Thread 3826800

Post your fangame progress. Post other's fangame progress.
Post fangames! Post progress!

Honestly, I still can't believe we managed to kill a thread in just nine days. That's gotta be a record of sorts for the /vrpg/ threads, right?

>>3826804
The regular Deltarune threads managed it in less than a week I think, they also reached the image limit.

UT Promise (integrity before yellow)'s demo is out
https://gamejolt.com/p/aaaaand-it-s-out-have-fun-and-do-leave-some-feedback-at-this-goo-cmhnct8b

>>3827031
on OFF day? on dear...

speaking of Integrity, what is her deal in DRY? I've thought of an idea but I feel like its another case of my headcanon consuming what was there and being something else

>>3827104
Hates monsters for whatever reason, is a ballerina with a ribbon that turns into a whip in the dark world.

>>3827104
depends, which DRY are you talking about? i think we have different ideas on the blue.

>>3827108
Either one of them, honestly.

For that DR crackshot theory fangame I pitched a few weeks ago, how important would you say maintaining the original game's cast of darkners is? The current plan is to have the dark worlds be roughly 70% original (based on old fan speculation), with the remaining 30% being alternative reinterpretations of canon. This means that besides important recurring darkners like Ralsei, Lancer, and Rouxls, most of the cast won't be returning, and the ones that do may be quite different.
I ask this because these threads convinced me to keep the main lightner characters the same as the original game when I originally planned not to. Wondering how important this is to people for the darkners, particularly those after chapter 1.

https://youtu.be/LT0F_q4WbBo heres some more undertale rainbow stuff

>>3827136
I think the further removed you are from chapter 1 the more off the rails you should go. So chapter 1 should have the most original DR darkners out of all the chapters. 2 would still have plenty, but a lot less than chapter 1. Chapter 3 onwards is where you go off the rails with majority OC casts.

>>3827133
for 2, the whole idea around her is that she's deathly afraid of losing friends, so she's built up several layers of extremely unhealthy coping mechanisms and layers of removal like "humans are much stronger than monsters, one couldnt possibly be REAL friends with me"
in a subconscious attempt to replace the missing affection, she's become a dictator tier teacher's pet that everyone hates

>>3827136
>The current plan is to have the dark worlds be roughly 70% original (based on old fan speculation), with the remaining 30% being alternative reinterpretations of canon.
I think that's a good enough distribution for what you are trying to do, one thing is clear, many people will be disappointed if you don't include Spamton in the chapter 2 reinterpretation, he doesn't need to be the secret boss but he is too iconic to remove from chapter 2

>>3827031
The sprite where we see the back of Harmony's head is weird. All the others have blue dreads(?) while this one only have uniform black.
Otherwise, solid demo. I like how they use the era to throw new faces and new perspectives on the zone. The Royal Guards were looking mighty too.
Let's hope it doesn't peter out.

>>3827136
can you link your original post so we have a better idea of what the concept is?

>>3827107
>>3827162
I see, I see. That's pretty different from what I was thinking.

The human girl (was her name Melody or Mallory, can't remember so I'll go with Mal) was intended to be some sort of Susie stand-in or an analogue, right? I thought of her as being misanthropic, antisocial, and more spiteful than the purple girl. Where Susie is abrasive and intimidating, Mallory is cruel and disheartening. You might be scared around Susie when she's putting up her bully façade, but being around the natural cynic Mallory is miserable. She has a warped view of the world, where the worst, most selfish sides of the people she sees are who they truly are. Things like "connections" and "friends" are just another way of trying to get something out of you, and Mallory has nothing to give to the world except the middle finger. She's the type to take out her foul mood on others by running her mouth and belittling them, picking at their insecurities and making them feel as bad as she does. And while she's not physical with her usual methods, she gets agitated very easily when her personal space is invaded, and isn't one to back down unless outnumbered. That said, the one thing she despises most is cowardice and timidity, believing those qualities belong to people too afraid of consequences to act how they truly want to. Despite that, she'd have really good grades at school and strive to maintain that.

Overall though? Genuine acts of compassion, forgiveness, or change are almost unthinkable, and she'd struggle to believe such actions as authentic. Actually apologizing for something and meaning it? Unimaginable to Mallory. Nobody does that. NOBODY likes her, and she doesn't like them, and that's just the way she likes it. Right?

>>3827229
I was under the impression DRY1anon was trying to make integrity not be like Susie.

>>3827229
DRY1 is melody, DRY2 is mylo (giving the same name treatment that kris and cole got)

I want to use Kanako's tiny body as a football.

>>3827275
Integrity...

https://youtu.be/7qYV_8CpQsw hey guys, theres finally an undertale blue fangame with kanako and dalv

>>3827295
it was posted earlier >>3827031

>>3827275
>>3827294
so how is integrity in the fangame? I haven't played it yet

>>3827296
Oh OK i see
>>3827296
She's pretty kind outside of gameplay stuff from what im seeing, she also likes abusing reloads often when things dont go well, overall, lots of personality here

>>3827295
>>3827031
Cute stuff so far, but there's some tidbits i don't like
>Toriel adressing that the last kids she let go of DIED
Should've said something on the lines of ''but they never came back'' or something else that shows her cowardice at being unable to get out and confront the real world beyond that door.
>Too much dialogue, very little gameplay
I think the Kanako acts are underdeveloped as it stands right now, she could do more to handle encounters, including that stealth section,
>RG is concussed and doesn't go full chimpout at the sight of a human.
Harmony definitely should have that helmet on at all times after the walrus because how in the world did everyone other than Kanako not go full alert at the sight of a human? Dalv at least gets an excuse cause he's not RG nor has seen a human before plus it could be funny that Harmony being a nigga means she'd blend in for those that don't know what a human is. Just have her reading the last bit of information on what happened to the other souls to have her throw her helmet off smashing a window (thus alerting the hell out of everyone)
>Not enough Kanako interaction
I want to physically abuse Kanako's small pint size body by throwing it around, i hope Harmony's HARMFUL route gets me to use Kanako as a projectile, or just toss her to dalv from way uphill then do the rest of the route alone.

>>3827143
I like the idea. It's actually pretty close to what I had in mind: chapter 1 shares much of the same cast (it's a retelling of Card Castle with some differences), chapter 2 has different takes on the same ideas (stemming from the fact it doesn't take place in the library), and chapter 3 is a new story based on the Spamton Sweepstakes teasers. Everything onwards is original, or at least inspired by what current foreshadowing points to.
I'd compare my chapters 1 and 2 to the first half of Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 and how it loosely adapts the first quarter of the manga, but modified to set up a different plot.

>>3827203
>many people will be disappointed if you don't include Spamton in the chapter 2 reinterpretation
I'd like to include Spamton in some regard since he's tied to chapter 3 and has some backstory with the Dreemurrs and Holidays. The big kicker is that my chapter 2 isn't in the library, so I'm still trying to figure something out.
My idea right now is to still give him (and the other Addisons) a vaguely similar role to canon, but altered to fit the new context. This Spamton may appear different, but he's ultimately still the same salesman we know and love.

>>3827228
The elevator pitch is that it's a reinterpretation of Deltarune based on what people speculated would happen rather than what actually did happen. The goal is to use the unused and manifest what could have been.
Here are the threads where I originally brought up the idea.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/717132354/#717165969
https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/3809661/#3818778

>>3827386
Forgot to attach pic. This is the post that gave me the idea for this project

>>3827342
>I want to physically abuse Kanako's small pint size body by throwing it around, i hope Harmony's HARMFUL route gets me to use Kanako as a projectile, or just toss her to dalv from way uphill then do the rest of the route alone
I'm not the biggest fan of Kanako generally speaking, but may I ask why you feel this way?

>>3827391
Do you have that wizard tem?

>>3827394
I think he just wants to properly play the character of Integrity.

>>3827394
I just think Kanako is made to be loaded into a cannon and fired at someone

>>3827401
Harsh.
Better than getting One'd though.

>>3827402
Is what canonically happened to her better or worse than getting One'd?

>>3827403
>canonically
If you're talking about the spoon, who knows. She could be just one out of a dozen different consciousnesses in that body, so I imagine the experience isn't too great either way. Total mental overload from being merged with god knows how many people, or complete sensory deprivation with nothing but your own thoughts to keep you company.
Guess it depends on how much she likes Metallica.

>>3827404
I kinda wanna make a drawover of that one image of that anime girl with no arms or legs and with her eyes and mouth covered, but as Kanako
Y'know, for laughs

>>3827407
I think it would be funnier if it were the spoon. Then its got a level of absurdism to it and also serves as a joke about how casually the devs fridged her om addition to being a reference to a edgy manga.

>>3827408
>I think it would be funnier if it were the spoon.
Eh, maybe. If I'm in the mood when/if I ever get around to doing that, I may just do both and let the people decide.
>reference to a edgy manga.
I had no idea that image was actually from something, I thought it was just some standalone weird fetish shit.

>>3827410
I know its from a sequence of images, but that's all I know. I just called it manga because it looked Japanese.

>comments are all clover x kanako
hearty kek
i wonder if he knew what he created

>>3827414
Tempted to vandalize that art to make the kiss more passionate

>>3827416
Its better as is

>>3827414
i found a spot called clover hill and saw exactly what you'd expect
https://wplace.live/?lat=30.116165712903264&lng=-97.78086947197265

>>3827416
do it faggot

>>3827418
Someone should vandalize the cocopowder drawing

>>3827416
How? There isn't exactly a ton of room to add new stuff there, you may as well draw something new at that rate.

>>3827418
Since someone made a big stink about that one KanaClover drawing Sig did, someone should get a bunch of people together to recreate it there.

>>3827418
the reddit also established a drawpile in the middle of a desert
https://wplace.live/?lat=37.239635333747884&lng=-105.62545931572265
aside from that i havent really come across any yellow stuff in general.
pretty funny how all the UT/DR stuff spammed everywhere is secondary knowledge, but the second you get into primary territory it drops off fast.
>>3827423
got a better spot for ya right here ^
im saving up my pixels for that by contributing to larger projects

>>3827425
well, a sig kanaclover drawing. not the NSFW one.

>>3827426
>not the NSFW one.
Would you rather die standing or live kneeling?
[you could also just conveniently Austin Powers censor any lewd bits, s'fine]

>>3827428
personally i'd rather not risk it, the mods are VERY ban happy.

>>3827425
Who's OC is that with Roba?

>>3827439
i dont know and quite frankly i dont want to.

>>3827439
Just another furry self-insert.

>>3827437
Eh, only if they find wherever you put it.
Plus, I bet this whole thing'll come crashing down in a week or so, people are already starting some more significant drama over all this.

>>3827397
It was posted in the thread that screenshot was from.

>>3827425
>pretty funny how all the UT/DR stuff spammed everywhere is secondary knowledge, but the second you get into primary territory it drops off fast.
You're completely right, but it's really funny how you say that then cite UTY as an example of primary content

>>3827451
>but it's really funny how you say that then cite UTY as an example of primary content
i know its not exactly core primary knowledge, but the ratio of base UT/DR to UTY is way too big.

>>3827452
Oh I interpreted "primary" content as official works, with "secondary" content being fan creations. Y'know, like primary and secondary sources. That's at least how I understand how the term is applied to eg. Touhou, so I thought you meant the same

>>3827455
no, primary and secondary is people who actually interact with the the topic at hand and those who only really have second hand knowledge.

>>3827418
>that cocoapowder
They certainly are standing next to each other!

I have a headcanon that the 6 fallen humans in Deltarune are all in relationships with monsters. What types/kinds of monsters would work well with each of the 6 humans? Besides Justice, we know who he’s with.

>>3827425
I had a bunch of Martlets near my house in Serbia. The servers went down when I wanted to screenshot them, and now they are gone.

>>3827547
Those poor Martlets got ethnic cleansed

>>3827422
>How?
Close Clover's eyes and fingerlocked handholding with Kanako

>>3827418
man they could've at least drawn chara and clover's portraits from red and yellow to match the other two, that just looks kinda lazy

>>3827416
Please do.

>>3827491
Kindness is an adult in a relationship with Fawfaw (Ice Wolf). Their genders are both ambiguous, so no one can tell if they're gay or straight.

Integrity ends up with Gizmo, despite still being incredibly racist against monsters.

Riley has his bunny wife.

Perseverance is currently tied up in Muffet's basement. Your call whether he's into it or not.

Patience, I have no idea what she's doing.

>>3827769
>>3827491
depending of which fangames gets finished, patience can end with either a dog/cat like monster, or a silver wolf girl (dunno if the rest have a monster companion, they are still too early in development)
but I've seen some kindness takes with their own companions like a moth guy and a squirrel girl I think

>>3827491
>Besides Justice, we know who he’s with.
Martlet!

Thinking about Kris Ketsukane AU, I realized that whatever was the promise Kris made, Roba is going to get herself involved in it. Whatever it is, it sounds like a retarded suicidal plan that is right up her alley. She may even volunteer herself for the Girl's role in Noelle's place, and while it wouldn't change much, it's going to be so much more embarrassing for Kris - you know, having adventures with your mom instead of dino bully.
Noelle likely won't survive the Ferris wheel scene, though. Either Roba complies with her request to bonk her on the head to wake her up, or she will push her out of the cabin to help her grow angel wings.

>>3827806
The ferris wheel scene only played out the way it did because Noelle had a massive crush on Susie, and Susie was trying to keep Noelle from realizing the cyber world is real.

So that means either this scene doesn't happen in the AU, or Noelle is crushing on Ceroba.

>>3827808
>or Noelle is crushing on Ceroba.
Noelle is crushing on anybody that shares traits with her older sister. I'm pretty sure she'd see Ceroba being a big badass warrior who talks harsh and she'd instantly get wet thinking about the roba whacking her head with her staff or her big fox snout revealing some very sharp and pointy teeth that have a taste for deer meat.

>>3827806
I dont think ceroba would do that. Cerobas flavor of dumb is tunnel vision, if no one lets her get started on a plan of her own then shes not going to come up with dumb as hell ways to make that plan a reality while failing to see any problems with it. she has no motivation to get noelle to have wings so she'd probably just sit there and listen with her 1 maybe 2 brain cells. Plus in a world where chujin is alive she doesn't need to scheme like that.

>>3827851
If anything, it'd be Chujin getting in on the plan, since he's the mad scientist of the bunch.

>>3827806
>Roba is going to get herself involved in it.
Ceroba only did what she did in UTY because the project was passed onto her by her dead husband who thought it was monsterkind's best hope of survival, she didn't just go along with it for fun. Ceroba made some bad choices, but she isn't actually stupid, she was just in a bad situation. That same circumstance would never exist in a DRY take like that, not like it did in UT/UTY.

So are we gonna be making a new /v/ thread later tonight?

>>3827858
>"hmm angel wings"
And then Chujin turns Noelle into Red Falcon, but only in the dark world cause in the light world, it looks like dollar store angel costume wings with one of those caps with the copter spinny glued to it.

>>3827858
I think I could see that though I dont know much about this version of chujin other than that I hear something about him going full gamer mode in the dark world. I'm all about cerobas dumb moments, I just feel that if she's got the family life she wants then she isn't going to feel a desire to go and be stupid to the extreme.

>>3827806
>whatever was the promise Kris made, Roba is going to get herself involved in it
Would there even be a promise under these circumstances? It's likely that the person who Kris made the promise with is either Dess or Carol, and growing up with the Ketsukanes means Kris would never had met the Holidays.

>>3827859
>but she isn't actually stupid
shes kind of stupid, not maliciously but "am I doing the correct thing" skills are lacking. she fucks around with the steamworks engine for a while doing absolutely nothing in the believe that she's fixing it. she lacks perspective, but has a lot of love in her heart to make up for it.

>>3827863
Well, the assumption in this case is that it's Ketsukanes are living in Hometown, not Kris living in Eastwood.

>>3827864
>she fucks around with the steamworks engine for a while doing absolutely nothing in the believe that she's fixing it.
I'd say it's more accurate to say that she lacks the technical skill to know exactly *what* she's doing wrong and what the associated risks are for whatever she's doing, but I genuinely don't think she's dumb *in general*. She has no idea what she's doing when it comes to any sort of scientific endeavors, only making as much (any?) progress with Chujin's project from the notes he left behind rather than actually knowing how to do it herself, but she seems decently well put together outside of that, specific events not withstanding.
Basically, she reminds me of a post I saw a long while ago where someone described how they thought the nine mercenaries from TF2 viewed gun safety, and they described the Scout as "having been raised by a woman who thinks a tall enough shelf is a safe place to keep a loaded gun around a child.". Okay, I don't necessarily think Ceroba would do *that* specifically, especially since she knows what a gun is, but she'd probably do something similar with any more technologically dangerous thing, like she did with the serum.
So, not generally stupid, but not particularly smart either.

>>3827862
>I dont know much about this version of chujin other than that I hear something about him going full gamer mode in the dark world.
He's basically Walter White without the cancer. Self described genius forced to work an unfulfilling job that he thinks is beneath him to support his family, because he failed to achieve his dream career, and blames its failure on someone else.

>>3827860
the threads seem to get jannied when we do them on Saturdays

>>3827870
Eh, I've seen a few make it before.

>>3827865
Still, the reason Kris was so close with the Holidays is that Rudy and Asgore were best friends and neighbors. I don't know if Chujin would be that close to Rudy.

why does the roba lack a tail

>>3827867
where I disagree myself is that the bar to know that you aren't making progress in something is a lot lower than the bar to know how something actually works. her scene with the steamworks shows a special kind of oblivious. in her head she's doing something and its for something she wanted to do and therefore she's doing the correct thing. thats why I keep saying she has tunnel vision, she blinds herself to the possibility that she's doing the incorrect thing because "clearly I'm doing the right thing" until it all goes wrong or someone else solves the problem. she's likely got her own skills, and her home life wasn't implied to be bad in any way before chujin died, so she only gets out of her depth in lifetimes where chujin dies and dumps his life work on her head which again she just dives into while clearly unqualified while also not recognizing at all that she's unqualified.

>>3827870
>>3827871
we didn't do a single thread this week right? we've played nice but I've seen several deltarune threads get wiped out while several others have just stayed up so who knows what kind of mood they are in.

>>3827873
General consensus around these parts is either that she's not a kitsune and whatever species she is doesn't have tails, or she is a kitsune and she's just too stupid to have grown a tail, since apparently kitsune's tails are tied to intelligence.
I for one just assume she doesn't have one for no particular reason.

>>3827875
Just make it not obvious, that's worked when I made some.
Hell, give me a good enough idea and I could probably whip up another Hayden image for a header, along with a nice inflammatory caption.

>>3827877
while that is hilarious, what about the special magical tails during her boss fight. did she go from one brain cell to 3 for that?
>>3827878
whats surprising is that as far as I'm aware, the last thread that went to bump limit last week was as blatant as possible

>>3827873
severe mental retardation

>>3827875
We did a thread on saturday and a thread on sunday, both of which got killed really early. Then someone made a thread plainly labeled "Undertale Yellow" sunday evening and it stayed up. Maybe that was due to the time, maybe the jannie decided non-stealth threads were ok, maybe he was just asleep.
>>3827878
The last thread that made it to the bump limit wasn't stealthy at all, while the prior two stealth threads died before reaching 150 posts.

>>3827874
>the bar to know that you aren't making progress in something is a lot lower than the bar to know how something actually works.
Yes, but depending on what exactly we're talking about, it can still be fairly hard to determine when you're making any real progress, or even necessarily heading in the right direction at all.
I once spent about 4 days trying to fix a problem with my PC's performance, since it had suddenly tanked after a game incompatibility which specifically cited an issue with my ram, and after 4 days of messing with various different programs and settings and even wiping my SSD and installing windows from scratch, it turned out to be an issue with the battery somehow limiting my max CPU cap. I felt pretty damned stupid after that, but I've also taken multiple engineering and robotics classes at the same time and passed with flying colors, so it's not really all about general intelligence so much as it's about knowledgability with whatever you're doing.
Ceroba spent a decent bit of time working at something and making no progress (twice, oops), but in her own defense, she was working with stuff she just wasn't familiar with, she didn't really have a chance.
I mean, if I was trying to get the steamworks operational like she was, I probably would've spent a bit of time looking that machine over before checking out the rest of the area, so I can't honestly say I would've cracked it in no time either.

>>3827880
>did she go from one brain cell to 3 for that?
She actually still doesn't have tails in her pacifist fight, those are just the ends of her hair, you can see it when she transforms in and out of that form. So under the assumption that tails are tied to intelligence, maybe that's an indicator of false intelligence? Magic Dunning-Kruger effect, I guess.

>>3827883
>The last thread that made it to the bump limit wasn't stealthy at all, while the prior two stealth threads died before reaching 150 posts.
Yeah, but before that I also saw multiple stealth threads last entire days while non-stealth threads went down in minutes, so I'm not sure we have enough data to determine a real pattern here just yet.

hear me out here,
>kris ketsukane in DRY
>kanako went missing some years ago
>you still play as cole
>kris ends up closing a fountain before you can get to it with cole, never even knew he was in the dark world aside from a few puzzles being solved
>knight equivalent is kanako, completely corrupted by the dark
>kris's plan is to powerlevel his dark stats by spam sealing fountains so that he can purify kanako. he just has to give them a little bit to properly form so that his stat gains are good enough.
>his current plan, however, will kill her. (or whats left of her, at least)
yeah its kinda rehash of dess but fuck it, its mixed up enough.

>>3827884
but what you were doing were a lot of general troubleshooting steps which are common when you dont have the issue at hand. ceroba was pressing random buttons and even came to the realization that she accomplished absolutely nothing when you come back from doing everything. most people without general troubleshooting skills, I say from having dealt with people who want you to fix their computer, will just put their hands up in the air and ackowledge very quickly that they dont know how to walk forward with this. it takes a particular mindset for people to proceed while not having the mental skills to start with, and usually that leads to things being broken even worse kanako

>>3827873
>>3827877
She's a coyote in a wig and hides her tail to not reveal that fact.

>>3827884
and being able to recognize when you are out of your depth or that you dont have the right solution is a form of intelligence as well, and an important part of the problem solving process, a step that at the very least ceroba shows for sure she missed

>>3827888
>Kanako dead before the start of the story, again
into the trash it goes

>>3827890
>people who want you to fix their computer
Ah, but that's with people who want *someone else* to try and solve the problem, Ceroba was assuming that she had more ability to handle the situation than Clover did, which wasn't inherently unreasonable given that Clover is a child, and assumed she'd have to take the lead throughout the steamworks. After Clover solves the problem before she can, Ceroba realizes that having Clover take the lead is the better idea, and does so. So, even if she didn't realize she couldn't solve it as she was trying to, she did at least know to let Clover handle things like that from there on out, and to help them out when needed, like with the box puzzle. She spent so long trying to solve it because she assumed that Clover couldn't and honestly speaking, if Clover wasn't the most weirdly adept child in the world (save for Frisk, but they're under our control, so they don't really count), they probably wouldn't have had it either.

>>3827895
>Ceroba was assuming that she had more ability to handle the situation than Clover did, which wasn't inherently unreasonable given that Clover is a child
but when you see how she talks to people especially leading up to the fight with her, its clear this isn't just something towards clover being a child. she's locked into one mental path until its proven to her in action that she's wrong or incapable of going forward, but she attempts it regardless unable to see she's out of her depth until proven otherwise. Starlo and martlet try to talk her down with reason but she doesn't listen to reason because she's "right" until she's irrevocably shown otherwise. chujin warned her not to involve her daughter but its ok because shes "sure she did everything right" until instantly and catastrophically she sees otherwise. Also turning on the steamworks wasn't the most complicated thing by design since monsters seem to love simplistic puzzles as the answer to random things. Clover is protagonistically competent but I dont think this is really an example of that.

>>3827897
>Clover is protagonistically competent but I dont think this is really an example of that.
Eh, fair.
I don't actually have too much to say about most of this, but I do have one thing about
>she doesn't listen to reason because she's "right"
Okay, so, I'm not entirely convinced in the dialogue leading up to and during her fight that she *actually* thinks she's 100% right, it more so strikes me that she's saying she has to keep going down this path because otherwise everything she's done will have been for nothing and otherwise she may as well die, which we see an example of later when she asks you to kill her after you defeat her. She's devoted so much of her life to fulfilling Chujin's plan, and lost so much because of it that she's locked herself into completing it at any cost because she's already put so much into it that backing out now would mean that it was all for nothing. Sunk-cost fallacy to the death, I guess.

>>3827900
>because otherwise everything she's done will have been for nothing and otherwise she may as well die,
I mean honestly thats fair, I do still think thats tunnel vision of its own with her not seeing the way out, but its not what I had in mind so I'll give you that. maybe she draws conclusions and then decides theres no alternative than that until proven otherwise.
I dont think she's AS dumb as people say but she's got some dumb in her and its endearing.

>>3827911
>I dont think she's AS dumb as people say but she's got some dumb in her and its endearing.
Oh yeah no, she's definitely got a bit of dumb in her, she's just not flat-out stupid.

>>3827915
I think the big issue is that she's written like she'll have an epiphany at the end and realize that what clover is doing is just like what kanako did, and for better or worse whether clover needed to die regardless or not, her not having that realization makes her a good deal dumber. Its honestly something I'm ok with people just rewriting without question.

>>3827918
Yeah, that's a bit dumb too, but meh. Shades of Justice did a decent rewrite of the true pacifist sacrifice scene though.

>>3827923
Im a fan of it honestly. I still dont think ceroba should be the one to agree first, but they made the scene much more meaninful in how it plays out.

>>3827926
I honestly think the best way to handle it, if we want the characters to behave more "realistically", would be to have the main cast outright refuse to let Clover give up their soul, only for Clover to make a sudden break for Asgore's castle while their friends are distracted, lose their soul to Asgore, and then come stumbling out of the castle to see their friends one last time before their body gives out.

>>3827929
I am still a big fan of "clover lives and we deal with the consequences" stories not intending to kickstart that argument or anything but that would be a good way to handle it. still very emotional but without needing the 3 to suddenly become super idiots to make it work alternative could be clover living with them for a day before deciding that he can't put this on them and then sneaking out. may be tough to fit in timewise but it feels like the gut punch is still strong there.

>>3827932
>clover living with them for a day before deciding that he can't put this on them and then sneaking out.
I kinda wanna see how the three of them would react to finding out that Clover snuck out and gave up their soul in the middle of the night. I can just imagine them all being shocked and horrified at finding the equivalent of a suicide note or something, or hearing Asgore make an announcement that the sixth human soul has been gathered recently.

>>3827941
now, imagine that scenario tied with "clover came back" after the barrier was broken. I dont mean to fish for angst but I think it comes naturally in this situation

>>3827942
>I dont mean to fish for angst but I think it comes naturally in this situation
I do. I'd love to see some angsty bullshit like this, sounds like a great time.
Also, if it was me, if I was the one who had to give up my soul in order to free monsterkind, and I got resurrected after all was said and done, I would probably be the smuggest bastard about it. Like, none of this would've been possible without what I did, so you can't really complain too hard about it.

>>3827946
I think it would probably be awkward for clover with his whole justice approach, while yes technically theres the "ok but I saved the day" part, clover would have left his friends with a lot of poorly resolved grief in that situation. Im not a fan of the uwu soft bean cries at everything type of writing for clover, but I'd expect him to have some guilt over leaving the main cast behind like that even if "it was the right thing to do". its one thing if he ran off right away to asgore but now he gave his friends the burden of "responsibility" by agreeing to go with them and then backing out. Even if they came to understand his decision that one would hurt in a very specific way

>>3827951
Oh yeah, it'd hurt a ton, there's no way they aren't all gonna be feeling way worse than they do after the end of true pacifist normally, but in the eyes of someone whose very soul is based on the foundation of justice, doing the right thing has to come first, even when it hurts. Perhaps especially so.

>>3827952
is it justice to do the right thing for the many by doing the wrong thing to the few? many would say yes obviously but ultimately those few didn't get justice the way they deserved and I think that would be a strong root of why clover might have guilt over it. he did the "right thing" ultimately but he hurt people that didn't deserve to be hurt in that process. that might be enough that clover wouldn't be the one to make first contact with his old friends again

>>3827953
>is it justice to do the right thing for the many by doing the wrong thing to the few?
The actual answer is that justice is entirely subjective and there's no real single way for it to be measured or enforced. A boring answer, I know, but that's the truth of the matter.
I agree that Clover would likely feel guilty over leaving their friends like that in the name of a higher cause, but their sacrifice did also earn them their freedom too, so it's not like they were *only* hurt by it. Disregarding the idea of resurrection, it was still the right thing to do, even if it hurt people they cared about. They got "justice", they just didn't get what they wanted by keeping Clover alive. Not getting what you want isn't necessarily an injustice, it's just a personal grievance.

>>3827953
to go further into it, I think this is the kind of story that would involve the cast finding out via 3rd party that clover is alive and seeking him out themselves. I can imagine some tension with clover holding onto the fact that "you all deserved to go free" with them rebuking, possibly individually or possible only a couple of them actually meeting this realization "and you deserved to grow up without having to pay for crimes that weren't yours, and more than that we wanted you happy with us". I dont think its the kind of story that ends on a sour note but that route does lend to a lot more angst on the way while not forcing the main 3 to have brain damage.

also as a side note, I think martlet thinking it was clover who killed her when flowey backstabs her shouldn't have been how every neutral route went. if you kept the violence under a certain level she shouldn't have said that.

>>3827959
>The actual answer is that justice is entirely subjective and there's no real single way for it to be measured or enforced. A boring answer, I know, but that's the truth of the matter.
while thats a reasonable answer, i'm not actually trying to answer it myself but rather contextualize clovers guilt and why the cast may be justified in challenging his feelings on the matter in this world.
>Not getting what you want isn't necessarily an injustice, it's just a personal grievance.
this is in context of a world where he agreed to stay with them and then snuck out the next day. putting that grief on them specifically would be an injustice. its one thing if he never agreed if he ran right away, he hurt them but he never promised them anything. In the situation where he goes to stay with them then changes his mind and decides the burden of hiding him is too great to put on his friends, maybe he was right but he essentially betrayed their trust and their hopes in that situation and decided what was best for them after making a different choice.
this is aside from the whole child suicide angle and taking it strictly at how they would feel thinking they were going to have a life ahead of them with clover and waking up the next morning to clover being dead essentially

>>3827964
>maybe he was right but he essentially betrayed their trust and their hopes in that situation and decided what was best for them after making a different choice.
This is typically referred to as a "necessary evil". While "evil" would definitely be a harsh word in this context, the general idea is that it's sometimes necessary to do a small bad thing in the name of accomplishing a greater good thing. In this case, emotionally hurting their friends by suddenly leaving them to go sacrifice themselves is a minor injustice compared to the emancipation of an entire race. A minor injustice committed in the name of a greater justice.
It's an injustice that they're all in that situation to begin with. The human-monster war should never have happened, monsterkind never should have been sealed underground, Asriel and Chara never should have died, the human souls never should have had to be harvested, etc. Monsterkind's imprisonment is an injustice, but it's not going to be made right without the souls to break the barrier. In this context, it takes an injustice to right another injustice.
Besides, if Clover's soul really is built around the concept of justice, I'm not too sure how happy they'd be in the first place, knowing they have the power to put monsterkind one step closer to freedom but choosing not to. That, and knowing that some other human's going to have to pay the piper if they don't.

>>3827974
>A minor injustice committed in the name of a greater justice.
I understand "what" it is but first of all I dont think clover would see it as a "minor" injustice because he cares about these people which means even moreso that it would weight upon him even if he would still ultimately do it. there are also those that believe that creating justice through injustice is not justice at all and I think martlet would probably be the one to hit him with that in this post story.
>knowing they have the power to put monsterkind one step closer to freedom but choosing not to.
while I know some are not very keen on clover living underground stories, one of the last (or was it the last) chapter of cover up the footprints has a very good way it addresses this in how it discusses that by dying now for one cause, you stop all of the good you could have created over the course of a long life.
I think clover would very understandably struggle dealing with this in a story where he came back, because things like "justice through injustice is no justice" and "the good you could have done" not being unheard of concepts. I still think its reasonable that he'd make the choice and defend his actions, but I think his friends would have him on the backfoot if they confronted him in this situation. honestly I think a lot of fanfiction obviously gets very hamfisted in its writing of clover staying underground but towards the end of cover up the footprints, while it does get very very sugary sweet for a bit, it goes into some really good stuff in front of chujins grave.

was clover in the right? maybe, but he also hurt people that didn't deserve to be hurt. was it for the greater good? yes but pursuit of the greater good is where we get "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". did it ultimately turn out well? yes but does that justify pure pragmatism? great things can be done with a pragmatic mindset, you can also march the whole world off a cliff metaphorically that way

>>3827959
>Not getting what you want isn't necessarily an injustice, it's just a personal grievance.
I'd argue there's no difference between the two, at least not at that level.
> it was still the right thing to do, even if it hurt people they cared about
I'd say those two things are fundamentally incompatible. Hurting those close to you for the sake of strangers is always wrong, no matter how many strangers it may be helping. That's more of a personal philosophy though, so Clover might not agree.

>>3827979
>Hurting those close to you for the sake of strangers is always wrong, no matter how many strangers it may be helping.
Well, you said that's a personal philosophy, so I won't go too hard on you over that, but what about billions of people? What if you had to hurt someone you knew, or else billions of people would die? Not even necessarily kill them, just hurt them somehow. Is that wrong? Sure, one person you care about is hurt, but billions of people are saved because of it. It's an extreme example, I know, but it is a valid counter to what you said.
Would it be right to let billions of people die, in the interest of not harming a single person that you happen to care about?

>>3827978
>>3827974
and really this is all why it ties into, I think clover would justifiably feel terribly guilty when he came back. he did the right thing by the greatest number of people why should he feel sad? because its human or maybe in this world monster and human like to feel agony over making people you care about suffer even if it was A. for their own good and B. for the greater good. I think it would also give the "advantage" to his friends when they confront him. Clover would defend his choices, but deep down he would still feel guilt because he didn't want his closest friends to suffer so much more because of him, after all thats what he sacrificed his soul to fight against! "everyone is happy now right?" maybe not clover, maybe clover needs to tangle with what he did, doing the right thing for the greater good could weigh on anyones heart. I think these are the kind of things that would come to light as his friends addressed him. how would he cope with it, if he said "I died for all of you, I died so you could all be happy" and they met him with "thats not what we wanted, that didn't make us happy. we saw the surface, but we never stopped thinking of you, of the life you could have led with us." Clover did justice to everyone but himself and his friends, and this story would be about reconciling that, and likely working towards moving past it.

>>3827978
>I dont think clover would see it as a "minor" injustice because he cares about these people
Well, it was obviously minor enough for them to insist on sacrificing themself in canon, so there's clearly an extent to which they consider the needs of others above their own needs or the desires of people they care about.
I think there'd definitely be some kind of rift between Clover and their friends in this context, and I imagine Clover would feel some remorse over what they did and how it hurt their friends, but I don't think Clover themself would have any doubt in their mind about it. If there's anything they know how to do, it's the right thing to do, even if it has a price. That's why they gave up their soul in the first place.

>>3827982
Depends on the extent of the harm and whether or not they're willing to go through with it. If it was grievous harm and they absolutely would not be able to handle it, then no, the entire world can burn. My duty is to those close to me, not to the world.

>>3827982
>What if you had to hurt someone you knew, or else billions of people would die?
theres multiple people talking but for me, it depends on if my choice would be traced back to us (because if people knew what we did then they would rightly pursue revenge and it would all become pointless).
if its just hurt them? I would do it and depending on how badly I hurt them I would feel guilty over it because regardless of how "right" it was, they didn't deserve that pain. if it was kill the person I care about? the whole world can burn before I'll do that. the whole world doesn't deserve to burn but neither do my loved ones and I'll pick the ones I love first every time.

I'm not some yellow soul person here, so I can understand that clover would likely choose to save the greater number of people but that doesn't mean that decision doesn't come with a weight that would have a rightful place in a confrontation between everyone.

unrelated but why did he feel the need to off himself right there, they still only had six souls

>>3827979
>I'd argue there's no difference between the two, at least not at that level.
Really? A handful of people not getting to try (likely in vain, but we already had that argument) and keep Clover alive is an injustice in the same way that an entire species being wrongfully imprisoned is an injustice?
There absolutely is a difference between injustice and not getting what you want, even if what you want is (theoretically) harmless. You can't always get what you want, and being hurt by that isn't necessarily a moral issue, it's just a personal one.

>>3827986
>Well, it was obviously minor enough for them to insist on sacrificing themself in canon
this is a very different situation from "I agree to live my life underground with you SIKE I snuck out in the middle of the night without confronting you". I think you keep dragging this away from that because thats the whole linchpin of this that justifies that this would be a weight on clover and rightly so. There is a dynamic of trust that is being betrayed here. telling them "I will live underground with you" puts the burden of responsibility for protecting him on them (this is not a bad thing) and ties them together as a family. when he suddenly breaks that after agreeing to it and then goes and gets himself killed because he afterwards decided he was being too selfish and that he needed to sacrifice his soul now, that has created a new dynamic.

>>3827986
I don't know if Clover and the UTY cast would be the right characters for it (in fact they probably wouldn't), but the idea of character sacrificing himself for the sake of everyone, leaving his friends behind in the process, only for him to come back somehow later, then for his friends to refuse him because of a hatred they'd developed for him over how much his sacrifice hurt them would be really interesting.

>>3827989
its not stated directly so I think people assume that its because protecting clover would be dangerous (I dont think it actually would be due to how incompetent most of the royal guard is but thats its own conversation) and so he just cuts to the chase. realistically though it was to force another ending to fit with cannon instead of adding another non cannon or ambiguous ending.

>>3827993
>then for his friends to refuse him because of a hatred they'd developed for him over how much his sacrifice hurt them would be really interesting.
I dont think thats how this would end in clovers situation honestly. I think it would lead to a confrontation, probably some genuine angst before they reconciled but this isn't something that would just go away without them addressing it

>>3827986
also I dont think a "necessary" evil is always going to be a minor one which, betraying the trust of the people closest to you is up there since relationships are founded foremost on trust. I think we get enough indication in the game that clover cares about these people that this wouldn't be a decision he's going to be problem free with.

I was chasing a shadow

>>3827991
>when he suddenly breaks that after agreeing to it and then goes and gets himself killed because he afterwards decided he was being too selfish and that he needed to sacrifice his soul now, that has created a new dynamic.
It does change the context of things, yes, but what I'm saying is that, as a justice soul, Clover would probably view their choice as the right one, and even though they might feel a certain amount of remorse over rugpulling their friends like that, they'd still see it as just collateral for freeing monsterkind. What I'm saying is, I think they'd be sorry about their friends being hurt emotionally like that, but they absolutely wouldn't regret what they did or see it as wrong. I believe that in their eyes, they did what they had to do in order to bring justice to the greatest amount of people who needed it the most, even if that meant hurting a few people they personally cared about. It's not a clean victory, but it's justice. Clover themself seems to be fairly pragmatic about it when they do it in canon, it's not some teary-eyed sacrifice or Tenth Doctor style meltdown when they realize what needs to be done, they just understand the situation and act according to their philosophy. It's still technically an emotionally driven choice, they come to their conclusion based on what their friends have said throughout their journey, but at the end of the day, they're pretty cold about the whole thing.
I think the way a confrontation between a resurrected Clover and their friends (in this context) would go would be something like their friends being relieved that Clover's alive, as well as angry that they just ran off on them like that, while Clover doesn't see what they did as wrong in the slightest, even though they understand how their friends were hurt by it.

>>3827990
>There absolutely is a difference between injustice and not getting what you want, even if what you want is (theoretically) harmless.
Being denied something you're owed or being betrayed are both horrible injustices. Abandoning your friends, even if its for their own good, is both.
>You can't always get what you want, and being hurt by that isn't necessarily a moral issue, it's just a personal one.
Hurting someone who cares about you is a moral issue. I'd argue its bigger than the fate of a nebulous concept like a race.
> A handful of people not getting to try (likely in vain, but we already had that argument) and keep Clover alive is an injustice in the same way that an entire species being wrongfully imprisoned is an injustice?
The people who are close to you and care about you matter infinitely more than strangers who don't even know you exist. So their needs and issues should always come first.

>>3828001
I disagree wholeheartedly because there are multiple views of justice, and coming to see just how he hurt his friends would make him wish he had given it some more thought.
>they did what they had to do in order to bring justice to the greatest amount of people who needed it the most
and getting to reflect on that more since he's a justice soul, he could also ponder on if injustice to the few is ok. isn't justice supposed to protect those that aren't part of the many? isn't it supposed to take into consider those that everything else left by the wayside? I'd say thats a strong yes but its understandable if you disagree.
> Clover themself seems to be fairly pragmatic about it when they do it in canon
they are also a child that thought about it for about 15 seconds that we witness on screen before making a decision. they genuinely take a quick moment to think on it.
>while Clover doesn't see what they did as wrong in the slightest, even though they understand how their friends were hurt by it
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here. being that he's a justice soul, he may outwardly point to the greater justice, but knowing that he failed the few in order to save the many means that justice failed in some way that day.
Justice for all is an extremely valid way that a "justice soul" person could think, and I believe that the conversation with his friends would show him that he failed to give justice to them, but he also failed to give justice to himself. it would be the start of a life where he could learn that maybe sacrificing himself for others isn't what justice is supposed to be.

I comprehend where you are coming from but I simply can not reconcile the view of clover having no regrets when he learns of how those around him were hurt. I'm still fine continuing the conversation but I think at its core we have a different belief on what constitutes "good" justice.

>>3827995
That's why I said Clover and the UTY cast probably wouldn't be right for it. It'd have to be somebody that really values loyalty and can't handle betrayal. Maybe something Susie would do if the sacrificial lamb theory turns out to be true.

>>3828008
ah gotcha, I thought it was suggesting that I meant martlet and clover wouldnt come to terms for instance.

>>3828004
>Being denied something you're owed
Clover doesn't *owe* them anything, not even their sacrifice. After everything they've been through, especially towards the end of pacifist, Clover doesn't *owe* them jack shit, especially given how hard each of them (except Martlet, I guess) has tried to kill them, especially Ceroba.
Betraying their trust by running off in this context could considered an injustice, but it's being done in the name of the greater justice of freeing monsterkind, which includes the friends they'd be hurting with this, so it's not like they're *only* receiving an injustice from all this.
>isn't justice supposed to protect those that aren't part of the many? isn't it supposed to take into consider those that everything else left by the wayside? I'd say thats a strong yes but its understandable if you disagree.
There's a difference between a material injustice and an emotional injustice. Sure, Clover's friends would be hurt by their sacrifice, but they're still left in the same material situation as everyone who benefits from it, which is being freed from the underground and getting to exist in peace on the surface. Compare that to if Clover's sacrifice doesn't happen, where Clover's friends might be happy, but everyone else is still trapped down in the underground, waiting to see what happens when the next human comes around. In the first situation, Clover's friends aren't "left by the wayside", they get to enjoy their freedom like everyone else does, they're just missing their friend and slightly hurt from them running away.
Perhaps still an injustice, but how does that compare to freedom? Justice can't account for everything, there are lots of times where one person getting justice means that someone else takes the fall. That doesn't mean justice wasn't still attained, it just means that justice is sometimes lopsided.

>>3828006
>failed the few in order to save the many means that justice failed in some way that day.
Clover didn't "fail" their friends in this context, they just didn't do what they wanted, those are different things. It's not a failure of justice that their friends would be hurt by this, it's just collateral damage. There's no such thing as a clean victory like this, people are going to be hurt one way or another. Even in the original UT's happy ending, the freeing of monsterkind could be considered a great justice, but what about the aftermath? What about what happens next, the potential tension between humans and monsters flaring up again after monsters are reintroduced to modern human society, the inherent problems that come with different sentient species with different strengths and weaknesses existing on the same planet, the ramifications of the six human souls, etc? There are tons of problems, tons of potential injustices that come with breaking the barrier, does that mean that breaking the barrier is an injustice? Should it not have been done?
Justice didn't "fail" in UT or in this UTY context, the fact of the matter is simply that justice isn't a concept that can cleanly be applied like that.
Some people are going to be hurt by these decisions, breaking the barrier and Clover's sacrifice, but that doesn't mean they didn't receive justice, even if they were hurt by it.

>>3828011
>Clover doesn't *owe* them anything
By becoming their friend and developing an emotional attachment, he has made an oath of loyalty to them even if he hasn't ever said it vocally. So he owes them himself and his friendship, which he can't give if he's dead.
>which includes the friends they'd be hurting with this, so it's not like they're *only* receiving an injustice from all this
If they can't ever enjoy it knowing Clover died to give it to them, then all they received is injustice.
>isn't justice supposed to protect those that aren't part of the many? isn't it supposed to take into consider those that everything else left by the wayside? I'd say thats a strong yes but its understandable if you disagree.
you're replying to two different people.

>>3828011
> but they're still left in the same material situation as everyone who benefits from it
emotional suffering is known to cause physiological symptoms in humans. im not buying any suggestion that its not the same for monsters who are made of fucking magic. yeah they are getting out by the hurt of a betrayal like that is one I think you want to minimize when its not a small deal. I also dont think clover would compartmentalize justice as "these justices are ok to break while these are not".
>they get to enjoy their freedom
its interesting how much art and writing is made of them coping with clovers death with the route we DID get. I think that comes from a very natural place in our psychology and how we deal with grief, and it likely would be the same with monsters by all reason.
>slightly hurt
alright yeah you're just minimizing others points. You've got this idea in your head of what clover would do and thats fine, but I dont think there's anything productive to be discussed from there. All I can really add is on the statement of
>there are lots of times where one person getting justice means that someone else takes the fall.
if the situation was clover was fine but someone else was having to take that fall then clover wouldnt stand by that. theres not a chance that he would just say "thats ok its only one person" A law bringer exists to fight those kind of injustices. Clover is failing to give himself justice because instead of justice he's just being self sacrificial which I think was actually what that old art that came up with negative counterparts some years ago for the soul traits called justices negative side. in this situation can you really tell me that clover would be ok with the one person sacrificing themselves if it wasn't him?

>>3828001
Personally I feel Clover would feel regret about emotionally devastating their friends, especially with Martlet, since no matter what, she has a level of influence over Clover, and her choices and actions, as well as or state of being will also affect Clover.
I feel like Clover being all about Justice is prepared to make hard choices, even if they don't like them, and even if they know it will hurt people.
I'm fairly certain if someone like Martlet confronted Clover about what he did, and how it affected her, once everyone's all said and done, he'd probably bawl his eyes out and hug her tightly, from having to deal with the trauma.

>>3828015
>Clover didn't "fail" their friends in this context,
he absolutely did because he lied to them and brought them greater suffering. this is a failing and its only "not" a failing if you handwave it away and just insist that it isn't when the truth is if he hadn't formed a bond of trust with them they wouldn't be suffering in this particular way. he failed them, and he failed to grand himself justice.

>>3828015
>Should it not have been done?
The canon answer is that true pacifist is the happy ending ending and you're supposed to handwave away all those hard questions since they get in the way of the story and its themes.

If you want to get nit picky and ignore the narrative intent of the story, then yes, the monsters staying underground is the only way for the two races to coexist. Putting them together would lead to one destroying the other due to soul powers.

From a moral standing. The freedom of monsters was not worth the death of 7 innocent children (counting Asriel). Unless you take up the utilitarian position, in which case concepts like justice are irrelevant.

>>3828019
I think this is a feasible approach. It wouldnt be a month long guilt session but while martlet has self confidence issues at times, she has a touch of the justice tism herself and would probably push herself to confront the situation if she learned that clover was alive but hadn't come to see any of them. Plus, clover is once again, a kid. even if it was the right thing he did, carrying the weight of the worlds sins is a lot for a kid to handle. I dont think clover is some uwu soft bean but thats a reasonable point to break down and show some emotion over.

>>3828016
>By becoming their friend and developing an emotional attachment, he has made an oath of loyalty to them even if he hasn't ever said it vocally.
Clover does indeed have some attachment to them, but that doesn't take priority over the freedom of monsterkind, not in their eyes. And again, Clover still doesn't *owe* them anything. Starlo seemed to be making friends with Clover, only to turn around and try his damndest to kill them in cold blood in the name of repairing his own reputation. Clover forgave him, but they didn't owe him that, and they certainly didn't owe him anything else past that. Most normal people (aka, non-undertale protagonists) would've told Starlo to get out of their sight and never come back, or just killed him in self defense.
Ceroba acts like she's your friend all throughout the steamworks, only for it to be revealed that she was just using you for her own purposes and planned to kill you all along. Clover *can* choose to forgive her, but again, they absolutely don't owe her anything after all that. Clover's choices are their own, and after how much the main cast tries to hurt Clover throughout the game, is it really so much of an injustice for Clover to run away and give up their soul for *their friends* freedom? If anyone's on the receiving end of an injustice here, it's Clover, not their friends. Their friends tried to kill them in the first place.

Make a thread already before this discussion floods this thread

>>3828028
Yeah, okay.

>>3828027
I think we just have a fundamental conflict of values here. I think once an attachment has been made, even if it undeserved, it becomes a duty that you must uphold at all costs. So someone is your friend, even if they're an asshole, the fact that you view them as your friend means you owe them yourself.

>>3828027
>Clover still doesn't *owe* them anything.
by agreeing to live with them yes he is explicitly entering into a relationship of trust.
he didn't owe them forgiving them over their past encounters but that doesn't make it right if he then enters into a relationship of trust by his own decision and then betrays that. if anything it may make it worse because now the people he forgave may have the level of guilt of thinking their past actions must have meant that clover didn't feel safe with them and decided to die anyways. by agreeing and then sneaking off he is actively doing harm that he is implying he wont do by virtue of what he agreed to. relationships are full of ups and downs but thats a whole new level, not just a "little thing". Clover didn't have to forgive ceroba but once he did theres something implicit there. if he forgave her and then went back changed his mind and shot her in the head he would now have done wrong. yes ceroba did wrong first but clover is about justice and if he determined that justice was letting her live then if he took that back when her guard is down thats double jeopardy, thats passing a new judgement after the court is adjourned and we have laws against that! he didn't owe them making this promise but once he does, by breaking it he is still causing harm he didn't have to and thats not something that would sit well with someone who finds justice so important.

>>3828033
I think there is a limit but thats just because setting boundaries is important in relationships. I just felt that was important to interject when you say "owe them yourself"

>>3828033
>So someone is your friend, even if they're an asshole, the fact that you view them as your friend means you owe them yourself.
I feel like there is at least a very minor difference between "being an asshole" and "trying to actually kill you for entirely selfish reasons". I have friends who are assholes, and they're still my friends, but if my best friend came up and tried to murder me for his own personal benefit, I wouldn't have too many reservations about killing him in self defense, and I certainly wouldn't forgive him if we somehow both survived.

Hey guys, I made a UTY thread!
Have at it, and have fun!

>>>/v/718267360

>>3827422
Bigger blush, one of them leans towards the other, hug, and perhaps a french kiss.
Or just make it more like that one kris kissing ralsei or kissing susie sprite animation

>>3828036
this does take place after the attempts to kill and reconciliation though. if you decide to forge that bond after that kind of conflict and lets be honest guys getting into fights and then being friends is an age old trope then there is still the possibility to betray and that would still be an injustice.o

>>3828040
Oops, I just made one myself.
Welp, survival of the fittest.
>>>/v/718267442

I shall wait until someone posts in one before choosing! I do not want to start a bump war when we've been so good about not flooding the board

>>3828034
>thats passing a new judgement after the court is adjourned and we have laws against that!
>implying legality and justice are the same thing

>>3827867
>a post I saw a long while ago where someone described how they thought the nine mercenaries from TF2 viewed gun safety, and they described the Scout as "having been raised by a woman who thinks a tall enough shelf is a safe place to keep a loaded gun around a child."
Can you show that post?

>>3828040
Yeah I'm going with this thread.
Seems like a safe bet, as the last one of this kind went very well.

>>3827877
The intelligence thing also makes sense considering that chujin is smart as fuck and is the only known kitsune with a tail

>>3828035
There's boundaries and part of being a good friend is respecting them. Its also possible to end friendships, but you shouldn't hurt people whom you still consider to be your friends.
>>3828036
Fair enough, but then you no longer view him as a friend. Undertale works on anime logic. Which means that Clover becomes best friends with them a few minutes after they tried to kill him. At that point he views them as his friends, so he has a duty to them.

>>3828047
changing your judgement on someone because you've changed your mind is not justice. it is fickle, unsteady and pathetic. we want justice to be firm in its rulings and by saying that on a whim the court can change its mind and drag you back in you are removing the theoretical integrity of the justice system. Also
>implying you have an argument

>>3828042
> if you decide to forge that bond after that kind of conflict and lets be honest guys getting into fights and then being friends is an age old trope then there is still the possibility to betray and that would still be an injustice.o
The problem with that is that for every main cast member except Martlet, they were "friends" first before they fought, which was a betrayal of trust. Starlo's all buddy buddy with Clover in the wild east for a while, and then he turns around and tries to kill you next. Ceroba acts like a caring party member throughout the steamworks, but in actuality she was just manipulating you the whole time and planned to kill you from the start. The building of trust came first, and *then* it was broken. Contrast that with the original UT, where most of the characters you make nice with try to kill you *first*, and only become friends with you after that.
Even if Clover forgives them after the fact, that doesn't change the fact that the initial foundation of trust was still broken by their friends first, and they don't necessarily owe them a second chance after that, even if they initially agree to letting them hide them away, they're allowed to change their mind or even play the long game about it as a ruse.

>>3828053
>There's boundaries and part of being a good friend is respecting them. Its also possible to end friendships, but you shouldn't hurt people whom you still consider to be your friend
thats very true, I was only pointing that out over the wording of "owe them yourself". I think on the whole I agree with you

>>3828049
Yeah, fair.
The other thread'll exist as a backup I guess, in case the current main one gets jannie'd after all.

>>3827953
It is justice, theres a point where you have to acknowledge that you cant please everyone, so you either do the wrong thing to the few for the greater good, or you screw the majority over because of those few, so either way, something goes wrong, thus, the most just thing to do is do the lesser evil to prevent the greater evil from happening

>>3828055
>which was a betrayal of trust.
yes, it sure was and clover had a chance to punish them for it. if he chose not to then he needs to live with that decision. going back and talking with someone after you've decided you forgave them is one thing, but forgiving them and forming that bond anew, and then going back and deciding that its ok to betray them doesn't make your failing correct. you've simply dealt injustice instead of using your judgement do be just.
>Even if Clover forgives them after the fact, that doesn't change the fact that the initial foundation of trust was still broken by their friends first
it actually changes things a lot, because clover did not have to forgive them and was in a position to not do so and chose to do so anyways. by doing that you go back into the relationship, you know that they have broken your trust once before so that makes it harder for them to gain it back, but if you break their trust then you are not suddenly justified.

>>3828058
were those majority owed clovers life? were they owed the sorrow of clovers friends? absolutely not, but if they get justice then that may be justice for them, but its absolutely still injustice to those who it directly hurt. if what you say is true then the lesser evil is still injustice even if it was absolutely necessary

>>3828059
>clover did not have to forgive them and was in a position to not do so and chose to do so anyways. by doing that you go back into the relationship
Forgiving someone's wrongdoing doesn't mean things go back to the way they were before, it means you just don't hold it against them. I can forgive someone who's done something terrible to me without necessarily wanting that person to still be part of my life, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

>>3828063
yes which is why I said "its harder for them to get your trust back". but its also still wholly incorrect for you to them betray them. tit for tat, eye of an eye, when relationships are built this way its terrible unhealthy and harms everyone involved. just because they betrayed clover, if he decide to let them back into his life it doesn't mean he gets a free pass to betray them. That is not justice. if he wanted to inflict something upon them then it should have been before giving them another chance.

>>3828061 >>3828065
The real answer is that no one was ultimately owed anything, and that Clover's choice to sacrifice themself is an injustice to themselves and themselves alone, even in this context.
If you hurt someone for selfish reasons, even if they forgive you, they aren't obligated to remain in your life, and that's more or less the center of this argument. Clover was the one giving up their life for the sake of a bunch of people who tried very hard to kill them mere hours before, that's the only injustice present here.
Even if Clover vocally agreed to stay with them and then proceeded to go back on that decision, that's their decision. Their "friends" tried to kill them after building up an initial foundation of trust, and even if Clover forgives them for that initially, Clover opting to leave their lives and sacrifice themself isn't a "betrayal".
>if he wanted to inflict something upon them then it should have been before giving them another chance.
That's not what it's about, I'm saying that's not a factor here. I assume Clover wouldn't be doing this to intentionally hurt them in this context, and is still just doing it for the same reasons they sacrificed themself in canon, and if that's the case, the feelings of the main cast are secondary to the more important matter of breaking the barrier. It's not a betrayal, it's not a personal matter at all, it's just collateral. Justice is still served, it just stings sometimes.

Alright, let's take this over to the /v/ thread, let's quit dirtying up this thread.

I once had a weird dream about the pacifist ending.
Clover lives through it, and ASGORE let him live in Snowdin/Dunes because collecting the soul is not yet critical and the fact that the humans will come back after the Barrier is broken is known. So Clover waited for the next human to fall, trying to convince them to give up their soul so they can all go home without drawing blood.
Royal Guard!Clover was not on my dream checklist but here we are.

>>3828058
I don't think utilitarian ethics count as justice.

>>3828070
>Clover opting to leave their lives and sacrifice themself isn't a "betrayal".
it absolutely is a betrayal when they directly expressed that they wont do that by agreeing to live with them. setting up someones expectations and then disregarding that is a betrayal. I'm going to go ahead and just post in the /v/ thread for now but I absolutely think its about what is set in place when you set expectations with someone. Plus martlet didn't deserve that. she fought clover but we know from her first genocide route fight first of all that she wasn't giving it her all by any means, and that she's the one that called off the fight.

revival underfell august update
https://gamejolt.com/p/august-2025-tkmt4rqm

>>3827425
Hey guys, i want to draw that one clover aiming with his gun to the left's sprite here but its hard to do from memory, can anybody help?

>>3828075
Its more just than screwing over the majority, at least

>AI niggers in the /v/ thread
christ, why cant they just stick to their general?

>fangame idea that i keep obsessing about
>zero art skills
>zero music skills
rip

Are we gonna do another thread if this one dies before morning? It's already at 417 replies.

just finished yellow and yellow+red back to back
man, what a ride
but i'm still hungry for more

>>3828243
>but i'm still hungry for more
Well, you could always check out Shades of Justice if you want a sort of fan remaster of UTY. There's also mods like Flawed Vengeance which alter the genocide route to include some stuff that a lot of people wish was in the genocide route, if you want that.

>>3828243
There is Deltarune Yellow on gamejolt, its being developed by one of our anons, you can play it right now but you might want to wait until DRY1anon releases his next update that will revamp chapter 1

>>3828251
>you might want to wait until DRY1anon releases his next update that will revamp chapter 1
How long would it take?

>>3828312
We don't know but aparently its going to take a few months

>>3828313
Just like RIBBIT it's better to play it now then. Alright thanks for answering

>>3828221
If it reaches the limit, I'll make another one, with same title and everything, since it seems work very well. Incredibly well in fact.

>>3828317
don't push your luck buddy

>>3828317
stop. doing that same thread over and over and over is just going to give jannies an actual reason to nuke our threads.

So, I want to start making my own fangame and right now I'm brainstorming a lot of the central ideas while also working on the basis of the gameplay. The core concept overall is fairly simple: It's a Touhou fangame done in the style of Deltarune. Aka: While the gameplay is based on Deltarune, and there are some similarities in the story, the actual story is pretty much all Touhou. It takes place in Gensokyo, all of the characters are from Touhou, and even the themes and story are generally Touhou. At the same time the gameplay is pretty much all Deltarune, being a RPG/Bullet Hell hybrid with pacifist/violent options and a lot of secrets.

>>3828372
Gameplay wise, like I said above, the main idea is overwhelmingly to copy Deltarune. The main difference being that I intend to have a maximum of 4 party members and 5 maximum enemies. I also intend to divide armor into accessories and body armor, rather than just having two armor slots. Still, at least some of the fights will obviously take quite a bit of inspiration from Touhou though, up to and including using actual Touhou bullet patterns when appropriate. I'm currently looking at using game maker, though I am also considering other engines to actually make the game.

>>3828373
The basic story synopsis is fairly simple: You play as a young human villager, largely customizable(Unlike Deltarune that is NOT a rug pull) but always with the same background: When you were a baby your parents died in a fire, and you were taken in by the Kyuby family as a servant. A group of very rich and very influential merchants who functionally run a decent chunk of the human village. You grew up there alongside their two sons, being very close your entire life, until the oldest son, Kyubi Hiro, perished under mysterious circumstances. You, for reasons nobody in the human village really understands, were blamed for this and kicked out of the mansion(Though you were given a small shack and an education by Keine). Since then, you have been trying to become a Youkai exterminator. Unfortunately for you, you are generally weak and powerless. Almost nobody believes you'll actually be able to pass the test to turn into a Youkai exterminator. With the likes of Keine, who is otherwise very supportive, even believing you are simply doing this to throw your life away. Only your childhood friend, heir apparent to the Kyubi family and would be Onmyōji, Shiso has any faith in you to succeed. It soon becomes apparent however, as you meet a young Youkai named Aiko, that there is a far greater problem facing both Gensokyo and you than simply your future career as Youkai exterminator.

>>3828374
Overall, thematically, a lot of the story is about stuff I, and I think mostly I, find interesting about Touhou. The questionable morality of the characters and setting, the nature of Gensokyo as a refuge for an era that has long since passed, the nature of youkai as memetic creatures, and just what it would be like to live as a human villager. It's also somewhat born out of my own frustration with much of the Touhou fandom and the way they approach the setting and characters (Or, to be more precise, don't in my eyes) as well as Touhou as a whole. Still, I do largely intend it to be a positive and not mean spirited love letter to Touhou rather than a cynical takedown. Even if there is an option to burn Gensokyo down to the ground. On that note...

>>3828376
Similar to Deltarune being filled with secrets, even if many of them are currently unknown in their overall purpose, I intend for my fangame to have at least two: There will be secret bosses, they will be way harder than normal bosses, they will drop rewards, and those rewards will have some effect on the story. There is also the yōtō route, which is largely the equivalent of the genocide/weird route... sort off. It largely consists of finding a way to kill Youkai, this not being something that is ordinarily easily done, and then having to decide to use it or not. This decision will, unsurprisingly, have major consequences for the story and can potentially even open up an entirely different ending.

>>3828243
How is Yellow + Red?

>>3828372
Oh yeah I recognize you, you still haven't started it yet? It sounded interesting already from your previous posts, so im looking forward to it

>>3828384
its a must-play if you've played yellow imo, it gives closure on kanako and clover, chara and clover are fun, plus there's a bunch of new shit like an option for guaranteed fun events, some new locations and callbacks, new visuals and the devs are working on visiting locations from yellow at some point
it's very good for a fresh playthrough of regular undertale

>>3828391
if this convinces you to give it a roll, there's a submod that replaces the shitty portraits for chara and clover with ones that match the style
>https://gamebanana.com/mods/574166

>>3828384
>>3828391
nta but just to add, clover's not exactly written super accurately which i think takes away from the idea
plus the devs didn't even really bother with genocide interactions, clover fucks off and chara goes back to acting like it's the vanilla game

>>3828396
they updated that very recently actually, though i haven't seen the changes for myself

>>3828397
>they updated that very recently actually
nta, updated what? clover's writing or the geno interactions?

>>3828399
came out 20 days ago

>>3828218
You don't need art skills to do Undertale sprites, and you can always use existing music. You don't have to be skilled or talented to make an Undertale fangame, all you have to be is willing to put a lot of work into it.

>>3828317
Bad idea. Same op is prime "reason: no generals outside of /vg/" bait.

>>3828391
Do you mean Red and Yellow? I was under the impression it absolutely butchered Clover's character for the sake of Cocopowder shipping.

>>3828386
>Oh yeah I recognize you, you still haven't started it yet?
I'm starting to look into engines and the like. Mostly done with brainstorming outside of one really big issue I do need to look at(Should I make the Youkai protagonist a original character or should I make it Medicine melancholy?) and actually writing down a clear play by play for chapter 1.

>>3828373
That image makes me want to see a Twinkle Star Sprites/PoFV for Undertale. Imagine dodging attacks and grazing for TP, then spending it to ACT (in real time while dodging) and send boss patterns to the other player

>>3828317
>>3828364
>>3828367
>>3828424
I've seen all kinds of people say this and that, and what ends up working turns out to be the simple solution.
Everyone was saying this anon making a thread named Undertale Yellow would get name and it didn't, in fact it reached the post limit,
Them they made another one, and it reached the post limit again even quicker than the last time.
I think you guys are overthinking things, cause whatever happens, a simple thread with a normal image seems to working just fine.
Honestly I don't luck has anything to do with it. Just make a normal thread, with a normal opening.
To whatever anons making the threads, if you feel like opening another go ahead. Cause it's clearly working and inviting more discussion that these threads usually get.

>>3826800 (OP)
Would 4chan’s hypothetical character ranking of the main UTY characters go like

1. Ceroba
2. Martlet
3. Kanako (I’ll count her)
[POWER GAP]
4. Clover
[POWER GAP]
5. Chujin
6. Starlo
[POWER GAP]
7. Axis
8. Dalv

>>3828532
Pretty sure Martlet's ahead of Ceroba.
Outside of furry bait, Martlet is regarded as a better character than Ceroba.
Not to mention regardless of the route Martlet and Clover's fates are always heavily intertwined.
I'm saying this as someone who actually likes Ceroba.

>>3828532
I'm pretty sure Martlet's first.

>>3828533
>>3828532
if nothing else I think martlet is more popular here, but on the wider fanbase It may be ceroba

>>3828535
Even outside of here, between Martlet and Ceroba, people have preferred Martlet.
Being a fox monster character makes Ceroba prime furry art material, but generally I've seen people like Martlet more.

>>3828535
ceroba number one

>>3828532
Martlet's definitely number 1.
Funny enough Kanako could be argued as number 2, since people have been able to characterise her into a more likeable individual.

>>3828532
If we got by furry bait then Ceroba, in everything else Martlet would be number 1.
Zenith mogs them all though.

>>3828532
>Clover is 4th
GunHat canonically win against all of them, Genocide counterparts included.

>>3828544
I dont think this is a power ranking.

>>3828532
What exactly is this ranking based of?
Likeability? Then Martlet would be number 1.
Power? Then Clover would be number 1, since he's beaten all of them.
Attractiveness? Zenith Martlet by a large country mile.

>>3828546
Regular Martlet is the only one that can even hope to compete with her alternate form.

>>3828532
Martlet would be at the top here.

>>3828546
Popularity of the characters only on 4chan, so how well liked they are here

>>3828532
I can't think of any time people have brought up Axis here, but I can think of times where Dalv was brought up negatively so that makes sense I guess. What brings starlo down under chujin though? He's a fun character and the wild east felt like when the game picked up in a lot of ways. I know chujin gets talked about a lot but its a lot of "what he would have done if things had gone differently" which people feel about Starlo not getting a special geno fight.

>>3828559
I could be underestimating Starlo like I did with Martlet, but Chujin gets points over Starlo for being a Ketsukane as well as being a fox anthro (furbait). Maybe it’s anecdotal, but I see Chujin get discussed more here than Starlo too

Seems like all the Kanaclover people here are more for Cerojin too

>>3828561
maybe people just kind of like starlo but he doesn't inspire people to write like some of the other characters do. I at least can't think of many people that actively dislike starlo, and he's not kicked to the wayside like some other characters are. Maybe chujin is a more "interesting" idea even if people like Starlo. honestly while axis has some wonky dialogue, it feels like there should be another powergap between him and dalv with how much of a non entity dalv is that the only people who care about him are gay shippers, and here those people would pick other characters over him even.

>>3828532
>>3828563
The devs said it themselves in the artbook. Starlo came out perfect. There's not much to say other than that he was robbed in genocide due to the dev cycle. Looking at earlier /v/ threads was a better judge of his presence. Same with axis.

>>3828571
that adds up then, I was very late to the party with this game so that also explains why I have like 3 bits of starlo art max. Was reception to axis good? some of his dialogue falls very flat, but there were also a few moments I was caught off guard and laughed. in fact I dont have a single image of axis it looks like

So are we doing a thread today or not?

>>3828573
we already did >>3828040
unless you want to make another one

>>3828574
I'm just trying to find out whether or not we're going to have another one for scheduling purposes.

>>3828574
I believe the anon was going to make another soon, because the last reached the limit quite quickly, as to keep the momentum.

>>3828530
we know how the jannies work
you dont.

>>3828582
>>3828530
To be fair, both of the threads that were made by the anon, people said would get nuked by the jannies, and they didn't.
So they're obviously doing something right, whatever it may be.

>>3828583
luck.
anon got lucky.
if he keeps doing that shit someone's going to start targeting the /v/ threads for being a general.

>>3828585
I do think using the exact same image and opener each time will make it come across as a general. just having normal threads and not too often might be the ticket. maybe the mods really just have a specific autism for regular undertale and when they recognize the thread is uty they dont consider it the same since we really do only have a couple threads a week

>>3828587
I agree. Just simply having a thread called Undertale Yellow with the Undertale Yellow logo does the trick.
No weird images, or anything, just a normal thread, to go into.

>>3828572
axis reception was regarded as based but him blowing integrity's head off overshadowed it heavily
his section in geno is my favorite personally outside of bosses

>>3828592
I think using the exact same logo image every time will make it start looking like a general. maybe just a normal image but stating what the thread is. not that the hayden threads didn't get a laugh out of me. I could be wrong but I feel like if theres another thread today just pick a different image with no attempt to hide it?

>>3828592
>>3828596
for fucks sake, just have an UTY related image and ask an undertale yellow related question.
make sure UTY or undertale yellow is somewhere in the op so it hits highlight filters, preferably not the subject since it'll look more like a general with us already having that once today.

>>3828600
thats basically what Im saying anon, dont have a cow.
have a bird instead

>>3828592
>>3828596
Funny enough just having a blatantly obvious thread that's not trying to hide anything is the most successful thread.
So maybe that's probably the way to go moving forward.

>>3828572
Axis has some of the best jokes of the game (and falls flat otherwise) but like that other anon said, the integrity is just too cool to not eclipse everything else about him

New Undertale Yellow Thread as been made!
>>>/v/718351551

>>3828632
that op seems kinda bad, lets see how long it lasts

>>3828632
anon are you trying to get us banned off of /v/? serious question.

>>3828635
Anon who made the previous threads. Yeah this is someone else lol.
I was going to make another thread with the same opening image and everything but, I guess someone decided to strike first.
Welp I hope the thread goes well.

>>3828559
I think Axis is a solid take on that type of character, but there's not much to discuss about him and his design doesn't lead to good fanart.

>>3828571
>There's not much to say other than that he was robbed in genocide due to the dev cycle.
what happened?

>>3828676
NTA, but basically from what I've heard, the story went through a lot of iterating during development, and that lead to Ceroba becoming more important later on than she was initially intended to be, and meaning Starlo was left without much going on. I'm told Ceroba wasn't originally going to be the pacifist final boss, but I'm not really sure how that'd affect Starlo at all though.

>>3828676
>>3828681
so dev cycle according to them (its on their anniversary stream, right around genoroba) had them say
>ok so in the normal route starlo is the boss here (they dont have the ending in mind yet)
>so like, in the genocide route? lets have it be ceroba instead since she didnt get anything, to like to switch it up
>ceroba ends up being written as the pacifist boss
basically if they planned it out from the start, starlo wouldve had a geno fight here and roba wouldve gotten something else
they didnt mention the feisty four iirc

Looks like the current /v/ thread is doing well.

>>3828532
I like Axis a lot, at the very least he shouldn't be in the same breath as Dalv
Dalv should be three power gaps below everyone else

>>3828690
Why did they refuse to rewrite anything??? Its at least vaguely understandable with the dark ruins and flowey since the uty demo had them already implemented and the devs felt forced to keep them intact to avoid making the final version too different from the demo (even through nobody wouldve minded bigger changes to the dark ruins), but why couldnt they rewrite shit from out of the demo area? Did they create all of the dunes first without any interactions in there, decided to create the feisty five, and thought "hmm, how do we add interactions for them with the player? Oh, i know! Lets cram a lot of filler bullshit at the tailend of the wild east area right before starlo's fight!" and went along with it instead of adding interactions for each feisty five member across all of the dunes???? Like god forbid the devs from thinking back to anything that was there before the current room they programmed or something like that??

To the anons who said the doe threads were filled with autism...You were 100 percent right, the shit im seeing there is grim.

>>3828840
It happens.

>>3828840
these things, they happen

>>3828840
Happen, these things do.

>>3828840
Shit happens.

>>3828840
Happens, the shit does

>>3828840
'appens.

>>3828840
'appening

>>3828840
It just happens.

>>3828840
Happens

>>3828840
Things just happen sometimes.

>>3828840
Sometimes, things just happen

>>3828840
thingchads are happenmaxxing.

>>3828840
Happenmaxxing, the things chads are doing

>>3828840
.sneppah tI

>>3828880
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>>3828881
Yeah, alright.
I was running out of inventory space anyway.

>wasting almost 20 posts on an unfunny meme

>>3828840
I think the devs had tunnel vision and just wanted to get shit done, which might be why they never revised the dark ruins when it is one of the areas that really needed a 2nd pass

>>3828969
>I think the devs had tunnel vision and just wanted to get shit done
I mean, you do need to have that to some extent to create a finished game.

>>3828980
true but for UTY it felt like they did it a bit too much

>>3828243
You should replay Yellow with the mod that makes the game playable.
https://gamebanana.com/mods/596991

>>3828884
lol

>>3828969
>wasting almost 20 posts on an unfunny meme
it happens sometimes

>>3829116
Wish there was a mod that gave Ceroba a big fluffy tail

>>3828969
Trying too hard to get everything polished is 30% of why Deltarune is taking too long.
I do think some aspects could have used a little more time, but it wasn't unreasonable for them to just finish it as it was, specially considering this is a non-profit, fanmade game.

>>3829188
But that would ruin the roba stupid headcanon though

>>3828884
kek'd

>>3829196
You can call the mod slightly smarter roba. The only things its changes are giving her a tail and some dialogue during the Kanako flashback.

>>3829219
Sounds like a good idea, someone should make it. It would be really simple to do.

Reposting here, but do you think this image from Twitter is correct? Was Martlet making poor excuses?

>>3829255
and once again she was completely right, it was just very odd delivery and timing. There should have been more emotion or assertion for her to not come off as "I mean you know most car accidents happen with seatbelts on" in front of the car wreck.

>>3829255
The game has really weird justifications for a lot of characters actions, so yeah.

Welp, that was a good one. Good work everyone.

>>3829262
That certainly was an interesting ending for the thread

>>3829264
I've seen worse.

>>3829265
I mean, we went from cringing at Shu to wanting to see him getting disrespected in the worst ways possibles

To the guy who gave me the request "DRY1 Martlet zonked out after a long day", I'm going to assume "zonked out" means tired/passed out, and proceed accordingly. You have sometime within the next several hours to correct me on that if I'm wrong before the idea gets locked in.

>>3829262
Unfortunate that roll posts keep getting deleted.
Would it be better to catbox them in the future?

>>3829267
>disrespected in the worst ways possibles
I consider that an improvement.
Also
>possibles
>picrel

>>3829269
Eh, maybe. Then again, if you save it for the very end of the thread, most people'll have the chance to roll before it gets deleted anyway.

>>3829272
Idk, it all just feels too mean spirited.

>>3829276
>Idk, it all just feels too mean spirited.
Yes, that's because we were being mean to him.

>>3829278
I know, I'm saying it feels like too much. I see people talking about that kind of stuff and it just makes me think about Chris Chan and all the shit that came from people poking the lolcow. The way I see it, the best thing you can do for them is watch and laugh, not mess with them.

>>3829279
In all seriousness, it's fine as long as it stays here. I sincerely doubt anyone from that subreddit would venture out into these threads or the ones on /v/, especially someone who would make something like Shu in the first place.
As long as we don't start mistaking ourself for kiwi farms, it's fine.

>>3829279
>Chris Chan
Alright, Chris Chan was pretty messed up even before he caught the internet's attention.
Also, whoever's responsible for making Shu doesn't quite strike me as that kinda deal. A bit cringy, sure, but CWC is on an entirely other level.
He's got a self-insert, and sure he's making comics about him, but at least he probably isn't doing all the real life shit CWC was up to.
Hopefully.

>>>/v/718434573
(Replying here since the thread died)
>Not saying it shouldn't be a titan's eye, just that you should keep in mind it can be whatever you want it to be.
I mainly called it that since that's what it is in the official game. In this context, it's emblematic of the dark world since we see it in chapter 1's cliffs region, which is why I think it fits Ralsei.
Also, I didn't intend my sketch to be the "official" symbol on his shirt. I'm just thinking the sprite could intentionally be open to interpretation as to what the symbol is, and what I drew was one way to see both the eye and the flame

>Maybe she's still an asshole, but she's nice to Kris because she's decided he's cool, while she's still an asshole bully to everyone else.
I like it. One of my inspirations for my take on Susie is how >>3827229 conceptualised Melody, and I think your idea could work in tandem.

>>3829280
I know, but anon's were talking specifically about taking it out of here, which would be past the line into kiwi farms territory.

>>3829290
You could still give the eye some sort of schizo meaning, its just a different one from the one in DR. Like its introduced with a puzzle which has "only eyes blinded by darkness may see the way" as its hint. Maybe this could be some sort of motto or creed and the eye is the insignia of this group or ideology Maybe it could even have something to do with Gaster.

>>3829219
The mod description should be the "kitsunes having tails represents their intelligence" thing and the mod should simply have kanako jabbing herself with the serum

>>3829299
how funny would it be if shortly after this hypothetical mod got pushed out the shu guy made an OC with nine tails

>>3829300
>Shu walks down to the costume shop to buy 8 fake tails

>>3829299
More like "its a commonly known fact that the number of a ktsune's tails are directly proportional to their intelligence"

>>3829300
You assume he has the decency to stop at nine, and not come up with some reason for his oc to be even smarter and have *ten* tails, making them the smartest kitsune ever.

What is this guy schizoing about in the anatomically consistent martlet mod comments?

>>3829327
either a brainless coomer trying to be witty about "boobs good", or a modern puritan trying to be witty about "boobs bad"

>>3829268
That is correct

>>3829255
Martlet was in the right, it was just how it was worded.
In that specific scenario it wasn't a monster trying to make friends with Clover to get to know them.
It was a monster genuinely making an attempt on his life, and leaving him no with no other option but to fight if he wants to live.

why did someone make a new thread? >>>/v/718475827

>>3829255
The flawed pacifist ending is probably the most well-written scene in the whole game, all the characters are acting purely on emotion, Starlo is mad because his best friend just died in front of him and he's not interested in hearing excuses and Martlet is very much doing the same thing in defense of Clover. Yellow's writing strength is it's willingness to be true to the human condition and how people really behave.

>>3827425
>>>/v/718447578
>the cringe reddit OC line just keeps growing
GOD FUCKING DAMN

>>3829655
Ah yes, the cringe conga line.
Wait, is that that fucking snake guy from Ninjago?

>>3829663
No, its an snake girl OC made by some redditor

>>3829663
its probably just someone's snake monster OC.
honestly i think its kinda funny how much this all comes across as parasitic.
the rest of it is actually UTY with the exception of some furfag's gigantic unfinished protogen... and then there's this one guy that drew ALL of the shu OCs there. they just stick out so badly.

>>3829667
Yeah, someone should try and erase them, leave only the actual UTY stuff.

>>3829674
i would but the site's jannies are EXTREMELY ban happy if you draw over or erase pride stuff.
>lebo flag heart
>the one OC with tranny flag colors
i'd be asking for it.

>>3829676
>the one OC with tranny flag colors
Alright, call me color blind, but I don't see anything like that in that image.
Maybe you'd have some plausible deniability.

>>3829679
the unfinished one to the left of [clover's dad OC]
if you look close you can see a streak of white in the tail.

>>3829683
Oh, that thing? Well, I don't see any pink, so strictly speaking as long as you were to kill it before it got that far, maybe you'd have some leeway.

>>3829684
huh that actually is just light gray.
still looks like an abomination though.

>>3829685
Sounds like it's fair game then.
Problem is, I'm guessing you can't just erase stuff, eh?
You'd have to pave over it with something.
Really though, for stuff that sticks out like that, you should just be able to trash it all.

>>3829687
yeah has to be with something else, but despite the "you can erase political flags" rule the jannies are extra anal about pride flags, some people have gotten banned just for building near them, so that little heart is the killer here.

>>3829655
>>3829676
What's funny is that the character with the lesbian flag heart (the one with the red kimono) is one of Shufag OCs, the fox with the purple hair is someone else's OC and aparrently Shufag hasn't draw any of his characters on Wplace, so this is just some redditor shpping his OC with someone else's OC

>>3829691
Eh, just pave around it. There'll be a few hearts left floating around, but everything else can go.

>>3829694
i'll probably just call the conga line out for not being undertale yellow, but i need to wait two hours for pixels to recharge.

>>3829691
yeah the big issue i've heard from /v/ threads is people getting banned for undoing trans flag vandalism of their art, which needless to say is pretty shitty
makes me wish pixelplanet had a map with a similar scale, god knows it'd be much better

Honestly, the only reason people are taking this so seriously is because it's lasted as long as it has.
There's a reason r/place ended after a few days, it means people don't get too attached to anything.

>>3829655
Did they turn that Kanaclover drawing into a Kanako x OC drawing?

>>3829721
i dont think it started as a kanaclover drawing, given that half of that heart is yellow im willing to assume its some kind of autistic "shu used his SUPER MAGIC and turned clover into a fox!"

>>3829725
I remember there being a Kanaclover drawing that looked like that one around that area before.

thats fair, yeah?
not rude or meanspirited in the slightest, but just a gentle jab and reminder that the OC line is off topic for the pile.

>>3829705
>pixelplanet
I haven’t heard of this so I went there and it seems to have the same problem as wplace just in the ring wing direction instead of the left wing one like wplace.

Why the fuck is every comic author on the UTY subreddit a legit schizo or suicidal?

>>3829797
Mental illness is extremely common these days.

>>3829797
What the hell's happening now?

>>3829797
They’re teenagers being overdramatic.

>>3829803
Cuck comic rape porn guy recently claimed he almost took his life two weeks ago and was saved by some other subreddit user. He probably had some drama about the rape shit since it's gone now and is trying to resolve it

>>3829809
Ah, I see.
People really got made about that animation then, huh? Shame, hope nothing bad happens to the guy.
I saw on his account that guy made some post about some drama from being associated with some guy called "death_birb", any idea what that's about?

>>3829815
>death_birb
That guy made art for an AU in which Chujin "replaces" Ceroba with Kanako after Ceroba dies, some of his drawings for the AU had implied abuse but nothing graphic was actually shown, the entire AU was fucked up and presented as such
Eventually a redditor saw this and started calling birb a pedo and saying that he drew CP (when he didn't event draw anything actually NSFW), after the drama Birb was banned from the subreddit and they didn't even give him a chance to explain anything, I know all of this because Birb made a post on his reddit profile explaining his side of the story
Its really worrying how redditors act like drawings are the same thing as actual child porn

>>3829819
BTW the entire AU was posted on Tumblr on a +18 page so its not even that he was posting the thing on the subreddit

>>3829819
Ah, alright.
So basically, the subreddit's going after a few people because they made art they didn't like, and because some people were vaguely affiliated with people who made art they didn't like.
>AU in which Chujin "replaces" Ceroba with Kanako after Ceroba dies
Does the AU itself have any NSFW art for it? I don't wanna see it, I'm just wondering if maybe this is a guilt by association thing.

>>3829815
I don't think the guy should end his life, but he is no different from the poly comic guy. Every one of these people need to get their mental illnesses out of their place filled with teenagers. I would take a 100 Shu comics if it meant that these groomercord members would fuck off

>>3829822
>but he is no different from the poly comic guy.
I mean, they were both creating those comics for pretty different reasons. Haishin doesn't actually contain any real explicit content, it's mostly focused on the story's events and characters. That poly comic was just 100% retaliatory weird bullshit, with some barely disguised cuck fetish stuff thrown in there, based on the dialogue and spritework.

>>3829821
As far as I know, no. it was only implied, there were no NSFW drawings and none of them were erotic in tone either
>the subreddit's going after a few people because they made art they didn't like
The part that pisses me off the most is how they treated Birb like a groomer and as if he had actually made CP, not being able to separate reality from fiction is a serious problem in that subreddit

>>3829824
You have to be that guy’s friend or the comic author himself if you think a cuck comic made by a suicidal rape abortion fetishist isn’t a barely disguised fetish as well

>>3829826
Look, people can have weird ass fetishes and make things that are entirely separate at the same time, it's not unheard of. The reason I draw a distinction between Haishin and whatever the other comic was called is because of the tonal differences and general approach to the subject matter. In Haishin, Chujin discovers Ceroba cheating on him with Starlo. Chujin's response is to immediately beat the shit out of Starlo and promptly kick Ceroba out of his house, which feels like a pretty grounded and appropriate response for the world and context of the situation. In that other comic, Ceroba tells Chujin that she got drunk and made out with Starlo, only for Chujin to randomly bring up the idea of having an open marriage despite himself not being attracted to Starlo all for the sake of making Ceroba happy, and then Chujin blushes and looks away when Ceroba kisses Starlo again at the end of the comic after again saying that he's just doing it to make Ceroba happy, and then Ceroba has a weird speech about being able to get anything she wants.
That is a fucking night and day difference. Haishin is telling a story about the fallout of Ceroba cheating on Chujin, that other comic is entirely oriented around the weird cuckshit. They are nowhere near the same thing.

>>3829819
>That guy made art for an AU in which Chujin "replaces" Ceroba with Kanako after Ceroba dies
>>3829826
>cuck comic made by a suicidal rape abortion fetishist
Redditors make shit like this and we make DRY and Return To Form and yet somehow we’re evil and the “bad side” of the fandom.

>>3829836
Eh, there's a bit of everything on all sides.

>>3829836
I never read return to form, it just seems like some standard post pacifist AU?

what i dont like about shu is less shu himself, but more that reddit is parading around a literal "COLDSTEEL THE EDGEHOG" oc.

>more reddit talk even though an actual fangame demo come out recently
we are stuck in this hell forever

>>3829853
to be fair that demo is the integrity fangame that looks rushed to hell and back.
im not particularly interested.

>>3829848
>>3829836
>return to form
I was wondering how come I hadn't seen this and then
>monster clover
how unfortunate

>>3829853
Sorry I like consooming drama content

So wait, is Haishin made by the guy that made that Ceroba rape comic? Is this the same guy that made that comic where Chujin replaces Ceroba with Kanako? Or are these three different people?

>>3829848
Exactly it’s normal and not disgusting
>>3829861
There’s a good explanation as to why he’s a monster, Flowey only had a little power left from when he had the souls and the 6 bodies were rotten so he had to improvise.
>>3829869
Haishin and Ceroba rape are by the same guy, third one is by a different guy.

>>3829873
I understand if theres a good reason but I still dont like it. I'll give it a shot because I think i've just about run out of stuff to read but im not happy about it.

>>3829849
I like Shu. Both because I find Coldsteel OCs to be hilarious, but also because I remember the time in my life where I was like that. Just playing around with characters for fun, not really thinking of things like character arcs or writing quality.

I think the motivation behind Shu is the same motivation that a lot of authors here have. They liked Undertale Yellow, but were left deeply unsatisfied by the ending, and wanted so desperately to fix it so that everyone could be happy and alive. People here write fics and work on mods, trying to find a natural and believable way to right those wrongs, but the person behind Shu in all likelihood is a kid. So he doesn't know how or why to do all those things. So instead he just makes up a super powerful cool monster guy that comes in to save everybody. He's literally billed as "Clover's competent protector". The whole thing kind of reminds me of that edit of Emergence someone made where Josuke shows up and fixes the girl at the end.

Of course there's a large element of self indulgence too, him shipping his OC with Roba, but we all do a little of that too. We just either use one of the existing characters or do it as Anon.

Because of that, I can't bring myself to hate him. I find it all endearing. The only thing I hope is that he learns to be a better writer so he can turn his mary sue into a decent character.

>>3829873
>Haishin and Ceroba rape are by the same guy, third one is by a different guy.
Considering those details, I think the guy is a fetishist, who has a fetish for suffering and misery. He made it because of the pleasure and fascination he derives from watching characters suffer.

I don't think the guy deserves to be banned from the internet or lynched, but I can understand banning his comics from what's supposed to be a SFW and non-edgy forum.

I also think its fine if you still artistic merit in it despite that. There are plenty of works made by feitishists, which were heavily colored by their fetishism, which still had plenty of artistic merit.

I just think saying its not literal misery fetish art is a bit silly.

To try and turn discussion away from a a shitty reddit oc, any other fangames of note?

I got around to reading the artbook as I'm trying to learn how to draw martlet, there's not as much art of each of the characters seperately as I expected. that said seeing the stuff from the guy that did the zenith martlet mockup and some of her other art really explains why that transformation sequence was so breathtaking. he voices the amount of passion you have to expect from how that all looked. Zenith martlet in general astounds me how it doesn't come off as just some edgelord oc but instead just looks amazing. I know im just gushing over bird here but seriously the design is peak

>>3829890
>but I can understand banning his comics from what's supposed to be a SFW and non-edgy forum.
Oh, did the guy get banned?

>>3829890
ntayrt but I agree

>>3829890
>I don't think the guy deserves to be banned from the internet or lynched, but I can understand banning his comics from what's supposed to be a SFW and non-edgy forum.
To be completely honest, I think the UTY subreddit's well past that at this point, I've seen multiple comics with pixelated gore and brutality there by now, the place's filled with edgy shit and has been for a while. I really don't see why a comic covering the topic of cheating is really too far beyond the pale at this point.
Also, the guy (to my knowledge) only made the one porn animation of that nature, so it still seems a little unfair to paint his other works as secretly being the same thing. If he has some alternate account somewhere filled with that sorta thing, *then* you might have a better point.

>>3829901
I thought people said he was banned. I don't know for sure since I don't use reddit.
>>3829903
I'd say the fact that he made one of those is enough to show that he's clearly getting off to it. You don't make that kind of stuff on accident.

>>3829906
>I'd say the fact that he made one of those is enough to show that he's clearly getting off to it. You don't make that kind of stuff on accident.
Yeah, getting off to *that*, but the Haishin comic just isn't the same kinda thing as that. It's not even really as miserable, with the latest entry being pretty tame as far as emotional stuff goes. I'm not even arguing he doesn't have a misery fetish, I'm just arguing that that isn't the point of the comic. A person can get off to something in one context and treat it normally in another, it's all about the context itself.

>>3829908
I don't think they can, even if they try to. Some part of him is enjoying because of fetishism, and that fetishism is coloring his work. He likely never even would've had the idea to begin with if not for the misery fetish.

Anyways. This appears to have gotten to the "Yes it is. No it isn't." Stage of arguing, so it'd probably be better if we just agreed to disagree for the sake of not needlessly moving the thread closer to the bump limit with pointless arguments.

>>3829910
>I don't think they can, even if they try to. Some part of him is enjoying because of fetishism, and that fetishism is coloring his work. He likely never even would've had the idea to begin with if not for the misery fetish.
That kinda just depends on an individual's own handle on their fetish, but whatever. Maybe it's a part of it, but I don't agree with the idea that it's the main point, in the same sense that Hideo Kojima's various fetishes have a way of making their way into his work, but I wouldn't classify his games as fetish games because of that. Even if he is really weird about it.
Anyway, yeah, agree to disagree.

>>3829797
Because theyre either average redditors or trans redditors

>>3829836
They can excuse cuckshit, a bajillion fetish pics and harassing & bullying people over sfw comics, but having two youngsters who are around the same age be together is too much for them apparently

>>3829873
>There’s a good explanation as to why he’s a monster, Flowey only had a little power left from when he had the souls and the 6 bodies were rotten so he had to improvise.
Now i wanna see monster integrity walking around the underground and seeing how theyre like (while also getting criticized for "cosplaying as the murderous human") and then trying to make amends with dalv, who apologizes for attacking her first, maybe monster cody hanging out with undyne too

>>3829890
>I think the guy is a fetishist, who has a fetish for suffering and misery. He made it because of the pleasure and fascination he derives from watching characters suffer.
Its called sadism, and its not a fetish nor kink per say, its simply an actual thing we have

>>3829933
>while also getting criticized for "cosplaying as the murderous human"
If Frisk can do it while actually being a human, I don't think too many monsters would care if another monster was dressed as that human.

>>3829935
There's sadism, and then there's specifically the kind of the thing that motivates people to beat off to emergence. Its a specific kind of sadism, which I would call a fetish.

>>3829936
Frisk still looks like chara even with the tutu, meanwhile monster integrity would simply look a lot like her human form because she'd still look like herself but with monster characteristics

>>3829937
So sexual sadism? Its similar, but not quite a fetish

>>3829937
You can be a sadist without getting off to it. In fact, it's also possible to be a sadist for particular kinds of suffering while disliking other kinds. There's an axis to these sorts of things, it's nuanced. I myself like certain things about BDSM, but I abhor rape and I consider there to be certain ethical limits on certain things. Nuance.

Soon(TM)
Why is this murderous cat so fat?

>>3830358
What is this for?

>>3830374
Oh right, forgot to change the filename.
https://xcancel.com/UndertaleWldfre/status/1957953787299262697#m

updated image of the UTY wplace spot
>more not-undertale-yellow OCs
>the redditors erased >>3829758 with EVEN FUCKING MORE ocs
28 reddit OCs by my count, excluding that one person who's just selfshipping with starlo.

>>3830420
Burn 'em all to the ground.

>>3830431
i simply did the reasonable thing and made it even longer by spelling out undertale yellow instead of erase it, so to erase it even more pixels have to be wasted.
wonder if the redditors realize that putting their OCs next to actual game characters in a drawpile meant to be exclusively for the game actually reflects really poorly on the game to random passerby.

>>3830420
>kanaclover is gone
what a disgrace

>>3830435
especially when 90% of them look like shit
i mean honestly, just make a fucking undertale OCs drawpile instead if you're THAT desperate for people to see your recolored ceroba OC

>>3830438
there's no rule against simply drawing over something.
i'll need a lot more pixel capacity, but i could "correct" it all in huge chunks and turn everybody into the conga line into an UTY character.

>>3830435
That spot was organised by the UTY reddit, the board about the game in which half the posts are not about the game. If OCs are all they ever talk about, I can't say I'm surprised their wplace section is half OCs.

>>3830439
That could work, assuming they don't start actively working against you as you do it.

>>3830444
thats the point of saving up pixel capacity, rather than an active real time overwrite fight, it becomes more of a "do you have the patience to keep overwriting it?"

>>3830439
>>3830444
It could work if you level up a lot so you have enough pixels to erase it all on one swift clean motion

I've been thinking about this green from a while back. Is Cole intended to be the body, the soul, or both here? It reads like Cole is the body and the soul provides his sense of morals, but in the original UTY I was under the impression he was both.
I'm """taking inspiration""" from this in my fan project, and I'm trying to get the details right in a way that makes sense.

>>3830489
Cole/Clover is the body, despite being a controlled protagonist, he has a lot of control over his own body and is capable of responding to the characters' words by pulling up a dialogue option, he can attack and move his arms on the overworld during a cutscene to a degree, as he cant move solely on his own unless he's on the genocide run, where he gets to do a lot of shit on his own (as seen when he enters steamworks), clover basically doesnt struggle much with the player, and he usually goes along with what the soul/player wants him to do or say, but if clover REALLY wants to do something on his own, he simply manipulates the dialogue options and rig them to his liking (like how you cant directly say "no, i want to go fight asgore" to martlet)

>>3829893
Deltarune Yellow, naturally.
We had Undertale Promise delivers its demo less than a week ago.
IIRC a few of the Oranges got their demos too, no? Almost sure Naranja or Wildfire had a little playable bit.
That's all I can remember.

>>3830494
im probably going to try the promise demo later.
really not hopeful because everything i've seen about it screams "rushed to hell and back" like they're only doing this to try and be the next big fangame.

felt like making a little OC before going to sleep, here are some sketches of my OC Serif, Starlo for scale

>>3830551
fat fuck skeleton
I like him, is he like Sans/Papyrus long lost cousin? he is an skeleton and his name is related to fonts

>>3830552
Technically a font skeleton but no relation to any of the canon font skeletons.

Hey, if that guy who requested I draw Cole in his dark world outfit in the rdr2 title pose is still here, did you also want the rest of the title too? Like, "Deltarune Yellow" in the style of the rdr2 title and all? If so, should I put a "2" in the title also? I forgot which DRY take this was, so I don't know if I should add the 2.
Speak sometime within the next few hours or forever hold your peace.

>>3830551
Animal skeleton chads stay winning

>>3830556
I also imagined a mermaid font skeleton called Arial
Should she have a fish skull?

>>3830557
Do what you think is best

>>3830557
dolphin skulls look smug so give her one so she can be a little shit

>>3830555
You can add the tittle if you want, and this take is the one from DRY1, DRY2 Cole has a different color palette

>>3830551
Interesting! Inspired by Mari Lwyd perhaps?

>>3830565
Alright, thanks.

>>3830491
Yeah, I see it similarly to how you describe in that there is no concept of a diegetic "player" in UTY. Clover's soul and body are one in the same, with the soul accurately described as "the culmination of one's being". Any choices a player has are those which the character would realistically consider (hence why we can't refuse Martlet's offer, since Clover wouldn't want to). I aim to go for more or less the same in my game.
But the concept of the body acting against the soul's will due to a cognitive desync of sorts is still a concept I want to explore. Not sure if I'd specifically make it due to differing LVs like in the green, but something of the sort.

Deltarune popularity is nearing peak UT imo.

Well, looks like the subreddit's in flames over that weary guy being banned.

>>3830588
If its an older clover story, you could make it a "the soul's will doesnt match the current present-day body's will due to the protag growing up."
Or it could be a bpd/multiple personality disorder thing/etc.
Or maybe there are noticeable effects on someone's body when the player remains for too long which makes clover fight back, especially as they notice how some of the choices theyve made without much care started to feel off lately, and not in a "im being too mean" way, but that it doesnt seem like they wouldve chosen it so casually no matter how natural it feels to them

>>3830631
It doesn't have anything to do with Clover. But thank you for the suggestions, you've got me thinking of ways to combine some of your ideas to fit the story.

>>3830622
All of this could have been prevented if that guy just posted all of that on an anonymous account. Also, the guy is suicidal. He should get help from real world professionals instead of continuing to make degen content

>>3830622
reddit gonna reddit i guess

used to be doepilled, but now im yellowpilled
feels good

>>3830721
One can be both

>>3830727
and set myself up for the inevitable lesbian third wheel disappointment? nah
im after that fox pussy bruh

>>3830622
>banned for someone else posting his art on the discord
The only thing this tells me is that reddit and 4chan mods aren’t so different.
Both are powertripping faggots who bend the rules to ban users whenever they can get away with it.

>>3830729
>and set myself up for the inevitable lesbian third wheel disappointment?
If you honestly believe Toby is gonna pull a Alphys/Undyne again then I question your media literacy. More so when a huge part of Deltarune has been toby self-criticising his previous works
I do hate the fact that a lot of discussion has been boiled down to faggy shipwars when I doubt thats ever going to be the focus.

>>3830776
>I question your media literacy.
The post started so well, but you just couldn't help but signal that you have cultural schizophrenia, could you?

>>3830776
I think he isn't going to make a canon ship at all. He'll just leave it all ambiguous or unresolved.

>>3830778
NTA but the term is irrelevant.

the OC conga line is growing into a whole ass mountain, fucking christ.
>>3830441
yeah, but you'd think they'd at least have the intelligence to say "hey, this isnt undertale yellow. we should make our own place a bit to the left"

>>3830840
>more redditslop than actual stuff from the game
lol

>>3830852
fuckin hell yeah, its only looks different at a glance because the actual yellow things are bigger and more spaced out.
wonder if there's another UTY cluster somewhere thats not controlled by redditors and their OC spam.
wonder if there's any DRY somewhere on the map.

>>3830778
My cultural schizophrenia told me he'd make Susie/Noelle a wholesome nuance-less relationship (one that doesn't get calls for domestic violence) all the way back in Chapter 1 when Noelle asked to get chalk with Susie, and so far I've been right on the money, with very few signs of this changing.

>>3830904
>soijak spamming kiddie
>fails to comprehend basic plot threads
yep, checks out.
since the sweepstakes its been "noelle only likes her own personal headcanon of susie and not the real susie" and thats only gotten stronger with 3+4, given that the entirety of the holiday house sequence was noelle trying to push her susie headcanon onto the real susie.

>>3830917
Not that anon and that's my interpretation too but I think by being in a thread that evolved from UTY you should be keenly aware of the risks you take by assuming the author is intentionally setting up something good and not accidentally hinting at it when they really intend to do the bad and boring thing all along. Toby absolutely could fuck this up and make it an uwu lesbian romance played straight

>have resorted to reading fics to satisfy my craving for more yellow
shattered decade is pretty good, any other standouts?

Oldentale anon, I've been thinking a bit about your Wolfenstein-esque mapping idea. The "4d array" thing sounds nice and simple (ie. easy to code). The most important thing when developing (at least with solo projects) is using what you're comfortable with, so if this meshes well with your workflow go for it.

That said, I think dividing the tiles into subtiles for additional precision is unnecessary. It'll be more complicated to write out and could potentially be worse on performance due to the additional checks needed. Most games just go for something "close enough" for these reasons. I think doing things on the macro scale like MMBN would be fine.

Also, since the other anon brought up Tiled: it's a nice utility to facilitate mapping (I'd probably use it in my project), but it does save things in XML or JSON and thus you'll need a parser to process the data. FreeBASIC's external libraries index shows a couple libraries for both, so you should have some options.

Your idea of just mapping through plaintext files is also perfectly fine: some friends of mine did this in a college project, and it worked very well for them. It may also be arguably simpler to work with. You will have to write both the implementation and the parser yourself, but that might be easier than figuring out how Tiled does things

>>3830943
someone from here is writing partners and its been really good so far. I'm getting to the tail end where I'm digging through stories I already dropped early on to find anything that improves. the bottom of the barrel isn't pretty so far

>>3830917
I get that, and it would be an interesting plotline, but I don't have faith in Toby that he's going to prioritize good storytelling over queer representation, especially not in 2016+9.
Also my 'jaks are awesome, fuck you :)

>>3830944
I'll keep that information in mind. Though including external libraries is something I have to be cautious about. I'm counting Kilbytes here to keep things under 1.44MB, and I've already gotten up to 122KB with just the graphics library. I'm gonna need at least half of the disk space for WAV samples and bitmap sprites.

>>3830952
>Also my 'jaks are awesome, fuck you :)
>'jaks
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong image board, the sharty is two pages down

>>3830956
Don't know why you think you can stop me from posting whatever I want on MY image board. I think I should make some 'jaks of other Yellow characters, I think they'd get the appreciation they deserve.

>>3830971
>I think they'd get the appreciation they deserve.
Nta, but I don't think anyone who uses the 'jak" in connection to things they create is going to get any kind of appreciation here.

>>3830971
anon you are talking about spamming ELQ template images in a thread full of actual creators.
the only thing you're going to get is a dozen and a half fuck off's

>>3830840
at first i thought this was going to be a plant OC but this is somehow even more ridiculous than shu.

>>3830976
Looks more like a Bleach arrancar OC than a UT human OC.

>>3830943
return to form is pretty good if you want more kanaclover

>>3830978
worse, its a soul fusion at best but probably a half human.

>>3830943
Return to Form, Partners, Birdbrained.

>>3830917
The exchange that followed between you and the wojak shitter is why you should never, ever give one of them a (You). Their only goal in life is to make others miserable and by giving them attention you encourage them to do it more. Never acknowledge wojakposters, just ignore them, hide their posts, maybe filter them if you can.

>>3831001
>soul fusion
>half human
Holy shit, it is an arrancar

Crack theory anon, you should include Gyftrot Carol.

>>3830863
>spoiler
Well there's about to be.

>>3831039
jesus christ anon what in the actual fuck were you thinking?
you dont advertise our presence to the outside world, ESPECIALLY to a bunch of redditors
i erased it but please for the love of god think next time.

>>3831047
-1 Masquerade points

>>3831047
>>3831039
just once, can you dipshits use your brains

>>3831047
change it to /v/

>>3831054
no! we have threads there too.
you dont advertise a niche 4chan community to the outside world, thats how you completely fucking destroy it.

>>3831054
No, change it to /vg/, itd be funny

>>3831056
You know what, yeah, that would be funny. Do that instead.

>>3831056
... do you really want DRY to be associated with /vg/?

>>3831058
maybe just put DRY instead

>>3831062
someone help fill this in

>>3831047
>implying the threads aren't just becoming a reddit oc circlejerk anyways

>>3831066
Oh please, anon. We're so much more intellectual than them. Here we circle about cringing at reddit OCs.

Apparently the undertale promise fangame railroads you into pacifist for some fucking reason, like wtf?? a reset literally happens at the demo's final battle so why even bother force the player to spare em all??? At least let me kill toriel or something since its gonna get reset anyways

>>3831070
because the fanbase will always make pacifist the "one true ending"
blame toby for all the stuff he did in UT (which he might be trying to undo in DR)

>>3831070
The curse of being a prequel. Besides, most people only play pacifist, so few notice the issue.
In-universe, I imagine it's because you can't write funny adventures with Chibinako if Integrity is a serial killer.

>>3831071
Its weird because genocide is the only definitive ending in Undertale. Everything else is open ended because of your ability to reset.
>>3831072
>In-universe, I imagine it's because you can't write funny adventures with Chibinako if Integrity is a serial killer.
You totally could. You just gotta make it dark comedy instead of light hearted.

>>3831072
They could just have an optional neutral route (since there are a massive lack of random encounters anyways so the lack of geno routes pre-reset is justified) where kanako immediately fucks off and you get some encounters, the unwinnable battle at the end of the demo can still happen and since the geno run is gonna start in act 2 (which starts after the reset and end of the demo, according to the main dev), this wouldnt interfere with the dev's dear lore and would allow for more replayability in this railroad-y act 1

>>3831022
Lmfao I forgot about that. I wasn't planning to, but I'll think about it. Maybe.
At the very least, there will definitely be at least some kind of allusion to it.

>>3831078
You could have her be in the game, but he a much more minor role. Just a background NPC like Rudy.

>>3831070
>the one soul fangame where genocide can reasonably be written as the canon outcome
>trying to make it canon compliant with yellow, given dalv and kanako's appearance...
>writing integrity as a dindu and giving the player no option to do genocide
holy fucking shit lmao. how did they get it so wrong?

>>3831079
Oh, Carol is planned to be in the game. Just not as a Gyftrot.
I certainly want to at least reference the idea now that you've reminded me about it, though.

>>3831082
If you're planning on using that Margaret Thatcher Grinch design, please reconsider. The canon looks is so ugly, and Gyftrot Carol is so cool.

>>3831070
To be fair, UTY was kinda retarded with how it expected me to go for neutral on first walkthrough even though they knew I have experience playing UT and will likely beeline for Pacifist.

>>3831082
Please oh please make her and Dess humans.

>>3831094
These ideas could coexist. Dess could be an adopted human, while Carol is a gyftrot.

>>3831094
>>3831102
>dess and carol swap between their regular appearances, humans, gyftrots, the knight, and the Margaret thatcher grinch design every time they're on screen.
>this is actually randomized
>even if one's just standing in place, if you leave the room they'll be different when you enter again
>the one condition that they cant roll the same form if they're both present and cant roll the same form twice in a row
>this is also never commented on.

>>3831104
I think it'd be better as a fun value thing. So half the players think Carol is a gyftrot when they play, the other half think she's a human when they play. The only thing they can agree on is that Carol and Dess aren't the same species.

>>3831080
What happens in the game is: forced pacifist in act 1, get assblasted by a bunch of royal guards so the human ragequits the route and resets on her own, genocide in act 2 but you can do some unspecified shit for a non canon pacifist run, dev hasnt said anything about neutral atm
So the genocide run still happens in a way, but i do agree with the other anon that the railroading is retarded and the game could potentially work without it

>>3831082
Make the gyftrot carol npc a separate character who isnt the real carol and she just happens to look like carol, sort of like those old "mystery man turns out to be a doctor on the hometown hospital" takes

>>3831113
Lame. I want Rudy to be pounding a gyftrot that's twice his size.

>>3831114
the truth comes out: anon is just horny for gyftrots!

>>3831121
No, its specifically that dynamic that I like. Normal guy, huge monster GF.

>>3831125
>normal guy
The anthro reindeer with a christmas fetish is normal?

>>3831131
He's normal by the standards of the universe, and normal by comparison. He's just a regular furry, while Gyftrot Carol is very much on the monstrous side of monsters. Its the conquest of it. Otherworldy terrifying woman married and impregnated by goofy salary man who tells dad jokes.

Plus her design is just cool and makes a neat narrative connection to the other Christmas themed reindeer monster.

>>3831140
People would believe that gyftrot is noelle's older brother through

>>3831125
>>3831140
Yeah, but if you think about it, human Carol is even better that way - white woman is probably the scariest thing that monsters can think of, which makes Rudy even more badass.

>>3831152
Why?
>>3831250
White women are boring to us, the players. Since we're human and have to deal with them all the time. A weird ethereal reindeer with hand horns is freaky no matter what.

Some brave fool is trying to make UTY thread, bless his soul, but it's way too stealthy.

That guy who was making a FNF game for UTY might want to hurry up

now if you pick fight here the scene changes, also minor changes overall (still need to tweak a few things)
this now also adds to kanako's guts stat (it is what will be used to track how violent she gets, and also makes her "brutal swing" move more powerful (that's what the execution blow was changed to now that there isn't a weird route anymore). you could actually see how close cole and kanako got already with the confidence stat so now those two will be used to know those things, cole also has a new stat that says if you have been sparing or fighting more)
internally, I have changed the coroutine code to be able to split some off the frame time so the 30 FPS mode now works mostly without issue, same with the text system. there are still some things that have to be tweaked but I will get them when I do the general test once everything is done. I've also added a new fullscreen setting to keep black borders so things are still pixel perfect-ish

>>3831269
too early too

>>3831292
So how does the fullscreen work? Is it scaling the picture to my desktop resolution? Can I still play without the black bars if I want to? Can I set it to output the game's native resolution to my display if I wish?

>>3831306
there are 3 resolution options, windowed, fullscreen (keep ratio) and fullscreen (full)
the new one added was the ratio one, its pretty much how windowed works right now where the game will scale to the largest integer it can to keep the pixel scale, while fullscreen full is just stretching the game to the screen size ignoring pixel perfect stuff
I could do the thing with the borders deltarune has but that requires messing with viewports and I just don't feel like messing with that now (or making borders)

>>3831308
I play on a crt, so I'm wondering if I can just play it at native resolution fullscreen. In the demo which didn't have a fullscreen mode, I just set it to run at 640x480 fullscreen in the windows compatibility options.

>>3831312
I actually have tested it in a CRT TV and it worked well with just maximizing the window (desktop resolution was at 720p)

>>3831315
But then that means the image is scaled up then scaled back down again, which is pretty ugly. If you just an add an option for full screen with no scaling, I can force the game to run at 640x480 and get the desired effect.

>>3831317
I recommend playing the game at double the base res anyway because it makes the text scale better and not look crunched (DR actually sizes the window at 920 or so pixels even if internal resolution is smaller, possibly for similar reasons)

>>3831284
>Shu gets a FnF mod before any actual UTY character
This is the darkest timeline

>>3831323
Wait, are you serious? Fucking HOW

>>3831323
does he have music themes composed for him already?

>>3831320
What do you mean? There's no scaling on a CRT. It just draws whatever resolution.
>DR actually sizes the window at 920 or so pixels even if internal resolution is smaller
I think it does that for visibility purposes on high resolution monitors more than anything. It ran at 640x480 on my machine when I played it.

>>3831326
well I'm not talking about CRT specifically but just general play on modern monitors
anyway by default the game will try to scale the screen to fit the nearest full integer so it keeps pixel consistency, you can see if if you try changing the window size in a big enough monitor, you can press F4 in the current build to make it fullscreen but without this ratio, which should fit to max X or Y of the monitor but show some pixel imperfections here and there, the new mode is just the same as window mode but for fullscreen so it fills the empty space with just black

>>3831329
The new mode would probably do what I want then. Since if I force it to run at 640x480, there won't be any empty space to fill.

>>3831330
Actually now that I think about it, its possible it wouldn't. In the version I played, I used Godot's --fullscreen flag to make it fullscreen, which didn't scale anything. It just surrounded the image with a black box. Then I manually set my monitor resolution to 640x480, getting rid of the black box.

I guess I'll have to wait for the new release to find out if it works.

>>3831269
So what was it?

>>3831083
>Margaret Thatcher Grinch
lmao
I don't like her design either, and now that I think about it I'm changing/speculating on half the cast's designs anyways. I've seen a couple speculative Carol designs I like, I'll see if I can use them (or at least implement elements from them).

>>3831094
>>3831102
>Dess could be an adopted human
I've heard such schizo theories before, and I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. But it does mess a bit with Kris's discomfort with being a human, especially given a best friend who's also one adopted by monsters. No promises, but I'll see what I can do.

>>3831104
>>3831106
Oh I definitely have some ideas for some some fun value gaslighting. Wouldn't have thought to do it here, but the idea sounds really fun.

>>3831113
I think you're onto something.
>"mystery man turns out to be a doctor on the hometown hospital" takes
I haven't seen this before, do you happen to have an example on hand? This concept sounds hilarious and ripe for potential pickings.

>>3831114
I've got an idea in mind now from everyone else's replies. It won't be exactly what you were thinking, but I'm obligated to throw a bone to you, if only to acknowledge your wonderful tastes.

>>3831394
>"mystery man turns out to be a doctor on the hometown hospital" takes
>I haven't seen this before, do you happen to have an example on hand? This concept sounds hilarious and ripe for potential pickings
That sounds like it'd make an excellent double fake out. First you think mystery man was a fake out and that he was actually just this innocuous NPC this whole time, but then you learn that he actually is Gaster and this normal looking doctor is his disguised form.
>I've got an idea in mind now from everyone else's replies. It won't be exactly what you were thinking, but I'm obligated to throw a bone to you,
Thank you anon. I hope you include it in such a way that it inspires at least a little more gyftrot carol art.

>>3831335
I don't think the new mode will change much then, for that purpose it should work the same way as the current

>>3831323
No, UTY FNF mods exist. One is called FNF yellow

>>3831324
>>3831325
Its not out yet but Shu's creator is working on it and already did a FnF mod of his other OC, but its only sprites, Shu has no music... yet

>>3831308
>I could do the thing with the borders deltarune has but that requires messing with viewports and I just don't feel like messing with that now (or making borders)
Some time last year, I made a demo project that implements UT-styled borders in Godot. I'm not sure if it'll mesh well with how you've set things up, but feel free to use it in any regard you see fit.
https://gitgud.io/3hu/godot-ut-border

Why does deltatraveler make undyne answer "uh well whats the point if i dont come back?" when kris asks undyne if she would be willing to go through a door that takes them to another world? She would absolutely enjoy having an adventure on another world

>>3831508
Because Undyne is fiercely loyal to the monster kingdom and to Asgore, and wouldn't be willing to completely abandon her duties to both of those things just to kill a single human if it wouldn't benefit the underground in any way.

>>3831519
>he's even putting down comments about what they did 'wrong'
now that's definitely a reddit janny if i've ever seen one

>>3831522
>erm you cant draw that its OFF TOPIC [X]
>o-o-oh my heckin gosh! a pile of 50 million off topic OCs? please spam more!
redditors need to be studied.
i mean seriously, these people are walking contradictions.

>>3831519
What's he removed so far?

>>3831525
not to mention the whole "NO TEXT!" thing
that he's indicating through text
it truly boggles the mind

>>3831511
Even then, theres no guarantee that the human is being honest either, so its not like undyne wouldnt be willing to call kris's hypothetical scenario a bullshitty bluff and go in anyways

>>3831519
>>3831522
I bet that the janny lost his mod status so he decided to turn towards wplace as a way to cope and hold onto the sense of power he had lost

>>3831534
>so its not like undyne wouldnt be willing to call kris's hypothetical scenario a bullshitty bluff and go in anyways
Well, Undyne doesn't throw herself off the broken pier section to keep pursuing you after her initial chase sequence in waterfall, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say that we have examples of her showing restraint even when pursuing a human.

>>3831537
She didnt jump down because she was searching for a safer way down, as she knows waterfall quite well, if her only way forward was jumping down she would have done it

Imagine the UTY/DRY casts meeting their younger selves

>>3831540
Ceroba will have a heart attack before realizing the child-sized fox isn't Kanako.

>>3831539
That's not certain. Undyne's shown herself to be reckless, but she obviously didn't get to where she is by randomly throwing her life away, she's more cautious than that. If anything, her belief in anime being real would actually make her *more* likely to buy Kris' story in Deltatraveler, since something like what Kris says to her really wouldn't be too far removed from the weird shit she already thinks, so even on that front it would make sense for her to back off. Plus, she watches the main party head through the door, so she can literally see them fall into a massive black void as soon as they step beyond the door frame, so that combined with what Kris told her would probably convince her that going through that door is a one way trip, which would make getting the human soul pointless.

>>3831540
>K: "weird $#@ dark world, ey cole?"
>C: "eh, not that weird. its all from a photo album"
>k: "hi!"
>C: "huh, well arent you a cute little thing"
>cole crouches down to give child kanako some headpats
>kanako blushes
>K "w-well yeah. and im still cute!"
>child cole comes around the corner
>K: "OHMYGOSHIFORGOTYOULOOKEDLIKETHAT"
>kanako picks up child cole, a squeaky noise plays
>C: "heh, thought you didnt like hugs."
>K: "its different when im giving a hug to a tiny kid!"
>C: "uh huh, sure. dont forget that all you have to do is ask and i-"
>m: "sup"
>cole and kanako both turn around
>teen martlet and ceroba are behind them
>they are both wearing tryhard edgy goth outfits
>cole, kanako, and their younger selves visibly cringe

>>3831519
"Janny" there already had a rant at me about encroaching on their artwork and not following the "rules" they have.

>>3831564
mind posting it? would love to see.

>>3831544
I dunno, she would look nothing like Kanako.

>>3831573
I mean, aside from fur color in this particular instance, young coyotes and young foxes aren't actually too dissimilar, at least visually.

I think this might be of use.

>>3831398
>That sounds like it'd make an excellent double fake out. First you think mystery man was a fake out and that he was actually just this innocuous NPC this whole time, but then you learn that he actually is Gaster and this normal looking doctor is his disguised form.
If he's a Nyarthalotep type of character who can disguise himself, that could be very very interesting.

Anyway, I never looked into Help Tale but this just dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgrBj0__hpA
Thoughts on it? I like it and it's professionally done, but using so many analog and meta horror tropes at the start means it'll be much harder to surprise the audience later on.

>>3831614
Its kino so far but i really hope it follows the classic route structure made for the og help_tale, im tired of dumb shits asking stupid questions like "how does geno run work?" or write entire paragraphs which shows that they got their help_tale info from the bajillion help_tale au takes and the fanmade songs.
Its not even that hard to be informed about the actual au's info, you just gotta look up "help_tale routes" on Google and scroll down a bit!
https://www.deviantart.com/darkshreaders/journal/what-is-HELP-tale-658222857

>>3831608
>Toby fans like to make pretty characters
>Toby makes ugly characters instead
I think this is a psyop used by him to make us lower our standards and expectations

>>3831608
>>3831651
To be fair, there's not much that beats "Noelle if she was a hag".

>>3831608
there's also the elektiontruckung option

>>3831614
>If he's a Nyarthalotep type of character who can disguise himself, that could be very very interesting.
We already know that goners can disguise themselves as normal monsters. We see eyeball clam and face goner do it. This would just be the disguised form of mystery man. At first you make the player think he's just the normal monster mystery man is copying, but then you reveal he's his disguised form.

>>3831837
This one's pretty cool
>>3831608
These ones aren't as bad as canon Carol, but they are boring.

>>3831848
Anon, Canon Carol isnt bad just because she didnt give you a boner

>>3831608
i could honestly still picture a few of these as pre-dessappearance carol, poor woman's been through a lot

>>3831858
No, she's bad because she's the only ugly character design in the entire series. Even characters like that mouth thing and Undyne still manage to be pleasant to look at.

>>3831519
these niggers genuinely make me violent.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1my7rl0/wplace_day_11_preview_please_join_the_dc_im_gonna/
>p-p-please join our discord if you post here so you know the rools!!!

>>3831878
Only her front-facing sprite is ugly. Her side sprites and her portrait are kinda cute.

>>3831879
i don't even understand why they decided 'guidelines' were needed in the first place, it clearly wasn't the OC conga line because they're leaving that shit alone, and it evidently wasn't anything about defacing art because they're having a laugh about martlet having tattoos, so what? was it the text that could be easily drawn over anyway? the text that HE added to with the 'corrections'?
that plus the whole "getting mad and calling out one specific guy because he won't let you draw gay flags while ALSO trying to tell people what they should and shouldn't draw" thing is really dragging this whole thing down

>>3831837
Her gag in that fanfic is so genius and something that can only be done in a literary medium

>>3831880
They all looked ugly as hell to me.

>>3831905
What fanfic?

>>3831895
eh, its the UT/DR fandom.
fagflags are a given and it'll only be an uphill battle.
personally im fine leaving all the OC and fag crap alone as long as they leave this alone (along with any other DRY stuff that might pop up)
but if they deface it in a major way, im going full scorched earth on the fucking mountain of reddit OCs

>>3831608
Y'know, on the topic of Carol predictions, does anyone have the comic of Carol ignoring Dess throughout her childhood, only for Dess to turn into the Knight and say "darkness will cover the land" in the last panel? That has what is probably my favourite fanmade Carol design.

>>3831922
There's also a post-release one with proper designs.

BEST GIRL survey to see if there's a correlation between the fans of these two pairs of characters.
Who's your favorite between...
Martlet or Ceroba
+
Rei or Asuka (you can answer regardless if you've seen the show but specify your evangelion familiarity)

>>3831933
anon you do not realize the forces you're dealing with here

>>3831924
Post the proper designs version

Crack theory guy, I forgot if I asked you in /v/ thread - what's the Susie's home situation?
>bike-eating dad
>homeless orphan, lives in a dumpster
>normal parents, she is just bitchy about them like in Homestuck
>Alphys

>>3831935
here ya go

>>3831934
The risk is worth it, for science sake

>>3831933
Martlet, Ceroba is cool and all but Martlet. I do not care for either character in evangelion. I have no strong feelings for them. I pick Martlet a second time instead

>>3831933
double blue for me (i watched all the evas)

>>3831937
none of those are mutually exclusive except for the "normal parents" part, but you can partially do that one
>dad eats bikes, and comes across as a genuine monster at first. but is otherwise normal. opening scary gag is followed with a barney-tier face asking "do you two want any? the rubber's the best part!"
>mother is alphys. she actually doesnt cover the house in anime stuff, she just has a corner of her room for it.
>susie sleeps in a dumpster most nights despite her room being pretty nice because lets be real here, she's embarrassed as all hell

>>3831933
Martlet and Misato

>>3831937
I believe you did ask: I'm not fully decided at the moment, but I have some ideas. I originally planned her to be homeless, but someone once suggested to me that Susie is jealous of Kris's (seemingly) good home life and lashes out as a result, which I think works with the more caustic characterisation inspired by >>3827229's Melody.

Right now I'm leaning towards bike-eating, alcoholic single mother (inspired by the responses from when I posted beta Susie sprites), and her terrible home life REALLY warped her perception of other people for the worst. She's initially implied to be homeless and living in the dumpster, but it's revealed she ran away from home.

The other, more innocuous ideas sound fun, but I don't think they fit with the character arc I'd like to go with for her

>>3831933
I didn't actually play UTY because the ending turned me off to it. I only know the characters from DRY and the threads. I also dropped Evangelion on the 6th episode because I didn't like Shinji and the ending to the series turned me off to it.

I like the DRY versions of both characters, Martlet because she tries her best and is one of the better moms in the series, Ceroba because she's a fiercely loyal (if retarded) wife to Chujin. Neither are best girl in DRY though. That honor goes to Kanako.

In UTY I still admire Ceroba's loyalty, but she killed her own daughter then let another child kill himself after supposedly 'learning her lesson". Martlet is just stupid, but still tries her best so she wins. Plus she has Zartlet, which is peak sex. So Martlet is best girl in UTY.

I like Asuka purely on aesthetic grounds. Never cared for short hair.

>>3831946
Sounds like the most stereotypically Toby answer, but would probably be bad writing since it would basically mean all the build up and foreshadowing around Susie's home life was just for a cheap gotcha, and she really has no justification for eating pine cones and being an antisocial bully.

>>3831972
Kinda hate how the phrase "Toby answer" or "Toby would do this" is just subversion for the sake of it. If it doesn't serve a narrative purpose, or worse, takes AWAY from it, then it's not happening.

>>3831977
That's why I said "stereotypically Toby answer" instead of just "Toby answer". Its the thing people joke about Toby doing.

He does like to play with people's expectations a lot, and has a heavy bias towards making things not as bad as they first appear, like with King, Queen, Sans, The Amalgams, Flowey, the Underground in general, which is the grain of truth that joke comes from.

>>3831933
>Martlet or Ceroba
Ceroba, because I like her visual design and character and because I have mommy issues.
>Rei or Asuka
Having watched the entire original run of Evangelion and the movie a few years back, I genuinely cannot bring myself to give a shit about either of these characters. The only thing that stuck with me from that series was Jet Alone, because I like it's design.

>>3831933
Ceroba
I have no knowledge of eva

>>3831933
>Martlet or Ceroba
Forced rivalry. Starlo
>Asuka or Rei
Asuka

>>3831933
>Martlet or Ceroba
Hard choice. Martlet is a better person, but I like Roba more as a character.
>Rei or Asuka
Never watched Eva, but as far as I know, Rei has personality of a wood log, so Asuka kinda wins by default. Grandis is best Gainax girl anyway.

>>3831933
Roba, massive evafag - Rei

>>3831910
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45942670/chapters/115638541
shitpost post-chapter 2 pre-chapters 3-4 fic written by youtube theorist andrew cunningham where asgore "A VOTE FOR WALLS IS A VOTE FOR FREEDOM" dreemurr runs for hometown mayor

>>3831933
Martlet. Aside from being just a genuinely nice person, she always tries her best, and tries to make things right if she messes up.

Ceroba basically ruined her family's life by being retarded.

>>3832043
but who's the best evangelion girl?

>>3831933
Toriel

Misato

>>3832043
>Ceroba basically ruined her family's life by being retarded.
If we're gonna pin all the blame on one person, it should be Chujin. He got himself killed working on a personal project that didn't actually have too much ground to stand on, and then burdened Ceroba with finishing it despite knowing that the only available candidate to use to actually make the serum was their daughter, since boss monsters are so few and far between that the only way he was able to make as much progress as he did (any?) was by using himself as a labrat. Ceroba made some bad choices, but none of that would've happened if Chujin had any sense and didn't get himself killed.

>>3832091
Chujin literally told ceroba to not involve kanako with the experiments, thats not his fault, ceroba is the one who made the problem 10 times worse

Whoever is reposting content from here to Reddit is a retard. I don’t want this place to become Reddit 2.0

>>3832099
I think the fact that he had to emphasize that really goes to show how doomed this project was to start off with. He wouldn't have had to say not to involve Kanako if there were literally any other viable subjects, since there's no way Ceroba would've used Kanako if she had any other options, but we see in-game that she didn't.
The only options she was left with were to either abandon the project until she could find another boss monster, potentially permanently shelving the project as a result if she never finds one, or use Kanako and hope for the best.
If Chujin knew any better, he would've just told Ceroba to give the project data and samples to the royal scientist or something, maybe Alphys could've made some actual headway into it, but Ceroba didn't stand a chance.

>>3832102
>Someone reposted the shitty conga line edit I made in reddit
Which of you retards did that?

>>3832109
Some user called "Jimmy-Shumpert", apparently.
Well, I'm pretty sure the guy who made the original version of that image that that one's an edit of is still taking an extended break for various reasons, so I don't think too many people will see it and get mad about it.
Only problem is that this may attract some of those people over here, which would be annoying.

>>3832103
I think its just because boss monsters are extremely rare, and even then they wouldnt accept, theres asgore and (whom i theorize to be a boss monster) gerson, and theres no reason theyd accept being a lab rat.
Besides, i think Chujin didnt trust that alphys could pull it off, and he's right, aside from the true lab context, she's busier texting about how mew mew kissy cutie 2 sucks and fingering herself to undyne rather than working on anything important like research and doing much other than building a body for a ghost, and its not like she's subtle about being lazy as fuck, so chujin decided to pray for the best and didnt expect his wife to do something as retarded as jabbing their own child after telling ceroba to not involve kanako.

>>3832119
>so chujin decided to pray for the best and didnt expect his wife to do something as retarded as jabbing their own child after telling ceroba to not involve kanako.
So he decided to burden her with a task that was basically impossible, except for if she did the one thing he told her not to do.
Yeah, that's still not great on Chujin's part.
Unless he was expecting her to just go out and kidnap anyone who could've potentially been a boss monster for the sake of using them as unwilling test subjects for the project, I don't really see how Ceroba was supposed to make any kind of progress with the serum *other* than using Kanako. Yeah, Ceroba using Kanako was still stupid both in and out of universe, but from an in-universe perspective, that was kinda the only option she had. The only boss monsters that we *know* exist for certain are Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel. Those are the only three boss monsters we're ever shown in the original UT. Of those three, Asriel is dead, Toriel is in self-exile in the ruins which are implied to be utterly inaccessible from the outside, and Asgore is the literal king of all monsters and easily the strongest monster we ever see in the underground, and based on how he's described to have reacted to Chujin's other experiments, I don't think he'd be too willing to let himself be the subject of the one that actually killed Chujin.
So to be clear, the two options Ceroba had here were to either abandon the project and (in her eyes) forever leave Chujin's wishes unfulfilled, or try and use Kanako to make the serum.

>>3832109
>>3832117
It was originally Weary, the cuck guy, that reposted it in his new comic part comment section. Then, Jimmy reposted it

Both of them say it’s from 4chan

>>3832128
Wrong comic, Weary made the cheating one, some other guy made the poly one, which was the original source of that conga line edit, which was from one of the /v/ or /vrpg/ threads.

>>3831933
Martlet and neither(not into misato either)

>>3832132
>>3832128
Oh, my mistake, I see what you're saying.
Carry on.

Anyone have the other edits, where the line is even longer?

>>3832102
>I don’t want this place to become Reddit 2.0
Given all the Reddit OCs and wplace discussion, it might be too late for that...

>>3832138
>wplace discussion
Eh, we haven't had too much discussion about that around here, just a bit. Plus, that trend's dying down now that people can just copy and paste shit without needing to actually put any effort in.
Just another internet fad.

ok but what if ceroba was a boss monster

>>3832147
she was one in the original draft and she killed kanako to stop aging
desu the story would make more sense if she was the boss monster, or at least her fight would

>>3831895
>>3831920
Poked around the Discord for this shit and dealt with some of the moderators there. Seems they weren't too pleased about the DRY art being placed there to begin with but are content with leaving it there for now. Looks like they wanted to expand the Zartlet artwork with some more.
Funnily enough they also dislike the large amount of OCs and actively discourage people from adding more (even if it's incredibly faggy to try and enforce rules.)

>>3832149
The only thing that needs tweaking about her story is the part where she injects Kanako. Just have Kanako inject herself behind Ceroba's back and it's fine.
>or at least her fight would
Her fight already makes sense, she just got a power boost from an emotional surge of determination, like Undyne does in the original UT in the genocide route.

>>3832153
>Funnily enough they also dislike the large amount of OCs and actively discourage people from adding more
Huh. Maybe some of those guys aren't so bad after all.

>>3832153
>but are content with leaving it there for now
>for now
the fuck is that supposed to mean???
there's already regular yellow art up there. did they simply want to pave over it?
and why cant they just put the extra martlet art elsewhere. right next to the 'roba art would be a good spot