Thread 718661490

Which games are we waiting on, adventurebros?

Frogtranny and the Quest for the Noose (featuring discord trannies from the Discord series)

>>718661490 (OP)
nothing, my last hope is crimson desert
and I don't believe in koreans pulling an immersive fantasy story

>bannerlord nord expansion (once modders have caught up)
>KCD2 once the 2nd & 3rd DLCs get added
>LoTF2 next year

My hope for adventure feels has been permanently damaged ever since Dragon's Dogma 2 released in such a bare bones state. They had the chance to create what could've been the ultimate adventure feels game and they just didn't even try.

>>718661490 (OP)
Call of Saregnar

>>718661490 (OP)
Expedition 33

>>718661490 (OP)
new Genshin zone in a few weeks
as for real games? I can't think of anything. I've never been this meh about the vidya future before. On the other hand, there's tons of older games to check out.

>>718661736
The world will probably be pretty good but like you said the story is guaranteed to be ass.

>>718661490 (OP)
Getting frogposters banned.

>>718661490 (OP)
What are some important aspects to capturing the adventure feel in your opinion?
I want to replicate it in my game, but I am finding it a hard thing to break down.
As I have observed, the basic components of an RPG are travelling to a location, levelling, looting, getting stronger and returning to town to stock up and the art is to to mask these somehow to feel more like a real adventure than justa simple game of numbers, but I don't know how.

>>718663216
for me, a world needs to feel (mechanically) alive. There needs to be things happening regardless of the players actions, and they should be based on the NPCs/creatures AI and not just scripted events that trigger because the player enters an area.

>>718663386
You just mean NPCs actually having a life and shopkeepers not staying at their shop 24/7 or do you mean actually dynamic events like having territories taken by warring factions, economies adapting, characters dieing and NPC adventurers plundering dungeons and levelling up, all without the players influence? Last would be impossible for a solo dev or a small studio.

>>718663594
that would depend on the actual game, but in general the more the better. On your last comment, for Oblivion (2006) a modder added adventure NPCs who would actually head out and dungeon raid for real just like the player can, regardless of what you were actually doing. They would even loot chests and enemies. Some would be aggressive towards you, while some would be friendly and din't mind you yourself taking loot.

>>718661490 (OP)
A true adventure game will never exist

>>718664058
My probblem is that this would deplete from gameplay if the NPCs would loot the locations before the player could.

If you think about it, a fantasy world with Adventuring Guilds wouldn't be sustainable, unless adventurers are a very rare, dangerous and highly prestigious job that only 5-10 people per country perform, because otherwise all the ruins, caverns, loot and ancient treasure would be picked clean in a few decades and then nothing would be left. This is where you would need a bit of unrealistic game design magic like respawning the dungeons, which I personally would justify by there being many millions of treasure filled dungeons, remenants of an ancient civilisation that spanned the entire world but they disappear and reappear because of frequent continential shifts and volcanic activity. However, this would still be pretty unrealistic and bullshit.

>>718661490 (OP)
Play Dragon's Dogma 2 with difficulty mods.
Literally nothing else compares with it. No other game ever gave me the "Going on an adventure" feel like DD2 did.

>>718663216
It's actually hard to say. The game where I felt that feeling of adventure the most was Lineage 2. It was an absolute grindfest, but you had total freedom over where you wanted to go and what you wanted to do.
No (or almost no) invisible walls, no limit on PKing/PvP, you had to trade player-to-player to actually get the high-level stuff.

For solo games, I think linear games work better. I had that feel in the "old" JRPGs, like FF9 or Tales of Symphonia. I think an overworld gives a better feeling of adventure than an openworld. Though, I guess the best adventure game was Windwaker.

>>718664545
I don't know, man. What you're describing sounds cool. I wouldn't mind finding loot stolen in a dungeon if there was a way to figure out who was there. Like clues pertaining to a specific adventurer or maybe a secret stash. You could have rivals or informants within the guild.

>>718661490 (OP)
>Which games are we waiting on, adventurebros?
Dragon's Dogma 2. Now and forever.

For me personally?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1638160/Altheia_The_Wrath_of_Aferi/
But nobody knows it

>>718661574
schyzo

>>718664578
>No other game ever gave me the "Going on an adventure" feel like DD2 did.
Why? What makes it superiorly adventurous?

>>718667882
it's a blast bro, killing the same 5 enemies that respawn in the exact same locations over and over spammed every 20 meters is the height of adventure bro it's such a blast

>>718667882
I'm also curious about this game. Also do I need to play the first one?

>>718661574
>"trannies touched a thing now I can't use it"
faggot. you're the kind of sissy who stopped liking New Vegas when troons said they liked it, aren't you? weak-willed little cuck crying and getting bullied by mentally ill losers. rope.

>>718661490 (OP)

I’m finally playing Baldur’s Gate 2 and loving it. High adventure.

>>718662063

Do we know what the KCD2 DLC will entail? I would love another city, like Prague, but that might be wishful thinking.

>>718664578

Is DD2 worth? I skipped because of all the hate it got on release but willing to try if it’s been fixed since.

>>718667882
[All this is assuming you have hardmods installed]
going on an adventure to nowhere the getting side-tracked through a cave system that takes you to a completely new area
You can't really get lost, but you can very much get stranded which makes "going out" an ordeal you have to prepare for.
Camping Kits are heavy as fuck, so either you or a pawn have to carry it. Y
BUT you can lose access to your camping kits if the pawns die so it's a balance that's fun to strike.
Carry Limits can be really tight so you have to be managing your gear and weight before and during every outing.
I love selecting the hired Pawns (feels like hiring adventures), making sure their kits fit my needs, and rekitting my pawn to make sure she gets hired too.
The combat is fun and very scary when you're fighting beefed up enemies and shit like Goreharpies. It turns into more "swashbuckling" with you knocking enemies down, throwing crates, or throwing them into each other.

There literally isn't any other game that does it like this.

>>718661736
Why can't Asian people make a compelling story or dialogue that appeals to people that aren't severely mentally impaired?

>>718661736
>crimson desert
Is that the Black Desert looking MMO/Game that was shown maybe 5+ years ago? It'll be shit like they always are, and even the trailer looked far too good to be real, it's always bullshit.

I'm thinking of buying enshrouded, but I'm not sure if it's fun solo.

>>718669020
>Is DD2 worth?
It's a solid game on it's own, just not the game DD fans wanted. The only real issue is performance, clearly the RE engine can't handle open world.

>>718667882
Don't listen to this retard, anyone defending DD2 is mentally infirm / gay. Go play the original.

>>718664578
>retarded behavior
>color-less
>no lolis

yeah right

Sean will descend from the clouds and take us in his loving embrace, like he did to the space game bros. We only have to wait a little longer.

Icewind Dale

>>718662468
Based. I've been looking forward to this since the first demo years back. Also waiting on the full release of Swordhaven.

>>718661736
>>718669081
even western fantasy [vidya] stories are now pure ass, especially the dialogue

is there anything worth going into that I'm not aware of? or releasing soon™

>>718662468
>Call of Saregnar
Why does this remind me so much of Betrayal and Return to Krondor? Little blast from my childhood memories and I never even completed either of them. Might actually download them.

>>718669957
Ignore me, just checked gameplay etc and it's literally a homage

>>718669020
The second KCD2 DLC is about smithing and rebuilding an old forge. The 3rd is related to a church mystery.

DD2 is fine if you get it for $40 or less. It objectively had nowhere near enough content to justify the $70 launch price. Terrible enemy variety, no replayable end-game loop, very few rewards for exploration as you just buy most of the best gear in shops, static enemy spawns spammed everywhere etc. It's like they made a really good combat system, and then put absolutely no effort into the rest of the game in which the combat system is used.

>>718669051
>There literally isn't any other game that does it like this.
>literally just describes rust

>>718670108
>It's like they made a really good combat system, and then put absolutely no effort into the rest of the game in which the combat system is used.
as far as combat its worse than DD1. you cant even equip as many skills. DD2 is a genuine downgrade from 1 in every single metric except for graphics, and you pay a hefty price for those graphics and it ends up not being worth it.

>>718670364
The ragdoll physics in 2 are a huge step over 1, and the charge attacks and contextual finishers are a huge improvement.

Danger and Mystery makes adventure. I need help figuring out if there is a third pillar to it, thank you for you attention.

>>718671021
>The ragdoll physics in 2 are a huge step over 1

A huge step of shit because they fucking suck and the RE Engine is absolutely not appropriate for the action DD is supposed to provide. Nobody plays DD to stumble over their own feet.

>>718671157
>A huge step of shit because they fucking suck and the RE Engine is absolutely not appropriate for the action DD is supposed to provide
You're an idiot shitposter who argues about engines and mechanics you don't understand, and you don't even understand which aspects of 2 I was praising. Everything you say is inherently worthless.

>>718671547
You're the one defending DD2 buddy, the definition of a worthless game. Reevaluate yourself.

>>718671028
Navigation. Ideally I see something off in the distance, then I need to navigate and fight my way there while thinking about my route in it and through it. More environmental interactivity is better.

>>718671662
DD2 is the most disappointing game I've played and after finishing it once, I put it down forever. I'm not defending it as a game. I'm praising some individual mechanics it has that you're too fucking stupid to understand, because like every tech illiterate monkey you just inanely shitpost about game engines that have nothing to do with what's being talked about.

>>718661490 (OP)
>>718661574
I'm so glad almost all of you came to your senses and stopped posting pepe and wojak. It's rare to see them now. feels good man

>>718671797
Some individual mechanics that make for a demonstrably worse experience than what was in the first game.

>>718671689
That's mystery + danger.
>see something off in the distance
mystery
>navigate and fight my way there
danger, environment can also be the danger

>>718670271
Are you serious trying to pretend rust is any way comparable?
What the fuck is this connection even? it's like comparing Titan Fall 2 to Ninja Gaiden 2

>>718671835
that's apu not pepe, he has always been a central pillar of comfy/adventure feels threads

>>718670364
I tried replaying DD1 and couldn't be assed to get through the main story
I just loaded an old save that starts at BBI and played from there
I replayed DD2 no problem last month.

>>718671157
>>718671907
>RE Engine
Oh hey it's REngineschizo
Why don't you tell us how exactly an engine defines

>>718671907
That's good. Keep sidestepping to draw attention away fro. The fact that you're a tech illiterate monkey shitposting about the engine. Continue not talking about the specific mechanics I brought up, too.

>>718671936
No it's not. The environment doesn't have to be dangerous for you to need to figure out how to move through it. It can literally just be route planning through terrain that isn't simply a straight shot. If you're going to be that reductive, you can call everything "exploration" and be done with it.

>>718673140
The danger being of possibly not finding a way through. Excuse me but if your pathfinding in your navigation game is that easy that there is no danger to it then it's not adventurous.

>>718673606
>The danger being of possibly not finding a way through.
This is some of the stupidest reduction I've ever read. Might as well call mystery the danger of not finding anything new.

>>718674949
Mystery is not knowing and has nothing to do with finding anything or not.
Anon tells us journeying to a location is an ingredient of adventure, no that is the adventure. Adventure is not an ingredient of adventure and i told him as much. I was talking about what his Navigation was made of.

>>718675968
Are you an ESL? That would explain the incoherence and objectively incorrect arbitrary definitions and semantics.

>>718673003
The executions don't add or detract anything over the original game, and the player ragdolls and physics are entertaining for about five minutes before it gets tiresome how ridiculously flimsy your character feels

>>718676535
Worry about your own argument instead. It's easy to understand my point and i've evidently dug deeper into the subject of adventure than you foggies.

>>718672248
>le comfy

another reddit buzzword

>>718677138
>The executions don't add or detract anything over the original game,
Wrong.
>the player ragdolls and physics are entertaining for about five minutes before it gets tiresome how ridiculously flimsy your character feels
I was talking about ragdolling enemies when launching them instead of sending them on canned arcs when you launch them. You're an idiot, and no amount of pretending thats a pointless gimmick that doesn't affect gameplay will change that.

>>718661490 (OP)
>reddit normie frog
neck yourself

>>718677236
>It's easy to understand my point
You don't have a point. All you have is a bastardization of English.
>and i've evidently dug deeper into the subject of adventure than you foggies.
You being a rambling idiot who's ascribing incorrect meaning to words and concepts and trying to put things under umbrellas they don't belong under doesn't mean you've dug deeper. Your one man thought (I use that word loosely) experiment is worthless, and like every ESLmonkey, you're completely ignorant about the topic you're trying to argue. You don't know what adventure means and you don't know English. Trying to arbitrarily and incorrectly redefine words won't help.

>>718677562
Mystery and danger. Can't have an adventure game without those. Is there a 3rd thing?

I want a cold adventure. I want to trek through the snow with massive wooly coats, and a massive sword, with some party members complaining about the cold, but knowing we need to move forward to defeat the bad guy.

Also, what do you guys think of Octopath Traveler? Or Star Ocean R: First Departure.

>>718677937
Environmental navigation, which is distinct from the 2 things you mentioned, no matter how hard you try to bastardize English.

>>718661490 (OP)
No Rest for the Wicked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwmiqzW6gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjU0YTLvzD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpoMEYnvA5Q

>>718678561
What's the actual gameplay like? Is it a Diablo style ARPG?

>>718678561
I'm waiting for this to be finished, then I'm buying it. It seems great.

MODS = FAGGOTS

>>718678763
It's more like top down Elden Ring meets Path of Exile 2.
You got Skyrim like Action/Adventure/Rpg gameplay in the overworld, and then got mega dungeon like the Crucible.
Slow adventure-y type gameplay in early/mid game, and in high end game more like Monster Hunter x Diablo.
Also got crafting, professions, housing, Bounty Hunting, daily quests, gonna introduce classes, etc. etc

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkeNjXAzrZo

>>718661490 (OP)
Zelda
Always zelda
Gonna be nice to see what they come up with next but I do really want a classic game

>>718679114
I mean how are the controls and actual gameplay? Do you run and jump? Is it all just walking around dungeons? Are there towns and quests? Is it Diablo style looter/gem shit with +2% poison damage on rainy days against enemies with 3 or more blue eyes? etc.

>>718669220
>The only real issue is performance
Works fine on my machine (PS5)
Seems like a you issue.
The ACTUAL issue is it has zero level scaling and becomes a piece of piss after like level 30 or something like that that you are basically 1 shotting everything.

>>718679238
It's WASD, you can run, jump, climb, there are verticality a lot, mega dungeon got some rogue-lite elements, weapons and armor got way more impactful stats, like Ashes of War in Elden Ring, and you can rearrange stats/skills, there are stats like in Elden Ring Str/Dex/Fth/etc, but they also gonna introduce classes, etc etc. Way more impactful than +3% poison dmg

Kenshi 2. But I'm still having plenty of fun on Kenshi 1. Nothing hits harder than having the music hit while you're running around in the Great Desert carrying Emperor Tengu back to Blister Hill.

>>718679238
You can also play with positioning, there are traps, food cooking / prebuffing, environment usage, etc. Take a look at vid
>>718679114

>>718679331
So it's not a looter with tiered drops?

>>718663216
If skyrim is any indication : nature, sound-design and danger.

>>718661490 (OP)
my game ofc, it will take you on an adventure through multiple locations filled with enemies, dungeons and stuff
>https://tintoconcasera.itch.io/project-goblin

>>718671028
Nature! Wilderness! Unknown landscapes!

>>718679717
Gear and weapons have levels as too does enemies but if you know how DD2 works, it has one save file no save scumming and infinite NG+ but enemies dont scale with you so when you reach a certain level you are just 1 shotting all the enemies and it becomes a complete no challenge.
Would not be so bad if you could just start another playthrough, which you can of course, at the sacrifice of loosing your old save.
It is retarded

>>718661490 (OP)
This game to get finished I suppose. I haven't kept up to date with RPGS. Maybe I'll pick up Monomyth. I've yet to try out the Gothic remake demo, so I'll be getting around to that eventually.

>>718679529
That screenshot looks better than I remember Kenshi looking.
What graphics mod/enb are you using?

>>718680137
>Nature! Wilderness!
Danger
>Unknown landscapes!
Mystery

>>718678302
That's a challenge among other challenges a player can face. If a player gets lost then he got defeated by an enemy called the environment, he lost at navigation.
The traversal is spurred by mystery then dangers happen.

>>718680216
play Thief if you haven't. For a stealth game it has a lot of adventuring.

>>718680216
>Monomyth
Don't do it. That game is very woke.

>>718680243
I'm using a modpack ("collection") from the steam workshop called "Vanilla Remastered (for my WIFE)", but I think the main graphics mods are Mood Shadows, Mood Weather, Mood Lighting, Mood Waves and Foliage and Stone Total Rework.
I also have "colorful" turned on in the graphics settings. All the other effects are turned off, I feel like they make the game look a bit worse, some of them were on by default.

But the game isn't that great looking in most areas, the Great Desert has a nice view of the sky and the sand has a nice color, perhaps that's why you remember it being uglier.

>>718671028
Vistas.

>>718680046
Unless there's at least 1 cute girl I am not playing your game.

>>718661490 (OP)
Right now it's Valheim with the bros (dedicated server, obviously)

>>718680046
cute
best of luck, dev-Anon!

>>718680046
This game is actually publicly available? Nice!
I have been seeing this a few times but I always thought you can't play this.

>>718680827
Thanks for the lengthy write-up anon, appreciate it.
Been meaning to do another another run but now I just might have to.

>>718681167
there'll be at least a few, plus monsters with tits like harpies, gorgons and the like
>>718681402
thanks!
>>718681707
demo is still not out, but I hope to release one before the end of the year
>>718679149
it's sad to think that we might not get any more classic 3D Zelda games, there's really nothing else like it

>>718680912
Interesting but:
Can adventures be had through underground hallways?
Can adventure happen in a familiar, mundane setting?
I'd say yes and yes. Crime thrillers are somewhat adventurous using plot and dungeon crawls are a staple of the genre. Monster, door, treasure, bare minimum. With the door being the mysterious element. Is the treasure necessary for adventure?

>>718682136
The reason no one makes games like "classic" 3D Zelda is that they suck amd are offensively boring.

>>718682136
>demo is still not out, but I hope to release one before the end of the year
Sucks!
Still put on my backlog list. I want to play this.

>>718679709
Gear and skills look a little too close to MMO/Diablo style, but the movement and combat look good. I'll try it when it actually releases.

>>718682237
Treasure is mysterious as well.

>>718682237
>Can adventures be had through underground hallways?
Hollow Knight sure felt like an adventure to me. Exploration, getting lost, discovery and being able to reach beyond what you expected to be there since that bug nest is fucking deep. Kind of similar feel to taking that elevator in Elden Ring that takes you to the underground area.
>Can adventure happen in a familiar, mundane setting?
Kingdom Come 2 felt like an adventure as well, but not as much because of exploration and discovery of places, but exploration and discovery of people and their history. The game having some of the best side-quests in RPGs sure helped a lot.
>>718682323
glad to read that anon, I'll try to not disappoint.

>>718682237
Just danger and mystery doesn't really feel like a complete adventure. You also need the occasional slow and moody to pace it.

>>718663216
Scripted events can't all happen identically if the player traverses an area more than once for any reason. Either there needs to be some randomization in events, so that they'll see different things happen every time they pass through a region (within limits of course), or once a scripted event 'finishes' it is done and won't happen again or not for a long time IRL.
Elden Ring has these caravans that tow around useful loot and they're surrounded by guards that you have to take down. Usually starting somewhere distant and heading towards a major area. Sounds great.
The issue is that they respawn every time you reload an area, even after you cleared it once, and they take the same path every time.
What went from something that made the world feel alive, becomes something that makes it feel more dead, because repetition kills the believability.

For an adventure game where players will reuse the same space, that is something that you have to account for.
If your game is very linear, and backtracking or milling about a specific location is not common, this is not a worry.

>>718682614
Maybe vistas can be people, the vista of their psychology.

>>718682864
game had some very nice vistas indeed, loved uncuvering the psychology of some of those NPCs

>>718661490 (OP)
Blood of the Dawnwalker
Fatekeeper
Crimson Capes
The Holy Fool
Alkahest
The Big Catch
Nazralath: The Fallen World (devs most likely abandoned this; no notable new updates)

>>718683115
BOOBA

>>718683391
that's some beautiful art

>>718682821
I think so too! My theory of adventure is missing a piece.
The downtimes work in tandem with the dangers to enhance one another in contrast. All the most adventurous games use this combination.
Going home after an adventure, leaving home on an adventure.
I don't want to rest my weight upon that hero's journey and i think a simpler recipe can be devised. Something useful for videogames and their limitations.
It would also help Anons in these threads to understand what adventure even is.

>>718661490 (OP)
What do you guys think of Outward? Is it worth playing solo? It seems very heavily designed to be played co-op but I just don't have a set up for co-op on my PC, my desk is not in a good location for two people.

>>718684070
Worth playing but very difficult.
Kinda like Dark SOuls but instead of no death penalty, you get a brutal death penalty.

For the first quest after the tutorial, I would just suggest using a guide because that quest in specific is utter fucking bullshit.

>>718661490 (OP)
Nothing. Maybe the Gothic remake.

>>718681867
Glad to hear it. I just recently came back to it after a 4 year break myself. The vanilla+ style mods really do improve it significantly. Been having a blast with "The Holy Crusade", mod that lets the Holy Nation actually occupy neighbouring settlements, great if you're a wholesome Okranite believer such as myself.

Been playing Fountains and it's a pretty sweet nod to A Link to the Past. You unlock a few gadgets that help you reach certain places across the map. It's pretty difficult but the world design, gameplay, and atmosphere make up for it.

>>718683993
How about serenity?

>>718684070
It's definitely best played in co-op, but its a fine singleplayer game. I bought the game for myself and my friend when it was on sale so we didn't need to share a screen. It is absolutely bullshit and it is unironically unfair, but it is pretty fun and has some decent adventuring. I recommend watching sseth's review of it if you haven't already.

>>718684361
>Fountains
watching some trailers and it sure reminds me of Hyper Light Drifter. Will check it out, ty!

The Legend of Bump

>>718661490 (OP)
Black Soul 1 gave me a sense of adventure in a jrpg I havent felt in a very long time and apparently Black Soul 2 is 3x longer. I could play it now but I want to decompress after 100%-ing it so waiting for the official Steam release date is perfect.

>>718684402
Rogueligkfuck, they play on the safety/danger combo like no other types of games. Despite the randomness of the genre desperately trying to keep the mystery intact for as long as possible.
The mystery of the levels and mechanics fade yet the games keep on being played from the sheer chemical reaction of departing from home (where the character is created or equipped) and into the fray for as long as possible then back home to safety for a new set of preparations.

Serenity should be able to react with mystery at a similar potency but i can't picture examples of it happening. How can it be more than an enhancing atom within the danger molecule?

The contents of my ass are boundless. It roars of fates consumed and whispers of tiny gods, listen closely FOOL. Sip of its blood.

>>718664578
Somehow you made the same mistake of putting "2" after "Dragons Dogma" twice. Crazy innit?
But yeah, DD is my go to adventure game.

>>718689979
ikwya