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/sthg/ #8392 - Tailjob Edition

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>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027
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==Comics Release Dates==
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog #5 - 16 July 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #80 - 30 July 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 27 August 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #81 - 03 September 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026

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Previous Zone: >>529017629

>>529049075 (OP)
DINKLEBERG

Sonic

>>529049075 (OP)
>OC early bake
Fuck off.

>>529049075 (OP)
You fucking suck as a neighbour.

You're not funny.

Other generals bake at 750 posts, why are we mad about this?

>>529018167
I don't mind her with that color palette. Clearly they were just working off the black & white final sketch, but she actually looks more unique that way.

>>529049494
No idea why, they pretend theyre on some honorable crusade when we've been doing this for literal years

Tails!

Douge

I don't really have a leg in this race, but because this conversation runs in circles every week here I just want to list out the familiar points. Hopefully this is resourceful


>Sonic has character flaws in canon
This is true in the sense that we can look at things Sonic does and consider them bad if we did them. Impatience and laziness, a lack of will to do things that don't entertain him. But these aren't actual narrative flaws. These are used to momentarily push the story or to make a funny joke for 3 seconds. It's like calling Goku's gluttony or (non canon) fear of needles a flaw.

>Love interests
Whether you like it or not, Sonic's characterization from the games does indeed put a hard shackle on the idea of him in a relationship. Especially relationships that involve "opposites attract".
Even with Amy, any indication of him dating her is left up to interpretation. He missed a date. He said yes to a date. He acknowledges hanging out with her. He has passive dialogue wanting to spend time under an umbrella with her. She is never actually portrayed as a girlfriend on-screen


>Good writing
The most sincere Sonic stories, the ones from the 2000s, are the most beloved in the franchise. They are also the most controversial and heavily mocked by outsiders. It is difficult to get a consensus on how well they are liked.


>Sonic's status as a protagonist.
Windfags are correct in a material sense here. Sonic is never the principle protagonist in stories written by Sega of Japan. He's more like a plot device that has more screentime than the protagonist.
A living spectacle for us. You aren't meant to worry about Sonic's state of being in more than a single game (which was written in America).

>OOC, Insecurities, emotions
Yes, the Sonic you see in western media does things that just never come out of the one you see in Japan. That said, Sonic does get embarassed, scared, and uncomfortable with himself in both japanese media and japanese dubs of western media.

>>529049494
>Other generals are retarded newfags, why shouldn't we be retarded newfags too?
Stop breathing oxygen.

>>529049494
I'm guessing because the past few threads were made autistically submitting at or near 750 which resulted in multiple concurrent threads, some of which got deleted since they couldn't be recycled.
This would be better with some sort of auto system.

>>529049813
I remember we used to at least wait until page 8 or 9 for a while. That's better because people don't just Rush and they can announce when they're baking.

Dear Amy:
Drop dead or something
PLEASE.
All you ever do is follow
Sonic around like the
stupid bitch you are.
Just get it through your
thick skull: HE DOESN'T
LOVE YOU AND NEVER WILL.
JUST SHUT UP ALREADY.

-Anti Amy Rose

What are some of the more out there fan theory's you believe in?

>>529049502
Holy, that's really degenerate.

06 is the IDW of Sonic games and is proof that the japanese need to be tard wrangled from time to time

>>529049559
>Sonia and Manic first appearance in years is in fnaf

Meanwhile Spongebob is just casually here

>>529049813
The /sthg/ posts here a shit anyway, why would anyone take this general seriously?

>>529049742
>laziness, a lack of will to do things that don't entertain him
Helping someone doesn't always mean entertaining them, and Sonic would never down someone who asked for his help

>>529050271
That Sonic & NiGHTS are the same soul.

The true otp.

>>529050271
One of our drawfags (SCRIBBLEFAG) worked for Sega, or did in the past and is pretending this didn't happen by pretending to be just some windfag.

>>529050559
Can't ship until they confirm if Cream's dad is dead or not.

>>529050783
Retarded

>>529050271
>Mural theory (cry about it)
>Rush after 06/reincarnation theory
>Timeline split after Gens/nuClassic timeline
>Storybook games really are just dreams Sonic has and they reflect how he sees his friends
>Time Eater being a residue of Solaris

I know the first three aren't "canon" but I don't really care at all

>>529049541
What tiera is supposed to be? I remember she was some kind of cat, but to be honest she looks like a generic sonic character.
Still i wish she could be saved, i love obscure or forgotten characters making a comeback, thays why i was overjoyed to see the hooligans, mighty and ray and the witchcarters too.
Too bad about the legal stuff with tiara, maybe some day we can se lumina and void again.

>>529050885
Storybook games being dreams reduces the fun/scope of the series

>>529050785
We cant tell, but she debuted in 2003, and we never had a single hint of her husband or of vanilla still married at all, maybe she's a widow, or just a girl who became a single mother by bad luck.

> Sukuribufagu?
> No anon, I have never emproyed him.

>>529051145
we don't talk about the incident at the sperm bank

>>529050885
Even though Rush took place before 06, I still believe that 06 is a rush prequel for Blaze at least and the ending of 06 altered Sonic's past

>>529051209
Cute fox

>>529050914
Manx cat, and not happening since her creator used her on a myspace blog.

Vanilla is made for green reptile cock

I love when Sega is baiting Cosmofags and Sallyfags

>>529050914
Tiara is a Manx.

>>529051351
Really? do you have a link? or is death?

>>529051387
It's Ma'amx!

>>529050335
>Metal plus Andre equal Eggman

Clever

>>529049742
>Impatience and laziness, a lack of will to do things that don't entertain him
Sonic wouldn't really turn down someone in need. He does have an impulsive nature and it shows in certain games.

>>529051505
Satamfags and archie fags are nuts for sally, but everyone knows bunnie was the ultimate satam/archie girl.
In fact, if she never fell in love with antoine, she could have been the perfert western sonic love interest.

Need more fags
And boyposting

>>529051837
Why does every JenHen face look exactly the same?

>>529051505
Dreamy

>>529052219
What kind of answer do you really expect

>>529049385
Game Informer still exists?

>>529051351
It's not really the myspace blog, more so the fact she's an American character from an unreleased game with a disastrous development cycle.
>>529051516
https://web.archive.org/web/20110708065845/http://www.myspace.com/tiaraboobowski/blog

>tfw no shadow yume gf to make a deck with...

>>529051653
>Mimic piloting a giant Mech suit

lol based

>>529052076
We already have an abundance of homosexuals here.

>>529052219
Sameface is something really common in artists, but this franchise is definitely not the place to complain about it. Sonic characters have a basic designs with few exceptions.

>Silver
>Blaze
>Sticks
Team Third Wheel

>>529052365
Thals for the link but im kind of disappointed, the last entry was on 2007. Is nothing worth on it.

>>529052219
>>529052641
All Sonic characters have Felix face

>>529051653
>>529052430
Cool guessing it also ties into Eggman love of Carnivals also looks like him any other Sonic inspired characters?

>>529052886
That explains a lot.

>>529052161
>Shadow
>being nice to tails
Nah, shadow is always kicking his ass.

>>529053219
....In non canon material

>>529049728

>>529053219
This is a twitter meme. Every time Shadow attacks Tails he is also attacking Sonic.
In the Cosmo Conspiracy episode the only reason he spends so much time beating up Tails is because he is pulling his punches instead of just crushing him like he did with Sonic and Knuckles

>>529051372

>>529052365
Not much, it's just her smoking habit, her date with "Breaker", and her being 4 foot 4, which puts her as one of the tallest sonic characters.

Tangle reminds me of Batgirl
Somehow

>>529052982
There a .EXE story path and if you go down that route you have to beat "Pissy moon" also the hedgehog is the first thing you need to collect in order to start the route...

>>529053946
I remember a funny reel parodying a spongebob episode when mr krabs ask for mr puff, vector was mr krabs while mr puff was johhny lightfood, amd cream said vanilla doesn't really like to talk about it. Very funny stuff.

>>529054159
Meant to reply to this
>>529052786

>>529049075 (OP)
>another early bake OP of some faggot peddling his OC
rope.

>>529054365
Yeah, what up with some classic characters smoking a lot, i remember a pic of sonic and a pic of eggman smoking.
I wouldn't be surprised if vector does it too, she looks like the type.

>>529054329
Did the tumblr sexy man crowd seethe over this this design

>>529052365
Sega was reportedly receptive to greenlighting the idea for the comics until they were in the thick of the Pendering, and they want to make sure no more creatives can pull that off ever again. They absolutely searched for warning-signs that he may have been a little too attached to his old original character. Ian didn't say it directly, but he pretty much said so in the nicest way possible that Sega didn't want to risk the potential touchiness with characters and their creators, and that extends to Tiara.
>>529052786
There were definitely more entries at some point but they're probably lost forever. Here's a comment referencing one of them.

>>529054174

Out the way britnic I'm here to see Tails

>>529055549

>>529053773
>pulling his punches
This is pretty made up. Tails isnt the primary target, Cosmo is. As soon as Tails is out of the way he's trying to focus on Cosmo instead of continuing to waste time pummeling Tails

>>529046682
>>529046986
>A core trait of Sonic is that he always does what he believes is right
Well, you have to choose. Does he do what he believe is right or does he do what he feels like doing? It can't be both.
>in the sense that if the paths laid out don't match with what Sonic believes is right, he will simply ignore all of them to forge a new path himself.
Yes, and that path is the most convenient one. When faced with 2 options that are inconvenient, he looks for a third one. That's the flaw I want to explore.
Basically. This arc takes place in a Station Square controlled by GUN, which came back with a dictatorial doctrine due to the apparent need for safety from Eggman after Sonic Forces. Commanded by Tower's son, who has defeated and basically humiliated Sonic before. The main conflict is torn between freeing the people from GUN and stopping Eggman's most recent plan. Amy and Tails have already gone through development and are the main companions, and along with Sonic, they work with the president to take back the people's freedom from GUN.
Those are the pieces. Now, what happens is, Sonic finds out that what used to work before doesn't work anymore. Now, they're not in a black and white scenario where he can just fight until he either dies or wins. They have to convince the people to deny GUN and then convince (or force) GUN to accept change. He can't just beat up GUN or defeat Eggman because he's not strong enough, and he doesn't have the tact to help in negotiations, so he actually becomes a liability. While Amy and Tails try to get terms in order while he simply says what he thinks loudly, like he always does.
Eventually, he realizes that he's not thinking about the future, only the present. That he's picking the path most convenient for him right now, that he has never built anything, and has nothing to offer. And so, his development is becoming the coolest hero, who takes into account what OTHERS want. That's the bare BARE bones of his development.

Hello /sthg/! What are you up to?

Tails was close to canonically defeating Shadow before his mommy stepped in to save him btw

Boys Franchise

>>529055959
Reading through a cute Sonic-related fanfic. You?

>>529056062
Yes, little boys. Shit ass Timmy franchise.

Anyone here remember the Sthg podcast?

>>529055924
>antiwindfag's immediate pitch is nerfing sonic and giving him a politicshit plot more suited for shadow or silver
Who couldve seen that coming

>>529056062
Girls can play with action figures too.

>>529055959
drowning at work and I just logged in ;_;
how are you Amybro?

>Sonic is the wind, he has no long term obligations
>If the Flash dies Sonic will take up his job as a superhero to honor his sacrifice for the rest of his life
And you all told me Sonic getting mentally fucked up by Longclaw's death was ooc.

>>529054646
It's a 90's thing, smoking had a rebellious aspect to it for some time.
>>529055246
I can see that being the case, and I doubt Tiara has anyone advocating to get past any legal concerns for her use.

>>529056462
Except thats not happened because you didnt read the fucking comic. They ALL take up the hero jobs so the DC world isnt fucked while they try to figure out how to get back to their own world, which was always the plan because Tails tells Sonic he needs time to figure it out

>>529056393
Yeah. The pitch is to change the current narrative that Sonic is not good at handling, instead of only making stories where the narrative perfectly fits the character and so they never face any challenges. Glad you understand.
Also, I like how Sonic being defeated is apparently "nerfing" him. Like he has to be the strongest person in the world at any given moment.

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Ah, let's do it.

Sonic can't be the wind because the wind bends and breaks, it is constantly at the mercy of geography and its environment, but Sonic never does.

Sonic can't be the wind because he's freer than than the wind.

>>529055924
>Does he do what he believe is right or does he do what he feels like doing? It can't be both.
Why, exactly...? The way I understand it... I'm just gonna explain it through MBTI terms. Sonic is pretty much an "ESFP", meaning his cognitive functions are Se -> Fi -> Te -> Ni. Fi being the second function is the important part here.

Fi -> Introverted Feeling. Sonic's own personal values, what he "feels", is the priority. This is what dictates his actions. This encompasses both "What he feels like doing" and "what he believes is right", because both are exactly the same. In any general mundane scenario, he'll do whatever he feels in the moment. If he's hungry, he'll eat. If he's tired, he'll sleep. But if someone's in danger, if someone evil is attacking, then Sonic's focal will be purely on resolving that. Save whoever is in danger, fight the bad guy causing trouble. And the underlying core value is "Freedom". Anything that stands in the way of freedom for himself or anybody else, Sonic will fight against. Sonic does as he pleases, and that includes what he personally thinks is the right thing to do. When faced with a problem, Sonic takes action immediately to resolve it according to what he decides is the right path. And when everything is said and done, he runs off to do as he pleases again.

Thus, he is not lazy. He does what needs to be done as soon as possible, which then means he has all the time in the world to kick back and relax without a care.

>>529055959
just got out of work, checking in on the general before I go do other stuff. how about you anon?

>>529052367
>Amy with a chaos emerald
Can she use chaos control like sonic and shadow? Also why does sonic never use any chaos powers after SA2?

>>529055040
No but only because we don't know what's in that thing...

>>529052461
big snoot

>>529056743
Sonic isn't supposed to go through emotional arcs. It isn't just because he's "the wind" (in fact, it's the opposite, the wind is a way of writing around this) it's because every sonic game is supposed to be some kid's first and you can pick them up from any point.

the great emerald's power allows me to feel

>>529056743
It makes no sense for GUN to beat Sonic (or Eggman!) with what they have right now. I didn't see you propose a new superweapon they developed or a character they're introducing to be the reason why they beat Sonic (probably because you just want the fact that they beat him to be a facet of the story without explaining it so it's just a fact that can't be argued)
So yes, it is nerfing him if nothing justifies his loss to a force he can previously beat. And nerfing him is shitty writing.

>>529056409
I hope you get to relax now! I am okay, I hope you are too!
>>529056970
I see, be sure to take it easy!
>>529056182
Not much, just listening some random sonic songs and content!
Thank u all for asking!

>>529057176
The big snoot enhances her ability to gaslight and weave false narratives.

>>529057000
>Can she use chaos control like sonic and shadow?
No
>Also why does sonic never use any chaos powers after SA2?
Sonic uses Chaos Control in 06

>>529057076
We do it's literally just pic related but if Duo was successful at killing off Silver in that trap it's a dead body

>>529055924
>Eventually, he realizes that he's not thinking about the future, only the present. That he's picking the path most convenient for him right now, that he has never built anything, and has nothing to offer. And so, his development is becoming the coolest hero, who takes into account what OTHERS want. That's the bare BARE bones of his development.
Honestly, this overall scenario of Station Square being controlled by GUN, with a dictatorial thing going on, almost sounds like the kind of scenario where Sonic would easily end up being a target that they're trying to capture, so City Escape becomes the bulk of every level. Meaning, Sonic vs GUN. Tails and Amy, being much more diplomatic by comparison, are likely to bypass that entire thing if they're not simply following Sonic like in SA2 where they just became wanted criminals alongside him without a second thought.

But anyways... So, it seems like what you're aiming for is forcing Sonic to stop living in the moment and focus on building for the future, and to prioritize what others want or believe in over his own feelings and values. The first part, doesn't sound right. Sonic's "live in the moment" mindset isn't ignoring the past or the future, it accepts the past and considers the future but prioritizes taking action here and now.

Meaning, why worry so much about what's gonna happen later when you can do what needs to be done NOW? That mindset is what leads to taking action and getting things done. I previously described Sonic as "ESFP", so his dominant function is Se while his inferior is Ni. Your scenario carries the underlying implication that Sonic's inferior Ni is a weakpoint he needs to develop. Meaning, a lack of foresight or deeper insight, simply running blindly on impulse. But, that isn't actually accurate. Sonic has displayed a profound use of "Ni" from the very beginning. His worldview comes from a very developed sense of insight and understanding, beyond the immediate circumstance.

LOL
Sonic is the WIND. I LIKE it when Sonic is the wind. I LIKE it when Sonic is the hero of another story. I LIKE that Sonic can't be related to. I LOVE THE WIND. Sonic should NEVER be on the level of me or any other real human. I don't care about if it makes sense. I don't give a shit about traditional storytelling. I love SONIC THE HEDGEHOG.

Why do I feel like any discussion of Sonic's character kinda needs to accept that Sonic is just as much a plot device as he is a fleshed out character?

>>529056402
Yeah but that's not what I'm pointing out. Notice how Amy gets separated marketing. A group of males will always be more marketable to little boys than a bright pink girl hedgehog that can't even go super.

>>529057046
She got a reduction deal with it
>>529057660
How much shit did they steal from us?

>>529057692
freckles don't make any sense but they look so cute on Tails

>>529057760
Because "plot device" is only relevant in "plot driven" stories and not every story is like that. Sonic is not a plot device in Sonic Battle, which is a character driven story

Sonic is exactly the same as Godzilla only he can talk. The movies are called Godzilla. Godzilla isn't your protagonist. Trying to make Godzilla relatable is retarded.

>>529056885
OH MY GOD, DON'T BRING UP THE FUCKING AUTISMO SHIT. STOP IT.
I will literally not engage with you if you do this.
>Sonic takes action immediately to resolve it according to what he decides is the right path
Yes, and that path is the one most convenient to him in the present moment. That is the core trait that dictates his actions.
It usually works because the most convenient path is the one that works, I'm literally just making it so it isn't, so that the path that works is the one where he has to negotiate with people he hates and try to think of a solution that's convenient for EVERYONE, not just him, and thus, he will need to SACRIFICE.
>>529057230
That's silly, most of the characters in this series go through character arcs and make reference to past games. You'd have to disown your precious 2000s games to make this argument (SA2, Shadow the hedgehog, heroes, etc...)
>>529057370
>It makes no sense for GUN to beat Sonic (or Eggman!) with what they have right now
Bro, that's a plot thing. That's literally the easiest type of problem to fix. I can just make up that they're more powerful now because they have more resources from the dictatorship, or that they're less moral, or just that they've been building up their strength ever since the end of Forces or something. This is easy shit.
And yeah, I do want Sonic to be the underdog in the story, that's how any inspirational story works. Sorry if you prefer your Gary Stu fantasy.

>>529057760
Sonic The Deus ex machina or whatever it's called

>>529057908
Sonic is also not the character going through a story arc in battle. That's Shadow and Emerl.

>>529057840
Not enough Jackie was only a one time encounter Belle needs to fuck off too

>>529055924
>>529057662 (me)
>But anyways... So, it seems like what you're aiming for is forcing Sonic to stop living in the moment and focus on building for the future, and to prioritize what others want or believe in over his own feelings and values. The first part, doesn't sound right. Sonic's "live in the moment" mindset isn't ignoring the past or the future, it accepts the past and considers the future but prioritizes taking action here and now.
The second part, however...
>who takes into account what OTHERS want.
...Well, this depends on what this means exactly.

It's not like Sonic is "selfish", beyond being "selfishly fond of his own freedom" I guess. When it comes to what others want, that's already something Sonic prioritizes because he values the freedom of others as well as himself. That includes your freedom to make your own decisions and live by your own rules, not his. Sonic isn't gonna decide for you, whatever you want to do is your own choice. Like in Secret Rings, there's that point where he's like "SHAHRA, I COMMAND YOU! DO WHAT YOU TRULY THINK IS RIGHT!"

He doesn't "Command" her to do any specific thing, he doesn't tell her to just listen to what he wants her to do. It's a dire situation, but he only tells her to do "what she truly thinks is right". Not what HE thinks is right for her, but what SHE thinks for HERSELF.

So, really... in short...

It feels like you're using shortsightedness and selfishness as Sonic's weak points... when history has displayed that he's, in fact, very insightful and selfless in spite of the preconceived notion that he's impatient/quick to action and doesn't care what anybody else thinks.

>>529058020
The thing about Sonic is that he isn't a hero. He just does what he wants.

>>529058375
Bro shut the fuck up

>>529055306
That's kidna cute, i line when tomboy types try to feel or seen as more femenine.
>>529056062
Freaking rad, too badd about the amy figure not being there, while superknuckles and cyborg tails are missing in action.
>>529056525
>>529054646
>>529054159
I miss when cartoon caracters could had bad habits, like smoking and drinking, it gave them a lot of personality.
Like the thing, wolverine and kingping. Or even peg leg pete on disney.
Everyone remember dumbo for his drunk scene too.
Not sure if i like it on sonic characters, but as someone said here modern vector really looks like the smoker type of guy specially for being a detective, im glad hes more adicted to bubblegum.

In the concept art for Sonic Underground, Queen Aleena looks almost identical to classic Amy

>>529058020
>OH MY GOD, DON'T BRING UP THE FUCKING AUTISMO SHIT. STOP IT.
>I will literally not engage with you if you do this.
It's the easiest way for me to communicate certain things.

>>529058303
At least Jackie got in the game Belle can't even make into Cross worlds

>>529053219
Shadow has never attacked Tails in the games

>>529057692
Cute pups.
Oh wait, I keep forgetting that Marine in't a raccoon dog...

>>529058020
>I can just make up that they're more powerful now because they have more resources from the dictatorship, or that they're less moral, or just that they've been building up their strength ever since the end of Forces or something. This is easy shit.
No actually it isn't because your entire premise doesn't even value GUN. Where is Tower? Why is GUN only controlling this one city and to what degree is the president involved in?
>And yeah, I do want Sonic to be the underdog in the story, that's how any inspirational story works.
When Sonic gets beaten, it's usually a sticking point that needs to be a focal point. Case in point, Infinite beats Sonic the first and second times they meet, and Sonic decides he needs to figure out the source of Infinite's power to win. If your pitch was actually a Sonic story and not a fanfic, Sonic (and Tails) would zero in on how to overturn the dictatorial GUN forces.
>Sorry if you prefer your Gary Stu fantasy.
I don't know where you get off abusing the term Gary Stu when you just pitched a fanfic on the same tier as "Deer Sega, Sonic should wear a backpack now". You're not pitching some great story where Sonic's flaws lead to a real lesson and growth, you just want to kick Sonic in the balls like every Western writer who's touched him from Pontaff to Prime

>>529058707
>character designed to be a girl sonic looks like the girl sonic character
Wow, what a surprise...

>>529058707
I dont like sonic characters with wiglike hair, but final allena desing was bastly superior, at least in terms of colors.

>>529056330
This nigga put a gun right behind his head. His ears are in the fucking path of it, this design is terrible.

>>529059005
its good to admit that some character designs are just plain better in a vacuum, regardless of principles.
I've seen tons of people try and fix Mina Mongoose for example to make her look Sega like. It just doesn't work.

>>529058920
Mock me again and I will kiss you on the mouth with tongue and everything

>>529059131
Agreed. Sometimes you just cant work with sega and be a real sonic character and thats ok

>>529058501
This is funny. Someone do it again but with the Heroes climax

>>529059006
Meow~

Every story should kick Sonic in the balls, and Sonic should be allowed to kick the story in the balls back because he's Sonic. Western writers and Sonic 06 fail to do that and instead take a sick glee in just kicking Sonic in the balls

does anyone have ready to go downloads for Sonic CD Miracle Edition?

>>529059548
You see that Metal? I get to tap that.

>>529049541
They never colored in the final design, right? Then that probably should be taken as her final-design coloring.

>>529057662
>>529058375
>almost sounds like the kind of scenario where Sonic would easily end up being a target that they're trying to capture
See, that's the scenario Sonic WANTS to happen. Because it's FAMILIAR and he can easily solve it. That's the scenario he tries to create along with the president (behind his friends' backs), and it just ends up making things worse when Eggman becomes a threat at the worst moment, and Sonic has achieved nothing but worsen relations with his only possible allies. The commander doesn't arrest Sonic because he still keeps his cool and doesn't just barge in breaking shit.
>it accepts the past and considers the future
I don't think you understand. Sonic doesn't HAVE a future. He doesn't have a dream. His dream, by the end of this arc, will be to become the coolest hero, and THAT will lead to change in his character.
He thinks of the future, yes, but the way he does that is by taking the path towards that future, which requires the least amount of mental effort for him. The future he wants, by itself, is the one that leads to the least amount of mental stress/anguish/effort. He naturally is happier and less stressed when people are free and happy, so that's why he seeks it, and the path he uses to get it is the path where HE is the most happy and least stressed.
He picks the most convenient path, he lives by his own feelings, that's it. Being the coolest hero isn't convenient, though. It requires a sacrifice from his part. Seeking a future that isn't easier, but better, in a way that isn't easier, but better. Basically, taking a lesson from Knuckles (Knuckles also takes a lesson from Sonic in a previous arc).
Sonic is actually kind of realistic in the sense that he prefers death over changing his personality, as that is something us humans do all the time through wars. We'll die before we think about what the other tribe wants. That path of mental convenience is what I'm addressing.

>>529059862
We know she's pegging you batman

I like the Sonic R OST, did people really tried to shit on its OST in the past? that seems so silly it's easily one of the best Sonic OSTs ever

>>529060123
For a second I thought that was a bodily fluid between Tails' fingers

>>529059891
Not the one with the jeans but the skirt was colored. There's also pic related and colored sprites here: https://info.sonicretro.org/Category:Artwork_of_Tiara_Boobowski

>>529059891
We actually have a gif of her in-game model. She wears a red top and black pants.

>>529058862
>Where is Tower?
He's injured/in a coma from Forces and that's a driving force for his son.
>Why is GUN only controlling this one city
They're not controlling this one city
Like, I stated the bare bones of Sonic's development specifically, so I don't know why you feel the need to pick on problems that can be easily addressed with a single phrase. These are all obvious things I've already thought about.
>You're not pitching some great story where Sonic's flaws lead to a real lesson and growth, you just want to kick Sonic in the balls like every Western writer who's touched him from Pontaff to Prime
Oh, you're just mindbroken. I'll just leave you to it, then.

>>529060349
wishful thinking?

>>529059131
The problem with mina is how her color contrast involves her hair, while her long hair is an important part of her design. Can't say is impossible but is difficult sure, funny enough almost all official female sonic charactacters have short hair, thats why mina feels super different compared to them.

>>529056743
Nerfing someone has to justify the means, if you're nerfing somebody for nothing it won't mean much and the stuff you're proposing I feel fits Silver or Shadow more. Sonic drives ahead, that's his nature. Right or wrong, he's doing it to make sure things are right

>>529060427
>He's injured/in a coma from Forces and that's a driving force for his son.
Well now we're getting somewhere so I at least value his character
>These are all obvious things I've already thought about.
>but... i'm not gonna bring them up to make sure my pitch makes sense when held up to scrutiny
Ok

>>529060418
Sonic games need to go back to being pinball themed. It's why half the cats can curl into a ball.

>>529059006
Rouge being catwoman made a lot of sense and I'm mad dc didn't even tried but i get why it wasnt used. My first guess is catwoman is not a heroine and she's not even part of the justice league.
My second is every sonic character represent a different dc hero, so having two batman character feel kinda cheap.
The third one is sega censoring rouge thanks to her original voluptuous body, i get it why they did it too.

so whens sonic in fortnite.
you know is gonna happen now that sonic is a crosswhore

If Xtreme came out, would Tiara have become a recurring character?

>>529051837
>but everyone knows bunnie was the ultimate satam/archie girl.
>she could have been the perfert western sonic love interest.
Exquisite taste.

>>529051505
>Antoine gets his pelvis smashed by THAT
>EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT.

>>529061014
Nah, it would probably be like honey on idw and sonic channel art just making very small cameos. In archie she had more chances.

>bestie

>>529060571
I already told you, I "nerf" Sonic because I want an elongated inspirational story with many encounters, and I would prefer it if he were the underdog in all of them, so it could be actually interesting.
Don't you guys like Jojo? Or One Piece? Or DBZ? Or any other fucking elongated story in existence? They're full of monster-of-the-week randos who almost kill the protagonist. You want Sonic to spend 99% of the story beating these types up easily and only struggle a little with Eggman right at the end? Sounds boring as shit. Nah. Sonic gonna get beat up by random GUN agents (that were always just kind of there) and put within an inch of his life before he triumphantly wins, and I don't care what you say.

>>529061014
No, but she would've had Archie preboot appearances beyond cameos.

>>529061147
Funny how Antoine was the most hayed satam/archie character, but with time became the most based man, even having the best character development on the freedom fighters, including sally.
Bunnie comes to second, thats why she was so based.

>>529061014
Tiara was dropped very early on during Xtreme's development and mostly a Sonic Mars concept

>>529060418
Yeah they changed her design I think at the point she became an NPC and then got later got replaced with Amy. Tiara's final design before being scrapped was sketched but not colored (except by Archie which probably didn't share design notes).

>>529061014
She'd thrive in Archive and Fleetway. Japan would treat her the same as the other American made Classic games as a curious footnote (Xtreme also would be regarded as this, it wouldn't have changed the tides much I personally feel.)

>>529061389
>Don't you guys like Jojo? Or One Piece? Or DBZ? Or any other fucking elongated story in existence? They're full of monster-of-the-week randos who almost kill the protagonist. You want Sonic to spend 99% of the story beating these types up easily and only struggle a little with Eggman right at the end?
Did you forget Sonic's a video game franchise? He struggles when we struggle. And he dies because we fucked up. He's a video game character, my guy.

>>529055959
Being annoyed because I have to go wagecuck for 12 hours in 20 minutes.

>>529060537
This becomes really apparent when people make human Minas. Because of her hair, the yellow of the body is discarded entirely. Mina ends up lookling like a gothic asian chick.

>>529061737
Yeah, I'm not writing a game, I'm writing a story for a story-focused medium.
But if I were writing a game, it still wouldn't be a problem to make Sonic lose.

>>529050271
>2 Silver and 2 Blazes (06 and R(ush/ivals))
>Mania is Gens Classic Sonic
One of my own:
>Storybook doppelgangers change between readers

>>529061783
>12 hour shift
holy shit the sucks, sorry to hear that anon. I hope your shift goes by as quickly as it can.

>>529061503
>even having the best character development on the freedom fighters
My ass he did.

>>529061014
Looks too much like a genderflipped Crash

>>529061389
>I would prefer it if he were the underdog in all of them, so it could be actually interesting.
>Don't you guys like Jojo? Or One Piece? Or DBZ? Or any other fucking elongated story in existence?
This has gotta be bait.

Do the people who want Sonic to be more relatable actually like any existing Sega Sonic stories?

>>529062093
Tiara pegging Shadow

>>529062229
So you don't like any of these? I thought windfags were into shounen. Wtf?
>>529062308
I like SA1. All my ideas come from trying to create a natural progression from that game. SA2 is when they decided to just feed Sonic a billion side characters for him to inspire, and none of the current characters went anywhere development-wise.

>>529051041
>Storybook games being dreams reduces the fun/scope of the series
Nerds prefer things to be "grounded" for Sonic the fucking Hedgehog.
>>529061921
>But if I were writing a game, it still wouldn't be a problem to make Sonic lose.
He'd lose when WE lose. It's a fucking video game.
>>529062308
>Do the people who want Sonic to be more relatable actually like any existing Sega Sonic stories?
Probably not.

>>529061229
Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.

>>529062470
>SA2 is when they decided to just feed Sonic a billion side characters for him to inspire
That's Rush. SA2 is the original sin, but its real problems lie in other elements of its story.

>>529062473
>He'd lose when WE lose
AND in the cutscene, because the game also has a story. Just like when he loses to Infinite.

We need more games like 06, Forces, and Frontiers where Sonic loses and gets beaten up

>>529062470
>So you don't like any of these?
Never said I didn't.
>I thought windfags were into shounen. Wtf?
Congratulations, you're autistic.

>>529058501
was looking for this, thanks.

We need more shows like Sonic X where Sonic is the role model for all the characters

We need more episodes like Egg moon where Sonic is the only character with a brain cell

What would a whisper MTG card look like?

>>529062602
>AND in the cutscene, because the game also has a story
And you shouldn't let the story overpower the GAME. Nintendo figured that out and it's been working for them since.

>>529062056
What do you mean? In archie he started as a complete coward jealous of sonic with no positive qualities but ended being a brave soldier by his own merits. He even almost gave his life protecting someone he thought it was worth to give his life for.
Bunnie was the one who fell in love with him for his merits and personality, amd he loved her so much to marry her at the end.

>>529062906
Honestly? At this point I want more of that just to nail it into peoples heads what Sonic's role is and to filter out people who think he is anything else.

>>529062470
>All my ideas come from trying to create a natural progression from that game
Then pair either Amy, Tails or both with Sonic as the relatable underdog character(s), continuing their development from SA1. No need to nerf Sonic when he already has an established character if succeeding from SA1.

>Christmas Story
>Either Santa is mischaracterized, or he is some aspiring mythic figure that the protagonist works to be more like
This is a perfect example for Sonic

>>529063220
You're romanticizing it, hon. It was much more complicated than that.

sex with sally

No one wants Sonic to go through emotional journeys or develop as a character. He's literally perfect and always wins that's what makes him cool.

uuuu~~~
Shadow is dog-coded~~~

>>529062572
SA2 DEFINITELY fails in expanding on the previous game, bro. Nearly nothing about SA1 shows up again story-wise. Blaze is just an attempt at creating a new Shadow.
>>529062963
Yeah yeah, every game with scripted defeats is le bad even though only your autistic ass thinks so.
>>529063357
No, because it's a PROGRESSION, not a mere continuation. Meaning, the characters progress from what is set up by that game into what I think is the most ideal conclusion.

new Magic The Gathering playmats

In 2017, Pat Casey and Josh Miller were told that Sonic could either be a child, and thus the protagonist of the film, or he could be the role model of a kid. With the kid being the protagonist.
Pat Casey was adamant that Sonic should be the protagonist. He left the Tom and Jerry movie because the studio pitch is that Tom and Jerry weren't the protagonists.
The movies would have been infinitely better if they went with the other option. Chris Thorndyke hate is a meme. Sonic being the hero that inspires some kid would have been great.
It has been five years since the first movie. Any kid or teenager they would have chosen would have aged with the films and therefore their tone.
It was a colossal mistake not to go with this.

>>529063613
Sonic becomes Santa Claus in the Christmas finale of AoStH. That's his ending.

>>529061865
I-IS THAT TIKAL? AN UNDERAGE 2000 YEARS OLD ECHIDNA?

AYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>529064047
I do not see the success as a guarantee if they do that. Normies dont give a shit that Sonic is supposed to be the Hero inspiring. Theyd shit on it for being like X, or like how idw fans shit on the manga right now. And then Sonic as a brand would no longer be saved, putting us in a worse position
I dont like the movies but you gotta take what you can get with these things

>>529061389
>You want Sonic to spend 99% of the story beating these types up easily and only struggle a little with Eggman right at the end?
Nah, I want Sonic to prevail. If he struggles then the pay off needs to be worth it. The difference between Sonic and those things you mention that Sonic is a video game character so he functions a bit differently. I don't care how you try to spin it, I don't mind Sonic being the underdog. He was the underdog before, I like him to be the spirit that uplifts too. You wanting an inspirational story is just fine, that's a good thing but it shouldn't be at the expense of Sonic being out of character if the story falls short.

>>529063646
>Fang desperately trying to avoid paying child support

>>529064001
>every game with scripted defeats is le bad even though only your autistic ass thinks so
No one brought that up but you, bro. Maybe you step away from the PC for a bit and get some Sun.
>Meaning, the characters progress from what is set up by that game into what I think is the most ideal conclusion.
In other words, a continuation.

>>529064330
I completely understand the principle of general appeal. I'm saying the movie would be better if it ignored that. If it shot its own success in the foot.

sex with Tikal on the emerald altar

>>529064001
>SA2 DEFINITELY fails in expanding on the previous game, bro. Nearly nothing about SA1 shows up again story-wise.
...
>Tails' (belated) reward for saving Station Square
>Knuckles reciting Tikal's chant
Are you on crack?

>>529064591
He didn't play the game.

>SONICPICT July 2025 Calendar "Mephiles.

>One day, at a cafe" On a hazy afternoon that is neither sunny nor cloudy, in a corner of a cafe in Soleana Castle Town, Mephiles spends time alone with a melancholic expression. His dark heart, whose true intentions no one can fathom, seems to be playing around and enjoying the daily life of the "foolish world"... A disturbing and peaceful time flows by slowly #sonicpict

>>529064342
He's not OOC, I'll just copypaste what I said earlier cause I don't got time to repeat myself.
"OOC" would be if I made Sonic go through a situation that is similar or at least analogous to another situation he's been through, but make him act differently for the sake of the plot. That's me making Sonic inconsistent.
However, if I make Sonic go through something he has never gone through before (making it so the narrative punishes him for his actions instead of rewarding him), and he changes to adapt to this new status quo, then that's not really OOC. Sonic was always supposed to be insecure, it's just that the circumstances were never primed for that to happen. Calling him OOC for that is like saying it would be OOC for Sonic to cry when Tails dies, even though one of his close friends never died for you to even know that.
>>529064591
Yeah, that's why I said "nearly". Maybe read next time. Btw, that's all plot shit and it never comes up in any significant way for the characters.

>>529064697
And what is Mephy going to do with that parfait exactly?
He has no mouth.

I would agree with you guys except for the fact that Blade of Courage is the best Sonic story we have gotten on a printed page in over 20 years

>>529064740
You're trolling.

How would the Sonic cast do in a Cock Magic fight?

>>529064920
Not a high bar

>>529062928
She'd make food tokens

>>529064953
You WISH I were. Much like my Sonic, you see what you want to see, what's more CONVENIENT for you.
Now die.

The Sonic in most western comics is just an extremely generic teen hero guy. I don't understand the idea that he has more depth than the Gary Stu alternative.

>>529063921
Please elaborate it, i would like an explanation, one that not involves real life editorial and writers meddling. I mean in-story.

The Eggfag being hyper critical of Sonic's character is really on brand.

Eggman would definitely hate Sonic's character since he's everything Eggman despises within a person.

>>529063947
Cute N Canon!

>>529064740
Not everything needs to be Shadow's arc or tge Death Egg saga, man. Most adventures are pretty self-contained.

>>529064468
Yes it would be better. We would be worse off as a result

>>529064697
Did they just put this on the website?

>>529065893
>Most adventures are pretty self-contained.
As is the standard with most pulp adventures.

>>529064047
>Chris Thorndyke hate is a meme.
To this day people still slander that kid and got filtered from Sonic X because of him.

His legacy lives on with the hate Wade and Yuta get. They made the right call because there's no way we could take another Chris Thorndyke plot after Ugly Sonic.

>>529065893
Sounds cringe and windpilled. The "shitty friends" people are right in the sense that a lot of these characters serve zero fucking purpose other than being inspired by Sonic once.
Sonic should be written like shounen.

>>529065065
That's a really cute maria.

>>529059901
>His dream, by the end of this arc, will be to become the coolest hero
That's Tails' original motivation, with the one representing that being Sonic.

But regardless, what does "the coolest hero" mean? What does it mean to you, in this context? What does it mean for Sonic, in the context of this narrative? Why is that the goal you've decided that Sonic should aim for?

>>529066264
Wade is Windkino. Change my mind.

Do people really think Ian has the power to end Sonamy? I mean didn't TailsTube and Sonic Channel ignore everything he said?

>>529061415
I will eat my pride the moment i saw a good manic and specially sonia redesign.

>>529066754
Wade Wade Wade the Wade always wins

>>529061415
Man, Sonia is absolutely the hottest hedgehog.

>>529066754
I'm so tired of modern animation

>>529065460
And yet the one person here that he seems to hate or target the most is the one who self-inserts as Tails and thinks Sonic is the absolute coolest thing ever.

>>529066945
If sonic fans actually held SoJ accountable for anything we'd maybe actually get good shit.

>>529052367
Why is knuckles 30 artifacts to win? I don't feel like you collect than many emerald shards in sa1 or sa2.

>>529066965
To be honest I don't think it can or should be done. Do it too much and they stop looking like themselves. It's not like Sonic's SOJ family look that visually distinct anyways.

>>529066945
They threw him a bone by canonizing his version of Knuckles' character development over tge JP one, but his version of Amy's arc got rightfully thrown in the trash, and in the most embarrassing and humiliating way to boot.

>>529066751
I haven't decided on that yet. I'm thinking of it being the hero that Tails sees Sonic as, because when Sonic realizes how little he actually has in terms of character, he gets depressed, and Tails is the one who inspires him to change.
The coolest hero is basically the hero who can dream and always makes things right in the end. Someone who can help anyone see the light the same way Tails did.
>>529066754
Erm, that's mountainkino, actually, because it's Knuckles. But mountainkino doesn't exist because only the wind can inspire and Knuckles has to be a little bitch who needs to learn from Deitynic, so this is actually OOC and west-pilled and you hate Sonic and Sonic would hate you you bigot.

>>529065450
>I mean in-story
He started acting differently because the writer wanted him different. No development. He was just different. Happens all the time with a lot of people on the outside looking in assuming development took place. Nope.

>>529068024
Sonic changes because he wants to change. Writers don't have a say in it lol

>>529066108
About a few days:
https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/special/sidestory/sonicpict/20250623_008970/
https://sonic.sega.jp/sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/upload_images/calendar_2507.pdf
>This is Mephiles' first appearance in SONIC PICT!

>In the game, he was a very elusive character, but perhaps he was spending time like this somewhere in Soleana, tailing someone or lying in wait?
Or maybe he was just after getting a body from Shadow's shadow, and was making plans while playing around in a cafe while blending in with the humans, wondering "What should I do next?"
Combined with Mephiles' meaningful gestures and expressions, this is an illustration that will bring out a lot of such fantasies.

>Spending time in a cafe and lost in thought is a precious experience, isn't it?
I hope you'll enjoy this illustration while spending a wonderful time at your favorite cafe.

>>529067928
How

>>529068134
OC the villain

>>529067928
>his version of Amy's arc got rightfully thrown in the trash, and in the most embarrassing and humiliating way to boot.
Explain.

>Sonic changes because he wants to change. Writers don't have a say in it lol

>>529068114
>Sonic changes because he wants to change. Writers don't have a say in it lol
Follow the chain, bro. The conversation was about Antoine.

>>529068134
06 is canon now
To all the retards who kept claiming that it isn't, how do you feel?

>>529067998
I was watching a video essay by a windfag and they unironically described Sonic as a god and that that's the true vision of Sonic

>>529068536
Now? When was it not? It's a Sonic Team game.

>>529066754
He's actually mountainkino but Sonic would be so proud of Knuckles for inspiring other people that it fits.

>>529068024
Not even the other dude, but what a lame-ass explanation you gave.

>>529068536
Its been canon since day 1 and never stopped. If someone wasnt convinced before they wont be now (and werent worth wasting time on)

>>529068024
>anon clearly said in-story
Babbles about writers
Ok man

>>529068134
>>529068305
Seeing Big barely off-screen on the right in this Soleanna Cafe scene is hilarious since SXSG confirms he actually visited the city and met Princess Elise.

>>529068536
They really are retards, '06 was never NOT canon (unlike the Rivals games that were never put out in Japan). Just because they erased the events of the games post-hoc, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

>>529068257
>>529068349
Did you not see the TailsTube that coincided with the death of BumbleKast?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9WYWiIpVc
>"I'd like to go out and share lovr with the world, Tails!"
>"But isn't that already what you do, Amy?"
>"Oh, I guess so. Anyway, here's forty pictures of my boy-who's-a-'friend', Sonic."

We should see Sonic's other friends going around inspiring people

>>529067998
>I'm thinking of it being the hero that Tails sees Sonic as, because when Sonic realizes how little he actually has in terms of character, he gets depressed, and Tails is the one who inspires him to change.
To a degree, that kind of reminds me of Kamina and Simon. Sort of. I mean, when it's revealed that Kamina's confidence came from what he saw in Simon. Simon always drilling no matter what happens is what motivated Kamina to have the confidence and bravado that he did, but he openly admits that Simon is the one that turns his words into action, or something.

That doesn't necessarily apply to Sonic & Tails, though... Tails saw Sonic race by and decided that he wanted to be cool, too. Sonic, in turn, was impressed by Tails' ability to keep him and simply let the kid do what he wants. What you're looking for would have to be somewhere within this moment, or whatever else happened throughout Sonic 2 that led to their unbreakable bond being forged. The next turning point was Sky Chase & Wing Fortress, though... which is echoed by the Sky Chases in Sonic Adventure.

Tornado gets shot down, Tails gets back up and rebuilds it but better. First with that jet booster attachment thing in Sonic 2, and then by just building an entire new sequel plane in SA1. When Sonic's plane wasn't good enough, Tails built a newer, better advanced version all his own that improves on the initial shortcomings. And that allowed Sonic to reach the Death Egg in Sonic 2, or reach the Egg Carrier in SA1.

... Circling back to "the hero that Tails sees in Sonic", it would just be what already defines Sonic: taking action immediately to do what he thinks is right. For Tails, though... when Sonic falls short, Tails makes up the difference with his own unique skills. Like his brains and stuff, I guess, plus flying...

...

This probably isn't the right direction, exactly. "The coolest hero" probably isn't enough for what Sonic's "goal" should be.

>>529069127
Yeah, that's throwing shade. Eat ass, Flynn.

>>529069127
>they intentionally released it right after they ensured Ian can't open his trap anymore

>>529069127
Even without the flynn factor, amy loving sonic so much does not make amy incapable of sharing her love. I don't get this complain.

>>529064397
Sex with Fang

What did Ian even wanted to do with Amy in the first place

Like what was his vision for her

>>529068536
Rouge is canonically always by shadow's side

>>529068973
Is nice to hear elise and soleanna are still part of the sonic lore.

>>529069127
>>529069365
>>529069515
>>529069587
Anons... ian is on the tailstubes...

>>529069757
>starts gurgling
>N-no. NO
>Grits teeth so hard that they collapse
>Shadow and Rouge are NOT FRIENDS! They HATE EACH OTHER

>>529068536
You know Mephiles was in Forces

>>529069757
>>529069895
Did you reply to yourself?

>>529069895
>SHADOW AND ROUGE ARE BESTIES
>THEY'RE BUSINESS PARTNERS. THEY'RE ALLIES
>AIEEEE HELP ME IAN, SOJ IS BULLYING MEEEEE

>>529069820
Doesn't Evan also write it or am I mistaken?

>>529070017

^-^

>>529069146
>or whatever else happened throughout Sonic 2 that led to their unbreakable bond being forged
Had this idea stemming from the intended dynamic the 2 were meant to have in Sonic 2, where it was based on Picollo and Gohan's from the Saiyan Saga. What if Sonic WAS like Piccolo or Shadow-like in demeanor, and it was Tails and Amy who helped him lighten up to be the Sonic we know today.

>>529070194
Cream the human

>>529068536
We've seen Elise in sonic channel art you goldfish

>>529069820
Tyson Hesse wrote that one.

>>529070173
Evan, Katie, Tyson, yes, its a team effort

>>529070343
Hesse has gone on to say he doesn't like Boom Amy and prefers her Adventure incarnation.

>>529064970
What's that

>>529069757
But anon, gabs said teams are good, so THAT means they're BAD. Rouge needs to hangout with team sonic, or else you're gluing her to shadow. TEAMSHIT is bad, mmkay? Stop trying to write a consistent character. She should hangout with the Chaotix for no reason.

>>529069146
>Circling back to "the hero that Tails sees in Sonic", it would just be what already defines Sonic
Tails would see an IDEALIZED version of Sonic, which is usually a bad thing, but is good in this case since it gives Sonic a guideline to follow.
Sonic's core traits I talked about earlier, that are "Always takes the most convenient path" and "Always takes the lead" are inverted. He starts taking an inconvenient path, and he lets Tails take the lead and help him when he strays off the right path.
>"The coolest hero" probably isn't enough for what Sonic's "goal" should be.
Then what do you suggest? And please actually try to follow my line of thought here. I'm counting on you, Sparky.

>ian hate is so blinding, dudes even complain about him, when hes not the wroter at all.
Geez man, this place sometimes is tiresome, the same when characterfags and shipfags make endless shitposting.

>>529070615
How about instead of TEAMS, we have FRIENDSHIPS?

>>529070343
>>529070415
Lol, Hesse probably rolled his eyes at Amy's "development" in Frontiers.

Isn't the dude also involved in the movies? Judging by him and Pat Casey, Amy should be fine in them.

>>529070846
>Isn't the dude also involved in the movies?
He redesigned Sonic to not look like ass, yes. And I guess the others.

>>529070707
Ian is not going to get you hired, fanboy.

>>529070461
It's just a card game unfortunately

>>529070230
I guess that's a problem with Sonic's actual character differing from what the original dynamic had in mind.

Sonic, by nature, is cool and aloof. If there's any shift that happened really, it'd be Sonic growing more accepting of his bonds with his friends. Sonic is the FASTEST THING ALIVE and values freedom and lives as a nomad, so he likely didn't have many deep friendships before Tails & Amy started chasing him around. Which makes all the difference when Tails did keep up that first time, and stayed by his side the whole adventure. Amy always being one step ahead with her fortune cards, and always showing up in his life frequently thereafter. They are mainstays in his life, no matter where he goes or how fast he runs.

Characters like Chris and Elise had to learn to "let go" of Sonic, but Tails and Amy are able to keep up and stay by his side no matter what. That's likely to have had an effect on Sonic, that leads in to why Sonic is able to embody the principle of 'Open Your Heart' in Sonic Adventure, and impart that very same lesson onto Blaze.

Blaze is Sonic's polar opposite on the other end of the magnetic spectrum, but this may be a case were being so sharply different loops back around to a similar outward effect. Very socially withdrawn and fiercely independent to a fault. But Sonic, being much cooler and chill, was much more receptive of his friends tagging along and helping out even if he may have been somewhat annoyed with them at first. Blaze is much more difficult because she had actual walls built up suppressing her genuine self, which is where she differs from Sonic within the same general outward circumstance.

Stop having sexual thoughts about Sonic's sisters

>>529070615
Honestly the people shitting on gabs yesterday never actually addressed her core arguments. They just shit on her for wanting silvaze and whispangle. Her point about "mixing" up character pairs interfering with relationship development is valid. I'd rather get to know team dark, or team sonic, the chatoix, or team Silver better than see some forced interaction between espio and Tails because some idiot thought it'd be entertaining. It's way better to use established character dynamics. They work, don't fix what's broken.

>>529071334
That is a retarded and smallminded way of thinking. We know how existing dynamics work. It is much more useful to explore ones we don't know about. And nothing is forced as long as a story does a decent job justifying it

>>529071223
>Characters like Chris and Elise had to learn to "let go" of Sonic, but Tails and Amy are able to keep up and stay by his side no matter what.
Amy was considerably slower than Sonic for the entire classic period

>>529071023
>unfortunately

>>529071473
>Amy was considerably slower than Sonic for the entire classic period
Unless you count Origins and Superstars.

Wade is a good Sonic character
Elise is a good Sonic character
Chris is a good Sonic character

>>529071586
... Which doesn't contradict the fact she's the only character in Sonic R that needs a car. And her being slow in Sonic Adventure

Also Amy being fast in these games is just a gameplay thing.

>>529071586
The revision games trying to sell Amy as some girlboss that nobody falls for?

>>529071586
And me modding Amy's SA1 physics to make her faster and her 3 Air and Mania mods so I can pretend she was always there. Fuck it, I like it.

Remember those fake manga spoilers /sthg/ thought were real?

Stop being horny do the right thing and pre-order sonic cross worlds

>>529070998
You're the one taking about him all day. Clearly flynn rape you, or you like to have hate sex with him.

>>529071797
Girl boss? Nigga, she's fun to play. Who cares?
>>529071779
>Also Amy being fast in these games is just a gameplay thing.
And?

>>529071779
Amy got fast between SA1 and 2. That's when she learned to spin

>>529071471
>That is a retarded and smallminded way of thinking
Way to insult me right off that bat. I'm sure you're interested in having a good faith discussion
>We know how existing dynamics work
Hence, they're reliable and we know they'll make for a good cast. See shows like ATLA. According to you we should have split them up because it got stale.
>It is much more useful to explore ones we don't know about.
Useful? When the story is plot-driven, you don't want to waste time trying to introduce characters to one another. Again, you're making a massive assumption that juat because you put Big and Shadow together it'll be entertaining because it's unconventional. It would be boring and lack substance.
>And nothing is forced as long as a story does a decent job justifying it
And once you remember who writes the comics and games...

>>529072106
He's not going to get you hired by Sega or IDW, dude. Just stop.

I wonder how the ones bragging about the latest Mario Kart feel about people going back to the previous game....

>>529071334
>>529071471
I think it's issue of scarcity of on-screen time, Teamfags don't get enough exposure to indulge their known dynamics so throwing other characters into a blender to see more interesting/eclectic pairings seems like an opportunity cost. Just need to make the games a bit longer IMO. Oddly enough I think '06 had a pretty good mix of both by the end.

>>529072126
>And?
And she needs a car in Sonic R

>>529072217
Nah.

I like how Rouge and Cream's designs still work when translated to a Genesis sprite. Simplify them a bit and swap the colored eyes with black ones and you got a Classic design. Nothing radical needed to be done.

Do you guys think that if some Essay/Commentary youtuber found this place they would make a video titled something like "The Most Degenerate Part Of The Sonic Fandom..."

>>529072063
Not until they put in classic characters like Fang, Mighty, Bean, and Bark and maybe Vectorman and Warhead since Sega's pulling from their other IPs

>>529072217
Who on this earth would want to be hired by sega or idw. This place doesn't even like sonic on the first place, pay attention.

>>529072615
This place is pretty tame most of the time honestly

>>529072615
>they would make a video titled something like "The Most Degenerate Part Of The Sonic Fandom..."
That's still not here.

>>529072216
>According to you we should have split them up because it got stale.
ATLA did many episodes that put different combinations of characters together. In fact, every episode that had Zuko paired with a Gaang member was great, hence Toph's joke about it
>When the story is plot-driven, you don't want to waste time trying to introduce characters to one another. Again, you're making a massive assumption that juat because you put Big and Shadow together it'll be entertaining because it's unconventional. It would be boring and lack substance.
Firstly, not all stories are plot driven, some are character driven. Secondly, my argument against this is Sonic Rivals 2. That game had no business putting Silver and Espio together and yet it works and remains a pretty good pairing for a character who only has him or Blaze to pick from. Shadow and Metal are similarly fondly remembered.
>And once you remember who writes the comics and games...
I don't discount ideas just on the premise of "well Ian would fuck it up so there goes that"
Plus, Ian doesn't ALWAYS fuck everything up. His Sonic in Frontiers is perfect and Shadow Generations is pretty good for the most part. So in a game where clearly ST takes it a little more seriously, it can be good.

>>529072520
>I like how Rouge and Cream's designs still work when translated to a Genesis sprite. Simplify them a bit and swap the colored eyes with black ones and you got a Classic design. Nothing radical needed to be done.
I've been looking for an excuse to post this for the last 8 months so thanks.

>>529050783
He said theory. Not reality.

>>529072520
I've seen a guy here say (maybe it was Paps) that a good test for character design is making sure they can work in sprite form
>>529072364
>06 good mix
I disagree. 06 was teams, with Amy on Silver's, and they didn't mix that much. Rouge doesn't interact with Blaze or Amy. The crossing in particular was revolving around the hedgehogs since a Chaos Control time travel was integral to each story turning point.

>>529061014
>>529071779
>And her being slow in Sonic Adventure
To be fair, the bird needed to catch up with her.

MY HEROES

>>529073215
Yeah and Chip had to catch up with Sonic in Unleashed

>>529073215
i really didn't realize how wide amy was before, its cute

>>529061503
I love it when a fandom's most hated character wins at life in the end.

Kit-kun

>>529069686
You will raise his next bastard.

>>529072520
That's Uekawa design for you.

>>529072792
That's the cutest thing I've seen in a while.

>>529061503
Antoine only became better in Archie, where basically everyone was OOC, but instead of deteriorating like everyone else, Antoine ended up improving because his original characterization was already the subject of mockery.

>>529070670
>Then what do you suggest?
Hmm...
>I don't think you understand. Sonic doesn't HAVE a future. He doesn't have a dream. His dream, by the end of this arc, will be to become the coolest hero, and THAT will lead to change in his character.

>>529055924
>Eventually, he realizes that he's not thinking about the future, only the present. That he's picking the path most convenient for him right now, that he has never built anything, and has nothing to offer.

I think a problem here is that you're focusing so much on making Sonic an underdog that you're trying to turn him into Tails. Give him what Tails has. Having a strong goal and building towards the future is what Tails does. He has workshops and laboratories filled with inventions under his name, because he's always tinkering. Tails has the potential to revolutionize the world into Sonic CD's Good Futures.

However... characters like Simon the Digger and Deku are only able to realize that potential and have that change on the world because they are following the example laid out by their mentors. All Might and Kamina were living mascots symbolizing a set of themes and ideals that resonated with thousands of people, uniting them all together under that shared goal. Deku and Simon simply carried on that goal, and brought it even further to life in a way All Might and Kamina could not.

Between Sonic & Tails, that same kind of foundation isn't there as strongly. Sonic has no aspirations, so Tails' desire to "reach the highest of all the heavens" doesn't have any solid ground either. But if there ever would be... it would be to bring those Good Futures from CD into reality. But...

All Might and Kamina, even with their own "flaws" and "shortcomings" that necessitated Deku and Simon, only had the goals they do because of their worlds. Meaning, the best way to give Sonic a goal of his own, would be for the world to be a prison. Where it's not enough for HIM to be free, but he has to "Free" everyone else, too.

>>529073782
He is the earth

>>529073782
yandere water fox

>>529072063
I don't care who the yakuza sends. I'm not buying crossover slop.

>>529073492
>>529073886
To ve honest he deserves it, he was really cool on archie, specially on the flynn run.

>>529072063
>>529074280
I'm gonna pre order the Collector's Edition soon

Which is worse /v/ or /co/?

>>529073996
Allmight my dearest

Rouge says: Ugh, human, please massage my backne!

>They're playing Blitz out there and they're not telling us anything about it
Is it that shit?

>>529070670
>>529073996 (me)
At first, I was trying to think that maybe the answer lies inbetween Tails' aspiration towards a greater goal, Amy's desire for a deeper relationship, and Knuckles' sense of duty, but thinking it further I decided that's not the right direction.

What makes other characters like Sonic work is that their worlds are very strongly built in-opposition to them. In a world where Sonic & Knuckles are rivals, if Sonic is the protagonist, then the entire world has to be built around KNUCKLES and HIS ideals. A world of order, where chaos is outlawed. "Freedom" means rebelling against what keeps society running efficiently.

"Sonic" and his way of life is a problem that this world can not allow. Knuckles as a Guardian would have to protect this world from the threat that Sonic appears to be, while Sonic knows that this world's imprisonment is an unnatural corruption. Like, a world where Eggman either is in power already or is on the path to gaining that absolute control.

Point is, a world that is Anti-Sonic. In that case, Sonic's desire for freedom becomes an ambition. Even if he alone is already as free as he is now, it's not enough. Because not only is the whole world against him, but everyone else is trapped in prisons of their own, even if they don't realize it. To such a degree, that it's not enough to just beat the evil bad guy in charge, and call it a day. It's a much more complicated case where "freeing someone" isn't as simple as destroying a robotic shell, because the shackles run deep into the soul.

And there's very strong reasons and arguments for that system to be in place, against the "freedom" Sonic believes in because they know how it can lead to corruption and destruction on his world. Give everyone freedom, and you can have a whole world of Jokers destroying everything. Which means the simple task of freeing everyone also has to mean ensuring that the people don't all just become hedonistic Jokers, either.

How was your day?

>>529074404
/v/. It's easier to have discussion on /co/ and there is less trash threads being spammed despite there being more schizos.

>>529074404
I can't stand discussing on /co/ because its filled with archiefags and other people who dont give a shit about the real Sonic. At least theres a good balance of people ready to fight back when you some stupid shit

>>529049075 (OP)
Fuck Ian

>>529074569
Thank goodness the mha wrapped up before he could ruin Endeavor fully

>>529074404
>>529074830
I dunno man, v is trash but saying this place is better is delusional.
This place only shitpost about idw hate, flynn, shipping, characterfagging and non-stop lives with porn and hands on their genitals.
Maybe when this general started, now not so much.

>>529072063
I'm saving up next month to pre-order the paypig edition

>>529062928
closeup of her boobies

>>529074794
Yes

>>529074794
pretty good, made big progress on a drawing i'm working on
now i just need to touch it up and paint it

>>529074706
Probably. It's card game slop. People just see a deep cut, read their bio, hope this means the character will be in something better in the future, and then put the game down to not touch it until the next set of deep cuts update.

>>529074963

>>529074963
I do feel bad but-

Mimic
>Dead, nobody cared about seeing him
Clutch
>Incapacitated. Nobody is interested in hum
Rough and Tumble
>At large, but not interesting
Kit
>Going full schizo, only talked about for boyposting
Surge
>Her fandom wants her to get dicked by her worst enemy

The absolute state of IDW villains

https://youtu.be/z3GBVjg8A6o?si=oer5tnypc00MOKrN
Sonic 1 and Super Mario World played side by side

>>529074963
Ok jokes aside when has Silver EVER other than the kick.exe has he been in fraud watch

Sonic had a rough transition to the PS2.
His transition to GameCube was okay.

>>529071473
>Amy was considerably slower than Sonic for the entire classic period
But, she's always able to find him by being one step ahead due to her fortune telling.

Tails has the ability to catch up with his flight, and Amy has the ability to know where Sonic is going before he gets there. That is what allows both to remain staples in Sonic's life no matter where he's going or how fast he's running.

>>529074724 (me)
To elaborate just a little bit further...

The current foundation of the Sonic series, from the very beginning, is Looney Tunes. Wile E. Coyote & the Roadrunner. Wile E. can never succeed, he's always going to fail to catch the Roadrunner, and the Roadrunner can simply run freely without a care in the world and taunt Wile E. when his traps blow up in his face. Underneath all the actual epic adventures and stories and character development happening around them, Sonic & Eggman are just the Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote in a never-ending loop.

Or, to be more precise, they're like if Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney / Yen Sid became the Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote. To give Sonic any sense of "development" in a way that fits the character as he already is, you'd need to first swap that dynamic in a fundamental way. Or, alternatively, apply a third factor that forces Sonic to be at a disadvantage as well.

IDW needs more sex villains

>>529074963
Are you new to Sonic? They were frauds before Ian even wrote for Sonic.
>but Ian started writing before 06
Silver was a fraud since his concept.

>>529075402
>sex villains
what, like rapists?

>>529075125
anon said /v/ or /co/

i haven't touched the IDW stuff but I wonder if the reason the comic is so ass is because of the poor writting or because the heavy restriction SEGA puts on them. Maybe is both. Regardless I am glad I never was invested on it and I only care about how the new official ocs look, mostly Surge and that's it.

>>529074963
my FUARKING FRAUDS

>>529075132
You only have a week brother good luck

>>529074963
>>529075193
I want to complain about those bullshit moments but talking straight, metal loosing was expected but i feel is more about batman having invincible plot armor is a fact, still it was really stupid how metal lost just for a motorcycle crash.
Silver being lame is more about idw loving their writers pet woke oc's but it was bullshit how silver wasnt the main fighter while whisper did the final hit, didn't help wakes in idw made the final panel the most obvious pride shot ever.

Miles

>>529075373
>But, she's always able to find him by being one step ahead due to her fortune telling.
Not a thing in the classic days. Amy was a non factor in the classic games after CD (and in CD too tbqf). She only returns in the Drift games, R and Fighters which are tournaments with other characters involved too

>>529075250
>Nobody is interested in hum
>but not interesting

I'm on it

>>529075632
a week? the game comes out in September 25th

>>529074794
I considered suicide again.

>>529061014
Depends, we know Shade and Argus would've been given canon status if not for the lawsuit (plus IDW characters being reused here and there) but Tiara comes from a time where SoA and SoJ hated each other so she probably would've been shafted, especially since they likely wouldn't care about adding another love interest either. Maybe she would have a chance nowadays though.
Beyond the games, Tiara likely would've been imported into Archie (don't know about Fleetway but why not?) but like Amy/Mina, she also would've been squandered and used for melodrama to push Sally/Sonally especially since Tiara's personality would've meshed better with Archie Sonic since she was made to do just that. If not Amy, all things considering with her age plot bullshit, him and Tiara would've been a battle couple (sharing speed, attitude, powers, etc.).
Though most of all, the ship wars would've been even more retarded.

>>529075193
>IDW nerfed Silver

For what

>>529075568
It's not restriction because restriction isn't that heavy, as we can see they literally aren't restricted enough.

>>529074963
I'M A GOOFY FRAUDER YEAH

>>529075568
>the heavy restriction SEGA puts on them
The heavy restrictions is saving what's left of this comic. The reason this comic is so down in the dumpster is because of Ian and Evan being upset they can't write the Archieslop they want and deconstruct Sonic while crying "mandates won't let us do anything" when all they had to do was write within the scope of what the mandates give them and stop trying to circumvent it where they can because it will always be half assed because they can never go all out.

>>529075758
>Depends, we know Shade and Argus would've been given canon status if not for the lawsuit (plus IDW characters being reused here and there) but Tiara comes from a time where SoA and SoJ hated each other so she probably would've been shafted,
X-Treme was coming out in Japan too, they replaced Sally with Tiara specifically because Sally wasn't a thing in Japan. Tiara is just a Sally clone

>>529075679
>Not a thing in the classic days
False, and you know that. The only reason Amy is even in CD, plot-wise, is because her fortune cards told her she'd have a destined encounter.

Amy is already there in Palmtree Panic before Sonic gets there. She is waiting for him at the end of Act 1, when Sonic comes running by, and she runs up and hugs him like she does to Shadow and Silver in their first encounters with her.

Gabs is clearly okay with crackships, so I don't understand her stance on Sonic teams

>>529075250
They could bring Infinite back as a crazed berserker schizo whose been living in a cave for the past year who has been doing absolutely nothing but training to fight Shadow, and only Shadow.

>>529075747
Pre orders end July 6

>>529075323
He isn't popular so technically he's a fraud.

>>529076067
I know all that but her fortune cards were a non factor up until Frontiers. Nearly three decades of them being irrelevant

>>529075838
Silver wasn't nerfed, people just don't know what's happening because Ian just expects everyone to know how Heroes gameplay worked. The yellow power core lets you damage and stun people with Thunder Shoot. Mimic keeps spamming it and stuns Silver over and over which is why Silver keeps clutching his head

wales just made sex education mandatory for 3 year olds

>>529075750

>>529076349
Ian Flynn did that.

>>529076341
Dude, no. Amy has always been a fortune teller, and that ability (including the cards) have never been a "non-factor".

>>529075140

>>529076347
Breaking free of Silver's grasp is nerfing Silver. Nobody can just break free of it. That's not how it works.

>>529076349
for what purpose? does wales have the age of consent to be 16 too?

>>529076180
Oh I'm buying it on Steam, Sega doesn't ship to where I live.

>>529076349
Clown world. I didn't even have a functioning memory at 3.

Do you have any tattoos sthg?

>>529076349
The whales have gone too far.

>>529076349
Good. They have to learn somehow and the current way of "kids just discover shit themselves eventually" doesn't work

>>529076001
>Tiara is just a Sally clone
It definitely appeared that way at first but Tiara gradually started being more like Sonic hell, she even had electric powers. Tiara essentially would've been what Sonurgefags think Surge is.

>>529076656
I am so fucking lucky

>>529076713
Geoffrey...

>>529076471
>Literally all in the 20th century
Insane that Pontaff got eaten alive for admitting they use wikis while Ian Flynn's entire career being wiki scouring heckin epic lore gets endlessly sucked off.

>>529075425
So why can't we fully replace Metal with Shadow?

>>529076595
worked flawlessly for 100k years

>>529076347
That's tails power core mf, it lets him fly, and if not the case how was tangle able to catch him and how was he faster then Silver and how...

>>529076559
I have a scar on my foot from when I was younger. Does that count?

>>529076263
No u
>>529076347
Oh ok that makes sense but still Silver should know better he has to protect the future how can you protect the future and you're letting yourself get spammed like that are you weak?

Why did they cancel X-treme but not 06?
Both are rushed messes.

>>529076507
>Breaking free of Silver's grasp is nerfing Silver.
He's not breaking free though. Silver is getting STUNNED and letting go of him. You can see it when he uses one of his tentacles to activate it and it shoots off. Thunder Shoot is a ranged attack.

>>529076595
No, people did just fine for thousands of years without some creeps being paid to tell children about lgbt bdsm.

>>529076753
Ian hates Shadow.

>>529076751
Because Ian cultivated a cult through Archie that was about him being "one of us fans".

>>529075976
>deconstruct Sonic while crying "mandates won't let us do anything"
Why are millenial nerds so obsessed with deconstruction?

>>529076753
In a perfect world, Shadow and Metal would have just been the one character. Either Metal OR Shadow, not both.

But we have both, and they have their own fanbases that would strongly argue how NOT the same they are, so not much we can do.

>>529076805
Is it Sonic shaped?

>>529076349
>american problems
I will never get why americans, are afraid of sex education, every countrie does it at young age.
Is even more annoying by how hypocrite it is, because their media is full of sex and violence, but ironically god forbid to show a nipple.
>>529076595
Agree.

>>529076471
But they weren't relevant to her appearances in the classic games. Amy in general wasn't a relevant character at all during the later years of classic, she only appeared in games that needed to fill a roster like the racing games or fighters. After the manga died less than two years in publication she became pretty irrelevant. Your idea of wanting Amy to be relevant to Sonic's character change in the classic times is revisionist. She only became relevant to Sonic himself in the modern games. She wasn't in 3D Blast she wasn't in Jam and she was only added to X-Treme late into development as a replacement to Tiara. She literally only appeared in roster games, like how Blaze is used nowadays

Here's Amy being lumped with the other lesser classic characters in the Sonic Jam guidebook

>>529077071
It sadly isn't

>>529076909

and he didn't do that with Tangle and Whisper because...

>>529076753
Shadow is not evil or Eggdad's kid. He's good and Gerald and Black Doom's love child.

>>529076824
IIRC X-treme's development sounded absolutely awful, apparently the art team and programmers were at odds with each other and started fights or some shit. I don't think they were able to even make a playable build, just tests.

>>529076349

>>529076985
Because everything's already been done so they think the only solution is to do the opposite which they call "subversion" which has basically amounted to not committing to a set up and being disappointing and telling everyone "That's the point."

>>529076938
Ian can eat a dick. Why can't we replace Metal with Shadow?

>>529077239
Tails doesn't know about sex

>>529077117
>Metal Sonic was a lesser character

>>529076765
Yellow cores are collectable in heroes. You can level them up to increase stun, damage and flight duration.
>>529077151
>and he didn't do that with Tangle and Whisper because...
He's retarded and probably thought Silver was the only one worth using it on. He doesn't take Whisper or Tangle seriously enough and that was his downfall

>>529077117
>Espio & friends
man he really was pushed as the main star of the chaotix in the early days.

>>529076824
It was a casualty of the war between SoJ and SoA during an era where Sega could have died. Had Naka just let them used the Nights engine, they probably would have finished it.

>>529077117
Amy and Tails were developed by separate teams after Sonic Team split post-Sonic 1. The "Sonic 2 ~ 3K" side had priority or whatever afterwards, while CD is often overlooked as just a side game or whatever.

Which translates into Amy always being left behind when she was around longer than even Tails was. Amy is, and always was intended to be, a core character in the series. Don't downplay her significance.

>>529076816
Ian’s Silver is retarded and has no critical thinking skills. He thinks being naive makes Silver stupid. Like genuinely completely fucking braindead.

>>529077385
>Metal Sonic was a lesser character
The moment Shadow existed was the moment that became reality.

>>529077438
Eh. If Sonic Xtreme happened we probably wouldn't have gotten the Adventure games. It was a blessing in disguise.

>>529077415
Mimic didn't stun him, there should be an indication, he just left his hold and headbutt him.

>>529076909
Dude what? Nothing like that even happens

>>529077331
>which has basically amounted to not committing to a set up and being disappointing and telling everyone "That's the point."
Sounds like an excuse for laziness.

>>529077632
I still would have liked to play Xtreme. It looked weird in a fun way and I have always been fascinated with early 3D.

>>529076418
>>529075750
Sonic's thoughts concerning An Hero'ing are somewhat inconsistent.

>>529077359
Look I got no other answer besides Ian fell for the "Ow the Edge" meme and will never make Shadow look cool in the IDW comics.
Probably STILL thinks that joke is funny.

>>529077508
Why wasn't in Amy present in Knuckles Chaotix (ignoring the little cameo)? Why wasn't Amy present in 3D Blast? Why wasn't Amy considered for X-Treme until later in development? Why wasn't Amy in the SegaSonic Arcade games? Why wasn't Amy in the 8-bit games beyond the Drift ones? Why did Amy barely get fewer SegaSonic plushies than Sonic, Tails, Eggman and the animal characters?

>>529077919
One is killing himself out of shame. The other was killing herself to avoid captivity

>>529071473
Anon, the way she reminisces, she hasn't seen him in years. Sonic Adventure takes place after a timeskip where Sonic's been on a journey by himself (he even says so in an optional ingame recap). Amy hasn't been chasing him in that time and has settled down in a mundane life up until Eggman makes his presence known in her city. She's a bit out of shape at the time of SA1.

WAHOO

starting to mist shadria posts

>>529076816
>>529077518
Ian has always written Silver as incredibly incompetent and in IDW he also writes him as clumsy and not having a good grasp on his fucking powers. Ian's Silver is also incredibly passive and doesn't think ahead or learn from his experiences unless it's from one of his mentors that he's helpless without. Silver is supposed to be impulsive but only when his emotions get the better of him while Ian just writes him as having nothing between his ears.

>>529078027
I did not consider the nuance, my apology.

>>529078038
She drives a car in Sonic R

>>529078071
I don't. Why would you miss ship spam.

>>529077418
Because it wasn't "Knuckles'" Chaotix in Japan, or on the title screen.

I think Mighty should have been the core 4th member for Classic after Mania.

>>529078016
All an after-effect of how the team split after Sonic 1, and Yuji Naka having a bias against Amy's very role even existing.

Regardless, the original point was simply about how Tails and Amy were able to keep up with Sonic in different ways from the beginning. Trying to downplay Amy's importance or whatever is irrelevant.

>>529056062
>speed pack
>silver

>>529078179
It's Ian trying to "fix" Silver since he can only write characters by thinking he can do better than the people who created them.

Amy love!

>>529078263
Why don't you like it? There were nice discussions about Shadow's character

>>529078071
Where's Krack?

>>529076418
I prefer the english version

>>529077663
>>529077693

>>529078474
Me too but i value jp above all

>>529078321
Stop posting Slopotix. Iizukabro btw.

>>529078236
A crazy magic car that hovers over water because she doesn't want to get her dress wet.

>>529078513
The tentacle activates the Flight Core to fly. I certainly dont see any electricity buzzing to indicate Thunder Shoot has been used

I need to cuddle Silver right now

Thoughts on 06 Eggman theme?

>>529078520
redditslop

>>529076142
That would be unironically kino

>>529078629
What?

>>529078353
Naka didn't like Amy? Is there proof of this?

>>529078603
No, you need to listen to the Shadow of the Colossus OST.

I love them

>>529078513
If there was any "thunder" tangle wouldn't be able to grab onto him.

>>529078353
>All an after-effect of how the team split after Sonic 1, and Yuji Naka having a bias against Amy's very role even existing.
Dude Amy was commissioned by the higher ups at SoJ if the Japanese wanted to use her they would just use her. They didn't want because they didn't care much about her
>Regardless, the original point was simply about how Tails and Amy were able to keep up with Sonic in different ways from the beginning.
That didn't happen in any classic game
>"but the tarot car-"
She only used them in CD. Her appearances in Drift 1, Drift 2, Fighters and R are only there to fill the rosters. She wasn't relevant to Sonic until Adventure

>>529078668
JPuristcringe

>>529078591
The dash when he hits Silver is lightning shaped

>>529078946
Which is showing his flight pattern. Again no electricity is sparking up. If silver had some sparks around his head the idea would be sold

>>529078321
I know about Knuckles overtaking his spot in the game, I was more so referring to how Espio seemed to be the face for the chaotix in the classic era compared to the modern era where Vector is the leader of the Team and "breakout character" so to speak. unrelated but that's a cool gif

Silver jobbed to Mimic. Just accept it, Silverfags.

https://youtu.be/iYZIUtDAFIw?si=CxodFr7rm4c6lNoy

>>529078513
Bro just flying freely like a bird no stun needed to beat Silver
Yeah they nerfed the fuck out of him
>inb4 the story is short or real Silver would end it quickly
They could write it better still, like holding Whisper at knife point while being held or actually hurting civilians, both of these will cause Silver to either let him go or keep him away for a while longer(extra points that Mimic causes someone to need medical attention immediately)

Zavok would have taken care of Mimic

>>529078550
Classic Amy wasn't fast she was just an npc civilian

80 will be lame, not even ragebait like last issue

>>529078378
He's proven that he doesn't understand anything about Silver that isn't explicitly stated to him.
You know how Silver can fly almost as fast as Sonic can run? Well every time Ian writes a scene with Silver flying it's slower than people falling and not comparable to Sonic or other speedsters. This happened in Archie, the scene where he and Sonic are racing to Starline's lab and again in the new issue where he has to let go of Tangle for her to be fast enough.

>>529079213
Zavok would have married Mimic. IDW is weak. Zavmic or Mimvok >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whispangle

Why did Uncle Cluck appear in Underground?

"Replace Ian"
With who? Anyone you pick will either be a less experienced writer or know less about Sonic the Hedgehog

>>529078445
This isn't even about the ship. It's about being annoying and this aggressive need for others to approve of your ship. The shadariafags would constantly pick fights or antagonize others.

>>529078463
Dead

>>529079472
Me.

>>529079472
krack or sparky

>>529079247
Let's not forget "he doesn't act rude or disrespectful in the history of the franchise"

>>529079504
Any professional writer that bothers to get entry level information about the series would do miles better than Ian.

>>529079453
Why not? Him appearing gave us the best Tamers character too.

>>529079213
Tangle > Mimic
Mimic > Silver
Silver > Zavok
Zavok > Tangle
Rock paper scissors if you ask me

>>529079507
What happened

Why isn't Crossworlds open world?

>>529079638
Tranny mass report on twitter and she killed herself afterwards

>>529079472
Yuki Imada.

>>529079592
meant for >>529079472

>>529079472
There... is one.....

How Sparky would write Shadally

>>529079720
>replace a guy who couldnt write in canon with another guy who cant write in canon

>>529079712
big oof

>>529079472
Jim Carrey.

>>529079843
Didnt he contribute to the idw prequill

>>529079797
>Lying: The Post

>>529079792
Pretty sure he's said that because Sally is meant to be a foil of Sonic, and Shadow is meant to be a dark reflection of Sonic, that it would just be dark Sonamy.

>>529079472
It has to be someone who likes Dragon Ball, Kingdom Hearts and going outside.

>>529079792
... I probably wouldn't, honestly.

But if I did... I'd probably have it be like... start off with an example of the Sonic and Sally dynamic, Sally wishes Sonic would be more serious and focused on the mission instead of treating life like a fun adventure. Then she ends up in a situation with Shadow and sees how he's the type to focus exclusively on the mission, no time for games, and she's head over heels instantly.

But he's so coldly efficient and focused that any flirting or whatever that she attempts falls on deaf ears, because Shadow has no time for any of that. Rouge knows that very well. This frustrates Sally so much, she ends up complaining like... Why can't Shadow be more relaxed and carefree like Sonic? And then, through all of this, she finds a deeper appreciation for who Sonic naturally is.

And all of this would be a small part of a much larger storyline all about deconstructing Sonally because Sonic is clearly for Amy. But not in a mean spirited way or anything. It just ultimately wouldn't work because of their differing lifestyles, but it'd make an interesting story to explore between them in some capacity.

>>529079472
Just can the Western writers as a whole and make the Sonic Team writers do their job.

>>529080347
Why are windfags always so based?

>>529061014
Eh, doubt she'd make a lasting impact.
>made as a notSally
>due to all the story revisions, we have no good idea what she is -- is she a princess, a professor's daughter, both, or neither? (The published story in that magazine? The one that everyone knows? Was made up for the magazine because they hadn't decided yet and they needed something to use.)
>gets canned because the devs forgot that Amy existed, so pretty much half the mystque of X-Treme is gone since she wouldn't have even made it
>Archie sermingly would've gone in a different direction where she's affiliated with Uncle Chuck instead of Prof.Gazebo
>Japs probably would've treated her as a one-off

>>529080347
kek So basically the same as Shadally comix
>>529080531
Why is her rump out?

>>529080020
None of his works are within game canon.

Krack finally killed herself. Good riddance.

>>529079636
Oh i didn't mean in a fight

>Doesn't understand Silver's personality
>Doesn't understand Silver's naivety
>Doesn't understand Silver's impulsivity
>Doesn't understand Silver's powers
>Doesn't understand Silver's general skillset (thinks Silver doesn't know how to do literally anything because he's from the apocalypse)
>Didn't understand Silver's backstory
Never let Ian write Silver again

Vault Silver.

>>529079951
He did.
The prequill has thrice the amount of action and events taking place compared to the typical IDW issue. Now, yeah, they probably had more freedom doing this one, but it did seem that his contribution was positive.

>>529080683
Awesome

Duo won?

>>529079712
>>529080683
Come on, guys, that didn't actually happen... right?

>>529080652
>This is the "gotcha" a Flynnfag can come up with.

>>529080850

>>529080974
I mean, she hasn't said anything ever since she got banned
>>529080939
Yes, unironically

Vault all of Sonic's shitty friends. We need more Sonic-only stories.

Removing Tails wisdom teeth

Ian derangement syndrome needs to be studied

It's not about being the coolest hero but to be the guardian to create heroes, for if I die, others would take up so no hope is lost

>>529080980
How do you glean me being a flynnfag from my first comment saying ian couldnt write within game canon? I dont have to like what you hate to hate what you like

>>529080731
It cannot be understated that if if weren't for JP Purists, this character would be totally dead since nobody could ever understand him.

>>529081078
>How dare you call a hack a hack!
Are you one of Ian's many paypigs?

>>529080531
>>due to all the story revisions, we have no good idea what she is -- is she a princess, a professor's daughter, both, or neither? (The published story in that magazine? The one that everyone knows? Was made up for the magazine because they hadn't decided yet and they needed something to use.)
I remember the princess stuff was dropped entirely, pretty sure she was still a daughter of the Professor and they were ring masters or something. She also would've had electric powers.

We lost two sthg major twitterfags today. Wow.

>>529081036
>I mean, she hasn't said anything ever since she got banned

>>529081138
Anon that goes onto everyone.

Tiara sexo

Also, sex with Rava the destroyer.

Did it really happen or is it another schizo post? I'm lost.

>>529081090
Where is your proof that Imada can't write game canon? His work has been praised for being closer to the games than whatever slop Ian writes.

>>529080850
Calvin and Hobbes?

>>529080683
Good riddance but who the fuck cares? I hope this twitter shit ends.

>>529081220
Who. Gives. A. Fuck?

Windfag commited suicide

>>529081396
>but who the fuck cares?
I care, she hasn't posted tits.

>>529081047
You probably think Sonic needs a gay looking backpack too, right?

>>529081331
Looks a bit out of place for a sonic character

I can't imagine killing yourself over xitter

>>529081510
Do you really think I care about some titty? Why would that matter?

>>529081257
Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Eggman, Rouge, Omega, Cream, Blaze and the Chaotix don't need JP Purists.

>>529081680
Anon they literally do except probably Rouge, Cream and the Chaotix simply because no one cares about their personality.

>>529081393
>where is your proof
Reading what he put out? Shadow Gens doesn't take place in the game canon, its an adaptation that doesnt give a shit about Sonic lore or the game its adapting and just tells its own story. A good story, but not a story that fits within the game canon timeline
Then he wrote the prequill. Movie canon

>>529081565
I think he was actually designed for Movie 1 (probably the same designer as Longclaw) and he was so bad they snuck him in a Movie 2 comic as a joke.

Krack isn't dead
She just liked another Shadaria porn on her Inkbunny profile

>>529082031
I didnt know she had inkbunny

>>529082031
Really?

>>529081369
Calvin is certainly wind-related.

>>529081565
Yeah. I remember Rava was originally a villain alien lizard designed for movie 1, but that entire storyline got cut. They had some cool concept art for him.

>>529082031
>Too busy gooning to even give a fuck about getting banned
She really is a femcel.

>>529081904
This is a very retarded argument.

Could you fuck off with your namefag drama?

>>529082254
Being sold on character is not a guarantee you can keep the continuity or lore right. I'm not interested in sacrificing one to get the other if guys like Toyoda can just do both

>>529081220
Duo is gone? Finally.

Rava x this lizarr

>>529082416
No, krack and qqlettuce.

>>529082419
>Best character design Archie ever spat out
>Killed off immediately by Eve because Sonic decided to do windshit for once

>>529080347
>and she's head over heels instantly.
Now this is Sally.

>>529076349
That's textbook grooming.

>>529079472
Ian Mutchler

>>529082454

>>529082771
>bad at Shadow
Ehh

>>529082454
Why does he have shark teeth

Evan Stanley's sonic art has gotten so good.

>>529082773

Instead of talking about random people drama. Tell me what is your favorite sonic game and why, /sthg/!!

>>529083176
this but Shadow grabbing Krack's hand

Imagine CD but it's Shadow instead. https://youtu.be/S4hhtTUMLjg

Evan Stanley should write for the games.

>Sonic Advance 2 disassembly is happening
The better games when?

>>529083270
>favorite sonic game
SA2
>why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1BRZg0GG0A

>>529083329
If it's an Amy game, sure. But never for Sonic.

>>529083270
SA2, Chao

>>529082848
No one can't do Shadow unless?

>>529082073
They literally turned Eggman into Doofenshmirtz in Frontiers.

I think Sonic the Hedgehog is cute

If the handheld games were so good, why didn't they save the franchise in the 2000s?

>>529084020
Amy...

>>529084020
Knuckles...

>>529084020
I think you should be admitted into a mental health facility.

>>529083314
Just realized their 2nd fight in SA2 was a remake of the Metal fight in CD.

>>529083270
>favorite sonic game
SA2
>why?
Despite it's faults I still think it's a great a game, it's also the sonic game played the most when I was younger. I have a lot of fond memories playing multiplayer with my cousins.

>>529083270
3&k
it never gets old, i've lost count of how many times i've played it

>>529084117
Eggman...

>>529084212
People don't get put in mental health facilities for autism anymore.

>>529084117
Because the handhelds got mogged by Mario and Zelda handhelds

>>529084117
I guarantee you Sonic would be a memory if we didn't have the handheld games keeping the franchise afloat while the console games made misstep after misstep.

>>529074963
>did we beat him, Metal?
>Silver, that was Amy Rose

>>529084331
Dammit I ruined it.
>>529084020

>>529084437
sexy badger

>>529084437
It's not fair bros. She was so cute, bring her back.

>>529082441
FUCK.

>>529084437
The console games made money so...

>>529084117
Because at the end of the day they were minor spin-offs?

>>529070415
Hesse also works on the movies btw.

>>529084337
This general would be quite funny if it did. Half the anons here would probably see each other at the cafeteria.

>>529083839
>>529083974
>>529084320
It's sad since I never got around to play the adventure games, one day I will since they look like fun.
>>529084321
I think 3&K is my favorite game out of the og ones. Almost everything is perfect to me!

>>529084437
Nobody gives a FUCK about the handhelds. We had Advance and Rush but they were all ignored for Sonic Mania and Santiago dicksucking and the legacy of Sonic Battle is DBZ parody animations.

>>529082419
That lizard girl needed more fanart.

>>529083270
I have a hard time picking favorites but I guess SA1
>why
Sonic and his stages are just that good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueI4CuxYTw
Emerald Coast is my 2nd most played song right behind Dreams

>>529084972
They are on sale right now, $10 for both. If you have a PC you should grab them. They are the best 3D sonics we ever got IMO.

>>529085063
I tried to correct that injustice with two pictures of her, but I probably should try doing a few more.

>>529085021
>the legacy of Sonic Battle is DBZ parody animations.
FUCK YEAH