Thread 719207923

Why is it that only arcade games have the depth, intricacy and quality that has yet to be rivalled? You see immense player expression without mechanical Darwinism, yet the difficulty is never self serving. Arcade games have pure fundamental gameplay, no mechanics because mechanics are a crutch by shitty modern devs who can't handle real gameplay. It's a work of art to find out the little exploits and tactics in arcade games, like the infinite punch in Final Fight. Modern games attempt this, but finding exploits and cheese strategies in those is just shallow and skin deep design.
Whenever an arcade game does debase itself to have a mechanic, it's always the highest quality and programmed by the most intelligent Japanese developers in history. A shame the world changed...

Nothing so sufficiently communicates "I am a midwit" like making up your own phrases like Mork or Bognog do.

>>719208295
Who the fuck is Mork and Boghog? Why can't /v/ discuss games without e-celeb shit

>>719208407
They're the source for "mechanical darwinism" and "self serve difficulty".

>>719208407
They use strawmen to deflect specifically so they do not have to confront your words.

This is a crosspost from /vr/.

A loli thread died for this...

>>719208550
People do that sometimes where they'll make two threads, one for shitposting/faster engagement and one for discussion.

>>719207923 (OP)
>screenshot off google
>please do all the work in the thread for me
Nah I'm good, this is the real reason /vr/ went from being one of the best boards on 4chan to one of the worst. I haven't touched it in literal years

seething casuals

>>719207923 (OP)
what are you even trying to say? wtf is mechanical darwinism? wtf is self serving difficulty? what's the difference between "pure fundamental gameplay" and a mechanic?

>>719211845
The difference is in something like Dark Souls where the clear dominant strategy is to roll and parry, arcade games and good action games like Ninja Gaiden 2 don't have this Darwinism, so one strategy doesn't eat the others
Play more arcade games like Final Fight, which crushes modern games and you'll see

>>719212365
This doesn't answer the rest of my questions. Also, shmups are basically the complete opposite of what you're preaching here

I think I've worked it out
If an arcade game or game Mork likes does it, then it's genius and amazing and well thought out deep design
If a game he doesn't like does something then its garbage and more proof of how shallow games are

>>719208954
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>719207923 (OP)
Billy Mays here with an amazing offer!

Forget those modern games with their boring tutorials and endless "mechanics"! They're just a crutch for bad design!

Arcade games are the real deal! They have pure, fundamental gameplay that throws you in the deep end, forcing you to master the game yourself. This creates immense player expression and a challenge that's never self-serving. Finding exploits like the infinite punch in Final Fight is an art form—unlike the cheap, shallow design of today's games.

And when an arcade game does have a mechanic, it's a work of art, designed by the most brilliant Japanese developers in history.

Don't settle for less! Get the quality and intricacy of an arcade game today!

>>719207923 (OP)
>Why is it that only arcade games have the depth, intricacy and quality that has yet to be rivalled?
Because they HAD TO, or they would be replaced by better games. The arcade enviroment they were born in was survival of the fittest, and the price of admission (a coin or two) to try each game was so low people couldn't be duped into spending a lot of money or time on a shitty product.

>>719213639
This, as well as being always fantastic and never derivative they literally never had bugs like modern games do
Just goes to show how mechanical Darwinism destroys games with their crutch mechanics

>>719208407
Mork and Gork (sometimes Gork and Mork) are the Ork gods.

>>719207923 (OP)
>>719213639
Besides arcade games didn't have massive marketing campaigns (at least for their arcade versions, console ports were another matter), so each title had a more or less fair chance to win players' attention.

Not only is Mork the world's greatest and most intelligent arcade player, but he's also a master at Tekken, Third Strike and Virtua Fighter
This is to say nothing of his absolute dominance of single player action games like Ninja Gaiden 2, Wanted Dead and Gungrave Gore, which like God Hand, critics absolutely destroyed because it was too hard for them

>furry is literally retarded
>>>/vr/11982480

>>719214345
I don't care if the thread was made as satire, my answers are genuine.

>>719214336
>Not only is Mork the world's greatest and most intelligent arcade player
He's clearly a well above average player for console standards as most people can't 1cc shit and the general public are casuals, but he couldn't be called an expert player of any genre.
What he does, and quite well, is be a good and entertaining reviewer and communicator, despite using some wonky and pretentious buzz terms.

>>719215131
>clearly above average
That's putting it mildly, Mork is literally the greatest gamer the world has or will ever see

>>719215265
AFAIK he didn't beat Ninja Gaiden II on Master Ninja... jk.

Props to him however for 1CCing Radiant Silvergun and 2-ALLing DDP. His Ketsui clear was also nice.

Hey shmupfags, The Marion update for Cotton High Tension just released!
No news yet about an overseas release or Rock With You's launch unfortunately.

>>719215758
Thanks for the heads up. Alas I don't have a Switch so I'm going to wait until the inevitable Steam release.

>>719215884
I hope it comes to Steam, I have doubts considering Reboot 1 got mixed reception when it was ported (primarily because of the lackluster port job). Rock with You is 100% coming to Steam when it comes out though.

>>719207923 (OP)
for me it's "legacy skill"

>>719215572
they were all survival clears which is the lowest form of clear for shmups. for all his preaching about player skill and hardcore nonsense, he doesnt do any of it

DUMBER=DEEPER

>>719207923 (OP)
https://web.archive.org/web/20071018104120/http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/
Solved question.

>>719207923 (OP)
Schmups are for schmucks.

>>719216362
A 1CC is a 1CC.
>for all his preaching about player skill and hardcore nonsense, he doesnt do any of it
But yeah, I get what you mean. He does a very good job promoting games and a good one talking about mechanics (contradictory stances/buzzwords and overglazing some games aside) but he doesn't fully practices what he preaches.
That said, I think he's an excellent youtuber when it comes to raising core players' attention and directly them towards arcade games and specially shmups.
There are several players superior to him, but most are not as eloquent or charismatic or willing to connect to a more general audience.

>>719216972
>and directing them
Fixed.

It's not easy to produce content that motivates core players to try arcade games from 15+ years ago or obscure indie games that are also hard and not just "retro" in style only.

>>719216972
having talked to several of those superior players, they really don't want to expand the shmup audience because it dilutes the genre with tourism. the kind of visitors that come in, rave about how cool dodonpachi is, but never gun for a clear of any kind. while mark is changing the reception of arcade games from "quarter munchers" to "depth in design" his efforts ultimately do nothing to expand the player audience and subsequently developers to invest in the genre again

>>719215572
He did on his other xbox

>>719217468
but the genre died because of those autists

>>719207923 (OP)
it's due to intense competition within clearly delineated genres--devs couldn't just make an okay shmup and expect arcade owners to hand them money, they had to make a great shmup with the best mechanics and the most eye-catching art style to make any kind of splash in the market. same deal for fighters.
beatemups seem to have been primarily brand vehicles though, which explains why so many of the popular ones kind of suck

>>719218034
holy shit lmfao

>>719207923 (OP)
I started unconsciously reading this in Comic Book Guy's voice in my head two sentences in, but I, too, enjoy one thousand times folded Japanese arcade games from the 80s and 90s.

>>719218034
Good fucking god, it's like a magnetic poetry set for guaranteed replies on /v/.

>>719218034
Most if not all of these apply to his precious arcade games though, especially the one about how if you stop paying the fun stops

>>719217549
Good.

>>719217468
>hey really don't want to expand the shmup audience because it dilutes the genre with tourism
I can undertand that, but sadly arcades are realistically never coming back, at least in their classic form. What's the worst that could happen by trying to reignite interest in the genre?

Shmups will ALWAYS be niche no matter what. But promoting them and promoting ideas such as that there is value in mechanical complexity and games being challenging can do a lot of good, specially in the long term.
The video game industry in general seems to be moving towards a shittier place each passing year, and most indie games wear "retro" style graphics as a skinsuit while being piss easy.
Point being, if nobody tells new or existing but not yet "hardcore" players that these games exist eventually the genre will die out even at the indie level.

Worst case scenario a bunch of poser tourists buy a bunch of games and shortly after move on, best case scenario a new wave of players get genuinely interested in shmups and challenging arcade style games and the torch gets passed on with indies.
Also, I believe eventually japanese players and developers will move en masse to PC (and not just use it for porn games). It would be better if there's more people playing shmups by then.

>>719219063
dont need boghog to ghostwrite anymore
guaranteed clickbait for free

>>719219063
/v/ doesn't care about any of this shit dude, that's why you have to keep bumping the thread off page 10

>start gradius v for the first time
>cool opening cutscene, getting excited to try it
>different loadouts, consider my options
>stage 1, big ass explosions everywhere
>holy shit this is cool
>first boss is already crazy
>stage 2, time shenanigans
>woah another me performing maneuvers up top while i dodge on the bottom
>die to eyeborgs, didn't know their gimmick yet. that's ok gonna try ag-
>YOU NEED MORE PRACTICE
>get offended, delete game, never want to play again
Why are people so mean? They didn't need to say that. Who likes being insulted like that?

>50+ shmups release every year
>people are doing shit like this now
https://youtu.be/XAVc01AqyZM
>some retard makes an awful bait thread begging for eceleb drama and acting like anyone gives a shit about newfags when all you have know is tap and sweep. probably thinks hes hot shit for just barely 1cc'ing final fight
>could have had genuine arcade game discussion but we got this awful trash instead

>>719220075
>cutscene
Sounds like spectacle cannibalism

>>719220367
Arcade games are shallow slop, who cares?

>>719220075
come on, we're just getting started

>>719220425
Yeah that's right, its not your problem so get gatekept and go eceleb bait somewhere else.

>nooooo saar arcade games are deep and intricate
OK how?
>uhhh I'm not explaining bloody bastard

>>719220367
>>50+ shmups release every year
name some that you're liking
>>people are doing shit like this now
I don't care about "people" show me what you've done lately

>>719220775
On the contrary, Mork loves to rant about mechanics to an autistic degree. To the point you sometimes feel like the review should be shorter so it doesn't spoil too much of the game.

>>719221252
I mean that'd hold more weight if he understood mechanics
This is why he's a joke, he presents himself as an expert yet he consistently shows he has no idea what he's talking about
His DFK video was filled with "I don't know how that works" and it's clear he knows nothing about action games

>>719221426
>he presents himself as an expert yet he consistently shows he has no idea what he's talking about
Yes, but presenting yourself as an expert even if it's not true is sadly a NECESSARY EVIL in a Youtube ecosystem that pushes all content creators to claim to be experts on anything and everything.

People are unfortunately much less likely to spend their time on a humble youtuber they barely know/just found out than on one making outrageous, grandiloquent and clickbaity statements.

>>719221865
youre alright furfag. what shmups do you play?

>watch the shmup documentary
>he keeps saying arcade games have depth etc
>he never actually proves it

>furries
I blame euroshit entirely.

>>719221865
lolwut
>dude it's OK to be a fucking poser retard but pretend you're an expert because uhhhh YouTube

>>719221935
I played a lot of them and despite being quite busy still make the time to play at least one-two hours per day 4 days a week. I'm currently playing Crimzon Clover World Ignition.

>>719222280
It sucks it has to be this way, but it is how it is.
People in general won't listen to a youtuber who presents himself as just a very enthusiastic fan.
Same reason btw why hyperbole in game reviews tends to be the norm instead of the exception. E.g. Too many games are called either "Great" or "Shit" and not as many "just good", or "below average".

Anyway I need to sleep. Good night.

>>719222605
sleep well anon

>>719208407
You do realize OP post is riddled with Mork thumbnail quotes?

>>719212365
>good action games like Ninja Gaiden 2 don't have this Darwinism, so one strategy doesn't eat the others
LMAO
Good job outting yourself poser. NG2 has an infamous balance problem where UT spam is the dominant strategy in all cases no matter the difficulty.

>>719208407
>Boghog
He said Bognog
You know who these people are LMAOOOOOO

>>719220070
That was my first reply to this thread, you haughty teenager.

>>719207923 (OP)
>no mechanics
>except for bombs
>except for the mode change ikuruga clones
>except for power-up collection and selection
>except for
I feel like OP's point would've been more entertaining if he'd used top-scroll shooters like Commando and Ikari Warriors as his example instead.
At least then we could've fucking talked about total carnage.

Genuinely don't see the appeal of 1cc, it's just a way to add challenge to a game you like, like doing no hit runs or something

>>719224504
imagine if dark souls had a skip boss button

>>719218034
>>719219659
Reads like AI generated slop, is this something somebody actually wrote?

>>719224617
lolwut how is that remotely similar
1cc is a self imposed challenge run

>>719225121
because then fighting every boss would then become a self imposed challenge run you fucking idiot. skipping the boss would be optimal in every situation in the same way dying and continuing with max powerups in shmups is optimal. you complete the game in both instances, but it takes a higher IQ to reflect and ask yourself did you beat the game?

I stopped playing shmups because doing full runs is fun but grinding for a 1cc is not fun. But if it's impossible to clear a game without hours of grinding, then full runs stop being fun too

Since when /v/ became so obsessed with Mork anyway?
You don't even play arcade games.

rhythm games > SHMUPs

>>719223280
who the fuck would even know that without being an e-celeb obsessed normgroid?
every word in op makes sense. it's pretentious and intellectually limited ultimately, but it makes sense at face value as a thesis you can accept or refute

>>719213639
>>719214215
>>719215131
>>719215572
>>719216972
>>719219339
based artist choice.
You deserve a game that is the most arcade game since the last decade.

>>719225359
>if I make a retarded false analogy that means arcade games are epic
uh

>>719225563
>if i strawman the point that means i can look smart and win internet discussions
huh

>>719225660
>don't see the appeal of 1ccs when it's just a self imposed challenge
UH WELL WHAT IF SOULS HAD A SKIP BOSS BUTTON
>that has nothing to do with anything
UHHH UR A STRAWMAN

>>719225885
>I AM SILLY

>>719224504
1cc is not a challenge run, a lot of shmups are balanced around 1cc
>muh too difficult coin muncher
yeah feels impossible at start, but once you learn how to 1cc you'd start to realize you were just in "I don't know how this game work" phase
kinda like how people who never touched games struggles to even look up or down, arcade games are fundamentally different that it really puts you out of how you normally approach a game

>>719225937
Kino.

Talking to arcadefags has genuinely destroyed my interest in the genre
It's clear they don't actually play and are vastly more interested in proclaiming how hardcore they are without playing, and strawmanning modern games without playing them either
I'm sure there's some good arcade people but every one I've engaged with on /vr/ and /v/ have been horrible
Just last night I made an AvP thread and just genuinely asked what the appeal of the game was and what I was missing, and all I got was "heh filtered zoomer can't handle it"

>>719227029
>>719226987
wat

>>719217549
Sure he did. If so. He should still have the XBL pfp that came with it.

>>719226884
please dont play or discuss these games. i dont want you to play them. you seem incredibly stupid and unpleasant.

>>719227117
Meant for >>719225952

lol

>>719227110
When you're as good as Mork you don't need proof
Just like his fighting game proficiency, despite no one ever having heard of him in the scene and zero tourney or locals placements, we must assume he's an absolute god
After all if he wasn't then he'd have to be quite the scam artist to make videos called something like "third strike is arcade perfection" with zero experience

>>719227158
no i definitely meant it for you, dont ever make a thread on arcade games again. people like you are why gatekeeping exists. not for purple haired sjws, but retards like you

>>719227058
try it, there is a demo.

>>719227117
>>719227234
>make a thread
>literally all I said was "I must be missing something, can you explain the appeal"
>got zero actual discussion and just shitposts about le zoomers
>>>gatekeeping
It's now gatekeeping to discuss arcade games?

>>719227265
>made a retarded thread asking to be spoonfed
>why did people shit on me
dont worry about it dude, this genre is not for you. i will take 10,000 trannies over even one of you. you're in here looking for pity so you're clearly a gay faggot looking for pity and engagement farming. no one is missing out by you not playing these games.

>>719227265
Nah, he's right, you sound like a whiny bitch and if its the thread I'm thinking of it was clearly lazy bait. And then someone made an actual thread and you tried to shitpost it to death. Stay far away. Go post in an rpg maker thread or some other slop.

>>719226884
>but every one I've engaged with on /vr/ and /v/ have been horrible
No offense anon but what did you expect from here?

>>719226884
Has it occurred to you that you might be the problem? All of this sounds like a huge lie btw

>>719226884
As a guy who's into both modern and arcade games, I can safely say that there are a lot of bitter arcade boomers who couldn't transfer to modern games, so they relegate to circlejerking by calling arcades "too hardcore for zoomers".
However I could say the same for modern game zoomers who completely disregard arcade as a coin munchers, as if it's some kind of excuse of not being able to explore arcade games.
I think this retardation happens because how you approach arcade games doesn't transfer to modern games, and vice versa.
I 1cc'd some arcade games but it didn't really affect my skills with modern games, I still struggle to do basic hard mode of some modern titles, at the same time trying to 1cc on arcades for the first time made me feel like an absolute retard who didn't know how to play a game, despite I've been playing modern games a lot.
Anyways, what I want to say is, just ignore those circlejerking retards and play whatever you want, however you want. Instead of letting these "people" affect your enjoyment of a game.

>>719226884
>without playing
Didn't you make a thread saying you played the game and hated it, then when they asked for footage of you playing the game you threw a tantrum? And then they recorded themselves playing the game and you threw another tantrum?

>>719225937
Looks sick. Thanks for sharing.

I think the problem lies in either site culture or the corruption of said culture
This much vitriol is just awful and is probably what drove away 90% of users
>but it was always le internet hate machine
Only /b/ was and only as a joke

>>719227637
He sure did.

Is this a bad time to say I also don't understand the appeal of Alien vs Predator? The only beat em up I played was Ninja Saviors Once Again, which was awesome

>>719227637
>>719227705
Man its insane that someone can be so histrionic that they can get absolutely btfo then come into a whole different off topic shitpost thread with big crocodile tears begging for ass pats. What creates a person like this?

>>719227783
It has cool combos, which have actual execution behind them. It has restands and juggling. Your character is incredibly powerful and can fly around like a marvel character, which is balanced by flooding the entire screen with enemies. It's that simple.

Is it a learned skill, or how do you get to grips with beat em ups where you can move around the screen? For some reason the ones like Alien Vs Predator, Final Fight, Streets of Rage, where you can go up and down just really mess with my depth perception

>>719227998
It requires basic motor control, which modern games don't.

>>719227826
>What creates a person like this?
Too much time spent hunched over at the computer.

>>719207923 (OP)
Fortnite requires more player input and skill shmuptranny
>>719225359
Dying is built into souls games retarded faggot, it’s a mechanic and it affects the world, questlines, hp, stamina etc

That reply is so fucking retarded you don't get a (You)

It is incredibly unfortunate that this dumb eceleb thread of all things is getting bumped. Guess we can't have arcade threads any more either. Mission accomplished OP. No more video game threads on /v/.

>>719228117
Not like there was in the first place
>hop on /v/ after work
>ignore all the twitter threads
>ignore all the dumb journalist news threads
>ignore all the fotm shit threads that are just discord weirdos
>ignore all the blatant ragebait threads
After all that I'm left without about 3 threads, maybe

>>719218034
I think shmups appeal to autistic people, and I mean genuinely, proper diagnosed autism, because you don't categorise shit to this degree and you don't enjoy routing the same shit over and over again to that degree without being autistic
It's why shmup players can't adapt to more dynamic games either

>>719228173
No, we had arcade threads only yesterday just fine. Someone noticed this and figured "why aren't they making these posts in my thread instead". And then of course the retarded furry had to bump it. All discussion must be reallocated into the most miserable off topic mentally ill threads possible. I don't know who the fuck these people OP is referencing are. I don't care about youtube drama. People like OP should not be engaging with arcade games at all. If they are throwing tantrums over people over YouTube their input is not valuable and they should not have a monopoly over discussion on /v/. And yet mods will jump on grenades over a minor offense due to personal grievances, but let threads like these decay what little discussion is left on /v/. It almost feels intentional. The entire moderation staff on /v/ should be fired, it would be better to just let people spam cocks and gore at each other. I genuinely believe discussion would be more civil that way.

>>719228370
We did? I bet all the actually good threads happen when I'm asleep or at work god damn it

>>719228208
See OP, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Why should an arcade thread be full of dumb bait like this? Only someone with an IQ of like 30 or lower would bother engaging with you, and yet it dilutes genuine questions and real discussion. I'd rather have a 40 post thread with real questions answered instead of a 500 post thread that's all bait and shitposting.

>>719228456
It's true though, not even insulting shmup fans, but it's true
Then again the term autistic/autism has been diluted so hard by white women it's easy to forget what it actually means
See also OCD, which isn't just wanting things to be neat and orderly

>>719228518
Didn't read your post buddy

>>719228535
*bombs your post* what now huh

>>719228456
Because the point isn't having genuine shmup threads. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is more of an effort to kill discussion by making it as shitty as possible. All because some retard got filtered by the genre.

>>719207923 (OP)
I still find it incredible he managed to make that entire video and put "Self Serve Difficulty" as the title and not a single time did it occur to him that arcade games as a format are fundamentally tied to and invented the concept of self serve difficulty, not only due to dip switch difficulty settings, not even just for the idea of coin feeding vs 1cc which in modern times has removed the one barrier it had in the IRL cost factor, but that playing for score is entirely opt in and what he used to shit on the game despite it being something they've constantly stood beside as the true source of arcade depth.

>>719228751
Bruh

>>719228751
Every time you notice something like that, it doesn't count
Arcade wins again baby

>>719207923 (OP)
Your point mostly stands but
>depth
lmao please
Also you couldn't sound any more pretentious even if you tried

>>719228751
If I recall from past threads, he advocated for using save states to practice, but in a way that's another layer of self-serve difficulty, since that's not something you were intended to do in yhe arcade days.

A very curious thing is that I'm lucky enough to live near a real, proper arcade, and even the strangers there are friendly and will talk to you, play games, even if they beat you they'll talk strategy and everything
But online it's a different story

>>719229126
i bet they suck and dont bother to go for world records, unlike me and my based friendos

>>719218034
Some of these are extremely dumb, I really hope he wasn't the one that wrote them because he can't even get his own word definitions right and some are just trying to frame something already apparently understandable in a harder to read cutesy way, even if calling out the assault on friction in modern games is important. Fuck some of these are just repeats.
>Skill Ceiling Rot - The gradual lowering of difficulty as community knowledge spreads
That doesn't make any sense. The name would be Skill Floor Rot in that case.
>Execution Gate - Mechanics that are only fun if you can physically input them well.
No, it's an action that is literally gated by and requires an execution requirement of some sort, either hard or easy.
I can't even handle the rest it gets too silly.

>>719208407
>>719223628
yeah, who is Boghog? I mean Bognog

lol

>>719229126
You'd get your ass beat in nyc

>>719229326
Why do you care?
>OH MY GOSH DID ECELEB XYZ REALLY SAY *THAT*
>IVE NEVER PLAYED AN ARCADE GAME IN MY LIFE BUT HOW DARE THEY
I can look at this dudes channel and in ten seconds find out he plays tekken, which means he is retarded, so presumably people just don't care. It's like getting upset someone with down syndrome says something stupid, and yet apparently the tekken downie managed to 1cc ketsui and you haven't. And basically if you can't beat the games you're opinion does not matter. Hiding on an anonymous forum crying about ecelebs and not posting gameplay just makes you look like a schizophrenic retard who watches games instead of playing them.

>>719207923 (OP)
What the fuck do you think a mechanic is? Basic movement is a mechanic.

It was fun having a niche interest in arcade games for years, but now /v/ has shown up and shit all over everything with gatekeeping and elitism. And pushing other people away with autistic spergouts.

Arcade games have been barely hanging on by a thread, and I've wanted for years for more people to play them so we can get new games. But all these faggots have shown up and ruined everything and ensuring the death of the genre. More gatekeeping isn't needed. That's the exact opposite of what the genre needs.

>>719229752
You can still play the games man

>>719229351
HEY IM GAMING HERE

>>719229752
>I've wanted for years for more people to play them so we can get new games
People won't magically buy or play the games if you don't provide grassroots support for them.

>>719218034
>input tax
>execution gate
>skill eviction
>input charity
OK so how does he want to control a game?

>>719229752
Yeah it needs ecelebs and people whining about how they're confusing. We need to spoonfeed depressed retards from /r9k/ who will never play the games anyway and just desperately want someone to talk to them. Nice concern trolling. The fact of the matter is that arcade games are more popular than ever, there's a ton of upcoming releases to be excited about like rainchaser, and if people just post their gameplay and have fun the people who really have the capacity to learn and play them will see the value in that and do so.

Stupid concern trolling isn't going to alter reality. I don't want to discuss arcade games with someone who feeds continues into an emulator and "clears" 80 games a day then styles themselves an expert.

>>719229752
That was /vg/ and /vr/, /v/ actually does discuss arcade games
/v/ discusses them, not just blindly jerk them off like some people want though
Also Mork has done more damage than anyone on /v/ ever has

>>719229503
Now that you've asked why I supposedly care, I care slightly more than you do because you want to appeal to triviality when all I was doing was making fun of something that read very absurdly while having a general distaste for hypocrisy. I could have left out the corrections but I wanted to at least add something since I thought it might have just been a fake AI post. But seeing you get so butthurt suggests that it's all real, and I don't know what that suggests about you getting so butthurt at me poking fun at it.

I got a ShmupMAME rom pack and it doesn't have Muchi Muchi Pork
What MAME version do I play Muchi Muchi Pork on

>>719230008
>Also Mork has done more damage than anyone on /v/ ever has
The guy who's done the most damage is the guy who posts a picture of box art and makes a picture saying "X game actually sucks, debate me!" every day.

>>719230047
The second link the following

PACK POST!
Original(kept for legacy reasons): archive.org/details/shmupg-pack
Leinyan certified version(Enhanced, recommended): archive.org/details/mature-dot-dodging-games-gaiden-v-1.0.7z
A mame fork with more accuracy for CV1000(https://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/CAVE_CV1000) games: https://github.com/CoffeePope/mame-sh34

>2hu where?
nyaa.si/view/1743411
And more doujin shmups at vector.co.jp/vpack/filearea/winnt/game/shoot
https://freegame-mugen.jp/shooting/
https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/category/2

>B-But piracy is illegal!
Faggot shmups.wiki/library/Free_to_Play

Temporarily pasted anon's suggestions from some threads ago here:
pastebin.com/ZzHxJ38H

This thread kinda sucks, but if somebody asks about how to play games I gotta pack post.

>>719230047
Ask in an actual shmup thread, not a shitpost eceleb one, if you want real answers and not incredibly stupid ones from poseurs

>>719229925
5 years ago and prior there wasn't all this elitism and gatekeeping.

>>719230193
>he never visited /shmupg/

>>719230142
Yeah there's the stupid answer. Right from a literal dying general from a board where this thread was directly copy-pasted from. We really can't discuss arcade games any more. /vr/ really is the worst board.

A problem is that people here get too defensive over their genre, and when pushed they just give up
Someone might reasonably ask "Isn't Garegga literally designed to eat your money despite the gameplay being fun, due to its esoteric rank systems and insane bullshit like invisible bullets and rank not decreasing on a new coin?"
Then someone would reply with "yes but that's what gives it depth", and then you'd say "but how so?" and then discussion ceases as they call you a dumb zoomer that needs to stop playing fortnite and everything melts down

>>719230193
/v/ used to be infamous angry, it was their entire shtick, and this entire thread would just be people calling you a retard over and over.

>>719230241
That post was mostly created with /v/ stuff starting from around Sept2024, with the only exception being the very first link.

>>719229752
Gatekeeping and elitism are two very different things. You don't need to be good or knowledgeable at a game to be elitist about it, in this modern day hellscape of an industry people constantly grift off being elitist about how ignorant or bad at games they are, shitting on or trying to drag down anyone that dares to enjoy games for the challenge and demanding games be nerfed if they end up being harder than they can handle. Similarly gatekeeping has several layers to it and you can maintain identity and concepts of a genre while encouraging people to embrace them for what they are without being a cunt about it, and if the other one is who is being a cunt then there isn't much that can be done and all are better off without them. It is however important to understand when those notions are holding you yourself back from enjoying something you otherwise would.

>>719229126
I thank God every day of my life that people in real life are nothing like some of the people I’ve spoken to on 4chan.

For me it's people getting simultaneously angry if you haven't played a game but then calling you a tryhard sweat if you have

>>719230283
>yes but that's what gives it depth
No one who plays raizing games would say that. It's the answer you *want* to hear and it's why no one wants to engage with you. It's not to my benefit to explain to you how games work. These games are like 30 years old. You had literal decades to get into this. No one is telling you to start shmups with garegga. Your hubris, and watching "le best shmups ever" youtube videos has led you here, and you're desperate to catch up and fit into discussion. Garegga is a scoring game. Batrider is a scoring game. You aren't playing scoring games. Go play touhou. Go download mushihimesama on steam. Watch this:
https://youtu.be/ORR5SJ4Gag0
Learn to tap dodge and sweep. Acclimate yourself to routing. Actually 1cc the game and learn what this genre is about. Then you can think about how these harder games work and choose the games that are right for you. If I want to talk about Garegga I, personally, will make a thread on it. I don't want to answer a billion threads made by people who don't play the game demanding input from me who will be 100% of the value in the thread. This is all me giving and getting nothing in return and it's endless.

>>719230809
What discussion, faggot? Saying
>X game sucks, I don't get it
Is not discussion. Squirming and being combative as possible is not discussion. You're just trying to squeeze engagement out of people. 4chan has completely warped your brain.

>>719231021
That's not what at all happened, here's your last (You)
By the way, discussion isn't just jerking off how epic and hardcore the games are, it's discussion

I love Mark, what's your fucking problem?

I love bad Marks that's my fucking problem
Yeah I like to 1cc that's my fucking problem
I love bad Boghogs that's my fucking problem

IT'S UP
CLASSICS ARE NOW SUBVERSIVE

>>719231419
Lemme guess, does he claim that Gradius' infinite looping is better than [insert progression system in modern game]?

>>719230761
notice how one shitposter can spiral an entire community to shit?

Fun facts about arcade:
>Arcades were built for teenagers, not 30-something manchildren going through midlife crisis and desperate to seem like "true gamers"
>Average credit lasted less than 5 minutes
>99% of players just tried different cabinets instead of autistically obsessing over 1 game
>Fewer than 1% of players ever managed a 1CC
>No level select, no tool-assisted practicing, anyone using those but criticizing save state is equally a fraud
>Grinding 100 hours of practice would have cost you more than a modern gacha addiction
>Anyone can improve after 100 hours of practice, the real question is: who actually cares?
>For most people, arcades were casual distractions and about short flashy fun, didn't care about challenge or scoring
>The real money-makers were racing games, not shmups
>Gimmick peripherals like steering wheels, motorbike rigs, light guns and dance pads drove the biggest crowds
>Arcades were the Call of Duty of their day: endless sequels and copy-pasted variations
>They were also the graphics whoring of their time: flashy sprites, loud audio, gimmicky cabinets, people just played whatever looked coolest on the floor
>People just mashed buttons randomly, most had no clue about combos, frame data, input lag, CRT and nerd shit like that
>Average arcade game was CYBER NINJA STEROIDS COMMANDO TURBO III, not 2hu schoolgirls for gay homos
>Even back then, players called them unfair die-and-retry quarter munchers, IGN didn’t invent the dislike to justify modern design
>Had about as much depth and popularity as a pinball machine, and nobody’s out here elitist gatekeeping pinball

>>719229347
Your cover was blown from the start

Fact: just calling your post a fact or truth nuke doesn't make it true

>>719233846
>Tiny percentage of arcade players made it to later stages of the game.
>Basically nobody was fighting TLBs
>Based devs made them anyway for those dedicated few

>>719231419
He doesn't say that
>>719232074
He doesn't say that either.

What is so compelling about strawmaning mork? The Mork in anons' heads and the Mork on The electric underground are two completely different people.

>>719234326
>he doesn't say that
>literally says it in big letters

>>719234405
He still doesn't say it

>>719234474
It's in massive big letters in the video
So he'd do that but not say it? So he's a lying retard, got it

>>719207923 (OP)
>depth, intricacy and quality
"Pay us and we'll give you an extra life"
TOPKEK
TRVTHNVKE: Gayrcade was the mobile slop of its time

>>719234582
MDS

>>719235101
???

>>719234638
It's based. The only way they could do it any better is
>die in the game die in real life
Real world consequences to being a noob.

>>719234638
That's what I thought, so I asked /vr/ to explain how that's wrong, then they called me a casual faggot with zero refutation to my original point

>>719235158
Mork
Derangement
Syndrome

>>719235201
>You must indulge my faggotry or it means I'm right
nigger

>>719235278
>politely ask for my apparently false notions to be disproven
>they aren't
>this is my fault

>>719235441
>Faggots have been spamming the same question as a troll for years
>But you have to keep a pasta to reply to a homo that asks for the 1001st time.

>>719235507
I came to the board genuinely asking, ready to have my mind changed, and this is what I get

>>719235546
Your the straight-laced black guy that happens to be wearing their hoodie at night. I'm still going to cross the road to avoid you, regardless of your employment, having grown up with a dad, etc.

>>719235653
So why is asking for discussion bad?

>>719234326
>He doesn't say that either.
I was making a guess, so do share what he does claim for the class.

>he doesn't say that
>he just put it in massive letters on the thumbnail because uhhh

Are you going to talk about arcade games/shmups or is the entire thread just shitflinging?

>>719207923 (OP)
And playing with broken controls adds an extra layer of difficulty because Jamal kicked them last time he got a game over! Skill required!

>>719237690
Be the change you want to see

>>719237787
I make non-bait shmups thread from time to time but they either die early or somebody starts shit.

>>719237841
If you're the OP, be mindful not to quote a specific YouTuber.

>Game last 20 min at most
It better be perfectly designed, honestly.
Shmups are too hard.

>>719237909
Obviously not OP of this thread, this one is blatant Mork bait.

>>719237690
>try to talk about arcade games
>get told im a shitposting gatekept zoomer
>get told i was some random guy in a /vr/ thjread because everyone is everyone else on 4chan
Cool, nice discussion

>>719208295
I read an article comparing some video game mechanics with racing simulators. I think the writer was the guy named Bognog that you mentioned. That article doesn't make much sense, and that's coming from someone who plays both arcade games and racing simulators.

I feel like this weird new trend of trying so hard to be a le deep design guru is causing people to miss the joy from games
It's like dissecting them too much takes away a certain something from it

>>719237690
I want to understand why people say Caladrius Blaze is so easy. I saw someone set its difficulty level to 0 (ZERO) on a list of 1cc shmups. But I can't seem to learn how to play that game. It seems super difficult to me.

>>719238979
There's nothing deep in verbalizing your thoughts and emotions after beating a game. Almost nobody is actively "analyzing" game design while playing.

>>719239338
Depends, what did they rate higher? What rating did they give to Battle Garegga if at all?

>>719239619
Battle Garegga isn't on the list, but Ketsui is level 21, Strikers 1945 is level 20, Mushimesama is level 13, Deathsmiles is level 9, and Batsugun Special Version is level 3.
One thing I found insane is that Vasara is level 17 on that list, but I find that game so easy since you can destroy the projectiles with your sword. It's a game where I can reach the last boss without dying, even though I'm not a pro player.

>>719240180
There are some things on the list that might not be fully accurate but I still refer to it whenever I boot up a game just to get an estimate of difficulty

>>719239338
difficulty lists are bullshit

>>719237690
OP thinks this is proper shmup discussion and you're encouraging further threads like this. I can 100% guarantee you a pissy janny made the thread

>>719208295
shut the fuck up you autistic motherfucker

>>719242096
Totally organic bump

>>719242096
The mask is slipping

>>719242143
What mask? Im just sick of having yet another fucking schizo everywhere
Now I cant discuss arcade games either
FUCK YOU

>>719242026
>I can 100% guarantee you a pissy janny made the thread
Oh there's no doubt it's a janny. This is a 12 hour old 200 post thread. Hell half of the posts are probably OP. Who else would sit here all day and do this