>>530310136
Fortunately Toby Fox is a good writer and unlike the losers on here is not motivated entirely by projecting about his parents' divorce

>>530297321
I was always an "Undertale characters won't be that important" guy but Chapter 4 is SCREAMING at you that Asgore is deeply involved in this
And if Toby's going to directly retread something from Undertale then "Asgore and Flowey as the '''final''' boss before shit really hits the fan" would be the perfect way to do it

>>714122883
Yeah but this would be paralleling Undertale (kino) and raising the stakes by imperiling a Lightner (a real person and part of Kris's family) and it would be thematically appropriate to see someone fall victim to their obsession with the past that the game is cautioning against

>>713936870
>* Someone who goes to church... who knows the mayor...
>* Who also has something to do with the cops?
>* ... Who the hell could that be?
From our perspective we assume this is pointing toward Asgore (which is true), but more generally it implicates the entire Dreemurr + Holiday family in the conspiracy. Susie doesn't realize this because she doesn't know Asgore was the Chief of Police, and she's mistakenly assuming that the Delta Rune = Church when it actually means the Dreemurrs, in the same way that the Pine Tree = The Holidays.
There's a lot of different ways this could have played out (was the lock already on the door and Dess and Kris stole the codes from their parents to explore? was the lock not installed until after Dess disappeared, and so maybe the police code was always Undyne's?) but I think either way the current situation is that Asgore somehow found out the other two codes and told Carol, who now has personal access to the Shelter and is trying to get rid of the other people who know the codes so they don't get leaked to (You).
I don't think kidnapping Undyne was strictly necessary, since anyone who wants to get in needs all three codes and denying them just one keeps them out, but I think Kris set Undyne up to be taken to keep Toriel out of harm's way. The Knight (who is Dess) was also in on this and let Kris and Tenna stall for as long as they could to wait for Undyne to show up so they could take her instead of Toriel.
The Church fountain was just another setup to kidnap Toriel, but she cancelled choir practice because of the rain, so it was basically a waste of time. The Knight and Kris both know Toriel isn't there, so they have no objective and they didn't really want to take her anyway. The Knight is just having fun toying with them and testing them, culminating in summoning a single Titan to see if they can take it down.
>THE KNIGHT WHICH MAKES WITH BLACKENED KNIFE.
>SHALL DUEL WITH HEROES STRIFE BY STRIFE.

>>713854258
He's also presented in sequence with Queen and Tenna, and the Flower King is his shop,
He's obviously the "ruler," the secret boss will be Deltarune Flowey, and it will be kino

>>528192853
>I suspect something dreadful will happen to Susie, Ralsei or perhaps Rudy in C5.
What about the guy the Chapter is actually about?

>>713062621
I think 4 broke the "formula," we're not getting any more Chapters where we spend most of the time with a silly goofy bad guy
5 will probably be similar to 4, the Festival is a clear opportunity for an extended Light World segment at the start but shit's going to get real at some point and I don't imagine that the Flower King Dark World will be much more pleasant than the Church was (even if it's not quite as dark and oppressive).

>>713042820
>Asgore will get a bone throne his way I'm sure but he's not gonna be a fountain ruler or anything like that.
This prophecy is listed immediately after Queen's and Tenna's in the files
We know Asgore has some involvement in the conspiracy, if anyone is "reprising their role" from Undertale, it's him.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if Chapter 6+ has us confronting Carol in the Dark World either, she's gonna use that black katana at some point.