Would you be willing to stay with her, after all is said and done? After everything she did, would you help her change and rebuild her life?
Would you [SAVE] her?

>>717132354 (OP)

Hot take: I do not hate ceroba and the ending

>>717132476
Hot question: Do you hate Chujin?

I can make her worse.

>>717132354 (OP)
No, mainly because I just don't like her that way. Not that I don't like women or foxes, or that I hate her, I'm just not romantically interested in Ceroba.

On a genuine note, I do really think she didn't do too much wrong. I think the injection thing was stupid, but it also feels out of character that it happened. Like, it clashes with pretty much everything we're shown of her up until that point.
Like, you're telling me that this woman who is so dedicated to her family, that she's willing to try and take on her dead lover's science project that got him killed even though it seems nearly impossible to complete, this woman who would go so far as to try and kill an unrelated, innocent child for the sake of completing this project because she cares so much about protecting her family, would just nonchalantly inject her own daughter with the unfinished serum? That doesn't just feel stupid in-universe, that feels out of character from an actual writing standpoint. If you take that out of her plotline and make it so that Kanako injected herself behind Ceroba's back or something, the whole story works way better. I know that's not an excuse in-universe, but still, I think just about everyone agrees that it feels really jarring compared to the rest of her character.

>>717132538
All you have to do is be the bad idea fairy and give her horrible suggestions. She's so stupid that she'll do them without asking questions.

id smooch a kanakeister, if thats what you're asking

https://files.catbox.moe/31umtr.png
i bring the zartrot

>somehow ive seen infinitely more walls of text about ceroba, her motivations, and the general morality of the pacifist ending more than ive seen UT discussed critically
yep he won.

I would save Kanako with my fix everything asspull machine but then I would run away because I'm not going to be a stepdad.

>>717133203
With Kanako, you can make her a mother and be a real dad instead.

>>717133007
sig sama

Confession: I began to enjoy the injection scene purely for how wild it is. You don't get that sort of stuff in mainstream media.

Of course I don't think it was a good direction for the story, but I feel removing it completely would take away a chunk of what UTY is.

My suggestion is to have Kanako get very ill for some reason, and Ceroba decides to inject her as a desperate measure.

>>717133352
What if Kanako became sick due to her soul being too young and weak to exist without her father's support?

>>717132846
Also, ignoring dumb writing choices out-of-universe, I still don't feel like she's that bad in-universe either. Like, she's no HandPlates Gaster, she was apparently a really good and loving parent to Kanako, she just wasn't knowledgeable or experienced with the necessary fields to finish Chujin's project, and she was under the pressure of finishing the serum being Chujin's dying wish, along with him saying that it was monsterkind's last hope. She still should've hesitated more before injecting Kanako (or just said no but we already went over that), but it's not like she did it maliciously.
Like another anon in a thread a while ago said, Deltarune showed us that Toriel's problems are her own and that she's a mess in any universe, but if you take the blue powerade out of Ceroba's backstory, you'd have to pull some pretty contrived shit to have in a similar situation in a DRY take to the one she's in in UTY.
She made a dumb choice, but the actual circumstances in which that choice was made were pretty extraordinary, I think a lot of people would crack in some way under that kind of stress, even if not in the exact way Ceroba did.
She's a good, loving mother, who just happened to be given an impossible task, and she didn't know how to proceed with it.
I think, genuinely, that if I were the human whose soul she was trying to take to finish this project, I think I'd forgive her. I might even want to take a look at Chujin's notes, see if anything good can come out of them.
Maybe also try my hand at saving Kanako, but we've been over that extensively already, haven't we?

Why does everyone want to ship themselves with her despite all that she's done?

>>717133486
First, she's hot, duh.
Second, because what she did really wasn't all too bad in the grand scheme of things, especially for the UT universe, or media in general.
I know people who selfship with fuckin' Ozymandias, so I figure morality takes something of a backseat to personal attraction past a certain point.

>>717133447
Could work but I was thinking about her eating the white flowers and getting sick or something like that.

>>717132535
>I have Boss Monster genes
that's stupid but I don't hate him for that

>>717133007
Big thanks

>>717133982
If only he didn't have the recessive genes, then his plan would've worked just fine.

>>717134046
Why does the female bird have a mustache?

>>717133007
Damn that's good stuff, nice to see new UTY stuff you as always Sig.

>>717133776
too similar to how the dreemurr kids died

>>717134080
He has all the recessive genes, while she has all the dominant genes...

>nu-doom trannies and tumblrtale fags are the same people
It all makes sense now.

>>717133007
Good God, you never disappoint sig, I really missed your Zartlet drawings

>>717132354 (OP)

>>717133007
Glorious. The armor design is extremely sick too.

>>717133486
We can't resist foxgirls. The fluffy tail must be touched.

>>717133776
It doesn't feel satisfying if Kanako gets sick from a dumb decision.
Say she's been bedridden for most of her life due to soul issues, that could work and it would give more motivation for Chujin to look into soul research.
Maybe it could be tied into the human encounter and Kanako is actually harmed by that instead.

>>717134527
I thought doom 2016 was pretty good

>>717134527
DOOM (2016) was generally pretty well liked, and I personally thought it was pretty good too. Eternal is the one people had issues with, but I've heard The Dark Ages is apparently pretty good, but have yet to check it out myself.

>>717134995
Why doesn't she have a fluffy tail? Her husband and daughter do so why shouldn't she?

>>717135284
The number of tails a kitsune possesses are directly proportional to its intelligence.

>>717133048
>yep he won.
anon...

>>717135039
>>717135253
2016 is considered the best of the lot? I didn't like it since I thought it revolved too much around finishers, which killed the pacing. I never got around to the other two, but I heard Eternal fixed what I didn't like about 2016, which is why I was even interested in it.

>>717135456
>UTY post-launch plans
What exactly were the post-launch plans? This announcement only happened a little over a month ago, but the game itself is almost two years old, so it's not like it hasn't had room to breathe or anything.

>>717135550
I also thought the finishers were a bit annoying after a while, but 2016 at least handled them fairly quickly so it's more of a brief hiccup than how some other games handle them. Eternal is terrible about them though, because they made it so that different finisher abilities make the enemies killed with them drop different resources like ammo, health, armor, etc, so they had to bind a separate command for each finisher and now everything feels super clunky and awkward. Eternal also added a bunch of new movement mechanics that just feel really unintuitive, like those climbing walls and monkey bars and whatnot. Honestly, I'd say 2016 plays way better than Eternal does, especially if you care about the pacing of the combat.

>>717135456
I feel the best path for UTY is to let other people take it forward. Let it be a sort of "open source" franchise that anyone can fork in the way they prefer.

>>717135550
Glory kills are even more required in Eternal, the game has outrageously low max ammo counts for the weapons so you'll run out mid-fight unless you're doing glory kills

>>717135550
I haven't played Dark Ages yet but I felt like Eternal was an improvement over 2016 in every aspect (except for boss fights), the game has a faster pace, the enemy variety improved, the guns are better balanced and the movement mechanics while weird at first make the combat much more fluid, Eternal also adds a rune that increases the speed of the finishers but that should have been the default speed

Look's like we're once again paying the price for that Hayden joke.
I'm not sorry.

>>717135978
glory kills only give you health, no ammo, chainsaw kills do give ammo but they are a separate mechanic

>>717136263
it just means this thread is 2 maybe even 3 times as video games.

UT AU where Doomguy falls into the underground, and very carefully and gracefully handles every situation without violence, until he sees Papyrus and thinks he's a revenant.

>>717136939
>Implying he wouldn't think Toriel is a hell knight

>>717136939
is there any situation in which that doesn't end in papyrus dying? the one monster that deserved the surface the most would get destroyed

>>717135838
Maybe I'm being petty but I feel disheartened that the person who made this game possible wants nothing to do with it. I always thought the devs would do a bit more with UTY, but it seems most if not all of them acknowledge it less than Toby.
UTY means a lot to me, in that I literally think about it everyday. And there's plenty of dedicated fans who feel the same way. But it seems like the devs don't really interact with fans much, even with the countless fanart and discussion that happens online.
Picrel is a post from TeleviQ, a character designer who also posted on /v/ . Seems like there are multiple devs who moved on in a similar way, not just MasterSword.

>>717137206
Forgot to post pic mb

>>717135456
He absolutely won. He had his time in the limelight, and after realising just how awful the UTDR fanbase is, he's moving on to greener pastures with eyes still on him.

>>717136939
I was about to say Doomguy sounds like the type of guy to get the pacifist ending (through fighting, not acting), but now that I think about it, would he spare Asriel? Everyone else can be reasoned with besides him.

>>717137206
thats understandable, they spent almost a decade on it and its a fan game that, and this may sound cynical but, wont advance their careers in any way. add to that them having to deal with the parts of the fanbase that harass devs over headcanons and not having the ability to seperate yourself from the community like toby does and it adds up. its not going to stop me from obsessing over my wife martlet, and enjoying the community we have here.

>>717135606
There were talks of a sequel with a more dynamic battle engine https://files.catbox.moe/hqcmma.mp4

>>717137206
>Picrel
>no pic attached
What did he mean by this?
Joking aside, I'm told MasterSword also apparently used to post on /v/ back closer to when the game came out, but that was all long ago.
I mean, it makes sense. The game's basically done, other than some minor patch that came out recently that only tweaked a few things here and there. It's not like they can really do anything else with the story, all of UTY's cast were all supposed to be relatively unimportant background characters, so there aren't too many stories you can tell with them post-UTY that wouldn't just be slice-of-life stories, and that's not enough material to work with to keep the devs together and bound to the world they made. Eventually, they just had to move on, and yeah that's still a shame, but it was going to happen sooner or later.

>>717137475
I have seen this same joke with this exact bait line posted before, get new material.

>>717137446
>Everyone else can be reasoned with besides him.
I mean, Frisk kinda reasons with him just by being enough of an immovable object for Asriel to be forced to step back and realize that Frisk isn't Chara. I imagine Doomguy could manage the same, if he can hold back from caving Asriel's skull in.

>>717137475
>https://files.catbox.moe/hqcmma.mp4
why is it always this video?

>>717137281
Really doesn't sound like the /v/ posting type with how he types and how he handles hate. You think he'd be used to toxicity if he spent any amount of time here.

>>717138181
theres a shocking number of hyper sensitive people that force themselves to come here

>>717138181
you'd think that wouldnt you?
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/662816642/#662846167

>>717138181
It's basically confirmed he (I think) posted on /v/. If you were around in the early threads you'd know.
I think the image to picrel was never uploaded to Twitter or the artbook, so there's your evidence.
Unrelated, but what do you think of humanoid Axis? Would he have more fans (or shippers) if he looked like this?

>>717138994
>humanoid Axis
Before I clicked the image I thought you were talking about that one humanized Axis that looked like George Droyd.

Anyways, I don't care for it. Axis's most unique trait is that he's a real robot, not a ghost larping as a robot, who wishes he could be larping as a human. I do find it funny that humanoid Axis looks like Chujin though.

>>717137281
What exactly is the negativity he is talking about?

Zartlet grilling burgers

>>717140809
zurgers

There should be an image of Kanako in a bed in the true lab like that one image of that anime girl with no limbs.

>>717132354 (OP)

>>717141490
these two being dorks gives me life

>>717133007
fuck yes, bless you sig, i hope we see more of this

Lightner Martlet with stars that don't look entirely awful

>>717132354 (OP)
I hated kanoko anyways. Cerob killing her makes me like her more, actually.

>>717132535
>loved his family
>even programmed games for his daughter
>aspired to save and protect the whole underground
>worked a shitty factory job to do so, despite repeated failures
>had in-person experience to justify his caution of humans
>still explicitly did not want to kill them, was completely accidental
>sacrificed himself in his SOUL experiments over his kid, unlike cuntroba

There is nothing to hate. He made many mistakes but never bad intentions.

>>717141431
Full spoon or just melted? Not a drawfag, just curious about your vision

>>717135284
Huh
I honestly never noticed that she's lacking a tail. I guess I always imagined it hidden under her skirt? Feels weird to think about.

>>717143109
if you want to be serious about it, than just melted

>>717143608
FelLet?

>>717143608
>>717143723
COLE CALL THE POLICE, YOUR MOM FELL DOWN THE FUCKING STAIRS AND SHE'S ALL RED NOW

>>717143997
>Mom falls down the stairs
>gets a super form and an edgy makeover

I know DRY1 makes Martlet a wagie of some sort, what about a DRY take where Martlet is a cop? Not like a badass super cop, but a Barney Fife type.

>>717143608
>'sup Mordecai

>>717144536
The DRY take inside my head has Martlet as the local donut cop who took the job because there isn't much to do in a quiet town other than stopping Mo from scamming people.

>>717144536
seems kind of odd that she would be a wagie, if they wanted to take a spin off of her guard self they could go with her knowing a trade

regular show

>>717145672
I think the point of it is to make her work long hours yet still be broke.

kanako kanako

>>717144536
>>717144945
heh
>C "hey wait kanako i know, we should tell martlet!"
>K "thats a bad idea cole"
>C "what?! why! she's a cop she'd be able to help us find out who the outlaw is!"
>K "damnit how do i say this... she's a bird brained cop who's only ever had to deal with a racoon scammer and a kleptomaniac squirrel."
>C "and???"
>K "cole. she's never faced anything serious. and given her track record she'll blab about all of"
>kanako gestures in the direction of the dark fountain
>K "THIS to someone she shouldn't and make things much, much, worse"
>C "... fine. but only because i dont want martlet to get hurt"

>>717135456
>>717137206
>>717137281
It brings great sadness to hear of how the people who worked on this game that meant so much to me no longer want anything to do with it. I feel as if I never even got a chance to pay my respects, whatever that may mean.
I remember back in December of 2024 how much excitement I took to watch the anniversary stream and just hearing all the fun things they had to share, about the old Ceroba plans, how Mo was conceived, and all the rest.
I hope at the very least the devs will someday come together and pay homage to the game in the future.

>>717132535
Nope

I've been rewatching Battle Tendency, and I kinda want to write a JoJo style fight scene with one of my characters. Should I?

>>717137475
Holy fuck kek

>>717135456
Im fine with this as long as he tells us what the post launch plans were, and makes another fucking game.

>>717146407
The someone she shouldn't tell in question

>>717143109
Eh, just a bit melted. Anything past that and the joke wouldn't really land.

>>717145767
That's just about any job these days.

DRYanon2 here.
no webm this week, but the battle system is starting to come together now.
im going to backlink this >>>/vrpg/3812511 again and ask for more thoughts and opinions.

anyways, wanna do greens but im tired.
gimmie ideas and i'll do them when i wake up. if the thread's been pruned by then i'll toss them in the /vrpg/ thread

>>717147894
I think the spoon could work from just how absurd it would be.

>>717148176
cole accidentally getting a face full of kanakeister

>>717148176
I need some detailed Kanako kissing sessions, while she sternly leads it.

>>717147562
I'll take that as a no. Fair enough, I should probably be sleeping or working on the actual game anyways.

>>717148412
I don't know, I just think it works better if it's mostly normal Kanako without arms or legs.

DARKNESS
IMPRISONING ME
ALL THAT I SEE
ABSOLUTE HORROR

>>717148809
your fight scenes should already be battle tendency-esque by default, is the thing

>>717148176
DRY take where Martlet works under Chujin as a carpenter. He finds out she's adopted a child after she keeps asking him for parenting advice. Then he finds out the race of the child. Would prefer if Chujin accidentally says something hurtful here, rather than your usual conflict free all happy stuff.

>>717148719
DRY, of course

>>717149050
I meant just writing a green, not writing a scene in the game in that style. I don't know how one would translate Joeseph's trademark kekiaku fighting style to a video game.

>>717149029
The silhouette having a face makes this funnier than it should be.

zartlet
extra chicken breasts
https://files.catbox.moe/ku6zme.PNG

>>717149640
meaty

>>717149640
Wife material

>>717149640
God damn this is nice
you really should color this, anon

Kanako was caught.
https://files.catbox.moe/k9pci1.png

>>717149640
God damn would you look at that

A doodle for a western themed monster villain idea I've had for a while.
I call him Serif or Garamond

>>717149082
>rather than your usual conflict free all happy stuff.
most of the grim stuff goes to the setting me and a friend have.
we have two "communal mind" races. not quite hiveminds, but shared thought is critical to how they function.
one of them, if you become disconnected you become uber depressed and pitifully weak. even your magical capabilities are severely crippled.
the other? a horrifying monstrosity because the communal mind drives most of your biological changes and without that guide it all goes haywire.

>>717152441
Tell me more.

>>717152564
you don't have to make it grimdark edgelord stuff. I just want some character drama.

>>717152572
Serif once met a demon who promised him eternal life if he killed certain people (including Ceroba) as a sacrifice.
He went on through it, and Starlo shot him dead after.
Years later he came back from the dead as a mad husk, plotting to hunt down Cole and Kanako to fulfill the demon's desire.
He is also a font skeleton.

>>717152674
of course, wont go full grimdork with that. just dont be fooled by me doing happy stuff 99% of the time.

>>717150323
HOLY YUM

>>717152882
So Ceroba is dead in this timeline? Who is this demon? How did he get resurrected? Mad husk?

>>717150323
fox milk is a delicacy

>>717153047
to clarify, I mean something like Chujin saying offhanded racist comment, not even considering that this comment is directed at the child of his close friend and student, then Martlet being horrified by what Chujin's said, and her previously perfect image of him being permanently tarnished by the interaction.

>>717153486
yeah. thats what i was planning. anyways im sleeping now.

>>717153159
I'm gonna spoil it since there is a 1% chance this whole thing comes to life
Yup she is dead, Cole and Kanako came from another timeline. The demon is straight up Integrity, her determination brings him back. He is mad and out for blood not unlike how Flowey was. Ceroba being dead is a secret that if discovered is one of the keys that unlocks a weird route equivalent.

>>717150323
Kanako would have been cursed to be flat if it wasn't for this human.

>>717153524
Is this that one where the whole game is actually a series of dreams in Amalgako's mind?

>>717153857
Nope it's one she and Cole hop across alternate universes

>>717153968
There was one where they did that, but it was all actually just inside Kanako's mind. Except for Cole, he was really the disembodied soul of Clover. I wonder what ever became of that one.

>>717142587
If you want to copy the two styles, you could have the cross edges be fainter than the center. That way you can have more stars without it looking too crowded.

>>717133982
So how exactly did he figure out he was a boss monster?

>>717153968
ah so its deltatraveler yellow (but better)

>>717147320
Why does he dress like that?

>>717155218
did anything ever become of this?

>>717155447
His wife told him to.

Torment the 'jin
https://files.catbox.moe/leq8ld.png

>>717155218
also not that lol

>>717155483
lol
it seems deltatraveler overral is just stopped atm while they try to salvage the writing of the first 3 parts

I feel like it's weird that I haven't seen too many other people compare the ending shot of UTY with the ending of Cowboy Bebop. I mean, the shot of Clover's body panning up out of the city before stopping on a shot of the "sky" like that? I could so easily see that being set to "Blue" if the panning shot just lasted a while longer.

GAY

>>717156402
Honestly, I feel like Deltatraveler would need a complete rewrite in order to be really good again. The first section was pretty alright, it had a few meh moments here and there, but by and large it was pretty good. I feel like having the second section take place in EarthBound was a mistake though, it just feels like a bit of a non sequitur to go from Deltarune to Undertale to EarthBound like that. They should've either stuck with Undertale AUs for the whole game, or stuck to having the Deltarune Cast traveling through different weird RPG worlds, like other RPGs that inspired Toby Fox, like OFF or something.

>>717157894
remains to be seen how zelda will work or mario and luigi
in reality its just games rynoGG played as a kid without any rhyme or reason

>>717158250
>remains to be seen how zelda will work or mario and luigi
Are those actually the games that are gonna make up the next sections of Deltatraveler?

>>717158250
>in reality its just games rynoGG played as a kid without any rhyme or reason
i honestly find this itself hard to believe, despite these all being reasonable games, given how fucking hard the lore of the earthbound section was fucked to try and support the whole pacifism angle.

>>717158292
heres the confirmed sections

>>717158407
>Toontown Online
You cannot be fucking serious. This has to be a bit.

>>717158674
if only, anon
the only section that might remotely be interesting is ts!underswap since the actual team will help ryno there, but the rest are just who the fuck knows
also deltatraveler yellow would be just one section like the hard mode (where you play as frisk), so just the ruins
I just hope they don't make clover and kanako siblings if it ever comes to light but they likely will be

>>717158767
>deltatraveler yellow
Wait, so that was/is/will be made by the same person as normal Deltatraveler?
Unless their writing skills have improved a ton since the project began, I'm not too confident in how that'll turn out.

>>717147320
Chewjin would've been better if he were a girl, and she was the one getting cucked
The only major loss would be the original Kanako. She'd look more like Starlo instead

This would've been the best ending honestly. Works out best for everyone.

>>717159970
But anon that's gay.

>>717160674
It's the only way to wrap up every loose end.
Stop Kanako from getting One'd by preventing her from ever existing.

>>717158407
That's a lot of crack he's been smoking.
The more I think about it the more disappointed I am. The concept actually holds some merit and putting the same characters in different worlds, though cheesy, can be fun and thought provoking. One of the best examples of crossover fanfiction is Saruman of Many Devices. However, besides basic writing skills that requires knowing actually good media for crossovers and beating the manchild allegations.

>>717160937
It still frustrates me that the devs barely acknowledge Kanako. You'd think with how much she was built up in the game that she'd have more official art.
Instead she gets one (1) page in the artbook and that's it. Which for some reason didn't include her later design that was shared on Tumblr. Even her own designer didn't draw anything new for her (Chujin at least got a throwaway gag).

https://deltaprophecy.vercel.app/
How would Clover feel if they saw prophecy panels of the things that would happen eventually?

>>717161379
Meh.
Honestly, I still can't really be bothered to get too worked up over Kanako one way or the other. She's just another one of those characters who exist primarily to set up other characters or plot points, but isn't important by themself. And I know a lot of people like to say "but she didn't have to be that way!", which is true, but it's also something you can say about literally any non-character. Like, you could rewrite just about any irrelevant side/background character in any story to be more important than they ended up being in the original story, but at that point you're just telling an entirely new story. And maybe that new story can be really good, and maybe Kanako could be a really good character in a story where she actually is a character, but as it stands including more of her in UTY's story probably would've been a mistake. She served her purpose, she was a living incendiary incident, and then she's gone, and that's all she really had to be. It is what it is.

>>717161541
Version with the prophecy panel calling martlet zenith instead of birdbrain

>>717154284
>>717155218
Hi, that's my project. As one might expect, I didn't get very far with preliminary engine work before shelving it a couple months ago.
Here's a video """showcasing""" what little I finished. I may revisit it in the future, but (a) I'd likely rewrite it since my code is pretty bad and hard to work with, and (b) I have another idea for a UT fangame that I find somewhat more interesting.

>>717162689
>I have another idea for a UT fangame that I find somewhat more interesting.
Any chance you'll tell us about it?

>>717161541
>>717162406
Wouldn't it be Cole in this case?

>>717163883
nta, but that's clearly depicting Martlet being stabbed by Flowey in the neutral route(s) of UTY, so I'm not really sure how that would fit in a DRY take.

Welp, goodnight thread. Hopefully this doesn't sink too far so I can rejoin later.

>>717161379
chujin also only got one page but I'm sure kanako and chujin have more stuff
also that drawing on the right is likely from when kanako was supposed to be a boy in the first drafts, which is only mentioned in passing but I'm sure there might be more info on it somewhere

>>717163406
In other threads, I've heard people say that you could make an entire game from the various Deltarune fan theories and predictions that came about throughout the years. That's the basic premise of this fangame: a reinterpretation of DR taking influence from what people thought would happen rather than what did happen.

The lightner characters are largely the same, but with different roles, which (unfortunately) makes this a sort of swap AU. The intent is to give greater focus to formerly minor UT characters and make them main characters. For example, the new Fun Gang is instead Chara, Dess, and a darkner OC who is inspired largely by Flowey. Here, Chara is instead the older Dreemurr sibling looking forward to Asriel visiting Asgore over winter break, and Noelle is the lost girl whose disappearance made Dess bitter and estranged her from the Dreemurrs.

The dark worlds are largely original, albeit with much inspiration taken from canon and what people imagined the chapters would be like. For example, my idea for chapter 3 still revolves around TV in the Dreemurr household, but focused more on the entertainment aspect since Chara likes film and comics more than games. The Tenna stand-in is actually a corrupt multimedia tycoon like people thought he would be, rather than an endearing game show host. Chapter 1 still involves a kingdom, but the Lancer stand-in is a genuinely cruel princess who usurps the throne from her father, rather than a gentle prince who puts on an outwardly tough persona.

I have no idea if people will actually like this idea more than "Deltatraveler but it was all a dream". But the execution is going to be a lot simpler, I'll tell you that: no juggling various gameplay or art styles.

>>717165736
>also that drawing on the right is likely from when kanako was supposed to be a boy
would Kanako be less popular if she was a boy?

>>717166718
it'd let the fujos leave starlo and dalv alone so they could hyperfixate on gay clover and kanako i guess

>>717132354 (OP)
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/708638370811854848/deconstructing-the-dark-lord
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/721951701685387264/the-new-loredirection-is-more-likely-to-be-made
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/717340895918292992/doom-eternal-art-styleaesthetic-stuff
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/707372396404998144/hypotheticals-if-doom-was-always-a-story-focused
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/712445413752487936/horror-does-have-a-place-in-doom
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/707073276486221824/list-of-things-that-may-not-exist-without-doom
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/707011405803569152/how-eternal-is-doom
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/706920604072296448/random-thoughts-about-quake-horror-night
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/718757862895173632/something-about-speed-in-fps-games
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/727884930344960000
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/744287325256810496/doom-canon-fandom-future
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/713674163555041280/og-doom-art-analysis
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/752924297341878272/most-of-my-thoughtsobservations-on-the-dark-ages
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/713448665405063168

>a wild doom schizo appeared

>>717166718
Outside of here very little would change. Here though, Kanako being a boy would either kill all discussion of the game after a few months at best or the threads would resemble pre-Deltarune /utg/ and would be various characterfags talking about their “faves”

>>717168039
when you put it like that, DRY1 probably wouldn't exist which means that in turn DRY2 wouldn't exist as well, and since Naranja was inspired by those the game wouldn't exist either, with no devs anons and no threads Oldentale woulnd't exist too
The butterfly effect of Kanako being a girl is what inspired the devanons from these threads

>>717168405
Exactly. DRY and most of Sig’s not Martlet or Ceroba related stuff wouldn’t exist, or least it wouldn’t have the romantic elements to it. Maybe we get Return To Form but Clover and boy coke are a bro duo. More people here would be open to Clover and Kanako being siblings since the hmofa angle is gone.

So we mostly exist by the grace of fox cunny?

>>717168405
>>717168832
Forgot to mention it, but Wildfire uses ideas from these threads so that game wouldn't exist either or it would be very different from how it is currently

>>717144945
>>717144536
Since it's a small town, I always proposed the idea of Starlo being the county sheriff and Martlet being a deputy (hired because they didn't had budget for helicopter, definitely did not lost her gun).

Why did roba do it?

Forgot to mention the worst consequence of boynako. He’d attract shotafags like Asriel did back in 2015.

Really? A Cop?
Not a Carpenter or a Construction worker?

>>717169953
Yeah but the real fags lusted over adult edgelord Asriel.

>>717170074
Agreed Martlet shouldn’t be a fed.
>the real fags lusted over adult edgelord Asriel
True but there’s no adult edgelord Kanako to attract homos so that just leaves regular nako for the nonces.

>>717169628
She's brainwashed into following Chujin's vision to the utmost.

UTY but it's a Mecha Anime.

DRY needs a schizo opening section where Gaster calls it a secondary experiment

>>717170914
>secondary experiment
more like a prototype or a "proof of concept" since in theory DRY should take place a year before Deltarune

>>717171027
yeah, takes place in another town too

>>717169193
In as many words, yes.

>>717170332
>>717170074
I like the idea of her working for some sort company(some people have her as a desk jockey, but woodworking would fit better) that either went bust or laid her off, causing things to start falling apart.

Kanako will get a photograph art degree

>>717170914
>>717171027
>>717171079
DRY1 will be avoiding gaster as much as possible according to the dev, but I wanted to try my hand at it.
>Hmmm.
>There, that will work.
>We'll call this a...trial run.
>Hmm?
>Don't let that title fool or dissuade you.
>This story holds a purpose of it's own.
>It is not merely the final draft of another.
>No no no...
>It exists to give two very special souls...
>A better life...
>A better end...
>Perhaps more?
>We shall see.
>Now, would you step forward?
>Something beckons from the dark...

>>717170914
Consider Gerson instead, he's the one who encourages the fangames.

>>717174221
Would he approve of giving two characters doomed by the narrative a better life?

>>717175428
Of course he would, why would he not approve it?

>>717175713
He might think it's autistic

>>717175796
He supported susie's autism why would it be any different here

>>717173039
Her actual degree would probably be architecture

>>717175849
Susie's cooler than your average autist by an order of magnitude

>>717175875
Cute roba

>>717132354 (OP)
she did nothing wrong

Anyone got cool bow designs?

>>717176858
All Robas are cute

>>717177982
probably best to keep it simple and basic, since the others are kind of the same (and makes it easy to sprite lol)
though that being said i am fond of the clockwork bow from calamity and how it looks when loading up arrows into it

>>717178587
Someone mentioned an ivory bow, so I'm more looking for the shape as opposed to complexity

>>717177982
>>717178743
I've always loved alt art Storm Cloud

Concussed'Roba

>>717148615
one face full of kanakeister. EXACTLY as you requested,
>in a dark world
>C: "hey kanako whats that?"
>K: "the darkners say its alcohol but its just flavored water"
>...
>C: "what?"
>K: "yeah apparently its 'känäkeister'."
>...
>K: "there's some on the shelf up there if you want to try it, but its a bit high up..."
>cole tires to get an open bottle off of a high shelf
>it tips and the liquid splashes on his face, kanako has a short laugh
>C: "its real."
>K: "wait it is?"
>C: "monsters must be immune to alcohol"
>K: "ooooh. it must be a bottle of daddy's jägermeister"
>C: "god daahmit. kanako im already feeling it"

>>717179787
>concussed
No, that's just her default level of brainpower

>>717132354 (OP)
Ceroba can go to hell and stay there with child-murdering Asgore. Martlet is my wife.

>>717148176
Martlet forgetting her shirt and not being made aware of that until another monster that wears clothes passes her guard post.

>>717148719
this one i'll do normally, not too big on the raunchy stuff tho so i'll do my best.
>K: "hey cole hold still"
>C: "hu-"
>before cole can react kanako kisses him on the cheek
>cole tries stammering out some words
>K: "hm no that wasn't right."
>she goes back in for another
>K: "that wasnt right either"
>this goes on for about ten minutes, kanako's kisses getting a little deeper every time
>eventually...
>kanako kisses cole one more time
>K: "oh hey that was right"
>cole's now a blushing mess
>C: "k-kanako what the hell was that?"
>K: "oh, just practicing"
>C: "PRACTICING??? FOR WHAT?!?!"
>K: "this-"
>kanako kisses cole right on the lips
>the cowboy is momentarily stunned and can only stammer out some incoherent words
>then he faints

>>717177982
I thought you wanted to give her a melee weapon?
Anyways, I like the harp bow fron elden ring even, but I don't think it fits Martlet

>>717170074
The roles of UT's returning characters in DR are generally a less fantastical equivalent of what they were in UT, mixed with some of their desires or self image.
>Toriel goes from queen to school teacher (possibly the principal too), takes care of children
>Asgore goes from King to flower shop owner, still disgraced
>Undyne goes from badass soldier to bored town cop
>Alphys goes from mad scientist to school teacher
>Mettaton goes from popstar diva to a guy with unfulfilled dreams
Some break the pattern like Sans and the Holidays, of course.

My idea is that Martlet is ultimately very out of place as a cop, maybe she eventually quits it and gets into something else.

>>717132354 (OP)
What does Samuel Hayden from Doom2016 have to do with whatever it is that pic is supposed to be?

>>717137281
>>717137206
>>717138181
>>717138559
If you scroll through this artist’s social media, they’re probably a pooner. They have he/it pronouns in the bio, and they were the ones that made Moray nonbinary. They probably doomscrolled here when they reference the hate

>>717181423
Inside joke.

>>717149082
>C: "martlet, i know you've been asking me a lot of questions about childcare recently"
>M: "o-oh. geez i didnt think it'd be that obvious..."
>C: "its fine, but i do have one bit of advice you should follow above all else
>M: "and whats that?"
>C: "never let the kid become friendly with a human. its a risk to both them and yourself"
>M: "... why?"
>C: "humans are... unpredictable in the best of cases, and in most extremely violent. if you let a human enter your home you're just asking for them to snap one night and trash the place."
>M: "WHAT? thats not true! cole's nothing like that"
>...
>C: "cole? your child is that new human in town?!"
>M: (oh. i shouldnt have let that slip)
>C: "damnit martlet! do you know what you've brought to our quiet town?"
>M: "he's not that bad i promise!"
>C: "oh i know that he puts up a convincing front. my daughter wont shut up about him!"
>C: "but you dont know how bad humans can be martlet, neither of you have been around them long enough to know just what they are truly capable of"
>M: "please! i've seen monsters just as bad as your worst descriptions of humans. im sure if you just give him a chance-"
>C: "the only chance im giving that human is how long it takes him to do something horrible. hopefully he shows what he's really like while he's still a child so the damage wont be that bad"
>M: "but..."
>C: "now, lets continue this job. the planks on the other side of the deck still need to be smoothed out and..."
>but martlet already left

>>717180678
oh yeah i forgot to do those greens when i got back from my trip. i'll do yours in a little bit.

>>717138994
>>717138821
And samefag from the reply (>>717181637), but if I were a dev of this type of game no matter of what I believe, I’d probably lurk through these threads. However, giving /v/ certain info and not on any other sites is unprofessional for sure

>>717132354 (OP)

>>717178970
This is very nice.
>>717181125
The bow works a bit better for the ranger archetype, so I've repurposed the sword. She would still have it, but as a boss-only damaging act.
Granted, could switch that again, and keep the sword as a primary, with the bow as an act.

>>717133007
Sig making Godlike Zenith Martlet art yet again.
I missed your drawings Zartlet, it was nice seeing all the situations she'd be in, be that funny or heart-warming.

>>717166718
The /v/ threads would become instantly better and more readable because there would be no muh heckin cute loli waifu OC autism from underaged people.

Better yet, make Chujin a woman. I don’t even care anymore

>>717170598
I miss evolution with a ferocity you can not possibly fathom.
>>717184249
how do you manage to browse this site and not just tune things like that out

>>717184249
Would fem chujin be more popular than male ceroba?

>>717161379
But anon,she is le "non character".

>>717161689
You know I disagree and already know why. So just take this statement of dissent, and if you want to argue about it go read the archive. I don't want to jump this thread to 500 posts in a matter of hours.

>>717162689
>in universe bad collision detection
Now that's a fun idea. Could hide a lot of easter eggs that way

>>717166718
Boy Kanako would be way more popular outside here mainly for the yaoi Kanaklover ship. A straight kanaklover ship would also exist with a fem-Clover, basically a diet Friskiel not unlike how our Kanaklover is diet Kriselle.
Discussion here would be centered on Kanako getting the same kind of attention Asriel and Ralsei get, but none of the OC girl Kanako gets.

>>717165969
I feel it would do better with Kris and Lancer, so you can facilitate more of the Deltarune crack theories that involved them. And with the card kingdom being more similar you could also include a bunch of chapter 1 era future chapter predictions. Plus Flowey darkner is lame, should be black Ralsei. Though maybe those could be the same thing.

>>717184368
I don’t block or filter out people generally on other websites unless if they post NSFW I’m not a fan of. I also love UTY, but I played it 3 months ago which was long after the hype train ended. This is the only place where I can criticize any aspects of the game without getting people breathing down my neck

I can understand that there’s nothing to really talk about anymore with UTY which is why people make OCs, but a lot of that content comes across as underaged made for some reason (like the Shu thing). My jokes about Chujin and Kanako are hyberboles, and they’re fine the way they are, but I don’t really care about them as characters. I like most of the main cast (Ceroba depends on the day)

>>717184417
No

>>717186080
I dont mean blocking them like hiding the post I mean usually as long as the thread quality is decent I just mentally filter out people talking about the sides of a fandom Im not invested in. people can be going on about kanako all they want and my head is too full of bird to care

>>717168405
I came here mainly for that "UTY fixed mod" that never materialized. And the idea for Oldentale predates my knowledge of UTY entirely if I remember correctly, I was shopping the idea around in DR threads and /utg/, but all I got was a "lmao why". People here just talked me into it while I was waiting for that mod.

So as long as people were still dissatisfied with the ending enough to make threads about it and attempt mods to fix it, Oldentale would still probably exist.

>>717165969
How hard would you go with the predictions thing?
Chapter 1 is an enigma because no one expected things to go that way, Deltarune itself is something almost no one predicted after Undertale.
A chapter 1 based on old predictions would just be a plain sequel of Undertale at the surface, with the UT characters exploring the Gaster mystery.
Chapter 2 would also be weird since the most common expectations were a direct follow up to Card Kingdom with a Spade Queen and Kris doing a genoslide at the town.
Chapter 3 is the only well settled chapter since the gangster Tenna stuff was the overwhelming expectation for it.
The other chapters onward were all a wild guess. Even people who predicted the Church didn't really predict how things would go, in truth it's a music-themed chapter as much as a church one.

>>717169520
>(hired because they didn't had budget for helicopter
That's a funny idea. I like that. Just imagine how she originally got the job. Was she looking for work and the opportunity "looking for anyone that can fly" presented itself, or did Starlo approach her personally since she was the only person in town with wings?

>>717170074
Maybe she used to work for Chujin until they had a falling out over him being racist towards Cole. They eventually patched things over enough to be civil towards each other, but by then both of them had gone into different fields.

>>717170914
DRY strikes me as an accidental byproduct of whatever Gaster is doing in Hometown. Either he has no idea it exists, or allows it to exist purely out of curiosity, but leaves it alone because he's busy with DR.

>>717175947
>Kanako and Cole are picking out college courses
>As a joke Cole picks architecture for her
>When they're going over their paperwork, Kanako sees it and gives Cole a grumpy look
>Unfortunately Chujin also saw it, and is smitten with the idea of Kanako continuing the family tradition
>Kanako ends up shanghai'd into a whole curriculum based on turning her into the Ketsukane architect prodigy
>Thankfully she at least kept a minor in art studies

>>717175796
Then he would support it even more. The most he would do is give writing advice on how to turn that simple wish fulfillment into a proper narrative.

>>717177982
I think just a simple long bow would work. Nothing too crazy.

>>717165969
this idea reminds me of "deltarune hypothesis", a fangame in the works where its just bite sized chunks of "what if" scenarios for DR (mostly based on memes)
but yours being based on dead theories and having a tighter focus and less on jokes could be more interesting

>>717181423
Its flamewar bait. Its a joke about samuel hayden using the most evil shit in existence because "it is necessary for mankinds survival". Only insted of mankind, its the thread.

>>717182123
I was hoping for more accidental racism on Chujin's part then a refusal to back down when Martlet gets offended, because he's an autist with no emotional intelligence.

>>717187504
>Asgore gets sent to the dark world
>His wild fantasy self is just him getting his old job back
>Thats kinda sad

>>717180937
Based.

>>717189080
>Kanako if she real

>>717189080
damn, fox girls look like this?

The world needs more Ceroba hmofa.

>>717190815
be the change you want to see

>>717190815
it feels like theres a surprisingly small amount. this may be due to martlet being superior but still.

>>717132354 (OP)
Ceroba deserves nothing less than a bullet to the skull.

For me it's Moray.
>"But she's a they/them tranny!"
I can fix her.

>>717191395
Specific preference in monster girls aside, it's weird that there isn't more stuff like that. I've seen a few Ceroba hmofa fics, and maybe 5 images, and that's it.
It's not even like there's a ton of Martlet stuff either, there's a shortage on both ends.

Is this thread the reason there’s no Deltarune thread? Is everyone here?

>>717192202
no the DR thread got autosaged

>>717190815
>>717191395
Ceroba has two canonical love interests, Martlet has none. I guess that's the reason.
>>717191986
Moray would be best girl material if it wasn't for the they/them stuff. I don't get why they didn't make Ace the mandatory NB character instead.

>>717191986
She wants to be a boy because she's a fujo and wants starlo gay sex

>>717191395
i wish ceroba was as rotund as bird on the bottom right haha..........

>>717190815
There’s more hmofa sexual art of Ceroba than Staroba anon

>>717192041
well to be fair, the hmofa "community" is largely a few people that draw their specific OC for years on end.
>>717192551
yeah I guess Ceroba does have stuff written of her with star for instance, though I feel like that hasn't stopped people before.

>>717192551
>Ceroba has two canonical love interests, Martlet has none. I guess that's the reason.
Yeah, but I feel like there's a good angle for hmofa stuff with Ceroba based on her trying to take Clover's soul, it feels like untapped potential to me.
To be clear, what I mean by that is that I feel like you could potentially write an interesting relationship between Ceroba and (adult) Clover after they've reconciled all that stuff about Ceroba trying to take Clover's soul, not anything else.

>>717193028
Best I've got is this.

>>717193380
Whoa momma

>>717194371
the peak of monsterkind I see.

>>717193380
Ce-dough-ba…

>>717193280
adult clover would likely end with martlet than roba, roba is a hag I'd prefer he ends with kanako anyway

>>717195142
How does Clover deal with Kanako when she goes feral?

>>717195420
He just has to live with her screaming at him for a while. She calms down eventually.

>>717193380
Breddy good

>>717195142

>>717193380

>>717195605
Well, that's a little bit past what I'd typically go for, but to each their own.
I still kinda wish we got to see Starlo's horrified reaction to seeing what's become of Ceroba and her family in that one green. You know the one.

>>717195582
>K: "RRGGGHGRGRRHGR"
>C: *sigh* "3… 2… 1…"
>K: "RGRHRGRRRRrrrmmm. Mmph?! Covuh?"
>C: "Welcome back, 'Coke Can.'"
>K: "Whuh mm… PTOO! Why am I eating your hat?"
>C: "You went feral again."
>K: "… No I-"
>C: "You were."
>K: "I-I was a-"
>C: "You weren't asleep. You just forgot what you did while feral again."
>K: … *sigh* "GOD… Damn it."

>>717132354 (OP)
>Cucked by Ceroba in terms of spotlight in-game due to not being a waifu
>Cucked by Chujin (ugly), Martlet (female), and Clover (a kid) in terms of certain fan content with his crush Ceroba despite being hot
>Cucked by UTY devs who reduce him down to just being "Ceroba's beta"
>Literally a failed Tumblr sexyman, forgotten by the UTDR fanbase

Kek

Friendly reminder that Integrity did nothing wrong.
>was a literal child who just wanted to go home
>fell into an underground world full of monsters who attack humans on sight and want nothing more than to wipe them out for the sins of their forefathers
>obviously didn't kill Toriel or genocide the random shitter monsters in the ruins
>Dalv flat out says he attacked her first
>even if he didn't he's fucking Dalv
>stopped monster Mengele from wiping out her people by enduring captivity and torture and refusing to let him weaponize her soul

>>717185374
That's just a debug message, haha. I kept in the bad collision because I couldn't fix it and thought it was fun to exploit. But thanks for the idea, I like it.

>>717185831
Yeah, that's a good point. The characters aren't set in stone at all, these are just preliminary ideas. Chara is only briefly touched upon in canon leading people to interpret the character in two diametrically opposed black-and-white ways, and I wanted to draw parallels with Ralsei being a caricature of gentle pacifist Asriel by having the darkner companion be modelled after sarcastic murderhobo Asriel.
Kris and Lancer definitely tie more into the crack theories, though. I like the idea, but my idea for the main trio was to have them be more of an Unfun Gang who are pessimists rather than a Fun Gang who are optimists. Not sure how I could make that work with Kris and Lancer, who are shown to be generally caring people despite their eccentricities; though perhaps scrapping the Unfun Gang idea might potentially be for the better.

>>717186397
Yeah, honestly I'm not sure yet since I'm still working out all of the details. The general approach I'm working towards is to think about some cool ideas that never panned out and try to retrofit them into a new story. This would be stuff like future dark world speculation, differing fan interpretations on the prophecy, predictions about lightners' roles in the dark worlds, and the like. Sometimes this could be literally following the speculative chapter ideas (eg. chapter 3 Dreemurr house with gangster Tenna), but I think a lot of it would only incorporate elements (eg. I had some ideas tying into chapter 2 genoslide somewhat).

>>717187504
I didn't know about this game, thanks for bringing it to my attention. I probably won't play it because I don't want to be subconsciously influenced, and yeah the intent of my take is supposed to be more on the serious theories anyway.

>>717196746
All of this would've been avoided if he got a Jaundice route fight

>>717196784
she was black therefore she deserved everything that happened to her and much worse

>>717196784
there is also the echo flower with her last words in the tutu room
BUT
she is confirmed to have killed at least a few monsters and had a violent streak from her equipment, even if she didn't do full geno she wasn't innocent either

>>717196858
The Unfun gang sounds more like a Deltafell thing than this weird crack theory AU.

>>717196858
You should make Berdly be Robin Hood instead of Falco

>>717196746
I cucked him further by gunning him down when he threw a tantrum over his friends leaving him and tried to shoot a child.

Martlet and Papyrus doomed ship where the 2 dorks have absolute perfect chemistry and are literally made for each other, until Martlet cooked spaghetti and Papyrus witnessed an italian crime: Martlet snapped the spaghetti in half.

>>717193380
Location?

>>717198530
Isn't papyrus not that big of a spaghetti buff and just makes it because other people like it?

>>717198530
Anon, Papyrus is the worst spaghetti butcher known to mankind. No one commits more spaghetti crimes than him. He snaps his into quarters, sometimes eighths.

>>717198960
his spaghetti isn't described in a few negative ways in game, but I think people just glaze past that in favor of "lol papyrus spaget". we get moments like your face scrunching up on trying it, it being called inedible, and the taste being "indescribable". its the thought that counts at least.

>>717197390
Yeah, it does. I still like the idea of the main trio being underutilised characters who contrast greatly with the trio we got, but you're right in that it might not fit to well with the pitch. I'm open to changing it, and if I did I'd probably go with Kris, Dess, and Lancer like the other person suggested. Shit, let's rename Kris to Frisk while we're at it to pay homage to "UT surface sequel" theories and because it would be funny.

>>717197529
That's one of the ideas I was attached to. But right now I don't have plans to make Berdly one of the major characters; since the Dreemurr siblings swap age groups, he'd be in Asriel's primary school class, not Chara's secondary school class.

>>717199120
The Deltarune version would be a perfect cook (what not being stuck underground does to a mf) and be monsterkind's own Gordon Ramsay.

>>717198142
I did the same thing. I can’t believe anons last year tried to convince people he wasn’t a sped when he canonically is

>>717199195
> But right now I don't have plans to make Berdly one of the major characters; since the Dreemurr siblings swap age groups, he'd be in Asriel's primary school class, not Chara's secondary school class
Seems like that'd defeat the whole purpose of doing any of this if its trying to do the "new classmate lightner every chapter" thing that everyone theorized.
>Kris, Dess, and Lancer
I think the normal group of Kris, Susie, and Ralsei, but with different characterizations for each character would be better. Like keeping black Ralsei instead of Whitesei, doing different stuff with Noelle and the other classmates, Susie getting all manner of fanons like her bike eating dad.

It seems like you're kinda stuck trying to do two different fangames at the same time. One being an age swap AU, and the other being a "every debunked fan theory is canon" AU. I'd say do one or the other, and stop trying to do both at the same time. Because they seem to be mutually exclusive.

>>717199568
Every monster is a sped, its their racial ability.

>>717198787
The source?
Right here: https://x.com/Seb_Pirata/status/1950672437986897994
Don't expect too much else like this image though, while they do draw primarily UTY content, this is the only fat image they've done so far to my knowledge.

>>717201137
thank you

>>717201705
If nothing else, this does at least show that they're open to being comm'd for this sort of thing, so maybe they'll end up doing this again someday.

>>717202009
it's remarkably good considering the person usually draws normal stuff

>>717187453
Perhaps.

>>717197529
Honestly that'd be a better fit. Falco is too smug-in-space while Berdly is more "I'm doing this for the greater good (and attention)!" Robin Hood would let him lean harder into his delusions of grandeur and "actually I'm a hero" self-image. Plus you just know he'd go on a monologue about redistributing wealth with PowerPoint slides mid-battle.

>>717199819
I don't necessarily think the two AU concepts are diametrically opposed since the fundamental idea is to "use the unused", both in terms of characters and fan theories. We get that "new lightner party member each chapter" idea that never panned out, and the cast of lightners are characters who were otherwise unimportant in UTDR. Though I think I see the point you're trying to make here: is it truly a "debunked fan theory AU" if the characters are completely different from who they were about? I'll definitely keep in mind what you're saying about focusing on one concept.
I latched onto the Lancer idea because of the "true prince from the dark" theories floating around in chapter 1. In that vein, Noelle could work as a deuteragonist in place of Susie due to "the girl" theories.
I really like the idea of keeping the chapter 1 Ralsei design, and like the other guy said it could work in tandem with making his personality more like soulless Asriel. Not too sure what to do with Susie: the only things I can think of are retaining more of her brasher chapter 1 personality, and maybe making her homeless like some people thought she was in chapter 2. Can't recall the fanons you may have had in mind, I certainly hadn't heard of the bike dad thing before

Shubros, our response?

>>717202748
The idea is that Susie's dad is abusive to a comical degree, literally eats her bike because she made him mad. As for her other traits, her initially hating Kris because she's jealous of how good his home life is. And I think you could just have Susie be one lightner party member among many, rather than the coprotagonist like she in base DR.

Ralsei could be a soulless psychopath who isn't evil. He can't feel emotions in the conventional sense, but he also doesn't enjoy hurting people, and wants to be a good person, he just doesn't have the mental faculties to truly feel empathy. So he acts the role of how a nice person should act. This could even fit thematically with him keeping the hat on. Ralsei really isn't becoming more of a person here, its just a character he's playing because its the role assigned to him. You could even have a reveal later of what's really under the hat to hammer this home.

As for the swap vs crack theory stuff. I say its diametrically opposed, because all the things I would want out of a crack theory AU are only possible with the original DR lightners. If you don't want to change your concept, I would suggest you at least bill at as something else, so you don't get people who are expecting the DR characters hopes up.

>>717202828
Literally who?

>>717203591
>He doesn't know

>Ceroba let the important things in life escape her many times before as she either just assumed things would get better like with Chujin, or allowed her tunnel vision to convince her that she was doing the right thing losing both kanako and clover once before.
>now on the surface she receives a call from a drunk Toriel one day crying that she learned just how many times frisk had died before and how unfit she was to raise the kid.
>after getting off the call Ceroba wanted to dismiss everything she heard as drunken nonsense, but she couldn't help but remember the hollow look in clovers eyes when she first tried to take his soul. in the years since that day she had believed it was just a reaction to her betrayal, but what if the truth is staring her in the face and she just doesn't want to believe it?
I'm being a little a lot autistic here, but imagine a ceroba that learned to stop just getting stuck in her tunnel vision coming to terms with clover remembering dying multiple times while living with her on the surface.

>>717202828
How does this thing work?

>>717196746
I didn’t forget him because he’s the best character in the game. Also you admitted he’s hotter than Chujin
>>717198142
So I assume you also killed Ceroba for the same reason?

>>717205186
Its just a website that lets you make prophecy images https://deltaprophecy.vercel.app/