>MY DELTARUNE
What is Gaster's problem? Doesn't he know that the game was made by Toby Fox?

>>713944829 (OP)
>AMBATURUNE

>>713944829 (OP)
He is literally Toby's self insert.
Just like Kris
And Spamton
And the dog

>>713944829 (OP)
Gaster is Toby's scrimblosona
The twitter posts, "Royal Sciences LLC"

>>713944829 (OP)
I need more pictures of Dess

Lets get this started correctly in the schizo way.
What the FUCK did Toby mean by this? You can see the red herrings so easily now

>>713945105

>>713945002
and Alphys

>>713944829 (OP)
Toriel fucked Gaster. That's how Kris was born.

>>713945105
Same but more specifically I need pictures of Dess not drawn by westoids.

>>713945239
And Starwalker

>>713945164
>firegrave
YOUR WONDERFUL SCHIZOPOST

has been discarded.

>>713945239
>>713945307
And Noelle

>>713945216
Man, I love that gif.

>>713945239
and Asgore :(

My underground. My Undertale. My Deltarune.

>be toby cuck
>every straight couple in your game is divorced

how will the reveal that kris is female affect the player base at large?
i personally think everything will turn out fine

>>713945252
CANON

>>713944829 (OP)
Play the DeltaChars mod https://mb.srb2.org/addons/deltachars.5139/

>>713945341
Let's all thank Noelle for making the horrid beast of darkness that did something(????) to her sister.

>>713945216
>huecycles design

>>713945323
>noelle learns healing
>ralsei can use fire already
>flower shop next
>flames of jealousy
Equip the other ThornRing on Ralsei
FireGrave
Proceed

>>713945383
at least the gay ones cant marry

>>713944829 (OP)
Reminder he will be the true final boss only unlocked after you 100% the rest of the game. His fight will have 6 phases, one for each soul color (orange and cyan will be a single soul and will work like Ikaruga).
The fight is also being balanced so a frame perfect no damage run lasts one hour and 6 minutes and is so hard that the person to beat him the fastest will do it in their 66th try

I think the main reason people are against papyrus knight theory is because for some off reason; deltarune fans don't want undertale characters to be important to deltarune, but I think the possibility is higher than Carol and even rival Dess in some aspects, or at the very least will be revealed to be a lacky of sorts for the knight, I would bet my soul on it, papyrus will be important and we will have a fight against him.

>>713945383
SIR
YOUR CATTENHEIMERS

Kris doesn't know about respawns right? That's between us and gaster I imagine

>>713944829 (OP)
THIS MY DELTARINE

>>713945252
She should have udders instead of breasts

>>713945440
i need the soul version of this

>>713945474
Papyrus Knight and Rudy Knight are both peak.
Papyrus Knight is sadder because Papyrus is either the same from UT but broken and wants to bring about the end of the “real world” or he’s NOT the Papyrus from UT meaning that Sans is actually truly alone in every way besides [You]

>>713945474
A friendly advice from someone who was heavily invested in Ralsei is Flowey theory - give it up already. Literally the only argument against Dess being Knight right now is that "It's too obvious". Papyrus may be a man behind the tree, but there's literally zero chance he'll be the Knight.

Im more shocked that some people are in denial about romance being a big and important part of the game

>>713945587

>>713945587

>>713945383
>Be me
>Play Toby Fox game
>End up being kiss practice for lesbians who then say they never really had feelings for me
Its really fucking weird that it keeps happening. I can't tell if its Temmie or him that keeps doing it.

>>713945698
>starwalker
kino

>>713945474
literally the only reason people think the knight will be papyrus is because they want to see papyrus. there is absolutely no evidence pointing to him whatsoever.

>>713945164
>not a single cat in sight
fake as fuck

>>713945474
The main reason for me right now is that he's only been mentioned in passing as sans' brother and not had any presence in the story. If The Knight turned out to be someone we haven't even seen in some way these past chapters, even optionally, then it's just going to be a narrative wash since there's nothing to look back on that would have been an obvious sign he's the knight beyond "he's been hiding in his house the whole time!"
At least if it's Carol we can cope with the fact she got a strong non-knight introduction.

>>713945525
I'd have Kris grunting like the little bitch she is.

>>713945525

What was your reaction to Whoriel?

>>713945514
I don't think he's shown any signs of it
I do think it's possible he has Ralsei-tier foresight, though

>>713945383
>Holidays
>Cattenheimers
>dragon family
>Snowdrakes, technically

>>713945791
God i want to fuck the shit out of him

>>713945653
The argument against Dess knight is that Deltarune is a story about growing up. What is more rewarding, an undead deer girl trying to live or a dying dad trying to bring back what he had (family, friends, life)
I legitimately think Toby is going to pull a New Vegas and tell us we need to let go of the past and try to move forward. No idea what the weird route may mean in that context though

>>713945823
At first I was like "what the fuck?" and then I was like "what the fuck..."

>>713945514
>>713945829
>start save on chapter 4 without a previous lead in

>>713945823
Disgust

>>713945823
i coomed liters

>>713945823
I’m so angry I’m gonna go groom and rape Noelle more

>>713945653
>Papyrus may be a man behind the tree
That would make the trousles in the skeleton house strange

>>713945823
I empathized with Kris a lot

>>713945823
>Ope there's the comic relief ending with Sans and Toriel!
>Why didn't Susie stay?
>Ohhhh

>>713945823
>HE ACTUALLY BEFRIENDED MY MOM LMAOOO

>>713945823
confusion at the sudden tone shift, then realization when it cuts to kris in bed
didn't even notice the non verbal suffering kris and susie went through until later

>>713945474
he wasn't even important in undertale

i miss this little nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>713945823

Why are we enabling this eggman to stalk this child that he may or may not have traumatized
It's not even for the good of the experiment, he's deemed an issue

>>713945823
I can't stop jerking off to Torte since then.

>>713945979
The mention of eggs is Papyrus. Think about it, what’s his favorite food? What does his genocide description say and what does the man ask?
But the only one who knows these things about Papy is Flowey Asriel

>>713945884
What are you on about

>>713946069
Frisk would unironically survive.

>>713946069
>What if my LE protagonist had LE emotions
>And didn't WANT to be my LE protagonist
>WHAT? PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIM?
Maybe there's a reason why no one else does it.

>>713945164
>chapter 3 "leak" is 90% shit that just didn't happen (undyne didn't get grilled, the trash flowers didn't even appear, toriel was asleep the whole time, no purple soul, idk wtf the bullet is even meant to be, chess piece was knight to C3)
>chapter 4 "leak" has a single funny coincidence and the green soul (which was predicted by reverse undertale theory anyways) and everything else is just vague bullshit working off of it being a church dark world

>>713946089
>Torte
Kek funny typo

>>713945474
Papyrus is the Egg Man

now its weirdly possible he could also be the knight but that seems unlikely. Unless it's like, his shell is running around as the knight and he isn't even aware because he forgot himself

>>713945823
genuinely felt bad

>>713945403
You think the devs knew the game was soloable as Susie?

>>713945884
>deltarune is a story about growing up
>nfw a game that is primarily consumed by autistic they/them panqueertransuals who have been writing Steven Universe fics for the better part of 15 years is telling me to let go of the past
>some fag turtle even preaches about how he's waiting for kids to write the next generation of who the fuck knows
thanks toby, your preachiness really tickled my cock

>>713946136
I like Kris because they're interesting
there's nothing interesting about Frisk they're just the player's will 99% of the time

Is Kris secretly a schizo?

>>713946109
Rudy is dying. He’s the knight. He wants to bring about the roaring to get his fantasy world back (noelle and him playing games, dess alive, carol not a bitch, toriel and asgore together)
But he’s dying so what can he do? He can retreat into the fantasy worlds at night, when it’s dark yet darker still. He’s already dying, why not stab himself and become a fountain

>>713946281
I wouldn't say that is a secret

>>713946281
the final schizo boss

>>713945814

>>713946136
>>WHAT? PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIM?
bruh

>>713945341
>have thumbnail gifs enabled
>mfw didn't even notice it was a gif until you pointed it out

>>713946234
this.
Kris having motives that directly and diageticly go against the players is one of the more interesting protag gimmicks as of late, and it's done masterfully. Kid is funny and cool as hell

>>713945930
Isn't this the typical dialogue for having some but not all recruits

>>713946181
Honestly I think the Egg Man and The Knight are on opposite side of whatever conflict is actually going on.
It's just the vibes I get of the Egg Quest being uncompletable in the Snowgrave Route but in the same secttion it forces you to fight Spamton NEO and get a Shadow Crystal.
Not to mention the Sword Route of Chapter 3 being a mini-Snowgrave Route that gets you something that against helps you get a Shadow Crystal.
And the Knight probably being the source of the Shadow Crystals.

>>713946281
he's the original

schizo

>>713945341
They're pretty fun

>>713946312
Knight is not trying to bring the Roaring, you retard.
>He’s already dying, why not stab himself and become a fountain
Why not make a fountain at the hospital so that Noelle could try and heal him then?

>>713946223
He’s Gaster. He created his Deltarune finally, but the author got absorbed in his work before it ends. It’s our job to end it and move on.
Asgore, Rudy, Carol, Dess Kris: Can’t move on
Sans, Toriel, Susie: Are learning to move on
Asriel, Papyrus: Has moved on fully

>>713946137
>Chapter 3 gets delayed, making the burning rose something that was pushed later in the story
>Red herrings playing into people's earlier theories about burning Undyne alive clearly there to throw off the scent
>Somehow predicts that Susie and Kris will have Tenna in front of the school closet
>Manages to predict the fourth chapter is the church at all
>People before Chapters 3 + 4 released believed the festival would be the finale
>It's actually Chapter 5, and the pic shows this, complete with flowers leaning into the "field of pink and gold" theory people have had since they've seen Gerson mention it
You fail to understand anything beyond 100% truths and 100% falsehoods

>>713945002
And the bear

>>713946281
>secretly

>>713946483
>>713945002
>>713945239
>>713945307
>>713945339
>>713945350
MY DELTARUNE

>>713946430
What does magic do in the real world anon? Do you actually get hurt playing pretend? Can a heal spell in pretend cure lung cancer or bring back a girl that died?
The two characters who can’t moge on no matter what: Rudy and Asgore. Asgore couldn’t move on in UT when Rudy died either.

Remember: To spin, is to trust

>>713945653
I believe that Dess is being puppeted by Gaster and that the knight is her corpse being used as a vessel, but I also believe that we'll get Papyrus in chapter 5 and that he'll be working for the knight or confused as the Knight, I just don't see Paps not being important in someway to the plot, there's hints to him being important to the gaster list when you name the vessel, reverse undertale theory is still going strong and chapter 5 would be snowdin and if I remember correctly, Sans said he'll show up around the time the festival starts, he's going to show up and I believe it'll be a situation where the knight is manipulating him like flowey did in undertale
>>713946015
It could very easily be a narrative choice for deltarune too, someone who's forgettable ending up being important? it seems in line for something to be done with it here, we didn't even see his actual special attack either and Toby does seem to be bringing back ideas that wasn't in undertale into this game (like a mettaton neo fight being spamton neo and Gerson showing up), I'm just convinced that there's something more here to Papyrus than just a running gag of him not showing up
>>713946181
I don't really see him being the egg man desu, there could be something to it but the egg man seems too different from what we know about Papyrus

>>713946612
>What does magic do in the real world anon? Do you actually get hurt playing pretend? Can a heal spell in pretend cure lung cancer or bring back a girl that died?
That's why I wrote "try".

>the children follow the pointed tail
>dragon blazers is based on the prophecy
>breath of fire 2 has children following the pointed tail in a cave in the woods
>breath of fire has dragons
>the tail belongs to a demon
FRIEND IS A DEMON. TRUST THE PLAN

ITS TIME FOR THE REAL SCHIZO THEORY
THE ANNONYING DOG IS THE ANGEL AND OR GOD
THE FRIENDLY CAT IS THE DEVIL OR DEMON
THEY’RE OPPOSITES
ALL DOG ENCOUNTERS ARE LIGHT HEARTED AND A JOKE
ALL CAT ENCOUNTERS ARE DARK AND SERIOUS UNSETTLING
WE CAT VS DOGS UP IN THIS SHIT
PICK A SIDE

>>713946672
He did try. The bunker is that result. It’s going to be an old dark world, and you’re going to find Dess, but she’ll be like Gerson. A memory that encourages you to move on. I bet Asriel will be there too.

>>713946469
>end it and move on

>>713946581
I like this comic
Though the "sour face" would be better with more rage and guilt

I am now convince that deltarune's ending will not live up the speculation that is currently happening.

>>713946379
Yeah that's why I am much more of a Papyrus Eggman theorist (or another skeleton, like a 2nd gaster or even Grandpa Semi) than I am a Papyrus Knight theorist

>>713946832
blame Toby Washed for releasing it in parts

>>713946281
I want his decisions for us to get more deranged as he starts to lose it.

>>713946832
/v/ will make a fangame

>>713945823
At first I thought it was supposed to be a lighthearted scene to help end the chapter on a lighter note, I didn’t even catch Kris’ reactions at first because I was so shocked to see Sans being part of the immediate plot. After Toriel fell over that’s when I realized that something was wrong as hell. I tried turning off the music to no avail. The bed scene honestly flabbergasted me, I couldn’t believe that I was seeing/hearing this shit in a Toby Fox game, in fact part of me was in slight denial that it was a (plausibly deniable) offscreen sex scene even though it was obvious

>>713946832
blame yourself for setting your expectations unreasonably high as to be unfulfillable

>>713945474
I think he'll have some importance, but I don't think he'll be the knight.

>>713944829 (OP)
>MY DELTARUNE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGnLYHf4hA

>>713945823
it was funny until the next scene

>>713945639
>meaning that Sans is actually truly alone in every way besides [You]
Oh, is poor widdle Sans gonna cry because he's aww awone now? Good. Fuck him. His suffering makes me happy and fills me with DETERMINATION.

>>713946181
wait, you can turn into dark world kris in mancountry or is that just a mockup?

>>713946920
I can see how you can interpret that as an offscreen sex scene, but you have to be a schizo to think that's what's actually happening in the same game that got multiple hotfixes to patch out an animation that some shitposters on /v/ interpreted as sexual.

>>713946920
He added mom NTR and deflowering a mentally broken girl. I wonder how much farther it’s going to go.
I’m excited

The Deltarune is Susie, aka the monster with Determination.
Think about what Alphys was trying to do in the true lab, think about Susie's actions since ch1, then think about Gerson coaching Susie.
The game only has one ending because the goal was never to alter the prophecy in the first place, it was the Deltarune, the monster with determination, in all routes the story ends with the end of all Darkners, however depending on if the player unlocked Susie's determination, things will carry on from there.
Ultra schizo mode: Toby will release a free software that will check for a savefile with Susie having determination with it, and if it finds one, it will open as a direct continuation of the game, and that's only in that game where Gaster actually appears and fights (you) over Susie.

>>713947054
The Man turns you back into dark world Kris after talking to him.

>>713947054
after you talk to the man, you turn into the dark world fit

>>713947054
This literally happens the second Egg Man gives you the egg and tells you to "get dressed"

>>713946920
Its not offscreen sex. They're gabbing. Its still bad because Toriel is outright being a shitty parent who doesn't know/care where her kid and their friends are.

Also probably meant more to emulate the feeling of being in a broken home and coming home to see mom/dad hanging out with someone else. You don't need to hear sloppy fuck sounds to realize that its deeply uncomfortable.

>>713946832
ending is us versus noelle or us versus kris

kris's broken home is hitting too close for me.

>>713946181
I see someone understood my cryptic line last thread

>>713946832
DR will finish with chapter 0 prologue/timeline shift before the divorce and before Dess' disappearance, leading up to the kids following the tail near the graveyard but the pointed tail thing is defeated instead.

It's my opinion that pointed tail dude is a darkner capable of existing in the light world, and for some miracle you'll be able to use your dark world abilities in the light world to fight it and kill it. Ultimately closing off dark worlds forever too. Saying goodbye to Ralsie as a paralel to forgiving Asriel in UT.

>>713946832
You're right, it's going to be even better. You just have to trust in the dog.

>>713947110
>>713947115
>>713947118
holy shit, I never noticed
and I opened the dark world menu to check the egg out, even

>>713947083
Susie's name actually being Susie Gaster becuase she was either adopted or created by him is something I unironically believe

Ralsei's secretly a freak, I know it

>>713947047
You’re gonna play the sequel to deltrarune and sans will show up and say “huh we gotta stop meeting like this. i almost think you wanna “befriend” me”
Toby ships Sans x [You]

>>713945823
>Sans fucks your mom
Extremely based. I basedjacked and kneeled before my screen.

no matter how many times people say its an offscreen sex scene, I will never imagine Toby making his no. 1 popular character a date rapist. That's like, integrity suicide.

>>713947071
Anon he didn't patch out the sexual assault undetones he just worked to ensure that the term "de-flowering" wouldn't sour the game's reputation

>>713947245

>>713947284
does toby actually like sans that much

>>713947230
Same, the grandpa semi is real

>>713947284
>integrity suicide.
No, Asgore killed her.

>Sans Undertale
Cool
>Sans Deltarune
Homewrecking asshole

>>713945474
I'm against it because it's stupid fanfiction bullshit and nobody who's honestly engaging with the story instead of desperately clinging to the idea that Deltarune is Undertale 2 would ever consider it

>>713945823
>Lol what the hell
>...
>Fuck off Sans....ffs Toriel

>>713946137
>fried fish appears as one of the images scrolling in the back of the cantina minigame
>bullets are the wild west minigame
>toriel is in the chapter and her face gets contorted at one point
>purple heart mechanics got shifted to a mike minigame
While this chart isn't 100% accurate, I can definitely believe someone close to the development made some lucky guesses based on the limited information they had. Too many coincidences as well as chapter 3 being in development hell for 3 years with tons of revisions makes me believe in this image

>>713947232
you're easily swayed by imageboard posts

>>713947362
He ain't fucking stopping us.

>>713947337
The fact that you ”equip” noelle with a “thorn” and she bleeds, followed by the now symbolism of the thorns and the cracking screen, is pretty obvious what he meant.
“Loss of innocence” is a bullshit cope that’s ALWAYS mean deflowerinh

>>713945850
Don't forget the Booms.

>>713945823
Unironically heartbroken for Kris and Susie. Seriously, all jokes about Toriel being the town bicycle aside, this one scene made me lose a fuckload of respect for her as a mother figure. I get she has needs, I get she was lonely and stressed, but when you're a mom who is still taking care of a child, there are things you just don't fucking do. Getting shitfaced drunk with some dude you barely know and inviting him into your home is not something a responsible parent does, and the people who try and brush it under the rug with "oh she just made a mistake" or "oh Kris is old enough to understand" piss me off because they don't get how something like that can damage a kid, even a teenager. I hate how so many people want to downplay the gravity of the scene just because "muh Soriel".

licking Kris blue anus

>>713947245
>Those PuppyKrises
My FUGGIN DICK

ORE NO
DELTARUNE

>>713946471
>Red herrings playing into people's earlier theories about burning Undyne alive clearly there to throw off the scent
That's Talapia you retard.
>Somehow predicts that Susie and Kris will have Tenna in front of the school closet
Are you serious nigger? We've brought every character to castle town, bringing tenna there is literally not a guess.
>Manages to predict the fourth chapter is the church at all
We also all knew this since church was the morning after. People didn't know the situation it'd happen in, but they assumed it'd be the church.

>>713947245
>secretly

>>713947362
w-would that hurt

>>713946471
If it isn't 100% true then it's wrong. Simple as.

>>713946832
The speculation isn't even about the ending it's about shipping. I was about to say it was about the identity of the Knight but we don't actually have any facts that allow us to come anywhere close to definitively saying which of the Holidays it is. Like we actually don't know ANYTHING about any of the Holidays that would even be considered a hint as to which one is the Knight.

The problem is that the story hasn't actually done anything - it's still setting shit up. The characters are fucking around with mundane issues while existential problems are staring them in the face. It's not like Undertale where Frisk was fucking stuck and had to get out and fell ass backwards into some serious shit. Deltarune tells us the serious shit is here and everyone is still going to school or whatever the fuck. At least Asgore was established as a "boss" both as king and the guy pushing Frisk around - you don't even fucking know why the Knight is doing anything.

The game hasn't actually set any expectations - the speculation has almost nothing to do with the story.

>>713947342

>>713947283
This is a meme but the fact that there are people who like this game who are so emotionally dysfunctional that they can't pick up on how obviously fucked this scene is still fucking nuts to me.

The fact that they're all clowns from the "media literacy" brigade on xitter and Worse Twitter and justify their idiocy with pseudointellectual bullshit is not surprising though.

>>713947284
>rapist
Anon your goatmom is a hoe, I'm sorry this is how you had to find out but that shit was definitely consensual on her part.

>>713945656
I don't deny that there are clear romantic themes but it is exceedingly obvious that shipfags seem to think it's the main dish of the game, meanwhile you play Chapter 4 proper (the one where people keep posting the same 4-5 collages) and it's just lore bombshell after lore bombshell of shit that has NOTHING to do with romance

>>713947539
It would be extremely painful

>>713947362
>>713947472
People have joked it's Susie or Noelle, but Kris will sit in the cuck chair.

How do I find a Holywatercooler GF guys?
I'm fighting her right now and I'm in love.

>>713945474
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
>Has not appeared yet but his name when entered in the goner maker gets the same reaction that Asriel, Berdly, Asgore and other important characters get.
>In undertale, he wanted to join the royal guard because he wanted to become powerful, popular, and prestigious. Working under the mayor will give you all that and more.
>In Undertale, Undyne specifically called out Papyrus for his incredible strength. This implies they are around the same strength level or Papyrus may be stronger than her, which would explain why he carried her across hometown so easily.
>The knight never kills the party in their first encounter the same way Papyrus never kills Frisk. Both posses incredible control over their attacks
>The doors that the knight hides in are for a large person. Papyrus is big but just small enough to fit in those doors.
>The knight's head is a red hearing. It is a helmet. Something Carol could have given Papyrus as an insignia of working for the Holidays [YouTube] Deltarune Chapter 4 - Thinking of the Knight (embed)
>Papyrus's white snow effect that appears when approaching his fighting grounds is the same as the black effect when leaving the chapter 3 dark world.
>Papyrus being a powerful person manipulated into doing the dirty work of the Mayor could serve as an obvious thematic parallel to the weird route. Sans was concerned about Flowey's influence on him in Undertale.
>Dess is trapped in the code/dark world. She is most likely being searched for.
>Carol has a festival and other mayor duties to deal with. She can't do those things and be the knight at the same time.
>Besides, if she was caught it would ruin her career as the mayor. Papyrus is some new guy desperate for attention and fame. Perfect for the job.
>And most damning of all, It is physically impossible for the above does to do pic related or morph into a floating ball without seriously messing up their bodily anatomy.

>>713947537
Id pull up his skirt but we're already there

gerson in undertale says the delta rune's original meaning is lost to history and what the top-most triangle, thought to represent an angel (of mercy or death, whichever), is supposed to mean isn't known

this will probably be insanely relevant for gaster later

>>713947502

The Genocide run in Undertale is justified now to get revenge for Kris :^)

>>713947675
will toby really make the final superboss a chair?

>>713947502
This, but fem Kris only.
>>713947539
It depends on the growth phase of her antlers.

>>713947675
What do you think the cloth on the chair is?
It could be Gaster's lab coat

>>713945656
>>713947665
Kriselle and Krusie CHUDS lost. SuselleGAWDS won. The only romance is this one.

>>713947628
1.That is not my Goatmom, that is Kris's, fuck off.
2. Look up date rape, absolute degenerate. Fucking Austin Powers knew better.

>>713945823
Couldn't believe my eyes when she fell over drunk

>>713947485
Anon you’re really not fucking ready for what’s gonna happen.
It’s worse when you’re from a home like this

>>713947665
>shipfags seem to think it's the main dish of the game
I'm going to cut you off there. Because of anonymity, you can't see who makes which posts, so you assume there are two different groups of people in these threads. In reality, most of the people who engage in lore discussions also engage in shipping discussions.

Berdly post

>>713947740
YOURE
TOO
CUTE

>>713945656
Someone in a different thread said that they think the only reason Toby made Deltarune was because of romance.
which is dumb, he should be ashamed of himself for that take. Also it's a big difference from saying the game has romantic themes

>>713947665
>lore bombshell after lore bombshell of shit that has NOTHING to do with romance
anon-chama, I...

>>713947808
YEAH BABY

>>713947793
this thing feels sinister
how

>>713947568
>Like we actually don't know ANYTHING about any of the Holidays that would even be considered a hint as to which one is the Knight.
Noelle is Noelle
Rudy is a bedridden cancer patient
Carol gets called to the house by Kris and she's still there when we directly go from her house to the Church, where The Knight is already waiting for us
The Knight HAS A FUCKING BASEBALL BAT
gosh golly fucking gee I wonder which reindeer The Knight is

>>713947883
Ew

>>713947284
I don't think the scene was LITERALLY offscreen sex, but giving the impression of one to really drive home how fucked the situation is to the people who saw Toriel and Sans dancing and thought it was just supposed to be some lighthearted scene

>>713947485
You're acting like Kris and Susie walked in on Toriel literally riding Sans' dick and screaming how she wants to have Sans' babies to replace Kris. They were just dancing and having fun, calm the fuck down.

>>713947731
Every time I read "red herring" in these threads it's attached to the dumbest shit

>>713947761
>but fem Kris only
as long as Kris is blue I don't mind

>>713947882
>he thinks love stands for love

>>713945823
people are thinking "sans is such a bastard! my mom's a whore!" and not "sans is the only reason why toriel wasn't captured or killed by the knight in the church"

He's acting, I'm telling you

>>713947882
>LOVE finds its way to the girl
>the girl finds out the true meaning of LOVE
intentionally misleading piece of the prophecy

>>713947485
The molestation victims on reddit and tumblr think it's normal because it's how they were brought up. They live in squalor as they jab themselves with HRT.

>>713947793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXXKQ_nl30

>>713947915
Look I think it is Dess too. But my point is that we don't know WHY it is Dess. That's the problem even if the Knight had already taken off its helmet and it's Dess we still don't know why the fuck Dess is the Knight and assaulting her friend.

In fact, let's settle this shipping nonsense once and for all. Everyone, please answer honestly.

https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5524981xb0ed45DF-163

>>713947908
It's certainly FRIEND-flavored, but that's deliberate since it's a reference to the FRIEND-Mike theorizing.

>>713947821
Azzy…

>>713948038
Toriel deserved to get captured and sacrificed

>>713945979
You forgot that the sounds have been getting weaker since chapter 1

>>713946832
There are a few things that can make or break this game's story:
If he follows through with the [SOUL] being the enemy of the vessel (Kris)
If we see some kind of Kino crash-out with Susie when she learns of our betrayal with working with Carol and the Knight
If Susie x Noelle romance actually dies off (if he goes along with this retarded relationship then he's certified as a terrible writer for anything romance related)
If Noelle and the [SOUL] can preform a proper genocide route (it's bizarre that the light world Kris has a weapon and armor inventory that can't be used yet)

There's obviously a lot more but those are the biggest plots points right now.
Also who's the fucking retard that invented webp files? Fucking faggots I keep saving images that can't be uploaded holy fuck.

>>713947731
Shit link didn't work
https://youtu.be/ncGNdt92hIM?t=53

>>713947882
LOVE, huh?

>>713947882

>>713947752
That chair is gonna kick your ass.

>>713948076
>>713947915
>>713947731
The knight could be an Amalgamate that needs more monsters absorbed into it to stay alive. Currently has part of Dess's body and Papyrus parts, and Undyne will be added in chapter 5

>>713948038
Terrible plan, I dont care is bad things happen to them now

>>713947915
Rudy made [COMMUNION] and that's why he's sick in the light world.

>>713948130
that comes off as a bit foreboding

Toby loves his prepubescent lesbians.

Probably because Temmie looks like one.

>>713948038
there's no reason for sans to act like such a shithead to kris and susie
he's needlessly antagonistic towards some teenagers who haven't done anything to warrant that from him

>>713948036
>>713948039
>>713948130
Yeah yeah, Susie still interprets it as romantic

>>713948125
is that supposed to be his mouth? always looked like he had a big clown nose

>>713948208
Susie is cannonically stupid anon. Her dialog has diagetic grammar mistakes for gods sake.

>>713948193
DOHOHOHOHOHO

>>713948079
The ship discussion it just insufferable at this point. The susie/noelle dynamic is 100% legit poorly written on a objective level. Everything outside that is wish fulfillment.

>>713948105
No I didn't. Stupid.
Why would the tree man, ostensibly the Forgotten Man who tells us he can only speak in MANCOUNTRY and only appears in the seams of reality, be Sans' brother who lives in hometown and is, ostensibly, a normal ass lightner

>>713948113
>if he goes along with this retarded relationship then he's certified as a terrible writer for anything romance related
we get it you hate lesbians
not the best game to get invested into considering how toby loves his lesbians

With the new hindsight provided by Chapter 4, we now know the Chapter 2 Snowgrave scene where Ralsei says "we were supposed to-" means the prophecy said something about that particular moment where Ralsei wanted us to think about Susie and Noelle. Additionally, we now know it was likely Kris who refused to do so, as we see what happens when he DOESN'T stop us from thinking about Noelle in that route.

>>713948208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGuDpoJNImA
This is assuming you don't make your way to Noelle instead.

Toby outclassed every fan design and speculation on chapter 2 with the actual chapter 2, the same for 3, and even for 4 as it was the often talked about church chapter. It's obviously going to live up to the speculation, the speculation fucking sucks shit and is retarded

I want to make Kris have gay sex with my vessel

>>713948113
>who's the fucking retard that invented webp files
I seriously don't know what Google wants to do with the Internet. Facebook just wants to fill holes in peoples' lives with shit and Amazon just wants to flood the world with more shit - these are easy enough selfish concepts to understand. But Google actually is in the business of crafting the Internet towards its end state and as far as I can tell it just gets progressively worse for anybody who just wants to use the Internet but doesn't work in tech.

>>713947731
>>Has not appeared yet but his name when entered in the goner maker gets the same reaction that Asriel, Berdly, Asgore and other important characters get.
So does QC.

I need more waku waku

>>713948278
chudcels just hate suselle because they want to self insert

>>713947834
It's true. I may be far, far into the schizo lore rabbithole- but Krusie just warms my heart.

I still think people are blowing the whole sans and Toriel scene out of proportion.

>>713947284
Toby can get away with anything, it seems. Anyone else would get canceled. He's a certified auteur.

>>713948364
speculation is just a side product of our growing schizophrenia induced by having to wait for the next chapter

>>713948319
No one has seen him
Doesn’t sans even say he doesn’t have a brother after chapter 1

>>713947628
It's blown way the fuck out of proportions. People painting her as the WHORE OF BABYLON is so outlandish it just ends up coming back as le funny San's man fucking your mom, a joke that has existed since Undertale.

>>713948438
flowey wouldn't say that

>>713948468
No, he just says it'll take longer for us to meet him

>>713948364
People thought the entire game was going to take place in the playing card world when we only had chapter 1. People didn't even know there would be other dark worlds. All speculation was just "Kris will do genocide and kill everyone in the lightworld, just like undertale!"

Reminder that Noelle's descriptions for new items are written with assumption that Kris is present in the party with her.

>>713948414
Waku?

>>713948438
> a game series known for little details and stuff shows implications about certain characters through the little details of Kris and Susie

>>713948003
Then what do you think it is?
>>713948408
QC was important for Susie and Kris's backstory. Both went to her diner before the start of the game to enjoy quality time with people they care about.

>>713948447
He had to backpedal on doe rape. He's a pussy and knows what they lgbtqia+-XYZA+++++ themsexuals will do if he slips up.

Why was the janny seething last night anyway?

>>713948438
Imagine worrying about someone all night, just to find them drunk with a random schlub who works at the dollar store that they met a week ago. Add on that Kris is already an emo faggot

>>713948208
To be fair, nobody is aware of the LOVE anagram in this universe... except Ralsei, maybe? Though it could also easily just be the SOUL jumping into her.

Kralsei will be canon
My uncle works at Toby Fox

>>713947731
FUCK YEAH, I don't think Carol is even related to the Knight and that it's more so a Dess being Gaster vessel thing, but I will die on the hill that Papyrus will either be a Knight or we'll get a fake out where we'll fight the Knight again and it'll be Papyrus, either way I'm convinced Papyrus will be working for the Knight, there's so much more to Papyrus that we'll get eventually, it is people desperately not wanting him to be important to deltarune that is against him even having a role in the plot, those motherfuckers will be proven wrong one day

>>713948527

>>713947485
>Getting shitfaced drunk with some dude you barely know and inviting him into your home is not something a responsible parent does
Especially since it was Sans, a dude who has repeatedly shown Kris nothing but disrespect and mild but obvious contempt. Toriel couldn't have known, obviously, but she couldn't have picked a worse guy to invite into their home, one of the few places a kid is supposed to feel safe.

>>713948414

>>713948560
Kris literally is collaborating with the person who would have put her in danger so there is absolutely no room to talk. Made your bed, lie on it bitch

>>713948038
This. Guy was friends with Toriel in the first game and he's presented as knowing more than he lets on in this one.

>>713947721
Queen is criminally slept on.

>>713948278
>>713947665
Welp, so far the results seem to be even better than I predicted. It looks like "shipfags" simply don't exist at all.

>>713948592

>>713948125
Man
Flowey's sprites are still the best in either game

>>713947731
>his name when entered in the goner maker gets the same reaction that Asriel, Berdly, Asgore and other important characters get
And Catty and Bratty and fucking QC
>The knight never kills the party in their first encounter
The Knight attacks Ralsei and Susie more viciously than any other enemy in the game, they just hold back against Kris and Kris still gets knocked out
>The knight's head is a red hearing
Fuck off retard
>Papyrus's white snow effect that appears when approaching his fighting grounds is the same as the black effect when leaving the chapter 3 dark world.
That's just a fucking lie. Fuck off.

>>713947284
He forgot the DR versions have known each other for less than 48 hours compared to the UT versions.

>>713948198
This dude was going to kill you dead in Undertale on sight if Toriel didn't tell him not to.

>>713948623
Every scene with her was pure fucking Kino. In fact all the bosses except for maybe Lancer's dad was Kino.

>>713948438
Yeah, because Kris flailing about on his bed in obvious distress at the sound of his drunken mother brazenly flirting with the asshole from the grocery store is just him being an oversensitive faggot, right?

>>713948641
those were all me btw

>>713945653
>A friendly advice from someone who was heavily invested in Ralsei is Flowey theory
Y'know, if we've got characters like Sans coming over from Undertale it's actually surprisingly possible that Ralsei really is Flowey.

Papyrus is bed-ridden with boneitis and that's why we haven't seen him at all.

Reminder that Dess is left handed, just like the Nightmare Knight.

>>713948765
Kris flails around wildly at the slightest provocation, that's just how their limbs move

>>713948518
>when using this item on noelle she gains +155HP and Kris gains +5HP
TOBY YOU CAN'T KEEP EDGING ME WITH THIS KINO

I miss my NIGGA Frisk. He was my man, my buddy. He'd comply with orders, no questions asked.

>>713946670
>I believe that Dess is being puppeted by Gaster-

>>713948743
I feel lancer's dad will get another boss fight or at least I hope. We need a good rematch fight outside the knight.

I think it's important to note that Sans entrusted Kris with looking after his little brother, despite it taking way too long to meet him

>Toby gives up on the chess motif after Chapter 2
>Chapter 4 is set in a church
Why no bishop boss then?

>>713948339
Undyne and the yellow cringe was better than Susie x Noelle.

Whoever the knight is , its VERY connected to Kris's trauma and the therapy dialog

(Through many repetitions, their movements became faster and smoother...)
* (... until without looking, they had completed a sketch in a single, wild line.)
* (...)
* (In the end, as a result of layering the sketches on top of each other...)
* (... The surface of the canvas was nothing more than a monochrome smear.)
* (...)

DELTAURINE

>>713948339
Anon, sit down for a minute and consider this from a writing perspective.

Every interaction between Susie and Noelle has painted their relationship as being shallow, largely one-sided, and based on very unhealthy premises (oh hey this girl reminds me of my dead sister!) on that one side.

Their interactions largely consist of just soullessly ticking off sappy romance cliches with none of the personal connection that makes that shit work.

There is no meaningful connection between these two beyond 'Noelle is a masochist who gets wet at the thought of Susie bullying her'. They basically do not know each other, have nothing in common personality or interest-wise, and half the time Noelle's attempts at flirting go completely over Susie's head.

If Toby is running with this shit, he's stupid. Simple as.

Also since Kris is a girl Kris and Susie make a far better lesbian couple anyway.

>>713947527
>That's talapia you retard
Yes? Tilapia is a fish. What is Undyne?
>bringing Tenna there is not a guess
But having a literal picture of them standing there in front of the closet with Tenna is.

>>713948518
>Kris gets an indirect kiss from Susie
>Kris gets an indirect kiss from Noelle
Toby... we're waiting

>>713948769
It's extremely unlikely because they couldn't be any more different. Even Asriel was significantly different in personality.
Flowey wouldn't pretend to be Ralsei either. Not his style and a character's personality being a total con would be an absurd plot twist.

>>713948769
>it's actually surprisingly possible that Ralsei really is Flowey
No, it's impossible. My theory hinged on the fact that Dark Fountains transform objects into people, but as it turns out, they merely change the perception of Lightners.

>>713947793
this is too similar to friend I don't like it

>>713948704
KEK

>>713948725
yeah but in undertale monsters wanted the human soul to deal with the barrier
there is no such thing in deltarune, it just makes sans look like an asshole

>>713948907

>>713948339
>Unhealthy obsession
>Has shown little care for Susie as Susie, instead using her as a replacement for other people (Kris, Dess)
>Willing to cause physical harm to others who are romantically interested in Susie
Maybe anon hates lesbians, but writing this as a character and then saying it's a good pairing is genuinely bad writing if you want to write a good couple. It's more likely you either like Susie x Noelle for fetishistic reasons. Either the role dynamic, homophile tendency, or heterophobia.
Here's something that may help you figure out which it is. Would you like Kris x Susie more if it were revealed that Kris is a girl?

>>713946083
Eggman's associated with trauma by Kris because he's Kris's therapist. His presence in those trauma flashbacks is a soothing force, not an antagonist.

I like how FRIEND is just the new Gaster that people use to explain literally anything in the game

>>713948704
good one

The knight is friend. Like it's not even a debate the game has made it pretty obvious. You can debate who or what the fuck friend is, that's a genuine mystery, but if you say the knight is anyone but you are just objectively wrong.

>there are anons here who have baggage from missing teenage love

>>713948785
>Papyrus isn't a depressed NEET or a secret player in the story like everyone assumed
>he's just been sick and trudging around the house
>he's totally fine by chapter 6
I could see this happening

>>713948518
Man new game + really will be the post Susie sacrifice run huh?

>>713948918
I disagree. You seem to be taking their relationship in very bad faith. Noelle might be reminded of Dess by Susie in some level but she also likes her for who she is. She was exposed to the real Susie repeatedly by now, christ.

>>713948872
there was never a real chess theory, king, queens, and knights are all just common parts of a kingdom. he wasn't going to shoehorn in a bishop boss when he had major story points to get out instead

>>713946832
Its just going to be Evangelion but videogame edition

>>713948823
Look at the Knight hands anon, holes in the hand is only connected to Gaster here, he even cheers you on during this fight only, Dess is lost in the code so I doubt it's she'll be conscious doing all this, so who would it be but Gaster? Dess wouldn't be trying to cause the roaring for no reason.

>>713948339
>>713948424
Anon, you shouldn't throw phrases like "we" when your posts are so easy to recognize.

>>713949013
>>713949025
kek

>>713948706
>And Catty and Bratty and fucking QC
So?
>The Knight attacks Ralsei and Susie more viciously than any other enemy in the game, they just hold back against Kris and Kris still gets knocked out
Because Kris is working for the holiday family. Of course he's going to go easier on them.
>Braindead seethe with no counter argument
I accept your concession
>More braindead seethe
If you have the mental capacity to do so, compare these two
https://youtu.be/A1FxFpiq4ro?t=86
and
https://youtu.be/cU9Nv5aM5aY?t=1
The deltarune version is just a more refined version of the undertale one. The same diamond shaped pattern is kept.

>>713948946
UT Toriel used magic to cook, does she not still in deltarune?

stoolsei...

>>713948921
>having a literal picture of them standing there in front of the closet with Tenna
It's an edited mockup of Kris and Susie bringing the TV to the closet. Are you fucking retarded?
It doesn't even fucking happen until Chapter 4

>>713949059
This.

>>713948557
I bet he did it to purposely call more attention to it.

>>713948278
It's only badly written if accepted at face-value as ship fodder or some kind of clue of them developing a relationship, which it pretty blatantly isn't from Susie outright ignoring all of Noelle's date-bait (their longest conversation is about Kris and even drifts to them having flirting skill), Susie is a bonehead and Noelle is attracted to "the idea of" Susie at the same time as she's projecting Dess onto Susie

>>713949013
I fucking hate Gaster existing if only because it drives people so far up the schizowall they end up back in their seat somehow from doing a full rotation

>>713949081
She doesn't. Magic doesn't exist in Deltarune's light world, Noelle even says she wished she could learn healing magic in real life to heal her dad.

>>713949084

>>713948438
It's easy rage bait for (you)s

>>713948567
Fem Kris, right?

>>713949062
Gaster is exhilarated at you beating the Knight, incentivizes you to continue when you get close but fail and did not intend for you to get trapped inside Kris. The Kris/Knight group has obviously different interests then him and is related to whoever hijacked the intro and stole you from the Vessel.

>>713949027
I haven’t experienced love period and I turned out fine
I have a well paying job
I work out
I don’t stay up at night thinking about it
I made it anon
I made it despite everything

>>713949070
>the teased villain is the teased villain
Not really a stretch.

>>713944829 (OP)
>my d(eltar)une
omg frank herbert reference???

>>713949013
unlike gaster who pretty much only existed in FUN value stuff friend shows up directly and secretly many times. They have to fit into the story somewhere, we just don't know where.

>>713949091
>It doesn't even fucking happen until Chapter 4
Yes, and lots of things were cut or pushed away from chapter 3 for the sake of pacing. Even if this wasn't the case, someone who has inside knowledge can knowingly slip in cryptic information out of order to cover their tracks. It's not that hard to comprehend.

>>713949049
>She was exposed to the real Susie repeatedly by now, christ
She completely ignores every attempt by Susie to open up to her. She does not cares about real Susie.

>>713947690
And then she turned into a cute anthro on top of that.

>>713949059
who's going to cause third impact then? kris, susie, or noelle?
my money's on susie

>>713949073
>So?
Tell me straight right now that you think Bratty is an important character on the level of Asgore. Go ahead. Do it.

>>713949191
forgot to include in this post that I'm trans btw

>>713948918
>Kris is a girl
You are clearly not engaging with his writing in good faith if you don't accept that they're canonically non-binary. Even if Suselle turns out to be canon, it won't make Krusie illegal.

>papyrusknight fag is forced to confront the obvious antlers
>“it’s a red herring because… IT JUST IS OKAY”
every time. carol is the actual red herring btw

FRIEND is Gaster's niggerman

>Dark world Toriel is a Queen
>Ralsei is a Prince
Ralsei is a dark world version of Asriel's corpse....
I'm also starting to think Ralsei might be a Holiday/black deer pretending to be an Asriel clone on purpose

>always lends a hand in the most crucial moments.

Most loyal nigga in the entire series

>Roaring
>Titans
>prophecy
Isn't this the same plotline at Attack on Titan?

>>713949062
Those could also be eyes, you know.

>>713949234
Isn't it obvious? FRIEND is kris' friend

>>713949125
>Gaster drives people up the schizowall
Woah... just like the secret bosses...

>>713949249
what the fuck are you on? a ton of her dialogues with Kris are her asking what the real Susie is like. you need to actively ignore what is happening on the screen if you think, say, the ferris wheel scene was her shutting off Susie in any way.

>>713949307
>canonically non-binary.
Source?>>713949357

Susie watching Kris and Ralsei making out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMdIRDMryRo
thank god, modders finally made deltarune playable

>>713949152
I think magic has to exist as a force on some level for the dark world as a "shift in perception" to work, or for most monsters to work like the light world still having that fire elemental girl and monsters still dusting after death due to having very little physical matter making up their bodies, especially since the dark world still differentiates between humans and monsters vis-a-vis having any kind of magical abilities. There's also the worrying implication behind Noelle clearly being aware of the Snowgrave spell and what it is as a complete newcomer to the dark world, she's deliberately raising its TP cost to an uncastable high because she doesn't want to use it. Plus there's the black shards and shadow crystals which retains their properties between both worlds. I think it doesn't exist the way it did in Undertale as a readily accessible force, but it does exist.

>>713948567
It will.

t. toby fox

>>713949027
It wasn't worth it, trust me.

>>713949265
(You)
We'll reunite with our Vessel and turn everyone into Tang.

>>713949413
Things operating on different rules than our reality does not mean it is magic.

>>713949025
If Friend is the knight then who is the "strange someone" specified to be a different entity from the knight?

>>713948874
Noellebros....

>>713949405
yuri krusie with ralsei as the sperm donor

>>713949041
NG+ will be post-snowgrave
>in the normal route susie ends up resetting
>susie has done this before, she is the cause of [the angel's heaven], a story that never ends so that every day can be like yesterday. so nothing changes
>this is also the "warped" version of the prophecy, where the dragon is befriended instead of stopped forcing THE GIRL to be susie.
>in the weird route, noelle ends up resetting
>this will change how everything plays out on a fundamental level.
>we'll see the version of reality that the shadow crystals show

>>713949337
SOON.

>>713949380
Headcannon nonsense hopped up on Toby telling one of his friends to refer to Kris by vague pronouns once.

You know, desperation. Like this shit always is.

>>713948553
I think the antlers are the Holiday motif, and you'd need strong narrative threads that don't exist for Papyrus in Deltarune in order to write a mystery character with antlers as anyone but a Holiday and have the result be well-received by an audience

>>713949413
>especially since the dark world still differentiates between humans and monsters vis-a-vis having any kind of magical abilities
that's up to question, since Kris is not at all a normal human.

>>713949356
Wait what if it's time loop shit and FRIEND Is Susie from the bad route

>>713948874
Those are some beefy kneecaps...

>>713949346
Even when Rouxls and Lancer didn't make the cut for Chapter 4 he still showed up

>>713948921
>Yes? Tilapia is a fish. What is Undyne?
See from your previous post
>Red herrings playing into people's earlier theories about burning Undyne alive clearly there to throw off the scent
It's not a red herring. If it were a literal red herring then I may have agreed that it was intentionally put as a literary red herring, but it wasn't. The reason I'd say it isn't a literary red herring is because you don't put a red herring in an otherwise legitimate leak. You may put them in an intentional leak that's meant to be a red herring, but putting a red herring in a leak that's meant to not be a red herring would be pointless. At that point you could put out literally anything as a leak, and claim anything not accurate was just a red herring.

>>713949265
I figure Susie will fuck everything up on accident, like she was saying to Noelle about her getting the evil ending by accident. Snowgrave/Weird is us getting the evil end on purpose with Noelle. Both need to be done for us to actually be able to get the good/true ending. Like how you need to do a neutral/pacifist route to unlock true pacifist in undertale.

>>713945002
>gaster is split into fragments
>toby's self-inserts are split across multiple characters

>>713949337
>inb4 you can't get a good ending if you didn't meet him

Ralsei/Kris/Susie will inevitably happen IF you named your gang the fuck gang.

>>713949307
>canonically non-binary
Reminder that Toby refused to answer questions about Frisk's gender in an interview. Kris's gender isn't specified. Claiming Kris is non-binary is just as (un)substantiated as caliming Kris is male or female.

>>713949563
meant for >>713949337
I got confused with the spoilers lol

>>713949335
You now remember that in the Zelda murder minigame there's a mini black monster that imitates your movements
That monster in the codes hides a Black deer sprite behind a "Toriel" variable
Probably represents Dess/The Knight but its still unknown what's the Toriel connection
There's also a secret if you beat the Knight without the Mantle: the dialogue of the sleeping Toriel changes and she looks worried

>>713949482
*tips fedora*
>>713949538
Is it? ACT's description says it's not magic and shouldn't be mistaken for such, and Kris' internet search history shows an inability to use it. Humans having magical capability in Deltarune doesn't make sense leveled against every mechanic that tells you they don't.

>>713948985
I don't actually care for suselle myself. I prefer kralsei
>>713949380
>Source?
https://youtu.be/Ul0wlHgLahU
any claims that this character who is repeatedly emphasized is not the player only has they/them pronouns so they can 'be related to easier' or whatever will be disregarded as being dumb and/or silly.

>>713949360
>Susie says something about herself
>Noelle: "Fahaha your tail is funny"
It happens twice in the basement scene alone. Susie mentions how she had to steal videogames during her childhood, and Noelle just laughs it off.

>>713949491
Nah, fujoshi susie recording Ralsei's cute goat sounds as he gets the martian special from Kris' probing fingers

I wonder how many people angry at Sans are just projection anger from the guys their mom dated after their dad died/divorced

>>713949602
Gives me Slade vibes

>>713949346
So what you're saying is... Gaster hands could have eyes and not holes? because if you flip the gaster sprite upside down it could look like eyes.

>>713949630
Oh look, it's the game's true final boss and very obviously the strange someone who drove Jevil insane

>>713949380
>Source?
Play the game chuddie

My problem with dess knight theories is that they're all fucking stupid. Yeah the knight has features that reference december, so how does that work with the rest of the kit?

>december is a corrupted dark beast who has been lost in the code for a decade, stays in nightmare form in hometown and has to be tard wrangled by kris/carol/etc.

>dess has magical armor made of darkness that allows her to do crazy dark world shit in hometown

>december is a puppet being controlled by [[literally every character under the sun]] and she isn't really evil or something idk

It's all stupid fanfic shit trying to justify itself, and I respect toby too much to dump out a turd this stupid.

>>713949732
Could be. Him having holes in his hands is entirely a fanon interpretation

Why does Kris have a knife? Toriel thinks it's normal and can recognize "their knife." Did she give her kid a knife for some reason?

>>713949732
>>713949807
They always just looked like lego hands to me.

>>713949664
>Didn't answer the question
>Prefers Kralsei
Ah, so you are just a homophile. Just say that. It's simpler for everyone for you to just say that you prefer pairings you can jerk it to.

>>713949532
NTA but there's more evidence for Kris being non-binary than otherwise. Only non-binary people use gender-neutral pronouns. The fact that Kris' friends and family - who all know Kris and likely know his biological sex, too, unlike Frisk - exclusively use gender-neutral pronouns when referring to him means that's the way Kris intentionally presents himself. You don't have to like it (I sure don't) but believing that Toby is above pronoun faggotry is silly.

>>713949790
It feels like "rouxls is connected to gaster" all over again.

>>713949483
King specifies that the strange someone was the knight in chapter 4

>>713949664
I figure that was done to keep them ambiguous, or it's just some "rule of the world" that humans are all like that as a way to play into Undertale/Deltarune operating on game mechanics diegetically.

>>713949774
its 'they' because he's LITERALLY TWO PEOPLE

I like Suselle :)

>>713949573
i think susie will do in in true eoe fashion where she is too fucked up to think clearly and causes whatever it is without understanding the choice presented to her
my money's on a time loop, but who knows what toby's planning

>>713949821
>Toriel thinks it's normal and can recognize "their knife."
When is this part?

>>713949821
It's a Hometown tradition. On their tenth birthday each kid receives a deadly weapon of their own. Susie doesn't know about it because she's not from there.

>>713949761
Need a reverse version of grandma got ran over by a reindeer

>>713949854
Does he? i don't remember that. Then why does Seam refer to the strange someone as different from the knight?

>>713949790
I feel the same way. I don't think it'd be the worst thing, but it would be very weak. Even if it is Dess, there's gotta be some extra layer to it we haven't seen yet. I don't things are as simple as dessknight fags like to make it.

>>713949759
I'm starting to doubt that a bit, actually.
>we now know Jevil was the one who told King about the Knight
>Spamton also seemed to know something about the Knight
>we now know the Shadow Crystals are at least tangentially connected to the Knight
>the "garbage noise" mentioned by the addisons is also present in the shelter, which we now know the knight uses as a base of sorts

>>713948940
Well, thanks to the Japanese translation of the phone call we know that Kris can't enter the Dark World without a Soul. What if a soulless being like Flowey or Kris entering the Dark World turns them into a Darkner because they're technically an object?

>>713948929
Ah, but there's the thing - Ralsei's big plotline is coping with the fact that he's developing emotions and desires. If it is Flowey, and becoming a Darkner lets him feel empathy again? Then that struggle is all genuine. Asriel really is getting worked up over being able to care about other people again. He thought he could just stroll in here and act like a person, but as time went on...

>>713949646
What if ralsei is december

>>713949903
Opening of Chapter 2

>>713949884
get in the chair =)

>>713949884
We know, Toby
Now make my schizo theories real or I rape Ralsei

>>713949494
The prophecy talks about the worlds being “Saved” this could mean the literal process of saving
Meaning that it could require a great sacrifice to “reset” the world to continue the process of saving since there are limited save points for experiencing the world.


This could be due to the concept of Souls having specific abilities but not outright known

Each save slot is a different “world/universe” are actions don’t matter since the save points are set
Only by playing the whole game with
Out saving is the true end possible
Mark
My
Schizo
Words

>>713949821
it was probably a gift from dess, likely given to him in front of others so toriel can't just take it away from her
given that kris seems to primarily use it for pie, toriel probably learned to just accept it

>>713949826
>non-binary × male = homophile
someone's projecting their krusie preference

>>713949903
chapter 2, when kris eats all the pie Toriel recognizes the knife on the plate as that knife they carry around and calls it "their knife"

>>713949774
Non binarism irl makes zero sense
Do they genuinely think that by just calling themself nonbinary they will become seen as not having a gender

The only reason teens do non binarism shit is to have a sexual identity without having to commit sexually, which to be fair if the alternative is being a troon it's a fair compromise

>>713949025
The Knight is a shadow puppet.

>>713949952
>The prophecy talks about the worlds being “Saved” this could mean the literal process of saving
God fucking dammit.

I don't think these threads are better than /vg/.

>>713949952
>Only by playing the whole game with out saving is the true end possible
Considering the fact Toby has gone out of his way to make his game easier just so that more people could play it, that's doubtful.

>>713949569
>Taking the red herring talk literally
That's a bit autistic anon, but beyond that I think you're being unreasonable about the idea of putting false information in your leak, especially when the game itself is taking so long to come out. If all the information turned out to be true, then people would be taking the leak as gospel. Having deliberately wrong information based on people's assumptions keeps the leak be kept in reasonable doubt while keeping people on the right track with what they theorise.
>you could put out literally anything as a leak, and claim anything not accurate was just a red herring
this is the preferable to having accidentally predicted 100% of the game through vague imagery

>>713949790
Dess Knight theory:
>I looked at The Knight
>The Knight has features and traits that identify them as Dess and are otherwise inexplicable
Dess Knight deniers:
>that's a red herring
>why? it just is, okay!?
Any alternative theory of The Knight needs to explain why The Knight has antlers and a baseball bat. This immediately eliminates 99% of other suspects.

>>713949952
>IN ORDER TO SAVE THE WORLDS
>THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY
>DONT SAVE AT ALL LMAO

>>713949992
it's mostly just women looking for attention and wanting to feel special.

>>713950045
spoken like someone who's never seen /vg/

>>713949821
You know the popular kids in middle school who loved showing off their butterfly knives?

>>713950057
At this point i just stop reading posts when they unironically use the term "red herring"

>>713950045
It's just someone baiting with pronouns and people biting.

>>713949615
If we actually get a proper confrontation between Asgore and Sans and Asgore fucking jobs for whatever reason I am writing off Deltarune and Toby altogether. That stupid little meme skeleton should not ever be able to win against Asgore at full strength.

The smile that saved millions

>>713949659
Actually... why was Kris looking up how to use magic if DR monsters are also unable to do magical shit in the light world?

>>713949790
To be fair, any other knight theory is even more convoluted with what little we know, at least we have some solid symbolism connecting the knight to dess, or at least a member of the holiday family

>>713950046
Yeah it sounds cool until you think of how you'd have to play the whole game in one sitting and if anything forces you to turn off the computer midchapter that's a whole chapter to redo lol. it'd just be a huge fucking chore

>>713950045
you clearly havent been to the /vg/ threads then.
i went over there a little bit ago just to see how bad it is right now and they have people posting fat tenna

>>713950060
I think it’s more about “you have to delete a save or something, but… you can’t delete what was never saved

>>713950134

>>713950116
>People are powerscaling fucking Deltarune
Grim

>>713950057
i think there's some splitting doing on with dess knight, since who ever is in the code also seems to be dess
maybe there's a body/ soul disconnect?

>>713950045
>Gender
>Suselle
>Sweet Cap'n Cakes (for some reason)
>More gender
>More Suselle
>More Sweet Brap'n Cakes
MAKE IT STOP

>>713950045
discussion is slowly drying up and people are just resorting to shipping flame wars

>>713950134
Cute Susan

Where does everyone get the Dess hit by a car thing. I genuinely think I missed it

>>713950190
you can always go to the /vg/ thread.
then come crawling back here crying about how horrible it is.

The whole kris they/them thing was just toby doing a natural extension of Frisk being gender ambiguous for insertion reasons but he ended up dropping that and making kris much more of a character post chapter 1 but he already committed to the they/them bit
Kris is 100% suppose to be male and not a female btw pretty sure even toby see's kris as male

>>713950116
There is not going to be confrontation between Sans and Asgore. It'd just make Asgore look like an idiot in front of the whole town and make Toriel hate him harder. He's not completely fucking retarded.

>>713949646
>There's also a secret if you beat the Knight without the Mantle: the dialogue of the sleeping Toriel changes and she looks worried
That always happens when you beat the Knight instead of jobbing to it like intended.

>The King, Queen, Knight, Prince, Heroes, etc from the prophecy aren't the Darkners we know (Objects turned into beings)
>They are actually the Monsters from the surface Dark world forms (King = Asgore, Queen = Toriel, etc)
>The prophecy isn't for US, it talks about something else that might have already happened

Deltatroon

>>713950157
Ten bucks says there will be some acknowledgement for it, but more along the lines of the Annoying Dog showing up at the end and saying "You beat the whole game in one sitting! Wow! Don't you have anything better to do?"

>>713950241
Nowhere, it's just a meme because Asgore says he has a Black Shard implying he beat the Knight at some point.

>>713950241
Nowhere, someone did a funny meme edit of a movie scene and everyone else just rolled with it.

>>713950241
its just a meme

>>713949842
Yeah I just don't buy it. The angle seems much more likely to be a deliberate 'interpret Kris however you want to :)' thing than anything.

I don't actually find fault with people interpreting Kris as non-binary trans whatever the fuck if that's what makes them happy, but the bullshit of trying to force that as the only acceptable interpretation is insufferable to me.

It's part of why I don't interact with this game's fanbase off this site.

>>713950098
Well how do you explain the antlers and baseball bat

>>713950290
It doesn't even imply that, he could have gotten it from Carol's house or found it.

>>713950253
toby slipped once and called FRISK a he.
that says just about everything you need to know.

>>713950253
Toby sees all of them as males. Even Chara, the most "girly" one, was called "murder boy" internally.

>>713950057
The most important part is - why it should be a red herring? Why the identity of the Knight should be such a big secret that it can only be revealed at eleventh hour? Even if we know it's Dess, it raises more questions than it gives answers.

>>713950253
>someone gave Elon money to get to do this
Can someone nuke the west please?

>>713950003
show me a shadow puppet that actually looks like the knight

The deltarune keeps happening because (you) can't triforce

>>713949950
Okay, okay. Fine. But let's get some things straight first- his name is not "Friend". It's Niggerman.

>>713950302
>The angle seems much more likely to be a deliberate 'interpret Kris however you want to :)' thing than anything.
but the whole concept of Kris is that you cannot do that because they are an independent character with a preexisting history.

>>713949573
>>713949886
>normal and snowgrave endings are like the last 2 episodes of Evangelion where the characters open up and cope with the past and present
>true end breaks through the emotion and shows reality like End of Evangelion

>>713950190
Sweet Cap'n Cakes? Beloved.

>>713949284
Of course that's not the case you fucking dumbass. I brought that up because it referenced the fact that Papyrus is going to be relevant in the future. It's also telling how you only responded to that greentext and not the others. Almost as if you have nothing of value to say. Fuck off little nigga.
>>713949534
All Dess has in terms of narrative threads are a few people vaguely talking about her and her room. Sure we know she went missing and that she was important to a lot of people but how would that tie into her identity of being a violent knight? Both narratively and thematically it wouldn't make sense for her to give up years of her life to serve on purpose on one week. It's far more likely that she's lost in a dark world that Carol and the rest of her family are trying to save her from. It would tie into the whole "Find her" thing well. Carol being the knight makes more sense because then she would have more of a motivation to capture officer Undyne and sacrifice her to save Dess. The Police are just eyecandy in hometown after all. But still, the ramifications that would happen if she were to get caught would doom her and her family so it's best to have a gullible fall guy do the dirty work for you.

>>713950229
Who's Susan?

>>713950045
/v/
>Avatarfags (and people complaining about Avatarfags)
>People complaining about avatarfags
>Retarded schizo theories
>Worn out memes
>Threads going at a reasonably fast speed
/vg/
>online group drawing sessions
>blogposting
>hornyposting
>ventposting
>abhorrent avatarfagging with no backlash
>porn spam
>Threads being spammed so fast that 3 threads can be up at a time, two already at the bump limit
The only mild upside /vg/ has is producing a small amount of original content via the group drawings

>Post yfw we exit Kris and possess somebody else and suddenly Kris is referred to as a He/Him and our new Vessel is suddenly referred to as a They/Them.

>>713950057
That's fine, I respect it. Now explain the rest of the character in a way that isn't deeply retarded.

>>713950302
If the case is that Kris can be interpreted however you like, then how do you explain the fact that other people refer to Kris using neutral pronouns? Also, how would you reconcile this view with the game constantly showing us that Kris is not and doesn't want to be us?

>>713949761
is this a redraw of something or is it original?

>>713950057
One of the biggest things that trips up theorycrafters is "what does this idea actually do for the longer running plot?"
Example of Papyrus as the Knight, simply on points of interest, points against him being the Knight, and how it would fit into the longer running plot or what it would do for the game's themes, up to and including returning Undertale characters using abilities mostly like their Undertale selves in the dark world:
>When did he become the Knight?
>How is Kris familiar with him already? There is a large amount of both explicit and implied familiarity between Kris and the Knight
>Why is Papyrus's choice of armor sporting deer antlers?
>Why does Papyrus share many gestures and mannerisms with Kris?
>Why does Papyrus as the Knight have so many points in common with Amalgamate monsters and the Gaster-esque stigmata?
>Why is Papyrus using a sword and dark/star magic in lieu of bones?
>Why is Papyrus hiding his identity when the Shit Squad doesn't know him anyways as a newcomer to town?
>How does Papyrus tie into the mystery regarding Dess's disappearance, the bunker where Something Very Awful Happened, and Dess's closeness to both the Dreemurr and Holiday families?
tl;dr begging the question of "what does Papyrus as the Knight add to the story?"

>>713950182
I still reckon it's end of Snowgrave Noelle in the code, and she's the one who attacked Spamton Neo at the end of Ch 2 Weird. We saw earlier that Spamton was connected to UNUSED in some way, since you could hear their words through him in some shop dialogue (the line that's followed with "BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE TALKING TO YOU"), so if Noelle is UNUSED then they heard your call through Spamton and attacked him through the phone, as foreshadowed by that one attack he has where he gets blasted by his own phone. It also lines up with the "Thank you" line in Chapter 4, which are the last words said by UNUSED in their chapter 4 dialogue.

If anyone's going to end up trapped inside the game's code, it's going to be Noelle.

>>713950360
maybe but it was definitely much easier to headcanon them as female
kris being female is mostly just a fun r63 thing and not something that I think most people headcanon

>>713950443
we all know that toby wants to, but we also know that he knows his fandom would kill him for taking away their le heckin representation.

>>713950430
I disagree with Carolknight because the timeframe doesn't really make sense, unless Carol jumped through the window and ran at mach 3 through her house's fence and into the church, created two separate Fountains while locking the door and then waited on the first sanctuary solely to style on her daughter's crush epic style.

>>713950345
As confirmation that it is Dess. Not a red herring

>>713950443
You know, I had this at the back of my mind that maybe Kris uses they/them only because the soul wills it. It would make sense since the soul is (You), and your pronouns are unknown. However, Toby is too much of a fag to do this.

Toby doesn't make subversion for the sake of subversion or being a troll
Sometimes things are really simple
Undertale was pretty straightfoward shonen power of friendship in the end
He doesn't like making things too obvious, but he also isn't on Nomura or Yoko taro levels of writing trolling

Dess knight is very boring because we hardly know her
would most players feel much from seeing a nobody we know little about?

>>713950524
>Snowgrave Noelle is a surprise tool to help us later on True Route that's technically optional like Shadow Mantle.

>>713950425
I don't think there will be a true ending but idk
Normal Ending Results in Everyone happy
Snowgrave breaks that and shows it's all fake or something and leaves on a more sour note but with more hope
Normal ending never hints at it being anything else but the good ending but doing snowgrave reveals normal ending is the bad ending

>>713950142
FRIEND knight isn't convoluted at all, the game even supports it, people just don't favor it because we don't know anything about the character beyond it being "evil", and a cat, and friends with kris. People would much rather look for known characters, esp. Spicy ones like december.

>>713949790
I agree that Dess Knight needs to be elaborated on but so would literally any other case for a character "being" the Knight. And the Knight, as the majority have agreed, has antlers and uses a baseball bat. And Ralsei has red horns. And Rouxls is obviously unlike other darkners and looks like the mystery man. Et cetera. People invest in these theories because they're obviously where the plot is going

>Kris gets confirmed as a girl trying to act more masculine to be more like Azzy
>Suddenly Kris gets a wave of tomboyfags
Trust in the plan

>>713950394
Quick Google search got me this.

>bring me (You)

>>713950470
It's an edit of a panel from the manga JJK.

FRIEND is a red herring hiding the third true villain of the story

>>713950253
>>713949842
>>713950302
Yet the easiest solution is just taking "canon" like this, stuff thats inconsequential at best and just throwing it out the window. Oh Kris is nonbinary? Great, good for you, I'm still calling him a guy. To me, he fucks Susie, Noelle, ralsei, and toriel and none of you can fucking stop me

>>713950601
We knew nothing about Asriel until the final area in Undertale.

>>713950587
But Kris isn't the one using the pronouns. At no point does the SOUL go "use these pronouns" to anyone. People are just referring to Kris for what they're used to.
Unless you're suggesting the SOUL has a pronoun mind control aura, but that is retarded.

>>713950643
they would call her trans
tomboys don't exist

>>713950596
>nomura
I feel like the Darkness within Darkness line would work infinitely better in Deltarune than Kingdom Hearts.

>>713949842
Anon you have your facts straight but you're an idiot. Or you're trolling. Whatever

>>713950174
She looks like 50 years older here

>>713950604
>Once you beat Snowgrave you get UNUSED Noelle's phone number and can call her in the Dark World to get advice on how to glitch out of bounds to break the prophecy

>>713950569
There's already is going to be a shitshow when Dess is revealed as Knight and everyone will start referring to her as "she". There's too many trannies who latched onto her preemptively during chapter 2 because of Dess/December deadname nonsense.

>>713950469
Anon, we've done this entire thing with the protagonist of Toby's last game before.

Singular They has been used for referring to people of indeterminate sex for far longer than it has been used for referring to any of this nonsense.

>>713950417
based, i've been thinking the same thing. it fits too perfectly

>>713950694
Absolutely, I agree. I'll always refer to him as a male regardless of what canon says.

>>713950694
I just call Kris male because i want to and i don't care about what twitterinas think

>>713950708
All the game mechanics aren't game abstractions, they're how the physical reality they're in actually functions. So it tracks that the SOUL, as the Player Character would subtly twist things like that. Toby's going a lot deeper into the meta aspects of things with this one.

>>713950642
The knight's weapon is made of opaque black glass, it's not a baseball bat. It looking like a baseball bat is either genuine or unintentional misdirection. The knight is fucky well beyond other characters

>>713950601
Frankly, we know more about Dess than we do about her mom.

>>713950753
But Kris' sex is not indeterminate. Unless you are suggesting their MOTHER doesn't fucking know it.

>>713950708
>At no point does the SOUL go "use these pronouns" to anyone.
We're not sure what the soul told Kris before we took control of the soul. it and Kris have some preexisting history we aren't privy to, considering Kris keeps it in a cage in his room.

I don't care what gender Kris is
My tongue + Kris' ass is inevitable

>>713950838
adoptive neglectful mother

>>713950717
Then what's Susie?

>>713950750
i really, really, REALLY hate the whole "dess is a tranny because she has a nickname!" thing because it means that you cant use nicknames for fanprojects without undesirables latching onto your characters and perverting them.

>>713950524
>the terrifying idea of trapping her in the code
>keeping her away from susie
>removing the veil and helping her cope with Kris about her sister
>banishing her heaven
Jesus Christ making the doe smile is going to be tumultuous

>>713950876
There is literally no way for a mother to not know their child's sex. Do you think she's never bathed Kris ever?

>>713950643
As a man who is a tomboyfag, I don't know if I'd be able to handle the sheer whiplash of such a revelation.

>>713950838
His preferred pronouns are they/them bigot, doesn't mean he's a non-binary

>>713950838
adoptive mother who holds their hand on the way to school and otherwise is very agreeable to their interests, up to and including catering to their wild slew of identity problems and self-image problems (nor does toriel have any reason to talk about kris's cock or bergina for that matter)

>>713950883
Clearly trans

>>713950838
If we are going to talk purely in-universe, then yes obviously people would know. However, just like in-universe these characters are not actually 32-bit pixel art that speak through text boxes, in universe the ambiguity around Kris would not be a thing.

Its' like how games with character creators that aren't used for a meme will use vague pronouns for the main character so they don't have to re-record lines.

>>713950887
She never smiled.

>>713950806
But anon, the vast majority of people see the bat

>>713950936
>Do you think she's never bathed Kris ever?
It genuinely depends on when Kris was adopted.

>>713950417
it could be MYK

(CYMK colors without Cyan)

>>713950596
This is true but deltsrune has proven thst people take shit in wildly wrong directions. The average person has no fucking idea what toby is doing. They get caught up in shit likr mike rook and woody theory. Most people didn't even figure out that friend was an important character, let alone that it was a cat. A lot of people STILL don't realize how important friend is.

>>713950750
I love this version just because it keeps the bulge but remove the troon flag which for some reason I find to be funny

>>713950601
>we hardly know her
Chapters 1 and 2 foreshadowed her properly and established her importance to Noelle, and chapters 3 and 4 fleshed her out pretty well. We now know that she is
>tomboy
>punk
>rocked out
>had many hobbies like hiking and sports
>wrote a cool song
>kissed Asriel
>Noelle and Kris loved her
>gave Kris and Asriel their scaly fetish

>>713949842
No people refer to others as they in real life, no matter how much your mentally ill kind wants to force this.

>>713950618
I really like the idea of the light world being layered in cope similarly to the dark world
Snowgrave is going to shatter the illusion or shed light on things that you won't learn otherwise

That or Toby is just making Genocide 2.0 to spit on players, might be lame

>>713950990
>Its' like how games with character creators that aren't used for a meme will use vague pronouns for the main character so they don't have to re-record lines.
This is the one thing where i think using AI would be a universally good thing. Just don't pussy out and let the characters say "Niggerslayer3000" if i name my character that

>>713950876
What about Asgore then? We know he cares about Kris, thus it would be weird if he didn't know something like that about his kid.

>>713948353
the second half of this song is kino, can't wait for the full version

>>713950936
What if Monsters have cloacas?

>>713951038
There was no bulge. Someone in these threads edited out flag but added boobs and bulge for maximum flex.

>>713950182
There's no reason to assume that the UNUSED text is something happening concurrently with the game.
We could just be getting bits of Dess's memories from when she was lost in the dark. Undertale does something similar with Frisk seeing Chara's memories at different points in the story.

>>713950369
I think it's easy for people like us who have been intensely scrutinizing the game for the better part of the last decade to forget that the average player's experience is nothing like ours and they aren't hyper-vigilant about every clue Toby is putting on the table for us.
If you were already very familiar with what we knew about Dess from every drop of information you could squeeze out of the first two Chapters and the Spamton Sweepstakes, then you probably immediately jumped to the conclusion that The Knight was Dess as soon as you saw that they had antlers and DEFINITELY called it when she pulls out a baseball bat.
But the average player is not going to immediately recognize that and probably doesn't know they have all the pieces they need to put that together. The average player is being led to believe that Carol is The Knight, with Chapter 4 presenting her as an obvious villain collaborating with Kris and even throwing stuff out there like her having a giant fucking katana. But whether you know Dess is the Knight or not doesn't really matter, because the actual tension and payoff is what's going to happen when The Knight's identity is revealed to the characters in the story. For now, we just have the pleasure of appreciating the subtle hints that other people will have to go back and appreciate in hindsight.

>>713951068
virtually all hope is eradicated for it to not be lame but there's still a bit left just because sometimes I've got to feel disappointment to live

>>713951082
i do like the idea of effectively burning a mile of forest in energy costs every time a character is made to say "cockscockscockscocks"

>>713951020
We don't KNOW how important FRIEND is. If FRIEND (or gaster, while we're at it) is important he'll be introduced as a character in the story and do things where we can see them, instead of smiling ominously on corners or doing creepy shit in promotional material and ARGs.

>>713950469
Kris can still be their own character and be of ambiguous gender, with the intention of you interpreting it how you want. Kris want's to be free of the player and the two are definitely two separate entities. But Kris' gender is still made ambiguous for the player to interpret for their playing experience and as to not break the initial allusion that we are the same person

>>713950643
>Kris gets a voice acted scene
>Kris is voiced by an actress

>>713951082
If the Fortnite Darth Vader AI thing (and all the other 'chatbot exposed to the internet' experiments before it) was any indication, this would be used for some PREMIUM shitposting if and when someone does it.

>>713951006
So do I, I'm just not falling for a shapeshifter's bullshit.

>>713949413
>Noelle clearly being aware of the Snowgrave spell and what it is as a complete newcomer to the dark world
it's probably just some shit from dragon blazers, i'm pretty sure iceshock is too.

>>713950883
the only reasons why Susie isn't headcanoned as trans by them more often is because they latched onto Noelle first and because it would be "playing into harmful stereotypes" to imply a masculine, scary and violent girl is trans.

>>713950054
Anon, the main point of leaking something is to let people know what's coming. Taking the leak as gospel is already countered by both the natural skepticism you should have about any supposed leak and the vague nature of the pictures, which even if 100% accurate, could only be used for theory crafting due to the vague nature of the images.
If the point of the leak is for theorizing however, then having red herrings is also against that goal because it sullies the rest of the info. After all, anything could just as well be a red herring, so basing any theory on the image is just as likely to be false as any other theory.

how bad will the speculation get if we get ch5 and FRIEND still doesn't show up outside of the usual hidden sprite shit

>>713950430
>All Dess has in terms of narrative threads
I'm gonna stop you there. Yes, I read the rest of your post, and that was where you needed to stop at.
Dess doesn't *need* narrative threads the way Papyrus would here, she has the fucking antlers. We're searching around in the dark here, we have no truly solid reason to believe anything about the Knight's backstory or character or abilities but we can see the antlers. That's all we really, truly see. So when you include in your post that they're a red herring my autism is naturally going to flare and I'm going to make this post
That's all I don't actually want to discourage you from theorizing

>>713950465
Dess got lost in the dark, came into contact with the evil black glass and maybe the Wingy Dingy Man and whatever happened turned her into The Knight. The primary motivation of Carol's conspiracy is probably to turn her daughter back to normal.
I don't have to provide a complete explanation of a story that's only halfway finished, I just have to make the best case that fits with the evidence that we have.

>>713951001

>>713950941
That's why Toby will do it. Millions of people will get to experience the tomboy doujin trope of "this guy I thought I knew was a GIRL this whole time!?" firsthand for the very first time.

>>713950883
susie's kind of a spaz moreso than having any overtly guy-ish or "gender defying" interests

niggas be talking about tomboys and subversion of gender roles and then their idea of gender roles is based entirely on americana from the 50s, almost all of which was government propaganda in one way or another

>>713951252
I bet FRIEND will remain a schizo secret just like the whole Gaster thing for UT
He will keep infecting other games in the future but his true nature will remain a mistery

>>713951242
gayshit and trannyshit is so fucking annoying
I love that these people think they're identities are anything other than a glorified fetish

>>713950360
>>713950531
I'll never get why Chara is seen as a girl more often than not, they always gave me boyish prince vibes, motherfucker look near identical to how I was as a kid and I'm pretty sure I'm not a girl, I've met plenty of girls called Cara but Chara? every single person I've ever met called Chara have been men or men using it as a coverup name, my best guess is due to the amount of porn there is of them but still, the name alone makes me think of "this is a gay man coverup name" more than anything else

>>713951114
>then you probably immediately jumped to the conclusion that The Knight was Dess as soon as you saw that they had antlers and DEFINITELY called it when she pulls out a baseball bat
I don't even remember if I paid attention to baseball bat back then, for me it was "Antlers? That's Dess".

>>713951252
adapt all speculation for Chapter 5 into Chapter 6 and 7 and triple the amount of theories for the evil pussy

>>713951357
>>713951242
>getting mad at your own imagination

>>713951305
NTA but I feel the need to point out that we know that it's a helmet, since we literally see the Knight taking it off (though Kris doesn't let us see what's underneath). It honestly could be a red herring - even though I personally think it isn't a herring and it's Dess.

>>713951360
chara is a feminine sounding name

W.D. Gaper

>>713948518
I wonder if we'll get a chapter without Ralsei with Noelle replacing him.

>>713951367
You're not the only one, even japanese players picked up on it. I don't know japanese but I absolutely heard one player, when first seeing the Knight say "onee-chan" which means they thought the knight as a sister character at the very least.

>>713951393
It's /v/, they cannot live without getting mad at the trannies that live in their head

FRIEND builds character

>>713951252
I'm calling it. Friend will remain a background easter egg just like Everyman

>>713951203
Canon shota Kris real.

>>713951157
Toby has given us enough to know that friend is absurdly important, its behaviour and actions mirror undertale's FINAL BOSS; friend is so important toby literally referenced it in undertale with the "i, your humble servant shit" hidden in the code. Toby is subtle but deliberate if you've played UT you should know this. He wouldn't creste something like friend if it didn't have a monumental payoff

>>713951360
And don't forget he's literally called "Murderboy" in the game files

>>713951242
Back when Gigi's concept arts were revealed and people complained about square Susie, some woketard had a melty here and began insisting that Susie will be revealed as trans in new chapters and we chuds will commit suicide as a result. It was pretty funny, to be honestly.

>>713951408
Yep it could be but it's sure as hell not going to be Papyrus under there

>>713951393
no anon, I've literally seen people say those things verbatim on twitter while I'm hunting for fanart.

>>713949975
>non-binary × male = homophile
Yes. Regardless of how Kris identifies, it has a sex, that sex is the basis of hetero/homosexual classification. Due to your inability to specify your assumption on Kris's genitalia, the default must be assumed, which is a penis.

>>713951521
sounds like bait

I'm inoculated against schizophrenic FRIEND theories because this is just schizophrenic Undertale Gaster theories again and these weren't very convincing either.
I don't care about any character until they actually impact the plot inside the game. I will not read ARG shit, nor will I datamine anything.

>>713951068
Genocide is revealing the nightmarish "real" world layer above hometown, but isn't going to offer any solutions or give you a chance to fix it. Actually fixing the problem needs to be done through another route.

Who is going to have megalovania in this game?

>>713951520
prove that isn't Frisk that's the murderboy

>>713951519
>He wouldn't creste something like friend if it didn't have a monumental payoff
lol

>>713951360
It's because of the weird romantic undertones present every time Asriel talks about Chara.

>>713951635
my mom!

>>713951252
I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think FRIEND is going to play its hand until the endgame. The imagery of the SOUL being stuck in a birdcage while we're stuck on the main plot, and FRIEND being a cat trying to trick us into escaping that plot and thus leaving the birdcage, feels too on the nose to be anything but ominous. It's trying to lure us into the darkness by having us break the plot.

>>713951043
we were also given bait for human dess.
>pile of regular ass shoes, when the rest of the family wears hoof shoes.
>ice skates with a regular shape
>roller blades outside of the closet.
>the only pair of hoof fitted shoes she has is in the box in the corner
dess might've been a human and those hoof fitted shoes were part of her "antler headband" moment.
also as a result of typing this up i am now annoyed by the fact that they arent called "ice blades" and "roller skates"

>>713951635

>>713951654
Negatives can't be proven. You have to prove it is Frisk

>>713951408
The "helmet" is clearly fused and melded to their skull given how it changes shape along with their entire body and can completely split open to reveal what is obviously a deer's skull when they "roar"
The evidence that it's a "helmet" also comes from a sequence where we try to imagine what The Knight is doing and then Kris makes us think about Jockington instead, describing him in a nest with his "eggs" which are soccer balls. Does Jockington lay soccer ball eggs? Is The Knight really wearing a helmet?
Seems to me like the simplest explanation is that they're just a fucking deer

>>713951635
Where the fuck is that dog and his car when you need him

>>713951686
Those are clearly Asriel's shoes that she kept to sniff while she masturbates.
"B-b-b-b-but none of the other goats wear shoes!!!"
She gave them to Asriel specifically for this reason

>>713951685
I think you're schizophrenic. It's a glitch cat in a video game.

>>713951635
Kris.

>>713951114
Dess knight is the definition of surface level, actual schizoautists squeezing every drop out of the game and sweepstakes material knows that the knight is connected to spamton.

The knight is:
>a nobody who used to be a somebody
>got manipulated/fucked over by december (puppet typing)
>is a cat (cat typing)
>pink and gold motif
>is connected to the ghosts and may even be a ghost
>has issues with anger and friendship

>>713951635
Susie, during the pen-ultimate boss of the Weird route where she turns on you after discovering what is going on with Noelle.
And I do mean (You), Kris will team up with her and let you take the fall

>>713951654
>>713951736
>Frisk and Chara are Schrodinger's Murderboy

>>713951817
explain the ice skates and roller blades.

>>713951873
kek

>>713945823
>haha fuck you kris your mom got fucked by steven after not surviving lmao that's what you get for beating me with a hockey stick

>>713951659
Gaster had a pretty big payoff - Deltarune itself.

The Knight is the Vessel (You) made at the start
And it's using Dess powers/soul

>>713951897
I do not care to explain those. As they don't seem to have anything to do with sniffing feet

>>713951685
Ooh, hadn't thought of it that way

>>713951864
Might as well mention that one frame where the Knight and Spamton share the same hairstyle.

>>713951864
>the knight is connected to spamton.
Even in your stupid bullshit framework it's still fucking Dess

if the knight isn't dess then why do they and kris keep making the same flamboyant poses

>>713951935
Gaster was actually in the game and referred to as a character in the FUN events. There was much, much more buildup then FRIEND; who for all intents and purposes ingame, is just a motif and a creepy sprite that keeps showing up. When we *actually get buildup* for FRIEND we'll talk.

Besides the retarded pronouns debate, my personal theory kinda leans a bit too much towards the "escapism bad" direction but I'm thinking Kris isn't evil, just very reckless and immature, the plan lancer and Susie brought up back in chapter 1 where they wanted the fountains to grow and merge the worlds was what he latched onto despite ralsei shooting it down immediately, (which leads into the idea that Kris thinks he could merge the worlds and still stop the roaring, which might go into overdrive now that Kris has taken down a titan) and I think that's why him and dess and carol are working together, simply put, I think Kris and dess both just miss asriel and how they all used to be together. Kris probably thinks him and asriel are never gonna have the same kind of brotherly relationship now that he went to college and thinks making their town and world into one big adventure could bring them back together like how he's getting along with ralsei. Dess is a different case cause my personal theory is that she's been dead and only exists in the dark world, however she has a big connection to the light world because of Carol. Kris and dess might have met before and plotted it as asriel was going to college and then she died and the reason carol puts up with Kris' shit is cause she thinks the soul is a way to get dess resurrected.
>TL;DR
Kris is a retard who wants asriel to have adventures together
Dess is dead and wants to be back with Noelle and the group
Carol wants her daughter back and thinks the dark world and the soul can do it
(You) can be so much more evil than the villains that Kris explicitly hates you
I am a fucking schizo

>>713951946
+1. The Vessel is a workout-ready body like NEO, meaning it's extremely malleable and morphs itself to fit the user (hence why Gaster was trying to shape its mind as your own). The Knight and the Vessel both share the same ghostly afterimage effect. Dess stole your ride.

>>713951317
So basically a stupid story that doesn't fit any of the themes of irrelevancy and inadequacy that toby has been building up so far?

Contemplate the meaning of your own image and what toby means by a fallen star (here's a hint: asgore, spamton, tenna), and get back to me with a better theory.

>>713952064
We got buildup in chapter 4, it's what sent the FRIEND stuff into overdrive.

>>713952119
WTF
THAT DOE STOLE MY VESSEL
RAPE IT

>>713952019
Now make them stare at each other realistically

The inevitable fate of all Dess Knight deniers is to devolve into obvious shitposting and baiting once they’re faced with irrefutable proof that their corkboards are shit

>>713951779
>The "helmet" is clearly "a bunch of made up fanon bullshit

>>713951872
>Susie discovers what you've been doing with Noelle and is pissed at Kris
>You can either try to make him back off or double down
>Kris tries so hard to keep you from choosing the option that will alienate Susie (as in he will somehow try and drag the Soul away from the option in the dialog box)
>You still pick it...
>...and Susie isn't stupid, she recognizes that it's not Kris and tells him to fight it
>Kris tears the Soul out and rushes to Susie before turning to the Soul
>Battle start

>>713952137
i think it's most likely a weeping star is an allegory for determination and dess getting injected with it
source: save points are only seen by a human or a human soul and determination is a force only extracted in usable quantities from human souls, the knight appears to be an undertale creepypasta monster like the true lab ones, one of the bunker maps looks like the determination machine from undertale

>>713952246

>>713952119
it feels a very big jump from "Toby used the same term to refer to NEO and vessel" to that
it could just be referring to the fact that they are both "empty" bodies who need a consciousness inserted into it to do anything. and NEO doesn't have evidence pointing towards it reshaping itself to the user; it was a drawing made on a library computer using paint, it's likely just shitty-looking.

>>713952137
>that doesn't fit any of the themes of irrelevancy and inadequacy
Oh gee I can't imagine how a punky rebel teenage tomboy with an incredibly strict frigid bitch of a mother could possibly fit into your arbitrary framework of not living up to expectations

>>713952119
The knight always struck me as being more vessel like than anything else, I fully believe that it's Dess body but her consciousness is still stuck in the dark, think of the masked man but it REALLY isn't Dess anymore

It genuinely bothers me that people think cancelled snowgrave will do anything at all

>>713951864
>the knight is connected to spamton.
...like dess?

>>713952006
I didn't know december was a cat anon, when did toby reveal this?

>>713952119

>>713948038
Im killing his ass the instant Toby gives me the option to and if he doesnt I'll learn to code a fangame where I can.

>Here's how Kris can still be The Knight:

>>713952410
The Knight has too much personality for that, desu.

>>713952216
that's an in-universe Titan motif
reminder that everything in the prophecy is the monster equivalent of christianity so naturally it influences culture in some level

>>713952426
I firmly believe cancelling Snowgrave is how you get the Twisted Sword. Only problem is there's nothing with that information that can go anywhere because the sword is just kinda powerful right now, and that's it.

>>713952439
Okay anon, legitimate question here: why would december's motivation be FIND HER. Shouldn't it be FIND ME?

>>713952509
How people can look at this teenage edgelord behavior and not think it's Dess?

>>713952524
>that's an in-universe Titan motif
How is a tail made of circles a Titan motif in the otherwise very literal Prophecy?

>>713952410
Based and canon
>>713952119
Based but I’m not sure it’s “Dess is using the Vessel” as much as it is “Kris/Vessel/Dess have intentional parallels”

>>713952558
I think that the sword is either useless or you get it in normal snowgrave as well
Only like one bit of flavortext no character change in noelle it's all definitely just some weird afterthought by toby that 100% wont get expanded

>>713951252
What if the goal of FRIEND is to make anons into schizos.

IT’S RUDY
THE KNIGHT’S CHEST OPENS UP AND REVEALS THE TUMOR
ALL THE FOUNTAINS ARE NEAR THE HOSPITAL
HE HAS UNIQUE SOUNDS EVEN THOUGH ALL HE DOES IS SIT IN BED
DESS IS DEAD IN THE BUNKER AND HE WANTS TO SAVE HER
UNDERTALE RUDY WAS ASGORE’S STRONGEST KNIGHT
SINK 4 RUDY 0
Plus think about it, he acts like a teenager to be cool to the kids. He doesn’t hate them, he just wants to save his daughters by whatever means necessary. He can’t move on.

>>713952614
It's Noelle's motivation. Spamton was baiting her with Dess.

>>713952119
You're just inserting december into theories even when it makes no sense anymore. Wouldn't it make more sense for a ghost to be the one possessing weird mechanical santas pulled out of the mayor's basement?

>>713952629
The titan is made of circles, you just can't tell because it's pixel art

>>713952439
Careful anon, soon you're going to have to start explaining to them that the Dark Worlds originated from Kris and Dess playing make-believe together and that literally every Darkner from the first three worlds is connected to Dess

>>713945639
What makes you think Sans is the same as from UT?

>>713946340
My apologies zhir, reddit is that way >>>/reddit/

>>713952629
it's the symbol of the "tail of hell" which is likely related to the ascent of the Titans and the path they take to the Roaring. it's the Deltarune equivalent of 666

>>713945105
how did we collectively arrived at this look of Dess anyways?

>>713952605
explain

Toby here
Read all of this
Some were right so I'm changing everything, Fuck you
Wait 3 more years because of this

>>713952707
Maybe overexposure to the dark is what's making him sick? Yet sicker?

>>713952769
A turtle's skull

>>713952750
Anon, he just painted over the grillby’s sign. Literally go look it’s the exact place

>>713952707
>he acts like a teenager to be cool to the kids
That's Alphys. Rudy is the one who knows he doesn't needs "how do you do fellow kids" routine to connect to kids.

>>713952701
>chapter 5 arrives
>there's a secret FRIEND boss that's a long joke on how people are being crazy over it, same as Mike3

>>713952707
>UNDERTALE RUDY WAS ASGORE’S STRONGEST KNIGHT
Huh? What are you talking about?

>>713951779
>>713951305
I see what you mean anon but compare the tone of the two scenes. https://youtu.be/ncGNdt92hIM?t=53 When it's narrating the knight's part it's serious but the Jockington part is silly. Additionally, dark worlds are all about playing tricks on your eyes as stated by Ralsei in chapter 3 https://youtu.be/b6GERwWvgJg?t=464. Not everything you see is real or to be believed especially with someone with as much control and knowledge over the darkworlds as the knight

>>713952332
She absolutely fits into the framework, she's tailor made for it, but you're somehow too retarded to do it. good thing toby is writing the game and not you

>>713951252
same as it ever was

>>713952750
>What makes you think Sans is the same as from UT?

>>713952509
I mean, it could be like what's happening with Kris and that it's someone else personality we're seeing? If it was just Dess then I don't see any logical motive for why she's doing anything, there's definitely more to it then it being Dess opening dark worlds for seemingly no reason, you would expect them to at least comfort Noelle if it was Dess still in there.

>>713952843
The alarm clock dialogue. Look it up.
>>713952785
I think he’s already dying but he’s burning all the fumes he can to help dess

>>713952860
Wait a second, this room has similar color palette to Noelle's room during Snowgrave.

Calling it now dess has kris's original soul

>>713952313
Thanks.

Baseball moon...

>>713952903
And in Snowdin no less

>>713951692
You think Dess will also have huge tits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3IHDr7M2s

>>713952707
>HE HAS UNIQUE SOUNDS EVEN THOUGH ALL HE DOES IS SIT IN BED
He went to church

>>713952426
if you abort at berdly you get to keep the thornring.
the CH4 scene makes it pretty obvious that you're locked in and probably wont be able to unequip it.

>>713952760
>>713952747
"Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail. The poor children."

The prophecy doesn't do metaphor or symbolism. It shows what IS, not something you can interpret. Jockington grows the beard, the pointy-headed will say "toothpaste" and then "boy," the Flower Man trapped in asylum, the lord of screens cleaved red by blade. If it says there's a tail, then it's a LITERAL fucking tail and not a metaphor for Titans or whatever.

>>713952748
Kris was playing with noelle anon. The first 3 dark worlds are noelle flavoured, hence the plug faces and 1225 literally everywhere. Everybody in tv world knows that december is MIA and has been for a long time, they wouldn't be asking about a character who has been knowingly gone for a long time.

>>713952942
Gaster stole them in order for her to fit in the weird leather knight suit =(

>>713952954
kek

>>713952942
Vriska Dess will piss so many people off