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the greatest character in vidya history

>>720092617 (OP)
Not even the greatest character in his own game.

>>720093027
Renoir was right. Verso is good because he does what Renoir would want in the end

it's pretty funny how the two Renoirs have completely opposite objectives and yet they are both 100% in the right at the same time

>>720092617 (OP)
I like the “cool old guy” look. I hope I stay a chad when Im old

>>720093027
maelle/alicia mogs both

>>720092617 (OP)
He looks like Mike Redbar

>>720092617 (OP)
>couldn't save his son
>couldn't save his family
>couldn't keep his wife from abusing their daughter
>too retarded to hire a grief counselor or a therapist for the family

I FUCKING HATE VERSO. KILL ALL VERSO NIGGERS. TOTAL VERSO NIGGER DEATH.

>>720093027
can a brother get a tldr?

>>720095317
Maelle's story beats are too predictable to be interesting, and Alicia's just crazy.
Verso's character has layers with far more depth.

>>720095847
Eh, not really. It would require full context of the story. I'd be surprised if that 30-minute video managed to cover it all.

>>720095432
>1900s France
They were fucked and dragging Alicia out while the Writers v. Painters war is still going on is cruel compared to to letting her gently euthanize herself for the last vestiges of happiness of her life and saving the canvas.
Fuck Aline.

ladies and gentlemen, we've found our live-action Maelle

>>720096026
>live-action
Seriously, why.
Just make the entire movie CG with updated models from the game.

>>720096026
100% BUTTER FACE

>>720096089
>he doesn't know
anon, the live-action movie version was already green-lit and in production before the game even released

>>720095872
I think that was the point too. Especially when she became self-aware and a painter again. No one was completely sure how much of the canvas was just attuned to everyone's larp to a degree other then Renior and Momma when she isn't insane. pVerso was most fucked by this because since he had the soul piece, he wasn't a npc like everyone else but he was pretty damn close and he hated it.

Everyone starts bitching at Alicia's actions later on because she may have set it up for her to go on an adventure with her as the hero, and was making it even worse when she regained her memories and it was crushing Renior.

What the fuck is this thread? Fags and women, retards and trannies

>>720096592
So which one are you?

>>720096192
.........what the fuck man

>>720097607
I wonder which ending they'll be making "canon" or just come up with a third ending instead.

>>720097607
Are they going to do a single movie or something?

>>720092617 (OP)
The architect and his stupid family of architects

>>720092617 (OP)
someone post that webm of him getting his mouth opened by the fat zombie.

>>720093027
>Literal piece if shit
>perfect character

sure if you are a fucking sociopath

>>720097607
I don’t see this ever coming out, the studio who bought the rights has like 20 IP adaptations yet to produce and they just bought the rights to make a Life is Strange show for Amazon

>>720098721
after how successful the game is I can see them doing more than one

>>720096592
you'll never be a woman, faggot troon retard

Alicia did nothing wrong.
90% of you would have done the same thing in her place.
Fuck this life and fuck her stupid, abusive family.

>>720092617 (OP)
Renoir did literally nothing wrong

>>720100670
>90% of you would have done the same thing in her place.
If I was a woman driven by emotions like Alicia, yeah of course I'd have a dumb woman moment

>>720100717
He did plenty wrong.
Empathetic diplomat he is not.

>>720100867
You are on /v/. You are driven by emotions on a daily basis.

>>720096192
>>720097607
It's not in the works at all, the devs are in contact with a studio to potentially do a movie, nothing is greenlit, it's just a possibility
This is coming straight from the CEO
https://youtu.be/hARc2aQ54MU?feature=shared&t=4705
H also said the agency that put them in contact with Hollywood are the same that handle hte sonic IP

>>720101304
Any potential movie needs Andy Serkis reprising his role as Renoir
It'll be soulless otherwise

I just finished this game 30 minutes ago (well at least the main story). Can someone catch me up on all the discussion for the last 3 months

>>720092617 (OP)
>Be a thin, quasi crippled sub par surrealist painter
>Your talented chara designer wife draws you as a suited up scarred gigachad who uses a cane only for the style
>Is a better father and protector than you
Imagine being cucked by your own fanart.

>>720101782
Why did Alicia turn out so great but not Verso?

>>720102557
>Aline can remake her family
>Turned her husband into a younger gigachad version of him
>Copied Clea and Verso because they're perfect
>Kept Alicia a disfigured and mute cripple because fuck her
Yeah, I understand why Maelle/Alicia would rather stay in the painting. I wouldn't want to see my mom again after knowing that.

>>720102928
Friendly reminder that first thing Aline does upon seeing Maelle/Alicia in person is trying to set her face on fire, because fuck Alicia.
Yeah, I don't think this family is going to easily reconcile.

>>720100867
>Driven by emotion
>As opposed to Verso's "AIEE I WANT TO KMS AND EVERYONE BECAUSE I AM LE SAD"
Verso is the emotional one. Alicia sees a world where her friends are and where's she's not a cripple. So yeah obviously she would stay.
Also The painted world is no less real than the "real" world.
At any moment irl God can show up and have a scuffle with his wife and we find out our existence is just God's DnD session, it doesn't make our existence and lives any less real.

>>720095847
suicidal lying ass nigga with mommy issues that fucks you're waifus

>>720100717
>Family, see my paintings of you
>Aline, you are an airhead
>Clea, you are a tryhard
>Verso, you are a liar
>Alicia, you are a cute little girl that will reach for the stars!
He plays favorites

>>720095847
He was created by Aline, who was the mother of the real Verso, who died in a fire in their home. She painted him perfectly, with all the same memories, emotions, and motivations as the real Verso, but painted Verso is trapped in the canvas with all the knowledge of what the real Verso was on top of the immeasurable, world-shattering suffering and misery the canvas people endure. He wants the painting to be erased not only to end everyone's suffering but so that the real Dessendre family can try to move past their grief over his real counterpart's death, no matter how painful it is for him

>>720100670
I would have let Verso die and paint myself 5 Gustaves

>>720103331
And amusingly enough, the one most upset with their portrayal is Alicia
>dad, ffs, I am a mute, disfigured cripple, just like that dad telling his legless daughter that she can become a ballerina once she believes in it hard enough, this shit won't fly. Stop putting so much pressure on me.

>>720103543
>the one most upset with their portrayal is Alicia
Not at all, Clea was so disgusted with Aline's painting of her that she turned it into a brainless automaton that kills itself the instant it regains a semblance of clarity

>>720103635
We are talking about axons.

>>720101782
Does painted Renoir also come with a magnum dong?

>>720103767
2 feet long
Aline is a size queen

>>720103428
Honestly, I found it very hard to empathize with Verso in the end.
I guess Alicia's take was more relatable and down to earth. It all boiled down to:
>I am painted and therefore have an existential crisis and a such all of you must die
Vs
>I don't want to live the rest of my life as a disfigured cripple in an abusive and toxic family where my only way out is to either escape to another painting or kill myself.

>>720103662
She hated hers too and made her painted version's bf kill it after making him take paint roids

>>720102928
>Copied Clea and Verso because they're perfect
I really doubt that a rich boy amateur musician that spent his free time playing with his imaginary friends inside a painting was as ripped as painted Verso.
And she gave painted Clea a gigachad bf probably because she is not happy that Clea is unmarried.

>>720105487
Seriously, it's 1905, she's in her 30's still unmarried and lives with her parents.
To be fair, Verso had the same issue.

>>720101782
Counterpoint: painted Renoir is completely pussy-whipped.

>>720092617 (OP)
OKAY E33 TRANNIES ARE GETTING DELUSIONAL AGAIN

>>720092617 (OP)
>>720093027
About time someone actually post the best.

>>720092617 (OP)
>i should be allowed to genocide an entire world because my family is mentally ill
Nah, btw there's nothing wrong with that motivation but how he was treated by the story was awful, him and verso should've been treated as genocidal maniacs

>>720105841
Despite being programmed to enable all of Aline's bullshit at least he seemed to be nice to painted Alicia.

>>720106318
But anon escapism is le bad! Despite the painting world being described as real by literally everyone is just escapism for you Alicia!
Now go back to your cripple life Alicia with a mother and a sister that fucking hate your guts.

>>720107503
Clea doesn't necessarily hate her guts, she just thinks that tough love is going to help the depressed and self-loathing disabled burn victim.
Spoiler: it won't help.

>>720107503
Yeah, addiction to escapism is bad, deal with it

>>720109306
To be fair, what else Alicia has left outside of escapism?
A toxic family? Lol.

>>720109306
Except in this case it's literally anither world where she has a actual loving family. Why do people always conveniently omit that Alicia got literally reborn as Maelle while talking about this topic?

>>720093253
yeah it's cool how both their objectives are just saving their family at all costs
>I love them too
pure kino

>>720108881
I mean Clea is ignoring her own grief and emotional needs because SOMEONE has to actually do the irl work/fighting to keep the family alive, from her pov it's completely reasonable to expect at least some of this from everyone else. I don't think she hates Alicia at all, just can't afford to coddle her at that time.

>>720110745
She's not ignoring her own grief, that her way of coping with grief. By being an agressive bitch towards everybody.
She thinks her way of dealing with grief is the most efficient, while in reality, she's not helping anyone.

>>720092617 (OP)
>make him look like Pierce Brosnan
>voiced by Andy Circus
I wonder if they tried to get Pierce first

>>720111002
Serkis
fuck I'm tired

>>720104036
It's almost impossible to empathize with him if you've done all the side content. He becomes almost comically evil when you realize how much he's lied and murdered to get what he wants, which, ironically, is his own death.

>>720101782
Aline painted him the way she sees the real Renoir

A child choses Alicia's ending. An adult realises Verso is absolutely in the right.

>wife gets away from him
>wife creates copy of him
>wife fucks this copy instead of him
>he keeps loving her
idk, seems a cuck a to me

>>720111316
It's the other way around. Verso's ending is only morally correct if you don't think about implications.
Maelle's ending is a real redpill ending. Sometimes, your situation is so fucked, the real world is not worth it.

>>720111560
>t. child

>>720092617 (OP)
>>720093027
Congrats on playing your first game ever. Now start playing a second one and you might come across something that's actually well-written for a change.

>>720111616
In Verso's ending you just fuck yourself over for no reason.
Why the fuck would I ever want to live the rest of my life as a disfigured cripple in a family that's annoyed by my very presence? What's the fucking point outside of you arbitraily deciding "it's the right thing to do, because reasons".

I don't give a single flying fuck about any Dessendre. The look on Sciel's face during Verso's ending is enough to show he is wrong.

>>720111848
Verso's ending is accepting that working on your grief as a family is better than using magic painter heroin to live in a fantasy world.
Every adult also sees that the situation is far from hopeless, too.

>>720098919
There's a difference between a good character and a good person. Verso is a good character (written well) but not a good person.

>>720092617 (OP)
>the greatest character in vidya history
Quit your shilling I will never touch this game.

>>720112947
The issue is that Alicia's problems don't begin and end with grief. Sure, she can work out her grief 700 times in a row, but that won't change the fact that's she's a cripple that can barely function in a real life without help.

>>720098919
A character doesnt need to be a good person to be a good character.

>>720111002
>make him look like Pierce Brosnan
>make Aline thin

>>720111143
she also painted Clea the way she saw her. Nicer than the real Clea, so Clea just went apeshit and fucking mind broke her own painted version

>>720114858
Clea did it because she needed to help Renoir get Aline out of the Canvas, so he could come back to the real world to handle real world shit with her. She's pretty explicit about it

>>720111086
It's more than his own death, because just to kill himself is piss easy. He can walk down into Renoir's drafts at any point and get himself gommaged.
>>720113325
She's bodily able and is all the way through puberty. Her lungs and throat are fucked but as far as burn victims go she got out near-mint.Get her a fake eye ahd men will still line up to marry into her family. Her life will be harder than it could have been but easier than most anyone else in her age.

>>720115037
Fun fact: if Clea wanted to be efficient, she could've ended this whole canvas crisis by herself if she just put some effort into it. But instead she did bare minimum to help Renoir and then proceeded to blame everybody for their incompetence. She also has grieving issues.

>>720093027
Reminder that if it wasn't for Maelle being a liar bitch and her mother they shouldn't need to destroy the canvas

>>720115330
>Her lungs and throat are fucked
>but as far as burn victims go she got out near-mint
That means she'll die of sepsis or some respiratory complication in a few years. Also, she's half-blind.

>>720115594
STOP QUOTING PAPA

>>720115605
If she was going to die of the lung damage it would have happened already. She doesn't seem to have horrible trouble breathing or moving around, just speaking. If her lungs were beyond the pale she likely would struggle just to walk. Her lungs are probably scorched and lightly scarred because of how toasted her throat is, but she's fine.
>half blind
So what? She can see, she can hear, she can smell, she got off mute and wheezy with a bit of baconface. This definitely isn't worth killing herself over.

>>720115809
She literally keeps saying that breathing is painful for her.

>>720100670
I wouldn't have had a dumb woman moment that got my brother killed and me crippled. I would not have done the same thing in her place. This game really brings out all the feminized men when you see all the alicia defenders.

>>720116003
And it is, and it will be. Her lungs are scarred, and scar tissue doesn't like to stretch which breathing demands. But her function isn't reduced beyond what a rich heiress would require.

>>720105639
The backdrop to it all says they are in a war time state with The Writers. Not exactly the time to get married.

>>720105639
>she's in her 30's still unmarried and lives with her parents.
I can fix her

>>720116242
I don't think she needs fixing, she's the powerhouse of the entire family. If anything she needs someone to let her wind down because she's fucking carrying the Dessandres.

>>720116349
Ok, she can fix me then after she's done fixing her shitty family

crazy to think a therapist would have literally solved everything and given you the perfect ending

just let alicia and her mom visit the canvas like once a month or something and everything is solved

what's so difficult about that?

>>720116103
You forgot about the chronic pains. She's most likely going to be hooked up on opioids for the rest of her life.

>>720116393
She's going to be painting for the rest of her life. Did you forget she's a freshly awakened painter and that Verso's canvas isn't hers? She'll have a comfortable wealth, a grand escape, and plenty of access to physicians for any complications. Her life will be long and imperfect but probably happy. This is definitely better than keeling over in a couple of months or years from paint overdose in order to write "I didn't get my bother killed" fanfiction.

>>720116513
...so the only solution out of her conundrum is escapism? The very thing Renoir deemed bad?

>>720116376
that's like a therapist at an alcohol anonymous meeting that the solution is fine just drink in moderation.

>>720116592
She can escape in a healthy and productive manner through painting. Presumably painters serve some grander function than fucking around in canvases all day, which she can do once she takes the brother flavored gun out of her mouth. She would live in the manner her family is accustomed but with chest pain for deep breathing and one eye.

>>720116513

>Escapism is le bad
>Still has her magic powers to get lost in, with Verso himself encouraging her to be Maelle in other worlds

The only thing that Verso changed is she'll die in her own Canvas instead of Verso's. No one ever had an answer for her when she asked what kind of life she was supposed to have as a burnt cripple

>>720116035
>This game really brings out all the feminized men when you see all the alicia defenders.
They can't understand Verso because they are not like Verso.

>>720116742
An exceptionally wealthy and comfortable one, just not as comfortable as it could have been. She's utterly addicted to this canvas for reasons that cannot be true of her own, and furthermore once her family situation is wrapped up and they can finally get over their grief they can teach the poor girl.

>>720111758
don't act as if video games were well written. There's only a handful of them that are worth it in that department

>>720116923
You do realize that wealth won't solve her problems, right?
You sound almost jealous.

>>720117069
No, wealth won't bring back her eye, or unscar her face, or unfry her vocal chords, or unscar her lungs. But she will be living better than most of the able bodied that don't have a family mansion and aren't superpowered. Her powers will also let her work without any of the pain towards whatever ends Painters actually do.

>>720117171
You assume she won't be miserable regardless, even with all that wealth.

>>720117256
I assume her misery will be lessened and joy will find its way in. Burn victims aren't sentenced to a life of eternal depression and angst in reality, and I don't think they are in superpower 1900s France.

>>720101563
Which kind of ending?

>>720111316
>i will paint you as the soijak and myself as gigachad

>>720117617
Sounds like something Renoir would do

>>720092617 (OP)
OP here, sorry posted the wrong pic

>>720116657
yes, control yourself and ween off, instead of quitting cold turkey
your analogy works especially well considering insta quitting will kill you if youre alcoholic enough

Does painted Verso have part of the real Verso's soul attached to him or was he made entirely out of Aline's headcanon of him?

>>720118058
He's her memories of him, he's inevitably tainted by her perception like how Renoir isn't quite that handsome or fashionable.

>>720117647
The axon areas were so fucking cool, like they were consuming mushrooms while making them

>>720118058
>Does painted Verso have part of the real Verso's soul attached to him
Only in the sense that everything else in the painting does, otherwise yes he's made purely from Aline's chroma. What is interesting though is she painted him as a charismatic swindler who lies and deceives at every available opportunity. Renoir also painted a facsimile of him with similar themes as the Mask Keeper axon. What sort of person was he if even his parents who loved him dearly saw him that way?

>>720118058
how could aline paint him with all the memories of the real verso in the first place, she should have no way of knowing those
seems like painting is just going "this is verso, heres some traits of him" and then canvasGPT magically fills in the details
so it could go either way

>>720118450
Isn't it heavily implied that irl Verso pretty much killed himself in the fire he would easily escape from?

>>720118754
I don't know about "heavily" but yes I thought the same.

>>720118737
My headcanon is that Aline used the soul in Verso's canvas to make him which is part of why he went against his programming, and if painted Verso dies then the canvas world crumbles along with him which is why Maelle will make him play the piano forever.

>>720118450
Apparently, he was a stepford smiler. It is implied he was miserable in his life, but kept putting up a facade of a charming guy not to upset his family.
I still think Dessendres were fucked way before the accident, the accident was the last straw that made all of it blow up.

>>720118754
Correct, so he clearly is capable of acting with extreme selflessness, and his parents also loved him strongly enough that their family is bent out of shape by his death. That's why it's so intriguing to me that they both independently painted him as a con merchant who can't open his mouth without lying.

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>>720119082
The man cut himself in half and then lied about the pain for a cheap gag. He's a people pleaser to an insane degree.

>>720092617 (OP)
blurry individual

>>720119082
His parents knew he really had issues opening himself, from his art alone.
Even when he switches to music renoir thinks the same.
BUT he really, really loved his family to the point both versos do the exact same thing (kills himself for the sake of his retarded sister).

>>720119129
>ITS GOT DIVERSE FRANCE WITH BLACKS AND ASIANS (TOTALLY 1800S?? AUTHENTIIIIC!!)

That's painted France you fucking moron, it's not supposed to be authentic, and even if it was, that's just where everyone converged after the Fracture, they're not all from there. Dumb bitch.

>>720119296
That's why I think this family is fundamentally fucked. Because a well-adjusted family does not produce such damaged children
>Clea is an overachieving cunt that wants her mommy and daddy to love her the most.
>Verso has issues with opening himself
>Alicia has cripplingly low self-esteem, to the point she becomes a shut-in NEET.

Yeah it's pretty bullshit no one thinks about how living life as a fucked up disabled ugly half blind retard would suck
They don't have to live that life so it's so easy for them to say
>OHH JUST GROW UP BITCH STOP LIVING IN FANTASY
When they don't look like a fucking melted candle + aids + chronic pain

>>720119475
Classic demanding parents.
Clea was like that as a child too, she wants EVERYTHING.
Alicia was normal, just shy and shit at painting.
Verso is the true mystery, basically the golden boy who kept letting his parents down.

>>720119548
Anon she has some facial burns and a lost eye. People live and lived with far worse.

>>720119672
Would you willingly agree to have a burned face and a missing eye, even if the alternative of living a healthy life exists?
And don't give me "yes, for the sake of my family", because Alicia's family doesn't give a shit about her.

>>720095432
>a grief counselor or a therapist for the family
>1905

>>720119760
>because Alicia's family doesn't give a shit about her.
>brother dies for her, twice
>father is willing to genocide a whole world for her
>clea cares, in her own way
>aline actually loves her (comes to her rescue during the fucking final fight) but her grief is overbearing
You speak like a retarded teenager.

>>720119760
Healthy life for how long? She's dead in the canvas. I don't think her dear mom or pop was in there for even years, and they're experienced painters. Sure it'll take longer for her to die than the two months she'll last in reality, but she's a physically damaged little girl who just learned how to paint. I give her thirty years of idyllic fanfiction before she kicks it.

>>720119828
>father is willing to genocide a whole world for her
He's not genociding the world for her, specifically, he just does that because HE wants his family back. He's doing it for himself, because he clearly keeps ignoring Alicia's arguments.
>brother dies for her, twice
Well, the second time he did it for himself, it just so happens that it saved Alicia as a part of domino effect.
>aline actually loves her (comes to her rescue during the fucking final fight)
She didn't come to save Alicia, but to spite Renoir. She can't even be bothered to acknowledge her existance.

>>720119475
Most of that is just normal shit that comes with having a family.
The most fucked up part by far is Aline keeping Alicia as a mute burn victim that even has to wear a mask to hide her face in a world where Verso is still alive.

>>720119978
Yeah, retarded teenager confirmed.

>>720119902
>She's dead in the canvas
Some 50-60 years in a canvas surrounded by people who love her, compared to 10-20 years of painful existance in real life sounds like a good deal.

>>720119996
I mean, she talks about it in her diaries, she's half punishing her half wanting to admit the fire happened.
And she can't bear to see her face.
Aline was not sane already when she made a fucking fake family.

>>720119672
She can't speak and is in pain even when she breathes
She deserves escapism at this point there's nothing else better for her

>>720119672
and she has an option to live without a burned face and missing eye
but nooo she must not use it because it is just escapism VR

>>720120048
There's no reason to think her life has been meaningfully shortened by her burns. She has some amount of lung scarring, that's as bad as it gets. Her wounds were clearly clean and not even full thickness. Her facial flesh still has form.

>>720120101
>>720120081
She's literally a painter, she can go live in reality and still paint, she just needs to let go of this canvas because it's broken and powered by an unwilling demiurge. It's a morass of unhealed trauma. She can go on to paint as much as she likes in her own goddamned canvasses in service to whatever the Dessandres actually do for a living.

>>720092617 (OP)
This was probably the most Reddit game in history, I bet it blew your tiny mind when they did lebigreveal that you were actually playing a stealth Isekai all along.
Teenagers first fanfic tier writing

>>720119421
DAMN THAT DEI MONEY SURE WAS TEMPTING HUH? KEKAROO

>>720120192
Art and sculpture, really fucking expensive art and sculpture.

>>720120126
It's 1905 medicine level and she has severe third-degree burns. I am giving her 20 years top, and that's ignoring the possibility of her overdosing on the opioids.

>>720120005
You can't refute him

>>720120192
>to whatever the Dessandres actually do for a living.
They got rich selling paintings of Clea's feet

>>720092617 (OP)
Looks like Joel from some WEG lmao

It's clearly stated in the game that Alicia could make and live in as many paintings she wants. People are acting like it's this painting or nothing.
There's clearly a discussion to be had about this game, but everyone seems overly retarded.
It's like some of you are attributing your own identity to a fucking videogame ending.

Have the frogs still not said who the fuck the boy in Maelle's ending meant to be?

>>720120192
Did they really have to kill everyone living inside the painting though? Thousands of lives lost
>THEY NOT REAL DOE!
Who decided that?

>>720120252
Anon WW1 happened in reality, and people lived on with truly horrifying burns. She has an elevated risk of skin cancer and an elevated risk of lung cancer. She's hardly doomed. She HAD severe third degree burns, and they weren't full thickness because she still has use of her entire face.

>>720120354
Were aline and alicia willing to leave otherwise?
This is on them being jukies.

>>720120339
It's blatantly obvious that it's the piece of Verso's soul.
Do you need the devs to tell you that the water in the painting is wet too?

>>720120354
Renoir wants to be 100% certain so he's taking extreme action. Verso thinks that Versoul is tired and seems to have been correct. Unfortunately the Lumierans are caught between warring gods, and their world is doomed no matter what. Maelle wins out? She dies in half a year and the family fucking TORCHES that canvas.

>>720120338
Because this argument breaks the moral of the game in half
>nooooo, you can't live in this painting, you have to face reality!
>my reality sucks, how am I supposed to live my life?
>I dunno, escape to another painting or some shit

>>720120309
>pierce brosnan

>>720120516
Anon, having escapism isn't terrible, especially when the escapism is productive, like art. Alicia can go make infinite worlds. But she wants to kill herself in her brother's painting to pretend like she didn't kill him. She's committing suicide through escapism.

>>720120562
So... what makes you think she won't try to kill herself in another painting by pretending she's not a cripple?
Because that's the other part of her argument that everybody, including the game itself, keeps ignoring.

>>720120641
She might, but she's got a lot less going for her own canvasses and she'll also have an actual family to support her. By herself, she's a shit painter. Anyone else in the household can defeat her in her own canvas.

>>720120730
>she'll also have an actual family to support her.
But the entire point is that her own family does not support her in the slightest. Clea treats her as a nuisance, Aline is spiteful towards her and Renoir claims he loves her, but goes ballistic everytime she questions him.

>>720120867
>does not support her in the slightest
>don't want to pain?
>want to write (we hate writers)?
>ok, here, a million books and a typewriter
Yeah, they HATE her.

>>720120867
Clea clearly wants her to grow and get better, Aline is actually really fucking spiteful and needs to get over it, and Renoir is being repeatedly told DAD I WANT TO KILL MYSELF AND MAYBE ALSO MOM so of course he fucking puts his foot down. Everyone can see Alicia isn't okay.

>>720119786
A single lobotomy would have spared them a lifetime of grief.

>>720120641
I think you need to think on this some more.
There's clearly a very real danger to becoming addicted to specific paintings with Aline, Renoir and Alicia all having done it, but no other painting will have Verso's soul in it. This painting is the only that will have a true piece of him and it's obviously what led Aline astray.
With Alicia also being unknowingly reborn into the canvas and raised by Gustave has given her powerful connections to him and you could easily see how this is also one of the reasons she can't let this painting go.

>>720120867
No. The entire point is that the family needs to support each other and not drown themselves in grief. This declaration that there will be no reconciliation is entirely headcanon bullshit

>>720120950
>and Renoir is being repeatedly told DAD I WANT TO KILL MYSELF AND MAYBE ALSO MOM
She keeps asking Renoir what life she's supposed to have in the real world and he doesn't have an answer for her. She even tells him he's treating her as she's incapable of making her own choices and he just agrees and calls his despressed, crippled daughter an idiot. Father of the year.

>>720120998
>This declaration that there will be no reconciliation is entirely headcanon bullshit
Because we have to take the game's word for it. We haven't seen anybody in the family making any steps towards reconciliation. Everybody just kept forcing their own will on others. And it ends with Alicia being forcibly booted out of the canvas with no means to properly process her issues.

>>720121159
Her choice is killing herself. At 16. She is an idiot. Renoir not blowing smoke up her ass to tell her that her life will be nothing but roses and magic is fine, he's not the bullshit wizard his son was.

>>720120474
>Maelle wins out? She dies in half a year and the family fucking TORCHES that canvas.
And how long is half a year in canvas terms? Renoir has been in the canvas at least 66 canvas years, Aline even longer, 100 maybe? It's said by Clea that they had been in other canvases much longer. So how long until Maelle dies, 200 years? I don't think Renoir is justified in killing everyone in the canvas on the basis that they are likely to die anyway in 7 or 8 generations time, any more than you or I would be justified in murdering whoever we wanted if we found out the world is going to end in 2200.

>>720121264
The game ends with everyone gathering around Verso's grave to grieve, which is the first step they need towards reconciliation.

>>720121267
Well, Renoir can't even be bothered to give her an argument as to why should she return home on her own in the first place. He just keeps saying that he needs his family back, but it's not about him at this point.

>>720121303
She's not going to last as long as her mother or father. I give the canvas 60 more (internal) years at max. She's an inexperienced painter with injuries.

>>720121303
>I would be justified in murdering whoever we wanted if we found out the world is going to end in 2200.
Isn't that literally the plot of Death Stranding?

>>720121408
>I give the canvas 60 more (internal) years at max
That's more than she'll have in real life. That's more than 80% of people had in 1905.

>>720096026
The entire crux of the story hinges on the player feeling a connection to all of Maelle's companions, which is mainly achieved by allowing you to control them and see their perspectives. It's literally impossible to do the same in a movie.

Of course, normalfags do not understand this in the slightest and would clap and holler when they recognize Thing™.

>>720121457
And if she's not a fucking idiot and killing herself in her first canvas, she could live for millennia in countless worlds.

>>720121534
The crux of this game, unlike in let's say TLOU, is that player is in the end presented with an impossible choice and told to pick a side. You can't really recreate that in a linear medium.

>>720120446
>water in the painting is wet
how do you know that
maybe its CHROMA

>>720121534
>Of course, normalfags do not understand this in the slightest and would clap and holler when they recognize Thing™.
Watch how they piss and shit themselves when they see CGI Esquie and when it's a different VA they will turn full shill-mode by saying "it's fine", "stop nitpicking" and "who cares?".

>>720121536
But she wants to live and die among her friends in this world.

>>720121657
That too, but I'd argue that the choice is so difficult precisely because of what I've mentioned. Very few people would struggle with deciding the fate of the canvas if the companions were all unlikeable retards that we only get to see in cutscenes.

>>720121714
She has no concept of anything because she's a damaged child. I no more respect the life choices of a 16 year old than I do a 13 year old or a 12 year old. She has undergone two separate adolescences and come out none the wiser but several times more unstable.

>>720121746
Eh, for me it was less about the canvas people and more about both Alicia and Verso having good arguments on their side, which made the final choice really hard.
Which is why I was disappointed once I realized that the game went pro-Verso in the end, instead of making both choices viable.

>>720095847
>director creates self-insert
>usurps protagonist role a third of the way into the story
>fuck every female companion (except his little sister) despite being a shady fuck who constantly betrays them
>worst dialogue in the game
>gets everyone killed
>fucks everyone again despite having them killed after one trauma dump cutscene (he gives reddit sardonic responses to every single dialogue option)
>only good ending is supposed to make you feel bad for him
>successfully carries out a genocide and undermines the entire theme of the story (or at least how it started)
This nigga made me wish I was playing FFXIII instead.

>>720121842
For the sake of your future kids, I hope you grow out of this sentiment at some point.

>>720096026
As much as I like Kathryn Newton... She's 28 years old already

>>720122037
"Sorry dad, I NEED to kill myself" the 16 year old cried.
"No, son, you're going to therapy" I reply back, smacking my cane on the ground reverberating my will throughout the world.

>>720122119
There is no therapy in 1905

>>720122143
Group psychotherapy literally began in 1905.

>>720121926
>both choices viable
That's the point. Both Verso and Alicia represents two different outcomes of grief.
If you think giving in to the addiction instead of overcoming your grief would give an equal "happy" ending to the other one, then allow me to tell you: it's going to hurt bad when you'll loose someone you care about.

Alicia's ending is good in the sense that she's living her life selfishly for her own gain (which is fine), but it's a slow burn because she's essentially dooming the canvas with her future death.
Verso's ending is ending the canvas so that Alicia and Aline can try to move on, since they can't on their own and would rather kill themselves.

>>720120446
Nah he's genuinely smiling. Not something the piece of verso would do. My bet is that he's Verso and Lune's kinda rapebaby

>>720122243
But this misses the argument of Alicia being a cripple. She literally keeps asking "what life do you expect me to return to" and nobody has an answer for her. That's the gotcha card she has.
And I dislike equaling Aline with Alicia, because their issues are very different. Aline's pain is psychological, Alicia's psychological AND physical.

>>720120948
Stored in a fucking SECRET ROOM. You must be retarded

Reminder that Verso is such an insane liar that he's not even capable of understanding when he's being genuine, or why he makes the decisions he does
The only unambiguously true thing to come out of his mouth is "I don't want this life", and that's somehow also the most hypocritical and retarded thing he said
The actual reason he was upset at Alicia dying was because he couldn't confront the idea that she wanted to, that she could ever feel the same way he does, and he thought he could convince her otherwise because he assumed her reasons for doing so must have been as shallow and invalid as his were
It bothered him so much because it would break the last pretense he had for wanting to erase the canvas, he can't even consider it because he needs to keep pretending it wasn't just to satisfy his own shortsighted ennui

>>720122357
I actually thought anon meant the little boy painting, but he's obviously in both endings.
I apologize to the anon I barked at. I responded too fast without properly reading his post.

>>720120998
>This declaration that there will be no reconciliation is entirely headcanon bullshit
No, I take Verso's ending, the one in, you know, EVERYONE IS FUCKING SEPARATED AT VERSO'S GRAVE AND THEY ALL GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS KEEPING ALICIA ALONE as face value.

>>720122521
>why he makes the decisions he does
Get out and flee
I beg you
Flee this cursed painting
This canvas of a false life

Dreamed portrait
Imperfect
Chain of your freedom

>>720121267
>Her choice is killing herself. At 16.
Or maybe, we can take her words and see her going in and out the painting whatever she wants after copong her grief.

>but painted verso

Play the piano you double-face suicidal/genocidal retard

>>720122614
Reddit-tier justification
Poetry and liberal well wishes about the idea of a "more real" life do not change the fact that Maelle is far more doomed in the real world than Verso's unending torment ever was in the canvas

>>720122738
>than Verso's unending torment
>my body hurts
vs
>I'm the reason my family is killing each other and my sister brainwashed me so I have front row seats to her prolonged suicide
No.

>>720122802
Maelle literally gave him the best life he could live and he was still a bitch about it.
By comparison, his way is to condemn her to the shittiest fate possible because "lol, get over it bitch".

>>720116837
Verso's ending would be correct if it didn't also mean Renoir would destroy the canvas.

>>720122593
Like I said: headcanon.
Reading the grave scene to imply that they won't or can't reconciliate is nonsense. Like some other anon said, it would just be the first step.
Maybe you have some trauma of your own you should face instead of making up shit in your head?

>>720122468
There are also writer than can setup a room with magical fire from a distance. Maybe the family can call some voodoo shit or something. Besides she's a painter, she can go in any painting, create anything: All Renoir and Verso said was to not get lost inside it (which, she is). So they do have an answer, especially Verso who says
>you're maelle
Yeah she's supposed to be Maelle, be resourceful and not giving up. But she's an Alicia, she doesn't even try.
>dislike equaling Aline with Alicia
Alicia is literally doing the same shit as Aline. LITERALLY. And at no point it was said that she was hurting from her scars/injuries.

Which is why I said: it's fine for Alicia to give in to her addiction. But you can't say it's not a dark ending, especially when she gives no shit to the state of the canvas after her death (which is getting 100% destroyed by either Renoir or Clea).
In the end, both Verso and Alicia endings do not give any single input to the canvas people. You might think Alicia's ending is better because they are alive at the end, but it's temporary.

And that's where the hypocrisy is at: people can't both say they like Alicia's ending and at the same time say they root for the canvas people. It doesn't work like that, or it's essentially the boomers way of thinking:
>I don't care what happens after I die

>>720122468
This is the weakest argument in the dilemma imo. We don't overdose irl burn victims on heroin either, and they're often much worse off than Alicia, who has magical superpowers. She can walk, she can communicate, she isn't blind, she has all of her limbs. Of course it's not an easy life, but it's not like she got assraped to oblivion.

>>720122802
>my body hurts
Forever
And her face is disfigured, forever
And her eye is gone, forever
And her voice is gone, forever
And half of the family she has left practically hates her
And the other half ignores her wishes for their own selfish desires
She has nothing, and her life cannot meaningfully improve
His Alicia killed herself for a reason, which you can't even begin to recognize, just like him
Meanwhile Verso's problems would have gone away if he was even slightly capable of introspection or reasonable conflict resolution

>>720123127
>And at no point it was said that she was hurting from her scars/injuries.
She literally keeps bringing it up time and time again, but the game keeps glossing over it for some reason.

>>720123068
Verso's ending ENDS the canvas, renoir doesn't need to do anything.

>>720092617 (OP)
Literally who

>>720123157
So, Alicia is essentially Darth Vader, but a loli?

>>720123214
Yeah because she's a teen, she's just saying whatever is in her mind first. If she was really hurting, the game would say it more. THE GAME, not the character herself.

She also said all Renoir cared about is control after the final battle. The same Renoir that spent half a century trapped in the monolith trying to get Aline out of the canvas before she killed herself. The same Renoir who is watching her daughter doing the same thing as her wife.

Who cares if people hate you if you can create any magical world you want?
I can't believe someone would kill themselves staying 40 years in one painting instead of going out every few months to not die.
THIS is how you know she's a lunatic. She's given up WAY TOO SOON.

>>720123361
No, she's stuck at Anakin's "I hate sand" age.

I feel like every single problem I have with this game could be fixed if Gustave was brought back in act 3, Chrono Trigger style

>>720123494
Either he gets puppettered by Alicia or he bitchslaps her. No in between.
Shame she doesn't care about him as much as she does about verso.

>>720123425
>If she was really hurting, the game would say it more. THE GAME, not the character herself.
The game doesn't have an omnipotent narrator, how do you expect it to do it?
>The same Renoir that spent half a century trapped in the monolith trying to get Aline out of the canvas before she killed herself
Yes, the same Renoir who wants his family back not for their sake, but for his own. You missed that part?

>>720123101
>Reading the grave scene to imply that they won't or can't reconciliate is nonsense.
I'm reading what I have. Headcanon is reading in something that will happen maybe in the future

is E33 peoples first game or something? shit was mid

>>720123590
>but for his own.
That's the biggest brainlet take you can have about a father who wants his wife and kids back.

>>720103439
Based.
Gustave supremacy.

>>720123652
Nah, he wants them back, because he wants control in his life. He literally doesn't give two shits about what either of them is going through. It's exemplified by him dismissing every point Alicia makes.

>>720123590
>how do you expect it to do it?
Easy, have medecine lying around, have her do more grunting/hurting noises, have Clea or someone else explicitely talk about that. There is no limit but it cannot just be Alicia saying it just when she needs reasons at one point.

>Renoir who wants his family back not for their sake, but for his own
It is his family. It is his wife, his daughter... Of course you'd do that. But now I just realized that you didn't experience that (from another point of view of course).
So of course it is a foreign thing for you, huh.
Bro you just admitted to your own projections...

I'm gonna stop talking to you and play some game.

>>720123769
>by him dismissing every point Alicia makes.
Because she's retarded and every point she makes means death.
It's amazingly well written because she sounds like a retarded teenage girl throughout their whole argument.

>>720123243
Is that ever clearly stated? Paintings can only be disfigured or destroyed. They aren't held together by a single part of the painting.

>>720123775
>have Clea or someone else explicitely talk about that
Alicia in her burned state only interacts with Clea and Clea deliberately mocks her disabilities, because she's a cunt.
>It is his family. It is his wife, his daughter.
Nah, I can recognize a shithead with no empathy. He just wanted to force Aline and Alicia to do his bidding, so that they can get over it and be a happy family again. Except that's not how it works.

>>720123934
These canvases are genuinely held up by a painter.
>this only ends if you stop the last fragment of his soul from painting
The fade to black when they both gommage is the literal end of the world.

>>720123425
Verso was 26 at the time of his death, and Clea was would be have to be almost a century old if time passed the same as in the real world. So time passes at an accelerated pace inside the paintings. Most likely one year = one day.

>>720123871
And Renoir makes a VERY fucking bad argument as to why she shouldn't kill herself.
He's talking to a suicidally depressed teenager about to jump off a cliff and his only argument is "don't do that, you'll die".
Motherfucker, that's her point, she hates her real life.

>>720123629
Is it also headcanon to decide what won't happen in the future based on non existing arguments?
In the ending with the grave scene the family is together, we only see Clea roll her eyes and leave, we see Aline and Renoir embracing.
While the last scene is Alicia alone watching on as Maelle and the characters from the painting fade away. This is obviously the first step in saying goodbye both to Verso and the painting.
The fate of the family is left open ended which means that saying there can't or won't be any reconciliation is like previously stated entirely headcanon.

>>720123494
Maybe then Renoir and Verso would’ve been forced to level with Alicia for the first time instead of just ignoring that she lived an entire second life in there.

>>720124260
What we see is:
>Aline being only fixated on Verso's grave
>Renoir only caring about Aline
>Clea being dissmissive of all of it
>Alicia trying to get their attention, but getting ignored and she is eventually left alone.
Yeah, they haven't moved one bit.

>>720124470
No you don't understand! Don't trust your eyes AIIEEEE

Painted Alicia completely ignoring Verso before dying on her terms because she was so disappointed in him is so satisfying.
She counted on him to give her letter to the expedition and telling the truth. Instead that idiot didnt say anything and had everyone killed.
Fuck him.

>>720124214
So any painting can die if the fragment of the painter's soul inside the painting decides to kill itself? But an outsider can force that fragment to be immortal so it can't kill itself. But it can kill itself anyway if another outsider slowly erases the painting depriving the other outsider of the paint energy it needs to forcefully keep the paint soul immortal. Also if a painting has multiple painters only one painter's soul stays in it, and it's only dependent on that person's soul. But the immortal soul also can't even reach the painter making him immortal despite his immortality which means he can't kill himself even if he wanted to.

The more likely explanation is that Aline gives up if there's no more Verso so Renoir can destroy the painting once and for all.

>>720124261
They know, they don't care, because she's killing herself.
This isn't about her feelings, this is about her life.

>>720124470
At least this take has some thought behind it, but it leans heavily on an already decided opinion.
Like you're entirely ignoring that Clea looks at Alicia and that Renoir glances her way.

>>720124569
>I'm at peace with what's to come
>you are free to give her the letter if you want
>KILL ME ALREADY FUCK YOU BROTHER
Aline painted her amazingly well.

>>720120126
>She has some amount of lung scarring, that's as bad as it gets.
Did you forget the missing eye and the burned up vocal cords?

>>720124607
>>720124078

>>720124470
Why can't they make another painting?

>>720124885
Because Alicia's just going to lose herself in another painting. Because Verso's ending fixed nothing, she still hates her real life and wants to escape.

>>720124885
They can. Easily.
It's the fact that the vestiges of Verso's soul no longer exist. Mind, Aline could probably make another fake Verso, but her heart probably won't be that into it since the RL Verso is completely and utterly gone.

>>720124632
Then they went about it the wrong way because clearly they cannot reliably force her out of the painting without her consent. I think some basic empathy would’ve gone a long way.

>>720125106
Renoir's fed up with Aline's bullshit after 67 long years of unsuccessful attempts at dragging her ass back. He's already lost his composure at this point.

>>720093027
>>720092617 (OP)
They manage to make white look guys asian
I cant tell them apart

>>720123527
He'd bitchslap her and Verso both for being retarded, and then they'd do what Maelle initially said she'd do to begin with
And if she stayed a bit too long, he'd be worried but very easily relent, because that was literally the premise of act 1
"One year out there is better than nine years in here"

>>720125258
Must've been some weird asians you've seen.

If Maelle was Marvin no one would give a shit about whether or not she stayed in the canvas.

>>720125016
How does the magic system work in this universe?
Where was Verso's soul before Aline painted pVerso?
>>720125201
Why does he need to do that? Does Verso stop being immortal if Aline steps outside the painting for a second? Don't they take toilet breaks? Dinner should be awkward.

>>720125286
Is it?

>>720093779
Are you a chad right now? If so, do you at least do a moderate amount of resistance training? If so, keep it up and you'll be a Chad in older age.

>painted Alicia wants to kill herself
>Alicia: "k bye"
>painted Verso wants to kill himself
>Alicia: "NOOOOO, YOU WILL PLAY THE PIANO!"
Why is she like this?

>>720125383
Magic is anything the painter canonizes.
Verso's soul was in that "special place."
Again, she painted her version of her beloved son and implanted fake memories and gave him immortality to never let him die again without the interference of another painter.

>>720125275
I wonder, if Verso hadn't let Gustave die, would that lack of trauma make Maelle more open to the idea of leaving the painting and only visiting.
You could argue that she is doubling down due to repeated trauma.
If so that would hilariously imply that Verso fucked up again, like the piece of shit he is.

is this shit's story just tragedyslop and famly dramaslop?

>>720125582
There has to be SOME consequences for lying as often as you breath, pal

>>720125841
Just don't play it faggot.

>>720125767
Could've gone either way.
Gustave adopted and raised her and she genuinely loves him so much that she'd either trust his judgment (if he suggests letting stay, leave, or even take healthy breaks for a bit to save everyone on both sides) or desperately not want to leave him.
That's not even considering the possibility that Maelle is DEAD and Alicia's basically walking around with a Maelle skin and not remotely as attached to Gustave at all.

>>720125201
I understand where real Renoir is coming from at least. Verso doesn’t really have an excuse because he had ample time to talk it out with her and just chose not to.
But Aline knows she’s in a painting, she’s just hellbent on staying because she’s a mad cunt. Maelle spent 16 years thinking it was all real. That’s not easy to walk away from when the outside looks so much worse. She needed someone to actually talk to her about that.

>>720125971
I'll take that as a yes

>>720093253
>Even when Aline paints pRenoir to be her manservant he's still based
Renoir is too cool

>>720125585
Are soul fragments even a real thing? Based on the stuff the characters say it sounds like "souls" refer to a person's legacy. They're not real.
The simpler explanation is that everything works like a real painting. It goes on as designed unless an outside force tries to change it or destroy it.
Which means the only thing the Dessendres need to do is set the proper rules and fuck off forever and the painted world would go on happy and content. The major drama would come from a human-gestral war over scarce resources.

>>720125994
>That's not even considering the possibility that Maelle is DEAD and Alicia's basically walking around with a Maelle skin and not remotely as attached to Gustave at all.
I would have liked to see them pull harder on the Alicia is going actually crazy thread

>>720126146
It's outright stated that the Dessendres add a part of their souls to their paintings. By the game's logic, it's literal.

>>720125878
Being forced to marry and impregnate Lune sounds like a nightmare

>>720126398
>implying Lune would want to be near him after several repeated betrayals without Maellicia tampering with her memories

so are painted people just fake?

>>720126458
She fucked him after the second betrayal.
What do you think she is doing after the third?

>>720126256
That makes no sense. That would mean every artist is permanently in purgatory. It's clearly a metaphor and souls have nothing to do with gommage mechanics.
Verso winning and the painting being erased is probably just a plot hole. It can be resolved by having Renoir externally erase the painting after Alicia is kicked out.
Otherwise it would imply the only reason the painting could be erased at all is Verso being painted, which makes paintings with unpainted creators indestructible. You can't kill someone that doesn't exist.

paintings arent real lol this is a video game
why these lil niggas debating this shit?

>>720126568
Depends who you ask.

>>720103331
Renoir didn't paint them.

>>720126804
This is the new AssCreed. A lot of people will take it seriously until they don't. How long do you think it will take for the French to fuck up the lore the way they did with AssCreed?

>>720127007
Making a direct sequel to this is a fool's errand and I hope they don't do specifically that.

>>720127094
the Writers ?

>>720127231
Makes more sense.

>>720127094
There's sequel bait all over the game. They didn't create lore for an entire universe for one game.

>>720092617 (OP)
>genocide good
Alright unc.

>>720126804
>Verso aknowledge them as real
>Clea aknowledge them as real
>fucking RENOIR aknowledge them as real but doesn't care
>random person on the Internet
>they aren't real lmao
How's that retardation called?

>>720127094
I don't think they will make a direct sequel. Unless they would go for a distant sequel that takes place after Alicia dies or something.

>>720127269
Yeah, I mean, they didn't establish the fact that Alicia wanted to be a Writer for nothing in this game. This has to pay off at some point

>>720126804
video games aren't real nigger
you aren't real nigger

>>720127404
>director said they intend the endings to be debatable
>proceed to make alicia ending so ass that the only way to justify her manipulation would be if canvas people aint' real.

>>720127853
Notice they didn't even give a new song to that ending and the addition of the scare chord while the Verso ending "feels" the one they put more effort in.

>>720096026
no

>>720121683
anyone have that image with the guy at the movies to see the movie BLUE, but when it comes on it's all red?

>>720100670
True, 99.99% of people if given the chance to live as a God in a world of their own creation, they'd take it. That's not even considering her circumstance of going back to a fucked up body. That said, prior to her "high" in the canvas, she knows erasing the canvas is the right thing to do.

>>720118058
His personality is entirely her headcanon, although I think she transferred the faded boy's memories to him, but filled the rest of his adult life with her own biases.

>>720127853
Anon, Verso deserves far, far worse

>>720100670
>Learn I can go into endless paintings and live out months or years in a matter of minutes, basically get to experience a hundred lifetimes with an untold number of possibilities
>Immediately tunnel vision on staying in your dead brother's childhood sandbox so you can play with dolls until you go insane and die
I understand Maelle's impulse for escapism but she's retarded, and basically mindbroken by having lived 16 years as a Lumieran. In her position, I would have recognized that living in myriad paintings is better than dying in 1, and moved on. Imagine having access to a hyperbolic time chamber with no downsides and crashing out in the very first canvas you go into

>>720128734
>hyperbolic time chamber with no downsides
>thinks it's a bad idea to stay in a good one for even one single minute because of the one far-off downside

>>720120474
Verso never expresses a single thought nor care for the faded boy until the final scene. He doesn't even ask what the faded boy wants. It's a question to lead him into the outcome Verso wants.

>>720092617 (OP)
If your daughter and wife rather spend time in VRchat than with your bitch ass, then maybe they aren't the problem.

>>720120446
He doesn't have blue eyes.

>>720129068
To be fair, in Alicia's case that was actually the point. Her family has been so awful to her, she just decided she'll stay in the painting forever.
And the joke is that Renoir doesn't even acknowledge that they were shitheads towards her.

>>720122357
Why wouldn't he be smiling? We know his passion is music. Why wouldn't he be happy at a concert?

>>720111848
Verso's ending is about Verso. Whilst he cares about his fake family, he is keenly aware the real family is suffering because of "his" death and "his" painting. Alicia lets the veil down at the end that Renoir is right and the family grieving will continue.
Since Verso is, as everyone says, a perfect recreation, he knows better then anyone what verso would want. Every person in that family is selfish and what he want's is to not see them suffer at his expense. And he was willing to cut her down to make sure it didn't happen. If Alicia told the truth and was strong, and was happy to leave after re-populating the canvas, Verso would likely not do what he did. If she could pursuade them that her mother would be controlled all would be good.

>>720129278
Are you retarded?

>>720129430
>he knows better then anyone what verso would want.
Incorrect. The same person can want completely different things depending on the info that is fed and circumstances. This is vastly explored in Prey (2017). What the bitch ass suicidal Painting Verso wants does not line up with what the Faded Boy wants. Whatever Verso (dead) wants is unknown.

The canvas spell or curse whatever its called is a crime against humanity, every member of the Dessendre family needs to be arrested and executed. The method of concocting the spell destroyed forever.

>>720128734
>>720128814
>>720129278
The time dilation makes the plot meaningless. She only has two friends - Lune and Sciel. Both would start their own families and settle down. Maelle would get bored and leave in a few days, a few years in Lumiere's time. Her real life is more exciting. Renoir could wait for her to get bored. There was no need to fight once the Paintress was defeated.

>>720124702
Verso resealed it and set it out to dry. From her perspective he didn't even read it or she knows he did and finds it pathetic that he can't even stand by his choice.

>>720129430
i would be more sympathetic if he didn't let gustave die

>>720129949
Guatavebros...

>>720129959
>Verso resealed it and set it out to dry.
Actually, that was Maelle, painting powers.
Don't let something up to someone else's choice then act like a cunt about the outcome.
I swear Aline perfectly portrayed Alicia, she's fucking 100 and she's still a retarded brat.

>>720117901
if they had the self control to do that they wouldn't be there to begin with.
same deal with maille and alina.

>>720129816
>Whatever Verso (dead) wants is unknown.
Verso sacrificed himself to save his family.
The fading boy wants to stop painting and for his family to leave.
Aline's masterpiece wants his whole family to stop suiciding because of him.
There's a VERY easy common point in these three versos.

>>720130069
You did not play the game

>>720127853
Play the piano you liar grnocidal bitch

>>720130193
>The fading boy wants to stop painting and for his family to leave
He loves his paintings and wants them to prosper, he hates that everyone's fighting is fucking it up and making it a pain in the ass

>>720117803
This dude was a fucking retard. His "plan" had an expiration date and a clear outcome, he should have joined forces with every new Expedition, or hell, spread the message of what's really going on to Lumiere rather than kill them.

>>720130265
Yeah, and he wants to stop painting in the last chronological conversation you have with him in lumiere, before the ending.

>>720121683
The same guy voices him in English and French so that would be extra retarded. Not surprising, but retarded.

>>720093027
Can someone actually explain the like for verso other than end choices? (They're reasoning for siding for verso is always wrong and shallow)

>>720130309
his girlfriend didn't believe him and tried to abduct and torture him which made him kill her.
Dude was probably traumatized by that, if your lover won't believe you do you think some random people you've never met will when some immortal comes to them saying that the witch is actually our savior

>Killing millions is fine because they aren't real
>How dare you end your suffering by subjecting my sweet special boy Verso to an ironic punishment of living a lie, manipulated into doing the exact shit he lied about enjoying and wanting to do again to manipulate people into ending his suffering

>>720128734
What if your loved one live in that painting, Anon?

>>720130193
>Verso sacrificed himself to save his family
Dead Verso also didn't know his sister would end a cripple.
>The fading boy wants to stop painting and for his family to leave.
No he doesn't. Play the game.
>Aline's masterpiece
Is a suicidal retard that cares little about anything other than his own death. The Painted Verso from the Diary entries is the one that lines up with the Dead Verso's and Faded Boy intentions.

>>720130549
>Dead Verso also didn't know his sister would end a cripple.
He knew she'd be ALIVE.
>No he doesn't. Play the game.
I want to stop, when asked.
>Is a suicidal retard that cares little about anything other than his own death.
Actually play the game.

>>720130327
>he wants to stop painting in the last chronological conversation you have with him in lumiere
Yeah after his dad fucking killed everyone. Why the fuck should he be rewarded for that?

>>720130416
He's the funnest character in terms of gameplay.

>>720130631
>Actually play the game.
The irony of this post

>>720129380
.... you know what, if both endings are supposed to be equal, that's actually a great point. As lomg as painted Verso keeps playing the piano

>>720096005
>compared to to letting her gently euthanize herself
Thank god you'll never be a parent.

>>720130549
>hurp durp only goal was to die
Its amazing to me how many retards can't understand the character in the slightest. Saying his goal was suicide the whole time genuinely makes me think you didn't play the game.

these niggas just coppied Soul Sacrifice Delta, am I the only one who sees that?

>>720130631
>He knew she'd be ALIVE.
Not as a cripple.
>when asked
He wasn't asked. He was gaslit into an answer. A loaded "question" if you can even call it that.
>Actually play the game
I did. That's why I know it better than you do. You only watched youtube clips ans it shows. You don't even know the Diary entry I'm referring to.

>>720097727
The game should be a series and the last two episodes should be the endings, shouldn't appear as listed until you finish the second-to-last episode, and after watching one the other should disappear.

>>720130727
I would want my child to live centuries in an able body in a place and among people they love before dying, rather than kill themselves within a year as a sad hated cripple in chronic pain

>>720100670
I hope you patch things up with your family anon

>>720130727
Anon looked at your picture and doubled down lmao

>>720115037
>Clea did it because she needed to help Renoir get Aline out of the Canvas
Then she should've intervened directly rather than chimping out and enslaving her painted self and painted self's bf.

>>720130909
I wouldn't kill my family just because someone told me they are fake, actually, unlike you.

>>720130680
Manoco is more fun imo there's a lot more strategy planning to him. I feel like there's more reason to switch around weapons to expirement vs others where there's obviously 1 or 2 weapons that are leagues better than the rest.

>>720131104
Then you'd need to be killed as you'd be as dangerous as your parents.

>>720129380
agreed
if he can change his mind from wanting to protect his paitned family to wanting to genocide the canvas.
I'm sure he can change his mind and learn to live and die for himself instead of saving his family.

>>720130416
Maelle's ending is tyranny. Verso's ending is freedom. Maelle whole world only has six people other than her. She is their god and they worship her. Lumiere is still broken, her family is still broken, and she's slowly dying.
Depending on how bodily functions work in this universe, this means either eternal slavery for her closest friends or a pointless existence until their creator dies after a few, miserable years of non-sentient zombie life.
If you choose Maelle, you're a psychopath.

>>720120354
>Did they really have to kill everyone living inside the painting though?
I would do that if the alternative was my wife and child using them to commit suicide.

>>720130735
he's a genocidal maniac who wanted to kill everyone in the canvas for his fake "real" family.

>>720131104
Alicia's family wasn't fake, they were all wanted her to come out and face the truth so they can heal together.

>>720131298
Alicia's last 15 years weren't spent alongside those people.

>>720131221
Maelle's ending is happiness, Verso's ending is genocide.
Maelle repaints the entirety of lumiere given time and she'll die sooner then later but at least she'll die happy and in a world she loves instead of a reality of torture.
The canvas continues on whether or not the painter dies since that was originally verso's canvas, Maelle will die but Lumiere will continue on.
If you choose Verso you're a psychopath with a god complex who thinks the lives of those you create have next to no worth and that your sense of fulfillment and control should supersede the happiness of of others.

>>720123157
>she has chronic pain, is scarred, and can't talk (but her family can still understand what she's trying to say)
that sucks
>And half of the family she has left practically hates her
>And the other half ignores her wishes for their own selfish desires
headcanon
>She has nothing, and her life cannot meaningfully improve
She's a rich wizard, so you're completely wrong
>His Alicia killed herself for a reason,
Her world was ending and her family was dead, real Alicia's family is alive, wants her back, and doesn't live in a doomed world.
You understood Verso and Alicia... the wrong way.

>>720131221
>Maelle's ending is tyranny. Verso's ending is freedom.
If canvas people aint real, then the opposite is true. Maelle enslaves noone and verso took away maelle's choice to rot away.

>>720124043
>He just wanted to force Aline and Alicia to do his bidding
His bidding is "don't kill yourself," you clearly have huge issues with your own dad.

>>720131002
Maelle was so cute. Then the moment she got her Alicia memories back her entire facial posture changed and she turned into a bitch.

>>720131729
>live in a doomed world.
headcanon, the world isn't doomed once renoir stops interfering with it.
>She's a rich wizard,
wizard that can only do their magic in a painting.

>>720131221
I said besides the choice.
>>720130735
"I've know these people for hundreds of years, they love me and theyre all I know. But yet I want to kill them and everyone in this world so petty gods that I don't know won't die"

>>720131729
>Her world was ending and her family was dead
At the hands of the retard you want her to reward for pulling that shit off. You sre a fucking psychopath.

>>720124247
Alicia is clearly both incapable of and unwilling to see the truth while she's in the canvas. She actually thinks painted Verso is her brother. Renoir is right to take her out. She (like Aline) can't be reasoned with while they're currently high on the drug they need to quit.

>>720131845
>His bidding is "don't kill yourself,"
Alicia kills herself in Verso's ending so idk wtf you are going on about here lmao.

>>720093027
That's not Monoco

>>720131506
They do have value, that's why they should be laid to rest. They died in a tragedy but that's life. They got to live. Alicia shouldn't play doll house she should make other worlds and give other beings a chance at life.

But I agree base verso fags are just socio/psychopaths

>>720131901
Why are you people so obsessed with "rewarding"? are you one of those people who counts Verso being "punished" as a positive for Alicia's ending? It's not about reward or punishment, leaving the canvas is what is best for Alicia's recovery as well as that of her family. It is a tragedy for Lune and Sciel but I personally feel it's up to interpretation as to whether Alicia can even restore their world.

>>720131931
>She actually thinks painted Verso is her brother
You literally didn't even play the game lmao. This garbage take is debunked by just watching the beginning of Act 3, search it up on youtube like you did with the endings.

>>720131506
It won't go on because Verso is the only other sentient entity left in that painting and he would kill himself at the earliest possible opportunity.
Maelle is torturing an innocent man until she dies all so she can keep up a fantasy she didn't know existed 16 days ago (in real world time).
Verso was accepting the inevitable. He couldn't have beaten Renoir. At 33, it was already over. The adults were no longer old enough to raise adults.
And when he was fighting Maelle, everyone had already been erased. There was no one left to save except zombie Lune and zombie Sciel.
And "save" in this context means accepting Maelle as their god. Would you worship a dying, mentally unwell 16-year-old to live out decades with two zombies of people you've known a few months?

>>720130735
you clearly have no clue what ur talking about because ultimately what is his goal if you ignore his "real" family oh right kill himself and all of lumiere.
>>buh buh buh he did it to save his real family
who he never met besides aline
>>buh buh he did it for Maelle his "real" sister
implying he wasn't using her as a justification to end his own existence because he hated living as someone else, which is suppose to draw parallels to how he's a painter that has interests in music instead.
The guy's a depressed suicidal in an existential crisis, Maelle's ending at least lets him do something he enjoys for once in his life instead of being some immortal old hag's fake son playtoy.

>>720132082
>Why are you people so obsessed with "rewarding"?
Because your actions have consequences and psychopaths like you don't seem to understand that until it hits them right in the face. Hopefully all your LARPing stays as that, because if you pull something retarded IRL like Renoir did, you are gonna get your just desserts eventually.

>>720131931
The first thing she says to him when regaining her memories is that he isnt her brother lmao

>>720128814
>no downsides

>>720129278
>Her family has been so awful to her
Headcanon, we don't know anything about their family dynamics except how they reacted in the days following an unimaginable tragedy (your daughter causes the death of your son), and that Renoir always encouraged Alicia to TRY something as he was certain that she'd be great.

>>720132202
>It won't go on because Verso is the only other sentient entity left in that painting and he would kill himself at the earliest possible opportunity
Maelle cannot paint over other people's creations. Only Clea can do that, play the game.

>>720130940
euthanasia is when you live a full and fulfilling life

>>720132082
>Why are you people so obsessed with "rewarding"? are you one of those people who counts Verso being "punished" as a positive for Alicia's ending? It's not about reward or punishment
"guys, if a robber kills several families but now that he's crippled from the latest heist, he's no longer a threat, he shouldn't be punished in prison."

These threads cant possibly be real people

>>720131549
Prove it faggot

Why didn't the curator say who he really was?

>>720130265
Young Verso did not want to paint. Only when he was older did he develop the courage to say so. He enjoyed his time in the painting because he was playing with his family. They're no longer there to play with him, the painting offers him nothing. Alicia COULD have fixed this by being willing to leave (this would've required Aline to also be willing) which could've meant they could come back and play with him, and that future generations could do the same. But both Aline and Alicia just want to live with painted Verso, so the soul continues to languish.

>>720132042
So if you could avert tragedy and also pursue your happiness you shouldn't because of some higher call.
she's not a talented painter, she probably could grow to make another similar canvas eventually but that would be like admitting that lumiere is an expendable world with little value because she could make a new one.

agreed, as a character he's fine but his ending needs you to completely dehumanize and treat the painted world as lesser or nonexistant beings.

>>720131862
>STOP comforting that soul of a dead child and call me Maelle RIGHT NOW

>>720132567
>He enjoyed his time in the painting because he was playing with his family. They're no longer there to play with him, the painting offers him nothing.
Play the game.

>>720130735
>Saying his goal was suicide the whole time genuinely makes me think you didn't play the game.
>I don't want this life I don't want this life I don't want this life I don't want this life Verso literally breaks down the MOMENT all his plans fails.

>>720132641
>comforting
Gaslighting.

>>720131863
>wizard that can only do their magic in a painting.
You should play the game, in the real world there's floating canvases everywhere, Clea can hear what Mute Alicia is trying to say, and Alicia talks about how Clea and Renoir can "paint" the house's repairs. There's clearly some capacity to use their magic outside of the canvas.

>>720093253
They're doing what they must to defend both their families
A father like that is automatically right and based

>>720116035
I think it's implied that Aline burned Alicia's face afterwards rather than it being the fire

>>720131975
May I see it?
>>720132491
Correct, criminals should be dealt with for the sake of protecting society, not exacting retribution. The robber that killed several families should be executed.

>>720126804
Being unable to entertain philosophical hypotheticals is a sign of low IQ

Go be brown somewhere else

>>720132441
She can either alter people, or she can't, and we know she altered Verso in her ending.

>>720126804
White escapism to cope away from real life.

>>720132301
And And she calls him brother when the chips are down and she's trying to convince him to not want to die. I bet you believe she was willing to leave the canvas, too.

>>720132147
People unironically says that? are they retarded?

>>720132919
>and we know she altered Verso in her ending
>when he's acting like a mopey bitch

>>720132202
everyone else is sentient, Maelle is giving him the treatment verso forced on her except in her case it's mercy.
Painted verso wanted to end his existence and pleaded for death because he didn't have anything to live for while being stuck with immortality.
She ended that and let him age, if she was an controlling god she would keep him immortal, she gives him the chance to live the life real verso always wanted to be able to practice music freed from his obligations.

The rest of the canvas will get restored there's no reason why if she can restore gustave and sophie she can't for the rest of the world.

>>720132642
Young boy: Another Expedition… 33…
Gustave: Who are you?
Young boy: Me? A dream, an illusion… I don’t really remember. What I did all of this for… I miss… laughing with everyone…
Gustave: Who are you talking about?
Young boy: Re… Cle… What were their names? I… Why do I forget… Everything… Is washed away… (the boy has gone silent)

Young boy: Why… Why would she paint these things? Eating the world… eating our world… We used to have fun here… Together… I wish… we could still have fun… Sister…
Lune: (Try to communicate with the boy)
Young boy: (The boy ignores you, as if he does not see you.)

Young boy: It’s you… I know you…
Gustave: What do you mean, you know us?
Young boy: I’ve seen you countless times… Yet I’ve never grasped your essence. You are not from here…
Gustave: Our essence?
Young boy: I can feel it… Familiar yet so different. Like everything she created. Like the creature of darkness at the end of this path. It is but one of her many creations. Beautiful, in its own way, but deadly. Her favourite combination.
Gustave: You mean the Paintress? Why is she doing this?
Young boy: I don’t know. I wish I knew. It is not like her. She was my best friend. But she outgrew us. She had more important things, more important friends. She left me behind. The boy has gone silent.

Babby Verso talks constantly about how he loved playing with his family in the canvas, and we know that real Verso eventually told his parents he wanted to be a musician instead of a painter.

>>720132739
nice headcanon, maybe you should play the game and see that they don't affect bloody reality otherwise they'd of already used the magic to fix her burns and injuries. it's literally you making shit up to justify your genocide.

Literally only redditor manchildren or contrarians side with alicia lmao their "arguments" are only about completely lashing out against a painted thing that never wanted to exist in the first place

>>720133051
He's also mortal. We know she altered Verso in her ending. She can either alter people or she cannot. Clea was clearly powerful enough to imbue painted creations with the ability to fell axons. It doesn't mean she was the only one capable of changing other creations in any way.

>>720133221
You're a psychopath we get it anon nothing but your opinion matters.

>>720132441
Her limited abilities are a major reason why the Maelle ending is so bad. You're surrendering your sovereignty to an incompetent 16-year-old. The writers didn't make this clear enough before you made your choice.
She didn't fix Lumiere. She didn't bring back its residents. At best she made faded copies of people she knew that would be nothing like their real life counterparts.
The Noco saga hints at this. You can't bring people back exactly as they are. People in the painting are collections of chroma. You can draw a similar figure but it's not the same entity. So what's the point?
If there was a genocide, I would get what you're saying. If there was a happy ending, I would choose it. But there isn't. There is an unhappy ending - Verso's - and a psychopathic ending - Maelle's. It's better to be unhappy than to be a psychopath.

>>720133221
Why even lie about this?

>>720133197
I don't want to spoil too much for you before you play the game, but there's a part between acts ii and iii where you see a room full of canvases that are very clearly magically floating.

Trick ending or Magic ending expeditioners?

>>720132803
I double-checked and I'm right. "My face? What about my face? Are you going to burn it again?"
https://youtu.be/r1ppZs_tujI?t=19364
5 hours - 22 minutes - 40 seconds
Aline shoved this little writer's face into a fire for killing Verso lmao

>>720133345
This is only true for the wider plot element of the painted family being reflections of the real family, the actual painted beings are blatantly brought back identically with information that Maelle wouldn't have known

>>720133072
>The rest of the canvas will get restored
Looks like she stopped after fixing the operahouse. Can't imagine why.

>>720132202
This is why Aline is a huge bitch.
Maelle spent 16 years in a different reality, totally unaware of the painting unlike Aline, but Renoir has been so worn down trying to pull his stupid wife out that he barely tries to reason with her.

>>720133345
the way I see it her limited powers is a good thing for the world she won't rule over it like Alina or clea could because she can't.
All she can do is bring everyone and make minor adjustments like verso no longer being immortal.
She's not skilled enough to be an almighty god but has the powers to restore everyone, the fact that she can lose to verso shows how she's closer to a resident of the world then any of her family members.

>>720133505
Maelle: Papa did it so easily. What am I doing wrong?
Monoco: Don’t be discouraged. It’s only been a day since you remembered your Paintress side.
Esquie: We believe in you!
Verso: Remember them. Painting isn’t about verisimilitude. It’s about essence. The truth of who they are. Your father made the Axons, right?
Monoco: She Who Plays with Wonder. He Who Guards Truth With Lies.
Verso: They’re the essence of your mother. And… your brother.

She was able to bring back Lune and Sciel because she knew and understood them. The same can't be said for the rest of Lumiere outside of a handful of people Maelle spent time with.

>>720133454
anon you're an idiot yes they're flying yes they make dolls of lumiere characters they don't affect them in real life.
her magic doesn't work on HERSELF or her family members if they could she wouldn't still be scarred.
you're literally inventing headcanon saying because they can hear canvases that means they can fix her
maybe you should play the game and stick to the game instead of inventing shit.

>>720133604
>the fact that she can lose to verso shows how she's closer to a resident of the world then any of her family members.
because she's literally lived there too. fuck. Maelle=Alicia.
ALICIA HERSELF SAYS THAT SHE'S BOTH.
And Verso and Renoir want to kill her fucking family.

>>720133589
Aline couldn't be reasoned with and the first thing Alicia does when she meets him again is say "this is my home now." It's clearly a "here we go again" moment for both Renoir AND Verso, Alicia was never going to be reasoned with. An alcoholic isn't going to listen to you telling her to put down the bottle while she's currently drunk.

>>720133463
Ange deserves not to discover her entire family are backstabbing child murdering psychopaths

>>720133716
>if they could she wouldn't still be scarred.
Alicia's a shit painter and Aline scarred Alicia's face up herself.
See >>720133486

>>720133072
They are sentient to the extent their creator gave them sentience. They're not a product of their environment through natural selection. They do whatever they were painted to do.
Now if Alicia valued sentience of this sort, she would go around painting hundreds of canvases. She would create thousands of worlds.
That's not what she does. She recreates "perfect" versions of her old friends that does whatever she wants them to do. Why else would they be content in destroyed Lumiere listening to Verso play to an audience of clones?
So she can't restore anything. Nor does she want to. She wants to live as Maelle because she doesn't want to live at Alicia. That isn't worth destroying her family over. If preserving painted worlds is the goal, it only makes sense to fight for the Painters. You know, the people she betrayed earlier which led to Verso being killed.

>>720133716
I never said they could paint themselves whole in real life, I said:
>You should play the game, in the real world there's floating canvases everywhere, Clea can hear what Mute Alicia is trying to say, and Alicia talks about how Clea and Renoir can "paint" the house's repairs. There's clearly some capacity to use their magic outside of the canvas.
What part of that do you disagree with, retard?

>>720133784
at that point she's already restored her powers, so saying because she's maelle she's downgraded to being able to lose 1v1 to a creation is headcanon. she was never anywhere near as powerful as her family and my point was she won't be treated like an almighty god because she doesn't have that power

>>720133818
but that's makebelief headcanon, and escapism, and it's le bad!

>>720133486
She said burn it again because she burned it several minutes earlier when they encountered her at the bottom of the monolith.
>>720133784
Alicia lies a lot. Maelle is dead. Alicia has Maelle's memories but does not act like Maelle.

>>720133158
>Young boy: Why… Why would she paint these things? Eating the world… eating our world… We used to have fun here…
You realize he's talking about those huge ass monsters that Clea made, right?

>Young boy: I’ve seen you countless times… Yet I’ve never grasped your essence. You are not from here…
>Gustave: Our essence?
>Young boy: I can feel it… Familiar yet so different. Like everything she created. Like the creature of darkness at the end of this path. It is but one of her many creations. Beautiful, in its own way, but deadly. Her favourite combination.
This actually makes no sense since we know E33 was made by Aline and not Clea. This is an actual plothole in the game.

>>720133826
and in all the years since between that and her entering the painting neither clea nor renoir wanted to fix it if they could?
>>720133889
wrong they aren't running a script they're capable of thought and independent action.
>Why else would they be content in destroyed Lumiere listening to Verso play to an audience of clones?
because it's the only entertainment in a world that just came back from the brink of extinction.
>That isn't worth destroying her family over.
her mom tortured her and hates her, if she didn't maybe this wouldn't of been an issue to begin with. Instead her family and the ones she wants to stay with are in lumiere

>>720133909
sorry my rant was in genral on how people gloss over the fact that Alicia has lived essentially two lives: one as maelle and one as alicia. that would fuckup everyone's perceptions on whatever the painting should be destroyed. you'd commit murder over your own family if you let Renoir destroy it.

>>720133259
>It doesn't mean she was the only one capable of changing other creations in any way.
She is, this is outright stated in the game you clearly haven't played.

>>720133893
you mean the part where you go
>RICH wizard lady
as if that was a solution to all of her problems?
then started inventing headcanon about how everything can solved with MAGIC, the amazing MAGIC

>>720132828
Look at Gustave gesture in that ending LOL.

>>720134185
prove it or get gommaged

>>720133801
Why was Lune barefoot? sorry probably asked a hundred times. based

>>720133505
Such as what? Sciel drowning herself at sea and bring saved by Esquie? How do you know that isn't a fake memory conjured up by Maelle from her memories of Sciel? It's a pretty wild story considering we don't see Esquie going around saving anyone else at any point in the story.

>>720133889
>They are sentient to the extent their creator gave them sentience. They're not a product of their environment through natural selection. They do whatever they were painted to do.
So Aline painted people for years all with the intent of having herself get killed? Are you really that stupid?

>>720134361
art designer is a milf feet fetishist

>>720134330
Play the game I'm not gonna spoonfeed a shitposter like you. It's one of the secret bosses is the most I'll tell you.

>>720134375
Did she also paint a new Esquie with that memory offscreen before coming back from being gommaged

>>720134479
so it doesn't exist great, ya sure thing you goddamn liar you're the one who made an assertion and shes the only one who can and now you're saying go find out for yourself!! it exists I swear but i have no proof
what a cunt

>>720134375
>Vercucks proving once more they haven't played the game
Esquie does mention it, buddy. Stop shitposting about stuff you clearly have no idea about.

>>720133604
She needs to be even more skilled than Aline or Clea to bring back everything to how it was before the fracture. Consider the scale of the task before her. Do you seriously think she's up to the task after all you see in the ending is clear teenage wish fulfillment? Her personality is equal parts traumatized orphan and spoiled heiress. Do you think decades of hard work is motivating her to stay? There's a difference between playing a game and building a game.

>>720134479
looking at steam's completition rate of achievement there is an high chance that that anon is shitposting and he hasn't beat that fucker. neither did I. I hate him.

>>720134576
Keep making a fool out of yourself then shitposter lmao that's not my problem. Anyone who has played the game knows that Maelle/Alicia can't do it from that secret boss dialogue, if you want to keep being a clown and argue against canon itself due to your lack of understanding and knowledge that's your own retarded decision to make.

>>720134013
>doesn't address any of the forlorn dialog about missing playing with his family
k
>even being upset about Clea's monsters eating the canvas is framed through mourning the time they spent playing there together
Did you intend to disagree with me?
>an actual plothole
That's possible, but it's also possible that, like Aline's creations and Clea's creations both feel "familiar yet so different" to him.

>>720134601
she's got the rest of her life to spend doing it cause we all know she ain't going back out.
She can bring back the citizens that got gommaged that's a good start

>>720134626
I don't think we are talking about the same character.

>>720134769
sure thing headcanon bro
the canon invented by you peasant

>>720134185
So Clea made Verso mortal in Alicia's ending?

>>720134127
>>720134389
False dichotomy. They have free will but it's limited by their personalities which are shaped by their painter. Aline didn't create them - Verso created their parents as generic human archetypes. That's why someone like Simon is so badass. The earlier generations were a lot simpler. Verso didn't have a personal angle. He was having fun. Alicia obviously wants her friends to be her friends, so she's having that as part of her personal ideal.
And they're obviously not the same people. Could Alicia not paint other Lunes and Sciels? Of course she could. She can clearly create clones as you can see in the ending sequence.

>>720134205
>as if that was a solution to all of her problems?
It's certainly not. Alicia is going to have both challenges and opportunities that a normal person would not, it's dishonest to downplay either of them. I never said everything could be solved, I simply stated that being able to do magic (including making your own canvases to spend time in) is on the "pro" list for her life. You're simply a nigger.

>>720134257
>gustave beckons
Yes, but when do we see Alicia kill herself?

>>720134952
so aline made her painted beloved son a depressed sucidal boy?

>>720132631
The tragedy isnt averted it already happened. You're reviving people from the dead and in the case of like gustave, that isnt him. Maelle treats them more expendable than just letting them die. She recreates gustave, who she doesn't know everything about and gives verso the ability to die. But we can assume that if either die she will probably resurrect them again with different memories. Especially verso so he doesn't get uppity again.

>>720133002
He's not the verso that she knew was her point. Versos retard logic revolves around her life being more important than his and that entire world.

I don't agree with maelles ending. But not because of Versos reasoning which is bad.

>>720133801
>and the first thing Alicia does when she meets him again is say "this is my home now."
And the reasoning would make perfect sense if not for the fact that she would rot away if she doesn't exit from time to time.

>>720134809
>She can bring back the citizens that got gommaged that's a good start
She could only bring back Lune and Sciel by knowing their essence and the truth of who they are. So, I doubt she could bring back more than a handful more, at least faithfully.

>>720134626
Anon he's talking about painted Clea, not Simon, and I 100%'d the game. Alicia says "only clea is strong enough to paint over someone's creation," but Alicia is not omniscient, nor even honest. We can see that Verso is altered in Alicia's ending. Do you think she asked Clea to do that for her?

>>720134952
>They have free will but it's limited by their personalities
So just like real people?
>which are shaped by their painter
That's very sus considering in all those years only Gustave has been able to create the Lumina Converter. Every Expedition even tackles the task differently from others.

>>720134952
>Verso created their parents as generic human archetypes
Verso didn't put any humans in the canvas. Lumierens were Aline's creation. Verso made the world, the gestrals, the grandis, and esquie. Clea made most nevrons, Renoir made the axons and their associated nevrons, and Aline made the humans and Lumiere.

>>720135074
she doesn't repaint their personalities and in the case of verso she just lets him begin to age and he'll eventually die himself.
maelle/alicia will probably age and die alongside them from being in the canvas, she's put a cap on her own life and she knows it.
I get there's the whole sinister creepypasta angle of her secret running the world like a sandbox, but the world of lumiere will ultimately outlive her assuming renoir doesn't go back in and try to gommage it again.

>>720134952
Each person wasnt individually painted. They can reproduce

>>720126854
He painted the axions as his family's monster fursonas

>>720134882
I don't think she made Verso mortal. I think that's just Verso. Verso says he dyes his hair. I take it as either Maelle bringing up the baseline which means him without the dye (doubtful, since Gustave was brought back with the metallic arm) or that the dye just faded after a while. That old unc boomer hair is Verso's natural.

>>720092617 (OP)
who?

No idea who this guy is.

>>720135452
Why did Verso decide to change his appearance? That seems a simpler solution to you than Alicia making him mortal when the last thing we see her say to him is this?

>>720135232
yes but don't we have the taste of clea changing people inside the canvas during Simon's bossfight?

>>720133345
>At best she made faded copies of people she knew that would be nothing like their real life counterparts.
Headcanon. She brought back Lune and Sciel perfectly. In fact the game never even implies she can botch ressurrecting people. The devs also went out of their way to debunk the point about Gestral reincarnation. It just sounds like you're trying to lessen the moral dilemma.

>>720135129
right. For aline it's escapism. But for alicia perspective it's more like a lost kid from shipwreck now living in a different country. "This is my homke now" would make sense.

ZAMN! E33 looks like THAT???

>>720133534
>Residents have lived there 67 years and never bothered to fix anything.
Dude, wtf is wrong with Lumierans?

>>720132147
She knows he is a fake Verso but she was fully intending to use him as a Verso replacement so she wouldn't have to deal with the fact that he is dead.
https://youtu.be/QEk75rd7hi8?t=327

>>720135727
So the moral dilemma isn't complex. It's fight for the Painters in the real world versus live in a fantasy with your expedition friends. Is it really that simple?

>>720135702
Yes but the line that suggests ONLY Clea can change people is spoken Alicia at a different time
>>720135806
There's lots of scaffolding and evidence of construction there when you run around as Gustave but it seems like preparing for the expedition and simply keeping everyone alive takes up most of their focus. And then of course the city looks even worse once Renoir does his thing. The truly grim part is the perfectly restored opera house in Alicia's ending, showing that she could be fixing things if she wanted to.

>>720135543
>Why did Verso decide to change his appearance?
Did you not see how that guy was reacting at the end? He's clearly done with life, why else do you think he no longer takes care of how he looks anymore?
>Alicia making him mortal when the last thing we see her say to him is this?
Alicia thought she could rebirth Sciel and Lune and she initially couldn't until taught. Unless you think Painted Verso is as skilled as Clea, there's nobody to teach her painting over someone else's creation.

>>720135892
so we should be genocided when god's husband is tired of us?

>>720135780
No it's not, because that lost kid can't willingly teleport back home whenever it wants. Alicia has even more reason than Aline to engage in escapism, Aline didn't bear guilt for Verso's death like Alicia does.

>>720135886
>She knows he is a fake Verso but she was fully intending to use him as a Verso replacement
That is a lot different from what was initially claimed by that other retard.

>>720135960
>Yes but the line that suggests ONLY Clea can change people is spoken Alicia at a different time
Anon I think we're agreeing because I agree with you. we've been hsow that only clea can change painted people during Simon's bossfight.

>>720136031
Two people in a dead world who weren't expecting to live versus hundreds maybe thousands of painting worlds. Those two people could easily be recreated in some other world if she liked them so much.

>>720136178
>only clea can change painted people during Simon's bossfight
It's Clea's fight where the actual dialogue appears.

>>720136253
>Those two people could easily be recreated in some other world if she liked them so much
Verso and Renoir never bring up this point to convince Maelle to leave. So no their chroma/souls are intrinsically linked to this canvas.

>>720134361
Artist's barely disguised fetish

>>720136000
What was the point of what Alicia said to him, then, about growing older? It was just her suggestion and he accepted it? If he's still immortal, he won't be growing older regardless of how his appearance changes.
>>720136178
We don't agree, I feel it's pretty obvious that Alicia changed Verso in her ending.

>>720136104
No it's not, Alicia intends to use the canvas to delude herself into feeling like Verso isn't dead, just like Aline did. By the end she's so far gone she calls him brother.

>>720134589
>>720134547
How was the thing that can't do anything without its stones flying around saving random people? He would be a lot more known if that were the case. Maybe he's programmed to make people happy. He tells people what they want to hear from him.

>>720136559
>What was the point of what Alicia said to him, then, about growing older?
Wishful thinking just like when she thought she could revive Sciel and Lune.

>>720136253
naruto's author couldn't create another naruto. FMA author couldn't create another FMA. AoT author couldn't create another AoT.

>>720136446
Why would Verso bring it up? He wants his sister to move on, not recreate him in another canvas.

>>720136639
How would he have possibly known that this random person tried to drown herself and was mysteriously saved

>enter E33 thread
>cntrl + F "genocide"

>>720136464
I heard from a footsubhuman that those feet are gross.

>>720136639
>He tells people what they want to hear from him.
Why the fuck would someone want to hear they killed their child?

>>720136446
Maelle wasn't competent enough to create entire new worlds. She wasn't exclusively attached to Lune and Sciel, but to the idea of escaping into the world her family created, Nevrons and all.
>>720136682
He could insert Naruto into a crossover episode.

>>720136716
And Renoir doesn't despite calling them her friends?

>>720136663
So the growing older line was just a red herring? She just mentioned trying to fix his problems by making him not immortal, the next time we see him he's visibly aged, but actually nothing has changed?

>>720136906
Renoir correctly understands that he cannot reason with his teenaged, grief-stricken, drug-addicted (and currently high) daughter, and that she must be removed from the canvas for her own good. By the time they come to blows, she's already decided to die in the canvas. She made that decision as soon as she woke up there as Alicia.

>>720131298
>Sciel begging for cock
>kills himself
Is he gay?

>>720137308
It's not gay if it's with your gestral BFF

>>720136750
He doesn't say that. Verso makes an inference that he saved her but he never saved anyone else.
https://www.dawnborn.com/game-transcripts/clair-obscur-expedition-33-game-transcript-all-dialogues/esquie/

>>720137376
Verso is gay because he is the bottom when they cudddle while Monoco is super straight because he is the top

>>720137490
>Verso cuts himself in half, is just fine
Could Esquie take verso's foot and do a "My own clone!"?

>>720137004
>he's visibly aged
Didn't see any signs of aging on him other than the hair which he tells us is dyed.

>>720136815
The hospital told her that.

>>720137626
Bruh come on

>>720134330
I'll prove it since the other anon is homosexual for some reason. She says this is response to Verso asking "Can you heal her? Can you change her back?"
That said, Verso is old in Maelle's ending so she's either lying, somehow became skilled enough at Painting to alter creations by the time her ending takes place, or completely repainted Verso from scratch (and chose to keep his depression for whatever reason)

I figured out two things:

The time dilation conversion of the canvas and outside.

December 33 being Maelle's birthday and what happened with the writers.

First I will start with Maelle's Birthday, we see in a flashback that it's Maelle's birthday. I think this birthday was some months ago. Maelle isn't interested in paiting as her family is, she preferes books. She feels like she isn't good enough in painting and is jealous of Clea and Verso to a degree. She feels shy and insecure to be at their level. She summerges herself in reading books, and novels, and writing in general. Spending hundreds of hours in her room reading and learning to draw. One day she meets a writer who has an amazing way of talking. Her mom warns her about contacting writers and how they shouldn't interact with each other. On her birthday, Maelle opens a letter from this writer, the letter is poetry. Maelle reads and the letter itself (poem) is like an enchantment where fire starts and becomes real. Starting the fire in the manor.

Verso sees this and decides to go into the room to save Alicia. He gets burnt to point of no return but saves her. Here what plays is the dialogue of his ending his "you're okay, you're okay" but the positions would be from Maelle ending her holding her brother.

Aline starts passing more time in Verso's canvas, Renoir every day sees how she is missing more and more to the point where she starts sleeping in the atelier (we see the cushion). He sees Aline coming out everyday worse and worse (This is what I see everyday quote) Until at the hour she usually comes out, she doesn't. Renoir tells Maelle to stay home and not intervene. He goes to the canvas. Fight starts, the Hauler gets put in lumiere, Aline moves Lumiere to save it from the hauler. Alicia decides to go to sleep. ASSUMING she sleeps for 8 hours. This would mean Alicia enters the canvas at YEAR 49. if she slept 8 hours. Then 51/8=6.3.

1 hour outside canvas=6.3 years inside of the canvas time.

>>720137689
Those folds have always been there. It's the hair that makes him look so much older.

>>720137460
>Verso makes an inference
Sciel and Esquie literally have a conversation where she is the one who realizes he saved her after he mentions finding her in the water after she stopped swimming, Verso is not involved
Play the fucking game

>>720137626
>he doesn't look older and alicia brings up growing older for no reason
I don't think we'll find common ground, have a good one

>>720137819
Full dialog:
Verso: It can’t be…
Maelle: Verso…
Verso: Clea… You’re alive? What happened to her?
Maelle: I bet Clea hated Maman’s portrait of her. So she painted over her.
Lune: And now she paints… Nevrons.
Verso: Can you heal her? Can you change her back?
Maelle: I can’t repaint her, Clea’s the only one skilled enough to paint over someone else’s creation.
Verso: I don’t like this…
Lune: This is going to be tough.

The way the painting power works is never fully explained. Clea was skilled enough to make Clea into an incredibly powerful nevron factory and Simon into an axon slayer that could only be overpowered by Renoir. That doesn't mean no other painter can effect another painter's creation in any way. Only Alicia says this (she lies sometimes and is wrong other times) and it very easily could've been in reference to her inability to overwrite the alterations of Clea, who is a MUCH stronger paintress.

>>720100670
im an artist so for me its drawfag>writer
no question. the reason leaving the painting to her isnt compelling because the bitch can't paint her own shit and can only distort other peoples visions

>>720138776
>Verso is not involved
Verso: But there is a creature that Verso painted into his canvas. One who always helps people when they become consumed by their dark thoughts.
Verso: I’m going for a swim with Esquie, care to join?
Sciel: Did Esquie put you up to this?
Verso: What ever do you mean?
Sciel: Esquie’s been nagging me incessantly about swimming lessons.
Verso: He did say you’re a terrible swimmer.
Sciel: Tsk. Esquie.

and

Sciel: You mean…
Verso: Yes, him.
Sciel: …

>>720139261
Whoops, fucked up my copy paste. First quoted line belongs with the second portion. Like this:

Verso: I’m going for a swim with Esquie, care to join?
Sciel: Did Esquie put you up to this?
Verso: What ever do you mean?
Sciel: Esquie’s been nagging me incessantly about swimming lessons.
Verso: He did say you’re a terrible swimmer.
Sciel: Tsk. Esquie.

and

Verso: But there is a creature that Verso painted into his canvas. One who always helps people when they become consumed by their dark thoughts.
Sciel: You mean…
Verso: Yes, him.
Sciel: …

>>720139103
>it very easily could've been in reference to her inability to overwrite the alterations of Clea, who is a MUCH stronger paintress
This would also be a reasonable assumption with Aline's creations, given she's considered one of the strongest painters. It stands to reason Maelle likely actually believes she's incapable of altering the paintings of others, given altering Verso literally at any point would've solved all of her problems.

>>720139692
Alicia thinks she's dogshit at everything, it's why Renoir is trying to hard to get her to try something. She's capable of more than she knows.

>>720139872
Fuck off, Renoir. She is useless, should have sold her to the writers from the start.

>>720139872
>Alicia thinks she's dogshit at everything
So does her mother kek