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A thread for discussing the Star Wars franchise and its various media and tabletop games.

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Thread Question: Anybody want some pizza rolls? Some of them fell on the floor but you can wipe the stuff off, it's fine.

post waifu material

>>96396481 (OP)
Why did you make this thread? Let it die.

>>96396613
assignment understood.

Jeje tiny feet

>>96396481 (OP)
Show me your terrain pieces, /tg. Let me shamelessly steal your ideas.

Does anyone know any good pre-written (official or otherwise) adventures I could use for an Edge of the Empire one shot? Preferably something one and done in 4-7 hours.

I usually write my own stuff, but I've been slammed with work and only have a few days to put something together.

>>96396613
Not a waifu but something far better.

>Luthen: "We need to start a fire. Amplify the contradictions, provoke a reaction...we just need one spark..."
>Saw, huffing gas: "I just captured an Imperial base. My men are using it as a regional headquarters as we recruit disaffected peasants from the countryside."

>>96399437
>"What? CAPTURING the base? Then how are we going to provoke an authoritarian reaction, moron?"

>>96398955
What is the general idea/adventure do you want to play. These threads last several days.

>>96399805
Something with a 60% combat to 40% social/roleplay encounter balance.
Also an adventure that gets the theme across well as two of the players will be trying EotE for the first time, but not too basic (like Escape from Mos Shuuta in the beginner box) so it doesn't bore the other three players who are vets of the campaign I ran with them.
I have the Debts to Pay adventure from the GM Kit that I never got around to running, but I wasn't sure if the horror angle would be off-putting to the newbies or if there were better options out there.

>>96398976
>Not a waifu
Wrong.

>>96396481 (OP)
>Anybody want some pizza rolls? Some of them fell on the floor but you can wipe the stuff off, it's fine.
No, but dibs on the boxes.

>>96400384
>EotE, Debts to Pay
Debts to pay is probably the best bet for the 6:4 ratio. It begins with a short social interaction with Bargos, followed by exploration, combat, then a briefing social interaction. If you want more combat you can easily added in the mine with more traps and droids. You can even make the mines bigger with multiple floors if you want. It's not really much of a horror either, as it's just an abandoned building with corpses.

I didnt bother making a new thread because the past few have been awful, just the same retards arguing about the same shit. There is like 5 people talking about games, this thread seems ok so far but im sure it will go to shit.

Anyway, having trouble getting new people into the lgs for games it sucks. People would rather play warmachine than any star wars games.

>>96398178
Why are they so popular in nuStar Wars material? The game is technically EU

>>96398178
Hope these guys dont break the meta. Don't know what the fuck they were thinking and the fact that they used to be even stronger in testing is wild to me. Must be a massive clonefag designing them, I'd say a republic commandofag but Boss has the wrong guns.

>>96401266
Because Disneywars has no badasses of its own, and the fact that the unit is *technically* canon due to a momentary cameo in TCW is a way for the Disneymom-tier simps for the new shit who still have the tiny shred of self-awareness left to recognise the inferiority of their canon to steal that little brief flicker of masculinity from the real Star Wars.

>>96396481 (OP)
Is the new plinkett video even worth watching? (putting it on in the background while I do other things)

>>96396613
Ok

>>96396613
>WDKMS
yeah

>>96401680
Not particularly, it's mostly whining about chickens coming home to roost on the JJ Abrams Star Wars predictions, barely reheated jokes from the original videos, and complaints about the youth alongside Mike's opinion on Star Wars expanded media coming from a fan who until recently only cared about the Films.

>>96401680
RLM has never been worth watching or even putting in the background. I just wish I knew more pro-EU fans, there's this guy with a JJ Funko Pop avatar who is ironically extremely pro-Eu and anti-Disney, but I can't find many more consistent Disney bashers that aren't the big ones I've already watched like Mauler or EFAP

I still cant get over the moron who tried to argue droids aren't slaves last thread.

What's are examples of star wars media illiteracy that you've encountered? My mom for the longest time thought stormtroopers were robots.

>>96404208
Droids aren't slaves. They are not organic. They have no Force. They have no souls. They don't have real consciousness. They are just programmed. They are, ultimately, just equipment. It's basic HUMAN decency to be nice to them, because they are useful. You don't have to be mean to them. Do you consider ChatGPT a slave? Fucking retard.

>>96396481 (OP)
Instead of trying to bring back your retarded slapfight from last threads, tell us about /your dude/ in the GCW.
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/customizable-imperial-officer-agent/
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/customizable-rebel-officer-agent/
How does he fight or leads his troops? What's his backstory?
Lot of different officers or agents you can build with that.

>>96401680

It's mostly him mocking Star Wars Corporate Slop and reluctantly admitting that the prequels, while bad, were still an artistic, if flawed, vision + typical criticism of cultish behaviour of some fans. Also his endless praise for Andor. On the minus side, he praised the Acolyte for trying something new and compares them to the prequels saying "if the prequels were good, so is the Acolyte" (although that could be trolling prequel fans). I suspect Mike made this video because Rich hasn't finished watching Andor Season 2.

>>96404616
>>96404809
An Imps

>>96404662
TLDR faggot doesn't want to admit that he bashed the PT extremely unfairly with bullshit, easily disprovable points just so he could hop on the existing PT hate bandwagon with an AVGN-style video, and instead sucks Andor's cock (unsurprising) and tries to dunk on Prequel fans again by using a dogshit show as propaganda.
It's so fucking funny that these losers were the ones who popularized the consooomer meme when they're absolutely consumers themselves. They worshiped the ST until it became popular to hate them. Then they tried to bash Rogue One but that failed because people liked Rogue One. And now they're licking Andor's boot even though Andor is shit and not even close to real Star Wars. All because they can't fucking admit that they were baiting people and that the Prequels are infinitely better than anything Disney has put out as well as being on par and sometimes better than the OT.

>>96404809
>>96404828
Legionbros... we won

>>96404809
Ants. Ants, I say.

I appreciate the prequels including every necessary archetype of fat dude.
Jolly, Gross, Avuncular, and Orson Welles.

>>96401680
>plinkett
>worth watching
Unless you want misinfo and dishonesty or bad jokes? What can they provide? A lack of self-awareness?

>>96396481 (OP)
If it weren't for this guy helping Cal keep together and Cal was found by opportunists, Cal could've ended up being as bad as Cade was before his character development.

R2-D2's introduction in The Phantom Menace works on its own terms because up to this point in the film all the droids we've encountered have been portrayed as expendable, malicious, and/or stupid. Also of some note is that we don't just immediately and arbitrarily cut to the astro droids. There's a justification in that Obi-Wan has to his exasperation been put on Jar Jar duty and has to stow him somewhere, so then Jar Jar tries to make friends with the other servants. And then Padme gets sent down to the droid hold to clean R2, because she's disguised as a servant, and that's how she meets Jar Jar. This meeting later proves pivotal when she reveals herself to be the Queen, and simultaneously declares herself Boss Nass's "humble servant."

>>96400747
I read through it today and you were right. I think when I originally read it years ago I had ideas of making the facility freakier than it's actually written out to be, but I never ended up fitting it into my campaign.
Anyhow, I'll go ahead and run it. Although the PCs are fairly experienced so I need to make it tougher toward the end with more droids and perhaps add in traps too as you suggested.
I'm also going to remove the Gamorrean fight in the beginning as it seems like a pointless time waster.

>>96401680
Given the amount of seethe its causing here, absolutely.

>>96406200
I always find boss nas’s head shake to be giggle worthy. Especially on a loop.

>>96405697
Here (You) go
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/customizable-rebel-officer-agent/
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/customizable-imperial-officer-agent/

hehe~

>Be me replaying Battle of Hoth
Does anyone feel that the AT-AT, as cool as it looks, kinda sucks in design? I kinda get tall height to intimidate and gain LoS for fire, but the shit feels so vulnerable without any point-defense weapons especially in the "under belly." I mean like this battle alone had two expensive assets get fucked by militarized speeders flying low with harpoons, and a kid breaching a hatch to plant a thermal detonator. I guess the plan is for the AT-ST to escort them, but as a dedicated troop transport I think there are better choices...

>>96404379
The most advanced droids are fully capable of conscious thought, have emotions, and have a sense of self-preservation. They behave like organics in practically all manners. Sure, they have processors instead of brains, but when you get down to it a brain is just a system for processing data using electric and chemical signals between nerve cells, which isn't really all that different from a processor in function, just in material and construction.
And when it comes to the Force, 99% of organics have so weak connection to the Force that it has no practical effect. The ones actually able to sense the will of the Force or do fancy stuff like telekinesis or shooting lightning are a vanishingly tiny minority.

>>96408331
Mental illness. Star Wars droids aren't replicants. They aren't synths from Alien. They are glorified tosters. They are not organic. They have no midi-chlorians. Therefore, in Star Wars, they are not even alive. Just shut the fuck up, you utter fucking retard.

>>96408316
In an universe where things explode in space and space wizards use swords to settle their diffference instead of hurling cinder blocks at each other, I'll take tanks on chicken legs

>>96406200
>Avuncular
>"kind and friendly towards a younger or less experienced person"

Today I learnt a new word.

I like when the force is mystical

and not shit like the whills or whatever, i'm talking when a force user shows up and they're presented as somewhat mystical because the force does not really abide by natural law

>>96408974
I like that idea, since I'm kinda fond of the idea of a jedi showing up means that you have mcfuckedup on an abstract scale and probably won't survive this, in the way that a bunch of older material hinted at

>>96408974
>and not shit like the whills
they just wrote some scrolls, no hate pls

>>96401578
Correct
>>96399437
Saw is pretty cool before he goes mad, thoughbeit

>>96411287
>one (1) adult male character
hmmmmm

>>96411395
Are you retarded?

>>96410900
saw got tech killed because he's shortsighted and impatient so he can go fuck himself

>muh tech
No one cares about that walking cliché non-character. Killing Tarkin and Krennic would have dealt a crippling blow to the Empire and set it back for years. But Bad Batch was written by a moronic woman for moronic women, so they don't understand basic military strategy.

>>96411395
>anime
>adult males who aren't either bland, passive or both
Not since the late 90s.
Also what about the 2 Stormtrooper dudes?
>>96411287
Curious to see how it'll turn out, Visions S1 was pretty good.
The Duel sequel should be pretty good action despite being ridiculously over-the-top while 9th Jedi 2 and Village Bride 2 should be cool.

>>96411287
Man I can’t wait for more F content.

>>96408316
>as a dedicated troop transport I think there are better choices
It's a walking assault gun with transport capacity. Its purpose is to walk through heavy fire to get the big chin weapons lined up on fortifications (shield generators on Hoth) that need to be breached or destroyed. Troop transport is so there's someone ready to go through the holes the big guns open up. It makes enough sense as setting military tech goes, but probably needs air support or better AA capability (not having turrets on top is weird, as is lack of Imp fighter support on Hoth). Usage as defense patrol units on Endor was much more questionable since it's an extremely linear platform only suited to direct attack and maybe ambush, with the latter unlikely given its size. Maybe Goraxes were throwing around smaller vehicles, though.

>>96411952
>probably needs air support or better AA capability
Agree.
Rogue One's battles are bullshit. Looks cool but bullshit.

Anybody play the FFG tabletop? is Scathing Tirade as broken as it looks? I already have a Force Rating of 2 and the Influence power which I assume can be used with it

>>96408316
>>96411952
That spacious interior could be used well to add some side-mounted blaster cannons. Would probably cut transport space a bit, but in exchange for filling the blind spots...

>>96411287
9th Jedi sequel, let's gooooo

>>96413071
Against minions and rivals strain damage is equivalent to inflicting direct wounds, so it can be pretty helpful as a source of cheap splash damage.

>>96413071
it absolutely is. you literally start yelling and all the goons in any given encounter get so assblasted they have heart attacks

>>96411287
No sequel to "Lop and Ocho" from Visions 1? I was hoping for more bunny alien.

does that mean I can
spend 1 strain: Maneuver: Scathing Tirade
spend 2 strain: additional maneuver
spend 1 strain: Maneuver: Scathing Tirade
Action: Scathing Tirade
and even against our biggest rivals it stays average difficulty? I have 6 willpower and 5 coercion, with 2 force die from influence that's anywhere from like 5 to 15 strain per use, so an average of like 30ish unsoakable unopposable strain to someone if I spend all the advantage results on one guy? by the force

>>96413411
yes, because those rules are not very well thought out

>>96413411
It's like a DnD Bard insulting people to death.

>>96413411
>check the official stat blocks
>Darth Vader's strain threshold: 19
>Count Dooku: 20
>Emperor Palpatine: 25
jesus fucking christ they put zero thought into balancing this shit. imagine being the dark lord of the sith and getting oneshot because you got unlucky on the initiative roll and some bozo calls you a big dumb poopoo head. as a GM you'd just have to intervene and say that using that against a Nemesis is more difficult than Average

>>96413411
I mean if you've got a 6 in ANY of your characteristics you're gonna be a terror in FFG.

>>96411287
Bottom right looks like she’d give a mean blowjob.

>>96414174
Your right or my right?

>>96401680
It's not a real Plinkett video. It's not even a review of anything. It's not funny or entertaining skit-based commentary. It's just Mike soapboxing for an hour about how the prequels were dogshit, Disney is dogshit, and the fans are also dogshit for liking the prequels but not the Acolyte.

>>96413411
>5 to 15 strain per use
How'd you get 15? With that dice pool it's an average of about 2.5 net advantage and 1.3 light side points, so rounding up that would be 6 strain per use (18 total if you spend your whole turn shitposting someone to death). It's still really good but it's not that good.

>>96401680
Its mildly amusing but presents no new information. If you like RLM, you'll like this video.

The main takeaway from the video isn't "maybe Acolyte was good actually" that many seem to have gotten, the takeaway should be "complaining about petty details isn't what makes media good or bad."

However, beneath that I think RLM is just trying very hard to thread a needle that keeps them from being lumped in with Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker and others that would categorise them more clearly in some youtube "culture war" than they already have been. Something they shouldn't really worry about because their production quality is much higher than petty podcasters.

>>96414349
Mike is having a rough time these days. I don't blame him for falling into a rut as a creator, everyone does, but this video felt like a cry for help rather than a well-thought out critique of Star Wars's current situation.

>>96414319
My character is a Zabrak so I'm getting 1 free advantage on coercion checks, and I'm not a light side user so all pips are valid, and even if I were, I'd happily accept strain and morality to use dark pips. I may have done the math wrong but my feeling is that for an average difficulty check which is just 2 purple dice, the average number of advantages from among 5 yellow dice plus 1 green die would be higher than 2.5. though to be fair, I was kinda just being monke brained and taking the average between the worst possible result while still succeeding and the best possible result. now that I think about it though, worst possible result while still succeeding is 4 strain (1 from the success, 1 from Zabrak, 2 from force die) and the best possible result is 17 (1 from success, 11 from coercion die advantages, 1 from Zabrak, 4 from force die). if you're correct, the average may not be impressive, but that average is still sufficient to completely incapacitate nearly any Nemesis-level threat in a single turn with no counterplay from medium distance, with a ceiling of doing that to multiple Nemesis-level threats in a single turn.

Has anyone else read the Star Wars fan fiction by Kirkbride et. al? I quite enjoyed it. It was made in 1999, which makes the melding of Episode I stuff and pre-prequels EU very interesting.

Had a WEG guy (Steve Gilbert) work on it too. Of course, Ken Rolston also had been a guy for almost every TTRPG company including WEG.

I just saw that Star Trek was the 22o most played RPG at Gen Con with 22 tables. D&D was number 1 with 1307. Star Wars doesn't even appear inbetween. What happened?

>>96414564
When was the last time an RPG supplement released? When was the last time the brand was doing great?

>>96414569
>When was the last time the brand was doing great?
Few months ago, with Andor, wich actually has very RPG-like situations.

>>96396613
Darth Talon.
She's basically the mascot of Star Wars Legends at this point on account of being good coombait.

>>96414580
Unfortunately the game is not being supported much if at all though.

That's just as, if not more, important.

>>96414551
no, but I would like to. got a link?

>>96414645
I originally grabbed it off his site on the Wayback Machine, but looks like someone put the pdf's in archive now.

Link: https://archive.org/details/mk-star-wars-rebellion

>>96414784
thanks boss, I have a weird thing for antique fanfiction

>>96414788
Among the chits in this image from the site are silhouettes of some of the characters. (Didn't know this until now actually, just figured I'd post what there was on the site, since it isn't too much)

>>96414811
God, this takes me way back to being a kid at the tail end of the Geocities era

>>96414826
I was there just in time for the end. I'd always find cool sites with interesting stuff someone had collected or created. Only for it to be gone when I'd look months later.

All that... Media... Is now lost to time.


Fuck, I'm kinda sad now, I have need for a drink.

>>96414862
yeah. I was and still am into a lot of 80s RPGs, and the end of geocities meant about 90% of content for those games was just gone
got ghosts in my head seeking revenge, think I'll also have another drink

>>96396613
my last character accidentally fell in love with her and they got mando married.

granted, most of that happened off screen/in "fade to black" style rp, but it was an interesting turn of events

>roommate was asking me about a good entry on star wars novels
>told him about the the Rogue/Wraith Squadron series, pulled the first handful of the series out of my box of books and leave them on his desk
anyone else have any suggestions for good introductions for the EU? buddy prefers physical stuff, but access to the internet being what it is, i'll be able to provide him pretty much anything

>>96398560
Very huggable

>>96399437
the talk about disney needing to reach young male audiences made me realize something: saw and luthen were what the rebel alliance desperately needed to be marketable.

the gay inclusive graffiti rebels shit that disney was pushing was not working.
no straight male teen is going to look at sabine and think that shit is cool.
no one is going to look at poe and finn be retards and
>wow that is so cool i want to buy rebel alliance ("resistance") merch now.
no. they want cool army shit.

so they look to the empire and see cool armored soldiers.
except disney was also pushing that these cool armored dudes suck ass and are incompetent chuds.
>ok. well i don't want to buy chud merch but i don't want gay merch.

so no shit an entire gen turned to the clone wars. the last bastion of masculinity in star wars (funny in retrospect with how neutered the clones became with microchip lore but w/e) in star wars. that or they just said star wars sucks dick.

the eu never had this problem because the rebellion in the eu had that classic heroism vibe. when you see old kyle, wedge and luke you get that classic swashbuckling adventure vibe. robin hood. peter pan. we are the good guys and we are going to stop the evil bad guys.

obviously disney changed the rebel vs empire narrative from fun campy adventure to #RESIST #REBEL #FUCKFASCISM

and surprise nobody wanted to touch that shit with a ten foot pole. the rebellion was no longer cool. the empire were fucking retards.

so yes andor was necessary to pump masculinity back into the series. the rebels? they're fucking terrorists. just scumbag pieces of shit that want to be your average irish citizen and put bombs in speeders. fuck yeah. the empire? they're hitler. spies. hitler spies. with evil murder robots that kill minorities. happy chuds?
yes we said as we watched tarkin's parking lot massacre unfold and finally the galactic civil war became cool again and we could cheer on luke.....

>>96415511
clearly the rebellion and it's cells are being presented as directly inspired by IRL resistance groups such as the french resistance during WW2 and the mujahadeen, resisting imperialist occupation

given that the OG rebels were inspired by the vietcong, this perfectly fits

>>96415653
so no wonder its topical and relevant as we have an IRL group resisting imperialist occupation as we speak

>>96414349
>complaining about petty details isn't what makes media good or bad
So he’s deleted the original reviews and like fifty other videos he’s made, right?

>>96415511
Tabletop games?

>>96404954
I cant get over how limp wristed their review of Rise of Skywalker was. Probably because Disney did everything they asked for (like bring back JJ Abrams) and it made for an infinitely worse film. And rather than admit their earlier ideas weren't as good as they thought, so they never really tear into it like it deserves.

It also feels so weird to still carry an ace for the prequels. Like or dont like them, but theres zero reason to begrudge those that do.

>>96413391
I need more bunny girl incest in my life.

>>96414349
They certainly road that wagon, but I dont think they're actual culture warriors. They just wanted to ride thr algorithm. But at the same time I think they dont have enough shamelessness to be enslaved by it.

What would be intellectually honest would be for them to systematically revisit the whole series to separate the hype from the substance, but they won't do that either.

>>96415511
>no straight male teen is going to look at sabine and think that shit is cool
I have mees for you anon. You aren't straight.

I do agree goid guys need a GI Joe aesthetic. That's why people loved the Mando stuff. Yes uniforms are representative of the subsumation of the individual. They also look cool.

I do think you are overstating the masculinity thing. But not entirely. I'd say it's less 'we must choose salad or steak' and more 'let's have salad AND steak for those that want it'

>>96408316
>a kid breaching a hatch to plant a thermal detonator
To be fair, most rebels wouldn't be carrying around a lightsaber that could cut into the underside of the transport

>>96413411
I have a guy who does this in my game, it is about as effective as just shooting people, just flavored differently. We usually flavor it as people surrendering

>>96418471

real

>>96415511
>>96418535
We need generic faceless armored male soldiers & Sex Goddesses in skimpy clothes.

>>96418535
Thinking something is *hot* and thinking it's *cool* is not the same. You want to do the former, you want to *be* the latter - the only little boys out there who see a poncy purplehaired artist girl and think "literally me" are poofters.

>>96420292
I think you're overstating things, but I agree, Disney needs to give the Rebels/New Republic a cool helmet.

I do think also, on trying to find new audiences they sort of tried reinventing the wheel. Andors grit definitely attracted people. Plus- Star Wars is based on plenty of old-school stories- so old school themes dont need to be avoided.

I wouldn't say 'Luthen is a masculine icon', but I would say his relationship with Andor is... well male coded is obviously the wrong phrase but you know what I mean. The point is its good and compelling, and theres no reason not to do more stuff.

Heck- I'll also agree the Clones are compelling to a lot of people because the themes on soldiers and the military appeal to a lot of masculine fantasies. Same with like any good space marine story.

But going so far as to say 'ew an alt chick with guns and cool armor, get it away from me, it has a vagina' is getting cringe.

>>96420478
>But going so far as to say 'ew an alt chick with guns and cool armor, get it away from me, it has a vagina' is getting cringe.
Have to admit I can kind of get it it's just some mary sue but when people start acting like everything with a female focus cast needs a prominent male lead makes them sound like a closeted fag.
I mean bro I don't like bad writing not girls.

How would the D6 stats look like for this bad boy? I'm brainstorming a probable deck plan for it, the ability to just hold shit or a cargo pod on top, plus its 90m length makes it seem pretty versatile for shenanigans.
Also do you all think the interiors of the cargo pods on the BFF-1 are accessable via interior gangways or not? I had seen a deck plan that mentions them being a possible mod.

>>96421440
The outrage industry isn't allowed to differentiate the two. And then you get the midwits buying into it.

To them writing isn't a scale of well done and terribly done, it's a checklist of virtue signals for the correct tribe, or the wrong tribe.

>>96421638
I'd say the thing can carry two or even three cargo pods, one on the roof and one or two under the belly.
Access to the pods probably depends on the pods, having an air lock in place on the ship just seems like a good idea.

If anything, the main drawback should be that this type of ship is not meant to carry internal cargo, and probably handles like a pig in atmo and during landing.

>>96422814
Yeah, I sorta had the idea in mind that it's big plus is that compared to other cargo pod using ships it can actually enter atmosphere and maneuver, even if sluggishly compared to other ships, quite well with pods mounted on it. It sorta occupied a middle ground between heavy and light freighters.

>>96421440
>I mean bro I don't like bad writing not girls.
See Nu-Wars actually had potential as the 2 main protagonist is:
>Orphan force sensitive who has no past (secretly the emperor's descendant)
>Child Soldier traitor who doesn't want to be a soldier
Writing & plot sucked, but there was good chemistry between Ray and Finn that was kinda endearing especially in the first half of episode 7. If this was a longer and kept it as a sidestory to the original setting I think it would of worked.
Replace the New Order as a small Imperial Remanent that's desperate and bitter, so they're even using children. Or maybe even Finn's parents were diehard loyalists, so he's born into it.
Have the Remanent, New Republic, and others search for the potential successor to the emperor for various reasons; making Ray into a mystery Maguffin.
Have Ray confused as fuck on why she's getting hunted, and meet Finn who himself doesn't know and have a moral dilemma about it.
Two decide to fuck it and run away; exploring the SW galaxy while at it.

>>96416679
Seems shit compared to look shit like the Sentinel-class.

>>96423002
Honestly the low poly model looks better than this >>96416679

>>96423014
I don't understand why yet another transport is needed when the Sentinel does everything it does, but better.

>>96422932
>It sorta occupied a middle ground between heavy and light freighters.
Absolutely.
If you want some ideas for what is where in the ship:
Bigass repulsors in the 'wings'
No landing gear, it just settles on (small) skids that are in teh wingtips and nose
One deck dedicated to support machinery for cargo pods/containers/gas tanks/whatever you want to atach
This means it can keep things cool, hot, under pressure, shielded, whatever.
Tractor equipment to catch those containers.
Somewhat large-ish crew quarters that allow three shifts and longer trips, or maybe some paying passengers.

For the more enterprising folks, you could probably fit a container with TIE fighter launch clamps and have the most awful ultra-light carrier ever.

>>96423018
It's made by a different company.

Pic related is a third ship that does the same thing, by yet another company.

>>96423078
Thank you for this mane, also because of the X-Wing games, every time I see those BFF-1 type cargo containers I think "that thing can hold a snub fighter or two". Very related but in a one shot I'm planning on running a tramp freighter cargo ferry that also runs passengers picks up a prisoner transport pod converted class A cargo container with some seedy debt prisoner characters on board that are actively being hunted. So the container logically being accessable from the hull was of some importance to me.
(Also side note, the only other TTRPG I've GM'd for was a campaign using BFRPG, so it's my first go at using the Star Wars D6 system. What are some comparable ships, size-wise and equipment wise that I can use for stat stand-ins/inspo?)

>>96421638
>>96423119
I think I have some stats for that thing I wrote up years ago, let me see

>>96423092
Gamma-class replaced that one.

>>96423119
>every time I see those BFF-1 type cargo containers I think "that thing can hold a snub fighter or two"
The containers are 60 m mx 30 m (on the wide side), so yeah you could fit two or three fighters in one.

Probably two, if you want the ability to bring the TIEs back.

>tramp freighter cargo ferry that also runs passengers
OK so far
>a prisoner transport pod converted class A cargo container
Yeah well that sounds like some serious cartel-type shit, and I bet somebody is gonna ask 'what if we stuff this full of Twi'lek girls and sell them to the hutts', rather sooner than later.

>>96421638
>>96423119
Didn't have any handy, so I whipped some up. Let me know what you think

Craft: Kiara Cargo Corporation C-27 Cargo Ferry
Affiliation: General
Era: Rebellion
Type: Midbulk Freighter
Scale: Starfighter
Length: 90 meters
Skill: Space Transports: C-27 Cargo Ferry
Crew: 6
Crew Skill: Varies widely
Passengers: 6
Consumables: 3 Months
Cargo Capacity: 100 Tons internally, up to 2500 in external cargo pods
Nav Computer: Yes
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x3
Hyperdrive Backup: x15
Maneuverability: 1D
Space: 2
Atmosphere: 225; 650 kmh
Hull: 3D
Shields: 1D
Sensors:
Passive: 10/1D
Scan: 20/2D
Search: 40/3D
Focus: 3/4D
Weapons:
Three Light Laser cannons (fire separately)
Fire Arc: Front/port/starboard
Skill: Starship gunnery
Fire Control: 1D+1
Space Range: 1-3/12/25
Atmospheric Range: 100-300/1.2/2.5 km
Damage: 4D

>>96423155
>Yeah well that sounds like some serious cartel-type shit
Man, a dude tried paying off his debt to Jabba with a shipment of Yuzzums, that sorta funkiness is happening all over my game's setting lul
>>96423167
Thank you so much stat-wizard-man

>>96422990
>there was good chemistry between Ray and Finn that was kinda endearing especially in the first half of episode 7
I would say Poe and Finn had far better chemistry than Rey with anyone.
Which is why adding Rose and Canto Bight story was a detriment to all 3 main characters and to the writing of TLJ, as it led to 3 different stories, breaking up the party and lack a coherent story.
Not mentioning that by all accounts, Admiral Gender Studies getting a mutiny was fully deserved in an unofficial force of volunteers like Resistance, as not telling the plan is acceptable, but not even saying that she has one is not in their situation.

not too fond of TCW fans to be quite honest, I do not like how they percieve the show

>>96415463
Darth Bane. Is there a better introduction for post rotj than thrawn? I think the Luke/Cboath plot is very weak and its half of the content.

>>96423014
I don't like the colored wings
I'll be honest, I don't harbor as much ill will towards Fractalsponge as many people do here beyond him being a Saxtonite which is retarded. Personally a lot of his ships visually are awesome, it's more with his walkers that his designs start to look ass. Overall though his designs are way better than the shit Disney pumps out

The roll that started a 3 way firefight that burned down a Corporate Sector Authority club

>>96420478
>But going so far as to say 'ew an alt chick with guns and cool armor, get it away from me, it has a vagina' is getting cringe.
In nature things being colourful and outside the norm signals that it's poisonous. The people who invented and who adhere to that "alt" aesthetic built their entire identity around the notion that they are the social equivalent of that, it was their intent. They don't now get to put on a shocked face and exclaim
>C'est moi?!?
when people respond to them and their works on exactly the terms they intended.

It's not cringe *because* it's alt, has funky armour, and has an innie downstairs, it's cringe because that combination of things is almost universally used to do and say cringe things, especially things that insult the actual primary audience for the IPs they infest, ie nerdy men and boys. There's a word for someone who chooses to endure repeated insults rather than standing up for themselves or walking away from the situation: cuck.

>>96421440
>>96421748
Context matters, anons, and our present context is one in which the "outrage industry" is right 99% of the time because what some of you seem to be incapable of grasping is that what you think of as The Bad Kind of "female led" entertainment product is in fact what the people who make "female led" entertainment products *want to make*. It's not an accident, it's not a failure, it's their intent.

Given that context, preemptively dismissing examples of such shite is the only rational approach to take. How many times do they have to serve you the same dogshit sandwich before you stop going there for lunch?

>>96404662
>and compares them to the prequels saying "if the prequels were good, so is the Acolyte" (although that could be trolling prequel fans).
His point is more that the current 'reevaluation' of the Prequels is largely contingent on a combo of a) the passage of time cooling people off, and b) subsequent works being shit causing people to reflexively elevate earlier stuff which was shit in different, less immediately offputting ways (the whole 'one man's sincere fuckup' Vs 'shallow corporate fuckup' contrast). It's a prediction that the same will happen in the future, with whatever godawful projects get spat out going forward prompting unfavourable comparisons to shit like The Acolyte, because, "at least it TRIED," or whatever. That in 2035 there'll be cringe 9hr video essays titled like 'STAR WARS THE ACOLYTE: THE BEST STAR WARS SHOW YOU'VE NEVER SEEN???' peppered in the mix of the usual neckbeards shouting into their webcam about how much of a flop Star Wars Episode XI is
>Oh, but that won't happen, because-
It happens with every single one of these nerd franchises that should've been put out to pasture years ago yet insist on shambling on.

>>96424666
You are a complete retard. The Prequels aren't shit, the points Plinkett made are abysmal and based on just exploiting emotional outrage at the time. Acolyte meanwhile is demonstrably shit. If their retarded theory was right then we'd see people sucking off the Holiday Special nowadays

>>96424680
>the points Plinkett made are abysmal
His vids are like 50/50 split between decent points and really retarded points badly made tbf, and the big issue with them is the overemphasis on bits were are just dumb gags at the expense of elaborating on the decent points
But then, RLM don't have a monopoly on criticising the Prequels, are not the only ones to have ever criticised the prequels, were far from the first to criticise them, and did not make a 100% complete list of every criticism ever levied against them. Hell, general critical response to TPM and AOTC was poor even at the time (RotS reviewed pretty well though), and box office revenue declined across the trilogy
>just exploiting emotional outrage
Could that outrage have been the result of the movies not being very good?
>If their retarded theory was right then we'd see people sucking off the Holiday Special nowadays
People have been enjoying it ironically since it was still something you only got by tape trading, what are you on?

>>96424477
Strongly disagree, his Saxonite dogmatism is exactly why his ships in particular look shit - firstly there's the fact he loves all the FUCKHUEG ones because he's a
>Star Destroyers must mean even biggererer Star BATTLESHIPS hurr durr
retard, but then worse still he just copypastas turrets all over them because
>Um Ackshulee they're a mathematically superior layout to achieve maximum overlapping fields of fire in a 3 dimensional battlespace *snort* not like those lame Lucas designs with their silly broadsides

ECHenry's work mogs FannySpoon's so hard it's almost comical.

>>96424782
she got dat blue waffle

>>96424736
>People have been enjoying it ironically since it was still something you only got by tape trading, what are you on?
Nobody is actually claiming the Holiday Special is actually good. People enjoy it the same way they do bad films or Jedi Prince: it's fun to laugh at all the stupid and nonsensical stuff in them, but nobody thinks it's some kind of misunderstood masterpiece.

>>96424485
>2 Triumphs and 2 Despairs
Something exploded according to plan, and by total accident...

>>96424754
I 100% agree that Henry's ships are better even if some of their lore is retarded
But I don't hate Fractal ships. Now a lot of them are unnecessary and can be ignored by a bunch of them are cool enough. Personally Henry, Fractal and some of the Howie ships I use as general HD versions of ships instead of shitty LQ versions from like 1998 or as new ships I find interesting

>>96420243
>>96421440
Good takes
>>96424604
Shit take

>>96413071
Scathing Tirade is good, flavorful, fun to use. But note the drawbacks: short range, output is still directly proportional to pips you rollled, and important enemies may be able to regenerate that strain. I don't recall the rules for Influence, so I can't say how they interact

>>96424485
I would like to know more.

>>96424974
based starship enjoyer

>>96428790
>>96396613

>>96415309
>Chiss Mandalorian
The fuck? I get the whole thing about it being a creed rather than a race, but how does a member of an insular race from the other side of the galaxy possibly end up getting drawn into Mando autsim?

>>96429475
By choosing the Chiss player race and then choosing the Bounty Hunter class in TORtanic. kek

>>96429467
I love BattleGate 5

>>96429467
would fit in Hutt space with zero problems

>>96424782
For a long ass time, I thought that senate commandos were clones. But really, they are just jobber glorified cops.

>>96423155
>>96429745
>'what if we stuff this full of Twi'lek girls and sell them to the hutts'
Hutts are woefully misrepresented in Star Wars. They're stereotyped as criminals, but the reality is vastly different, nigh Hutt in proportion we can say. While their commercial activities are demonstrably at odds with Galactic Republic standards of legitimacy, none of their cultural imperatives or traits are in defiance of their own civilization's laws or mores. Within Hutt parameters their activities are not criminal but rather wholly legal and the pursuit of them is frequently laudable. Dismissing this as merely characteristic of criminality's rejection of social strictures is poor reasoning because, unlike examples of organized crime in Earth's past and present, the Hutts' ways predate the introduction of Republican laws criminalizing their deeds.

I posit that it is far more reasonable to see the Hutts as a parallel civilization of unadulterated capitalism existing within a racial and tribal hierarchy whose social order prioritizes dominance over other species. These species fulfill the function of servitude for a system which is built upon a precept not of the individual as a citizen but rather upon tribes and clans as the quantum unit of society. Insofar as the individual of subject species does exist for Hutts, it is not as a person entered into a social contract whose purpose is mutual or reciprocal. No, the individual in Hutt sociology is a unit of labor, bricks in a pyramid which exists to facilitate ascension of the Hutt species. We might not approve their civilization but we ought to appreciate it as a civilization, not dismiss it as a lawless underworld. Actually, in Hutt Space, "crime" is the lawful overworld.

>>96424666
>His point is more that the current 'reevaluation' of the Prequels is largely contingent on a combo of a) the passage of time cooling people off, and b) subsequent works being shit causing people to reflexively elevate earlier stuff which was shit in different, less immediately offputting ways (the whole 'one man's sincere fuckup' Vs 'shallow corporate fuckup' contrast).
RLM's inability to see how many looked at PT criticisms and found they were fundamentally retarded, including RLM's own, is part of why they never achieved any success in filmmaking. For example, anyone trying to claim TPM was too confusing with its trade routes and politics is either very dim, has a regrettably learning disorder I am genuinely not mocking, or lying. People 10 and under can understand it on a first watch. Meanwhile, RLM was all
>So the Jedis are there to do what exactly? According to the opening title crawl, it was to settle a dispute over the taxation of trade routes. So what makes the Jedi Knights experts in intergalactic trade laws."
>"So the Trade Federation have set up a blockade around Naboo, in order to stop them from getting space supplies. Which instantly causes some kind of crisis, that we never see [screech stop]...OK, I don't get it."
>"What kind of supplies were so crucial to the Naboo? What was it like, medical supplies? "Was there some kind of plague? Did they not have the capacity to survive on such a lush planet with a huge power reactor for one DAY without space trade? See, I would've accepted the idea of a mystery villain if the basics were at least clear."
There's literally nothing whatsoever in those few minutes at all about caring for Naboo or not, just rambling about the blockade crisis not making sense, wondering whether the TRADE Federation are taxmen (what?), why they have a military, why the blockade is causing a crisis and Cinema Sins-esque nitpicking.

>>96430218
What about an information-brokering cantina owner with a jewel eye that connects to computers and lets her analyze people?

Out of nowhere, I am sad that SWTOR doesn't have cash shop outfits for the Imperial Knights or Krayt Sith Troopers. It maybe Legacy era and thus way later but it's not like all MMO cosmetics are always canon.

>>96424018
Yeah, that plotline would have worked much better if she just said 'I have a plan, I'm just not telling you', woulda still left room for the mutiny to make sense.
>>96424574
If you didnt look at a poison dart frog, and think 'rad' you have no inner child.

Cut it with the cringe incel takes.
>>96424604
We've reached the 'they're making it bad on purpose to destroy white straight males' portion of the discussion I see.
>>96424666
Okay. Say this happens. Why do I need to be afraid?
>>96424736
I do feel they're the only ones who have doubled down on the prequel hate. Like I saw Nostalgia critic revisit them and he went 'well there are some good bits I missed, still not my favorites, but I can see why they have their fans', which is a based moderate take.
>>96430790
I dont understand why 'the bad guys hate taxes' is a confusing plot point. Maybe underwhelming as motivations go. But the setup is pretty simple.

>>96430846
It's simple really. RLM are retarded.

>>96424018
>>96430846
The biggest problem with Holdo is how easily it could've been solved just like you said. Poe wasn't asking for the plan details, just confirmation she has a plan. She says she fears spy leaks but this implies the very existence of the Resistance having a plan and not their thumbs up their ass can't be known.
>Don't worry bro, I got a plan. It's a good one.
Dutch Van der Linde would've satisfied Poe's requests 100 times over. He didn't ask for anything but confirmation that a plan exists.

The real question to me is why the filmmakers thought the audience would sympathize with an obstructive bureaucrat over an established character (if barely in TFA). What made them think anything was a good idea in theory?

>>96430790
Plinkett was just hopping on two things: The Prequel hate bandwagon (based on the PT not just being more OT) and the AVGN-style angry JewTuber bandwagon that got us retarded bullshit like Doug Walker trying to act like he's having a seizure over a Bat-credit card. Not a single one of their points were even valid, a lot of them were either retarded ("We don't get the politics cause we don't like to think while watching movies, this sucks!"), missing the point ("Anakin has bad dialogue, idgaf if that was the intent because he's an arrogant idiot, he should be a generic hero like Luke") or just pure lies (AKA shit like the CGI points which were lies. The PT used more practical effects than the OT did lol, it merged both practical and CGI perfectly. Whereas they clapped over the ST having actual pure CGI)
And the thing is, because RLM are a bunch of self-indulgent assholes, they can't admit they were wrong or baiting their fans. With their ego being as fucking high as the stratosphere, they still need to push the idea of the PT sucking just to cover their own shitty reviews years later. They're extremely fucking pathetic

>>96431157
The saddest thing about them IMO, is that I bet they know deep down their influence was for the worse. Rian Johnson knows they exist for example. They just can't admit they had more than enough negative contribution to not just film criticism but misleading franchises.

is anyone actually excited for ahsoka season 2?

>>96431370
They probably love Rian Johnson considering he hates serious Star Wars as much as them

>>96431380
I'm excited that there mya be someting in Ahsoka that could be cool for them to expand on in the RPG.


...Oh wait.

>>96431666
calm down satan, the FaD books will do a better job of mortis and dathomir than filoni will

>>96431380
I'm not excited for anything related to Star Wars anymore. Disney can keep adding post-OT shows trying to cash in on Mando's popularity, but all of them ultimately lead to the absolute skullfuckingly stupid conclusion of the sequel trilogy, where
>the New Republic is corrupt and retarded, has ZERO military, not even to defend its borders from the Hutts and other warlords
>Leia straight up fucking abandoned the New Republic and started a terrorist organization to fight the First Order because it turns out the Empire was right all along and people can't govern themselves
>the First Order just magically rebuilt from a crushing defeat into a new galactic superpower that makes the Empire look weak, despite only having a handful of worlds under its control, but it's fine because the New Republic is literal fucking garbage and rolls over to get raped by it with zero resistance
>the New Jedi Order was wiped out by a bunch of garbage-tier Sith wannabes
>Luke tried to murder his fucking nephew over a schizo hallucination lol
>Ahsoka, Grogu, Sabine, and Ezra are presumably still around at this point but do nothing because the movies aren't about them, but they all probably have padawans by now and are the true New Jedi Order because fuck Luke I guess
>The Deathwatch, an extremist fringe sect of mercs and terrorists, are now the entirety of Mandalorian society and culture because Filoni is an absolute retard
In fact I can sum up the entirety of the problem as Filoni's retarded and Kathleen Kennedy created a steaming shitpile of sequel movies that are like a black hole which all new Star Wars content are inevitably dragged into by association

>>96431380
idk there might be a decent space battle?

>>96431380
With Ray Stevenson gone, not really. But Ahsoka (the show) is overhated

>>96404828
I NEED the Build a Bear war criminal kit. The release can't come soon enough.

>>96432105
>overhated
it's underhated

>>96430873
The point is we're meant to side with Poe emotionally, but the reveal is meant to appeal to our rationality and that acting on emotion isn't always the right call. Very Jedi.

The issue though is that Holdo from all appearances was incompetent, and a more sober reading of the information at the time continues to reinforce this. If she had a plan and refused to tell poe what it was, the theme stays intact, while it having more sense that Poe should respect the chain of command.

>>96430846
We've reached the "I have no legitimate argument so I'm just going to invent one I can pretend I'm smarter than" portion of the discussion I see.

Whether it's "bad" or not is besides the point, the point is that whatever the final result is not accidental. Every aspect of the modern entertainment media shitshow from the use of DEI pandering in hiring to hollow out the industry's talent so corposhits could cut costs, to the ideologically motivated tokenism that studios now mandate, to the qualities about individual characters that sane people find obnoxious and offputting were all, without exception, deliberate decisions. You can gaslight like a fucking refinery flare all day every day but it doesn't work anymore because the people who've been paying attention have read all the And That's A Good Thing articles and seen all the paperwork that results in Heckin Diverse medieval villages that look like a modern metropolitan inner city, and the result of all that inane ideoslop has been so shit for so long that even the normies are starting to Nootice and reject it.

It's already over, faggot, the only question is whether you accept reality and rope while you still have some vague pretense of dignity or whether you go out pissing and shitting and bawling while the world laughs.

>>96432702
You can just say nigger anon. Its 4chan.

>>96432702
>t.faggot

If we ever get a equivalent to the Essential Atlas for canon, I hope they put the planets from Visions in the coordinates. They did that for planets in many non-canon games and manga in the old EU.

Trying to get into star wars games, because I need a break from games workshop’s bullshit. Between shatterpoint and legion, which is the easier to get into and start playing?

>>96435783
If you want skirmish, clone wars era, lot of fucking Jedis: Shatter Point
If you want an Wargame, Galactic Civil War era, less Jedis and more normal grunts, wide selection of units: Legion
In terms of ease to start I think Legion is just because they're an older game and have more players and stock of products. You can even ebay old FFG boxes, if you want it bit cheaper. The downside is that Legion can be a larger money sink and a bigger initial investment.

>Me rewatching the prequels
Do you guys ever feel like episode 1 & 2 could of been combined?
I like the visuals, the world building, and story tempo of episode 1, but the character chemistry around Anakin is not really built well (to be fair IMO it's not really his story in the end, but Padame and somewhat Obi-wan's). Episode 2 on the hand tries build on Anakln, but plot and tempo is really badly managed (largely because they're trying to tell two different stories, a investigative and a romance, and tie them up in the end in a different planet). Episode 2 feels a lot worse than 1, and I feel I'm not alone looking at the box office numbers.
I feel a lot of the plot points in both could of been just combined. Anakin could of been older and protecting Padame in Naboo while the blockade suddenly happens, negotiate with the Gunguns, and they fall in love. While Obi-wan tries to help his apprentice from outside with the clone army.

>>96432702
This sounds like a desperate attempt to fit in while not knowing hw to fit in. Don't you have aos to be complaining about?

>>96432329
In a military setting, keeping your troops properly informed is part of the deal. An ex-army guy once told me Holdo's behavior would get her own men trying to remove her from command, which they did try, if it were anything professional. If they wanted to make her rational, she should reveal enough information but Poe continues prying for delicate details that would jeopardize the operation.

People often say Star Wars is Science Fantasy, but why not acknowledge it as (soft) science-fiction?

Other than the kind of stories the movies seek to tell which are more in the realm of archetypal myth and legend, what keeps the setting from being soft sci-fi truly?

>>96396481 (OP)
This is how I Jedi Academy.

they should make a krayt's claw team for shatterpoint
>boba fett
>asajj ventress
>C-21 highsinger
>latts razzi

bossk is just bossk and dengar is just dengar so we dont really need them

>>96438179
>what keeps the setting from being soft sci-fi truly?
There isn't really an aspect that appeals to the science crowd even back in the 80s. Such aspects are potential technologies that can be coming to our future or the status of humanity itself in the future. That separation is deliberate too by the creators, as the opening is "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." The whole thing is framed closer to a fairy tale or a legend in the past than a thought experiment looking forward towards the future.

>>96436533
George Lucas wants you feeling like you are reading two or three comics at once. Like he did as a kid. Hence feeling like you have two separate stories. Honestly I like attack of the clones, but I can see the argument that the storylines mix well. And arguably starting with the start of the clone wars could have tied things together.
>>96437954
Agreed, though I think her not sharing any details would have worked- shes trying to punish Poe for having earlier showboated and going over the leaders heads. But that's not the same as making it seem like there was no plan.

>>96429475
essentially, the GMs were running some weird TOR era AU serverwide campaign, which gave them enough excuse to throw anything and everything into the actual game while handwaving most of it.

most of it (and a fair amount of the more active players) was stupid, but it had its moments

>>96414349
I liked the Acolyte, in spite of it being in the High Republic era. The biggest criticism I have of it is that it pulls its punches with the critique of the Jedi and doesn't go far enough into that direction - and its anachronistic style of storytelling in the form of flashbacks do more harm than good.
If they just edited the story so that it's chronological rather than jumping back and forth in the show's timeline every episode I think the story would've improved, but yeah the Acolyte was good. I'll take something like that over Filonislop any day

>>96438179
Star Wars has never focused on the science part. It's a space opera, a fantasy story with sciency elements but ultimately on the same realm as Conan the Barbarian. That's why shit like Saxtonism is retarded, trying to find muh hard soience explanations for everything down to how Ewoks shit, and adding tons of elements that don't feel Star Wars at all. At that point just go read a hard science-fiction book, don't bother us SW fans with your crap

>>96445271
Acolyte barely even feels like taking place in the High Republic era. I mean, it takes place long after any of the novels and comics and has basically no connection to their plotlines. Aside from the style of Jedi robes, it could (and would really make more sense if it did) take place a few decades before TPM.

>>96445271
>>96446032
Didn't watch it, but the tail end of HR (when Acolyte allegedly happens) isn't that far from the prequels.

Would be long stretch in ABY years, certainly, but it's basically nothing in the perspective of stagnant Republic timeline even before you consider that all executive changes that doomed the Republic and the Jedi were made over a millennium ago, and the gilt of an age was acrylic paint deep, a delusion of grandeur as rot set in.
Note that everyone involved makes an effort to deny, forget and and dismiss everything that happened before to maintain the delusion. Some even doggedly claim that the Republic existed for that one millennium, despite being in a position to well know otherwise.

Rey but good

>>96445271
>The biggest criticism I have of it is that it pulls its punches with the critique of the Jedi and doesn't go far enough into that direction
I can see that. Though I felt it was perfectly on the line of 'well you can see where everyone had good intentions' and 'you can see how this was a massive fuck up for everyone involved'. It makes more sense to me that this is the sort of behavior that led to the Jedi being as stuck up in the prequels.

>and its anachronistic style of storytelling in the form of flashbacks do more harm than good.
It's better than the Witch Season 1, where it doesn't bother informing you that you are watching it in anachronistic order.
>>96446418
Wasn't it that the Republic was established after the fall of the Sith Empire? 1000 years prior to the Clone Wars?

>>96447015
The Galactic Republic is over 25 thousand years old, some people just pretend that before 1000 BBY nothing existed, because immediately preceding administration fucked up so hard that any semblance of order and organisation disintegrated and Jedi had to step in as dictators and warmasters, double down and curb-check the Sith, crime lords and general problems.

>>96447300
That kinda sounds like Roman Empire thing where it fell and split and kinda disappeared for a few centuries but then it totallly went on and really was the same, trust me bro.

>>96447408
Superficially. I mean, all claimants to Roman legacy failed to restore old Roman capital, domain, culture and religion, yet they were all about that Roman legacy.
Galactic Republic did the exact opposite.

>>96447905
Rome was part of the Holy Roman Empire at times, and there were Christians when Rome fell. . . but I get what you mean.

And to be fair, a lot of what is considered 'western' civilization today has roots in Rome.

>>96447300
Well that's meant to be where the differentiation with the Old Republic is, right?

>>96448288
Pre-Empire Republic in its entirety is known as the Old Republic to differentiate it from the one Alliance to Restore the Republic built.

Old Republic also, and more commonly, is used to refer to the time period around 4000 BBY specifically, including few centuries after and the entire Republic history before that in the broader definition.

In the latter case the events that led to Ruusan Reforms in 1000 BBY are definitely not a part of it, but rather a prelude to 'prequel' Republic.

>>96450258
Something about the design doesn't jazz for me, but it might just be the colors and the fin-like bits and bobs.

>>96415511
The antidote to the cancer that is killing Star Wars is Legacy.

>The Empire is now the good guys, fighting for the emperor and the fatherland.
>The jedi are still the good guys, so we don't go into the revisionist Acolyte nonsense.
>Cade is edgy, but with a heart.
>Imperial knights become a chud icon overnight after the trailers arrive.
>Darth Talon is a sex symbol.

Legacy will save Star Wars

>>96452406
Sadly, Disney burned half the concepts you mention for no reason and zero gain in the ST.

Knights of Ren bruned the Imperial Knight idea, NJO is is dead on arrival after Luke turned into Hobo Luke, we can't have a Princess anymore after Leia is a General (and there is no Fel linage in Disney canon anyway)

Sexy Talon is impossible in cuurrent year Hollywood. She'd be a girlboss. Maladi as an actual crazy-ass psycho would also not be alowed.
And Cade as an edgy bad boy with a heart of gold who actually stands by his woman even after the sex goddess Talon wants to ride his meatsaber is not allowed, best I can do Pedro Pascal with serious gay daddy vibes.

That being said, I agree with you in principle. But Disney proved half a dozen timmes they are immmune to just grabing a good story from their backllog and running with it.
They preferred to make dumb decisions and crashed the MCU and SW with no survivors.

>>96453323
>ventress was the only one allowed to be sexy

>>96447015
The old EU timeline of the Old Republic gets confusing since in the first film it's said the Jedi knights were the guardians of the Republic for a 1000 generations (which would be roughly 20 000 years), but then in the prequels it's mentioned the Republic has lasted 1000 years.
Apparently Lucas changed his mind at some point between the films, as he has stated later that his idea was that before 1000 years before the films the galaxy was ruled by the Sith, but their empire imploded from constant backstabbing, leading to the Republic forming to fill the vacuum and everybody assuming the Sith were all dead. But at that point EU writers had already taken the 1000 generations line and ran with it, with the KotR games and some comics taking place over 4000 years before the films.
The writers tried to justify the contradiction with the New Sith Wars and the Rusaan Reformation: 1000 years ago the Republic all but collapsed due to constant war with the Sith, and while the Jedi eventually defeated the Sith (assuming them to be completely wiped out) the Republic had to rebuild pretty much all of its territory outside its core worlds and underwent major reforms, leading to some people consider the post-Rusaan Republic a separate entity from the one prior to the New Sith Wars (incidentally, a war between Jedi and Sith is also something Lucas explicitly said wouldn't have happened in his version: his intent was that the Sith killed themselves off and the Jedi order only came into existence after the Sith empire had already fallen).

>>96454081
>Jedi knights were the guardians of the Republic for a 1000 generations (which would be roughly 20 000 years), but then in the prequels it's mentioned the Republic has lasted 1000 years.
Lucas aside it's important to consider just who sources these quotes, in what context and circumstances. Just as the former, the Jedi, is wont to mention the entirety of Jedi's service to the Republic without making any distinction whatsoever for brief administrative collapses and changes of exact administration, the second, the corrupt politician and the Banite Sith is wont to downplay and divorce from everything that happened before Ruusan and Darth Bane.

>>96453875
>me when I am a lying faggot

>>96454757
yep.

Does anyone else prefer how the Shatterpoint minis look compared to Legion? I think the Shatterpoint ones look a lot better, but they're way more expensive.

>>96454949
Does it have Legends stuff? No? Maybe customisable kits and a bunch of dirt-cheap generic NPC you can use for your campaign? No?
Not interested then.

>>96454081
>it gets confusing
>explains it thoroughly in a manner a toddler could understand with two paragraphs

>>96455107
Shatterpoint is capeshit goyslop

>>96454949
Yeah they are way better than the Legion bobbleheads.

>>96455587
I mean, it is. But it's still better than WotC run that combined the CCG booster scam, abysmal sculpt and a paint job so bad that the worst possible beginner couldn't do worse.

Man, back when they were a thing I didn't believe that WEG's metal minis would be anything but a baseline of quality.

>>96455587
as expected from AMG

>>96456221
>a paint job so bad that the worst possible beginner couldn't do worse
a mild exaggeration

>>96421638
>do you all think the interiors of the cargo pods on the BFF-1 are accessable via interior gangways or not?
Yes. Star Wars ships should feel like interwar aircraft with lots of silly features that wouldn't appear in optimized designs (think things like passenger planes with corridors in the wings so the mechanic can reach the engines during flight). You'd still need to answer the question of whether or not the BFF-1 containers are detachable from the drive section. It seems like they should be, but I think X-Wing implied otherwise. I was always unclear about whether the BFF-1 was a properly engineered ship or something a second-tier manufacturer built from recycled parts that ended up being a big success despite that.

Star Wars seriously misses some grim and gritty war vibe. No matter how retarded shit like Dark Empire was, imaging the sheer butchery and carnage that Legends gave us was as kino as it gets. We need more giant fucking battles and a focus on warfare and military.

>anon, thats sloppa
Yes, i know, now shut the fuck up.

>>96458379
>Yes, i know, now shut the fuck up.
No

>>96458379
no, it really needs neither that shit nor yo fag ass

>>96457151
>You'd still need to answer the question of whether or not the BFF-1 containers are detachable from the drive section. It seems like they should be, but I think X-Wing implied otherwise.
X-wing didn't say anything about it, but the ship is seen with four Type A containers every time it appears. i'd say there is an airlock to climb into the containers for exactly the reasons you mention.
>I was always unclear about whether the BFF-1 was a properly engineered ship or something a second-tier manufacturer built from recycled parts that ended up being a big success despite that.
I decided that this freighter was more like the IRL 'class' of Panamax ships. Built by various shipyards across the galaxy, with varioous reactors, engines, etc., but to a standardized set oof docking ports and dimennsions.
If you get one of those, you will be able to carry 4 containers around, fit into berths of a known size etc.
But you may have wildy different types of reactors, thrusters, navcomps, cockpit layout, etc.

I came up with this because my group wanted to fly in on something inconspicuous to blend in, but ended up on the 'oh no the city is full lof riots and fire' end of the inconspicuously blending in spectrum on the way out.
So they ran up the ramp of 'their' freighter, only to find out that the HowalWorks ship they had flown in on was very different from the Dawon Heavy Industries one they were to leave with.

Is there any mechanical difference between Edge of the Empire and Age of Rebellion?

>>96461774
not particularly. there's the Duty/Obligation mechanic, and some equipment has slightly different rarities and costs depending on if you're running strictly only material from one set to the other, but races, classes, and talents are all cross compatible

>>96461774
Edge of the Empire rewards you for becoming either obligated to a criminal boss or being legit (you can be dirty or clean with each side having some advantages).
Age of Rebellion rewards you mostly by your loyalty to the rebel alliance.
Force and Destiny is your Jedi being bipolar on a personality trait.

>>96452406
How was Acolyte revisionist? It didn't make the Jedi bad guys. As others have argued it's critique of the Jedi could be considered toothless.

What they did was a massive fuck-up, a sort of Waco Texas. While certainly they should be penalized for incompetency, this is in line with them holding several staff-meetings with a Sith Lord as their boss and not realizing it until the last second. The most morally shady thing they do is cover up said fuck-up, but that was a decision made on the ground and not by the Council or anyone. And even then, it wasn't so much an active cover-up so much as those involved being very choosy in how to detail their report (an Obi-Wan Kenobi level of 'true from a certain point of view).
>>96453323
A New Jedi Order could have been done (and likely still will be for necessity sake) I think the issue was more setting Rey up to have WAY less resources than Luke, but nobody thought about how logistics is meant to work in Star Wars. Which is why my theory is Ahsoka will do it- since it make more narrative sense for her to do it than Rey.
>>96454081
Yeah that's in line for what I expect from Star Wars retcons, and about what my imagining was. I guess I'm one of those people who would argue that consists of two different republics even if there is a line of continuity there. Heck- France is on their Fifth Republic right now, and some even think they might be on their way to their sixth.

Personally- I actually find it fun to reconcile two competing lore ideas, like to me I think it can be both true the Sith Empire imploded itself, while also the Jedi were the ones to defeat them. Typically extremists and autocrats are their own worst enemies. Arguably the Nazis defeated themselves by running their country into the ground and declaring war on every single major power, to the point where they were looking into researching magic as a way to defeat the Allies.

>>96461999
Personally I just find it odd that there hasn't been any major adaptions of the Sith Empire, outside of TOR and some visions shorts to my knowledge (by which I mean- stuff that's not comics or books that only the super-dedicated fans would be aware of).

>>96461999
>It didn't make the Jedi bad guys.
Yes, it did. This might not be your understanding of the show (as far as I'm concerned, for example, everything the jedi did was 100% justified), but that was certainly the intention of the author. The jedi (and more specifically Sol) were supposed to be wrong at every step of the way, both during the coven crisis and during the actual events of the series. Sol couldn't even die in a good manner, because by allowing himself to be killed he stole agency from Osha again and infantilized her.

You are right to compare the situation to Waco, but it's written to be Waco in its most uncharitable, "ATF is Satan" version.

>>96461999
>What they did was a massive fuck-up, a sort of Waco Texas.
Did the Waco guys put a girl on a pyre and give the impression to any reasonable observer directly in front of the cops that they were going to light it on fire and kill her? Because those witch-bitches absolutely had it coming, the lead one turned into a fucking darkside smoke monster.

Don't pretend any of the retardation in that show was in any way intentional and clever, they absolutely intended the viewer should take the Jedi as the villains they're just so ideologically vapid and functionally incompetent that they couldn't pull it off.

>>96462075
I have no idea what you're talking about. That wasn't at all my reading.

What happened was the Jedi landed on the planet on a routine mission, possibly overstepped their bounds in asking for the kids to possibly enter Jedi training- but they didn't force the issue, only extending the offer. They only went in because they (rightfully) suspected there was foul play involved with the kids, but this caused such a massive retaliation by the witches that it led to all the civilians except the twins dying, which was the result of their intervention.

To me it seemed that pretty much everything they did, while arguably perhaps not up to the strictest standards of the Jedi, were justifiable deviations that spiralled out of their control. And that the real crime was not owning up to the massive fuck up and agreeing to cover it up. Something that two of the Jedi involved also seemed to have agreed on, given they were willing to die at the twins hands in exchange for some kind of forgiveness. I mean that last part is just text.

And all this in my mind is perfectly in line with what we see with the Jedi's fuckups in the Prequels where they are portrayed as much worse, in different ways. The Prequel Jedi's issues are that they are dogmatic, inflexible, and arrogant that they blind themselves to massive issues. The stuff in Acolyte felt to me a perfect sort of compromise where we can see the faults in the Jedi order, without villainizing them to an extent that one couldn't still argue that they were a valuable institution of the Jedi- essentially turning them into Strawman Jedi.

While I agree with some people the critique could have come with more bite, I think a bigger issue would have been portraying the Jedi, even at their height, as worse than they were in the Prequels. Wheras with the version they did, you can sensibly draw the line to where they ended up in the Prequels.

>>96462098
You're arguing against yourself- saying that it's clear that the Jedi were in the right to go in, yet your takeaway is that they are meant to be the villains. When that clearly wasn't your takeaway.

I think all of this is just being viewed through the chudslop filter. Like it or hate it, just like it or hate it for what it said.

>>96461870
>>96461967
Thanks for the info.
I wanted to run a AoR themed one shot, but I only have the EotE rulebook (and various splats). I had a feeling they were pretty much cross compatible, but wanted to check.

>>96462170
>possibly overstepped their bounds in asking for the kids to possibly enter Jedi training- but they didn't force the issue, only extending the offer
>The Prequel Jedi's issues are that they are dogmatic, inflexible, and arrogant that they blind themselves to massive issues
In Living Force the Jedi are noted to openly criticise and reprimand those of their order who "steal" children, and the main guy who used to do it, Sifo-Dyas, was removed from his job plus the entire Council had very little good to say about his antics.

There was also a book focused partially on Dooku, where there was a Jedi Master on the Council who was actually in charge of recruitment for the entire Order. She went and got herself knocked up on mission, had the child, then brought the kid in for training and said she "found" it. When the Jedi found out she'd had the child, they removed her from the Council and took her recruitment job away. They didn't kick her out, they just gave her a (still very senior) job in the Archives and library and told her to think about what she'd done and why. Yoda even said bluntly that if she had just asked for help, it would have been offered. They didn't kick out the child, the kid in their eyes did nothing wrong. The thing the mother did wrong was lying about where she got the kid and compromising their recruitment methods.

The Jedi seem, based on those two examples, to be very, very cautious and careful about when and how they take children. Even the hint of a Jedi being anything less than up front and above board puts a long-term stink on the Jedi in question from the rest of the Order.

>>96458379
Andor was as grim as you can get without going into Wh40K territory

>>96462174
My argument is perfectly cogent, you're simply retarded. The writers *intended* to present the Jedi as villains, but were so incompetent they *actually* depicted them as completely justified to any rational, sane observer. This creates huge dissonance in the viewer as the writers repeatedly deploy tropes and character behaviours that make perfect sense if the Jedi are monsters who have done something despicable and shameful, but no sense in the context of the show where all of their actions against the shitwitches were perfectly reasonable.

>>96460674
>I decided that this freighter was more like the IRL 'class' of Panamax ships. Built by various shipyards across the galaxy, with varioous reactors, engines, etc., but to a standardized set oof docking ports and dimennsions.
I always liked to imagine that a lot of technological objects in the Star Wars setting tend to see licensed (or unlicensed) production runs by a variety of small manufacturers in the Rim in addition to the original manufacturer. I'm pretty sure the original X-wings from the GCW era were supposed to have been made that way, and if widely-distributed small-scale ship manufacturer existed to do thqt then it's probably a common business model.

>>96420478
>Disney needs to give the Rebels/New Republic a cool helmet
Personally, I'd design "cool Rebel marines" like this:
>space brigandine
>shooting gloves
>belt with between two and four pouches and a large holster for their blaster, which is about the same size as an E-11
>take the Tantive IV helmet and modify it into looking more like a sallet, I love sallets

>>96462262
Yeah- though in this instance I think it's mediated by them having not pressed the issue, just extending the offer. Yoda might have nagged them had they picked up one of the two if nothing went wrong- but you showcase it was overstepping bounds.
>>96463900
Can you back up your arguments with examples? Cause again, not my reading, and from what it seems, not the reading of most people who watched the show.
>>96466134
I think there needs to be continuity of designs to make the world feel related. In sense I argue that Republic Troopers need to look like good guy versions of Storm Troopers. This would provide visual continuity in the idea that they are the successor to the Republic in the way the Empire billed itself, as the Storm Trooper designs were descended from the Clone Trooper Designs.

I would perhaps make the default a lighter version of the armor though- to suggest that they are less militaristic than the Empire, with the ability to armor them up for bigger military confrontations. So I'd limit armor to shins, forearms, chest-plate and helmet. I'd keep the white color, but maybe with more accents or a slightly off white to again differentiate them from Storm Troopers.

For the Helmet I'd take the Alderaan helmet (which would double as a nice bout of symbolism), maybe make it a bit more compact (for ease of moving about in it), and adding a face-plate that turns it into a full helmet. The face plate I think is the area that would be the most 'new', and there'd be a lot of questions on what you'd want the 'face' of the Republic trooper to be. I think I'd go for a black visor over the eyes, since I think that's a bit more neutral than the more skull-shaped Storm Trooper Helmet.

I'd also add elements of cloth straps or 'ammo pouches' around to help make them appear a bit less mechanical than the Storm Trooper.

Did the ISB exist in the EU before the Rogue one? they seem too much of a major faction with serious intrigue to be a product of disney worldbuilding

>>96466950
Amusingly enough Disney Wars' ISB is far more important in-universe than the original ISB.
They are from the EU but never did anything except get mentioned here and there in WEG sourcebooks.
In the EU Imperial Intelligence under Isard handled all the intrigue.

>>96466950
There was a concept of the ISB already, first being from WEG's d6 SWRPG module "Rebel Breakout" 1987, it's very light in terms of describing the organization though. However, the iconic white uniform
was already a concept before Disney (on a TCG).

>>96430790
They were right about all of that though. Why are the JEDI of all people being sent to negotiate the trade dispute? The Nemoidians are clearly just terrified by them, are they being treated like the Chancellor's strongmen or something? If it was an issue that could be settled by just citing some law or making a deal, it would never have reached the point of a blockade. And if it could be solved like that, why not just use the sectors representative? And somehow, nobody even knows the blockade is happening? And why IS Naboo suffering so badly from it, do they not have agriculture? How could any deal signed while under invasion be legitimate?

The plot only makes sense to 8 year olds exactly because it was designed for 8 year olds. The more you think about it the dumber it is, the plot stops at "bad stuff happens because politics and bad guys greedy".

>>96432329
>The point is we're meant to side with Poe emotionally, but the reveal is meant to appeal to our rationality and that acting on emotion isn't always the right call. Very Jedi
Is that very Jedi? What happened to "trust your feelings"?

>>96467121
ISB was strictly internal security, but they also served as an example of rival agencies Sheev set up just to see themm plot against each other.

>>96466950
Rogue One and Andor are relatively untouched by Disney idiocy. The two Jedi games, too.

it's funny how she can just drop something like 250 grand on hiring her workbuddies to beat up count dooku

like she just has that kind of money
what else could that buy you?

>EoTE
Would you allow a player to use Survival to rough it out in an urban, populated environment?

>>96467681
No that would be streetwise by default; even for finding out which dumpster has the best leftovers. Unless there's like a town-size park with a self-sufficient ecosystem surrounded by the city (a.la. Mega Central Park), No.

>>96467753
But the description for Streetwise doesn't indicate that it can be used for that.

>>96467681
I'd allow it, if just to get by, meaning not starve, get food poisoning or freeze to death. Anything more would need Streetwise.

>>96467401
This is literally explained in the opening crawl.

The Trade Federation illegally blockaded Naboo to protest new tax laws (despite their claims otherwise), and Chancellor Valorum while unable to officially remove the Trade Federation thanks to Senate Gridlock (in part spearheaded by the Trade Federation), he was unofficially able to send to Jedi to try to negotiate between the Naboo and the trade Federation to end the blockade. Rightfully suspecting that the Trade Federation were being a bunch of weasely bitches, he sent two space-wizards instead of two pencil-pushers, something he was right to do, because the Trade Federation immedietely tried to poison them.

Likewise in other material the Jedi are clearly shown as inhabiting an executive role where they enforce the laws of the Republic- not in the same way a local bureaucrat would, but in mediating disputes between the members of the Republic.

As for why the Nemoidians are terrified of the Jedi, A. cause their blockade is illegal contrary to their claims, and they fear retribution, B. they are knowingly working for a Sith Lord, and they find themselves in a situation where things are spiraling out of their control (as evidenced by the meme- 'there are two of them now? things are getting out of hand!').

I don't know where you get the idea that people don't know about the Blockade, Padme's intent when she reaches the Senate isn't to tell them it's happening (and clearly Valorum knows it's happening if he's sending in two jedi to deal with it) but to inform them about the land invasion of Naboo, and try to rally a Republic response.
>>96467544
You can't just say 'it doesn't count as Disney cause it's good anon'.

>>96467906
>You can't just say 'it doesn't count as Disney cause it's good anon'.
I didn't say that.
I mean the things I listed kinda do break the Disney mould which results in them being pretty good, but they are still made by Disney.

>>96468189
Alright. Just that there are stupid enough people to actually make that argument. Otherwise, I completely agree.

Though honestly, I argue why both Rogue One and Solo work compared to the sequels, is they knew where they had to begin and end, while the sequels did not, and jogged in place for a whole trilogy.

>>96467767
Survival says strictly on Wilderness environment, while Streetwise is the opposite and Urban. Unless it's a wilderness environment within a city, you use Streetwise to gather information on the best place to get freebies. food banks, and junk that you can use to survive (and not get killed).
In fact, in EotE's sister game Genesys it literally says, "the Streetwise skill is your character’s ability to survive and thrive in rough and dangerous urban areas."
You can also use the expanded urban encounters like (pic).

>>96467544
>>96468189
Andor is ass and isn't Star Wars. Jedi games are mediocre, Cal is the most bland and boring protagonist in the history of Star Wars, story is meh, story of the second game is outright bad, and the games don't have an identity of their own. They rip off a lot of stuff, and don't do any of the elements they rip off good: combat is much shittier than Sekiro, Metroidvania elements are not thought out, exploration is not rewarding. And the second game still runs like ass, and game 3 will use Unreal Engine 5 - God help us.

>>96468623
Good on that player that they both use the same stat then.

>>96468901
It's kinda sad that their imagination of a SW agriworld is just Kansas. I mean even on Tatooine moisture farming allowed locals to make profit domestically, so like an actual fertile planet world be fucking insane level of output.

>>96468901
This scene doesn't look particularly bad, but yeah generally Andor does not feel Star Wars. It's just bland cyberpunk/grimdark with a badly-made Star Wars costume over it. This is just showing how desperate people are about Disney media that they suck up this bullshit nobody would have taken a few years ago

>>96468901
>And the second game still runs like ass, and game 3 will use Unreal Engine 5 - God help us.
Try not being poor.

>>96469182
The only complaint I have is that there's not enough aliens.

To me a big point of star wars is that aliens are so absurdly common to the point that they are completely un-noteworthy. This was the whole point of the famed Cantina scene of the original- where otherwise the only aliens are Chewbaca, the Tuskens, and the Jawa's.

I understand the idea that both CGI aliens and prop aliens are expensive. But you still have plenty of 'near human' species in the setting to draw from for your human actors.

I do think this is a touch from Gilroy who is used to directing less fantastic shows. Book of Boba Fett often gets reamed, but I'd put this as a plus in their favor, the character design in that show was extremely expressive. From the cyborgs, to the tuskens, to the twi'leks, the pikes, the gammorians, the wookies, even some trandoshans in one scene, the mayor of Mos Espa was an Ithorian, etc. etc. and that was a show that was done specifically on the cheap (which is why they hired Robert Rodriguez- he does cheap).

>>96469721
>The only complaint I have is that there's not enough aliens.
>To me a big point of star wars is that aliens are so absurdly common to the point that they are completely un-noteworthy.
Let me wedge into your conversation with an observation that some worlds, particularly, but not necessarily die-hard imperial worlds don't have any "colored" humans, much less aliens.

>>96468901
>>Andor is ass and isin't star wars
waaaaaaah im a faggot who needs to see muh hekking awsome lightsabers and jedi in literally every piece of star wars media or im going to cry.

>>96469826
Its interesting to think about how human phenotypes play into certain planets. Euro-types are more common than on Earth in many systems.

The Aakash System is entirely East Asian phenotype.

Naboo is half Euro, half Jeet.

Some Imperial aligned worlds, mostly prior Republic worlds with a strong military tradition are effectively British.

Eriadu is part Euro and part Middle-eastern

Haruun Kal is mostly Afro-type.

Many worlds are relatively cosmopolitan.

I wonder if it goes back to which Nationality of Zhell mostly settled which worlds.

>>96470053
>I wonder if it goes back to which Nationality of Zhell mostly settled which worlds.
It was kinda like that for Dune and it's entirely believable various nation/groups sort of did their own small colonization projects separately. Not to mention the near-human species which are probably radical evolution from the base humans (whether developed naturally or artificially).

>>96469113
>moisture farming allowed locals to make profit domestically
Was that just because there was local need for water?

>>96470129
pretty much, yeah.

Does anybody here run or play in games using the old d20 Saga Edition rule set? I'm struggling to figure out what the exact effect of a particular talent is:
>Believer Intuition
>As a Reaction, when an opponent successfully attacks you, make a Use the Force check and compare the result to your opponent's attack roll. If the check equals or exceeds the result of the attack roll, you can add your Charisma modifier to your Reflex Defense.
As far as I can tell, this applies all the time. If you're asleep, it applies. Awake, applies. Surprised, applies. Flat-footed, applies. Flying a ship, applies. As long as you can take a reaction and aren't prevented from doing so, you can use this if you are successfully attacked.
The catch is, reactions apply after the effect so as written the ability only activates after you've been hit anyway? Or is it only when an opponent successfully attacks, not successfully hits?

It also doesn't say how long it lasts after it activates. Is this just really shitty wording and it's meant to be like the Deflect ability in the same system?

>>96470053
There's also Ghorman which is French.

Play Star Wars Tabletop games

>>96470563
I would if my LGS wasnt a slave caste of 40k players

>>96469895
>waaaaaaah im a faggot
We know. Anyone who shills Disney slop is.

>>96469826
You're a clown. The only reason Andor has little to no aliens is because Gilroy is a pretentious faggot, who thinks it's goofy for his super serious "adult prestige drama", and he is above it all. He literally went on record saying that he "doesn't understand how to include aliens". The reason Coruscant also looks like shit in the show and nothing like Coruscant from the actual Star Wars is because the production designer of the show, Luke Hall, just hated how Coruscant looked, so he changed it. It's a show made by pretentious pseuds that hate Star Wars for dimwits who hate Star Wars. Absolute garbage. It's insane just how dumb so many of Star Wars fans are, and how they fail to realize that the show they dickride so much hates Star Wars and stands against everything it represents. But then again, most of these "fans" don't even like Star Wars, just like the people who made this crap.

>>96470613
I hate 40kfags so much

>>96470643
The Empire is not the weak, pathetic Old Republic. It does not consider itself its heir, it would want to redesign the capital to be different.

>>96404828
>>96404809
I fucking hate icon-based tabletop game rules so fucking much.
Fuck ESL, anyone who doesn't speak english should not be allowed to play english games and all capitalists who want to cater to foreign markets need to fucking hang.

>>96470668
Nice cope. But it is just that - nonsensical cope you made up to defend this ugly garbage and the retards who made it.

>>96470314
>it's meant to be like the Deflect ability
I'd assume so, it doesn't really make sense otherwise. It's just another option for potentially turning a hit into a miss.

>>96470668
You are fucking retarded. The Empire considers itself to be the direct evolution to the Old Republic. The Republic wasn't seen as weak, but corrupted over years of existence. Palpatine himself was a patron of the arts and loved the classic Coruscanti style, why would he redesign it into commie jew york bullshit? It doesn't make sense because it isn't supposed to, Andor is made by faggots who hate the Prequels because of their mythological traditional art mixed with space fantasy and are instead for post-modern crap like the ST. Simple as.

>>96470643
I think Andorcucks are just desperate. They remind me of Filonifags. They can't admit Star Wars has been dead for years now, nothing Disney has produced has been good. They want to cope with Andor but Andor is just as back as Ack-olyte, Cucknobi and Book of Boba Fag. They're all direct insults to real Star Wars

>>96440110
The whole child murder thing is probably the biggest mistake of the prequels. Because the motherfucker doesn't deserve to go to Force heaven at the end of Jedi if he did all that shit. The EU in general had that problem. "Oh, here are all the war crimes Vader committed". In the original movies his greatest crime was standing by in the role of a subordinate while Tarkin did his bullshit. Vader as a character was long broken. That was a point made in Jedi, and that's why his redemption worked in that movie. The minute you get into him actively engaging in child murder and wiping out entire species in genocides he directly campaigned? He no longer deserves the redemption at the end of Jedi.

>>96474247
He's the Chosen One, please understand. All those people and children he killed died for greater good.

Also, being a Force-ghost is not Force heaven. There is no Christian heaven and hell in Star Wars. When people die, Jedi or not, they become one with the Cosmic Force, their consciousness dissolves, and then gets recycled back into the living Force and new beings are born. Force Ghosting is more like the ultimate enlightenment, and it is achieved for a specific purpose by very few people. Qui-Gon was the first one to discover it, and he was chosen by the Whills to guide Yoda and Obi-Wan, whose purpose was to guide Luke. Anakin was chosen to do something as well, but we'll never know, since Lucas' sequels never got made. Its purpose is the ultimate victory of the Light Side and preservation of the Jedi knowledge. Victory for all time, as Yoda said. Something the Sith cannot comprehend, since when they die it's all over for them for good.

>>96474247
The point is that he didn't like what he did, retard. It wasn't like Vader was proud of his actions during the war, Operation Knightfall and under the Empire. He was consistently guiltridden and depressed, and he only sees the light when Luke proves to him that love overcoming the darkness is possible. Obviously Anakin is a horrible person but he is not irredeemable, Palpatine is irredeemable since he genuinely regrets nothing and would do it all again if he could.

>>96474247
A legit critique to the prequels is that it had really weird tempo and a lack of focus on certain parts, largely because Lucas was the screenplay, writer, and director. Head roles that are usually be separate in a normal production, especially if it's big as those films. Not only to have real-time editing/review of ideas, but also to subdivide the responsibility and workload.

>>96474385
>He's the Chosen One, please understand.
The original trilogy never had the "chosen one" as a concept right? I think Anakin was just described as Obi-wan's friend/apprentice who fell from grace. I could be remembering wrong, and I need to rewatch the original again.
I say this because an interesting critique back in the day was how Lucas went real hard into the Hero's Journey structure more than the original, and that's why Anakin was given a special role in the setting (i.e. literally force-Jesus birth).

>rebuild the galaxy has ahsoka and darth revan have a duel

holy shit they're actually making the 2 characters with the most retarded fanbases fight

>>96474863
I mean it's a Lego Game, I don't think most people take it as seriously.

>>96474883
Sorry lego *mini-series.

>>96396481 (OP)
skeleton crew was actually good tho

>>96474863
Would it really be any sillier than Darth Maul is Back scene?

>>96473757
>I think Andorcucks are just desperate. They remind me of Filonifags. They can't admit Star Wars has been dead for years now, nothing Disney has produced has been good. They want to cope with Andor but Andor is just as back as Ack-olyte, Cucknobi and Book of Boba Fag. They're all direct insults to real Star Wars
andor s1 was okay but s2 was wayy to slow and felt like some sterile sci-fi, skeleton crew was unironically the best disney star wars show they ever did

>>96470643
Chill, anon, I didn't even watch Andor.

>>96475004
>>96475061
Ah, yes. 1980's America suburbs, school buses, rucksacks, garages. Just screams STAR WARS. It was ass. Jude Law and the Wolfman pirate were cool. But everything else sucked. And the plot with the money planets was monumentally retarded and did not make a lick of sense in the context of larger Star Wars story. Disney is incapable of making anything good.

>>96475138
no

I liked tales of the underworld

>>96475138
I think it would have worked unbelievably better as an 1hr 45 film (if such a thing can even exist anymore) but I still had a fun time. It was the most recent thing of Star Wars I saw after dropping off in episode 2(?) of the Kenobi show and episode 4-ish of the newest Mandalorian, but with Skeleton crew I made it all the way through without wanting to do something else.

I thought the suburbia planet sucked, but then they had the pirates attack it which placated me somewhat. Space pirates showing up to shoot at a subdivision is exactly the sort of thing I would desperately imagine while staring out of an elementary school window at the endless plains of housing.

Mostly I liked that it was a fun adventure where I didn't have to hear about how the resistance is in our caring or whatever the fuck they're getting at in the other shows.

>>96470668
You know that's not the only reason architectural changes happen right? The US doesn't still make all their government buildings in a neoclassical style (even though they should). Many are even done in brutalist styles.
>>96473757
So you never noticed the imperial architecture in all if star wars until now?
>jew york
Tell us how you really feel anon. I'm sure it'll be based or something.
>>96475138
Lack of soul detected.

>>96476233
>So you never noticed the imperial architecture in all if star wars until now?
Imperial architecture does not look like the shit in Andor. In fact it looks extremely similar to Republican architecture but with a darker twist
Picrel is what someone who actually has imagination and talent at Star Wars styles has drawn Imperial Coruscant as. An actually fitting take rather than the bullshit soviet metal blocks and NYC tramlines which aren't Star Wars at all and don't look like anything from the Prequel Trilogy, designed by a bunch of retards who can't use their imagination

I find it funny that you insult another anon for thinking Skeleton Crew doesn't feel like SW (which indeed it doesn't, nothing Disney has even shat out is SW) and even call him soulless yet you think Andor bullshit is acceptable. Shows how little you Disneytroons care for actual SW media, go back to consuming your generic cyberpunk trash

>>96476830
I'm still seeing brutalist architecture here, I think you're making shit up to justify you consumption of chudslop.

>>96477447
Holy shit the copium runs hard. Yeah bro that image is so brutalistic, it's the same as Andor
Also tf is chudslop? You Disneyshitters make up random terms every day that make no sense. The Star Wars I watch is actual real Star Wars media, before Disney came and fucked everything up, and even before TCW and Filoni shat over the Clone Wars period

>>96477491
I'm seeing lots of geometric shapes with imposing scale. Hard to tell if there's a reliance on concrete cause of the night shot, but it's definitely not like marble or red brick I'm sure of that.

Also come on. You know what chudslop is. Try using your brain.

>>96477595
Literally nothing there is even close to Andor Coruscant, are you fucking serious right now? They're skyscrapers with glass, they look like the PT Coruscant but darker, and size does not determine brutalism. Brutalism is just extremely vague, undefined geometric shapes with simple textures which are meant for pure utilitarian purposes rather than artistic ones, which this image clearly is not since this is very intentionally meant to be a ceremonial temple area, not just a brutalistic efficient living space. Just compare picrel to that and stop bullshitting for a sec
Also I still have no clue what your whiny "chudslop" is. You mean videos critical of Andor? Because believe it or not I haven't seen a single one, most online personalities suck up to Andor because if they were to say to their audience that all of Disney SW is shit they'd be out of content to make videos out of. So yeah no clue what you're on about

>>96474785
Anakin wasn't the chosen one when the originals were made, there was no prophecy at all he was just a powerful Jedi, Luke ironically fit into the "chosen one" archetype more than Anakin.

>>96477630
Anakin fits more into the Chosen One archetype though. Nothing said that the Chosen One would be perfect or wouldn't harm anyone, just that he'd bring the Force into balance. He does this by destroying Palpatine (eliminating the Dark Side, a corrupt part of the Force) and by destroying the Old Order, which had been corrupted through the years, and having his son replace it with a new, more Force-focused Order
Also idk why the fuck the prophecy not existing in the OT is a big deal. Prequels adding details to original films happens all the fucking time, that's the point of a prequel. Next you'll bitch about how Saul Goodman having been part of the Salamanca/Fring war before Walt was not in the original show so it's bad

>>96477642
When I said chosen one archetype I was referring to that type of heroic story, not the specific Chosen One prophecy in the prequels. I'm also not bitching, was just answering a question.

>>96473757
>You are fucking retarded. The Empire considers itself to be the direct evolution to the Old Republic.
Nope. Absolutely wrong. The Empire is a nation-state. And one founded by Palpatine, though built on preexisting cultural norms found on worlds such as Eriadu, Corulag, etc. It is not an evolution of the Old Republic, it rejects it entirely. This is literally in the very first Star Wars movie, A New Hope.
>The last remnants of the Old Republic will be swept away
What the fuck do you think this fucking means, tardie?

>>96477755
>What the fuck do you think this fucking means, tardie?
Firstly, this is what one person says, it isn't the general opinion of residents in the Empire you dolt
Secondly, this refers to the corrupt Republic at the end of the Prequel Trilogy. Many Imperials disliked the senate not from conception but because it grew corrupt over the years. That's why they're content with it being removed

>>96470563
>FFG X-WING
Just out of curiosity are 4 regular tie-fighter squad a viable list in the current game?

>>96477800
I felt this was really just a Tarkin thing- the other generals on the DEATH STAR mind you, all seem a bit unsettled by the news. I think less out of any sort of democratic sympathies- more anticipating political unrest. Which Tarkin thinks the Death Star negates and therefore doesn't matter.

I think it was a real boneheaded move- with the removal of Mon Mothma- and what likely would have been the Alderaanians by the time of New Hope, the Senate was filled with only yesman, and posed no sort of political threat, while creating the illusion of governmental norms.

>>96477800
If you're not an Imperial, you're not relevant to the Empire. If you are merely a resident, and not a loyal citizen, you do not matter. The Empire's general policy is to tear down things of the Old Republic. This includes things like the "Jedi Cruiser" aka Venator. So if entire lines of starships are on the chopping block, you bet your ass buildings would be. The Imperial loyalists of the New Order command the architecture, now.
>>96477871
The Senate was only suspended, so non-humans (i.e. non-Imperials) can be removed and then it can be convened again with only proper Imperials.

>>96474385
I always thought it was dumb that Qui-Gon is stated to be the first Jedi ever to become a force ghost. The Jedi have been around for thousands of years (even if you go with just the films, they've likely been around at least one thousand, given that was stated as the age of the Republic), and nobody figured out how to do it until a few decades before the whole order is wiped out? Plus, there's a ton of examples in the EU, both before and after the prequels were made, of Jedi becoming force ghost before Qui-Gon.
I think it makes more sense to treat becoming a force ghost as something that is the natural end-result of the Jedi achieving total harmony with the will of the Force. Not something every Jedi can do, since even most Jedi don't achieve that deep of a connection with the Force, and something that by the time of the prequels may have become a lost art since other that Qui-Gon most Jedi at the time are more focused on dogma rather that following the Living Force, but something that powerful and enlightened Jedi masters have achieved before.

Sith not getting to hang around as force ghosts makes sense, since they're all about trying to bend the force to their will, not become one with it. They can extend their lifespan using dark side sorcery, but if they die they're gone for good.
Though that does leave all those ancient Sith spirits that kept popping up in the EU. My headcanon is that Soth can achieve a sort of "fake force ghost" state by binding their spirit to a location or object. Rather than merge with the Force when they die, the spirit gets stuck haunting said location or object. The Jedi would find that a fate worse than death, but the Sith would see it as a means to cheat death.

>>96477803
>FFG X-wing
Do you mean Legacy 2.0?
Most of the x-wing community plays XWA 2.5, including myself.
>4 regular TIE Fighters
At least for XWA, Not really, most TIE fighters are kinda ass for the cost. There are some exceptions like barebones 2 pointers and Magna Tolvan with a cannon + squad leader. Most current Empire lists are either 4-5 heavy hitter aces, or 2-3 aces + beefy filler like Ubbel, Karsabi or Double edge, a lambda. In my experience, Vader, Whisper, Maarek, Juno, GI and Redline are the top aces as of now.

>>96476233
>anon getting offended by the term jewyork on 4chin of all places
I don't think you belong here.

>>96478029
>XWA 2.5
Thanks didn't know that they switched companies, didn't play it for so long.

>>96477957
Was it said anywhere that dismantling the Venator was an ideological thing? Cause to my mind it was just they wanted to upgrade everything to Star Destroyers, and venators were essentially Cruisers.

I think you see that in the early imperial era they were still using Venators just fine, like in the Bad Batch, just with a white coat of paint.

>>96478155
https://www.xwing.life/
Here, check their page out. XWA is a community project, after the previous company (AMG) dropped the game. They are working on developing the game through new scenarios, new pilots, and are even working on adding new ships. Imo, they are doing a pretty good job.

>>96478169
Bad Batch was like a few days after Order 66. They had to use the old ships for awhile until the brand new VSDs and ISDs were in production. Also no muh Disney on this, either, btw, original Legends continuity Empire also got rid of the Venator for the exact same reason as in Disney canon. In fact, it's a thing from Legends later adopted into Disney.

>>96478019
>I always thought it was dumb that Qui-Gon is stated to be the first Jedi ever to become a force ghost
Because to Lucas the events that transpire in the 6 movies are THE most important cosmic events that defined his setting. Not much of importance happened before or after, none of the gorillion wars and Jedi Order wipe outs from the EU happened - nothing from the EU happened at all, it was a different world altogether. So the Whills did not consider it necessary to give this knowledge to anyone until Qui-Gon, which was a part of restoring balance to the Force.

>becoming a force ghost as something that is the natural end-result of the Jedi achieving total harmony with the will of the Force
>but something that powerful and enlightened Jedi masters have achieved before
Again, it's not just some kind of "ultimate Jedi ability on the skill tree". You have to be CHOSEN for that by the Whills, and then you have to TRAIN in order to master it, and you have to become completely enlightened. Lucas explained all of this in the interviews and in Yoda's Clone Wars arc.

>My headcanon is that Soth can achieve a sort of "fake force ghost" state by binding their spirit to a location or object
This is what Star Wars fans don't seem to get. It's not about becoming a blue ghost. It's about PRESERVING CONSCIOUSNESS AFTER DEATH. This is the key part. Blue ghost is merely a MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESERVED CONSCIOUSNESS. Qui-Gon could not manifest as a ghost, since he hadn't finished his training, so he could only be heard as a voice. But he succeeded in preserving his consciousness after death. Sith cannot in any way preserve consciousness after death. None of the loophole bullshit, like "haunting a tomb" works, because in that case they would STILL preserve consciousness after death - and that is fundamentally impossible. ANYONE, who hasn't been chosen and trained in preserving consciousness after death, and who isn't totally enlightened, dies and becomes one with the Force.

>>96478397
>ANYONE, who hasn't been chosen and trained in preserving consciousness after death, and who isn't totally enlightened, dies and becomes one with the Force
Nightsisters get that ability for free

>>96477957
>The Empire's general policy is to tear down things of the Old Republic. This includes things like the "Jedi Cruiser" aka Venator
This is mega fucking retarded lmao. The Empire wouldn't dismantle Venators, they are valid destroyer-size carriers of a specialized nature unlike the ISD. The only source in the EU that says Venators were phased out is RotS Crossections, AKA Mr. Saxton and his retarded lore that builds up to massive fuckoff ships nobody cares about. In reality there simply is no indication in the films that the Empire stops using Republican military materials, in fact we see Imperial Venators at the end of RotS around a few years after the start of the construction of the Death Star.
>>96478019
Qui-Gon didn't just learn it out of nowhere you prick, he explicitly went to the Whills which are extremely unknown to learn it from them. It's a showcase of the Old Order Jedi being too adherent to their rules and unlike Qui-Gon unwilling to delve deeper into the Force. Furthermore Qui-Gon isn't a full ghost, he's only a voice because that's how much he trained, the first full Force Ghost is probably Yoda
As for Sith spirits, that's lame ngl, Siths are too materialistic to even want to become Force Ghosts

>>96478623
Fuck off, ventressfaggot. Shove this disney-filoni crappy fanfiction up your ass.

>>96479052
it's so easy to make you mad

the point still stands, the nightsisters get that for free

>>96479428
Yeah, and Palpatine somehow returned and got killed by Rey Skywalker, right? No one cares about Disney slop. Not canon. No point stands. Jump out of the window, do a flip, and live-stream it, faggot.

>>96479445
despite how shit it is, yes

>>96479458
Nope. Only subhumans acknowledge and consume disney slop. You are one. Congratulations.

>>96479484
imagine being this miserable

>>96479495
NTA but objectively speaking it's far more miserable to consume Disneyslop than to ignore it and just go with the old EU. Disneyslop and Filonislop consistently disappoint

>>96479507
thats why I only watch the good stuff

>>96479690
Disney doesn't make good stuff. So you're lying.

>>96479749
majority of the animated content, andor, mando S1 was good

>>96479940
No. You have shit taste.

>>96479940
>Majority of the animated content
Kek. TCW was a garbage attempt at copying parts of the MMP while crapping all over the original authors and inserting in Filoni's OCs and fanfic storylines, ruining basic arcs like the war itself or Anakin's evolution in exchange for Ahsoka and Rex. Rebels was even worse, an actual show for toddlers with time travel and Thrawn and Vader being made into fucking jokes. The Tales series are like TCW, cheaply copying MMP and EU media while removing what makes them interesting and going with the dullest, least Star Wars plotlines possible. I don't even need to get into Resistance or other basically unknown shows which only three people ever watched
>andor
As stated before, not Star Wars but generic cyberpunk grimdark with Tarkin and Mon Mothma plastered over it pretty much. If you changed the aesthetics you'd lose any sense of Star Wars. It's absolute shit and worst of all craps over the Prequels once again with how Coruscant is shown
>mando S1
Boring as fuck "western" show without the western part or any real tension. Djarin should have just been Boba Fett but Disney didn't want to glorify Boba being a merciless bounty hunter so they made a shitty Pascal clone while the real Boba got neutered into a faggot. Baby Yoda is just fucking marketing bait, it's pathetic as fuck.

None of these shows have anything worthwhile. The Holiday Special is more valuable than all of them combined. You're either a shill or desperate as fuck and have no standards for what makes good Star Wars, in which case I'd recommend you actually go read GOOD Star Wars instead of settling for whatever Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy and Filoni and their little crew shit over your mouth

>>96480083
>>96480176
>i'm miserable and need to make everbody else miserable because I cannot find enjoyment in anything

you really are a blight, given that you never mention what makes you happy/what you like so you just bring the entire thread down for attention

>>96480466
>Literally mention the MMP and the EU numerous times as the original thing Disneyslop tries to cheaply copy and what people should actually experience
>NOOO YOU NEVER MENTION WHAT YOU LIKE YOU'RE JUST A HECKIN' NEGATIVE BLIGHT O ALGO

>>96480478
you never talk about it, you mention it in passing as a comparison
rather than constantly complain, maybe talk about what you personally like?

or are you just a person who uses them as an example to compare to to just go "disney bad, EU good" and actually doesn't really give a shit about them?

>>96480498
I like Star Wars that actually feels like Star Wars. The fantasy, the drama, the worldbuilding all fits. I like stories which actually have stakes and arcs instead of shitty TV slop designed to not think about and just mindlessly clap at. I like it when media has consistency and doesn't just write over what other people have done because the writer doesn't like it (btw did you know Andor and K2SO meeting had a comic with a completely different story long before the TV show was made, which ignored it because the director just didn't give a shit? Did you know there have been like three Ahsoka backstories, all of which Filoni has ignored over and over again?) I like it when media respects my intelligence enough to allow me to see the good and bad in conflicts and factions, unlike in Disney where Tarkin crushes civvies for no reason and the "bad" rebels like Saw Guerrera are given free passes every time. I like it when Star Wars goes dark in a way that fits the universe, like the deadliest battles of the Clone Wars or the Empire genociding planets, instead of when it's just generic cyberpunk trash which doesn't feel SW at all and could be reskinned over and nothing would change. I like it when we see more aliens and planets and cultures and weapons and cool new vehicles instead of the same three things over and over and over again, or generic planets and aliens with no cool details, or vehicles which look like total shit (the Andor Imperial "Jeeps" are literal fucking boxes kek). Need I go on?

>>96480576
You sound immensely butthurt for no real reason, and your only 'argument' is that you don't like Andor because, it's just le heckin' not real star wars, it just isn't.

>>96480665
And you keep demonstrating Disneytroons like yourself have no actual defense of modern Star Wars. Whenever anyone points out the obvious flaws and shit that new SW products are, the only defense you can muster is "you just hate the new stuff" or "you're a contrarian". No attempt to provide a proper defense because you can't, both because you are unaware of the EU since you haven't read it and because there just isn't a way to defend modern Star Wars beyond appeals to authority and emotion. It's sad

>>96480576
>>96480478
>>96480176
EU is fanfiction. You also have no right to complain about grimdark while shilling Republic comic shit, which were designed to be junkfood for early 2000's white trash teenagers, lmao. Talk about games or fuck off to reddit where you belong.

>>96480687
>EU is fanfiction
I don't give a shit about what George believes is canon, I care about what is good.
>You also have no right to complain about grimdark while shilling Republic comic shit, which were designed to be junkfood for early 2000's white trash teenagers
Republic comics are way more indepth than any early 2000s trash you talk about. Furthermore it's dark but it actually fits Star Wars, it deals with actual moral conflicts in universe and focuses on what the movies establish and further developments on similar themes. This is different to Andor which shares exactly zero with standard Star Wars except having Mon Mothma in it and having the same promotional images any modern SW produce has, such as Stormtroopers
>Talk about games or fuck off
Curious how this only comes when I point out the EU is better, and not when someone is shilling modern Disney shit. Sounds to me like someone is coping hard that he can't defend it so only NOW is when /swg/ is for games, not before but NOW

>>96428790
She looks weirdly like Natalie Portman with a dyejob

>>96467411
>What happened to "trust your feelings"?
I don't know. It honestly feels like they were already losing track of that somewhere around Dagobah.

>>96431683
Mortis was in one of the FaD books?

>>96480686
>no actual defense of modern Star Wars
you're not even really attacking, just babbling incoherently, what's there to defend?

>>96440110
>he walks into the cave
>rows of shining crystals form the words "DON'T LOSE IT THIS TIME, TWOSUN" and an arrow pointing at the new crystal

>>96445959
>Saxtonism
Only you seethe about this.

>>96456347
>her ponytail is sticking out the helmet
Bruh, she's gonna die in the cockpit if she doesn't fix that and reseal the armor

>>96481004
Eh, she’s a Tie pilot.

>>96479507
I watch what they put out, I'm not miserable.

Andor was great.

Kenobi is good, I think people are being assmad on purpose.

Ahsoka was alright. Had some good moments, but it definitely could have tightened the pace.

Mandalorian was great. I do think they fumbled the Mandobowl though.

Book of Boba Fett is uneven is what it is. It's got good parts and bad parts. Its problem is all the good parts have nothing to do with what the plot is ostensibly about.

Acolyte was middle of the road. It had interesting moments, but I felt it was lacking this sort of grounding that would have let it hit a lot harder. Hard for me to place.

Skeleton Crew is peak.

Bad Batch is peak.

The Tales series isn't exactly hit or miss, I think they're all good. I do think they're a bit too short for their own good. They should just be combined into like one show, with the individual episodes compiled into single episodes.

Visions is peak.

Everything to do with the lego series is peak.

But I'm not part of the chudslop fandom so what do I know. Apparently I'm not a real star wars fan.

>>96481924
>People who don't just eat Disney shit they keep pumping out are chuds who hate because they wanna hate
Imagine being this delusional, that people just hate for no reason instead of actually hearing out others on why they suck ass

>>96481924
>Kenobi is good, I think people are being assmad on purpose.
Man, everything else could have been a human opinion, but not this. Be more careful next time you troll, anon.

>>96482928
I'm serious. The only critiques I've seen are about the initial premise, or nitpicks.

I understand if you don't like the premise of Vader and Kenobi fighting before New Hope. I think that's an entirely fair reason to not like it. It is unfair to then insist therefore nothing in it is good, and nobody else is allowed to like it.

I just feel like 'Kenobi/Ahsoka/Acolyte are the worst thing ever made' is just becoming a truism with nothing behind it whatsoever. Usually because people don't want to actually discuss the merits of the stories or anything like that, they want to dunk on everything Disney does. And if there's anything contravening to it, it's because you're trolling or a disney-shill. Opinions aren't allowed unless they're the pre-approved ones.

I noticed the same thing with the sequels. Which don't get me wrong, are definitely the worst of the Star Wars films (and I lump the two spinoffs in their own category in that regard). It was just you were never allowed to go into things point by point, you HAD to hate them. I think the sequel hate has died down a bit- nobody I think outright likes them, but honest discussion isn't shouted down as much, as people have found the new big thing to fixate on instead.

>>96483117
It's not a nitpick to complain when the sci fi show from a multi billion dollar franchise has CGI that looks very cheap and bad, or the action scenes are unconvincing, or the dialog is clearly a first draft.

>>96478169
The Venator was replaced because it was a bad design made by a civilization who had forgotten how to make war (at that scale). It tries to do too many things at once and just ends up being bad at all of them.

You need something bigger to fit all that they wanted the Venator to do, and even then, they gutted most of the carrier capacity on the ISD.
>but muh 700 fighters!!1!
Don't mean shit when you're fighting droid-filled vessels that can launch 1,500 or even 10,000 fighters. Especially when the amount of fighters you can actually launch is restricted by how many pilots you actually have available, unlike your enemy. You'd be much better served blowing a Lucrehulk to shit from long range with an ISD's stronger battery than trying to beat it at its own game.

The Republic Navy realized the Venator was woefully undergunned and that's why by the end of the war they're hastily retrofitting them with literal GUN DECKS using what are originally ground-based artillery pieces.

>>96478397
>Lucas wants me to think the Jedi are not only good, but the path to TOTAL ENLIGHTENMENT
What a fucking hack that created this setting.

>>96478758
>The Empire wouldn't dismantle Venators, they are valid destroyer-size carriers of a specialized nature unlike the ISD
They would, and they aren't. See >>96483380

>>96483380
lets not forget replacing the underside hangar with a giant fucking laser because the venator itself doesn't have the required firepower to take down ships by itself and NEEDS bombers to do most of the heavy lifting

the venator is just a bad ship design, it's cool looking, but only useful as a carrier
no wonder the empire replaced it in less than 2 years with the ISD

>>96483380
The two bridges are insane. It's like the problems with tanks with two primary guns but amplified a thousand times. But I do think that having the hanger in the center of the craft that opens up is better than a square hanger that opens down.

>>96483875
There's only one bridge, the other is a flight control tower.

>>96483380
The gutted capacity on the ISD is mega fucking retarded, literal remnants from back in D6 when Executors had at most like three hundred TIEs because of game balance. In reality an ISD could easily fit as much as the Venator, though it would be far less effective at deployment due to only having two hangar bays at the bottom of the ship.
>Don't mean shit when you're fighting droid-filled vessels that can launch 1,500 or even 10,000 fighters
We are consistently shown that a single clone pilot can take out more than fifty Vultures. Furthermore the Venator DOES have PD and a ton of it, going by your D6 lore assumptions which are clearly incorrect you ought to be pissed off at the ISDII which lacks PD (or more correctly the writers assumed people would just take the stats from the ISDI and instead it became canon that the ISDII lacks PD for some fucking reason)
>You'd be much better served blowing a Lucrehulk to shit from long range with an ISD's stronger battery than trying to beat it at its own game
Two different things. Destroying the Lucrehulk won't help with the fighter problem because droids are not controlled from Lucrehulks post-TPM.
>The Republic Navy realized the Venator was woefully undergunned
They pushed a carrier as a capital ship due to desperation, not bad design. The Venator is good at other roles. The Victory is the intended capital destroyer which you seem to have forgotten about, and it took over that role during the late CW period before the Imperator
>>96483437
This is even dumber. The Rebellion DEALS in lone fighters, having a good fighter defense fleet is far more valid in tactics against them than big ass capital ships since you will barely see Rebels field anything bigger than a Nebulon B or a small Mon Cala ship (Home One is a singular exception and even then it's smaller than an ISD)

>>96483117
>Usually because people don't want to actually discuss the merits of the stories
What merits? Objectively, what merits do any of the shows you mentioned have exactly?
>Opinions aren't allowed unless they're the pre-approved ones
If you want to suck up to Disney, go back to the main SW subreddit where Disney criticism is illegal and only le heckin' bigoted chuds do it. This is a space where people can actually discuss how shit nu-SW is freely
>It was just you were never allowed to go into things point by point, you HAD to hate them
Right, it's not like there are Mauler reviews that last like four hours tackling every single awful point in the ST beat by beat
>I think the sequel hate has died down a bit
Sequels, unlike the PT, have nothing to be talked about. They are so objectively shit, so pathetic and worthless, that nobody even cares about them. That's the funny part, that while Disneytards will keep moaning that people will eventually like them or something the fact of the matter is that by now they are forgotten films. Nobody remembers them. They're in the depths of film history, media nobody cares about enough to mention.

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I mean what actually happens in the show.

I'll give you an example: The actress for Leia knocks it out of the park every scene she's in. She acts like she's the most important person in any room she's in, and that's cause she is. And this is taken from the movies, where Han and Luke were a couple of yahoo's and Leia was the only character with real authority in the Rebel Alliance. And I thought it was quite well done the subtlety of Obi-Wan clearly seeing both Anakin and Padme in her, getting wigged out about that (given how terribly that ended in Revenge of the Sith) but also trying not to put that shit on her, and trying to cherish those moments while avoiding attachments.

Also I loved everything to do with the conman Jedi.

Or you can keep making this about your emotions and how offended you are that someone says anything contrary to THE NARRATIVE.

I mean lets be real. Lets say I'm wrong about everything. Woopti-fucking-do. Am I singlehandedly gonna brainwash everyone into agreeing with me? If this was just about opinions on media, there wouldn't be this need for comforty. If people like something that's shit, it doesn't some how endanger the community.