Thread 537894706

Anniversary Edition

>Update 10.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/260-patch-notes-10-0

>August Community update
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/253-august-community-update

>Year 2 Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/61HZRF3.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>537486548

I told you bro
i told you about them mutators
>I feel your pain

BROTHERS!
CODES!

Wait, they’re all locked to fucking balanced? Man that’s lame. Also where is the new beak? Will it be later in the update or did they just show it knowing full well it’s months away?

>>537895123
What region?

>>537894957
Just tried the one with the heavy burden modifier
Died at the entrance to the armoury silo not able to do shit, dying for a second time with all damage taken being from allies
I bet they don't even really receive any indication that they're taking it, I seemed to be suffering the stagger from it too

>>537895614
>I bet they don't even really receive any indication that they're taking it, I seemed to be suffering the stagger from it too
guarantee you they didn't and they won't figure it out for another few days. if you want it done right now you'll probably have to post lobbies but seeing as its 10am est on a thursday you're probably not going to get too many
as a note, hard is likely scaled to ruthless difficulty. i haven't tried it out yet but following WWZ rules that's what it'd be

How do you access the new store?

When does the twitch drop shit start? I still have classes so I want to turn on a stream at 144p, mute it, and have it play in the background and have all three items unlocked by the time I get home.

>>537896201
It's already up

Damn the charged shield bash charged you forward pretty far

>>537896709
Charged shield bash?

>get a bulwark first try of the hard weekly
>isn't using healing banner
>isn't using rez banner

What the fuck else is there?

>>537896168
Techpriest to the right of the normal armoury

>>537894957
>>537895614
Now I tried the weekly
Got an instant neuro spawn which is just a death sentence for this one, the psychic walls come out of nothing too fast to be reacted to

>>537896823
Yeah there's a new move for the Storm Shield.
>>537896357
Sublime

>Ok guys, the modifier for this mission is just that Bulwark and Sniper are unplayable
>Thank you for your attention on this matter
Do we like this? Seem like dogshit to me

>updating my imperial fists bulwark
>wow the champion chest piece looks really good
>turn camera around
Saber plz

what are the twitch drops you guys are talking about?

>NiggerFaggot FirstTourGuardsman goes straight to Siege instead of showing the new changes

>>537896986
Thanks Brother

>>537896709
Does charge shield bash trigger the bulwark shield bash perk???

>>537897453
These

get the fuck in here bros

>>537897613
It does

>>537897814
Thanks but I already got my Aquila chest piece. It's looking good, one of the better cosmetics out there despite being very simple.

>>537897814
Already in
Already muted
Already in 160p

Am I retarded or is the Xenophase Blade not available.

Any codes for the new Operation?

How many accolades do you get from a regular/hard clear?
Does getting the gene seed increase it at all?

>try the new hard game
>lvl 1
>lvl 10
>lvl 25 but with a grey flamer

I keep getting dabbed on by the delayed parry on the spawns...

>>537898413
its gonna be like that for a while, the normalfags are retarded

I fucking love hard carrying retards

>>537898413
I used it to level my grey flamer as a level 1 tactical and it was pretty easy

Maybe i'm bad but the axe seems kinda mid

so how do I customize my guy like in those screenshots you were posting here >>537492974

>cant buy the black templar pack
uhhh bros?

>Bulwark's new Shield Charge move
Actually the sickest shit imaginable.

>>537897425
Stratagems seem to just be designed around you doing the weeklies so you can actually get anything you want.
Even then, the modifiers are questionable at best, downright asinine at worst

>>537898023
>>537898037
can i switch tabs or do i have to keep it on the same tab for an hr?

LF 2 for doing the newest mission on hardest difficulty.

no shitters with a common power axe.

M6UPK

>>537899782
give me a second, joining

>>537899770
You don't need to be on the same tab.

>>537898265
5/10 for normal/hard, no bonus from geneseed what we know so far, and there's one mission per week that gives 200 on hard mode.

>>537899782
expired

do i have to connect my account for drops?

The current stratagem wasn't playtested, the slavniggers threw in Obelisk's dark mode with an unkillable Lictor along with Wave 10+ hard siege mode spawns.

>>537899782
1 more for hardest difficulty, new mission. no power axe plebians

M6UPK

>>537900509
Expired, wrong code or you've blocked me.

>>537900306
5ESF5 Try this one

Twitch shitting itself and not letting me log in, classic.

>4 majors all hit me at the same time
>right afterwards try to ground pound a group of them while they're auspexed and they don't even flinch and insta kill me with guns

also I just used only overcharge on the block powerfist and it one shot a warrior with a full charge on absolute, but when I tried it again on the hard strat it requires the instant backfist follow up. What the fuck?

where's the dlc shit

We are so back, brothers

>space marine 2 releases two years after darktide without red weapons and still gets red weapons first
fucking unreal

>>537901819
There is no Heroic Heavy Bolter. That Anon a few threads ago lied to me. It says "Classified", unless you have to unlock it somehow.

>>537901885
It's just these for now
Guessing the other will be dropped in future updates

>>537900168
>single digit payouts for triple digit rewards
I get that you don't want people blitzing those rewards but damn

>>537899385
>Can't play proper dress up because of everyone trying to buy Silksong
Goddamnit

>Heroic Chloer's Teeth can combo two punches into Shoulder bash
>Heroic Knife gains increasing damage after perfect dodges
What's the Xenophase Blade's special rule looking like?

Wait, weren’t we supposed to get a beakie with the eye augment as well? I saw it in the teaser blog

Will the Black Templars champ pack cost similarly to the previous ones? About 8 burgers?

>>537902464
>75% more damage on a perfect dodge
Oh my
>it stacks
Oh baby
>on light attacks
Actually worthless, at max stacks you’re buffing a mighty 5 damage to 15 or so. Knife light attacks are shit besides the chain ending stab which you can’t buff because you need to chain into it

They might have broken the assault invulnerability on jump perk
I have no memory of unequipping it, but I keep taking damage while in a jump

Assault will continue to be horrible until morale improves

So 45 triangles for dailies, 350 from weeklies, so 665 per week. 1800 triangles to get all of the heroic weapons making it about 4 weeks to get all of the weapons

Pyreblaster is pure pub lobby griefing

>Can't hit Heldrake
>Blinds everybody, including you

>add red chainsword
>make it worse than the gold equivalent
I'm so tired of saber.

anyone know if the power axe perfect parry ability works with block?

>>537903552
Grind it on Average, purple and then Roofless

>>537904113
Just from watching this guy's stream for drops, I don't see him do anything fancy after his perfect blocks. Maybe he either forgot or just doesn't know there's a power axe attack after a perfect parry/block.

My muscle memory is all jumbled up from 2 months of straight Darktide, hopefully I don't fuck up too hard playing hard mode strategems with the /sm2g/ brothers later.

>>537904113
It should since I believe every skill that says parry now works with block now

>>537904602
I just saw a guy on twitch perfect parry with the power axe and he does this twirling animation I did not see play out when he perfect blocked with it.
Would not be beyond Saber to have this be a bug on release for the weapon.

>>537904534
I find space marine pretty easy to get back into the flow of, much easier than going from
space marine to darktide after a long break. Fucking brutal shaking off the rust i’m darktide

what a cringe ass boss fight
he just picks one person and does a 20 attack combo on you like he just warped in from shadow of the erdtree
and then he goes into his laser spam phase and oneshots you

>>537904746
I think that’s just it’s party animation, the power attack after parry is a heavy from neutral I think

I beg of you please use only the SBR on tact three Zoans can spawn at a time on the modified mode

>>537905049
Fancy parry animation then

So you basically send out a power rake with the special parry attack on the axe, neat.

Linux is a fucking meme.

this is with the shield damge and stagger perks with the damage on parry perk. the mobility you get fro mthe shield slide is really strong ,yo udont need the damage perks

>>537906314
Why would you ever play assault now? Bulwark even gets mobility now.

>>537906314
Are you still covering yourself with the shield while you charge?
Is the enhanced shield bash an effect of the empowered charge or a perk? The former right?

>can't repeat missions for the triangles
>max of 45 triangles per day plus 200 per week (I assume you can't get the 150 for the easy version of the weekly on top of the hard reward)
>and that's not counting the reduction in triangle gain for each mission that is too much of a pain in the ass to do

>>537906314
What the fuck am I watching. Is this the new heroic weapons?

>>537906692
I genuinely am laffin at them adding fucking daily grind to this garbage.

>>537906692
>350 triangles per week for 2 missions
stop crying, your info is fucked up too

Any of you guys recolor your Imperial Fist champ's helmet yet? How good does it look in other colors?

The new mission is too large and the vortex beast is too OP

OP lasers
OP melee attack that you can't get out of
Fucking tentacles that shoot lasers

>>537906469
thats true, assault should have gotten a dash like this

>>537906621
yes i am still covered, its not from any perk, the effect and shield charge is a default attack now with shield if you hold right click. the perks just make it deal more damage and stagger more.

>>537906736
im using the regular block chainsword

>>537906736
Storm Shield got a new move, universally.

>strategem that just damages you for dodging
>in a game full of red attacks and ranged attacks that will kill you with a graze
every time I play this game I want to kill someone

Twitch drops isn't working

>>537907302
the controls are a bit awkward though

Looks like a lot of the new champion pieces have fucked up secondary colours, same as a lot of bulwark pieces were a few updates ago. They have this dark reddish effect on the trim for at least the whole DA champion set and the UM champion chestplate, but I assume also for more of them.

>>537907096
Do you really get the reward twice if you do the mission on both hard and normal, even though it's the same mission? Most games don't do that for obvious reasons, so I assumed that is the case here. Saving the weekly for later this evening to play with a friend.

>>537906736
Just the shield as it is now.

>>537907316
>>537907614
>tfw Shield is maximum cool now
>but we don't get proper robes for DA, only BT
I dunno how this game manages to remain so cursed.

>>537907291
i forgive you for leaving anon

>>537907614
you wont complete the mission on hard because its hilariously overtuned, good luck

>>537908123
I'm not the Vanguard, I'm the Sniper :)

Where the fuck is the Y2 DLC?

One year later and the only QOL improvement I want to see is them actually improving bots for once.

>>537908190
ah ok, then good try anon. The boss is certainly a harder one than the Trygon

Which heroic weapon should I get first?

>fog of war for 30 meters
>unkillable Lictor that takes a while to disappear...in a map that will also spawn Lictors
>double Terminus spawns
Saber didn't test this map

>>537908343
It seems doable as long as you don't run into a neurothrope. If you do that, you're just cooked because you can't dodge the wave attack.

>>537908189
having to fight triple zoanthropes, or triple lictors with limited vision and one of them is unkillable is so cool

>>537908458
This does not follow nu-Absolute rules, even if you kill one there will be another Terminus spawn somewhere before the end

Doing the fall of atreus mission was pretty fucked btw
Chaos spawn is cool and makes for a fun enemy
But that mission spawns up to 6 extremis enemies at a time at you
You can actually get 6 asscan terminators at once if unlucky

I give it two weeks until the honey moon phase around stratagems wears off and feedback becomes mostly negative.

>PQTD3

Trying the new mission on absolute.

>>537908893
Login in

Twitch drops done, twitch chat is still filled with retarded children

Has anyone tried out the combi-melta?

>>537908893
>>537909382
nvm expired

>>537909584
I don't even know if anyone can theoretically have it until saturday

>>537909697
You can
It's 300 points, if you can pull off both easy and hard missions, that's 350 points.
God this is so retarded. Thank god I wasn't that excited for anything on the list.

>Reliquary
>Enemies spawn in the tombs should now be slightly less aggressive.
>The ammo crate on the Heldrake's bridge should now always spawn.
Holy shit, Reliquary might not be the hardest operation anymore.

Seeing a clown car chaos spawn barrel down a corridor is kino

you can use the Ultramarine Champion pieces for customization even if you don't own the skin (which isn't on individual sale yet).

Where's new Seaons pass?

Bros..That MK7 helmet...

where's the fuckin dlc

Not sure about the chainsword but why do all heroic weapons seem kinda ass?

>>537910770
The pistol is too, it's not an ammo variant and has like triple the rate of fire. You'll blow through the whole thing instantly.

>>537910451
It's also got actually good looking laurels because they flourish outward a little. Makes it look more dynamic instead of weirdly flat.

They are adding the packs in for BT and IF right now but not the season 2 pass.
If I buy them individually will I get a discount for the season pass?

>dual zoans spawn with a neurothrope
Jesus christ man this shit is harder than I thought it would be

>>537910923
No, almost certainly

>Did the normal startegem with no gunstrikes
>Muscle memory has me constantly trying anyway and I keep standing there like an idiot getting chunked.

Felt weird desu

>>537910451
>leather glove
For what purpose? Does he wear it over the armored glove? Does he take off the armored glove to wear a leather glove? This is stupid and it looks dumb.

>>537911101
No I will almost certainly get a discount
or
No I will almost certainly NOT get one?

>>537911263
It's like a very weird, specific addition to the White Scar glove everybody with the DLC just got.

>>537911263
I think it's a reference to the Phobos Librarian model. He has leather gloves over the armour and it's only equippable on the phobos classes what I could see.
It's stupid but it looks cool.

>>537910975
Not if you are a Heavy. Iron Halo go brrrrrr

>>537911263
>little slow baby boi needs armored gloves

>>537911468
>it looks cool
Space marines in leather armor definitely do not look cool, being covered in leather pouches is bad enough.

>>537911436
>>537911468
>new leather glove is only equipable by phobos
>can't have two leather gloves on the assault champ skin
>bulwark also has more mobility than assault now

WHY DO THEY HATE ASSAULT SO MUCH

Season Pass 2 is up for all the good goys.

>>537911737
When they give us a train of chapter serfs throwing reloads at us then you can have your pouches removed.

>block power axe literally has its unique mechanic cucked
Huh??

Anyone beat the Vortex Beast already?

Joined two codes and both were wipes.

>>537912057
What's //REDACTED//

Grey Knights?

Explain the axe to me.

>>537912238
>Grey Knights
Or Legion of the Damned. Either would be cool.

Does the block cancel on bulwark not work anymore?

power axe animations are kinda fucked, using the knife animations is not it

>>537911873
These pouches aren't even big enough to fit a single bolt pistol magazine.

Am I reading this right? If I buy the Season 2 pass I unlock the rest of Season 1's stuff?

>>537912238
Grey Knights aren't going to get Primaris any time soon because GW wont get enough money from forcing the tabletop players to buy an entire new army to justify it, stop asking. It's going to be a specific run of the mill chapter skin locked to one armor type (Vanguard/Sniper or everyone else)

>>537912246
It's the ultimate parry stick. Even has a hidden 20% GS damage modifier. Oh, its unique mechanic also doesn't work with block weapons. Heavy attack damage is also pretty doodoo. Kind of half baked ngl

>>537912238
No fucking way. Possibly a cross promo with DOW4 for Blood Ravens. But the deal might fall through so they're not announcing it just yet.

>>537912440
It ain the knife animation boyo

this game is really fucking bad and the only reason anybody plays it is because its 40k holy shit.

>playing level 1 bulwark with green axe and bolter pistol
>normal strategem
>team mates go down during carnifex
>clutch it out until they respawn
>game DC's me right after

FUCK

how it feels to be an Iron Hand anon on patch day

>>537914515
I say this as a fan of the Salamanders, may Iron Hands never hit mainstream or even Reddit audiences

>>537911975
>>537912893
>no block power axe
Well, that's a shame
Between the pyreblasters being kinda dull, that, and the heroic weapons being boring to decently fun (not to mention all being balance variants) there's not too much for weapons this update. But chainsword and power sword got faster so at least we have that.

>>537912238
Deathwatch
Retributors
Blood Ravens

One of these three.

>>537913631
it literally does, the heavies and the lights are the same

>>537912440
What game are you playing? Those aren't even close to knife animations, they're all unique. Same with the executions.

>>537914896
All I was ever doing with my power sword was parrying and power raking/whirling so I'll take more numbers for my power rakes with the xenophase blade.

Biggest flaw of the Power Axe is it only has one alt. path between top and bottom. You're completely boxed into either row past the third perk.

I expect nothing and I'm still disappointed.

I've been "watching" for 30 minutes now and I still haven't unlocked the helmet, do I really have to watch Twitch?

My ticker is still at 20%, that's bullshit.

the regular attacks have this dash. if the gold axe doesnt have something that will keep it safe in a gaunt horde then it wont be usable, the heavy spins better 1 shot minoris

>>537915193
Actually I shouldn't be so negative. News mission is cool, new majoris is cool, stratagems are cool, I just fucking hate the new grind and it really overshadow the good. Adding another currency paid out it in such limited amounts that require you to have teammates that aren't retarded is utterly diabolical and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

>>537915565
Did you refresh? The counter isn't dynamically updated.

>>537915565
>Set volume to 1%
>Pull into new window separate from your main
>Make it really small
>Put it in the corner
Done. Bypasses all the gay Twitch checks to make sure you're watching. And also >>537915865

>>537914760
getting your chapter co-opted by redditors is a fate worse than death.

iron hands are too much assholes to ever have it happen fortunately.

Chaos Spawn are some fucking Elden Ring shit when it comes to bait and switching their melee attacks. That only blue circle they have was specifically designed to fuck parry on reaction followed by the fumbled second attempt.

>>537914896
Pyreblaster actually rapes terminus. It might actually be a good weapon. It also staggers them.

>>537915942
What happened?

>>537914986
Open your eyes you dipshit they're not the same

>>537916034
Staggers minoris + majoris*

>>537915942
>>537914760
Stop crying, at least your spess muhreens didn't get captured by a bunch of vtuber loving weaboo fagits. I can ALWAYS be worse!

>>537916224
it literally uses knife animations, play the game

>>537916580
Nigger we're all playing, they're not knife animations. Just because spinning is involved doesn't mean they're identical. This is like saying the Power Sword power stance attacks and Thunder Hammer use the same light attack animations.

Sergeat Paypig reporting in.

>>537911263
OJ cosplay?

>>537915865
>>537915929
Yeah turning the volume to 1% and separating it to a new small window worked, holy fucking kike Twitch.

>>537917038
non-champion scipius in salamander colors

THE AIR IS THICC WITH UNNATURAL ENERGIES

The new mode is much harder than absolute difficulty. Two terminus enemies in the mission and you get more extremis when they spawn as well.

>>537917484
I like it. Although the "broken" modifiers are fucking retarded and need to be straight up deleted.

>>537917381
why did GW have to do this

>>537916580
Shut your bitch ass up if you have no clue whats coming out of your mouth

These modifiers are kinda trash
I liked squad cohesion better

>>537916443
Yeah it can.
>any mention of Blood Ravens
>some smelly redditor fuck instantly bursts into a meme routine about stolen equipment

>>537916883
>no broom head

>>537917381
What's the lore behind the floating shield?

>>537918351
Sheer force of racism

>>537918351
It's just how the game displays them to prevent clipping with the Bulwark's shield.

Verdict on the power axe:

Needs a buff. If I'm reading this right, the heavy attacks only deals 50% damage perk strike. That's peanuts. If you somehow land all of it, it's still not good. And you won't land all of it because it has a very small forward momentum, and the fact that it cannot guarantee a true combo due to enemies with their frame 1 hyper Armour on attacks.

The power step attack also kind of sucks. It only deals 250% damage - same as the powersword, but you have to set it up with a parry. Nope, it doesn't work with block. How they managed to release a weapon that doesnt work with 1 of 3 defence type is beyond me. If it worked the damage would be impressive, and actually fun. Here's to hoping they address this right away.

>>537918351
Honestly I'm not sure if it's a modelling error or if it's supposed to be magnets (magic)

>>537918503
I mean in lore they're literally mag-locked to the armor.

>>537918479
Considering it not only serves as a double tap on Gun Strikes, but also increases their damage by 20%, it feels like an Assault weapon more than anything.

>>537917381
QUICK BROTHER THROW IT BACK!

Closest copper-like we've gotten so far to the Blood Angels rank heraldry. Not perfect, but certainly better than the alternatives.

is the flamethrower utterly pointless or what?

>>537919898
It gets the job done

>>537916676
>>537918003
no, it does, its use the both skullcrushers and the whirlwind slash, for the lights all they did was copy the animation and edit the left arm to swing farther back, its nothing like the thunder puts both hands on the hammer. i only noticed because it you not only do you reverse grip, you spin the entire axe around, which is not physically possible, to facilitate the reverse grip, which looks shitty

Xenophase blade is pretty baller, the power rake waves are actually green. Sucks that its balanced only though. Block wouldve been so much better on it.

>>537919791
I always thought it was supposed to be gold and the book colors were just faded and failed to show a metallic tint, I prefer just using the gold we have desu

>>537919791
Pretty sure it's meant to be gold and not bronze. They just made it so dark so as not to confuse it with the yellow of close support.

>>537920178
I assume you can't use the skin on a normal sword, and that you don't get to use the heroic perk without using the whole thing?

>EM4C6
Trying to beat the new mission on absolute.

>>537920178
I take it you managed to beat the weekly hard strategem to get that many points?

>>537922527
Nigga just cheat. What is wrong with you?

>>537922230
One more and we go

pvp in this game is so fucking bad and i hate it so much.
i literally couldn't get through a single game of the new mode before getting so pissed off i just had to quit out entirely.

Trying to do strats right now is impossible. Every match has someone leveling new weapons on hard when this difficulty is using absolute for a baseline.

>>537919993
>It spins so same!
No, you're a fucking retard. I'm literally spamming the two of them in the training room and the only resemblance is the notion that you spin to attack. They're all different animations.

>>537922892
>Friend thought it was a good idea to do Ruthless on the new mission rawdog virgin when nobody had faced any of the Chaos Spawn, the new boss, and we were all running white weapons
Needless to say, it did not go well.

>>537917381
This is why we need female space marines so this would not be an issue

>>537923145
some maybe, but a bunch of them are copied from knife, its just like how they had use power sword ground pound for powerfist

anyone else keep FUCKING CRASHING?

Does buying the season 2 pass get me the skins from season 1?

how nice of them to allow us to use the space wolf helmet, make it easy to filter the average /pol/tard

>>537924102
yes

>>537923636
>its just like how they had use power sword ground pound for powerfist
I think you're confused. When they gave Assault the Power Sword, they accidentally gave the Power Fist the same GP animation. This was reverted in U9.

>>537921210
Yeah its its own weapon so no skins can be put on it

>>537922527
Yes, I was sweating my ass off since the mission is really hard and we died multiple times. We only managed to beat it because people that died kept leaving and the bots took over immediately so we just had a bunch of people coming in and out.

>>537924102
I've had crashing issues since I moved to Linux and I keep flip flopping between it being Linux and something else.
I cannot pinpoint the motive for it.

>>537924809
Let's hope they change things so people who enjoy things other than specific playstyles can participate in using the heroic weapons

i can hardly wait to see a termination stratagem with the 30m visibility modifier

>new difficulty and people leveling white weapons at the same time
Wow who could have seen this coming. It only happened the last time you did this too.

>Try the new weapons
>They're all dogshit
Welp, back to chainsword and heavy bolter

>>537925313
Are people actually going into the stratagems with grey weapons?
What the fuck is wrong with people I swear.

>Heroic Chainsword has a speed of 1
Come the fuck on.

Flamer and heavy flamer seem like troll weapons. The range is crap and I can't see anything when they are being used while I'm in melee.

>loincloth of the Heavy champion not passed on to Tactical and Assault
god I fucking hate these cunts

what's a chapter that matches well with the aesthetics of the power axe? (Not Space Wolves or any of their succesors)

>>537926910
Works for Blood Angels and all successors of theirs since they love bladed weaponry for the blood drawing.

>Mate wants to play the new update
>Only ever played multi melta heavy when the game launched and CANNOT melee
>Insists he dies due to game bugs/bullshit enemy attack patterns whatever
>I have everything unlocked full prestige I also play a lot of other coop games like Darktide HD2 Vt2 and so on
>He pretty much just plays survival builders like ARK and ARPG's
>I can and do carry he literally has no idea though
>Drag him kicking and screaming through Lethal most days
>We do the normal stratagems - he struggles
>We only have the hard ones left
>He dies to everything
>he shoots nothing
>He insists on playing his level 4 sniper with a white bolter sniper
>I tell him if he wants to be remotely useful he MUST make his headshots
>5 mins in and he is bitching enraged warriors are tanking his entire magazine
>He is body shotting
>ignores trash both melee and ranged and goes down constantly
"Game is broken, they did something to warriors, man."
>Grit my teeth and carry on
>Random pubs are just as bad
"I don't know what is going on with your class, I guess its bugged" - to shut up the constant whining
>I offer to show him my levelling loadouts and setups, knowing he cannot actually play melee so its pointless
>He asks me if we can check out the Astartes Mod because he was running 12 bots and the game was 'fun'.
>I tried it one time with him and literally went AFK in hard siege and the bots did all 5 waves on their own - I had not lost any health and I just wiggled my mouse a bit to not be kicked
>Boring as fuck
"Yeah sure, I guess when the mod is updated...."

He is not a bad gamer and is really good at fighting games but he fucking sucks in every single coop game we play. Its not mechanics its his fucking mindset. He plays a psyker in Darktide with the intention of not having to fucking melee - if he does get forced to he just eats shit.

Wants to play tomorrow after work too. I honestly prefer random low level noobs. At least they don't constantly blame bugs for being shit.

>>537926910
blood angels. axe and inferno pistol and youre dante

>>537927107
grow a pair fagot

>>537927107
>>He asks me if we can check out the Astartes Mod because he was running 12 bots and the game was 'fun'.
Pretty much every Astartes shitter I've encountered. They just want an ez run through missions.

>>537926803
Treat it like you're using a modified Melta

>>537927107
talk to him about how much he sucks and provide guides to help him do better? It's what I've done with some shitters I know with Darktide and mostly helped them. Some of them still suck, but at least their builds and weapons aren't trash tier

>Actually usable
Combi-Melta
Xenophase Blade
Power Gladius

>Dogshit
Choler's Teeth (1 speed)
Heroic Pistol (Burns through ammo like crazy)
Heavy Plasma Incinerator (Let's take away the good part of the weapon, that's an upgrade!)

I wiped three times on Mutilat already

Anything new know the optimal difficulty to max out color tier of weapons? Don't want to run long absolutes to get greens

>>537927958
Average -> Substantial -> Ruthless

Once you get your first Relic weapon play Absolute or Lethal

>>537927740
His main complaint and issue is he wants to do hardmode but he wants prestige 4 level 25 relic weapon power as soon as he selects the character. I have straight told him not to bother prestiging and start playing more melee focused stuff and I had to then coach him for 30 mins how to use the assault jump pack because he likes the White Scars champion skin.

Honestly I am starting to hate the game.

>>537928087
Stop playing with him.

>>537927107
call him a retard and mad cause bad

>>537928087
Armchair psych eval, you are hating playing with him and associating it with the game. Don't know how to help. Either tell him how he's fucking up and help him improve, acknowledge that whatever you do with him might suck, or dump the guy. Games are for fun and you've stopped having fun so changes need to be made

>>537927107
Is he actually good at fighting games though?

>>537928087
The only way he's going to be a functional player while you're playing with him is if you cave his skull and chest in with a baseball bat until he's unable to breathe unassisted. This is coming from someone who's halfway down the process of becoming an alcoholic
>>537927958
Ignore the lowest two difficulties, they don't provide enough XP to justify running through unless you have absolutely nothing on the class

>>537928087
Carry his ass by spamming ruthless I guess
Maybe it'll get the ball rolling once he get a good weapon

>>537927107
>good at fighting games
>sucks at coops "games that require abstract thinking"
>blames everything but himself for his failures
His name is Jamarcus, isn't it?

>>537927107
>>537928087
Just stop playing with the retard and kick him out of your friend list.

>>537927107
I would just appear Invisible and play without him. He sounds worse than a rando.

How's the new power sword and power axe, melee bros?

>>537929858
Xenophase is on Balanced but does more power rake damage inherently.
Power Axe has to be played on parry

>>537929858
Power Axe is the most parry bait weapon in the game because its entire gimmick only works on a perfect parry.

Xenophase Blade is the one trick Power Rake spam weapon because the radius is wider and it does more damage.

Also, related via tangent in regards to new weapons. The Pyreblaster and Pyrecannon seem to bypass all armor values. They absolutely FUCK Biovores and we all know how tanky those assholes are even when shot in the cock gun.

>>537928067
>>537928626
kek i should have been more specific, I have 900 hours. I'm asking what is the new formula for maxing weapons in as few missions and as fast as possible. It used to be like AverageX1 - RuthlesslX2 - ABSO until max but I saw in patch notes that XP changed so I was wondering if the formula changed. If no one knows I'll figure it out and post it here later so we can infograph that shit for future generations

>>537929490
This, the fuck are you doing wasting time with him

Any codes?

Anyone beaten Vortex Absolute yet?

>imagine playing a game with yor friend
Cheks out, this thread is full of fucking sociopaths

>>537898868
Why can't Tactical get melee? Just give me the damn sword at least.

>>537898868
I wish I could make my tac be as heavily armed as a chapter master.

>>537931696
Don't care if it's my friend, I'm not playing with him if he actively ruins the experience not through being bad, but being an obnoxious faggot about it.

>>537931696
If playing with one specific friend means both of us are having a shit experience, I'm more than happy kicking the fuckhead to the side on certain game types, and I fully support them having the same mentality with me

For the Pyre weapons, I recommend maximizing burn damage at the expense of direct damage. The DPS is only slightly less, but it makes the weapon infinitely more ammo efficient. You just spaff bursts of fire into your enemies and then stop shooting the moment they're glowing orange.

>>537933357
Oh, and also this is far less view obstructing, so there's the other bonus for everybody on your team.

>>537923618
I need female Primarchs

>>537906469
Bulwark always have more mobility in combat because they can block animation cancel everything instead of being locked in recovery animation. Just accept that assault will never be as good as bulwark but it has high floor since any shitter can spam jetpack slam into groups
>>537906314
Kek, they really went too far to make shield bash good. It always has been good if you know how to block cancel but this is a whole new level

>>537933432
But I want to grief people, anon. I NEED to! Its the only power I have in the whole world!

>>537933796
>he looked at this image and decided the quality was good enough to post it for everyone itt to see

Randoms are horrible

>>537934575
random is random and they tend to be absolute shitters.

Where is the Phobos helmet?
Where is the Beakie with laurels?

They randomly disallowed knee emblems on the Deathwatch greave. I doubt it was intentional, every patch has its own bullshit cosmetic bugs.

>>537935598
Isnt the new shop supposed to have fomo rotating inventory? You'll probably get them with other heroic weapons and twitch drops in a month or so

>>537935598
>Where is the Beakie with laurels?
when you join the beaky blinders

>>537935672
Report it. Only way this stuff gets fixed.

Can you replay daily stratagems for the new resource?

I just beat Vortex Absolute

Fucker will turtle at like 10% health and summon shitters who will rush towards him to heal itself and will continue to do so until his health bar goes to 15% then it constantly shits out warp farts, tentacles

>>537937772
do you even get anything for doing the new one on absolute?

>>537935598
Good question. Not here and not now. I want them too

>>537937983
I'm not sure, didn't check

The weekly stratagem is too difficult, I guarantee they didn't playtest that map

The fog of war is too limited and is more like 3 feet instead of 30 meters, you're going to get spam sniped by Venom Cannon nidders

Hopefully someone posts a code, I lucked out with randoms with Vortex

>>537926910
Carcharodons Astra

Will I like this game if I only want to shoot hordes of enemies? I don't want to do timed melee parries and shit like that.

Anyone else feel like the fog of war isn't 30 meters, but a distance far shorter? Muhreens are something like 3 meters tall, but the distance is just fucks over most guns

>>537939139
no

>>537939186
It's definitely a much limited radius than the tooltip says. That or devs magically measure the distance differently.

>>537939370
It feels like 30 feet, not 30 meters which is at best 1/3 the distance.

>>537939186
Nah it's 30m. 30m is really short and gaymaris are huge.

>ultramarine players in codex compliant heraldry consistently top tier
>black templar players and clown marines consistently dogshit
Wow I guess following the big book instructions really is the way to go

>>537940901
BT Bulwarks are dogshit, not the same as DA Bulwarks a few months back

They don't know how to play Bulwark, don't heal, don't tank, don't do anything but unga bunga power sword and hope they don't die

Codex compliant players are almost always decent if not really good, I'm stunned that randoms are 90% dogshit

Any codes? Tired of playing with shitters. Brothers.

>>537941714
Post codes

>>537939186
1 meter is 1.09361 yards. 98 feet is less than fucking NOTHING in terms of visibility

The Pyreblaster is FUCKING AMAZING
HOLY SHIT

The beakie they showed off was the only thing I was really excited for, hope it comes soon.

Can you still only save 4 armor/color customizations per class?

>>537939139
heavy bolter can do that

>>537927791
heavy plasma common shots are actually incredibly good

The grind for the heroic weapons is real. Holy shit.

>>537944241
Not good enough to sacrifice charged shots entirely.

Has anyone here beaten the hard weekly mission? What's the trick?

>>537944501
Luck

If Zoans spawn on you from a mile away, or a group of 5+ ranged Nids with Devourer Cannons spawn on you, and nobody can pinpoint where they are/can't get to them due to the horde, it's just GG.

>>537944501
Not yet, when I tried it everything was teleporting around

>>537944501
I cleared it on normal, surely it cant be that much harder on hard?
My only fear is having shitters in my games leveling axe/flamer

>>537944830
I cleared it on normal, on hard it spawned three fucking biovores in the dark and we couldn't find the fuckers and the invincible lictor harassed us the entire time.

>>537944501
What >>537944731 said, you can get really unlucky with spawns and not being able to see far away is far deadlier than you think. You can have multiple extremis enemies alongside a terminus so good luck dealing with all that plus a million majoris like the sniper niggers rocking your shit.

>>537944830
It is that difficult

>>537945106
>>537945260
Damn, sound like a mission for the codebros

>reinstall game to see what's new
>all weapons are Balance
>new map is Chaos focused
>new game mode is gay fuck shit
>uninstall again

>>537944501
you could probably permacloak sniper through it

>Under-leveled bulwark tard decides he will just speed run the inferno mission without telling anyone
>sprints past every encounter
>meanwhile I get jumped by the lictor and every other enemy who I have to solo
>catch up to him bleeding out after fighting off the invincible lictor
>he does it again
>go down at the room because lol zoan/neuro combo plus lictor while he goes down outside the door
This is worse than when prestige released

kinda lame that the new weapon rarities are gated to 1 per week and thats even IF you can clear the hard weekly.

>Still loading screen the game
Wow such fun

>>537946125
Prepare for the week when your favourite carrying class is handicapped to nonexistence, all your teammates' damage taken is moved to you, and people without fail keep joining your lobby using the disabled class
It'll happen, maybe as soon as next week

>>537944830
More extremis spawns and harder/increased terminus spawns. Fighting your way through a neurothrope spawn on the hard version is near impossible even with good teammates because you'll be constantly harrassed by all manner of extremis enemies out of the dark while the pulse wave attack hits you unavoidably through walls and suddenly enough that reacting would be impossible even without the constant attacks.
Plus you'll see way more extremis enemies of the "god fucking dammit" category, and all enemies of all types take longer to kill.

>>537946864
Some of the modifiers are retarded as fuck and the dailys dont give enough of the points but I guess those are more for the other rewards like cosmetics.

Is this game just spamming the same animation-locked melee execution over an over? Because that's all I've seen in the five videos I've watched so far.
>grab alien's claw arm
>shove it through his chest
>throw him
>next alien comes
>do the same exact thing
>darksouls roll away

>>537947740
You have to put the bad guys in execution mode first
But yeah, while you execute you're invulnerable and if you have a bunch of them ready you can chain them

>>537947740
Most good players do a stagger attack + gun strike if they don't need the invincibility or specific melee execution bonus. It is faster so they can maintain momentum and positioning.

>>537947740
its a mix of hack and slash + third person shooter + quick time events. those execute animations make you invincible and heal your character so you can use them strategically, but yes there are a lot of animations you have to sit through, but you can play in a way that ignores them. overall its a pretty mediocre game but you get to play as a space marine

Too many trash Bulwarks LARPing as BTs but they can't play the class.

Even worse is that they're carrying green/purple Power Axes.

>>537948395
>>537947740
Also, sometimes you just want to headshot to finish the kill if you need want the headshot kill bonus or you don't want to put yourself in a bad positioning for that execution

>>537948814
i cant wait for next year where every normie goes around with the iron hands techmarine skin claiming they always were iron hand enjoyers

Is the pyrecannon good?

>>537947740
so?

Bulwark champion skin is so good its the best one theyve done so far.

Why is it always the bulwark that is the shitter?

>>537950559
Bulwark is not their main class, they pick Bulwark because >>537950556

They die within the first section

>>537918581
Fucking magnets

>the astropath is lost, we can only grant him the mercy of death
>grab him by the leg and smash him down, then curbstomp him into bits
lol, I like how even the mercy kills are extra as fuck.

>>537952427
a moment of terror and then your brain is turned into paste that you can't feel pain

Hard is doable if you have a multimelta/pyrecannon Heavy, a Vanguard with heal and a Tactical who won't die 4-5 times

Bulwarks are trash, too many noobs taking them only for the champion skin

>>537926910
Executioners

I'll host or join games in about 2 hours, I want that xenophase blade just because it looks cool.

>>537952538
I mean we could just shoot them, or pop their head off

>>537954235
But that's not ultra-violent

>>537954183
normal is doable
hard is stupid

the vatniks didn't playtest hard

WHAT the FUCK is with this speed?

>>537949749
Respond

>>537954575
I trust that anons here can turn the tide.

>>537954884
slower than block
only 10 cleave
lol
lmao
i rather be a blocknigger than use that shit

This affix may not look scary but it's actual hell
Every single bit of damage go to one guy and it bypass armor, every single bit of damage
Havent managed to get past the warhead room in Ballistic, I can guarantee this shit wasnt tested

>>537954959
Closest I got was inside the generators, was running a Multimelta Heavy and teamed up with a Bulwark and Vanguard. None of them were shit thankfully but we still got wiped thanks to that invulnerable Lictor and too many Biovores running around.

Also survived an early Neurothrope and triple Zoanthrope spawn just before the camp, the Bulwark was pretty clutch.

>dodge damages you
yes lets make the most useful action hurt you now vs chaos niggers ty you fucking russian dev dogs

>>537954915
yes, but you will make visibility awful for your teammates.

>>537955156
This.
>playing vanguard
>cakewalk, like no issue whatsoever
>get to the train tracks part
>BT bulwark eats like 5 attacks instantly
>fucking evaporate without a chance to recover

>>537955156
It's hell because if you give it to the shitter he dies on his own, if you give it on yourself the shitters will kill you, I can't count the times I basically soloed the game while both my team mates were dead.

New leaks dump:

Salamanders and Iron Hands' successors
Power fist skin (via a challenge)
Techmarine's shoulder gun model
A brand new Beaky (the one from the pic >>537895339; probably via challenge)
New helmet (via challenge)
Two shoulder pads (also via challenge)

I love fire

>>537955937
Not my problem

>update removes my custom heraldry sets AGAIN
fucking stop it, holy shit

>>537955937
as is tradition for coop game flamethrowers

Pyreblaster fucking RAPES. This gun is so overpowered. The game doesnt track DOT damage I guess.

>>537957000
Fuck I hope it’s this patch, any scraps suffice for my raven guard dudes since our cosmetics pack want great. The last of my hood goes to getting a cool looking sniper (blood boys deserve the assault more).

Anyone play the new "hellbrute" pvp mode? Is it like left4dead versus, or more like Evolve?

>>537935672
I was wondering why my DW BA felt off.

The weekly stratagem mission isn't fun. That shroud thing really ruins it for me.

>>537958872
Its dreadnought assault from sm1 afaik
>fight over a control point that gives the winner a dreadnought
>dreadnought can still die
>the team that wins the dreadnought can still lose the match if they can't capitalize on it

>new update nice
>check out stratagems
>barely any reward for massive pain in the ass
>expensive upgrades
>nope.out
>close game

Why is the season pass forty (40) United States Dollars?

>Day 9
Didn’t expect to get ops that take place after the main story.

>>537959279
James Warhammer needs to feed his family.

This game is fun and I have no problems with the balancing. The way melee kills and successful parries reward you with gun damage is cool and fun and flows well.

I only play tactical btw

>>537963812
>The way melee kills and successful parries reward you with gun damage is cool and fun and flows well

I agree until you progress to the second or third difficulty level, then it just sucks fucking dicks as this piece of shit game relies on parry fishing, rng spawns and it's just a frustrating mess to play. they should swap marines with karskin and it would make more sense

how does experience work? I can have a primary weapon equipped for the entire mission but not gain any experience if I never use it?

>join into a losing game
>quit
>join into a different losing game
>quit
>join into a lobby with 3 level ones on my team and 4 level 23+ on the enemy team
I'm just going to go play a better game

>>537963812
The balance will never be good as long as it takes an entire bolter mag to the head to kill a single warrior.

>>537964774
>pvp in a coop game

>>537964920
I just want the iron warrior skin, is that really so wrong?

>heroic power sword has significantly lower speed than previous blance power swords
>heroic chainsword is balance but has literally 1 speed, lower than even block chainswords
>heroic knife has a useless effect and no cleave despite being balance
Why is saber afraid of making heroic weapons good? They're all worse than just using a relic equivalent.

>>537965367
But they look cool.

jesus that power axe perk tree is fucked, forces you to go the bottom path for all the good shit but gates it behind some mediocrity with light attacks

>new chaos armor
Oh cool.
>get 9 kills in 9 games with a class to unlock it, meaning 54 games at minimum
I couldn't be bothered. I know it can be relatively easy with some classes but some would require me to get sweaty especially if marches are short and I can't be bothered with the grind, maybe it'll come naturally with time. Unless this is what the hellbrute mode is about and even after getting it the kills count for the class you have selected.

>>537963812
your stupid fucking class ability that carries you is why all but like 5 guns in this game are dogshit

>>537965868
>he can't get 9 kills in tdm
Rough

>>537966183
>wants to play 54 TDM matches
Ok

>got as far as the big elevator in Inferno Hard
FUCK
This tactical was fucking USELESS. I swear he had the HBR or something

>>537944501
Choose Bulwark or Tactical Zoans are a bitch and can spawn in pairs of three

>>537967815
>pairs of three
that's a polycule

>>537965885
it's not the class ability lol it's the perks

>>537964884
nah it's fine.

>>537968235
nah it's shit.

Boy this weekly hard mode mission sure is fucking annoying.

>>537968381
It's tyranids so it's not that hard.
If it was chaos I probably wouldn't even try.

>>537968381
I got it done first try solo. You have a skill issue.

>>537968356
literally nothing about this game says it would be more fun if it had normal shooter TTK so yeah it's fine.

Xenophase blade kinda fucking blows. Its too god damn slow.

>>537968675
literally everything about this game says it would be more fun if it had normal shooter TTK so yeah it's shit.

>>537968825
name five things

>DC
FUCK OFF
HOLY SHIT

>>537968953
spongey enemies are not fun
guns that feel bad to use are not fun
ranged weapons doing enough damage to viably mix into the melee combat would make it more dynamic
enemies that can instantly kill you with ranged weapons when yours cannot do the same to them is not fun
at least half of the classes are types of marine that are supposed to rely on their primary ranged weapon to do damage
name five reasons the guns should be shit

I think the unkillable Lictor has just a tad too much health on hard

>>537969069
>>537969374

>guns that do damage are not ok
>melta bomb every 60 seconds that kills an infinite number of everything? sure why not

Maybe I judged you black templars too harshly, flamethrower templar and I managed to finally clear the hard weekly(there was also an assault who quit during the final wave after going down like an idiot). Also damn flamethrower is awesome, glad they didn’t fuck it up

>>537969651
they probably balanced it like they did the nemesis bull in WWZ but the difference is that it was way easier to hit headshots on a bull while a lictor's head moves all over the fucking place

>Neurothrope spawn at the final section of Inferno
OH FUCK OFF
HOLY SHIT

>>537969651
I ran into it on normal when my two teammates were speedrunning faggots and I did enough damage to the thing to kill a normal lictor 3 times over before it left. Does hard have that much more health?

>>537970920
It takes like 30 seconds straight of all 3 of us beating it’s ass in a corner for it to despawn, it’s pretty dumb

Does anyone want to try and run the Hard Strategem? I got as far as I could with two randos but the Tactical was honestly dead weight while the Vanguard I played with was a goddamn hero.

Why do the power axe light attacks feel like they do more damage than the heavy attacks?

>>537971821
probably because the heavy attacks are area of effect crowd control attacks

I like how many chaos spawn executions are just beating the fuck out of them lol

>entering queues with level 1 prestige 2 people
Have these fuckers even played Hard Strategem to understand that they're just dead weight?

I FUCKING HATE THE INVINCIBLE LICTOR
FUCK YOU
I WANT TO RIP OFF ITS LIMBS AND SHIT DOWN ITS NECK!!!

>>537954884
I unlocked that too and I regret it

>>537972373
calm down decimus

>>537972373
Why does it have 5 or 6 times the health of a normal lictor? Every time he appears it ends up with him just stunlocked for a whole minute against the wall as 3 niggas wail on him. Just make him appear for a limited time or when people are low hp or something, the current implementation is just fucking stupid.

>be me
>haven't played since finishing my prestiges around the time space yiff dropped (based on what cosmetics I have)
>see Mark VII helmet, looks pretty cool even despite there not being clean version
>I need to do some challenge type shit
>oh it's just hard
>drop with bots
>get fucked by carnifex on first boss spawn
>okay, I might be a little rusty
>do the normal one
>almost fall asleep midway through
>join hard one again with randoms
>five tries and everyone is dead by the fucking first enemy group
>I'm shit enough that I can't carry
Thanks for coming to my blog. Also, did stuff get nerfed? I tried to use the Sniper Lascannon as baby mode carry it used to be and it felt like the damage is underwhelming.

>I now have dailies and Mythic+ keystones in my Space Marine 2
welcome back, world of warcraft

>>537955156
>fucking impossible with randoms
>can't turn off bots
oh my fucking god what the fuck is this shit
WHY CAN'T DEVS JUST PLAY THEIR OWN FUCKING GAME SO THEY KNOW WHAT IS A RETARDED IDEA OR NOT

>>537973886
Are the dailies even worth it? It feels like a lot of cock and balls torture for nothing.

>>537974141
Right now the Heroic Weapons aren't even worth it.

>>537973376
Yeah I don't know why it has so much health.

A cruel reminder that if you beat Ruthless even once then you're better than 80% of the playerbase

>>537971821
Because you're right. The heavy only does like 50% damage per swing.

Wow what a fucking terrible boss. Its impossible to fight in melee. Great fucking job saber.

>Some dude made a thread rightfully calling the vision reduction, class restrictions and damage on dodge shit
>90% of the posts are defending them
It's so fucking over before it even began

>>537976598
>damage on dodge
half of the attacks in the game are unblockable and usually have heavy tracking, wtf do they expect the player to do about them I'd not dodge?

>>537976874
The developers don't play their game.

>>537976874
You don't take damage with a perfect dodge. The problem is with ranged enemies since there is no perfect dodge for ranged attacks. It should be made such that consecutive dodges after like the third one damages you, not on the first one.

>>537975931
i don't want to believe that

literally unplayable

I've spent weeks on Absolute trying to get a terminus to spawn in the final section in Inferno.
Now one is basically guaranteed to spawn if it hasn't already.

>>537978810
Only 20% of players on Steam cleared Ruthless
On Playstation it's 13.5%

Did any of you spergs just get the game and want to co-op

>>537975931
ruthless is what i play when i'm fuckin asleep, leveling sniper through prestige ranks

how are most people not above that

>>537979547
jesus
i'm on ruthless right now levelling the new white weapons and i still take literally no damage

>>537969809
If you want your gun to do damage, play sniper/tactical

>>537969809
If secure stockpile gets nerfed, I'm uninstalling.

>Die herding melee mobs away from my ranged brothers as Bulwark, tactical is already dead
>Carnifex is messing us up along with area denial by obscured barbed strangler broods
>Heavy finally is able to make some space, kill the remaining warriors, and get to me revive
>Gaunt leaping attack staggers him out and I die
>But the prompt to detonate is active and he presses the bomb
>Now all that matter is extracting while avoiding the Carnifex's spine bunkers
>Tact respawns, it's in the fucking bag
>Heavy dies to the carnifex
>Tact manages to stay alive and clear the mission
Fucking cinema, I'm never doing this shit again.

>>537979853
This

If you want to delete heads, you go Stalker/Accuracy Bolt Rifle/Las Fusil.

>>537979958
>>537979853
Heavy with heavy plasma is basically chucking half a melta bomb across the map every second.

>start strategem that reduces sniper and bulwark health
>gives me sniper and bulwark bots

Decimus is slowly becoming my favorite squad member

>>537979926
Secure stockpile is op bro just face it

>>537980661
Ya dat boy lit. He truly the Miles Morales of space marines.

>>537980691
Ok how would you "fix" it?

>>537981152
low quality b8

Hardmode fuckin throws HANDS
low levels who join hardmode strats should be shot

>>537981595
?

Did they forget to put an armoury token on the new operation boss?

Worst mission in the game. Russians once again proving they are worthless. May another 60,000 ziggers die in Ukraine.

>>537922709
>cheat
How? EAC crashes the game if you hook cheatengine and if you bypass it the game doesnt save your progress.

Pyreblaster/Cannon is simultaneously the best and worst weapon in the game.

>Unrivalled DPS, literally dealing damage damage even while you're evading and parrying
>Fantastic at both single target and crowd control
>Insanely ammo efficient
>Nobody can see a fucking thing

Has anyone tried heroic heavy plasma? Was it another dogshit or actually good?

>>537983583
Its only Achilles heel I've come across is that it's atrociously fucking bad against Zoanthropes. Actual death sentence to even try shooting them. Their shield goes up almost instantly upon being set on fire, and purges the burn.

Meanwhile the Neurothrope doesn't do this. He keeps burning even when protected.

>>537981510
Remove it? It shouldn't exist.

>>537984781
Braindead feedback. Kill yourself.

>Look like ABR
>Is actually a bolter
Huh???

>>537985321
No idea what they were smoking. This upgrade along would have justified having to level up the Auto Bolt Rifle.

friend keeps yapping about the iron hands and raptors packs coming, what's so special about them?

>>537985428
I thought the same thing. I hate it when Dev makes a weird choice, just like the salamander sniper skin.

Maybe heroic ABR will come with either plasma or pyro.

>>537985715
Heroic ABR with plasma or pyro?

>>537985693
Generalist cosmetics that will work for everybody.

>Iron Hands DLC will presumably come with prosthetics for every limb
>Raptors DLC will be the most down-to-Earth assortment of tacticool parts imaginable like ammo bandoliers, pouches and knives

Basically, doesn't matter what Chapter you are, these will fit. Making them good value. Presuming the devs don't do something fuck stupid like slap Chapter logos on all of them. I expect it on the Iron Hands Champion, but the prosthetics should be like the one we have in-game.

Rate the new update

>>537973886
>>537974141
>>537974307
>Another fucking pointless gimmick instead of just giving people easy access to fun new tools
HD2 > SM2. Once again.

>>537986475
7/10

>New weapons are fun
>Cosmetics are nice
>New Chaos Spawn make Chaos less shit to fight
>Stratagem (the main meat and bones) is a mixed bag of fun gimmicks and horrendous dog shit

>>537980661
as it should be
the more bullshit torture you endure the more you can relate to his intolerance for it and desire to throttle a zoanthrope like a rabid dog that caught a squirrel

Now that saber's established a trend of giving the heroic weapons horrible stats and dogshit special effects what do you think the other heroics will do?

>>537980661
>>537986858
MAGAZINE IN
MAGAZINE OUT

>>537986906
>Heroic Power Fist
>Light attacks deal 15% more damage but your charged attacks now take 300% longer to fully charge

>>537986906
las fusil has double the charge time for 10% extra headshot damage

>>537898868
>Be me
>Play 40k
>Play in tournaments
>Literally have an axe on a basic space marine (which would be a tac)
>No one person has ever, not once, said this was wrong
>Be 40k video game
>LIMITS, RESTRICTIONS, FUCK YOU
I am tired man

>>537986475
3/10
power axe is shit, terrible moveset and its damage is comparable to the regular bolt pistol
heroic weapons suck, the only one that is arguably an upgrade over relic is the xenophase blade
new operation is okay except the boss, which is terrible, cant be meleed, no headshot hitbox, no stagger mechanic
pyre weapons are outrageously insanely overpowered and are going to get nerfed into uselessness
chaos spawn take 1/4 damage from range weapons

>>537986906
Dagger now cleaves and deals 50% less damage

>>537987320
>power axe is shit, terrible moveset and its damage is comparable to the regular bolt pistol
My day is fucking ruined how can they be SO SHIT at testing this stuff

>>537987320
>power axe is shit, terrible moveset and its damage is comparable to the regular bolt pistol
Stop spamming heavy attacks. They're AOE clear.

what is each character's traitor thought from the new mission? Decimus says "My brothers envy my abilities and plot my demise."

>>537987378
Knife already got a heroic
Don't you think trading good stats for a stacking 75% bonus damage on your next light attack sounds excellent?

>>537986906
>stalker bolt rifle
>uses accuracy version stats but with less headshot modifier
>if you're standing perfectly still and are zoomed jn you now fire two-round burst fire

>>537987572
>>537987807
Power axe is so bad it turns bulwark into a fucking range class.

>>537988719
Sounds like a skill issue.

>>537988719
Why is block power axe actually broken? Like there's no way not a single person on the dev team thought it shouldn't work with perfect blocks to get the power rake. It has to be incompetence.

>buying a heroic weapon lets you use it without upgrading the previous tiers

Huh.

>>537988664
>light
So fucking stupid

I am losing so many gunstrikes on perfect parries with the power axe.

>>537990010
You're still missing perks.

>>537990505
It's still pretty fucking bad and I don't think those 4 extra perk points will help.

>wake up
>NAnons cleared hard mode
Looks like Yuros and early birds suck.

>>537991135
I can post a code in 8 hours

>>537986959
Heroic power fist will be power claws. Fencing with ludicrous speed but tiny AOE blast radius on charged attacks, compensated for by balanced-ish damage.

>>537991649
Sounds fun.
So no, that won't happen. It would be entirely in character for saber to try to make the heroic power fist good at light attacks with a minimal damage increase while gutting its heavy attack capabilities.

sooo is block still fucked?

i guess bf6 is the play.

Axe is pretty bad. Got it to purple so far and I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Same for the heroic bolt pistol. It's damage is so low it's comical.

How did they release these weapons in the same update as the giga op flamers?

>>537992763
what's your perk build for it? the trick might be going all in on spamming lights unless you're surrounded

>>537992103
Chain and power sword got their speeds increased to 3. Not super great, but a lot more fun.
However, the entire weapon archetype is cucked out of both the power axe and the heroic tier.

>>537992763
It's literally an Assault parry bait weapon

>Take +20% Gun Strike damage
>Take Assault's Act of Attrition - Enemies hit by melee attacks take 15% more damage for 3 seconds

Parry > Power Attack Counter > Gunstrike

>>537993407
Oh, for those unaware, the weapon itself has a 20% Gun Strike damage bonus. That wasn't a typo for Assault's separate team perk.

Act of Attrition affects all sources, and the Power Axe's special parry attack is like the most assured way to proc this fast enough for Gun Strikes.

WHY IS IT SO BAD? I know I didn't land every single shot but holy fuck.

>>537993698
So it's 20% gun strike damage on top of the weapon perk for 20% gun strike damage?

>>537994010
Team Perk = 30%
Power Axe = 20%
Act of Attrition = 15%

165% Gun Strike damage

>turn crossplay off
>nobody joins
>turn crossplay on
>constantly put into lobbies where the host is just sitting in the armory with a mission queued forever
why do these subhumans do this

chaos spawn need a tweak, their indicators are way too early so you have delay your parry, but this is bad because if theyre off screen i dont know if its them or something else.
also the multi does too much damage because if you get hit once youre stunlocked into eating the full thing and since its a multihit it eats up all your contested health

>>537994005
that's not so bad compared to a lot of the bolters in this game

>>537994073
Damn, no wonder they didn't give power axe to tact. Tact already has huge bonus on party and gun strike so axe would just out it even more over the yop

>>537969621
>it depends on the game design and the enemies and general balance dynamics in this game would keel over and become mindless as fuck with low TTK, enemies are incredibly slow and give you free health with every kill
>the guns themselves don't feel bad beyond situations where you're not engaging with anything besides shooting with no buffs and the game is just obviously not meant to be played that way unless you're forced to
>tactical is the class primarily designed around this playstyle and they can just do that
>"enemies that can instantly kill you with ranged weapons" are not really a thing in 99% of the content and this game lets you dodge most high-damage attacks
>tactical, sniper and heavy can all rely on their primary to do tons of damage, tactical just needs to engage with melee to do it because they're the "all-rounder" and combining melee and shooting is the core of the game
>

>>537995738
>tactical, sniper and heavy can all rely on their primary to do tons of damage, tactical just needs to engage with melee to do it because they're the "all-rounder" and combining melee and shooting is the core of the game
Fast charge Sniper with all the ammo stuff is pretty funny, you clear entire waves worth of stuff in seconds.

The heroic weapons are kinda gay.

>>537995738
Yea, if you can shoot your way out of things then every class will just shoot their ways out for everything and melee weapons are just decorations.

>>537995738
>it depends on the game design and the enemies and general balance dynamics in this game
No, spongey enemies are not fun.
>the guns themselves don't feel bad beyond situations where you're not engaging with anything besides shooting
So when you're just using the guns they feel like shit, so the guns feel like shit.
>tactical is the class primarily designed around this playstyle and they can just do that
You need to be using specific weapons to do that, pretty much every bolter besides the carbine can not, they don't do enough damage to be worth more than just wailing on a warrior with your melee.
>"enemies that can instantly kill you with ranged weapons"
You probably just don't play above substantial, devourers and venom cannons are a constant threat that will end you if they land a proper hit.
>tactical, sniper and heavy can all rely on their primary to do tons of damage, tactical just needs to engage with melee
They all need to engage in melee constantly because their weapons don't do nearly enough damage or stagger to keep enemies from closing in every single fight. A heavy with a heavy bolter can't even keep a single bonesword warrior from closing because it can just perfectly block all of his ranged damage.

>>537996285
Darktide disproves that theory, most players there use a balance of ranged and melee, builds that focus on range or melee or both are equally viable. You do not need to make the guns shit to make melee good, you do not need to make melee shit to make guns good.
Maybe saber should just be less shit at game design than the clownshow that is fatshark?

>>537996356
i play on ruthless mainly lol
every class deals with melee to an extent because it's a melee combat shooter. When I'm playing tac at least I am not engaging with melee because "it's just easily the most optimal thing to do" I'm engaging in melee until I get a buff from an execution or perfect guard and then I start doing tons of burst damage. this is handily more fun to engage with than if I didn't have to put more thought into it than "click man, wave melts"

>>537996645
>i play on ruthless mainly lol
lol
Yeah, you do sound like a ruthless player.

>>537996745
okay so you're an ego-driven retard that refuses to lower the difficulty when you're not having fun but you're trying to contort the game design to be easy on max difficulty (and downright shit on everything else) so you can have a smooth experience without changing it
got it, very surprising

>>537996852
okay so you're a shithead who cannot actually speak for how the game plays at real difficulties that represent the necessary skill to get all content yet insists that his opinion is reflective of anything relevant

>>537959267
Agree. I unistalled it for now, time to grind in another game. Bye!

>>537964645
No, it's not like that. Experience gained with weapons depends on how many sections of the level a weapon has been in your loadout. Levels are divided into three sections by the two loadout supply pods found along the way. You don't have to use it at all and still get the xp for it.

>>537996852
>trying to contort the game design to be easy on max difficulty
If you can't imagine the game being difficult with the guns being good then you are a genuine dimwit perfectly fit for the saber development team.
If other coop games that managed to make both melee and ranged good and viable at the same didn't exist then maybe it would be understandable, but they do exist so you're just a retard.

>>537997224
can you tell me right now how Darktide and Space Marine are significantly mechanically different besides "guns no work good" or are you genuinely incapable of registering it

>>537997219
my problem is that I do have it equipped for the entire mission but I don't gain any experience with it. I have a grey melta rifle that I fire one or two times in the entire mission or just never pull out but I don't gain any experience with it at all, just for my secondary and melee.

>>537996992
your complaint could be with the fact that you have to play on high difficulties to access gameplay content (except it doesn't for the most part because ruthless gives you the relic data you need for weapons, the important part- and the stratagems in the game are not as difficult as absolute iirc) or that high difficulties are so overtuned that it makes the game not engaging, but instead you have to advocate for the HD2 approach that made anything sub-D10 almost unplayably easy and D10 still failing to please.

>>537996645
>I am not engaging with melee because "it's just easily the most optimal thing to do" I'm engaging in melee until I get a buff from an execution or perfect guard
>I am not engaging in melee because "it's just easily the most optimal thing to do"
>I'm engaging in melee until I get a buff from an execution or perfect guard and then I start doing tons of burst damage
So you're not engaging in melee because its optimal, but because its... optimal? The fuck is your point here?

Always funny when Saber comes along and makes me reconsider Fatshark at how I value Warhammer devs.

>>537997574
why the fuck would you want the shooter explicitly about mixing melee combat and shooting to not encourage you to mix melee combat and shooting on the class that is explicitly about mixing melee and shooting more than anything else? Like holy shit dude. LOOK. Look at the fucking enemies in this game. Giant heads, they stand still, they do no fucking damage to you outside of telegraphed attacks or special units. Every single one you kill can give you damage buffs and health regen. These enemies were not built to be dealt with in droves instantly without any serious effort. How do you look at this and go "the problem is that I can't deal with all of these enemies with a few quick head taps?"

>>537997336
You've never been able to explain why the solutions presented would be untenable, you just say they're different games and are unable to actually explain why that's a problem.
You keep saying "they'll just shoot through everything" but the mechanical solutions to that while still allowing guns to feel good are numerous and trivial to implement.
The biggest difference between them besides guns being nonviable to clear levels with is that darktide has a much smoother, faster melee combat system that flows a lot better and doesn't lock you into a bunch of lengthy animations whenever you do anything.

>>537997513
No, my complaint could be with the fact that you don't play on a real difficulty then pretend that guns are viable when they are not and aren't even statistically comparable to their own variants let alone each other
Keep up now, there's more than one person shitting on your idiotic opinion

>>537984937
Lol mad. You and I both know there is no way to balance a free grenade every 60 seconds. You came up with the perk? Sorry youre retarded.

>>537997835
>play on a difficulty that doesn't work for you
>bitch that the entire game must be changed to match the difficulty because you literally cannot conceive of lowering it to something you actually have fun with, even when there is no incentive keeping you there
bewildering display of ego

>>537997749
And now you go on an unrelated tirade to boot, Either sober the fuck up or get off the internet if you're going to post stream of consciousness bullshit that isn't worth following.

>>537997926
>that doesn't work for you
>I CAN'T WIN ON ABSOLUTE SO THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T EITHER!
Speaking of ego, your projection is just that. I can easily win on absolute, i can have fun with it, it doesn't change the fact that guns are mediocre.

>>537997749
>Look at the fucking enemies in this game. Giant heads, they stand still, they do no fucking damage to you outside of telegraphed attacks or special units
Lol.
Just lol.
The visual description isn't even applicable to many enemies in this game.
Tyranid warriors? Zoanthropes? Neurothropes? It certainly doesn't apply to any chaos majoris, nor any other terminus enemy. Do you actually even play this game?

>>537998082
If you were genuinely having fun with it you wouldn't be bitching about how guns are literally worthless and how Saber is a shit developer and if you were that is strange and concerning that you're not playing a game that you enjoy more

>>537998129
the literal only majoris this doesn't apply to in the entire game is chaos spawn. Warriors and chaos space marines absolutely do barely move with massive head hitboxes and shoot

>>537998209
>chaos space marines have massive head hitboxes
Lmao. He really doesn't play space marine 2.

>>537998135
>you shouldn't complain about the game because it means you play it but don't like it
Fucking hell, next he'll tell us we can't complain about shit food and having to pay taxes

>>537998278
can you not consistently hit CSM heads?

>>537998295
No, honest to god, dude. You are advocating to change the entire game into something else whether you know it or more likely don't. Every part of the game's design has to change to accommodate "lore accurate" bolters and I don't really understand how you don't see that. Just play something else.

>>537998313
I can.
If you can consistently hit a target that means it's a large target? What made you this retarded?

>>537998135
>everyone who shits on me is one person
>you're not allowed to critique something you enjoy
there you go with that ego again, you're only holding these thoughts because you cannot accept the idea that someone would disagree with your "superior" opinion
I kill more warriors in one fight on absolute than you do during an entire ruthless mission on top of a carnifex, up to six extremis, and dozens of gaunts. Your opinion on how weapon balance works is mostly irrelevant because you don't even see what enemy density gets up to.

>>537997783
I feel like I've explained them plenty, but you've glossed over them.
To be honest, it's kind of hard to do it in a concise way because it's the entire game.
>Tons of flow-encouraging perks and abilities that play into massively boosting your damage for certain actions that would become cartoonish overkill if bolters killed in a few headshots
>many gun-centric builds already have a habit of running low on ammo and trying to switch to a "low ammo, high damage" model would result in having to use the melee systems (which are much better for dueling than swarm clear) for swarm clear to save ammo
>combat design centered around focusing down tanky majoris for massive benefits like temporary invincibility, armor regen, damage buffs swarm clear, etc- killing a majoris is typically a momentum swinger/booster, if it's effortless the game becomes effortless in 99% of content

>>537998404
>Every part of the game's design has to change to accommodate "lore accurate" bolters
Actually only a very small fraction of the game needs to change to make that happen.
How stupid do you need to be to not know how to make guns feel good without being overpowered?

>>537998404
I'm not even the anon doing thatm, I'm the one who has been calling you out on your pants on head retarded logic here, 'dude'. That said, we already have much better guns than all the bolters. All the plasma weapons take huge steaming dookies on them. Them no longer being shit doesn't require the game being entirely reworked what so ever.

The devs seem to have forgotten that the purpose of the blue/red circles is so you can react in the most hectic screen-fucked scenarios imaginable. Not for you to be playing Elden Ring with attacks so delayed they'd feel at home in a train station.

>>537996607
darktide is a reddit tf2 and gmod soi enjoyer game. back to darktide general underage fag

>>537998627
>arkham bamham "see color, press button" combat is good, actually
the west has fallen

>>537998627
Attack indicators constantly fail to appear and what attacks have indicators is inconsistent so I don't think they knew what they were doing in the first place.

>>537998469
Thank you for utterly confirming that you're the kind of person to start having a mini-tantrum when something doesn't go your way once and your design "ideas" are motivated by that

>>537998763
Thanks for giving up on the argument, saves everyone the time of having to explain to you how you're stupid.

>>537998627
this is a big problem with the chaos spawn, i have had indicators time out on their attacks before they actually reach me

>>537998763
topkek, get lost kid, run back to ruthless

>>537998821
I mean you're the type to insist on playing max difficulty and then start smarmily ranting about how the devs are retards when anything you want to do doesn't work, what is there to argue about? I know I'm better than you.

>>537990010
how do you not have everything unlocked at this point

>>537998826
>have this happen to me once
>register that this particular long range attack has a delay
>parry it every single time afterwards
waow

>>537998879
My man, he is complaining that they are shit at balancing the game, and he's right. The only thing you 'argued' is that you shouldn't be in charge of game development.

>>537998651
Delayed attacks are fine in 1v1 scenarios. Not when you're fighting 5+ Majoris and an entire horde at once. All it results in is people doing everything to avoid play Simon Says at all. Melta Bombs, ground pound spam, Sniper staying cloaked forever, Tactical popping heads like confetti etc.

>>537998981
Yeah unlike the gold star example of HD2 where D10 is the only difficulty that even exists and most people don't even play the team co-op shooter as a team shooter anymore

>>537998964
yeah and the delay is a problem because if im fighting something else and its off screen, i dont if thats some tzaangor trying to gank me or its the chaos spawn leaping across the entire room

>>537999126
i don't really think that would be a problem if they expanded the tzaangor parry window so you can block it later, i do not have a problem with having to keep a head on a swivel and react to enemies differently when you're surrounded and not just react to a light

>>537999070
Yeah, because HD2 is so reknowned for its tight weapon balance

>>537998560
>Tons of flow-encouraging perks and abilities that play into massively boosting your damage
Ah yes, perks like, let me see here, "the first light attack within 5 seconds after a perfect parry or perfect block deals 25% more damage" or "if you have armor remaining, melee damage increases by 10%"(that used to be even worse btw). That massive damage.
>would result in having to use the melee systems (which are much better for dueling than swarm clear) for swarm clear to save ammo
You fundamentally do not understand space marine 2. There are melee weapons basically made specifically for swarm clear.
>killing a majoris is typically a momentum swinger/booster
What the fuck are you talking about? A single majoris is an absolute chump that a lot of tools can chunk in seconds.

>>537999214
then why have the light at all then, if you have it you should use it, but that doesnt change the fact that it completely goes away and i didnt know that was there or it was leaping across the entire room

>>537998879
>I mostly play ruthless
>I know i'm better than you
Really trying to salvage that ego.

>>537998947
If I had started playing after the patch that relaxed pistol class limitations I wouldn't have touched regular bolt pistol either.

>tfw managed to beat Weekly Hard Strategem
>Got Xenophase Blade, the only heroic weapon that looks remotely different
>It's slow and ass
>Have no other heroic weapon I want to try
I'm just going to take it easy and do normal weeklies and shit for the armor pieces.

>>537999379
You're the one clinging to the difficulty you refuse to change when you're not having a great time, man.

>>537999516
Except he has explicitly said he enjoys playing on absolute. Its just that a number of the guns are useless. You might unironically be the dumbest motherfucker on the internet right now.

>>537999570
and if everything was buffed to be top-notch on absolute it would fuck campaign and everything beneath it really transparently. Campaign is already easy. Ruthless is already pretty easy.

>>537999516
And you're the one outright having to ignore what everyone else is saying to even pretend to have a point.

>>537999641
If ruthless is too easy for you, why are you playing on it, coward?

>>537999690
That's literally what you're doing. You're just repeating "but darktide exists!" on loop.

Can't wait for this filler episode to end so the threads can go back to bitching about Block vs Fencing

>>537999746
You've brought up darktide more than he has

>>537999641
>everything was buffed to be top-notch on absolute
>How stupid do you need to be to not know how to make guns feel good without being overpowered?

Chaos spawn fight like extremis as majoris. Is it intentional that chaos is the unfun hardmode faction or is saber just clueless?

>>537999809
>that chaos is the unfun hardmode faction
Keeping with Space Marine tradition then

>>537999319
executions and gun strikes giving bonus ranged damage for like 50 seconds can enable you to output a TON of damage if you're using a weapon with splash or lots of pierce

I more meant that I don't find melee swarm clear fun than it being objectively bad. I could never imagine playing this game like Darktide where you use melee as a primary to conserve ammo, the sluggish-feeling third person melee animations are just not as nice-feeling for weeding a horde.

Every fucking "vgh look at how slowly guns kill..." clip is done from a neutral position. Killing Majoris or using abilities gives you buffs to make weapons do significantly more damage on every range-oriented class in the game. The way tac typically plays, at minimum, is killing a majoris and then using that to do way more damage to everything else.

>>537999746
I have literally never mentioned darktide once in this entire general. Darktide is unimportant, i don't give a shit about it. Bolters are still shit in a total vacuum and that's even putting aside how worthless bodyshots are

>>537999479
I'm just buying the cosmetics because all the weapons are ass, except maybe the pistol which looks nice but is also ass in terms of gameplay.

>>537999791
It speaks for itself, you can sustain for fucking forever if you keep chaining kills. If chaining kills is as simple at point and click, you can sustain mindlessly in almost all of the content. The entire rest of the game is not like Absolute or hard siege.

>>537999809
yeah its like fighting raveners, they either need to remove the suck, ground pound, or the smoke screen, thats a lot of moves for a majoris, that im not sure if its physical differential like lashwhips and boneswords, but the visual acuity is mess for them since theyre a blob of flesh

I don't compare this game to Darktide, I compare it to Vermintide 2 which I feel does a better job as maintaining the power fantasy even on higher difficulties. The core systems Space Marine 2 is built on is fine, unlike how Fatshark usually shits the bed at launch and has to spend ages fixing core systems, it's just all the shit they keep throwing on top of it that bogs it down and makes me less interested in SM3.

That power fist execute on the spawn where he just tackles him to the ground before he caves in its face is great.

>dude just buff everything i play on space marine must die i know what i'm talking about
>you want to talk about potential consequences or why the design is the way it is? ugh who cares about that shit dude guns should kill things it'll work trust me

>>537999879
There isn't a single gun strike or execution buff that lasts 50 seconds. I can't even think of one that lasts 10.
Still moving goal posts for this one.
Yeah, no shit, but it doesn't get much better with buffs outside of tactical's auspex scan, but that's exactly the problem that everyone bitches about. Auspex scan is the only time bolters are useable (barring carbine), and even then they only are when getting purely headshots. Why would you ever bother jumping through hoops lining up auspex scans when you can just use melee or a plasma weapon that will just do it without worrying about buffs?

>>538000323
maybe part of the problem is that every class but tac, the class the game designed around, is poorly designed for pve

>>538000215
Even by your own admission the consequences just amount to 'people will use bolters to kill things instead of completely ignoring them as a weapon category'. So yeah, no shit we don't care.

>>538000090
>If chaining kills is as simple at point and click
It's a good thing not a single person has suggested this then. It's a good thing most people are suggesting buffs that just bring the guns up to par with the already good guns in the game like the plasmas

>>538000496
there have 100% been people who have said that bolters should kill in one burst

>>538000526
Kill what in one burst
Feel free to quote the post in question

>>538000447
the consequences if people completely had their way would be that the game's design would be absolutely smashed in favor of distilling it into shootslop, like how people insisted that there was genuinely no issue whatsoever with the multi-melta doing absolutely everything by mashing left click. this happens in pve games all the time whenever they try to have more difficulty going on than a farming sim

slight buffs to bolt rifles like how the ABR just got a little damage buff will not end the game but the game is not and should ape DT's design where you can just build to decide to not-engage with melee with every class that has a gun and a sword

>>538000215
>the potential consequence of automatic bolters feeling good to use and nothing else changing
oh my god what a catastrophe that would be

>>538000951
Fuck me, you bring up darktide so often I'm convinced you're paid advertise it.
The buffs the ABR just got have changed absolutely nothing about its current placement because it completely fails to address its issues. Yay, it has slightly more headshot damage on a weapon with horrible accuracy and recoil control. That 0.1 increase in the modifier will surely bring it up to par with the plasma incinerator which doesn't even need direct hits to wipe out crowds.

Guns should be powerful but limited in ammo. This is literally horde game 101, and to be honest it's how most Astartes in the backlines find themselves when they have no backup. Bolters are used to kill maybe a dozen enemies and then they'll go an entire mission in pure melee. That's what should be translated.

>>538000951
>the game's design would be absolutely smashed in favor of distilling it into shootslop
Then just balance it so it doesn't while making the guns feel good to use. It is not complex, it is not difficult.
The simplest way to do this would merely involve shuffling some stats around and the game would still overwhelmingly play the same.
You absolute room temperature IQ troglodyte.

>>538001293
you are literally saying "just fix the problem"

>AHHH DON'T BUFF BOLT WEAPONS IT'D RUIN THE GAME
>Meanwhile Relic Pyreblaster fucking decimates Absolute to the point you may as well be on Minimal

>>538001346
Yes, because its literally that simple

No codes for Aussie/Asia hours?

>>538000804
not going to the archive but majoris because that's the point of complaint everyone has. but many people complaining about bolter feel directly compare it to the point of reference of space marine 1 and DT where it kills things like ork shoota boys and armored ogryn in one burst, feeling very meaty and powerful- but their role in the sandbox in those games was very different. the bolter is a specialist weapon with exceedingly high damage in dt but the basic weapon here. sm1 wasn't really a "horde shooter" in the way we get them now and the game design encouraged you to play safe against any reasonably threatening enemy instead of entering melee- it's a very different game

they actually mentioned this in the recent patch notes, the ABR has the role of being an "all-rounder weapon" in a game where that's just not very useful and only reason they didn't either delete it or fold it into other weapons is because it would be a drastic step that would fuck with save files

>>538001251
this would suck

>>538001858
Now I'm starting to get worried, anon. Blink twice if a fatshark dev is holding a gun to your head to make you bring up darktide this much.

>>538001984
>wow dude it's really weird that you're bringing up the other warhammer 40k horde shooter that has an extremely powerful-feeling bolter when you're discussing whether the bolter should be buffed to be extremely powerful and people are suggesting things like gutting ammo cap and making the game more melee centric in exchange for high damage (like a certain game)

>>538002065
Yes, it is weird that you're trying to crowbar it into every other post.

>>538002218
not really

>>538002243
Yes, really. It comes off as hilariously unnatural and forced.

>>538002352
are you going to talk about game balance or what

>>538001858
>ork shoota boys and armored ogryn
these are not remotely similar in role
basic boys, slugga and shoota, are minoris enemies alongside gretchin, shit like aardboys and lootas and other specialists make majoris while nobs and equivalents get extremis
an armored chaos ogryn would be majoris at a minimum, possibly an extremis
And you had better wheel out that archive because I have never once seen a single person say
>warriors and rubrics should die in one burst
I've seen it for gaunts because gaunts during horde sections already do die in one or two shots and it feels fine because theres hundreds of them.
>and the game design encouraged you to play safe against any reasonably threatening enemy instead of entering melee
And you think this isn't true now? Entering into melee with reckless abandon will get you fucked even on lethal as numbers go up enough to be legitimately threatening. You try to charge a ranged terminator or a rubric gunline or enraged devourer/venom cannon and see how much you get melted.

>>538002419
No, because you have displayed you have no interest in discussing it in good faith, so I'm going to keep going until you stop feeding me, because it amuses me that you put so much effort into being patently incorrect.

>>538002516
I mean I'm literally right, people like you have basically zero self awareness when it comes to talking about games and I like talking about it so it's a mutual arrangement

>>538002580
No, you are not. Your complaint this entire time is that bolt weapons should not be buffed because it would make the game too shooting centric, but we already have guns that overwelmingly overpower all bolt weapons aside from the carbine. You have been at this for ages and your style of typing makes it exceedingly obvious that its still you. You pick and choose what arguements to respond to and actively ignore most of the salient ones and video evidence to the contrary. You have admitted to only really playing on ruthless. You're a joke and a fraud, so I will take my time and enjoy putting my screws to you.

>>538000526
Let's imagine you have a buffed bolt rifle. It has 20 round mags and 120 rounds total.
It kills warriors in 10 shots to the body and seven to the head, it kills gaunts in a single shot in any case, it has no penetration.
Will you have the accuracy to hit every warrior in the head every time? Probably not, so the average shots to kill a warrior would probably be 8-9. We'll be generous and assume you will hit every shot per warrior though. That's 13 or 15 dead warriors or 120 dead gaunts from full ammo to zero.
Will that allow you to shoot your way through an entire level that's going to throw hundreds of warriors at you over the course of it? Obviously not, there's around 10 warriors just standing around the first bend on inferno half the time.
Is that an overly high amount of damage to be throwing out in such a short period of time? No, tactical can just straight up two shot warriors on absolute with his auspex parry and gunstrikes.
Would that be overpowered in conjunction with auspex? No, there are ranged weapons that can wreak more carnage than that with auspex, sometimes even without auspex.
Now you have a bolter people like to shoot at things, it'll clear a small swarm or blast one or two warriors if you need immediate space but it's not going to let you shoot through the entire level effortlessly or even a whole wave.

>>538002065
Generic humans blow up in Space Marine 2 the second you look at them funny
Chaos Spawns are normal enemies here equal to Tyranid Warriors, while being Monsters in Fatshark games
You fight against stronger enemies here, it makes perfect sense for them to be more resilient

>>538002720
my complaint is that bolt weapons shouldn't be buffed to the point that they overshadow every single specialized weapon in the game, which people seem to earnestly want them to do, and comes from experience from HD2 where one buff was immediately followed by people demanding every gun is buffed up to their level which genuinely ruined the game eventually for me, lol. this happens in every pve game. People bitch about their own power level until every last ounce of difficulty or novelty is pruned out in favor of some dogshit farming sim. I won't seethe about minor boltgun nerfs but I know it's never going to fucking stop there and that's just acknowledging reality

>>538001756
Maybe in a bit brother

>>538002808
Your average bolter is supposed to be as strong as a devourer. If you use lore, stats and scale you should be putting a warrior into execution state in like 8 shots from your bolt rifle.

>>538002991
It's a good thing that this is helldivers 2 then.

>>538002991
Well of course its not going to stop at minor buffs. Because as I mentioned, the only one that isn't literally dumpster worthy is the carbine and maybe at a stretch the stalker. That said, are you really someone who is in any place of worrying about difficulty if you aren't even playing on the top difficulty where everyone is making the complaint? Obviously not and thus you will get no sympathy from me, you inbred cretin.

>>538002435
have you considered that absolute and siege are absurdly far removed from something like campaign's max difficulty and changing the fundamental game balance to make that smoother might be a bad idea
SM2 is much less of a straight shooter than SM1, SM1 you could maybe get health back from executions if you were in the right position. SM2 makes you invincible and buffs you while also stopping ranged majoris from engaging you.

>>538002991
>>538003160
I mean shit people said the fucking multimelta wasn't a problem. the gun that lets you infinitely heal off of enemies, stagger them, and melt them by existing vaguely close-by. That is just how people are about PVE balancing. Nothing is a problem unless it impedes me. There is no bad design other than design that mildly frustrates my attempts to own. every pve gamer is a junior game designer because community-influenced balancing is so common now and it's such fucking ass dude.

>>538003101
>If you use lore, stats and scale you should be putting a warrior into execution state in like 8 shots from your bolt rifle.
The accuracy Bolt Rifle literally does this.

>>538003169
>maybe at a stretch
stalker is downright pretty good lol
bolt rifle with GL is fine but all weapons work on tactical so

>new strategem mode (the hard one) is perfectly doable
>it's just absolute with a couple back and forth modifiers
>all it requires is for people to focus and bring leveled gear
>underleveled retards
>grey weapon retards
>tacticals cannot bring the grenade team perk and vanguards take +15% melee damage
>forced to grind this shit at the start, because it's weekly lockouts all over again and by the end of the week only shitters remain
The mode might need adjustment a little in terms of weekly/daily rewards
And while I'm posting
>level power axe
>feels weird to swing
>look closer
>light chain is just knife's heavy chain with minimal animation adjustments

>>538002991
What is even your fucking problem? You're complaining about all the difficulty being removed when you already play mainly on a difficulty that you would need to TRY to lose on. A couple gunstrikes will kill a warrior without any buffs. What difficulty is there to lose on ruthless if you bring the bolters up to par with plasma and melta?

wait is hard strategem absolute mode?
maybe i do play absolute and it's not bad at all lol
truth be told the literal only reason I don't play absolute is because I don't really bother with co-op games without friends (why bother) and they're playing a variety of weapons at lower ranks

>>538003424
it does it in 9 headshots
now how many bodyshots?

>>538003281
have you considered that half of the basic combat of the game feeling like shit is bad and should be fixed?
>SM1
gave you full health back for stomping a gretchin, you could get it from every enemy you saw, and almost every encounter was designed around throwing enough melee boys at you so you could top yourself off. I struggle to think of a single fight in the game where you didn't have access to healing practically on demand
>SM2
gives you a single pip of armor

>>538003424
It doesn't even do that if you only get headshots.
But it would be pretty stupid of you to assume I meant pure headshots when devourers do not need to deliver two full bursts to your head to kill you in this game.

>>538004108
space marine 2 is so much more fun to play than space marine 1 nowadays it's unreal so gun feel definitely isn't everything

couldn't you guys have bickered about bullshit for the last month when the thread was on life support?

>>538003684
i've explained it plenty but this literal exact song and dance happens in any vaguely grindy PVE game that tries to fuck with difficulty. Helldivers only D10 is a real difficulty at this point and it's about as easy as like D7 used to be with many mechanics often ignored. If people want the bolters to be at a level where it's like 4-5 unbuffed headshots from a completely unbuffed automatic bolter to put them down for the count (less for semis) you better believe that's going to gut difficulty on sub-absolute content (where the design is built pretty well around making up for the "weak" guns with all the other mechanics) and people are going to start saying that anything in the game that doesn't reach that new level needs to be pumped up to match.

like great, if you yourself are saying the hard mode is brainlessly easy (something that I don't think most of the people who have played the game would say, lot of people bitched about campaign difficulty on launch) then you agree that raising player power levels that drastically would total what challenge there is

You guys are struggling with chaos spawns?
Just look at their animations, the blue circle shows when they start the charge, not when they connect.

>>538003681
If it's against tyranids you can just bring a relic secondary for gunstrikes and otherwise do fucking whatever unless it's that absurd responsibility modifier.

>>538004494
Ignoring you continuing to strawman the bolter changes, you still haven't addressed what people are saying. That you don't even play on a difficulty worth a damn, so your argument that we would make the game too easy with these changes absolutely do not matter. If the game is too easy for you, you can just play on a harder difficulty.

>>538004494
it's not even restricted to shooters!
PoE2 tried to be part legitimate action game with mechanics and dodging and it pissed people the fuck off even when they insisted the original game was keeping support
limbus company is a fucking GACHA GAME and they've repeatedly been browbeaten into gutting difficulty spikes in the story by their hurt-feelings fans

pvetards are just eternally insistent that they deserve to cruise through everything ignoring what a game is trying to do

>>538004494
>Helldivers
Is an entirely different game with an entirely different focus and entirely different problems.
Using it and its 14 bile titans as an example is fucking retarded.
>If people want the bolters to be at a level where it's like 4-5 unbuffed headshots from a completely unbuffed automatic bolter to put them down for the count
>>>

>>538004741
even ignoring how retarded it is to whip out the "ummm i play on high difficulty making me an expert" (there are many developers who are shit at their games who understand their games FAR better than Guy Who Plays Hard Mode)
>>538003872
if this is true i played on absolute without even noticing lol

>>538003872
Hard stratagem has different breakpoints. Not sure what they did there.

>>538004494
The overwhelming majority of launch campaign complaints were because you were stuck with balanced weapons that constantly highlight this game's melee system falling apart whenever minoris stagger attacks and lock you into an infinite loop of late parries, and perfect parrying minoris didn't give you armor back, and who knows if that was even intentional or they just forgot to fix that.

>>538004741
also making the entire game easy except for max difficulty is not desirable- it should be a scale, from easy to VERY bordering on unreasonably hard not "fucking easy, fucking easy, fucking easy, kinda hard"

>>538004934
>there are many developers who are shit at their games who understand their games FAR better than Guy Who Plays Hard Mode
Maybe there are but PvE horde shooter devs have routinely proven to not be one of them.

>>538004934
My man, that was one of the most transparent attempts to claw back legitimacy that has ever been seen. Everyone is ignoring it because it was embarrassing to read, not because its inconvenient.
And no, the arguement isn't 'we play on a higher difficulty so we're right' its 'you keep bitching about making the game too easy, but you don't even actually play on a difficulty where that's a valid criticism'. But understanding that would require a room temperature IQ, and before you try it, no, this isn't me telling you to put your head in the oven.

>>538004156
You're not building it right. Acc Bolt Rifle with full spec into damage can kill 3 Majoris in one mag.

>>538005359
>you don't even actually play on a difficulty where that's a valid criticism
this doesn't even make a lick of sense unless you believe that only the hardest difficulty being well balanced should matter, which is unfathomably retarded

>>538005056
To this day I have no idea what the fuck were they thinking with melee weapons.
>balanced is unintuitive, since active frames start late into the animation
>block just doesn't interact with the melee system as it was designed
>fencing worked perfectly fine to the point where devs kept nerfing it, because it's the only melee type that actually worked with parries as intended

>>538005509
because saber wasn't thinking
remember when each minoris attack did a full pip of armor regardless of difficulty? Its obvious that they, like other horde shooter devs, don't actually play the game on anything but the easiest difficulty with the strongest classes

>>538004934
>there are many developers who are shit at their games who understand their games FAR better than Guy Who Plays Hard Mode
Clearly saber doesn't have any of those developers when they constantly make such bafflingly retarded balance and mechanical decisions that pretty much any cogent player could tell you is retarded at a glance.
>we didn't know people would just use a full heal banner to full heal people constantly instead of placing it down just for some worthlessly slow armor regen
>you and everyone else on the team can have a free melta bomb that kills entire waves and groups of extremis(used to chunk terminus too btw) every 60 seconds or 30% more chp recovery with ranged weapons, choose wisely
>here's a modifier where the mission is literally impossible because one retard keeps eating combos from a lone tyranid warrior
These devs literally don't know shit about their own game. They balance purely by how often weapons are being chosen because they have zero experience actually playing the game and thinking about what's good or not.

>>538005471
I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Ruthless, lethal, and absolute all have the same health amounts for enemies. If a bolter is balanced at absolute, it will still be balanced at your precious little ruthless difficulty. It will perform exactly the same on the same enemies. That said, bolters are shit at all difficulties, so you can lick my hairy unwiped ass and ask me for some more.

>Hard stratagem
>Tactical with a bolter
>underleveled Bulwark with power axe with a Black Templar skin

>the ultramarines champion kneepad stays fucking green
these fucks cannot do anything right

SM1 has good/fun bolters, hard gameplay, and no headclicking.

You're all fucking stupid newfags.

>>538005725
>Ruthless, lethal, and absolute all have the same health amounts for enemies.
Oh word? Then there's basically no problem with the balance as it currently is because majoris damage thresholds are well considered on those difficulties. I'm glad we could work this out.
>>538005880
>hard gameplay
LOL

>>538002991
You havent played HD2 recently and it shows. You wouldnt even be able to finish a D10 on the hive world.

>>538005994
>take metaslop plas purifier 4 tunnel dude
>take or perhaps anti tank if there's just no way around fighting directly
>ignore enemies as much as possible while rushing objectives
WOW THAT WAS FUCKING TOUGH

>>538005945
I know you, you're the pathetic loser whose been shitposting all week whenever anyone points out bolters are shit.