to how I am supposed to perceive this character.

>>715459510
The demon heart, under the guidance and protection of an angel.

>>715458845
Why do people nowadays pretend to play videogames? Is your brain so fucking fried from tik tok you don't have the attention span to sit down and play a videogame? I can't believe there are 'videogame' posers.

>>715459723
so kris is possessed by a demon heart that is possessed by an angel?

>>715457196
The thing is, the knight is not actually Dess, just like Ralsei is not actually Asriel. The knight is some kind of darkner or darkner adjacent entity that's based on people's memories of Dess, which Kris and probably a handful of other characters are still pretending IS Dess, out of some desperate hope they can use dark magic to turn the knight back into the girl.

It will not work out.

>>715458845
>>715459367
I was about to say, I don't think I've ever seen that pic tied to a good post ever

>>715459645
Black Knife's kinda boring honestly.

Dess is actually Kris' biological mother.
>Dess is not Noelle's sister, she's her aunt
>she got pregnant from a human when she was a teen
>to hush everything up, Carol asked her neighbors to adopt her child
>Dess was living with Holidays posing as Noelle's sister to be close to her son
>at one point she began to date Asriel
>Toriel knew that she is actually much older than people thought, so she ended up killing her in a fit of rage for molesting her son

>>715459686
Tobby's self insert IS a little shit, he probably fucked up A LOT to end up needing us to somewhat fix up whatever he did
But the game is thought to be fun and maybe to produce furry/gay boners so he can't be an irredeemable, he must have enough charm to be the main character after all

>>715458003
Kinda yeah. UT monsters are fundamentally rooted in positive emotion and you can fucking kill them just by hating them hard enough.

>>715460119
that kid's going nowhere

>>715459686
Kris is a cute sympathetic antagonist.
Cute because of design and how he acts, especially with Susie but also him being a chunni edgelord when he knows we can see him when we're outside of his body.
Sympathetic because he's clearly suffered some sort of traumatizing incident in the past and his actions may or may not be revealed to be fueled by a sympathetic motivation i.e. saving Dess.
Antagonist because that little fuck dared to fuck with me and Susie.

I want to hit him and then hug him.

>>715458845
>Anon only larps and shitposts
Like so many cases
Well this hellhole is made to promote the continued existence of trash like you, you could be having fun instead, but, it is your determination to do this

>>715459318
What is she saying? Very cute jap comic

>>715456839
I was already here to begin with.

>>715459816
Yes. We're possessing a soul which is possessing Kris.

>>715459948
why does ralsei look like arthur?

i trust the plan
true hometown patriots are in control

>>715460339
And Kris is aware of us controlling this soul from him looking directly at the player?

>>715459686
I think Kris just like or need to sabotage himself intentionally

>>715460372
the dreemurrs are exceptionally hairy horned aardvarks

what’s her fucking problem?

>>715458875
>There will be temmies
dyslexia can be fun sometimes

>>715460557
She's a cuck

>>715460372
They are both massive dorks.

It's gonna turn out that Noelle murdered Dess and Kris is carrying the dust-covered murder weapon. The Roaring Knight is the Black Knife's Darkner.

>>715460557
She's secretly grooming Berdly into having the same fetishes as her in case Susie doesn't work out.

* You are 100% contented!
*shiiiiine*

>>715456839
i played deltarune chapter 2 first when it released, swept up as a genuine bandwagoner
ojacie polak

>>715460557
She's a repressed psychopath.

>>715460702
Deltarune is very similar to Omori in its main plot
That is an actual possibility

>>715458521
>>715459686

>Kris is obviously in an extremely disjointed, bad faith promise that has now become truly his cage-- forget the SOUL's control over Kris, that promise is obviously his real cage at this point in the SPARE route, reeling him in from spending time with his friends, which by the end of chapter 4 is clearly what Kris actually would rather do
>anons like >>715451752 dont understand and seethe
What is the cure for such brainlets?

>>715459069
Tenna if he real

>>715458521
Kris...

>>715460702
Why would Noelle kill Dess

>>715461005
People are allowed to dislike the little shit anon.

>>715459997
I like it but I've been stuck on the Knight fight for like six hours so I doubt I'll ever go back to listen to it after this.

>>715461005
>The antagonist has a tragic past!
I don't care
He actively works against MY goals and he is going to get fucked up for that

>>715461005
Chapter 5 character development

>>715461005
Sure I feel bad for the guy but he did hit me with a hockey stick so fuck em.

little shit is my favorite tumblrism

>>715461005
There's a good reason why Toby only likes the Japanese fanbase

my question is, unless kris is fully aware of the player since the beginning, how would a kid who is possessed by a demon know that this demon is possessed by the player?

>>715461213
"tumblrism" are my favourite schizo posts

>>715460702
>came out of the Dreemurr household darkworld and rushed over to the bunker without turning back into an object
It physically can't be a Darkner unless it absorbed a Lightner's soul or something, and even then we don't know how that would exactly work
"it's still dark outside" doesn't work because Kris and Susie immediately reverted to their Light World outfits and colors upon stepping outside

>>715460334
>"It's now time for our 'présentation des fonctionnalités!'"
>"Phonkshin!"
>"Coming right BEHIND YOU!"
>"Coming right be-HIND you!"
>"Coming!"
>"He's the ninth (coming!)"
>"The Duke of Spook!"
>"He's French, and never drenched!"
>"You can't get this from a jar! (Ambassador Headshots)"
>"The sensation of your game!"
>"The class that makes you rage!"
>"Say it with us folks!"
>"There's a SPY creepin... A. ROUND. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeEEEEeeeeEEeERE!"

>>715461102
Either Noelle has uncontrollable murderous urges, or Noelle discovered that Dess was planning to run away from home and leave her behind.

>>715461102
An accident, we have been shown how noelle has some trauma and her magic goes out of control
The current implication is that some joke or game went too far and noelle went haywire resulting on Dess, getting hurt, dead, frozen, whatever the plot unfolds on
Of course Kris felt it was his fault, maybe it was, he isolated himself and someone made a plan with him to fix everything using (you)

>>715458845
Tell me something I DON'T know.

>>715460034
Dess is actually Kris' rapist.

>>715460793
Hot

>>715460702
>>715461365
The Black Shard retains the same name and attack bonus in the light world, which implies that the Knight (or at least their Black Knife) aren't affected by the light world.

>>715461005
>implying i don't understand
i get it, and i still hate him
we don't even have full context for his actions either so whatever headcanon you make up explaining how oh he's actually such a good boy and dindu nuffin is just as valid as thinking he's a faggot for doing what he does

>>715461515
Super Mario Bros. 2 is based on a Japan-exclusive game called Doki Doki Panic

>>715461295
???

>>715461515
I brushed the back of my hand against toby's back at a 2012 Homestuck fan meet.

>>715461639
Berdly strongly gives me vibes that he would constantly bring this up to his classmates for no reason and forget he's already told all of them.

>>715461005
People who hate Kris:
>media illiterate idiots ("Why can't he be obedient like every other video game protagonist?")
>people with no empathy (same kind of people who think chapter 4 ending was played for comedy)
>thin-skinned pussies ("he hit me with a hockey stick, he must be an irredeemable final villain!")
>"cute hoomans" avatarfags
>suselletrannies, for being a third wheel between their heckin lesbians

You people that read, that, webcomic
Predictions?

>>715461738
Berdly would think playing retro games on Nintendo Switch Online counts as "emulating".

>>715461747
kris dies and this plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaJsqJ_oV2g

>>715461295
Maybe they didn't told him the full deal, only that when the soul is inside, you might start doing unexpected shit

>>715461365
>>715461584
That would be the armour it's wearing. It's unchanged in the Light and Dark Worlds, so perhaps a Darkner wearing it could survive in the Light World? Like a diving suit, but in reverse.

As for what it's made of...well, the only other object that's unchanged between worlds are Gaster's eggs. And oh would you look at that, there's a pitch-black shapeshifter that hatched from one of them that has the same laugh as the Knight...

>>715461612
If you got what I was saying, you wouldn't call it headcanon, idiot nerd bitch.
>>715461205
You suck at bullet patterns and get him, Susie and Ralsei hit by the enemies, so it's give and take. Besides, it didn't hurt (You), did it?
>>715461184
>I don't care
>MY goals
I hope Kris hits you with that hockey stick more!

>>715461365
Note that Susie never actually got a positive visual on the figure she saw, only that she saw something moving toward the bunker, and for that matter never actually saw the Knight leave the dark world because it was too foggy. This is in the same chapter we learn that travelling between dark worlds is possible.

>>715460119
God, look how cute my human wives are compared to Kris here.

>>715461806
With how he thinks wavedashing is cheating I could seriously see him having a deluxe meltie over finding out someone pirated a game on the librarby computer.
He'd call the police and Undyne would unironically come rushing to the scene because she's that desperate for someone to arrest for any reason.

>>715461814
Would be god levels of kino ngl.

>>715461858
yeah but from the perspective of a child being possessed by a demon how would he know that this demon is controlled by another force and even looking directly at the player in-game

>>715461743
>(same kind of people who think chapter 4 ending was played for comedy)
This breed of people are probably the strangest to me desu, Susie's reaction alone makes that clear that it wasn't supposed to be funny

>>715461865
>it didn't hurt (You), did it?
It was hurtful and mean

>>715461743
he hit me with the hockey stick thoughever

>>715460487
When does Kris look directly at the player? Chapter 1 end? I doubt he knows player screen since he straight up plays the piano when he thinks he can't see us.

>>715461814
>Kris slowly starts dying
>Saviour of the waking world plays
>Gradually transforms into a knight-like appearance

>>715461959
it will
iirc savior of the wa(n)king world is somewhat special track for toby, that he made and to pay respect to deceased guy from hs music crew and track that changed toby into musician he is today

>>715461743
What about if I'm mad that he's putting the entire fucking world at risk to maybe bring someone back from the dead?

>>715461865
the headcanon part is the promise justifying what he does
if he dropped the promise i wouldn't hate him but he won't, even on snowgrave, he's a satanic faggot that wants to make undyne into a popsicle with his faggot bunker friends

>>715461005
But the thing is that I don't like Kris, even with the tragic past. I'm not going to bend over backwards for someone because of their sad backstory.

>>715462063
>When does Kris look directly at the player?
Literally every time a cutscene ends and we take back control. He turns to look at us as our cue to get moving.

>>715462063
he looks at the player in chapter 2 when you finish the mouse puzzle with Noelle. He looks at the player through the fence, making it look like he's smiling.

>>715462106
>that wants to make undyne into a popsicle
Not even just a popsicle but potentially a fucking Goner too if we assume the grayed-out fish in the sword route is literal

>>715462052
Dess hit him with a bat and he still loves her

>>715461747
To what? Beyond Canon? Yeah nothing, it's going to be a wild goose chase that doesn't go anywhere but at least the omega kids will start a new session.
If we talking about the game, Kris does some bullshit that will reverse the plot, because Toby is running out of Ideas in terms of story.

>>715461865
he will lose more and more HP with every hit, lovely

>>715461743
Krisfags are as little bitches as their character. Like, look at this raw seething.

>>715461005
Cool story, still risking the end of the world.

>>715462234
He doesn't love us though

>>715461005
>wah wah my life sucks, I now have the right to be an annoying faggot
Can't unrape Noelle dough
Can't unbone your mom dough
Can't prevent Susie's inevitable death dough

>>715461747
To escape the Roaring, Kris and co will have to initiate something very similar to the Scratch. The post-scratch world will be Undertale. In the process everyone will lose their memories and bonds with eachother, and the only person that will actually escape it and keep their memories/self is Sans (hence the don’t forget and the broken machine). That’s my schizo theory I’ve had since the beginning.

>>715461743
>Krusiefag was behind the Kris defense cope all along

>>715462063
im pretty sure in the demo he changed into Chara smiling and it was changed to looking through the fence to make i similar to Chara's smile.

Some people in this thread give off this weird aura that they dislike most of the cast between both games but force themselves to tolerate said games for some reason

>>715462186
>>715462198
That's just an automatic part of Game Maker, iirc. It's not a lore thing.

>>715452596
It's because Asreal has always been queer coded.

He fired literal rainbows in Undertale, and is all pink and shit in Deltarune. Nothing about his character implies gay though, just the way he looks.

>>715461981
Oh, i would say Kris noticed the strange mind-reading power

>>715462205
yeah but saying he wants to make her into a popsicle is funnier

>>715462372
Sounds extremely likely

>>715461365
>unless it absorbed a Lightner's soul or something
Wonder where it could have gotten one of those? Maybe a conspicuously soulless person in the story who knows how to remove souls from his body?

>>715462389
Most of us are Ex Homestuck fans, I mean, That pretty much explains all of it.

I definitely don't appreciate being left in the dark about all of Kris's bullshit and getting beaten with a hockey stick but to think he's irredeemable this early is fucking retarded
The promise thing definitely implies he's being blackmailed in some way and it's likely all related to Dess