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D-does your character have... a s-sword!?!? I think I'm gonna be sick...

MANTLE ain't no masterpiece

>>715545186 (OP)
Let me guess ex-Yugo?

I broke so many famiclone controllers

WHY IS EVERYTHING GOLD AND PINK

friend controller

>>715549318
Friendly colors

Heh.
I'm Heats Flamesman.
Remember my name!

>>715545624
Theres still no mantle romhack? this is [!?#%]

>>715545624
The title is clearly meant to be Man Hole

Is this the thread?

>>715545186 (OP)
god damn computer video games ruining this day's youth

what's the consensus on the 'kris is actually the second hero' theory?
while i think this image has a couple issues (the 'ribbon' is clearly kris' hair) i do feel that kris has every requirement except for possibly the one that matters most (kris being female)
surely toby noticed this, right? it would be very strange if he didn't

>>715554862
Hair seems too long to be Kris. Doncha think?

>>715554862
I think the silhouette is Noelle wearing her hood and angel wings. The stuff sticking out of the Girl's back goes down too low to be anyone's hair IMO.

>>715554862
This only makes sense if Kris was actually written to be a non-binary tranny and everyone just psychically knew their preferred pronouns.

>>715555679
stop obsessing over trannies
kris being called 'they/ them' can easily be explained by toriel always referring to kris like that and everyone followed suit since they don't deal with humans enough to know any better

>>715556080
It would have to be a plot point if there's going to be twist later that Kris was originally "The Girl".

>>715545186 (OP)
>Yellow and pink cat ads
>FRIEND
>Spamton/Dealmaker
>Susie/Noelle
>Undertale's MERCY colors
>The Mike Room Cat Petterz games in the switch version are COVERED in pink and yellow
>Odd Controller
>"The field of pink and gold"
>Gerson has a yellow eye and pink hair
>Asgore's pink hawaiian shirt and blonde hair
>Pink and yellow stagelights positioned directly behind Tenna's "eyes"
>'Monster' and 'search' on the Monster Kidz Word Search are pink and yellow respectively
>"Shelter Key" in Shadow Mantle game is emphasized once in yellow, once in pink
>The Ferris Wheel is also pink and yellow
I'M GOING INSANE

>>715545186 (OP)
It's getting harder and harder to find these threads in the catalogue.

>>715556768
There's non-stealth thread going on right now.

>>715556768
personally I just go to arch.b4k.co, type in "kris" (or something similar), and then just wait until the new thread is available to find

>>715556603
you forgot one

QUICK!
You have two choices!
>The object that is 90 degrees to your RIGHT is now your personal enemy in the Dark World.
>The object that is 90 degrees to your LEFT is now your personal enemy in the Dark World.
What is it, and do (You) survive?

>>715557108
My cum towel is going to rape me and a glass of water will watch in horror

>>715557108
Nothing interesting at 90 degrees, so I did 45 degrees instead. Now it will be my meds and my pig squeaky toy.

Fucking MADCATZ

>>715557108
>left
a sleeping mask
>right
nothing (unless you count walls as a thing)
yeah i think the choice is clear

>>715557108
>A bottle of whiskey
or
>A storage container with who knows what in it
I guess it's the whiskey by default. This is certainly one way to beat alcoholism, or get beaten by it. I hope 80 proof doesn't mean I take 80 damage per hit.

LOL they rape the watercooler thread but not this one. If that silly billy janny really wanted to stick it to us, he'd play deltarune so he could understand the references we use for the stealth threads.

Also you will never be a woman, janny.

>>715557108
>a traffic cone
>a walkie talkie
I feel like the cone would be easier to deal with, the radio would probably scream Gaster noises at me.

>>715545186 (OP)
This game has rotted my fucking brain every time I see Yellow/Pink I just immediately think of spamton/FRIEND

>>715557459
>Your time has cum, Anon!
>[booble!?]
>>715557695
>Time to take your medicine - the prescription is PAIN!
>Make 'em squeal!
>>715557893
>Lights out!
>>715557897
I'll drink deep of your despair...
>>715558057
You should stop browsing 4chan while you're at work. But, also:
>Surrender now! I'm warning you!
>Somebody call for an ass whoppin'? That's a 10-4 on that.

I hope Toby gets prostate cancer and dies in a puddle of his own urine.

>>715558671
It's just Jevil

>>715559162
He's impossible to beat

>>715559201
>>715558671
He's the 2nd hardest boss in the game. He has a lot of attacks, but you'll get the hang of them.

I'm back. Any more AI requests?

>>715559570
dess chuffing down a fat cigar with sunglasses on the beach

>>715560229
hard as fuck

>>715559570
Give her a cock pubes and hairy pits now!!!

So we know taking regular items can turn into weapons in the dark world. Pencils become swords, hair brushes become axes, etc. what would happen if you actually brought a weapon into the dark world? Would it remain the same, become a better weapon, or would it turn into an ordinary object like a pencil?

>>715559570
Oh yeah, if I think your request is cringe, I'll just flat out ignore it

>>715560867
You know the answer already!

HIFIVE

>>715560867
Guns having souls means a revolver could turn into a human sized robot who's gonna be a real selfless bro. Until it goes haywire and starts airing out the whole block

Faggot janny better stop deleting these threads.

>>715561213
If he doesn't stop there's always that one gerson image that makes him seethe

>>715556603
not to mention Gerson only ever has one eye open so his other could be pink for all we know

>>715561410
>Gerson has conjunctivitis

>Your humble servant
>Born of glitches
>Gives away shadow crystals like candy
>Fucks with Spamton
>Steals the shadow mantle
>Hides in a vending machine

So what's with the reoccurring joke about moss? You can find moss in every chapter. I just don't get it. Is it supposed to be funny?

>>715556080
or maybe kris is meant to be non-binary dumbass

>>715562051
Think of it as a bunch of weirdos bonding over mundane things like eating moss but also a likely display of shared neglect, Susie eating moss out of necessity since she is from a shithole household, Kris eating moss as a suicidal tendency seeing how trash his life is and Ralsei will eat moss to join in, he too is a victim of neglect, his own neglect, he is a ''darkners don't have rights'' type that wants to be stepped on, a 3 way meal of Moss is going to break that off him

>>715562051
Greatest love story of our days.

>>715545186 (OP)
Ending Man is what Kojima would name a guy who is a metaphor for the Grim Reaper

>>715562248
Did Ralsei ever ate moss? Also I think Kris eats moss because of Dess, reindeer eat moss and she was into hiking so she taught Kris how to live off the land,

>>715562564
No but we're cracking that little hermit crab out of his shell and have a 3 way moss meal by chapter 5

>>715559317
It's been 2 days.

>>715562248
>, Susie eating moss out of necessity since she is from a shithole household
I always saw it has Susie having Pica, the chalk for example.

Taking bets on the existence of a LIGHTmantle.

I like the theory that King was wearing the dark mantle during his fight and that's what flew off after you defeat him

>>715557108
>Cup with a big tiddy foxgirl on it
>Or an exercise bike
I'm going with the fox girl, and I think I'll be fine.

>>715563202
There's unused Sky Mantle item.

>>715554862
It's definitely Noelle. She's the only character, other than Kris, that can equip swords.

>>715556603 >>715556975
Red is between pink/purple and yellow in the color spectrum.

>>715563256
Eram's theme takes a similar melody to the chaos king theme, it is very plausible that you fought the part that made king go evil

>>715563406
Toby in a stream said something about the fountain making him act like that

>Ctrl+F "doc"
>0 results

I FUCKING HATE

WHAT THIS WEBSITE HAS BECOME

Can someone explain the Kris knocked out Susie and Ralsei during the Knight fight theory? What proof is there for that, and why would he do it?

>first good thing happens in susie's life, she's a hero that everybody depends on, but her dream is immediately shattered after learning of the sacrifice she must make
susie is the second hero. that's the story. don't think too hard about it.

>>715561837
https://voca.ro/1heatfunrqFV
Change is coming from the inside of the phone
A hand that plays until you're all alone
It pulls strings and it makes them ring
Until your heart turns to red

>>715563816
>and why would he do it?
what part of Kris made a promise do you still not get by chapter 4?
Dude is SHACKLED to a deal he made with the knight or whatever conspiracy surrounding the knight and our own Determination to no-diff the knight so hard that Kris coughs to signal the knight they'll do a gamer move is a dead giveaway that we were not meant to beat the knight on the spot.

>>715563816
>why would he do it?
Retard option: "Because he's evil, look, he hit me with a hockey stick!"
Option for people with brains: Susie successfully pissed Knight off, if Kris didn't SWOON her Knight would've KILLed her instead.

>>715563719
nigga you are color blind

>>715554862
It’s possible but not likely
There is no point in making a subversion of a subversion as chapters 3-5 were supposed to be released together, the whole game after chapter 1 was supposed to be released as one thing in fact
So there is no point to imply the girl could be both Susie and Noelle, possibly Dess, and then say
>haha it was actually kris along!!!
Because an average player playing through the game would barely notice it possibly referring to multiple girls if that

>>715562902
It took me a long time too. If you're keeping track of the turns, you'll get there.
I just challenged him for a rematch after a few years, and it's pretty hard but fun.

The alternate universe chapter 4 just dropped
https://youtu.be/TwrC8AiDjjE

>>715560867
Kris’s real knife is a nuke in the dark world which is why he can swoon Ralsei and Susie in 1 hit btw

>>715562248
Reindeers eat moss and Kris doesn’t have a regular human identity
Most mosses are toxic to humans

How did anyone beat the knight and not think fucking kris did it, he got fucking KNIGHTED immediately after. Are you niggers fucking retarded or something? It's completely blatant and unambiguous.
Also Lancer is the key to all this, if Toby can get Lancer working he might be a funnier character than we've ever had

>>715564023
Kris/Knight share a lot poses, why wouldn't they share similar attacks too?
Truthfully I think there's too much evidence for someone to just casually ignore it, when I first played it I was surprised it was even a question. Why would the Kris/Knight interaction after the fight be so different if it wasn't in reaction to Kris proving his allegiance by taking out the fun crew?

>>715563816
I'll give you the qrd
>What proof is there for that
speculation based on headcanon
>and why would he do it?
see: headcanon
notice how almost every point in the "points for" column here >>715564023 contains a phrase like "can be" or "could be"

>>715564590
because kris wouldn't hurt his friends and the entire rest of the game is evidence of this

>>715559570
You never gave me loli Torial riding cock.

>>715564174
I wouldn't have let that happen. I would have moved out of the way. It saddens me that Kris has no faith in my gaming abilities.

>>715564590
>It's completely blatant and unambiguous
It's so blatant and unambiguous that you have you write 2edgy4me fanfic for it to make sense. It's the Knight.

>>715564742
YOU'RE THE ONE IGNORING SHIT LITERALLY HAPPENING IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.
RETARD.

>>715564742
>Carries out Fate with the blade
Jeez anon I wonder what this is referring to.

>>715564667
Susie and Ralsei were fine after they had a moment to catch their breath. It's not like Kris broke their legs.

>>715564667
Whoever the knight is matters more to Kris than Susie and Ralsei.

>>715564667
He knocked them out to save them retard what choice did he have

>>715564372
I want to rip Ralsei's teeth out with pliers for being a waste of a party member who dies right before I can beat Jevil

>>715558671
Protip: The carousel heads don't have hitboxes

>>715565260
Just have him swap HP with susie lmao

>Deltarune Ch3 releases about 2 years after Ch2
>It's the exact same as it is now
>Everyone would be left on the cliffhanger for about 2 another years before Ch4 releases
How hard would people lose it if that happened instead of what we got?

You got a friend inside me

>>715566168
I kind of liked the double chapter release.
I feel there would be more Toriel outrage if Chapter 4 didn't drop together desu.

>>715566168
I can see why Toby was adamant on not releasing ch3 alone.

>"SPERMATOGENESIS!"
What did he mean by this?

>active thread about videogame discussion
Uh oh, janny’s gonna FREAK

>>715556909
Same. This is how I found this one after last thread was deleted.

Janny needs to take a fucking midol

>>715559570
Hot looking Frisk and Chara? You can gen Kris in there, too, to make it Deltarune related.

>>715561837
You forgot
>is the knight

>>715566168
The fandom would actually explode.

YES!
RIGHT WHEN I'M AT MY FUCKING LOWEST I KICK THIS LITTLE FAGGOT'S HEAD IN!

>room temp iq anons after beeting the knight
>haha were so great yeah were the fun gang
>kris kills susie
>bwuh huh what happen?
>"kwis... how could you?? :((("
>how could I what? How could I be so awesome??
>kris kills ralsei
>damn this knight guy isnt playing around
>kris gives up and starts kneeling
>damn he must be tired
>knight, knights kris.
>duh bwuh whats happening?

Literally everyone around Kris including Dess's direct family members
>Kris, we love you and we do not hold you accountable for what happened to Dess whatsoever. We are all your family and we care about you
Kris
>I ruined everything by existing and I must sacrifice myself to bring back Dess

>Recruiting darkners strengthens the power of the castle towns dark fountain
>Castle town has wings on the prophecy panel in the files
I wonder if Ralsei is planning on somehow turning the fountain fueled by our love into a weapon that can be used against titans.

>>715567427
That's how it works, unfortunately. It's like telling depressed person to cheer up.

>>715567114
nice job bro
enjoy uh, having some dude's tail

>>715567427
This is what life is like as a high functioning autistic male

>>715567427
Ever heard of the concept of Guilt?

>>715557108
I get attacked by the wall

>>715557108
>Mirror
>Plant
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>715561837
>cat-009 (peculiar to pick that specific number)
>humble servant
>laughing jumpscare where he zooms toward the camera
>tail of hell (where demons come from)
>advocates for level grinding, if one is to assume he's the mantle holder
>there's a voice in the goner maker with chara's speech patterns and FRIEND is a DEVICE file
Hmm, I wonder who this could be related to

>>715557108
It's either the wall or a Zapper so I think the answer is clear

>>715557108
>>715567687
I forgot the object to my left, which is my sketchbook. Would it be like a tsang tsung darkner that turns into the various characters drawn in it, or a summoner that summons sketches of the characters?

>>715564734
I was tired and went to bed
https://files.catbox.moe/xqzni2.png

>>715567427
I've been under the impression that Kris is partially trying to bring back Dess in hopes that it helps unfuck his family situation

>>715567529
I just feel sort of empty and sad.
Probably because I spent the last 2 days worth of attempts in a blinding rage directed at Ralsei.

>>715569583
Don't blame the fluffy boy for of your own inadequacy

>>715569802
If Ralsei is a projection of our own thoughts and feelings doesn't that mean it technically is his fault?
Because he's a part of us.

>>715554862
It's intentionally ambiguous because it can be either Susie OR Noelle. This is how the game will only have one ending whether you go weird route or not.

>>715570129
this is nice

>>715561837
>>715568191
Based cat girl Chara agenda.

>>715561837
My aggressive overanalyzing has led to a conclusion: the knight (or at least the shadow of the knight) is FRIEND, and my reasoning isn't easy to refute: "that chair is going to kick your ass"

ALL of the ball fortunes pertain to chapter 3, even the one about mizzles, so necessarily the chair-based ass-kicking happened in chapter 3. But where? Where did the chair kick our ass? The only ambiguous and difficult fights in the entire chapter were the knight and ERAM, and even then ERAM's dialogue ("enough of that, we both have work to do") heavily implies that they're the knight anyway.

There really aren't any alternatives.
FRIEND is the knight.

>>715570129
HOOCHI MAMA!!!!

>>715570768
It's FRIEND controlling Dess

>>715567253
A knight doesn't knight knights, the monarch goes

>>715570870
Other way around. Spamton neo is a puppet cat controlled by guitar strings. Ever find that odd?

How the fuck will our heroes catch up to the Knight's power level within a few days? We barely managed to defeat the Titan last chapter.

>>715559570
Noelle as our angel/vessel

>weird op that catches my attention so I look at it
>stealth deltarune thread
I hate you faggots immensely

>>715571558
Blame the jannies

>>715564609
because twitter believes kris is a "good two shoes who would never hurt anyone and YOU are evil for making them(him) do it!"

>>715570996
Say that to Toby.

>>715571410
honestly susie being confused by the angel because it looks biblically accurate would be better than "the player is the angel" thing
that mural in the UT artbook kinda shows what the angel might possibly look like

>>715571558
cry about it

>>715571907
Wtf cool AIslop?

>>715571661
Tell Twitter to read ERAM’s dialogue I guess

>The same part of you that enjoyed yesterday, knowing you could say it wasn’t really you.
>Your eyes can’t hide it, Kris. Without play, the knife grows dull.

>>715572250
they say that eram was talking to the player there instead of kris

>>715572290
Lmaooo. The "media literacy" crowd, everyone.

>>715571216
Ever find it odd that the Spamton's strings are the same color and thickness as the box containing your SOUL during battle?

>>715571907
Loved the concept so I made more

>>715565057
I like this interpretation
Kris knows the soul is cracked, but the knight is even stronger than they let on. If the fight continued, it's not that the knight would be defeated, it's that we'd force her into phase 2 while the rest of the gang are too weak to handle something like that.

Kris is an innocent wittle child being possessed by the big bad evil meanie player for funsies because it takes pleasure in stealing people's freedom
Phone call? Double agent? Police sacrifice? Stopping us from opening the door to see the knight? Beating us with a hockey stick for trying to rescue Undyne? What are you talking about, silly? Deltarune is a story about the player being evil and the protagonist being an unwilling puppet and the good ending is letting innocent Kris live their innocent life. The overarching message will be to stop playing games.

>>715572683
Why was Kris in art therapy? BECAUSE THEYHE SAW THE FUTURE WHERE YOU WOULD MAKE THEM FREEEEZE BERDLY YOU SICK FUCK

>>715571907
You're using v4 and not 4.5?
also, vibe check?

>>715572601
Kris directly signaling to the Knight on a no-hit run seals the deal that they are in cahoots. Also I like how everyone is speculating about this as if they didn't play chapter 4 where it is all very clearly confirmed that Kris is in a group chat with the Knight squad.

>>715572683
Oblivion theorysister...

>>715572290
They're talking to both.

>>715563719
i was thinking the exact same thing, man. crazy

>>715572838
I agree, and I think it's interesting how kris has to fight between a promise he made to what is likely his lost childhood friend he maybe accidentally screwed over, and his new friends made with (You)r help. Kris may be a little shit but this situation sucks for him and that's why I like the knocking out interpretation, it's a clever way for him to end the conflict before it goes too far, essentially stalling the decision he's going to have to make near the end of the game

>>715572828
Yeah I find v4 to be better than v4.5. just personally. For the Angel images, I used this image from SukeP for the vibe transfer

>>715572683
This and "KRIS IS EVIL AND HATES EVERYTHING AND WILL DESTROY THE WORLD" piss me off
The fanbase assumes very little nuance of the situation, despite it being pretty complicated with a lot of important details missing from the players POV

>>715572250
Kris might be a little shit but he's going through the same character development as Susie in parallel. Chapter 4 weird route couldn't have made it any more painfully obvious that he's vehemently opposed to what we're doing regardless of some small part of his juvenile subconscious enjoying it. We are judged by how we act on our impulses, not the fact that we have them.

>>715557108
>couch blanket
>paper bag I use as a beside-the-couch trash can
I think I can take 'em

>>715563719
You're welcome, patient.

>>715571907
>>715572540
Really really nice
Thanks!!

Toby, please, make Asgore drive a truck at some point

>>715573545
Thank you, doctor.

>>715573353
Kris is very obviously being forced to go along with some ridiculous convoluted plan, probably involving Dess and a "promise" he made related to her
He's not innocent and he's not le ebil. And we're ESPECIALLY not just possessing him at random for the lulz. We were most likely summoned as part of that plan, since it involves Dark Worlds and only we can seal fountains.

>>715573480
Oh I don’t think Kris is Pure Evul, but those particular lines plus art therapy and Kris generally being alt-universe-Chara make me think it’s a bit more significant than a juvenile impulse. If I had to guess now, I’d predict that he has a streak of genuine sadism (that probably used to be worse) and did something worth being treated for in the past with enough self awareness to have regrets now. He absolutely values some people enough to do damage control, like for Noelle. The fountain conspiracy is probably for some goal he and Carol genuinely believe in.

>>715566168
You'd see a ton of griping about Chapter 3 having practically no Light World segment at all.

>>715571840
>The 6 wings with a heart inside
The game might have us possess the whole castle in a queen like battle
But a small cool avatar feels badass

I wonder hoy tobby plans to work around it if playertown remains empty

>>715566403
He was just clowning around
The baby he impregnated you with can do anything too

>>715573827
It's such an interesting dynamic, and I think it's a shame that so much of the fanbase misreads the situation so hard

>>715573249
Thanks

>>715574020
I've seen people here say that Castletown cracks on the edges if you don't recruit the darkners

>>715574184
visibly or just that one ruddin talking about it?

>>715567597
Would definitely fit in with Kris's hand-washing marathons

>>715573928
I don't know why people jump to art therapy being for some sort of violent tendency instead of the obvious answer that it was for Kris's trauma over whatever happened to Dess. I think the room being dark is also meant to obscure that Noelle was likely there, too.

>>715571840
>that mural in the UT artbook kinda shows what the angel might possibly look like
That was just Omega Flowey.

What color is kris actual soul?

>>715574505
I mean this one in the artbook
it even has a lizard (susie) fighting it
it even has fucking antlers

>>715574580
Yellow

>>715574580
Golden

>>715574635
What the hell's with the snakes?

Lancer was a parallel to Kris and everything will be obvious foreshadowing when you look back at Chapter 1 after we see everything play out
>joining up with Susie as part of his superior's plan to "dispatch" her
>starts genuinely liking her, which wasn't part of the plan
>Susie losing her shit and nearly killing him because she finds out he's seemingly a traitor
>finally explaining the whole deal and deciding he'll defect to Susie's side for real and try to talk his superior out of it
Just pretend he's Kris, and King is the Knight, and Susie is Susie and everything will make sense.

>>715574505
>This is where we do art therapy and don't kill each other.
>You can never wash it all away.

It’s not exactly a stretch. Combined with ERAM insinuating that Kris did something Fun with a knife and seeming to be taunting them over their violence. Not even sure if it needs to relate to whatever happened to Dess.

>>715574861
And they're both remarkably blue and lacking in visible eyes

When did Tony say he'd extend chapter 1? Why is it a non-zero possibility? Time loop theory real???

>>715563258
>Oooh ho ho~ Don't you know foxes eat... meat?
>Rawr~
>>715567687
>>715568410
>You may be a formidable opponent, but you you defeat - The Drawing you Doodled in the Margin when you were Bored!?
...κiLl mƎ...
>Okay, that didn't work. At all. Shit. Just take these dark dollars and we'll call it your win.
>>715567942
Enjoy your Dark Link fight.
>>715568224
>Shocking, isn't it?
>>;-3
>>715573492
You don't even have to fight yours. They're super chill.
>Oh, hello there dearie! I kept your spot warm.
>Eyy, yadda know? It's da boss! You coulda picked anybody else, and you knew I was da guy fer da job. Those plastic jaggoffs thought they was SO special, but lookit me now!

So, how the hell did the soul turn into a gun during the Spamton fight? In Undertale, Monster attacks could turn your soul into different colors. Gerson even turns your soul green against his fight

Did Tobby Rotten really say no homestuck music in Deltarune

>>715575138
Kris is filled with juandice

>>715574793
Primordial entities
This image is a portrayal of UT/DT's Chaoskampf

>>715574861
This lines up with my theory that Noelle is the original "girl" in the prophecy who is meant to sacrifice herself, and everything happening with Kris, Carol, and the Knight is exploiting ambiguity in the prophecy to replace her with Susie.

>>715574635
Ohhh. That one. Yeah, that's totally Angel Noelle.

>>715575208
I agree with that, the only part of Lancer that doesn't line up with what we currently know of Kris is that King wanted him to kill Susie
The plan being to sacrifice Susie so Noelle gets to live would completely explain that.

>>715574861
It's good, but the first part should be something like that instead:
>gets his ass kicked by her at first
>actually manages to genuinely bond with her
>seemingly betrays her out of concern for her safety

>>715575138
Frisk's SOUL remembered Undertale.

>>715574793
Jockington grows a beard

>>715554862
This won't happen because it would piss off and alienate the entirety of Toby's fanbase, both the people that think Kris is a man and that Kris is a deydem, and at his core Toby is a people pleaser

>>715575398
>Kris is gonna get Susie locked up somewhere because he doesn't want her and the Knight to confront and kill each other
>This is what triggers the Vs. Susie return

I feel like nobody has really latched onto the significance of Susie's healing magic at the end of the Gerson statue fight generating light in what is otherwise advanced darkness.

>>715545186 (OP)
Does the pink button
END MAN?

>>715574635
Why does Noelle get to have evil fucking snakes.
Also the Dragon there is probably Susie with the Soul since ensouled monsters are supposed to look... off.

>>715575138
He's a real big shot, that kid.

>>715575723
>susie ends up thinking the SOUL was the one who made friends with her and that kris was always just the knight's double agent who never cared
She's gonna be so, so unbelievably pissed

>>715574381
>I don't know why people jump to art therapy being for some sort of violent tendency instead of the obvious answer that it was for Kris's trauma over whatever happened to Dess.
Personally I can't wait to see what unfathomable cruelties this silly little guy inflicted upon them

>>715576376
As long as there is piano somewhere nearby, Kris will be fine.

Speaking of pianos
>Kris used to love playing the piano
>Toriel must know that
>doesn't even have a cheap upright piano at her house
>not even a synthesizer anywhere in sight
What is wrong with her?

>>715575134
No man, my sketchbook is full of super powerful donut steels. [xpoiler] and a bunch of Undertale OCs [/spoiler]

>>715576456
Well from what Noelle taught the fucker while he was still in the egg. I assume he "threw away" or "punished" them, breaking reality all the while. Or he "modified" them because Noelle was modding her cat game to shit. She really could not have taught it worse shit if she tried.

I had a hard enough time with the Roaring Knight. How the hell do people finish the average sans fan boss?

>>715576997
Too expensive.

>>715577152
autism

>>715575138
Yellow Soul, coming right out of a red soul, with red being a color close to pink

>>715575138
Gaster intervention, unironically

>>715577152
They just LOCK IN.
https://youtu.be/B3Zr0W9NsuE

>>715577109
And the worst part would be it genuinely thinking all of this stuff is what friends do, because it thinks Noelle is its friend.

>>715576997
She's inattentive and Kris, after what happened, is too withdrawn to try and get what he wants out of life. He'd never try and get her attention

>>715577280
A PITY, IT WAS JUST REPEATING ALL IT KNEW...

Pic related reminds me, does anyone have examples of when the text gets super shaky like this?

>>715577462
Noelle noticing her watch on Kris' arm, Chapter 4 weird route scene and Ralsei breaking down at the end of Chapter 4.

>>715577462
ralsei's breakdown at the end of ch4 kinda does it

>>715575645
Kris is obviously a man but I would respect Toby confirming a real gender either way

>>715577275
What the fuck is this? What the hell is going on

>>715576997
I found that kinda strange too. It was something Kris genuinely liked, so I don't know why they never got him something.
>>715577170
There are cheaper options. And they don't strike me as particularly poor anyway. I think a parent would prioritize it if they could find a way.

>>715577634
I do like the Schizo theory that Kris is actually "The Girl" and the They/Them shit and masculine presentation is just a deranged ploy to derail the prophecy or something. Absolutely not the case, but would be funny.
In reality I think it's just that either player characters we control automatically become "ambiguous" or that Humans in Undertale/Deltarune are all just... naturally weird sexless ambiguous player inserts because their reality works on vidya logic and humans are "player characters" or something like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77jPtUeHdDI - Leaked Deltarune Yellow's equivalent to a freedom motif.

>>715577732
Some fangame where Frisk is a Touhou chick.

>>715578464
Boss Ningen

>>715578782
>2hu and Undertale
I can only imagine how utterly unhinged its fanbase must be

>>715578880
It looks like this one was made by Chinese people, not westoids.

>>715549318
loose clown

>>715578880
never play Undertale 2

>>715579156
bro no fucking way

>>715549318
Dess is haunting the narrative. FRIEND is haunting the metanarrative.

>>715549318
The best colors to make FRIENDs.

>>715545186 (OP)
>was about to make a FUCKING MADCATZ joke
>wait a minute

>>715579539
You finally get it.

>>715579539
I do wonder if the reason Kris is distancing himself from Noelle is actually just because he knows she spawned a fucked up cat demon and want's to attract it's attention as little as possible.

>>715556603
>Pink and yellow stagelights positioned directly behind Tenna's "eyes"
Screencap?

>>715557108
You mean 45 retard kun....
>window on left, empty toilet paper roll on right
Could actually be pretty interesting

>>715579156
I CAN DO ANYTHING
CAN
DO
ANYTHING

>>715577275
That's actually pretty impressive

>>715579916
Its another pair of the same sunglasses.

>>715579987
the fucking balloons

>>715579987
>Dangerous
>Grey goner face
Toby what are you cooking in there?

>>715579789
A comment replying to this screencap is where I found it

I think friend is just a silly fella (insideme)

>>715579987
>Pink and yellow balloons
>Eyeless grey alternate
Toby did you base your millions dollars game off a collage of a graphic clown

>>715580125
FRIEND is always watching

>>715579987
What is this from?

>>715580125
That's green.

>>715580208
It was a very strange fever dream he had while in hussies basement, please understando...

>>715580125
It was never Tenna, the smile is friend and then knight.

Because they're the same.

>>715567427
>all signs are pointing to the story literally just being OMORI 2
Why didn't he pivot?

>>715580284
It's a set of LINE stickers that have been around since before CH1.

>>715579689
It would be hilarious if Snowgrave route was literally just to have Noelle clean up her own mess and Exorcise FRIEND from the narrative, which would probably permit an actual good ending in a a normal route or something.

Is "pink and yellow" the "purple and green" of deltarune?

>>715545186 (OP)
ending man?

>>715580474
What are LINE stickers?

>>715580518
Thanks, FRIEND

>>715577109
>>715577280
>>715577454
>that's why it "modified" Dess into the Knight

>>715580528
Japanese WhatsApp

>>715580125
the knight is friend.

>>715579987
Has anyone voiced all the other lines in Jevil's voice?

>>715580520
There is only one ending, man

FRIEND itself just being the Knight as a whole would be narratively unsatisfying
FRIEND being the reason Dess turned into the Knight, and being her puppeteer as a parallel to us controlling Kris and a Masked Man similarity at the same time? Now we're talking

>>715545186 (OP)
The MadCatz controller is the one you give your friend

>>715580676
>Friend absorbed Dess
>that's why it's taking on Dess's characteristics

I swear you guys are going insane over colours. What, is this yogurt from the 2000s relevant?

>>715580890
>pink skin
>yellow belt

>>715580829
december IS the puppeteer anon, did you even play spamton's route or read any of his item descriptions? she pulls the strings and makes them ring.

spamton is literally a puppet/cat held up by guitar strings.
friend is a shadow puppet cat wearing an antlered helmet.
do the math

>>715580829
Also explains why the Knight took so fucking long to get there in chapter 3, if Dess is resisting it like Kris is resisting (Us). Though then questions of who's loyal to who start getting asked. Did FRIEND tell Kris it'd return Dess if Kris worked with it? Are Carol and Asgore some seperate side to things? Are they also being extorted by this fucked up cat demon? I dunno, but Kris seems committed all the same.

reminder that "Monster" and "Search" were pink and yellow on the Ice-E puzzle

>>715570768
Have to disagree on "we both have work to do" implying that ERAM is the Knight. There could always be more characters in the faction mess. Papyrus isn't Egg Man just because they both like eggs. ERAM isn't the Knight just because they both know Kris

>>715549318
Because it looks kino

>>715580583
>Chara was a diegetic game completionist
>Followed you "to the utmost" to "erase the world and move on to the next"
>FRIEND will be a diegetic game modder
>Rips apart and rearranges its "friends" out of maladjusted affection, its "love"

>>715571389
For one, Noelle has Snowgrave
For two, Kris has the Real Knife
For three, Ralsei has probably stupidly overpowered Fire spells

>>715571661
Kind of hilarious how twits have claimed that calling Kris is a guy is a ridiculous and insane and evil act of mischaracterization but acting like Kris is a turbo faggot that wears skirts and dresses even though he literally never does in game and is extremely nice isnt

>>715581148
>Kris has been described multiple times as a "Cheater"
>Noelle is a Secret Hunter/Creepy Pasta generator with ties to things like "unused" assets.
Things are gonna get meta and weird as this game goes on and I cannot wait.

>>715581038
occam's razor anon. kris is literally working with the knight in that specific time and location, so when a character says "we both have work to do", who is that character? the one factually known to be working with kris at that specific time and location, or is another third entity theory really necessary?

>>715571389
Oh, I already know how they'll deal with the Knight.
* Roaring Knight joined the party!
* Roaring Knight follows at a distance such that no one can tell she's associated!

Any good Undertale/Deltarune fangames besides Red and Yellow? Or that's it and the rest is just cringe crap?

>>715581304
gaster and his followers are literally out of bounds. we'll take kris beyond the borders of hometown and there'll be nothing there. just greyscale and darkness.

>>715581334
>YOU GOT THE SHELTER KEY
I know there was a LOT Of crazy shit in this release but seeing this blind had to take the cake? Especially after reenacting weird route to get here?

>>715571389
they don't. the knight kills kris in chapter 5.

>>715581168
It'd make perfect sense if Ralsei was meant to be the black mage of the party, and his pacifism thing is an attempt at rebelling against the Prophecy
All the prophecy images of Ralsei have flames surrounding him
Likewise the Second Hero was probably meant to be a healer, one better than Ralsei in fact because he's not naturally supposed to be one
And it just so happens that Noelle is a better healer by default and Susie became such in Chapter 4, both potential "girl" candidates completely accounted for
Ralsei is 100% gonna start using fire magic

So how is all this meta stuff going to work on console releases?

>>715581404
There have been a lot of characters that say "Nowhere? Oh yeah, you're on your way there." So yeah, I think we'll be heading to the fucking Gaster-Nowhere-Forgotten zone at some point.

>>715581404
>what would we could see
The amount of typos and grammatical errors in chapters 3 and 4 stood out to me and I keep seeing more

>>715581148
Chara even calls you out for your corrupted sentimentality if you do genocide a second time. Which shows that Toby was already toying with this idea back in the Undertale days.

>>715581539
We used the Ticket To Nowhere already

>>715581493
Depends on *how* meta it's actually gonna get. Worst case Toby can just put in a fake file explorer or something like the console versions of Doki Doki Literature Club did.

>>715581304
>Things are gonna get meta and weird as this game goes on and I cannot wait.
Personally I'm waiting for an actual creepypasta monster to show up

>>715581596
Yeah, but that was just a little section with Egg Guy, and technically... it wasn't nowhere, it was MANCOUNTRY. And in Chapter 4 Gerson says that we're still on our way to "Nowhere" I think we're going into the fucked up zone in actual normal gameplay at some point without the Egg Man to send us back.

>>715581734
>Suddenly, your body seizes up. What are you looking at?

>>715581353
I assume you mean the games Undertale Yellow and Undertale Red, and not the mod Undertale Red and Yellow. Wildfire has a pretty good combat demo out. Its not got much plot stuff so its basically just a self contained single fight fangame at the moment.

>>715545186 (OP)
Freedom.

>>715581734
Isn't that what FRIEND is?

>>715581421
>Oh hey it's a Dark World save point-
>"YOU GOT THE SHELTER KEY"
>What the fuck

I'd bet a million dollars that we'd be done with /v/threads by now if the janny hadn't chimped out

>>715581421
>"Oh, you found that, too!"
>"Perfect, just perfect..."
>"Thanks for all your hard work, Kris!"
>YOU WERE USED UP
Yeah honestly it really felt like I did something I shouldn't have done. Should've just kept playing Tenna's games man. Now I'm afraid something's gonna happen in the future cause I wanted to play spooky video games

>>715581404
Across the lake, maybe?

>>715581787
>Undertale Red and Yellow
oh that's a thing? Well yeah I was talking about UT Red and UT Yellow separated

>>715581334
Kris actively resisting you going down to the shelter screen stuck out to me the most.

>>715582002
>kill a few enemies in zelda vidyagaem
>hear the weird route jingle
This was easily one of the biggest pantsshitting moments playing it blind

>>715581421
It was extremely hype in the moment but finding out it was just a nondescript room inside the game was a bit disappointing. I was hoping we would actually be able to open the shelter with it

>>715581937
It felt different in your hand. And you knew what it was.

>>715581734
We already exist, anon.

>>715582134
Kris doesn't need a key, the shelter door simply opens for him

Who will win the Final Boss bowl?
https://strawpoll.com/Q0Zp7NDe6gM
You can select up to two people, since I'm assuming there will be a final boss for 'Normal' and one for 'Weird'.

>>715582220
It also doesn't even matter if (We) get the keys, since Kris won't let us tell them to anyone else or enter them in. We'd need to either gain another Vessel, or have someone else learn and put the numbers in.

>>715582331
ip logger

I will think Asriel's remains is in the bunker

>>715580829
it's hard to call something boring when you don't even know what it is yet.

>>715582381
>

What does "USED UP" even mean?
It sounds like it'd imply abandoning characters once there's no more use for them, like tossing Noelle and Kris aside to die once you've gotten what you need, but then you start up the next game and you're Kris again

>>715582331
>https://strawpoll.com/Q0Zp7NDe6gM
>no Angel

Deadass

>>715582535
The Angel is Noelle?

>>715582529
No idea, but we have an example of somebody "Unused" in the code, so it might not be so bad?

Personally I like poal more than strawpoll

Who will be the hardest (emotionally) for Noelle to kill on the weird route? Rudy, Susie, Dress, Kris, or you?

>>715582529
FRIEND/knight is taunting kris. if kris enters the bunker, he will lose his soul.

>>715582081
Its a mod that adds narration from Chara and Clover to your Undertale playthrough. Some people really like it, but it butchers both characters pretty severely.

>>715582529
I think it probably came from how frequently the term "unused" is used to describe games, and how it implies other assets are just "used" for a purpose regardless of your personal attachment to them

>>715582810
Definitely Dess
Not like Noelle will even have emotions anymore by that point

>>715582810
He is NOT surviving Chapter 5

>>715582810
Noelle is USED UP before Hometown gets genocided. (You) kill Susie & Ralsei.

>>715574580
Cyan.

d.ogg is absolutely gonna come up again
It would make no sense whatsoever for the song with Dess's initial and the Raise Up Your Bat motif to just be "the song that plays before Noelle kills berdly"

Susie or Noelle being the final boss on true pacifist would be shit because it'd 1000% be a retread of this guy.

>>715545186 (OP)
>MANtle
>ending MAN
>MANcountry
>MANhole
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

What if "USED UP" refers to the character's personality being completely wiped to become an obedient vessel rather than just being abandoned

>>715583025
>d.ogg is in Raise up your bat
Is there a video or something laying out the connection between the two?

>>715583025
consider why december.ogg would play right before the fight where noelle talks about still being able to hear the voice.

I know, I know, but we should've done that sooner or later
https://poal.me/3dv3e4

>>715582529
Tony likes using weird expressions like this. I'd equate it to how monsters "fall down" in Undertale.

>>715583193
it's the backing instrumental, very easy to hear if you play d.ogg at like 150%

>>715582810
Dess most likely. I don't think (you) will be an option.

>>715583109
Assuming that (We) aren't "The Angel" and are in fact a Demon, as implied by the Demon Heart line in Raise Your Bat, Gaster calling us in, and Kris "summoning a demon" I could see Noelle being some prophesized "Vessel" for the Angel like how Kris has been our Cage. And it being some inverted version of us, The Player. PvP, if you will, but weirder and more meta.

>>715583109
I haven't played fursona or whatever other RPG this is, qrd?

>>715582861
huh, sounds exactly like the kind of stuff I'm trying to avoid

>>715583531
Blue and Green are also Yellow and Pink inverted
I just thought that's interesting

>>715583405
>Assuming that (We) aren't "The Angel" and are in fact a Demon, as implied by the Demon Heart line in Raise Your Bat

there's more than one angel anon, the demon heart is the dark heart, AKA the DELTA RUNE.

>>715583531
What's the significance of green and purple?

>>715583640
Doctor WD Gaster

>>715583640
pink and yellow inverted

>>715574635
I can see the Knight and Eram being a pair of sorts but no way is Eram the Knight. That'd just be lame

>>715583640
You know what it is.

I believe this story may have a happy conclusion, for this is a story of hope and dreams.

>>715583662
He's black and white though.

Ramb better be fucking okay.

>>715583789
No, I really don't. Is this a homosuck thing?

>>715583886
newfag

>>715583886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzEemp1SLOM

>>715583886
>being THIS new

>>715583450
I think if you like DR you'd like P5R but in any case:
His fiancee was brutally assaulted and put into a coma. In his immense grief he thugged out a Persona outside of the spirit world (unprecedented feat in modern games) which allowed him to heal his fiancee, in exchange for her forgetting about him. After the team beats the final boss of the original release, he covertly steals the throne of that final boss so that he can allow his Persona to use his reality manipulation power on the whole world. He creates a world where nobody harms anybody else anymore and people aren't frustrated or dangerously ambitious anymore. His Persona forms are clear Christ/crucifix symbolism and there's an idea present that even if he can "save" all the rest of the world he'll never be able to save himself which is why he still has a Palace (the representation of a person's fucked up heart in the game). And he ends up stealing people's free will so he can play dolls with them as cope for losing his fiancee. The parallel to Noelle would be forcing her family alive or for Susie it would be the 'forever story' she describes to Gerson.

>>715583868
Doesn't one of the Darkners imply FRIEND made off with his statue?

>>715583763
how many antagonists does the game even need when people are already ignoring literally all of them. I swear friend or gaster will finally show up and people will go "who is this where is dess? I thought dess was the villain?"

>>715577072
He may still beg for the sweet release of death.

>>715574635
>>715574793

>Before the clock strikes midnight, the shadow will grow!
>O, the shadow will grow, serpentine!
>Even when the clock ran back, the shadow was growing!
>A patch of shadow, slithering on, slithering on, serpentine!

dorks

>>715554381
he must have a humiliation kink

>>715583814
It's going to have a happy ending because that's what we want and our ability to have infinite attempts across multiple save files ensures we can attain it so long as it is possible to do so. That is what Gaster is facilitating for us, and it's ultimately his way of influencing the world which he otherwise can't directly interact with.

>>715581337
underrated and I laughed

what if the reason toby is keeping almost everything about asriel a secret is because he'll refer to kris as little brother/ sister
surely toby's not cringe enough to make asriel call kris his they/thembling

The cardinal sin of making threads that are almost entirely discussions about a video game on the video game board

>>715583987
>the ending is FRIEND getting raped Piccolo

>>715584336
Nigga you know damn well if there was one person left in the whole world willing to call Kris they/them it'd be big bro

>>715584336
he'll probably just call kris by name like actual siblings do

If violence is the objectively wrong choice then why am I allowed to choose violence? Surely there must be more nuance than that.

>>715574861
no anon, king is asgore
the knight is rouxls kaard.

>>715561837
This design is so fucking awful that no one even draws friend like this. Everyone copes that it's not his 'main' form, and he'll shapeshift into a better design. I hope they're right because it's so shit for such an intriguing character. Hopefully he actually does look like a fucked up cat monster with a pointy tail like everyone draws him instead of a stupid cat octopus amalgamate with four penises.

>>715584092
tenna was bitching to ramb about the knight being late as if it was ramb's problem, it's entirely possible the knight brought ramb along with them back to the bunker.

>>715576997
Probably Toby self inserting to some extent

>>715584530
What

>>715579987
>>715579156

>>715584552
it's the shadow of the knight's hand anon, it can take any form it wants. it can even look like the knight.

>>715577152
Determination to get youtube money

>>715545186 (OP)
thats the controller of a [BIG SHOT]

>>715557108
>my dog and a pillow
my dog would probably fuck me up but I could take the pillow

>>715584698
Yeah this is what I was referring to when I was talking about fanbase cope. There's not even any good evidence for what you're saying, but I hope you're right and he doesn't just usually look like shit

>>715584518
It isn't. The messaging in Undertale was based on the idea that you canonically have the power to rewind and make infinite attempts at doing things, so it shouldn't matter how hard it is to pursue the morally best outcome because you'll get it eventually and you have no excuse not to. Deltarune doesn't work like this, insofar as the meta concept of saving/loading isn't part of the story. In fact, it very regularly throws encounters at you where you can't win by sparing the enemy.

>>715584530
If you're the same guy saying FRIEND is the knight what does this even mean
How is FRIEND a lesser dad to Kris

>>715584552
I've seen some that go for it. But also, I mean, we literally already have seen it take other forms. Though that was just in MANTLE.

>>715584646
did you miss all the dialogue about rouxls bitching about being forced by king to babysit lancer while having aspirations of being a second-in-command evil henchman?

that's knight's relationship with kris.

Deltarune is about ending the cycle of abuse

>Kris doesn't like digital keyboards because they don't feel enough like the real thing (plus real/fake stuff is a motif in the game)
>Toriel viewed Kris's interest in piano as an opportunity for them to get out of the house and be active in the community, like playing at church or with the Holidays
It's pretty easy to handwave the house not having a piano desu.
Also, not to lean too hard on this, but word of God in the ch1 livestream is that "despite what it looks like, your family DOES love you in this game" per Toby Fox. Everything he said in that livestream came true, including Jockington getting a beard, "workout ready body", and "Love Wins"

>>715584698
The idea of "speaking in hands" potentially referring to shadow puppetry is an interesting angle I hadn't considered before.

>>715584827
But fighting enemies gets you nothing special, while acting gets you the best ending at the end of each chapter.

>>715584775
Your dog wouldn't become a darkner, it'd just get a palette swap and join your party.

Kris will try his hardest not to give us the satisfaction of his actually speaking to us

the more obvious deltarune thread just got 404'd.
be advised.

>>715584937
I'm very curious to see if plants count as lightners or darkners next chapter.

>>715584870
Even the mantle game is just the head of the same design. Obviously he can morph his body to an extent as evident by the game, but when he's introduced with the design he was, Occam's razor says that's his main design. It doesn't HAVE to be, and I want to believe it's not and seemingly so does everyone else. We'll just have to see

>>715584879
>someone doesn't see the same schizotheory connections from plot beats of the game that you do
>"did you miss this part? did you not read? did you play the game? huh?"
This is why Toby mocked theoryfags with Mike.

>>715584961
>Player, fine, please, I'm fucking BEGGING you, HELP ME!
>Nigga I'm already trying my fucking ass off over here this boss hard as shit! You think I've been sitting this shit out??

>>715585049
faster

>>715579259
Undertale 2 Revenge of the Robots somehow has more witty writing then every serious Undertale fangame out there

>>715584990
Reminder that Gaster injecting a plant (something living that is neither human nor monster) with determination was arguably where absolutely everything went wrong in Undertale.

>>715585031
Well, if it IS actually a diegetic representation of "video game modders/modding" it'd make sense it can look however it damn well pleases.

>>715584867
some theories are shitpost theories and some theories are genuine theories. lesser dad knight is a shitpost built off of the queen universal mother theory, and I would laugh my ass off if it was true.

the part about king == asgore is absolutely 100% true though, queen even has a line about him being curled up in a dirty throne all day (his bed is literally the only furniture in his "house"). the puzzle is how much of king is asgore and how much of king is susie's dad.

>>715585164
Alphys was the one that created Flowey.

>>715584981
imagine wasting your day harassing people who want to talk about VIDEO GAMES while ignoring the crap you're actually supposed to be deleting

Dess is human

>>715585164
I think where it really all went wrong is when Mr. Wing Dingerson took a slip into the "erase from every timeline and universe forever retroactively so hard just mentioning your name makes things break" machine and left Alphys as the royal scientist. If Gaster stuck around he probably could have just clipped everybody out of the barrier easy peasy.

>>715585227
Gaster is the one who recovered the original golden flower and wrote down that he experimented with giving it determination. While nothing came of this, Alphys replicating his experiments is what led to Flowey.

>>715585263
/v/ isn't for video games it's for identity politics
That's why they leave the threads up whenever they start retarded arguments about k***'* g*****

alright, what's the shittiest, most unsupported theory that you see get posted multiple times in these threads

That "Susie's idea" is being riffed on earnestly tells me people really, really like this game

>>715557108
>sock
>dumbbell
I'm gonna go with the goofy sock guy. A gym themed Dark World would be fun too though

>>715585332
Where are you getting this from?

>>715585312
>Noelle likely exist in Undertale
>She has fucked up glitch hunt powers
I wonder... could she do it?

>>715585359
"Dess Knight is a red herring," the classic we've come to expect

>uses swords
>wears ribbons
>hope is crossed (out) on her heart
>LOVE/ love has found its way to her
>is the only one able to wear the princess ribbon's delicate gloves, meaning kris has dainty girl hands
>role models growing up were older brother and his punk tomboy girlfriend
>uses fruity shampoo instead of the boy's pizza shampoo
has anyone done a direct comparison to kris' battle sprite and the second hero prophecy panel? they look pretty close in my mind but i'm not 100% if they're the same

>>715585359
The soul being its own character.

>>715585359
>The player is the angel because I saw my reflection in my glossy screen in my brightly lit room at that one part of the prophecy

>>715585359
Kris Third Entity. Even the maximum blueballing theory people were propagating has more validity than it.

>>715585359
I think people give Spamton too much credit for what he foreshadows. People who think the "defense is towering" line was referencing the future titan fight are looking way too deep into things.

>>715585498
More likely ralsei and susie have fat fuck monster hands.

>>715585359
Human Dess
It's not just unsupported, it's literally impossible unless you presume that she's only a human in DR, which invalidates the "evidence" the theory spawned from in the first place

>>715551509
The man hole in question? Asriel's stretched out anus.

>>715581148
I'm 90,% convinced the overall moral of deltarune is going to be something akin to "Hey idiots stop spending all your time making AUs and fangames and mods and ripoffs, try and make some original shit and artistically contribute to the world"

>>715585359
Dess being the knight, way too obvious

>>715585529
Third Entity makes sense in Undertale. But it just doesn't in Deltarune.
Unless FRIEND is gonna crawl inside us at some point like a parasite and taint attempts at trying to reach good ending.

>>715585359
Knight is Alphys.

>>715585443
Undertale. You didn't think Alphys wrote ALL of those journal entries, did you?

>>715585359
Kris being the girl because of the princess ribbon glove bullshit.
I can't even tell if it's bait at this point.

>>715585549
I don't hate that theory, though I haven't given it much thought. Care to elaborate on your thoughts?

>>715584791
the knight you fight in chapter 3 is FRIEND, that's a pretty good example of creative shapeshifting.

>>715585549
I think Spamton's maximum defense mode is intentionally similar to the titan, ans are a lot of his attacks.

>>715581404
What's up with that Mother 1 screenshot?
Good image but trash the titan gaster bit

>>715585564
susie i agree and ralsei's hands are probably bulky due to fur, but why can't noelle's hands fit? she doesn't seem like the type to have big monster paws

>>715585620
>Undertale
No shit Sherlock, which Journal? What text?

>>715585359
Every knight theory that isn't a Holiday.
Every vessel theory outside of it just being with Gaster somewhere.
Every Chara Deltarune theory.
Every Papyrus theory outside of him MAYBE being the same Papyrus that ends up in Undertale like Sans
Every final prophecy theory that doesn't account for the "And obviously YOU wouldn't let it happen." line (nearly all of them)

I could probably think of more. There really is no shortage of shit fanfiction theories.

>>715585607
>actually taking this from Gerson
Holy retard

Guys Spamton's Defense Mode is a joke about Mettaton NEO dying instantly in Undertale. Spamton says "NEO is known for its defense" and the joke is that it absolutely is not.

>>715585359
That Dess is "stuck in the code"

>>715585498
>uses fruity shampoo instead of the boy's pizza shampoo
I was under the impression that using unbranded green apple shampoo was something every highschool age guy did. At least all the ones who didn't play a sport.

>>715585759
? What's wrong with that interpretation?

>>715585856
Out of all the theories you could have picked. What is your interpretation of the code dialogue?

>>715585498
>>uses fruity shampoo instead of the boy's pizza shampoo
Pizza smelling shit is for loser nerds

>>715585741
She's a big girl compared to Kris.

>>715585620
she did, you're retarded if you think gaster wrote all the entry journals

>>715585747
Entries 7 and 8
>What about something that's neither human nor monster?
>What happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?
He decides to use a flower to attempt to hold monster SOULs because monster bodies turn to dust immediately when they die, and he specifically says he's going to use the very first golden flower that appeared in the royal garden.

>>715585498
I'm not sure where I stand on it yet except that prophecies are almost always subversive in not what you expect them to be on the face. A lot of people just think
>Love finds its way to the girl
Means uwu suselle <333 or heart goes to Susie.
Except LOVE is also Level of Violence https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Stats#LOVE
Friend clued me onto that and he thinks it'll be Noelle on the snowgrave route

I think Susie says hope crossed on her heart at some point but I am not sure if that was her saying it after the prophecy (psyching her up) or beforehand (Confirming it). But also old turtle mcgee is big on disobeying fate.

Still I just am pretty certain love finds its way is not Ship bullshit but is either level of violence to noelle as my friend said or (You) the heart finds your way to Dess, and she's the 2nd hero.

>>715585769
The joke is that you think its absolutely not, but then it actually is super tough this time. Its also foreshadowing for the Titan since it does the exact same "make itself immortal by increasing defense" move that Spamton does at the end of ch 2 weird route.

>>715585721
>What's up with that Mother 1 screenshot?
breadcrumb glitch, basically just wrongwarping to an out-of-bounds area which for some reason uses a grayscale palette

>>715581493
It won't work. Undertale has an obscene amount of cool shit you can only see in the files and code that got updated over time, like the demon texts. He knows that even PC players will just look up the file shit on youtube and tcrf for the most part

>>715585941
That's not what I said at all.

WHAT THE FUCK IS HIS ISSUE?

>>715585930
That it's not someone "in the code" at all, it's just intentionally unused dialogue. You find it in the code because that's where ALL dialogue is stored.
If it's Dess it can't be concurrent with the game because Chapter 1's text implies recently disappearing, someone who's been in there for years wouldn't be going "Hello...? Where am I...?"
Much more likely it takes place in the past.

>>715585968
And why do you think that's Gaster?

>>715586038
Who do we know with odd ties and reactions to "unused" parts of the game...
I wonder...

>>715586038
But we see little Noelle break down crying at the spelling bee over 'December'. And what do you mean it's 'just' intentionally unused dialogue? Are you saying that you don't think any character is saying it?

>>715586030
He's the
Original Starwalker

>>715583159
...What the fuck is "Ending Man"?

>>715585863
NTA but that being the moral would be stupid in the first place, and besides that, Toby would never shoot down fan content like that. Whether he enjoys the abundance of AUs or not, he obviously doesn't mind them existing, especially considering how he went out of his way to help UY with their copyright issues.
I also personally think fancontent does contribute artistically to the world, but that's another subject entirely.

>>715586179
>But we see little Noelle break down crying at the spelling bee over 'December'.
I'm literally saying that Dess disappearing years ago is WHY the dialogue can't be concurrent with Chapter 1.
>Are you saying that you don't think any character is saying it?
?????
I'm saying it's not someone "lost in the code of the vidya gam" like some meta bullshit, it's someone lost in a Dark World.
The bunker Dark World that Dess disappeared into years ago.

>>715585971
that's why i differentiate LOVE and love
LOVE is obviously related to (you), and love is clearly supposed to be susie, romantically or platonically
either way, both of which are with kris no matter the route
'hope crossed on her heart' comes from the second hero prophecy panel, and gerson says that susie has the white pen of hope (which she refutes saying that she has a hairbrush and kris has the pen)

>>715585980
"Boss increases defense for a moment and heals" is in every JRPG ever

So do all monsters bleed? or is it just susie?

>>715586056
Because most of the early entries are written in a completely different style from the ones that are obviously Alphys and talk about things from long before her time, when he was still the royal scientist.

>>715585659
I think Spamton does foreshadow some things, in fact I really like the idea that the moment where Spamton gets all scared is because Kris is trying to stop him from giving away information to the player. But like I said, some people are looking into things way too much and thinking that literally everything that comes out of his mouth is some form of foreshadowing.
>>715585681
I would say it's mostly coincidental. The only real connection with attacks is that one attack where they shoot things from their mouths from the right side of the screen, but even those are different enough that I would consider it coincidental. And being saved by another character at the end of the fight is just a trope. And the context for each fight makes them seem very disconnected imo.

Will she go full psycho? or Yandere?

>>715585863
Gerson's life's work is fanfiction of the prophecy and Dragon Blazer's is fanfiction of his life's work, and then he encourages Susie to rewrite his letter in his own words, and later tells them to rewrite fate with her white pen. That's all very in favor of fan content.

>>715586272
The unused dialogue says it feels like it's been years. It isn't taking place when they first entered.

Whats the melty gonna be like when dess is human

>>715585863
why would toby's literal dream game he based on a fever dream from 2011 be about shitting on undertale fans when undertale didn't exist

>>715586310
But doing it in the same game, and making itself literally unbeatable until a third party comes in and trivializes it is too similar of a connection to ignore.

>>715586179
>But we see little Noelle break down crying at the spelling bee over 'December'.
Isn't it incredibly strange/cruel that this word came up in a spelling bee in a small town where Dess's disappearance should have been well known?

>>715585359
Holiday knight, dess included. There's more evidence against it than for it but people just can't look bast the helmet

This cutscene is so bizarre

>>715586462
>The unused dialogue says it feels like it's been years
Not in the first chapter.
The first chapter was when they first entered, the future chapters are some time later, but they all ultimately take place before Chapter 1 because the Knight is active in Chapter 1.

>>715586519
>There's more evidence against it than for
post it then if you're so great

>>715586327
until we're told otherwise, i think it's same to assume most monsters bleed
the ones who can't are likely unable to do so because they're energy based (like the flame head in the diner, apparently the bunny in the apartment)

>>715586537
Tenna has never seen that thing in his life

>>715586273
Yeah friend said it was in caps but when I watched it I didn't see that. I neglected to say my big thunk was 'love finds its way to the girl' and if it's the heart (you) it could be noelle or susie, but it could also be dess given
>Findher.mp3
As to the hope bit I just remember seeing her say that line outright, "Hope crossed on my heart" or something to that (hope and cross and heart). I just can't remember if it was pre prophecy (helping her be the 2nd hero) or after (meaning she's trying to make herself into it).

It's what I think is neat with writing a prophecy right - you can have multiple correct interpretations. With your mentioning of the pen while that'll happen in any route I still just have this feeling of "three heroes being those three is way too straightforward".

I don't necessarily buy the "happened before and there was a prior group of heroes" either, I just found that findher, love-finds-its-way-to-the-girl to be interesting. At the same time swapping in a new character midway through and making them central feels like a big gamble.

>>715586015
Demon texts?

>>715586327
In ch4 Susie makes a comment about looking for blood and Noelle, flustered, asks where Susie will get it with the implication being Noelle has blood. Also, in ch2 Susie tells Kris Noelle's bed probably has ticks. This is a joke about white tail deer being tick carriers, but ticks are a blood sucking arachnid. And the ICE E Pizza guy says his blood is boiling at the hospital.
Most monsters PROBABLY have blood in Deltarune. The rabbit's question "does it hurt to be made out of blood" can be interpreted to mean that he was referring to how Monsters still turn into dust when they die so they are ontologically "made of" dust, but humans just remain flesh when they die.

>>715586348
Spamton also spawns pipis and clones of himself, while the Titan makes Spawn. And they both have wings.

odds we actually get to play as Noelle in ch5?

>>715584552
I have a theory that Toby specifically revealed Friend's body in an anticlimactic way because he wants feedback on whether the design is good to revealing it nonchalantly the way he did is pretty noncommittal

>>715586462
She says she can't tell if it has been hours or years. In a meta context, this is because the amount of time she has been lost in the code is real world time; literally hours (since Toby wrote it) or years (since we discovered it).

>>715586537
...Was this a Jerma reference? Am I insane?

>>715586549
If you're claiming the chapter one dialogue was long ago, and the newer ones are years later, then your theory doesn't hold up because that makes the unused dialogue into a log over years of being trapped.

>>715586559
Why would bunnies be different from other monsters?
>>715586327
Jury's still out on that one. I lean towards Susie being a special snowflake.

>>715585756
>Every final prophecy theory that doesn't account for the "And obviously YOU wouldn't let it happen." line (nearly all of them)
What are your thoughts on "the girl must shatter the cage" or something to that extent? I feel it works for the line you mentioned because a) Ralsei would want to take the blow for Kris instead, and b) Ralsei's whole deal since chapter 1 was getting Susie to be less violent and more pacifist.

>>715586578
not him, but iirc there used be a message hidden in the game's text data or something that basically just warned dataminers not to spoil shit for people. after a while, the message got updated to something along the lines of
>You have made your intentions clear.
>Understood.
>I, your humble servant, shall follow you to my utmost.

>>715586358
I need more unhinged Noelles

>>715586691
no idea, but since he asks kris if it hurts to be made of blood i assumed he doesn't have any

>>715586341
Any proof of this? They seemed like the same style to me.

>>715584698
>the Knight we see isn't even the real Knight and is a red herring
KINO

>>715586745
they are great

>>715586685
>that makes the unused dialogue into a log over years of being trapped.
That's what I think it is, yes.

>>715586358
God I hope so. I want to know how far this doe will let us go before she decides that it's not fine.

>>715586691
>>715586584

>>715586584
Another question about that. Do you think Toby made it ambiguous on purpose?
Is there going to be a point where us knowing or not knowing about monsters bleeding will be used for a shocking turn of events?
I still think Susie's special for bleeding, and that'll come into play later, perhaps when we get to know her past more.

>>715586767
Here's a protracted youtube essay which you are free to dismiss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VKAbU3fGM

[My favorite year] [1997] WILL BE RELEVANT IN [The not-too-distant future]

>>715583640
your best friend?

I get the feeling that I'm missing so much just by only playing the game

>>715586754
>>715586584
My assumption is that the rabbit thought Kris was a walking blood bag. Like you poke him with a needle and he pops with blood gushing everywhere. Maybe the rabbit was watching too many shonen animes.

>>715586692
I think that's one of the better guesses just because it fits the criteria fine unlike almost all the others. If it were about Susie hurting Kris, then it would make sense for Susie to emphasize that Ralsei wouldn't let it happen. I'm a sever the connection between light and dark world's believer myself, but that one is at least not immediately disproven so it gets a solid rating from me

>>715586715
Ok, now this I can believe is actually FRIEND rather than just Chara or Flowey being misidentified as FRIEND.

>>715586853
1998 is when Toriel and Asgore won the nose-nuzzle championship.

>>715586584
I believe monsters have blood but I don't think the tick joke means anything, it's just a joke about the real species
Monsters blush and mention their "hearts beating" in Undertale and that inherently requires blood and I don't see anyone using that as blood proof

>>715586965
>Does it hurt to be made of blood?

>>715586965
its pumping magic

>>715586793
Yes, and your theory doesn't hold up. If you believe that the Knight is Dess, which you implied, and you also believe that couldn't currently being writing the text, which you also implied, then it doesn't matter since it's just a log of events that happened in the past according to you. Meaning your theory makes no sense and doesn't hold up to scrutiny

>>715586928
>I'm a sever the connection between light and dark world's believer myself
Funny enough that's one I don't think follows the criteria, because Ralsei at the beginning and end of chapter 3 was still on his "darkners aren't real, we'll fade away with time, it's our purpose" so he'd be fine with the dark worlds being severed if it meant his friends were safe. The broken prophecy has to be something that would specifically materially harm the lightners in order for it to be something Ralsei would be invested in stopping.

Fakeout Knight Theory.

>>715586924
I don't see why Toby would include that line or why bunny kid would think humans are special in that regard if everybody has blood. Sure humans are weird and he's ignorant, but he'd still need a reason to come up with that conclusion besides just ignorance. And toby would still need a narrative reason to include a line specifically about blood when he knows its a loaded concept in this series

>>715586834
Toby absolutely made it ambiguous on purpose for the sake of fanning speculation. This goes all the way back to Sans's death in Undertale in 2015. He appears to bleed when he dies, and there is a long standing debate about whether that graphic is actually blood and it's because he is "the man who came from the other world" per the River Person, or if it is the ketchup Sans drinks at Grillby's, and that the visual was just used to be striking and distinctive.
That ambiguity itself was probably intentional since Sans's theme is also called "It's raining somewhere else".
I wouldn't say it's for a shocking turn of events so much as continuing to fan speculation about the connection between UT and DR, and to allow a bleeding character to be powerful imagery when it finally happens in DR. Which has since been done successfully. The reveal of Susie's hand bleeding made whatever she read in the final prophecy feel even more weighty and serious, and Ralsei's white fur stained with her blood is one of the most striking pieces of imagery in the game.

>>715585286
Forerunners are too

>>715587050
How does that make my theory make no sense?? What?
Log of events = happens before the game = happens before Dess becomes the Knight = Dess wasn't saying it while the game took place because it all happened already, and therefore isn't currently lost in the dark.
Are you implying they can't be logs of the past because it gets updated with each chapter?

>>715586965
We see Sans and Susie explicitly have blood. Are they the only ones confirmed to have blood?

>>715587178
i mean technically it's the other way around

>>715586585
Sure, but those are pretty weak connections especially because I think they work just fine when disconnected from each other. Spamton's attacks and clones fit with him being the personification of a spam email and the wings work with his desire for freedom. I think the titan has more room to work with since there is still a lot we don't know about them, but the titan spawn existing in darkness makes sense with what we know about the rules of darkness and its angel wings most likely have a more direct connection with the angel considering that they are literally angel wings. Spamtons wings don't really feel like they have that connection to me.

>>715587210
Humans are forerunners? Forerunners are human? It's the same thing in the end

>>715586825
My question still stands, why is bunny kid specifically blood free if all the other monsters aren't? How do monsters still turn to dust if that's dependent on their biology containing no water?

>>715587130
Given the player is a character, the narrative reason is to fuck with the player's expectations so blood can be used for maximum narrative impact, like the prophecy shatter, Ralsei smiling, and arguably the thorn ring re-equip depending on your interpretation of that.

>>715586519
QRD on the evidence?

>>715586851
Can you really not explain this shit yourself?

>>715586558
>>715587279
It's because I only watch deltarune playthroughs for the theories and mystery boxes and knowing the knight's identity before chapter 7 would be boring so it has to be a huge shocking twist no one saw coming or it's a bad mystery

>>715587147
No, but you see, when I chop up megalovania into small noise bytes, it sounds like a character!!1!
Kinda reaching there, no?
If we had heard Dess speak through flashbacks or something before, then maybe, but just pulling out of your ass like makes it seem really schizo.

>>715585498
>is the only one able to wear the princess ribbon's delicate gloves, meaning kris has dainty girl hands
It's a joke about the hands of piano players

>>715585618
I believe Queen was lied to and the person making the fountains in the light world is not the Knight, and that Alphys would fit the criteria for who it could be the easiest. But if she is, she's still at most a patsy for the real ringleader.

>>715587364
Why do you think the identity of the knight is supposed to be some kind of shocking twist?

>>715587262
I don't think bunny kid is blood free. He was just told by his mom that monsters are made of dust and humans are made of blood. For all we know this is a poetic saying in their world that the rabbit misunderstood.
He also wonders why Kris isn't scared of Susie eating Kris. He's a dumb kid.
Bunny kid is far and away the least reliable source of information in the entire game, he's a little kid who thinks humans are "made out of blood" for christs sake, and people use his question as the Hoover Dam of evidence against monsters having blood.

>>715587424
Because it HAS TO BE DUDE it's not cool enough unless the big reveal is that the main antagonist is Fuckhead Who Paid Too Much For A Spider Donut with no buildup or foreshadowing because hints are bad and can only be red herrings

>>715585498
>>715587379
Mind you, Noelle doesn't actually say she can't wear them, she just says Kris should wear it.
She does the same with the shadow mantle, claiming it's for someone taller.

>>715585618
alphys knight had a decent amount going for it, she was the only one who could be in the ch1 and 2 fountain locations without sticking out
ch3 torpedoed it with the physical appearance of the knight, but curiously she's at the fountain location in ch4 again

>>715587250
I think Spamton, being the peddler of cheap knockoffs he is (see all the items in his shop and how he stole swatch's suit), was trying to turn himself into a bargain bin Titan. Of course it didn't work since that's not how Titans are made, but he's insane and desperate, so he'll try anything.

The irrefutable proof monsters bleed is that monsters with teeth brush their teeth so they're capable of getting gingivitis so they're capable of bleeding from their gums
Checkmate

>>715586000
>man is going to be in the wheat fields in Chapter 5
>bread is made from wheat
HOLY SHIT

>>715587278
So what's Toby's angle here? How is he fucking with us? What's the trick? What does he gain from the trick? How does it serve the narrative?

curse you scott cawthon for making dumbass theories bleed over to other indie games

monsters might not bleed but do we know if they reproduce like humans do?

>>715587483
>He was just told by his mom that monsters are made of dust and humans are made of blood
Why would she say it?
>For all we know this is a poetic saying in their world that the rabbit misunderstood.
And why would that saying exist?

At the end of the day Toby still included it in the game, and there's no way he wouldn't know exactly how everyone would read it. So if he didn't want it being read that way he wouldn't have included it.

>>715587602
What if their gums just slowly dissolve if they don't brush?

>>715587743
yes, specially purple dinosaurs

>>715587765
Toby has plainly stated that his goal with the light world in chapter 1 was to specifically feel as close to Undertale as possible despite the worlds and mechanics actually being different.

>>715587602
they also shit and piss

If you disagree with me I'll rape you
Huh? Oh nothing to say huh? HUH!?!

>>715587743
No, Carol just goes from home to home with a pail.

Yep, that's right, the mystery was that Dess was just dead and nothing special happened to her.
Kris never talked to anyone on the phone, that was just the SOUL hallucinating. Carol coming home actually happened because Gaster.
The Knight is actually Ant Sized Froggit piloting the Knight suit like a mecha. (and he did it because Baster) (Gaster's secret brother Webdings Baster who's been here all along and was the mystery man)

>>715587645
>maximum narrative impact, like the prophecy shatter, Ralsei smiling, and arguably the thorn ring re-equip depending on your interpretation of that
The fact that no monster had been seen bleeding before and most people still had the Undertale assumptions means that Susie's shatter punch and the blood smear on Ralsei's face had the highest emotional impact possible.

>>715587843
That's evidence in favor of monsters not bleeding, because monsters don't bleed in Undertale.

>>715587887
I think you're on to something anon..

>>715587887
Bravo Tott Foxthon.

>>715583273
Somehow the results were completely predictable.

Thoughts on this now that we have Ch3 and 4 as context? Don't tell me you don't see it

>>715588048
lmao berdley

>>715587969
I still don't see why that's any more evidence for all monsters bleeding than it is that Susie is special. It works either way, and the rest of the monsters being unable to bleed doesn't diminish it in any way.

>>715587971
No it's a subversion, because monster and human physiology isn't the same in Deltarune. He wants you to think monsters are just made of magic and don't have blood etc. but the differences are readily apparent in how they eat normal food and have bathrooms. All of this is to set up the ultimate rule bend subversion when YOU become Susie's soul.

>>715588109
Susie being special raises far more plotholes than one rabbit kid being dumb.

>>715588048
i'm surprised kris x ralsei is so low, i thought this board was supposed to be gay for the goat.

>>715587971
You should probably read the entire sentence instead of just the part that works in your favor.

I NEED A
FLUFFY GOAT BOYFRIEND
SO FUCKING BAD
I CAN'T FUARKING TAKE IT ANYMORE

>>715588167
It seems to tie into the plot perfectly to me. She's already special in a number of conspicuously lore breaking ways, which makes it really seem like she really isn't like the other monsters. In which case her bleeding just adds to that.

>>715588173
I am, but (You) x Ralsei isn't an option.

Chapter 0 will be the big reveal of what happened to Dess, but actually, it's the reveal of what happened to someone completely different that you're baited into THINKING is Dess! You can tell because Dess disappeared in 1997 and there's a sign that says it's 1996 instead.

>>715588085
My thoughts is this is just pareidolia.

>>715588173
Gotes are /utg/ specialty, but Kralsei seems to be sinking everywhere outside of porn.

>>715588149
Undertale monsters can eat normal food and shit, they just don't because there's no way to get normal food in the underground on account of there being no sunlight. Why would (you) becoming Susie's soul be incompatible with monsters not being able to bleed. First of all even monsters in UT can absorb and be controlled by human souls, second of all Susie bleeds either way.

>>715588214
whats the appeal?

>>715587169
There's going to be a "Dark River Person" in Chapter 6 that let's you revisit previous Dark Worlds

>>715588352
>Ralsei x Susie doesn't even make the list
>Toriel x Dess but not Asriel x Dess or even Kris x Dess
???

It's been fun. See you all next time

>>715588392
12 inch gote dick and accompanying nuts

why did she do it?

>>715588180
I did and it still doesn't go against what I said. The mechanics in the light world are the same as Undertale's as far as we can see. The only things different are the lack of any magic food, bullets or spells. We do know monsters still dust when they die because of Gerson, which means they aren't made mostly of water. So even if monsters can't use magic, they're still made of it.

>>715588453
Toriel x Dess was a typo. No one would admit Kriss x Dess on Tumblr anyway, and Ralsei x Susie seems to be /v/ thing for the most part.

>>715588453
tumblr moment

>>715588048
>Anything involving Darkners
Gerson yadda yadda don't care, Miss Mizzle is gonna be Jackenstein's real partner, not Tasque Manager, she's also already taken by that Swatch shopkeeper
Mizzles are omniphiles though, keep them out of everyone's reach because everyone's gonna get some water

>>715588632
When Mizzles say "water you doing?" they actually mean
>Water, you doing?
As in "are you doing the water"
They want you to do them.

>>715588632
>Tasque Manager, she's also already taken by that Swatch shopkeeper
Finally, someone gets it

>>715588246
In order for Susie to bleed when no other monster does, you need all of the following to be true:
a) Susie spent her entire life before Hometown living among humans
b) At no point are these humans educated in proper monster biology despite living on the same planet as monsters and the world's media being interconnected between humans and monsters
c) Despite watching a bunch of TV shows and movies, Susie never watches one that mentions monsters don't bleed even though that would be an obvious fact to bring up as a plot point in said shows
d) Despite being in Hometown for around two or three months now, at no point does any monster, including whoever she's staying with, realize she can bleed and mentions that shouldn't be possible, even though Susie casually references blood
e) Despite being a teenage girl who can bleed, Susie doesn't menstruate (related to point d)
f) All of the casual references to blood by monsters in Hometown are influenced by contact and cross-cultural media with humans even though none of them bleed
It's possible that one, even some, of the above could be true at the same time, but all of them needing to be true together compounds the unlikeliness of it being true.

Meanwhile, "Deltarune monsters do bleed" only needs one thing to be true: the dumb idiot kid is a dumb idiot kid.

>>715588048
all Mew Mew asks of you is to say hi to your dad, it can't be THAT deep

>>715588680
>>715588632
Sorry, every Mizzle belongs to Ralsei. Even the Miss one.

>>715588085
Nod to Kris maybe enjoying things to some extent
That, or it's just positioned like this to creep the player out

The Krusie self-inserter fears the Ralsusie plot scholar.

I miss the Alvin Knight theory
It was such a god tier red herring it had to have been intentional

>>715588732
Ralsei's face must get wet as fuck after he nuzzles them

>>715586558
>>715587279
This is all the shit off the top of my head:

The already present december-themed stuff that ties her to the phone calls and overall manipulation
The hyper-aggressive and frequently negative/malicious foreshadowing of cats, including friend.
The hyper-aggressive usage of the pink/gold motif that is going to be front and center in chapter 5 (self-explanatory)
The knight confirmed to be wearing a helmet, heavily devaluing the antlers as an identity marker
The entirety of the knight's body shape and size being completely and utterly out of whack to the rest of the holiday family.
The chapter 3 ball fortune about "that chair is going to kick your ass" that necessarily is about chapter 3 alongside all the other fortunes, with the only ambiguous fights being knight and eram.
The eram fight that was blatantly friend via the vending machine smile + oddcontroller, in which eram itself literally spawns friends as an attack, says and I quote "enough of that, we both have work to do", in the chapter where kris and the knight are explicitely working together on an elaborate scheme.
The chapter 3 menu smile essentially being a rendition of the 8-bit friend smile as well as matching the more realistic sketchy smiles that show up throughout the chapter
The "one-eyed" theme constantly on display in the knight's design couple with the chapter 4 riddle "what do you call a one-eyed MAN?"
Friend's nature of actively bringing up awful traumatic shit in the "real" game thematically carrying over to the knight fight where it continues to bring up awful traumatic shit.

>>715588795
It's funny how only now we noticed that Ralsei never pointed at Knight as our antagonist.

>>715588795
Anyone who believed it was silly.
We all know it's Simon.

>>715588791
Honestly this is the better ship, if only because of the way Susie acts with him, it's all good banter and she is just getting him out of his shell. It's cute

>>715588696
>Despite being in Hometown for around two or three months now, at no point does any monster, including whoever she's staying with, realize she can bleed and mentions that shouldn't be possible, even though Susie casually references blood
This implies that she has anyone to stay with and that they don't already know and choose to keep it to themselves.

If Susie exists in the plot for meta reasons or she's half human the rest of those can be thrown out too.

>>715588860
>can't swap personalities, one shared braincell

>>715588048
Earlier polls were like 30-30 regarding Noelle/Susie/Kris

>>715586000
That glitch also requires reindeer station in the us version. Noelle has a train track in her basement

>>715588937
She at the very least goes to school and actively antagonizes the rest of the class. You think she hasn't told MK and Snowy she'll make them bleed at least once?

So you really do have to play the whole MOTHER series to understand Toby, huh

>>715589006
You think they'd have the guts to correct her if she did?

>>715589094
Yes.
Once, before one of them gets a kick to the head. But yes. Once.

>thread ended up undetected even after the janny woke up and blasted the other more obvious thread
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