Thread 520451360

>Pokrovsk
>Siversk
>Kostiantynivka
>Lyman
>Kupiansk
All of these cities are under threat of being taken. Does Russia pause for the winter to regroup and resupply or will there be a winter offensive?

>>520451360 (OP)
Well its mud season so... they might have to slow down a bit... but idfk what russia is doing. They really need to just end it, send in everything you got ukraine is on its heels anyways, theyre out of men.

>>520451360 (OP)
Doesn't matter as Ukraine don't need them anyway

>>520451624
Kupiansk is a huge logistical loss in the north, Lyman and Siversk are the gateway to Sloviansk, Kostiantynivka is the gateway to Kramatorsk, and Pokrovsk is the gateway to the entire west side of the Donbas. They're all important.

>>520451360 (OP)
fake news

>>520451360 (OP)
They have been ramping up so fast the last month. They wanted to take Pokrovsk for almost three months now. They will get it by December.
Ukraine is running out of options according to pigger news.

>>520452929
But what happens when the winter weather hits?

>>520452972
They fought the last three winters didnt they?
Nothing ever happens.

>>520451360 (OP)
Russia has always done a winter offensive when the ground is frozen and they can maneuver easy.
Right now is mud season, so they actually aren't pushing hard.

>>520451360 (OP)
>>520451757
>>520452972
The worst of winter is always after December, December is not always a super cold month. They're still in flat terrain. It would be worse if they were in marshes again.

>>520451360 (OP)
Porkroast still hasn't been taken? What happened to the 10 gorillion hohols that were encircled?

>>520452972
The same thing that's happening now, but even slower.

>>520453081
>Right now is mud season, so they actually aren't pushing hard.
Yup and they have been completely overwhelming Ukie defences the last few weeks. If this is not hard and they keep speeding up, we'll see all the territory in OP get captured by March.

>>520453187
Being ground down because they refuse to leave.
>>520453006
>>520453201
I know they'll keep fighting, but I always wonder if they make a big winter push or just do what they usually do just in the cold.

>>520453227
Two more weeks to kiev!

There are few people more delusional than cabbage niggers.

>>520453261
>I wonder if theyre going to do [thing they havent prepared for]
No. We would have been hearing all about it like the faggot pigkraine "counter offensive".
>>520453318
They could make it 2 days if they chose to attack from the north again. Cope.

>>520451360 (OP)
Russians always had their biggest gains in winter. Bakhmut fell in winter. Avdiivka fell in winter. The whole Kurakhove salient fell in winter. And with Pokrovs take they will likely ramp up operations towards Konstantynovka

>>520451360 (OP)
>a city named Porkroast
fuh, are we in a simulation?

>>520451584
>mud season
Anon, the mud season just ended in eastern Ukraine. Now it's blitzkrieg time...

>>520451360 (OP)
Russia can't win. Russians are born losers. Putin will die of a heart attack before Russia gets close to winning. Moscow will be in flames before Russia contemplates victory. Russia will lose.

>>520451584
its not irak
the ukraine gets infinite nato support as we speak

even a promise is enough to find retards to fight at the front

when will the pigkraine stop losing?

>>520451360 (OP)
Winter doesn't slow down offensives. It speeds them up cause the roads freeze and the mud disappears. Ar least in Russia. Not sure what winter is like in Ukraine.

>>520453564
Anon, my brother... how do you not know the legend of Stinky?

>>520453187
>

wake me up when they take kramatorsk

>>520453774
This war really won't end until Russia takes the Donbas completely. And at this rate that won't be a for at least another year or two.

>>520453588
Russia has already won.
It's admirable the resistance that Ukrainians are putting up to try to slow Russia, but it's pointless.

>>520453822
hopefully by next summer so we can stop talking about this wasteman shit forever

>>520453667
I'm convinced the decisive battle for the whole war will be fought at Stinky.

>>520453955
Trump tried, but no one except him wants the war to end so he's just going to let them fight it out
Somehow he got jews to settle down before he could the eurotards

>>520451360 (OP)
>Does Russia pause for the winter
Doubt it. Russia usually makes decent gains during Winter months (most of the Avdeevka offensive, Kursk counteroffensive, Kurakhove etc.). Its a lot harder for the Ukrainians to supply and reinforce their positions when fields and dirt roads are less traversable and the Russians can more easily siege their supply lines with drones and artillery.

gayest war ever

>>520453957
The decisive battle was fought in Mariupol.
Ukraine was prepping for the war for the last 8 years; they really planned to use the city as some sort of Stalingrad and humiliate Russia right there. But as everyone remembers, Mariupol fell in weeks, and the infamous Azov battalion never really saw action after that (apart from always being hidden in some bunker 50 km from the contact line).

>>520454118
>decent gains
"decent gains" is really funny in the context of this war. Pretty sure in a few months this war will have lasted longer than WW1

>>520454483
Battle of Kiev was a lot more important than Mariupol

>>520453863
Russia will never win. The more Germanic Ukrainians will easily beat the Asiatic rapemeat Russian dogeating donkeyraping horde.

>>520453586

I believe you are referring to Rasputisa which is after winter during the melting of snow turning a lot of that region into mud.

This has always had an effect on war in the past, but with drones and other aspects of modern warfare...it's different now.

>>520454809
>The more Germanic Ukrainians
The what?

>>520454809

Ukranians are slaves just like the Russians. This jewish war needs to end now. You seem happy we give billions of dollars to corrupt countries like Ukraine in order to kill one Ukraines entire slavic population for a jewish political class.

>>520454917
Ukrainians look more white than Russians. Putin looks like Xi. He needs to go back to China and let Ukrainians repopulate Russia. Some Russians are White I'll admit. Maybe 10%.

>>520454983
If Russia didn't have nukes we could support a Ukrainian invasion of Russia. Now we need to exhaust, balkanize, and destabilize Russia. Then Poles and Ukrainians and other partially Germanic Slavs can repopulate Russia.

>>520454623
The Battle of Kiev was a feint.
Russia invaded Ukraine with a little bit over 100k soldiers. In 3 fucking fronts.
Meanwhile, Ukraine had 400k active soldiers.
Most of the forces were in the south, to prevent Russia from connecting Crimea to Donbas. By sending a small force to "round up Kiev", Russia forced Ukraine to redeploy their forces up north. This was fatal for Ukraine because Melitopol was encircled, and the entire south of Ukraine was captured.
Ukraine also tried to do the same last year, they mobilised a huge chunk of their reserves and sent 20 to 30k soldiers in the direction of Belgorod, but Russia did not fall for the bait.
If Russia had redeployed their forces there, you can be sure that Melitopol would have been taken back.

>>520455097
>Ukrainians look more white than Russians.
Can you post pictures of some of them?

>>520455189
>The great Kyiv Offeintsyiv
lol
lmao, even

>>520454905
I literally post a chart of the precipitation month by month.

Also, this is a huge mistake. Drones have a very small range of operation. We are talking about 5km max.
Drone warfare is just trench 2.0

>>520451360 (OP)
They will pause due to the mud and once the ground freezes over it picks up pace. IF and that's a big if, they don't stop during mud season then it's GG for Ukraine as it would mean they have so much of an infantry shortage that they can't even hold the roads.

>>520451360 (OP)
Yes, there will absolutely be a winter offensive once the ground freezes. Recall that the last big captures of Bahmut and Avdeyveka both happened in winter.
Porkroast will fall first, followed by Kupyansk.
Kramatorsk/Slavyansk will continue to hold barring a general collapse of AFU in the sector.
Screenshot this post.

>>520455300
It's simple: Ukrainians are European phenotype while Russians are asiatics.
>>520454983
>dis nigga thinks he's not a goy-slave
Everyone, point at this retard and laugh.

>>520455481

What mud? From November to March there is no rain in eastern Ukraine.
>>520453586

>>520454905
If drones could hold territory then Ukraine might have a fighting chance. They can't so it doesn't.
>other aspects of modern warfare
OK, redditor.
>>520454545
Turns out fighting a real war against a peer enemy is actually hard. Not that America would know. Last time that happened for US was Korea.

>>520455300
At the elite level there are more Europeans in Russia but compare the Ukrainian cabinet and the Russian cabinet and it's obvious who's more European.
At the street level comparing Kyiv to Moscow or Stank Pidorberg shows and even bigger difference.
Zelenskyy is a Jew and he still looks more European than Putin who looks like he should be herding sheep in Siberia with Comrade Xi.

>>520455607
You never left Compton in your life LaQuandrell Salsapicante and you can't even point Ukraine on a map.

>>520454545
World War 1 had like 20 years of buildup and 5 years of extreme military posturing before it.
This war had 0 conscription until the fighting started and 0 warning until one day, just randomly.

>>520453187
>What happened to the 10 gorillion hohols that were encircled?
They are being systemically killed because they are unable to flee or get rotations/resupplies.
>>520454809
>Russia will never win.
Have faith, anon. All monkey asks is that you have the patience to wait 2 more weeks.

>>520454623
THE Battle of Kiev is the greatest military victory in world history, according to wikipedia.
Despite the fact it was only a small token force meant to show Russia was serious while they negotiated a treaty.

>>520455833
>>520455870
this is a hecking pigger genocide just like world war 1 and world war 2
bandera rise from the dead please save poor pigkraine

Ukraine cabinet, mostly White.

>>520455810
>and then one day
>for no reason at all
>russians invaded ukraine
Spoken like a plebbitor who thinks the war started in 2022. Fuck outta here.
>>520455870
Fighting for Keef was a political win because it forced Ukraine to start negotiating mere days after the invasion began.
It ended up a political failure because Eurofags were still able to derail said negotiations.

Militarily though? Kind of retarded to send 100k soldiers to try and intimidate a country the size of Ukraine when they've been getting pumped full of weapons and """advisors""" for the past 8 years despite Minks 1/2.

>>520456015
Russian cabinet clear Asiatic rapebabies.

THESE ARE THE WHITEST PEOPLE IN RUSSIA.

>>520456039
Ah yes, the famous quantum superposition win/lose scenario.

>>520456039
retard, I'm aware of euromaidan and the gayops that happened in donbas.
You aren't aware of world war 1 at all.

>>520456092
>mutt is shocked to learn that ~18% of Russia's population has asian genetics on account of Russia taking up a huge part of the asian continent
Many such cases.
Putler's cabinet still looks whiter than the kike-infested cabinet of Trumpedo or Biden.
>>520456190
When Russians are retarded they are retarded on purpose. That's their secret.
>>520456277
If you really were then you wouldn't be posting such gay-ass, dumbfuck shit.

>>520456039
It was fun watching Fox news clowns talk about it.
>No gas
>Drill holes in gas tanks
>Dress uniforms
>People giving the posion sandwiches

Like ukrainians even eat sandwiches

>>520455651
It's not uncommon for mud season to extend into november and start again in spring depending on how saturated the ground is and how early of a winter it is. There was some rain in the last few days but again it all depends on how saturated the ground was.
t. I'm a bulbashi.

>>520456324
No they don't. They all have weird mongrel looking faces.
No being 20% Asiatic is not an excuse. The whitest Russians rule Russia. These are the whitest Russians on the street level it's a lot worse.
No Trump's cabinets don't look as freaky despite America being much more diverse.

>>520456324
it's very fair to say that jewkraine didn't prepare whatsoever according to the fake and gay statistics you wrote down.
>400k v 100k
400k and they're losing to a force of 100k, clearly pigkraine wasn't ready.
It doesn't take 7 years to train thousands of men in shooting a rifle.
It doesn't take 7 years to lose.

There was 0 buildup on either side and ukikes still lost.
Sorry but that's the truth. this is not a huge war in terms of size or buildup.

>>520451584
> theyre out of men.
Lol. Lmao even
Our mobilization reserve is about 20 million people, of which we took only 350k three years ago. We could right now, within a week, call up another 2-3 million and break the backbone of Zelensky's regime, but why, if our attrition tactic is already working excellently?
We use small groups of people and a huge stockpile of drones and artillery to massively destroy the enemy's manpower while preserving as many lives of our soldiers as possible.
The current KD is 39 piglets for 1 Russian.
Such a tactic allows us to simultaneously preserve the lives of the maximum number of people and not harm the country's economy. But yes, it takes more time than a massive assault.

>>520456379
The start of the invasion was a giant stupid mess... on both sides
>what do you mean we should have changed the rotting tires on our BTRs and 4320s before the invasion??
>what do you mean our blitzkrieg tactics are outpacing our logistics and now we are stuck in buttfuck nowhere with no fuel??
>what do you mean our comms suck because we don't even have ukrainian simcards on our personal phones??
Suka blayat!!!
>>520456543
>jewkraine didn't prepare whatsoever
Huh? They absolutely did thanks to boatloads of """illegal""" money and weapons from NATO. This fact is what gave Zelebobik the confidence to stop negotiations in the first place.
>There was 0 buildup on either side
Russians had to disguise their buildup as """muh training exercises""" for weeks before going full send. You're the biggest retard nigger ITT.

>>520453621
> the ukraine gets infinite nato support as we speak
They don't have any manpower left, while we used like 1% of our reserves.

We are grinding them like meat in meatgrinder.

>>520456713
you are gay and delusional comparing ugroids getting NATO gibs to WW1 international military buildup
Fucking kill yourself historylet faggot
You know nothing, absolutely nothing about what you're talking about.

>>520456713
But you faggots call Russia a gas station disguised as a country.
Now you say they had no gas?

You seem confused by lazy propaganda.
Let me help
You will never be a woman

>>520456777
>While we used like 1% of our reserves
I think you mean 1% of your population kek

>>520456820
Nice wojak, tranny. You sure showed me.
You know nothing about the start of this conflict. Sit the fuck down, Timmy.
>>520456892
Yes, that is exactly what I said you gay retard.
Try actually reading and using your brain.

>>520456952
read about WW1 faggot you obviously missed it in school
Then eat shit and die, vermin. Ex-redditor vermin.

>>520456688
>>520456777
>>520456846
See how lying is second nature to the Asiatic. In an offensive there the invading horde will have more on their side than the defenders will have on their side. This is how they try to manipulate you.

>>520455870
I still think it's silly maps show "ukrainian counter offensive" when it was a withdraw for negotiations.

>>520451360 (OP)
Is it happening lads?

>>520451360 (OP)
Yeeeeeees, keep attacking. More dead ziggers.

>>520456916
No, he meant reserves. Despite dying "by the millions", Russians were able to create and fully staff two new military districts with over a million personnel.
>>520456992
This is a thread about Ukraine. Fuck off to the Somme to jerk off about WW1 you dumb cocksucker.
>>520457013
It's the typical western duplicity: they talk about control over territory when it favors Ukraine and, when Russia advances again, they switch to talking about Russia's great (imagined) personnel losses.

>>520456952
You are the retarded tranny faggot who thinks Putin should have given Kiev 2 weeks notice before invading.
>Both sides were building up troops at the border
>Kiev started shelling Donbas on Feb 19th
>Russia invaded on the 24th
You will never be a woman

>>520457013
>It was a goodwill gesture
You really can't make this shit up lmao

>>520457190
It would have saved over a million ukrainian lives, all they had to do was stop killing russians, restore water to crimea and kick out the US military running the biolabs.
Easy, wouldnt have cost ukraine a penny

>>520457178
If the losses aren't real and Russia is just sending it's "reserve" forces, of what purpose is a paying a million more troops to play grab-ass?
Could it be, perhaps, that these troops were recruited to fill in the suspiciously million personnel large gap left by the soldiers who went to Ukraine?

>>520457186
>he doesn't even know who he's replying to any more
lmao
Trannies like you always think this conflict started in 2022. It's an immediate giveaway that you are a gaping retard. Dilate.
>>520457190
Whether it was or not it was the correct move to begin THD.
>>520457373
>what purpose is a paying a million more troops to play grab-ass
They are preparing in case of a full-out war with NATO. Something that's still very much on the table despite Russia's best efforts to de-escalate because EU faggots need to distract their population from their fucked economy due to no more cheap Russian energy and Orange Hitler needs to distract amerigoys from the Epstein files.

Faggot delusional faggot.
Doesnt know anything about world war 1 pretends russia vs ukraine is the largest most important war you sound like a fucking chimp.
You sound like a fucking retarded banan eating chimp.
OH MUH HECKIN 7 YEAR BUILDUP
Nigger retard nigger kill yourself.
Massreply nigger.
You're so insanely retarded its terminal.
I WASNT TALKING ABOUT WORLD WAR 1 Shut the FUCK UP nigger you know nothing
You know nothing about nothing at all stupid fuck.
YES!!! WORLD WAR 1 YES RUSSIA UKRAINE
A-A-A-SHUT DA FUCK UP fucking wheatfield nigger you're talking some fighting words chink eyed fuck.
Stupid motherfucker talking about world war 1 you're a god damn buff arent you tell me one major battle you CANT.
OH BUT IM TALKING ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CONFLICT EVER MUH JEWKERANE AND RUSSIA
7 TRILLION YEARS BUILDUP
A-A-A-SHUT DA FUCK UP! Stupid bitch.

>>520456688
I could see how hohols and NAFO faggots might interpret this but it's the truth. Deliberate, patient, and methodical attrition

God bless Russia in your fight. You guys are always slow to start, but unstoppable once the machine is rolling

>>520451360 (OP)
>of being taken
you mean liberated

>>520457178
>It's the typical western duplicity: they talk about control over territory when it favors Ukraine and, when Russia advances again, they switch to talking about Russia's great (imagined) personnel losses
Losses which are never verified or sourced from even remotely trustworthy places (i.e. the fucking Kiev Independent, or hohol MOD)

Nice reddit post.
Keep sneeding, tranny. YWNBAW.
>>520457488
>Nooooo, you can't talk about Ukranny casualties, nooooo!
>Look at how little land Ziggers control instead!
>10 million years for Vatniks to reach Keef at their current rate!!!
>>520457573
Ukraine is malding that thousands of civilians in major cities like Slavyansk do not want to evacuate and instead are content to wait for Russians to come.

>>520451624
these cities are the last fortresses,
after that OPEN FIELDS all the way to your shithole

>>520457468
Its like you are making up shit and pretending I said it then arguing with yourself.
At least you know you nafo troons are the lowest form of life.
>They cant defeat Kiev!
>But they are invading the EU tomorrow!

>>520456994
Holy copium!

>>520457659
>thousands of civilians in major cities like Slavyansk do not want to evacuate
really?

MUH HECKIN CONFLICT WAS 2014 DONBAS DUMBASS
REDDIT!!! REDDIT!!! MUH REDDIT!!! NAFO REDDIT
Stupid fuck. Dumb bitch.
OH NO HE GOT ONE DETAIL WRONG ITS TIME TO DILATE
Shut the FUCK up dumb bitch who gives a shit?
No one gives a SHIT go cry in >>>/pol/ugh/ stupid tranny bitch
OH NO HE GOT THE SPECIFIC DETAIL ON THE DATE WRONG
THIS WAS MUH MOST IMPORTANT MILITARY BUILD UP EVER
UKRAINE VS RUSSIA
WORLD WAR 1
SAME THING
>WHAT DID YOU SAY?
YOU CANT TALK ABOUT WOOOOORLD WAAAAR OOOOOOOOOOONNNNNEE
NOOOOOOO
NOT LIKE THAT
A-a-a SHUT the fuck up stupid BITCH you know nothing.

>>520457659
>do not want to evacuate and instead are content to
join Russia
yep, AZOV Nazis hate that trick
I'm expecting Nazi atrocities in those areas.

>>520456713
I think that is clear that Russia really wanted to use a shock and awe at the start to try and force capitulation, they almost did it but then the west convinced ukraine to fight it out promising great support, Russia was not prepared for this which is why they lost a lot of territory early in the war this is where Ukraine could've won and force Russia out, buut the west didn't exactly provide enough support since they wanted this to be a long war to weaken Russia so they just gave Ukraine the bare minimun, this in the long run caused Ukraine to lose too much manpower and gave Russia time to adapt to this new war, the west seeing this increased support little but litle to give cover for the loses which led to this slow war, at the end nobody really got what they wanted Russia didn't get their fast and painless victory, the west didn't get to weaken Russia to the extent they wanted and of course we have Ukraine which is slowly losing a war where nothing short of direct NATO boots on the ground can save them.

>>520457626
US depleted uranium is safe to handle while russian is not 2 different reactor technologies (russian is obviously inferior)

Dumb fuck stupid bitch you know nothing retard fucking bitch.

>>520456846
Another explanation is that the Ukrainians are eating the dead russians. Not that it would improve the optics.

>>520457713
>gets outed for being a retard
>nooo, you can't do that you nafo tranniii!!!!
lel
>>520457626
I choose to believe that all those Russian losses are real, but Putin is a max level necromancer so he's able to reanimate his fallen and send them back into combat for Svinorez times infinity.
>>520457818
>Nazi atrocities in those areas
Unfortunately many such cases where cornered or retreating AFU would try to find remaining civilians and murder them to take out their frustration because they'd view them as "collaborators".

>>520457760
of COURSE
that's ALL russian ethnic populace
the insane AZOV Nazi hohols are all in the west

>>520457718
The more I debated with them the more familiar I became with their argumentative tactics. At the outset they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents, but when they got so entangled that they could not find a way out they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons. Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion. They would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these, then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature from the original theme. If you faced them with this point they would escape again, and you could not bring them to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these apostles one’s hand grasped only jelly and slime which slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards. If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The Zigger would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday’s defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct. Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more–the abundance of their verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods. I gradually came to hate them.

>MUH JEWKRAINE IS LIKE WORLD WAR 1
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WHAT WAS THAT?
DID YOU JUST SAY WORLD WAR 1? YOU CANT SAY THAT IN MY THREAD
Stupid bitch you're retarded. Do I need to say it again? Stupid bitch you're retarded. Tranny faggot redditor. Retarded.

>>520457909
>they lost a lot of territory early in the war
Territory was not Russia's goals. Remember the goals that Putler laid out in 2022 and has been repeating ever since.
>Ukraine could've won and force Russia out
Russia's original force of 100k spread all over their large country? Yes.
But the moment Russia started their "limited mobilization" and sent in Wagner+shtrafbat it was ogre for Ukranni.
>caused Ukraine to lose too much manpower
That was more Zelebobik's retarted quest for PEREMOGUS with such things as never ordering timely retreats and the Kursk "Special Suicide Operation".
Otherwise agree with the rest of your post.
>>520457933
Nah, the cope is simple
>Russians are using mobile crematoriums
>Russia is advancing (aka "winning") so Ukraine has fewer Russian corpses to collect
There was a 3rd commons sneed, but I forgor.

That niggers 'tarded
Fucking doesn't know a single reason why world war 1 started, thinks some cringe larping is equivalent to 20 years international military buildup
Fucking retarded.
Stupid fucking nigger.
Retarded.
OH BUT MY HECKIN SACRED 2014 DONBAS DATE I CANT BELIEVE YOU DIDNT REMEMBER REDDIT TRANNY REDDIT TRANNY
A-a-a-a, SHUT da fuck up you're retarded.
Stupid fuckin bitch.

>>520458081
Stop. You'll hurt the WW1 tranny's feelings.

>>520458073
Speaking of NAFO trannies, what I hate the most are the lies they spread about the true nature of American (and European) support for Ukraine. Things like:
>we're only sending them equipment
This is a lie as Ukraine has received billions in cash from US and EU.
>we're only sending them our old junk that was going to get scrapped anyway
Also a lie for such obvious reasons it hurts
>this is a great deal for US because Americans aren't dying fighting Russia
Despite the fact that American volunteers and glownigger """advisors""" have died in this war it's such a callous disregard for Ukrainian lives that it makes my blood boil.

I'm firmly on the THD train, but I sometimes feel like I (and Russians) care more about survival of Ukrainian civilians (and even soldiers by offering opportunity to surrender) than anyone in the west does.

Meanwhile in reality Zelensky is still saying he only lost 65,000 troops so he doesnt have to pay death benifits and ordering his commanders to leave fallen soldiers behind. Plus the fact press gangs havent been used in Europe since the 1850s.

>>520453863
>It's admirable the resistance that Ukrainians are putting up
There is nothing admirable about forcing a slave army to fight to the death. The moment Zelenskike opened the border to 18-22 year olds, they all left. If he opened it for everyone, there would be no one left.

>>520458559
I saw a headline saying Zelensky told the europeans he will need their support for a few more years at least. Is he implying he's going to go that entire time without elections?

>>520458499
>we're only sending them equipment
>we're only sending them our old junk that was going to get scrapped anyway
No one says this.
>this is a great deal for US because Americans aren't dying fighting Russia
It's true that the Russian state has to be dismantled. Do you think a multipolar world works in our favor? Would you rather hand over the levers of global power to Comrades Xi and Putin?

OH BUT MY HECKIN 7 YEAR CRINGE LARP IS EQUIVALENT TO 5 MILLION MEN JOINING THE MILITARY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO
SHUT da fuck up, you're retarded stupid bitch. Tranny ass bitch faggot.
You getting bottomed out in the fucking barracks twink faggot bitch. Dumb faggot bitch.
Know nothing faggot
Pretends to know every fucking thing and cries like a bitch when caught
Stupid bitch faggot
MUH HECKIN THREAD ISNT ABOUT WORLD WAR 1
SHUT THE FUCK UP stupid know nothing faggot
You know nothing dumb bitch do I need to say it again? You know nothing dumb bitch

>>520451360 (OP)
>literally a bunch of strategically irrelevant villages (now bombed to shit)
>for the low low price of hundred thousand zigger lives
fair exchange

>>520458559
Russia is the bad guy.

>>520458742
They are all strategically relevant.

>>520455747
There is no doubt that Russia has a higher percentage of non-Europeans in it. But when comparing ethnic-Russians to ethnic-Ukrainians, the main difference is that Russians are more Baltic and Finnic, whereas Ukrainians are more Turkic. Regardless, the idea that Western Ukrainians are Germanic is pretty delusional. They're Polish. It's also why they're Catholic.

>>520458852
they are literally not important.

>>520458626
>No one says this.
lmao found the nafo shill
Yeah buddy, your friends are still saying this on normiebook and IRL thinking the cope from 2022 will still work today.
>>520458623
>going to go that entire time without elections
Of course. Can't have FREE AND FAIR DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS during wartime, goy.
What's that?
America had elections during WW2 and soldier votes counted via absentee ballots? Oh...
>>520458742
You're late to the thread, Pvt Ramirez.

>>520458890
for you

>>520451360 (OP)
This is never going to end
Ukrainians are killing ukrainians (who they call russians so they can cope at least a little bit) and neither western or eastern block gives a shit
You would think russians would care at least a little bit since they share the same language, but nope, "here are some drones that you can intercept with your local infrastructure and write an article about 117% interception rate".
The only real change is that first time in recorded history russians have greater purchasing power than germans- which roughly translates to "we can buy more chinese plastic"(russia is still a shithole)

Keep watching the lines on map
It is a good distraction from world going to shit around you

>>520457190
>You really can't make this shit up lmao
What is there to make up? It was reported at the time you fucking moron.

>>520458873
I like that map myself because it shows a clear genetic (and thus also cultural) divide between east and west europe.
Also between northeast europe (Finno-Ugric) and the Balkan/Med region of southeast.
This isn't a dick measuring contest (although some on /pol/ are obsessed with DNA) but a fun reminder that cultures are not a social construct after all.
>>520458852
They cease to become strategically important the moment Russians capture them. After 3+ years of war I'd think you would have caught on to this by now?
>>520458890
Say the line tranny: "Kiev is not strategically important".

>>520458742
They are strategically relevant in the sense that it's the last line of fortification in eastern Ukraine.

Behind that it's just plains and shitty trenches that were dug recently.

>>520459075
>After 3+ years of war I'd think you would have caught on to this by now?
I know I'm just being silly

>>520459016
>russia is still a shithole
Kind of a funny thing to see coming from a Croat.
Russians actually do care a lot about Ukraine. This is why monkey has never truly taken the gloves off. For example only now, after 3+ years of war, he's starting to threaten a "cold winter" for piggers with his attacks on electrical stations.
>>520459062
>dear russians, you can't negotiate fairly with someone if you're holding a proverbial gun to their head. Please pull back as a goodwill gesture
>da, horosho, we will
>HAHAHA WE TRICKED YOU AGAIN YOU STUPID ZIGGER FAGGOTS HAHAHAHA YOU TOTALLY FELL FOR IT YOU DUMB NIGGERS!!!
Basically the story of Russian diplomacy with the west since the 90s.

>>520452929
December?
They already control 80+% of it and mynograd or whatever it's called is practically completely cut from supplies.
Ukies probably can't hold out another week in whatever remains.

>>520459296
Not sure realistically how much food can be dropped by drones.
But yea, modern artillery has a 50 mile range, nothing is moving through.the noose.

>>520457760
>really?
Pretty much everyone in the East is pro-Russia. Ukraine even admitted it before the war. Why do you think they banned all men from leaving? Why do you think 90% of the Army are kidnappees? Ukraine isn't a real country.

https://youtu.be/LKAt56zW0-g

>>520459222
So am I.
I'm just glad no one in my circle of friends/coworkers cares about this war because sperg the fuck out
>maidan and its consequences have been a disaster for the ukranian people
All those poor retards wanted was to live rich like eurogoys and visa-free travel to euroland.
Instead they got war.

If you have normies who need a QRD on the war I strongly recommend this free book written by Benjamin Abelow available on his site: "How the West Brought War to Ukraine". It's less than 60 pages and does a great job outlining the entire story (including the leadup to the 2014 invasion) in a succinct and easy to read manner.
>>520459296
Correct. There's a ~2km break between the tips of Russia's encirclement pushes in that theater. However many hohols are actually trapped in there are absolutely fucked and are getting picked off by drones as they try to flee.

>>520459561
Yea anyone who says the war started in 2022 is obviously either stupid or intentionally misleading.

>>520457760
>>520459540
I mean, why do you think there are no elections? The only reason Zelenskike won in the first place was because he promised to protect the Russian language and to seek peace with Russia(IE why his support mostly came from the east). Of course, he is a lying kike so he did the opposite and then cancelled elections.

>>520459503
>how much food can be dropped by drones
Air drones? Very little from what soldiers write.
A single 0.5l bottle of water.
Some kielbasa/dry noodles.
Repeated flights are enough to sustain 2-3 men in a remote trench for a couple of weeks (after which they will be suffering from health issues brought on by starvation) but it's not a scalable or sustainable long-term supply strategy.

Land drones like what Russia has been working on are more promising, but obviously them navigating land is harder and slower than an air drone.
>>520459655
This. The moment Zele got into power Banderovites "washed" his brains and he started following what they wanted which was destruction of Russian language/religion/culture in Ukraine.
Also endless arguments over who invented borscht.

>I'm just glad no one in my circle of friends/coworkers cares about this war because sperg the fuck out
You would sperg out because you're a dumb kike intentionally misunderstanding basic communication
Fuck you retard. Eat shit and die.

>>520459901
The thing is Soros/USAID has been giving ukrainians free textbooks since the 90s. Another reason Russians were pissed because thier kids were being taught they opressed the poor ukrainians and the books were full of fairy tales like Holdomor.
Funny how every Soros backed candidate in the USA is a piece of shit but the government he picked in ukraine are the best people ever.

>>520453187
Don’t worry. Zelensky just air dropped 11 CIA trained Super soldiers and they’re 360 no scoping all of the orcs in the city as we speak

>>520458873
There's more to genetics than haplogroups. Just looking at their faces tells you that they're different.
>>520458898
No one says this because it's delusional. Everyone knows we send them money and that we're not sending people to fight for us with equipment looted for museums. That sounds like something a zigger would do.
You didn't answer the question. Would you rather see Russia functioning like a European state or like the post-commie despotic shithole Chinese cocksleeve that it is now?

>WW1 tranny still sneeding and malding in a thread about Ukraine
what a pathetic, friendless faggot
>>520460169
Yup. It's almost like the whole concept of Ukraine has been invented in order to try and distract or destabilize Russia in order to weaken their potential impact on European affairs.
And Soros has an extra ax to grind with Russia on account of his NGOs being banned from the country.

>>520459901
>The moment Zele got into power Banderovites "washed" his brains
No, retard. He was literally handpicked and groomed by kikes to become president by saying what people wanted to hear. But then after gaining power, he did the exact opposite. Although, this was actually at the direction of Washington. The Banderites have no real power. They're useful-idiots at best.

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2021/04/are-russia-and-ukraine-sliding-into-war?lang=en&center=russia-eurasia

>>520459655
What came after that? A certain mongoloid decided to revive the JewSSR and destabilize then invade Ukraine. Russia should have been dismantled in the 90s. Bush Sr. and Clinton were complacent.

>what a pathetic, friendless faggot
you're crying about people talking to you when you have more posts than me ITT stupid bitch
fucking reddit brained retard go watch more tiktok shorts dipshit

you're lucky I even graced this thread with my dukey shit presence stupid nigger your skin is a decrepit shade of vantablack fucking nigger.

>>520460562
They even made his fictional TV series party real. People With Little Hats Party.
You see Zelensky immediately dissolved parliment then they pumped massive amounts of Soros/USAID $ for 3 months to elect puppets.

>"you have more posts"
>it's actually 1 more post
Funny, coming from a fellow 20PBTID nigger lmao.
I'm actually engaging with anons and having a great time. Your only contribution for the past 5+ posts has been SNEED.
>>520460562
Whether Zele lied because he always wanted to fuck with Russians or he told the truth and then had a change of mind - what does it matter when the end result is the same?
>They're useful-idiots at best
They are agitators who refuse any kind of peace or territory concessions and have threatened to kill Zelensky and people around him multiple times if he were to try.
But yeah, I am sure they never held any real power despite their outsized participation in escalation violence in during Maidan or the Odessa Tradehouse Massacre.
Nah, they are just some misguided good-ol-boys who dindu muffin.
>>520460366
Thank you for admitting that NAFO trannies are delusional.
>Would you rather see Russia
I'm not Russian so that's not up to me to decide. Russians will chart their own course without any help from (((America))).

>>520460366
>Just looking at their faces tells you that they're different.
Who? Ethnic-Russians? Or like, Bashkirs or Tuvans or Uzbeks or Tatars or something?

Generally-speaking, Russians near Ukraine are basically identical to Ukrainians. The North has more Finno-Ugric ancestry(but they're much more European than Finns). The East varies.

>>520460871
>They are agitators who refuse any kind of peace or territory concessions and have threatened to kill Zelensky and people around him multiple times if he were to try.
Rofl. What you have in every country are elites fighting for power. The Banderites are being funded not only by Washington, but by various kikes within Ukraine(see Kolomoisky) for political purposes. And by political purposes we're really talking about money. Why do you think Kikerainians are dying for the Russian part of Ukraine? That's where the money is.

>>520460886
>Just looking at their faces tells you that they're different.
He's just confused seeing actual white people for the first time in his life as opposed to brownoid mutts.
>>520461088
Of course they are funded. Like no shit.
The difference is that they are an organic pro-nazi separatist movement as opposed to something like ISIS-K which is 100% an invention of glowniggers and kikes.
But in the end who cares? Banderaniggers are being used to keep Zele in line in case he gets second thoughts about THD. It's as simple as that.

>>520451624
Donbass is to Ukraine what Sudetenland was to Czechoslovakia.
Lose it and you're done.

>>520451360 (OP)
That's hoholmaps, literally run directly by Ukrainian military intelligence and has been since the site opened in the mid 2010's.

Very outdated info by design. Check updated maps at better real time sources.

>>520461378
I always get shit for using them but I've used it for a decade so whatever.

>>520452929
>December
We're days away from Pokrovsk-Myrnograd falling.

>>520459062
>Appeared to show signs of progress towards an off ramp to the conflict
That sure aged well!

>>520461378
>The red lines are 0.1 km further on my maps!!!!
>THESE OTHER MAPS HURT MY FEELINGS DON'T LOOK AT THEM!!!!!!!
The cope is beyond delusional

>>520461435
Ukraine kept sending people there to die so why not just dig in and let the enemy come to you?

>>520453672
They used a drone to knock down this flag while a bunch of their soldiers nearby are completely surrounded. All you need to know about Ukrainian tactics in this war

>>520461514
Your cope is delusional.
Imminent capture in the coming week or single digit weeks within hours of each other by coincidence:
Pokrovsk (if it continues at current pace, its days away)
Myrnograd (falls at same time as Pokrovsk due to same sector)
Kupyansk
Vovchansk (Only south side east flank remains, everyone forgot this started up again)

Directly threatened with fighting either on the perimeter or just inside the outermost district of each:
Kostantinovka (confirmed coming from the south, troops already in eastern and southeastern streets of the city)
Kherson city (probings confirmed, landings 100% confirmed on the islands, no geolocations of claimed Russian forces in the city itself. OpSec underway)
Seversk (about to enter the first category)
Lyman (about to enter the first category)

FPV drone domination with insane footage of civilians walking and driving around military targets as if there isn't a war on:
Slavyansk
Kramatorsk
Druzhkovka

Syrksy,Zelensky and ISW: THIS IS ALL OKAY! EVERYTHING IS FINE!

>>520453187
They get killed and Syrsky a.k.a Agent S sends in the next conscript wave with 4 days training to be mercilessly slaughtered by battle hardened Russians.

>>520461435
Why does the AFU never conduct strategic withdrawl? I think everyone knew this was going to happen at least 6 months ago.

>>520453667
Wait until the battle of Rohan happens.

>>520451360 (OP)
How long will it take to establish a stable Russian government after all of Ukraine has been taken?


>Gay ass captcha that felt cool in a low IQ mod'd head

>>520461867
It's very strange Z appointing this guy when he clearly wasn't the right pick for the job. Still, better than Zhalushny or however his name was spelt. Pro Russians would always glaze that guy which is an indication that he was actually even worse than Syrski

>>520461878
Zelensky has stated to hold at all costs.
Its why he refuses everything because as he stated to Trump giving up what remains of Donbass is losing what remains of Ukraine's entire fortress line that remains and the Russians can just surge downhill across wide expanses of open fields for hundreds of miles into long abandoned settlements with no defensive entrenchments due to the terrain favouring the attacker not the defender. The only way to slow them then is manning the entire west bank of the Dnieper river and sacrificing the major cities on the river as defensive zones and Kharkov to a total destruction battle.

>>520461681
By the end of the decade they might capture all of Donbass. Truly the greatest military success in all of history.
Cope.

>>520461878
There's nowhere to retreat. The nearest town suitable for defense is about 100 km behind

>>520461249
>He's just confused seeing actual white people for the first time in his life as opposed to brownoid mutts.
I have no fucking idea wtf you're talking about.

>The difference is that they are an organic pro-nazi separatist movement
There are organic separatist movements everywhere because everyone hates their government. Half of my country wants a Civil War because they hate the other side so fucking much. But you're missing my fucking point. Which is that nothing happens without money. The people pushing Ukrainian nationalism aren't Ukrainian nationalists. They're a bunch of kikes, both in Kiev and in Washington. And their goal is not nationalism, but control. The nationalists are just useful-idiots.

>>520462120
The new donbas line is finished, yet they still choose to hold multiple disadvantageous salients.
The terrain of the steppe is not going to suddenly cause Russia to have lightning advances by itself. If anything the steppe offers less urban and forested cover making attackers more exposed to drones. Military Summary is a fool who makes bombastic claims for views. It is possible that Ukrainian resistance will break due to lack of troops though.

>>520451360 (OP)
You don't pause if you are already in the city.

>>520462597
I more meant push past the cities. Kupiansk and Pokrovsk will fall within the month, and the others are pincered. I have noticed though that the Russians are slow to break out of a new city they capture. They need a lot of time to regroup.

>>520462349
>I have no fucking idea wtf you're talking about.
America is now a white "minority majority" nation. The other anon likely never saw a 100% white person in his life.
>But you're missing my fucking point
You don't have a point. You're just nitpicking with your own private schizo-theory based on smoking meth and schizophrenia.
Who fucking cares if Azov-fags are "useful idiots" or an actual military/political power in Ukraine when the end result is the same?
You're just another typical /pol/-fag who wants to be right while missing the forest for the trees.
>>520461930
>a stable Russian government
Kind of a weird question.
Whatever rump state is left of Ukraine will be ruled by Ukrainians. Russia just wants veto power on who gets into power.

>>520460871
uh-oh the tranime Ivan is madsies

>>520462691
>Whatever rump state is left of Ukraine will be ruled by Ukrainians. Russia just wants veto power on who gets into power.
Russia doesn't give a fuck who is in power as long as they aren't a threat to Russia, and aren't ethnically-cleansing Russians from historically Russian lands. If Ukrainians want to circle-jerk each other in Lwow, go for it.

>>520462096
Zaluzhny was the competent one, he was let down by Zelenskys coke addled retardation,focus on conventional outdated demands and stubbornness. He was sacked because he was the fall guy for the catastrophic defeat in Zaporozhye grand offensive.
He warned Zelensky not to launch the offensive as Ukraine had literally zero air support and nowhere near enough artillery power, drone power and heavy armour to make a breakthrough as the Russians were not to be underestimated in the slightest but Zelensky firmly thought the Russians would fold instantly like the non battle at Kherson city(which was a Surovikin psy op from the very start) or the Russian troop replacement clusterfuck in north and east Kharkov oblast(literally Ukraine's only real military victory in this war and that was September-October 2022) and all effort by the Russians was on the insanely fortified Surovikin line in the Zaporozhye direction, Russia's entire war effort hinged on winning that pivotal battle in the summer of 2023. Ultimately they steamrolled and humiliated the Ukrainian military inflicting 300k casualties(inc <100k KIA) and destroying over 3600 irreplaceable armoured vehicles between 4th June 2023-9th December 2023 all in a tiny 6-11km stretch of land of a planned Ukrainian operation that was to penetrate 190km in 12 days. Every single objective was failed. It was so bad that no one in the west, in the media and the Ukraine has mentioned it since. The surprise reveal and liberal usage of the Russian FAB's utterly changed the war.

He was made Ambassador to the UK and is being headhunted by NATO to be the next Ukrainian president should Ukraine actually survive. He's also very well liked by the UAF.
Zelensky and Zaluzhny have an internal civil war with their own political factions. It's an open secret. Unlike all the other politicians and military leaders that Zelensky has had murdered or imprisoned, he can't get rid of Zaluzhny as he's too high profile and well liked.

>>520462766
Oh hey you restarted your router to get a new IP so you don't look like such a giant hypocritical faggot. Took you long enough!
>>520462858
>Russia doesn't give a fuck who is in power
>...as long as they aren't a threat to Russia...
Oh, ok so Russia totally DOES give a fuck who is in power because they don't want to see a repeat of Minsk/Maidan in the new Ukranny rump state.
GOT IT!
Good talk, nigga.

>>520462991
They don't give a fuck who is in power. But they'll never be in NATO and they won't be allowed to militarize the country.

The issue with Ukraine was because the kikes in Kiev were militarizing the country and ethnically-cleansing Russians.

>>520463188
>kikes in Kiev were militarizing the country and ethnically-cleansing Russians.
Yes, I 'member.

My point is that you are contradicting yourself. Russia does care because they want a durable piss and a permanent settlement.

>>520452972
The war has never stopped during the winter for the past 4 years

>>520463274
No. Russia doesn't need anything except NATO to fuck off and for limits on the size of the Ukrainian Army.

What you fail to understand is that a neutral Ukraine is a pro-Russia Ukraine.

If you want to understand why, go listen to Arestovych.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8

>>520451584
never happening, russian conscripts will keep dying by the truckload while cucktin imports a million jeets to impregnate their daughters

>>520462678
Because the cities are fortresses and enemy holdouts hide in bunkers,tunnels,basements etc and have a fuck ton of IED's,mines and makeshift traps are in every ruin,alleyway and copse of trees. Donbass is just a hellscape of urbanised industrial zones and terrain that heavily favours defenders. It'll be a different war when the operational space opens up.
They learned the lessons the very hard way from the nightmare of the first 10 weeks of the war when they had zero clue what to do and just zerged ahead of settlements with zero rear guard clearing leading to massive casualties and materiel losses to irregular attacks.
Putin was humiliated by his own 'yes men' spy chiefs who lied to him about Ukrainian and NATO capabilities in Ukraine and their willingness to fight, the reality was it wasn't the laughable bunch from 2014 who would have easily been taken over within weeks had Russia invaded then, its entirely possible those men just thought he was bluffing about the war chances and said what he wanted to hear. All those men either disappeared from public view or had accidents in the 12 months after the war began.

Its a very different war and mindset now and has been for a long time. Russia is in no rush. They've done a very clever attritional war that keeps the main fighting contained to a specific 1000km frontline and away from the valuable major cities(which you want as intact as possible) and population centres. It's been a more mobile war for a while now but still contained to specific zones by design. Whether we'll ever see a big arrow offensive again depends entirely on Putin's mindset and his intentions.

>>520453187
Still being glide bombed most likely

>>520463465
What YOU fail to understand is that Ukraine will not be nor remain neutral without active Russian involvement in all levels of life. For a reminder of why this is true please see the 8 years between 2014-2022.

>>520451360 (OP)
>start a war to “protect Russia” from foreigners
>hire North Korean soldiers to protect your local regions
>sell out your land to the Chinese to afford the war

Lmao, Russia is losing their Russian land to China one contract at a time.

Screencap this shit jewkraine is a failed state without functioning command by march.

>>520463274
Let me put it another way. Why was America pumping tens of billions of dollars into Ukraine? What was George Soros doing? What was Victoria Nuland doing? Why did she say "Fuck the EU"? Why were we willing to risk WWIII over Ukraine? To put in simply, what was all that money for?

The problem Ukraine faced was that, the only reason America was pumping massive amounts of money into Ukraine(and the rest of Eastern Europe for that matter) is because we want to use them against Russia. If Ukraine can't be militarized and/or become a member of NATO, they're useless to America, so why would we fund them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZLFmpLDPk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HrccCDPhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcj8xN2UDKc

A neutral Ukraine would lose its funding from the West, and trying to defend itself it would go bankrupt and Zelenskike would be overthrown.

Thus a neutral Ukraine is not only a pro-Russian Ukraine, but a neutral Ukraine essentially secures Russia's Western border and allows it to focus more of its resources on developing its economy, and to buy off Europe. Thus, the loss of Ukraine to Russia, in time, would be the loss to Europe to Russia, and the dissolution of NATO.

This is why America has acted with utter recklessness. Time isn't on our side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742k

>>520451360 (OP)
They can’t stop now with the last line of defense in the Donetsk region just ahead they need to reach it by end of winter and will be in a position to end the slaughter.

>>520463658
Russia wants to Finlandize Ukraine. It wants to Finlandize all of Europe for that matter. It doesn't give a fuck who runs Ukraine because whatever rump state is left in Ukraine will be an impoverished shithole which will have no choice but to look to Russia. Basically, Russia wants to buy off Ukraine, and Germany, and Hungary, and Slovakia, and Bulgaria, and Austria, etc. Because Russia has the resources. Without which, Europe is a third-world country.

>>520464128
Ironic seeing as Russia is the shithole for the “Resource nation” that it is.

>>520453187
According to Ukrainian telegram less than 10% of Pork Roast remains.

>>520464224
>Ironic seeing as Russia is the shithole for the “Resource nation” that it is.
Russia deindustrialized as a strategy to buy off Germany you fucking moron. How do you think the global works you fucking imbecile? Do you actually think it's the product of free-market competition? No, countries are "cut in" on markets, resources, etc, and are otherwise subsidized to buy off their loyalty. Why the fuck do you think TSMC is in Taiwan with fucking Dutch technology that was actually by the United States in partnership with all of our major corporations. The global economy is a managed economy and the winners and losers are decided by the great powers who buy off everyone else(called influence).

Basically, the world is a bunch of cartels fighting for territory(markets) and resources(supply).

>>520463898
I agree with everything you wrote. Why are we arguing again?
>>520464128
Oh ok I see now. We are arguing over semantics of what does it mean for Russia to """care""" about a nation's politics (internal or external) as long as said nation is not being used as a NATO base (whether openly or covertly).

If you want to say that Russia "doesn't care" as long as states follow the "Austria Model" then I agree. I still see this as "caring", but again - semantics. The same kind of semantics that kikes use to turn white men against each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Neutrality
>>520464224
>Russia is a shithole
>says the wectoid faggot who has never visited the country
Many such cases.

>>520463568
There are no Russian conscripts in the war. They are all volunteers known as contract soldiers on a Roman inspired bounty system. Its a way to avoid mobilisation. Russia hasn't had a mobilisation wave since November 2022 and yet the army is now 6.5x larger than it was in Feb 2022 with fully fresh army groups to cycle tired ones and active personnel across all branches will hit 1.5 million by Spring 2026.

Ukraine however does have literal conscripts kidnapped off the street. Their troops aren't being replaced properly and huge gaps are opening.

Regarding that specific webm, those were mostly unarmed or lightly armed green kids on their border guard duties. Conscription in Russia is a very boring period that everyone has to do for 12 months. Most of it is usually drill and then 4 months on border guard, train guard and port guard duties sitting in bases, its not what you think it is and is done in phases. Only volunteers who choose to stay on do combat training. They stood zero chance against multiple fully equipped and experienced Ukrainian NATO mechanised brigades with several hundred T72's,T62's, Humvees, MRAP's, Challengers,Leopards,Abrams, Bradleys and Strykers rolling into the open plains of Kursk oblast.

Over 90% of the PoW's that Ukraine took were also conscript kids aged 18-21. It was a major scandal in Russia with questions asked as to why conscripts were still being sent into border regions instead of elsewhere in Russia. It was clearly just basic security on the cheap that Russia had to pay for in blood and materiel losses with what an initial clusterfuck it was.

Ultimately the Kursk adventure was another Ukrainian catastrophic defeat that got bogged down and stuck just 6 days into the surprise offensive as Russian reinforcements rapidly responded in force via the interior groups pouring in from Moscow and Belgorod region at high speed The Kursk adventure to Ukraine was the equivalent of the Ardennes offensive for Germany.

>>520463606
Do you think they move to surround Kramatorsk and Sloviansk in a giant pincer or will they go straight for them after the cities I mentioned in the OP fall? I feel like Russia will take everything in the Donbas before the go for those cities as a final push with more slow methodical attritional warfare.

>>520464479
>Oh ok I see now. We are arguing over semantics of what does it mean for Russia to """care""" about a nation's politics (internal or external) as long as said nation is not being used as a NATO base (whether openly or covertly).
Yes, not only a NATO base, but also militarization. Do you actually understand why Russia lost the Cold War? Do you understand why America wants to push NATO? Go read the RAND report.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

The goal is essentially to bankrupt the Russians by forcing them to overspend on their military to protect from threats from NATO, China, and the Middle-East. This is why we've been trying to encircle them. Not only in Europe, but also in Georgia, and in Central Asia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8LMwNCt2w&t=2011s

>>520464536
didnt read

>>520465369
Yeah and its why you've lost the war. Reality hurts.

>>520464479
>>520464779
Russia lost the Cold War because of the Sino-Soviet split. The United States helped build China up to scare the fuck out of the Soviets. This is why Russia began building pipelines to Europe. The goal was to buy Germany off while becoming a completely non-ideological country as to no longer be a threat to the European elite. This is why Russia was constantly crybabying about NATO expansion and indivisible security while also agreeing to basically a 95% reduction in nuclear weapons.

Russia's #1 goal for the last 45 years is to replace America in Europe. The United States cannot allow that to happen so the United States is constantly trying to provoke Russia and encircle them. If we hadn't started the war, we would have lost Europe. It was inevitable. Why do you think we blew up Nord Stream?

Furthermore, if Russia isn't subordinated, we can do nothing about China. We might as well pull back into the Western Hemisphere and let Russia and China go back to being enemies.

>>520464536
>no Russian conscripts in the war
Mobilized personnel are part of the war on Russia's side from 2022. Yes, this is different from conscription (conscripts are only stationed inside Russia and only used to defend their pre-war territory) but most westerners won't care about the distinction.
>Regarding that specific webm
As far as any information came out those were conscripts who got flattened by rocket artillery because their commander was a fucking retard who thought you could cluster dozens of soldiers in the drone age and face zero consequences. There is no info on whether these guys were ever meant to be deployed against the Kursk invaders.
>>520465759
> we would have lost Europe
I don't see that happening at all given that European elites (the ones who actually call the shots despite all the VOOOOOOTING) still hated Russia.
Cheap Russian energy? Great.
Treating Russians as human beings? LMAO NEIN.

>>520465927
>I don't see that happening at all given that European elites (the ones who actually call the shots despite all the VOOOOOOTING) still hated Russia.
Germany was practically already in Russia's pocket. And with Germany, comes Europe, because there is no Europe without Germany, and there is no German industry without Russia.

>>520465927
>>520466027
Europe has no future without Russia. It must either ally with Russia, or destroy it. The alternative is oblivion.

>>520464536
Good post

>>520465759
>>520464536
Thanks for the QRD glowniggers, i just got a little smarter.

>>520464465
>Russia deindustrialized as a strategy to buy off Germany you fucking moron

LMAO. Cope. Is this why they have done nothing with any of their domestic industries? Fucking retard, you think they moved on from oil money, you disingenuous shill retard???

>>520451360 (OP)
Jewtin is losing

>>520466949
>Is this why they have done nothing with any of their domestic industries? Fucking retard, you think they moved on from oil money, you disingenuous shill retard???
What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, Russia has resources, nigger. Which is why it doesn't need industry to survive. Germany has no resources. Germany will literally starve to death without resources. Europeans are terrified of Russia because it has too much potential.

Thus the question is, under what conditions can the Europeans let Russia in? Or more specifically, on what conditions would the Europeans prefer Russia to America?

Russia needs Europe. And Europe needs Russia. But Europeans don't want to be dominated by Russia, and Russia doesn't want to be subordinated to Europe. It needs to be a mutually-beneficial relationship.

>>520456688
Why lie?

This war is phoney, Russia could end the whole thing if they just attacked Kyiv again and took it. Instead we get this long drawn out war. It might make sense of Russia intends to use it to demilitarize NATO as a whole, probably why the U.S is pulling back aid since they started to realise what the Russians were up to.

>>520451360 (OP)
Winter offensive , russia currently produces 2700 shahed drones , it's gonna be a cooooold winter for the hohols

>>520453672
Never underestimate the budanov and the penis piano player

>>520461878
Conscripts fight harder when they’re surrounded and can’t flee.

>>520457918
Lol