How the fuck did he get away with it
https://youtu.be/ZX5ef_KAZlY
https://youtu.be/c0SuIMUoShI
>>714396559 (OP)They're coming out of the pipes...
>>714396559 (OP)Why does he have a pussy on eye?
>>714397492Hey man, be careful. That doesn't look like an approved Video Games Thread to me.
>>714397686Ehhh, let 'em have their moment, a bunch of the internet came together solely to spite a corpo shill nepobaby with an ego the size of Rhode Island, they deserve their moment in the sun.
>>714396559 (OP)He looks like a school shooter.
>>714397686jannies flip flop on whether they delete threads or not, literally a couple days ago they hunted down all threads
Careful everyone, there's a wild janny on the loose and he's out of hot pockets
>>714397997>implying that autosaging that garbage thread with that OP was not then right decision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43ZIrsfof0&t=47s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Us0DZgexw&t=25s
He can't keep getting away with it!
>refuse to use /vg/
>instead keep spamming /v/ with generals that keep getting deleted
definition of insanity
>>714397870Toby Harris lmao
>>714397858Zoomers believe this is their own gamergate.
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>this is an unused gerson attack
>gerson would be undoubtedly the hardest boss if he went serious
>dodges
>only other monster to mix soul mode swapping in a single attack
>meta knowledge
Bros...
Does sans and gerson have more of a connection than we think?
>>714398418>Does sans and gerson have more of a connection than we think?
>>714398597Anon, a drawing made inside a dark world can't manifest itself in the real world.
>>714398597what the FUARK
>>714396559 (OP)HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>714398854>a drawing made inside a dark world can't manifest itself in the real worldTrue, but Undertale is probably a dark world in the first place.
>>714398854but what if
the underground is a dark world
>>714396559 (OP)the audience for his slops are children and retarded manchildren
How did he get away with it?
https://files.catbox.moe/kx1v67.mp4
>>714399023The final door of Undertale
How does it look like
>>714399279Are you talking about the unlockable door in Snowdin?
>>714399165>t. retarded manchildren
>>714398319>gamegateIt's a legislative initiative anon, how in the actual fuck does it resemble gamegate. Are you just throwing buzzwords around to fit in?
>>714396559 (OP)Does anyone have the full list of all songs he plagiarized? I swear I saw someone post it on here or /vg/
>>714399165In other words... /v/ - video games.
>>714399503No, as you face Asgore
>>714397686Are jannies sperging out again?
>>714399694>>714399595why the fuck are you two retards replying to a guy that didn't even open the links in the op?
>>714397039https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JZIHxFKZM
>>714399165And people who LOVE humans.
>>714399838>>714399926just get a trip already faggot
>>714396559 (OP)Andoe?
Andoe Hussie?
>>714400007Where is the text from?
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>>714399807it's not really that similar at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiPon8lr48U
>>714396559 (OP)>nintendo is SUPER aggressive if you even copy a single pixel or note of one of their works and sue you into bankruptcy>most of their old soundtracks are BLATANT bootlegs like what OP just postedIts always amazing how Nintendo gets away with everything they do no matter what it is. They could start banning Switch 2 consoles because you used aftermarket controllers on them and people would probably defend it.
>>714400182I just asked chatgpt to guess his race
>when gaster says "MY DELTARUNE" at the end of ch4's credits, he isn't referring to the game/story, he's referring to (You)
>red soul = deltarune = BALL GAME
>>714400197Undertale being a Dark World is a retarded theory.
>>714400783>(You) are the DeltaruneI would YIIK out so fucking hard
>>714400790explains how anyone can survive the fall inside mount ebott
>>714398597>Yfw the doodle has the Soul too
>>714401101The flowers, duh.
Is there another thread up, or did the /v/ threads finally slow down?
>>714400783what is the ball game?
What did that little faggot tell her?
>>714402027In between all the gay internet bullshit and gay scat porn spam today the jannies had to make sure nobody was talking about a video game on /v/
>>714399619>how in the actual fuck does it resemble gamegateThe spirit of it is the same even if the scale and grounds for both sides are wholly different
>deltarune fangame idea stuck in my head
The worst part is I might actually slave away to make it (or one chapter at least)
>>714402027The threads feel like they've been slowing down the last couple days. We're at the one month mark now.
>>714402050"ball game" is the attribute of the red soul in Undertale
>>714402290That was gay scat porn spam? I'm glad I was busy during that time.
>>714402257Kris always seems to know what to say, don't they?
>>714402438We have some anons making Deltarune Yellow, so go for it.
What's the game gonna be about?
>>714402345>>714402560yeah but how does ball game relate to deltarune? if red = ball game and red = deltarune then what would ball game + deltarune equal?
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>>714402631THE WORLD IS DARK
SO LETS MAKE SOME FUCKING LIGHT FOUNTAINS
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>>714402848>Looking at these things make your head hurt.>because Dess used to beat the shit out of Kris with these thingsMy fucking sides
>>714396559 (OP)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NHoNMtX30
Harman Smith called him out on this years ago.
>>714402945But then why is Kris simping for Dess?
>>714403187Sometimes love hurts
You will never experience pure joy
The knight will join the party or Kris at some point in the future. What are they fighting against tho? Gaster? the DEVICE? TRAUMA?
>>714403387I already did and I will again
https://youtu.be/umHD5N54tLQ?si=4mg3LnDkFoJGQxz2
Toby Fox addresses the plagiarism allegations in this interview.
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>>714403187I don't know, Stockholm Syndrome or something.
>>714403387Does anyone have that post-Chapter 1 pic of Kris monologuing to themselves about being a player when Susie slams them into the locker?
>>714403732>Does anyone have that post-Chapter 1 pic of Kris monologuing to themselves about being a player when Susie slams them into the locker?I don't recall this one, so I'm interested
>>714402332The only thing connecting the two is that there are people giving a shit about something. And there the resemblance ends.
>>714403187He can't stay away (he hates it)
>>714403863What if we could look up Noelle's skirt here
haha
>>714398319Gamergate was the bullshit that fucked up the internet since. It brainbroke so many retards.
>>714403187Because she made him love being treated like an animal
>>714403727I don't like this one
>>714401670Yeah I would expect flowers to be able to break a fall if it was the fantasy dark world.
I'll do you a solid and point out an actually good argument that undertale probably doesn't take place in a dark world. It uses the light world hud.
>>714403187Le promise in your hearts.
>haha guys guys look at my fetish look
Shut the fuck up already, you annoying nigger. Undomesticated ape.
714404386
Suselle sister btw
>>714403747Sans doesn't want to tell Susie that Kris is a backstabbing POS.
>>714404352AND THE TRASH IS THE RUINS
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>>714402945Who wouldn't want to beat the shit out of him at this point?
>>714403387Then I'll make Kris experience it.. against his will
>>714404487the floral scented trash can is Asgore's New Home
>>714404201Undertale is a fantasy world, dude. Dark World or not, it's literally a fairy tale.
>>714402257"help me i'm trapped in a chinese cage"
>>714403727>I WAS NOT>MOLESTING KRIS>I WAS JUST GIVING THEM...>...ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE>YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME, MAN>I WAS JUST MAKING THEM A SCHIZOBOSS
>>714404352Ok so Forgotten Man is Undertale Gaster, and SURVEY PROGRAM operator is Deltarune Gaster. This pretty much seals the deal, right?
Read some good fagslop
archiveofourown
org/works/67010719
>>714397686you do know jannies mass delete those threads too
>>714404169Man, why couldn't the chick who molested me as a child me had been an anthro doe?
>gaster raped kris behind the tree
>dess raped kris
>we rape kris by forcing him to rape noelle
He is such a victim
>>714404563Kris loves it though and is up for it even without you
how do I learn to compose
I have a keyboard but it's 4 octaves (no space for a full-fledged keyboard or piano)
ideally i'd love to learn to play keys (and whould probably make things easier) but just composing is my main goal
>>714397686I still have no idea what this stuff is supposed to be about desu
>>714403727Personally I think it's a misread to believe Forgotten Man is malevolent or has harmed Kris.
I think Kris and Forgotten Man stand to mutually gain from one another and that's why Forgotten Man is "helping Kris out".
Kris is also now stowing the eggs without our direction as of chapter 4 so it's not just us. Kris trusts Forgotten Man too.
>>714400783>you defeat the Titan because Susie literally dunks Kris (and by extension, the SOUL) like a basketball
Uh oh, Kris is having another melty
>>714404914I'd love to know too. I don't know how to compose.
For learning the play, learning scales and chords is a safe bet.
>>714396559 (OP)Who the fuck is this and why is it always posted? It looks like the youtuber Gerby
>>714405075I'd have a meltdown too if sans fucked my mom
>>714404803That screenshot was taken when those threads had been up for 40+ minutes while our hard working and well-paid staff nuked video games threads on sight
>>714404846He still came every time
>>714397686Sorry Anon, SKG is a Cultural Phenomenon so threads about it are fine. Deltarune isn't.
>>714404574Deltarune gave vibes of its light world being closer to reality at least as opposed to its dark world which do get thought of as a fantasy world for the characters. Attempts to tie Undertale to Deltarune would lead to ideas that Undetale tales place in the Dark World, precisely because of it being more of a fantasy or fairy tale.
But as I said. Undertale uses the Light World hud. So probably not the case. That and Frisk didn't suddenly get fantasy clothes when he entered it.
>>714405590I look like this and dance like this.
>>714404685The opposite retard
The egg man was Kris's therapist
>>714405437>Sorry Anon, SKG is a Cultural Phenomenon so threads about it are fine
>>714405589>THE EDGE OF THE SHADOW WHERE REALITY AND DREAM MEETThat's because Undertale is the result of mixing the light world with the dark world. It has aspects of both.
>>714404962Not to bring it up where it doesn't belong, but SKG is an initiative for the EU to get game studios that make online only games to produce offline versions alongside them, or to give out the means to continue playing these online games after their shutdown.
So, MMOs and such would have an offline version, or fan servers.
Berdly would support it.
>>714405642>>714405747Thank you, anon!
It's crazy that this could still fit with Kris's character despite everything kek
>>714403187He feels morally obligated to bring her back and 'fix' everything that went wrong since the accident.
>>714405589Deltarune has a different history to Undertale. It's more likely that magic just stopped being used in Deltarune. Plus ghost monsters exist in Deltarune, as well as fiery elementals.
And yeah, Frisk didn't get her clothes changed, and the UI is the same. Also Gaster studying Dark Fountains, too.
The absolute confidence with which the twitter fandom keeps repeating that UT Sans came from DR is really irritating.
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>>714406089that's a fucking beautiful noelle
>>714406054wow what makes them think that?
>>714406054it's because they will pretend they never said that once that lazy fanfic gets disproven
reminder that Deltarune is a kemono franchise
>>714406141No idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtC-pl9P3kE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSc7Yuwn1Ao
>>714406089I'm honestly still disappointed Toby backpedaled on the rose imagery.
>>714406141That's Sans, FRIEND, and WD Gaster.
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Have a WIP.
Bonus points if you get the reference.
>>714405075>>714405590From inside the birdcage
>>714406054They didn't notice Grillby's because they didn't actually play the game. Please understand
>>714406216The English word is furry, you fag
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>>714406280>Once Upon a Time at the beginning of Undertale's soundtrack and Good Night at the end, indicating that Undertale supposed to be a bedtime story>Deltarune's menu theme for Chapter 1 is titled "Before the Story"
>>714406427MAKE IT STOP WHY IS TOBY FOX LIKE THIS
IT'S LIKE I'M READING HOMESTUCK AGAIN IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED
>>714406141>the "don't forget" drawing only shows up after seeing the Fun event about how you'd be good friends with Suzy
>>714406054It's one of the clear connecting threads between the two games aside from Gaster himself seeing as how Sans
>talks about wanting to "go back" but the "surface doesn't appeal anymore, either," implying "going back" is a different place altogether that he can't go to anymore>Toby's old tweet about how True Pacifist is the Happiest Outcome, but "no one can fix the machine" which seems to be alluding to the one hidden away in Sans' backroom>as of Chapter 4 now that we know for sure Deltarune monsters bleed between Susie punching the prophecy and Noelle's thorn, the fact Sans in Undertale appears to bleed when he's struckBut there's obviously a lot more to it seeing as how we're getting a lot of constant intrigue about where the fuck Papyrus is, why the fuck doesn't Papyrus bleed, and whether or not he actually exists in Deltarune seeing as how Sans seems to be treating his existence as a Schrodinger's Skeleton, and the initial flavor text from earlier chapters is almost entirely reliant on (You) knowing about these characters from Undertale before we get Kris' much more realistic outlook of "it's just a normal ass but empty house."
What did he mean by this?
>>714404201The Underground is a video game at least in a meta sense. Characters like Sans, Flowey, Asgore and Gerson know you can't attack them whenever you want and you've actually gone through all of this multiple times before somehow. The game was inspired by Toby Fox's desire to be friends with the monsters in an RPG. The barrier is a gray rectangle, like a SNES cartridge or the slot it goes into in the console. Several characters make comments about the strange way their world works, like monsters turning to dust, which is obviously meant to replicate monsters disintegrating into pixels after you kill them in old RPGs.
But whether it's something like a video game within the world itself, like how Dark Worlds represent different escapist activities, is up for debate. I would guess it isn't, but we might see something like it in Deltarune.
>>714406693wonder if he's mad he never thought about Ceroba
Oh fuck, the knight is strong.
Can I even win if I played as a pacifist all this time and only got 1 revive mint? I keep defending with kris and ralsei and doing rude busters with Susie, but they deal 140 damage, which seems to barely be a scratch on the knight.
>>714406054They have convinced themselves that Gaster is not related to Sans to be contrarian to the 2016 fandom because it hated Alphys
>>714406797You only have to take out about 20-30% of the Knight's health. Don't worry about your damage, it's actually the best you can do at this point.
Did you get the Shadow Mantle? And is this the first time you're playing through Chapter 3?
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>>714406797You're going to need more revive mints because of the swoon mechanic, but otherwise it's still doable. Worst case scenario you just bang your head at it until you can no-hit it.
>>714404483This image is made funnier by the fact it's strongly recommended single mothers don't date until their kids are out of the house since they often end up targets for child predators.
>>714404686Why does Tumblr make everyone look Arabic?
>>714406776He's probably mad that UTY fumbled their story so bad that the Roba was basically a retard
>>714406797If you don't have more revivemints, your best bet is just stocking up on deluxedinners and healing whenever you can, rather than getting swooned.
Susie's the main damage dealer, like you saw, so you can use Kris to defend, or heal, and Ralsei will probably just die most of the time.
And you just have to get good at dodging.
>>714403627is there a video version?
>>714406817It's funny as fuck how Gaster's quick-retries against Knight and his Chapter 4 monologue instantly 180'd ledditors from "Gaster isn't fucking relevant guys (aside from the fact he banished Dess to the code so he could take her down to schizotown), he was just a means to getting us into Deltarune in-narrative" to FINALLY recognizing his importance as the overseeing observer of our adventure and his experiment.
>>714403627Ever Higher is such a good track
>>714407094https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfYM2DwHqTU
>>714406797140 is solid. Make sure to use the special mechanic with it for a little bit of extra damage if you aren't using it already.
Stock up on deluxe dinners for healing. You don't need revive mints.
I hope you have the shadow mantle on Susie.
It's ok if Ralsei dies.
>>714407372This but my cock in the middle.
>>714406797have Kris use TensionMax turn 1 to get your rude buster tempo on track
If you have revivedust, then give Kris the Blue Ribbon, its healing buff will make the dust be a full heal on swooned ralsei and susie instead of only 25%
>>714406054This but with Player Angel retardation.
>>714407326Oh god my heart
>the titan is easier than fucking berdly
So this is... the power of roaring...
>>714407414Goddess of hyper slut toriel..
>>714407473KRIS NO THAT'S YOUR PRE-SCRATCH SISTER
>>714407510That too
>IT's MY REFLECTION!!
>>714406939>>714407003>>714407057>>714407348>>714407453>You only have to take out about 20-30% of the Knight's healthWell that's a relief, maybe there's a chance then. Yeah, I've got the shadow mantle. I don't think I can get any more revive mints though, so I did stock up on the deluxedinners.
The biggest issue is with the attacks where you have to fit through a corridor or swords. It looks as though there's a good amount of space, and yet I keep messing up. Also that attack where the knight splits the box in two - I can dodge it when it's only horizontal or vertical, but when it starts switching around I start messing up.
Well, I guess I just gotta keep trying.
>>714407657Can't you get some from the capsule machine? If you didn't do the Dess secret it should still work.
>>714406693He's a gooner.
>>714406693This is fake btw
>>714407657Only look at the right side of the screen for the swords.
>but when it starts switching around I start messing up.I think that's the hardest attack. Well, more specifically the version where it's horizontal, vertical, or fucking diagonal. But the version with just horizontal and vertical is the second hardest.
>>714407762the revive mint in the gachapon is a gold prize (as in there's only one lol)
>>714407620Genuinely wonder if people who believe that actually have a brain.
>>714406776>>714407042Reminder that Toby Fox liked Ceroba so much he had thrown Toriel under the bus to make Roba look better in comparison. That's a character based on his own mother we're talking about.
>>714406797>Oh fuck, the knight is strong.Tell me about it. Currently struggling through on my completionist/pacifist save.
Is this what I get for beating Spamton on the first attempt?
>>714408064>Don't worry, Kris, I'll NO_HIT this DEVICE_FRIEND.
>>714406616>and whether or not he actually exists in DeltaruneHe 100% exists given the sounds in his house when you knock on the door. If Sans didn't have a brother he wouldn't react like he did either.
There is STRANGE shit going on with him however, the fact he's absent from his house at the end of chapter 4 is very suspect.
>>714407657You do have the quick reset too, right?
Other than that, good luck.
Took me several tries over 3 days, so don't despair!
Will we ever get to fight any version of him?
>>714408026We gonna get chapter 5 and there's gonna be a tall vixen character and I'm just gonna go to the middle of the street and scream HAAACK to the top of my lungs
>Kris got molested by this
Heโs so lucky
>>714407682Why does she smoke?
>>714408380qveen vvon...
billions must die...
Deltarune Gaster was a kindly child psychologist who got annihilated because Undertale Gaster's stupid ass wiped out all versions of himself with his little CORE incident
>>714408417Dealing with a shitty kid you didn't want and a clingy ex is stressful
>>714408078Putting a lot of soul into that fart.
>>714408265His whole schtick is being a character that exists outside of reality, so no. The big secret boss fight is going to be Friend who's actually Seam.
>>714408530Not annihilated. He's still running around the Light World, driving his car and eating hamburgers. Noone can remember him for long, though.
>>714408571>climbing out of tenna's mouth
I
NEED
MORE
KRALSEI
HELP ANONS
SEND ME YOUR STRONGEST KRALSEIS
Do you think this guy will actually impact the story if you get 1+ eggs?
What are things that could possibly cause a different ending so far?
>Snowgrave
>Shadow Crystals
>Eggs
>S Room / 'sword route' (I doubt it, but putting it here to preempt replies)
>>714408728I hate this pairing so much
>>714408741>>714408530Why is Forgotten Man both in the Light World and Dark World?
Why are the Eggs unchanged in between?
Guys, is there hope for Kris and Noelle? I mean, let's just ignore the shipfag stuff about compatibility and chemistry and look at it from a storytelling perspective - it's a textbook story of star-crossed lovers who has to defy the fate because the entire universe is conspiring to keep them apart. It can't end with some cowardly cop-out about them moving on, right?
>>714408741I don't think it'll impact the story, it'll be a detailed cutscene where Kris resolves some trauma or whatever and gets a really strong armour based on DEF and TP gain.
>>714408530Ah so hesโs why Kris goes by they/them, good thing Underchad Gaster stopped him before he could ruin Kris further
>>714408904Only hope is weird route
>>714408741Not too important, not too unimportant. It won't affect the ending, but you'll get some big insight into the backstory.
>>714408741Sword route is just for the shadow mantle and snowgrave tip, I don't expect it to matter at all beyond that.
>>714408783I liked it back when I could self insert into Kris, not seeing him as his own distinct character with his own hopes and dreams.
I love it even more now, knowing it probably makes Kris insanely uncomfortable, for me to gratify the goat
>>714408930God I hope not. The mantle+knight situation was pretty meh already, with the mantle being optional in theory but mandatory for the majority of the players in practice.
>>714408904Aborted Snowgrave at best
Why does /v/ love Toby so much? Is he /v/ certified? I swear I don't think I've seen any actual dislike except for shitposters trying to say he stole assets/music.
If you don't need the shadow crystals or any eggs to get the best ending, Deltarune might actually suck ass.
I just shake my head imagining a lobotomized streamer thot or vtuber limping through the game doing the bare minimum and everything still working out fine.
>>714409127The Andrew Hussie Is That You? copypasta permanently cemented Toby as /v/core
Plus his games are good
>>714409127He makes really good music and games, and he doesn't act like an insufferable cunt.
>>714408741We'll likely get very important backstory or lore, maybe a extra item for your hard work. I doubt it'll be its own ending though
>>714409127He's not siding openly with any of cliques, he just does his thing and does it good. And, he won.
>Last Prophecy
>Has the music motif from Castle Town
>Susie visibly shaken and smashed the 'Last Prophecy'
We're gonna find out that the prophecy said the fountain in castle town needs to be sealed which will kill everyone including Ralsei won't we?
>>714409309>I won.dude he's so fucking real and true
a real nigga.
>>714409127>Makes good games>Supports sexy femboys and dommy mommies>Hates niggers and the disabledHe's literally /ourguy/
>>714409127Toby has gigachad energy. Only someone as chad as him can pull this off and not be cringe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwampY_jIdg
>>714409127His handling of the Off remaster rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and we don't even know the full extent of that yet. Also people don't like him censoring Deltarune. Also caving to BLM bullshit.
>>714408571Gooner Vessel.
The eggs will be required for the best ending. The reason why I'm confident in this is because you cannot get the second egg on Snowgrave, meaning getting all the eggs will be exclusive to someone already on the good path.
>>714409367Not at all.
For one thing, the prophecy says for the WORLDS to be saved. That includes dark worlds.
For another thing, sealing dark worlds doesn't kill darkners whatsoever. They completely continue to exist and experience at some level. Tenna actively wants to be adopted into a non-dark-world home.
All that sealing dark worlds does is stop Lightners from interacting with Darkners like people.
>>714409127Only tumblr tourists like him, like
>>714409278 and
>>714409419 and
>>714409449, regular /v/ posters always thought he was a pretentious faggot and what little stragglers he had he lost with supporting BLM
This is how you identify tumblr tourists btw, regular /v/ dropped Suda over the "fuck racism" shirt which is nothing compared to calling kids to support BLM like Toby, only tumblrfags can excuse and diminish that sort of behavior and you should tell them to go back at every opportunity
>>714408265Only if you somehow fuck things up so drastically that HIS DELTARUNE is on the brink of irreversible destruction.
>>714409512The crazy thing about the Off situation is he knew he was gonna be the scapegoat for complaints about the original composer not returning. He did an interview that's not written in his quirky style at all, it's just him talking, and he says asking to guest compose was like being asked to take a bullet in the back for Mortis Ghost.
>>714409127he's like the one guy that doesn't come off as a huge pretentious asshole in the world of indie pretentious asshole devs and he's VERY aware of the internet fandom hellhole because he saw Hussie be destroyed by it
>>714409127He made cute humans. He's based even if his dicksuckers can be annoying.
Toriel overdoses again...
>>714409710lol you're fucking autistic son, Toby is literally the ur-example of a pretentious indie dev
>>714409512This is probably the only thing I can really think of that Toby is guilty of, but he's kinda in a tough place because Conrad didn't want to return due to the whole legal shit regarding OST's. I mean Materia collective are cunts who take down pretty much any OST on Youtube.
My biggest criticism is that his OST interpretation is far less industrial than the original especially with the percussion for the songs he has done. Dedan's theme with Bonetrousal while a nice omage feels really inappropriate for the game.
That's only one thing though, he's still a cool guy overall.
>>714408701>She's coming straight from MY WHAT!?
>>714409824>he's still a cool guy overall.Go back
>>714409705>"I'm gonna be honest, just feels like I got assigned to take a bullet in the back for everybody else. I looked up almost every jazz song from the 1920s, I commissioned Carlos to make an entire fake jazz song for me so I could cut it up into samples, I tried making like 6 entirely different songs, but nothing I could come up with on my own felt quite right.>In the end, I summoned Camellia to help me out by re-remixing my first track into multiple versions, and ultimately I think it will feel pretty cool as you go through the game." >- Toby FoxYep, it's an unenviable position to try and follow up Peppar Steak and Avatar Beat, but if you can't re-use the original soundtrack then Toby's probably the best you can get.
>>714409278he steals music and makes tranny games
he also looks like a fucking dweeb that should be shoved into a locker
>>714408571calm time or imscared, call i
>>714409657This. The only people who like him here are the ones who are not contrarian faggots and therefore don't fit in with the /v/-certified cool kids. A regular /v/ poster would never touch his games. Don't let yourself be fooled, the thread is a facade and everybody is being ironic here because, I mean, could you imagine someone liking this video game genuinely? Haha, now wouldn't that be embarrassing.
>>714409797proof? nearly every time he talks he tries to be humble and honest about his feelings. Undertale got a bit tiring at times but Deltarune is nothing but genuine
>>714409908>Deltarunes threads daily>'Man Toby is cool isn't he /v/?'>Contrarianism kicks in>'NO TOBY SUCKS AND IS A FAGLmao, like clockwork.
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>>714409449We never talk about how Hey Arnold fits in the Undertale/Deltarune lore.
>>714409657Toby "the underground railroad to negrotown" Fox.
Toby "Helen Keller is a stupid retarded bitch who should only make sandwhiches for the superior sex" Fox.
Toby "Child murder is funny." Fox.
I don't believe you slandering my hero.
>>714408904>letโs just ignore the shipfag stuff>says something only a shipfag could believeDeltarune is a coming of age story. That includes moving on
Kris is for Susie anyway
>>714409972I would unironically kill myself if Toby replied like this to me. Actual bullet through the skull. I'm glad that supposedly MatPat is on good terms with him now.
>>714408571I VILL make Kris fuck us und he VILL be happy
>>714410114>>714409972its funny because the game Toby was talking about was Heartbound
...PirateSoftware's/Thor's scam UT ripoff that he'll never fucking finish
>>714410094He publicly called on his underage fanbase to support BLM, a race grifting organization, he is not /v/ and he will never be /v/ and you can cope about it until
>>714410198>Implying accelerating the race war isn't the most logical move to make.
Do you think Toriel uses dating apps?
>>714410198what the fuck are you doing in a DT thread chud?
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Controlling Kris's body...
>>714410307>>714410316Telling you fags to go back where you came from
>>714398319If the fag was a woman it would have been gamergate 2
>>714410190They shouldn't have linked the game because Heartbound or its dev deserve any attention, because they absolutely don't. They should have linked the game as a standard practice.
>>714410198Just because you're underage doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>714410312>dating appsOh no... Poor Kris
>>714409972My nigga Toby talks like he's a badly translated japanese interview, he's so far up his own ass you can see him coming out of his own mouth
>>714410417no yeah that was his point I'm just saying it hilarious considering current events
>King didn't even actually see the Knight himself
>he just bought into the hype when his resident schizo clown told him about it
Is he stupid?
>>714408741It will be important backstory and lore, maybe one joke dialogue in the real world if you get all the eggs, but it wont determine your ending.
alright, it's definitely doable
>>714410419Stop coping and projecting and retvrn to where you came from
>>714410198Toby was probably trying to be nice without doing his due diligence to check it out. Dumb mistake, but not really anything to get in a tizzy over. Not like he's full on virtue signalling online.
The one thing I wish Toby hadn't done was correct some random person about calling Kris he, since now every twitter/tumblr/reddit user will derail conversations about it and screech incessantly, like death of the author isn't a thing and you can interpret their gender one way or the other without being wrong and treating a fictional character like they're real like the most obnoxious cunts imaginable.
>>714410438Meanwhile in reality
>noelle wants to strangle him>susie wonโt even bring him to the dark world to heal his destroyed arm>kris has a mental breakdown when you pick him
>>714410470He just does that for promotional tweets and silly interviews, he speaks normal often, such as the recent famous "I won" bsky tweet
Also, some of his really old Radiation posts had the same writing style as his modern posts people accuse of this
>>714410553>jevil blackpilled (shadowpilled?) king
>>714406054Anon, I am going to challange you and the thread at large to come up with ONE THING that the twitter fanbase keeps repeating with absolute confidence that isn't irritating.
Hardmode: Not allowed to bring up the Susie Headrest thing.
>>714410607>retvrnwhy did shartyfags start speaking like this
>>714410617What you're experiencing now is called cognitive dissonance, Toby is virtue signaling tumblr incarnate but your mind is coping and trying to find a way to negate that fact
>>714408741Yes, just like the Snowman Piece.
>>714408904No, heterosexuality is evil, chud.
>>714410504Oh yeah, I see, that's right.
I think the reason why he replied is because his game got involved in this too. Advertising it as Undertale 2 is fucking retarded.
I don't think he would have gone out of his way to defend Heartbound of all things specifically. Or, he could have made a mistake and not looked up the dev. It is very easy to recognize this kind of faggot, and I think Toby knows how to read the room.
>>714410750>cognitive dissonanceIronic, the dissonance between what you think that term means and how you're using it is indeed exactly that.
>>714406054Chapter 5 can't come soon enough, but given the after math of 3 and 4, I doubt people have the brain power to comprehend simple ass plot lines.
>>714408741I dont think it'll actually change how the story goes, but I could see us getting some background information about Kris' past or something lore related.
>>714410603You're almost there, anon
Make Papa Gaster proud of you
Kris is non-binary because she was raped by Dess btw
>>714396559 (OP)What fanbase other than deltarune contains the highest concentration of homestuck refugees personally I think project moon
Also ayin would get along with gaster, and that they share far more similarities in what they want than anyone could understand
>>714410553No wonder he was trying to be all cool and edgy
>>714410637So he's pretentious?
>>714406054if you dont think thats the case how in the world do you explain the evidence between both games? sans is from a completely different โother worldโ that isnt deltarune?
>>714409710His attitude to game development can be pretentious. This is the guy who intentionally made the genocide route grindy for the sake of some annoying commentary, only for deltarune to have moments of unironic grinding (depending on how badly you needed equipment/items).
Also made a ridiculously long wait without saves during chapter 1, because he wanted it to be a thing that saves only existed in the dark world.
Ralsei is a huge oak tree with some sort of sentimental value tied to Asriel. His roots sprawl the entirety of Hometown, which is how he's present in every dark world. It's also why he has an acorn on his chest and a leaf-shaped hat.
>>714411143He insists upon himself.
>>714410845No it's pretty simple actually, you convinced yourself Toby is "based ackshually" when there is overwhelming evidence he behaves like the archetypal tumblr faggot, which your brain cannot parse in order to change your original stance, so you have two conflicting stances in your brain at the same time
>>714411154>Also made a ridiculously long wait without saves during chapter 1You can just sleep in to skip the whole beginning segment, anon.
>>714408530>>714408665I actually kind of like this interpretation. It's a way to have Gaster be involved in the story while still keeping his "original" version a mystery.
>>714411154he relented when playtesters complained about the lack of savepoints and the genocide route is a commentary route not intended for the vast majority of players. He also added the skip dialogue function as default and DT has a shitload of QoL things
>>714411154>This is the guy who intentionally made the genocide route grindy for the sake of some annoying commentaryAnon the idea is that a player wouldnโt stumble upon the start of Genocide in the Ruins if they were adverse to grinding to begin with
>>714411126Every project moon fan I have ever known was mentally contaminated by the Worst Webcomic Ever previously, so I'd say its' larger there from purely personal bias.
>>714411320>commentary route not intended for the vast majority of playersRather pretentious for an RPGmaker tier indie game if you ask me
>>714411154>only for deltarune to have moments of unironic grindinglmao
Literally stop being bad
>>714410098>Deltarune is a coming of age story. That includes moving onSounds gay. It's an epic adventure.
>>714411228Sorry you are incapable of thinking in anything except binary 'with me or against me' sort of thinking. Kinda sad, really. Enjoy this last (You), I'm glad this thread is proof of the irony of you using that term since you clearly enjoyed this thread till your contrarianism kicked in when someone praised Toby and your brain being unable to parse the enjoyment of Deltarune began to violently seethe.
Please seek therapy rather than venting on /v/. Thanks ;)
>>714411154If you had to grind on Deltarune you are actually retarded. It's not a hard game.
>>714410617Toby's a full-on Jewish shitlib. There's a whole panoply of developers who never weighed in on any of this shit and even some who vouched for the good side. And to top it off, he ran away to heterogeneous, conservative Japan so he doesn't have to suffer the consequences of his own society-ruining delusions. His games are full of broken straight couples and perfectly happy gay couples; he even forces you to play Cupid for homos if you want to get the good endings. He is precisely the kind of developer /v/ normally hates. If he made hero shooters or 3D games they'd be full of fat black women.
/v/irgins only give him a pass because his games are good. That's it.
>>714411432it's okay for games to try new things anon
the game itself is already a schizo one-man-party JRPG with bullet hell. I think it's fine for a weird ass secret route to be annoying if that's the point
if you want pretentious, go look at YIIK
>>714411475>still unable to accept the fact that Toby acting like the faggots he usually hates on makes Toby part of the faggots he usually hates onSad, I hope for a peaceful mental reconciliation in your future
Was So Sorry actually being referenced in chapter 4 egg?
>>714411375And the point of the bullet hell gimmick is that you can face any enemy no matter your level if you just dodge all the bullets. There's no reason to grind when you can just git gud.
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>>714411432what are your thoughts on Lobotomy Corporation being purposefully designed as abysmally dogshit hard for the purposes of the story in a way you cannot escape no matter how good you play
>>714411543It's okay, yet it is also pretentious at the same time
>>714406585DR wears its inspirations on its sleeve. It's full of things that Toby loved.
Homestuck is one of those things.
>>714409127>/v/dev>uses early internet humor that growing up late millennials and early zoomers loved which made up late 00s/early 10s 4chan>/v/'s early earthbound/yume nikki fanbase appreciates more games inspired by it>music is good>games are good and fun>memes are good
>>714411585Depends on how you look at it, there's an unseen NPC who says
>Oh...! I'm sorry. I was so into drawing I didn't notice you!>Are you here for Art Club?>Right, this is where we draw pictures, and don't kill each other!>... What am I drawing? Oh, don't look. I'm not finished yet...>How did I get here? Hmm...>I can't say I remember.>... I was in such a rush, I didn't look where I was going at all!
>>714411534>And to top it off, he ran away to heterogeneous, conservative Japan so he doesn't have to suffer the consequences of his own society-ruining delusionsAll while eroding it with his subversive shitlib attitudes and messages
Japan needs an immigration ban 10 years ago
>>714411534>His games are full of broken straight couples and perfectly happy gay couples; he even forces you to play Cupid for homos if you want to get the good endings.>ignoring Spamton/Tenna deteriorating to the two being at each others' throats>ignoring Dess/Asriel only getting fucked because of Gaster shenanigansImagine being this retarded.
>>714409127gud game, gud music, funny joeks, no major drama, gave us suzo
>>714411228 Youโre acting like liking a game made by someone with cringe personal takes is some kind of philosophical contradiction. You can enjoy a piece of media without signing a blood pact with its creator, retard. Newsflash: most devs are weirdos with Twitter accounts saying dumb shit. If you're gonna throw a tantrum anytime that happens, your backlog is gonna be empty as hell.
>>714411534>/v/irgins like a developer because his games are goodWoah....
>>714410617>The one thing I wish Toby hadn't done was correct some random person about calling Kris he, since now every twitter/tumblr/reddit user will derail conversations about it and screech incessantly, like death of the author isn't a thing and you can interpret their gender one way or the other without being wrong and treating a fictional character like they're real like the most obnoxious cunts imaginable.Funny thing is, watching the video where he supposedly do that I didn't actually see him actually 'correct' anyone. He refers to Kris as 'they' after an announcer says 'he'. That's not the same thing as actually stopping someone and going 'wrong pronoun actually'.
Which means the whole thing is founded on even more bogus than I thought.
>>714411043He also looks happy in the pacifist photo btw. He found his friends.
>>714411269>You can just sleep in to skip the whole beginning segment, anon.Talking about the end
>entire chaos king boss fight, with cutscenes>entire chapter 1 goodbye sequence>entire hometown sectionAll without saving. I've plenty of players complain that they had to do the chaos king boss fight again every time they wanted to revisit chapter 1 hometown.
>>714411320> the genocide route is a commentary route not intended for the vast majority of playersIt's gameplay content. It also implies people interested in challenging boss fights are also interested in grinding.
>>714411375Solution to that would have been to only make the ruins section a long grind. By the time you're in snowdin on genocide it's clear you know what's up so further grind should really be minimal.
>>714411454>>714411492>It's not a hard game.Optional bosses.
We had an anon on here a few threads ago asking if he would be expected to grind on deltarune. No one on the thread tried to claim it's completely unnecessary. Again, depends whether you want to certain equipment/items. Another example that springs to mind is Susie's heal for the Gerson fight.
>>714411832Come on, Kris, it's not nice hogging all the tomboys, leave some to your brother.
>>714411896>Youโre acting like liking a game made by someone with cringe personal takes is some kind of philosophical contradiction.We were specifically talking about "/v/ loving Toby" or being "/v/ certified", as posted in
>>714409127, I simply brought up the reasons why that cannot be the case
>>714411952>I've plenty of players complain that they had to do the chaos king boss fight again every time they wanted to revisit chapter 1 hometown.Yeah, it would've been better if Toby just put the savepoint in the room before the King fight so you don't have to do it again.
>>714411921Damn really? Shame that Toby has such a mentally ill fanbase that is veiled in identity politics. It's like Panty and Stocking twitter users whining so Gartbelt's lips got censored. Autists will sadly latch on to media like this and ruin it everytime.
>>714412020Asriel has his nice human gf Chara in college
>>714411427Maybe there's just something about it that just attracts people who were dissatisfied with with HS.
I quite like canto 5 because I feel the exact same way the Ishmael feels toward Ahab but for me it's Andrew hussie and quite a few other things...., but I do release that this feeling is completely insane and irrational and I should focus on making my own way in life instead of being hung up on the many frustrations that lay on the sides of that path 6>8>4>5=7>3>1>2
>>714410056He's the biggest faggot of all time which is why he belong here.
I'm so out of the loop can someone explain the Dess molestating Kris meme? I am so out of the loop
>>714412054>/v/ is one personDefine /v/ certified? Define /v/? Is it a majority share of anons? Your fixation on your idea of these nebulous terms is part of the reason that triggered your autistic bitch fit.
>>714411478Okay but what if we do run into another human for some reason who teaches kris to man the fuck...
It would be kinda kino
>>714412226It's just 4chan being 4chan, deciding that Kris has been raped a lot in his life following Chapter 4 allowing (You) and Noelle to rape him in the summer of '25.
>>714412262>Define /v/ certified?Fitting into the general consensus of /v/ opinions and worldviews, which Toby does not
>Your fixation on your idea of these nebulous terms is part of the reason that triggered your autistic bitch fit.I didn't put those terms or ideas forth,
>>714409127 did, I just engaged on the terms I was presented with
>>714406280This whole bit was actually, genuinely, and completely unironically kino.
>>714412226Kris learnt to rape Noelle from somewhere
And Noelle has a sister-complex for a reason
>>714412226There's a lot of stuff in Chapter 3 and 4 implying Kris and Dess were close, so naturally people have started shipping it
What I want to know is where's the Asriel/Noelle content?
>>714412459No you did, because you interpreted them one way and then decided to arbitrarily decide based on that interpretation.
Don't be a retard and try to worm your way out of the onus of your argument. You're a retard who lacks introspection who tries to debate with terms that don't make any sense anyway.
>>714412226Kris's obsession with Moss comes from Dess Molesting him.
Dess
Molest
Moss
>>714411832two tomboys and a boy (female)
imagine
>>714412108I think it would be fine IF they weren't so pushy about it. Kris is deliberately ambigous, not just in terms of sex, but also race, voice, behavior, and so on. It's part of selling the illusion of Kris just being a Protag-Kun so that the twist at the end of Chapter 1 works.
Sure, some of the more important things about Kris have been detailed out since (we know secondhand what Kris's voice sounds like now, and have a better idea of their personality), but shit like what Kris's Racially Ambiguous Yellow Skin is meant to represent or what bathroom they use is probably never going to be explicit.
With that in mind, there's nothing WRONG with cooking up an interpretation of Kris that is nonbinary or whatever else, any more than having the Commander in XCOM be an anime girl. But demanding that everyone else conform to your headcannon on threat of internet tantrums and shitting out wikipedia articles to legitimize yourself (look it up, that is real) is fucking retarded and insufferable.
>drink wine once
>entire fanbase hates you
Did she deserve it?
>>714412226>>714412370To be fair, there's a lot implying that Dess and Kris were very close, beyond just being friends because of their families.
Personally I think the reason they were so close was because Dess is a human and they bonded over their similar circumstances
>>714397686imagine if some egotist faggot furry just kept his mouth shut we wouldn't be getting spam and that movement would have died
>>714412674He had to eat her moss daily...
>>714409127Unironically it's because his stuff exudes soul. Not only is his talent clear, so is the immense amount of time and effort he puts into everything. You don't make a game like Undertale or Deltarune by not caring, and you can't not feel that when you play.
>>714412874She deserves worse.
>>714412672>No you did, because you interpreted them one way and then decided to arbitrarily decide based on that interpretation.How else would you interpret them? /v/'s positions on these topics are pretty cut and dry
>>714412874It was over nine years in the making that people would finally understand why there's those who dislike Toriel, so yeah.
>>714412874toriels actions in both undertale and deltarune are fucking retarded and i fully expect her to grovel for kris and susieโs forgiveness in chapter 5 otherwise toby is a hack
but it does puzzle me that now sheโs the โtown bikeโ after drinking with sans once while having been divorced for years. shes a bad and irresponsible mother but not a whore
>>714412874You just don't know what it is living with an alcoholic mother.
>>714397039what was that all about anyway
>>714396559 (OP)Many more examples of this, but you have people saying it's a coincidence. Why don't't you see this happening with other vidya games on a wide scale then?
>>714412874>onceJust look at Kris' reaction. He's not surprised to see Toriel like that, he's fucking ashamed.
>>714413201you're right
sans didn't pay toriel, she's a slut
>>714412226Anons trying to twist interactions within the game to justify their fetish while ignoring any other relationships between characters
It'll die down by next chapter
>>714413201>town bikeThat's mostly just meme talk that exists to spite Asgore and make him into the most cucked man in fiction, because even in dunking on Toriel, Asgore has to catch collateral damages too.
>>714412874Toby has hinted many times that Toriel has a drinking problem.
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>>714413000Either that or they used to adventure in dark worlds together. Dess being another ice mage so they were able to keep darkners from running away. This was the "real fun" from the good old days Ramb refers to and why he thought Kris would enjoy Mantle.
>>714399002I think the light world HUD being the same as the undertale HUD pretty much says that that's not the case
>>714413201>i fully expect her to grovel for kris and susieโs forgivenessHell no, the Roaring will begin the day when Toriel "Knows best for you" Dreemurr admits she's wrong about something. I'd rather see this situation used for Asgore redemption.
>>714413294It's a bit annoying, to be honest.
>>714413253That small part was animated so well, you can really feel how ashamed Kris is
Makes me feel for the guy
>>714413201>shes a bad and irresponsible mother but not a whoreShe fucked a stranger she only knew for 2 days. She's a slut.
>>714412874Asgore did nothing wrong
>>714413242The consensus interpretation is that it's reliving an incident where Kris fucked the Dreemurr's plumbing by flushing bath bombs down the toilet and it caused a huge fight.
>I'm sorry. I'm sorry about the pipes.>I knew. I KNEW I shouldn't have done it.
I did it!
Very fun fight desu
>>714412874I'm still over here genuinely wondering if Toby was channeling some kind of real-world experience here
>>714413365>"the knife grows dull" hinting at Kris and Dess going on Darkner purges for funWould be kino if true.
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>>714396559 (OP)>Rabid fanbase jumps at anyone's throat who has even the slightest criticism>"Hurr durr guys why nobod in the fandom is calling him out"It's a mistery.
>>714413504Just let them get out of their system, they sound schizoid enough and is the only place trying to preach it
>>714413120Well /v/ isn't one person and second most anon's don't really give a fuck unless it's glaringly obvious or shoved down your throat.
I don't remember Toby shoving it down your throat he's a good person who supported BLM and the average anon doesn't really give a fuck if the game is good and the characters/design is interesting enough to make porn off.
Not everyone here is driven solely by the politics of game dev's as long as it isn't glaringly obvious or clearly has a negative bias towards the game itself with an flimsily political agenda. Like black characters who are trying to be hip, or trying way too hard to stand out and be 'unique'. If you make a good game, anons will like it, and shitposters might detract it but ultimately the overall consensus is apparent as shown by the tons of Deltarunes threads will people actively engaging positively with the game.
People like Toby because he makes a good game with good music and has strong and clear inspirations from Jap games which /v/ loves so most people like it since most /v/irgins love Japan and Japanese games, the one bias that is undisputedly true despite contrarianism.
>>714403671Arguing with yourself and still losing.
>>714413581>flushing bath bombs down the toiletWhat even happens if you do that? I only heard about dropping the yeast into toilets or blowing up toilet bowls with firecrackers.
>>714399694Wrong again fag, we're also autistic.
>>714413586https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8
>>714413747And the target audience for this shit isn't?
>>714413365>Kris held up fine because he had his knife that turns into a SWOON Sword that was probably capable of killing shit if it ever got really bad, similar to how you kill enemies in Mantle>he also knows what Snowgrave is because it used to be Dess' signature spell, explaining why (You) can force Noelle to cast it once she equips the Thorn Ring
>>714413581>it caused a huge fight.I can see it, but would Toriel be the one starting the fight? Asgore is too much a pushover for me to see him really discipline his kid, at most he would make Kris promise him to not do it again(and even that's kinda streching it)
>>714408904>Kris and NoelleForced btw
>>714412874>Mom ditches son.>Son is scared and think she's in danger, searches for her with his friends.>Unable to find her. Walk home in the rain after dark with his friend.>Comes home to see his mom falling over drunk and "dancing" with some literal who who was an ass to them earlier. She met Sans just 2 days ago.>Mom doesn't ask where son was. Was not worried about him being out late. Did not even tell him she was home.>Friend is disturbed by this. Had built up an image of a good caring mother in her head that has now been shattered. Is unable to stick around and goes home.>Mom tells son there's food in the fridge for him.>There isn't it>Is forced to listen to them "dance" (have sex) when he's trying to sleep.>His parents are divorced and he misses his dad btw.
>>714413505>>714413253Poor kid, I should probably stop shipping his dad with Alphys.
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>>714413831The only thing is Noelle's dialogue hints that she knew what Snowgrave was as well. Maybe Dess tried to teach her how to use it but Noelle freaked out because they were killing people.
>>714413849We've never seen it but the whole "swearing vengeance on humanity" thing implies that Asgore does have a pretty nasty temper, and if things were already stressed because of the Dess case/Asgore losing his job...
>>714411154>only for deltarune to have moments of unironic grinding (depending on how badly you needed equipment/items).I have never done any grinding in Deltarune
>>714413656>Well /v/ isn't one person That's the term
>>714409127 proposed
>and second most anon's don't really give a fuck unless it's glaringly obvious or shoved down your throat.Openly calling to support BLM is as "down your throat" as it gets
>he's a good person who supported BLMContradiction
>and the average anon doesn't really give a fuck if the game is good and the characters/design is interesting enough to make porn off.They definitely do, there's a "fuck racism" Travis shirt thread up right now
>Not everyone here is driven solely by the politics of game dev's as long as it isn't glaringly obvious or clearly has a negative bias towards the game itself with an flimsily political agenda.If you didn't notice the obvious LGBT themes in UT and DR that's on you
>People like Toby because he makes a good game with good music and has strong and clear inspirations from Jap games which /v/ loves so most people like it since most /v/irgins love Japan and Japanese games, the one bias that is undisputedly true despite contrarianism.All of your claims have always been controversial on /v/ due to the fact "/v/ is not one person", however the anons supporting Toby's output tend to stick out among regular uses by doing things like downplaying BLM support, whereas the detractors are usually in line with /v/'s consensus, there are other creators with much more unanimous support that's been going on for much longer (a sign of immunity against outside interference as in Toby's case where /v/ seemingly overnight went from hating furries and tumblr writing to thinking they're great actually when in Toby's games)
>>714413742Flushing one bath bomb won't do much which is why using bath bombs in the actual bath isn't an issue, but flushing a bunch of them will clog up the pipes. This is much worse if the house has an actual septic tank, which is still common in small rural areas.