Thread 719977383

I've beaten hundreds of tough action games and platformers, this is tougher than all of them. If Mega Man is a 5 in difficulty, Castlevania is a 6, Hollow Knight is a 7, Elden Ring is a 9, this is about a 9.75.

The biggest difference is something like Elden Ring has short runbacks, plenty of cheese strategies, co-op summons, and powerfarming. Very few people would be able to beat the hardest bosses without those.

Silksong has none of that. You basically just bash your head against the wall until you finally are able to win

git gud

>>719977512
Fromniggers and HollowKniggers and their consequences have been a disaster for the gaming industry

what tool is your guys favorite? i haven't experimented much, but i've been using the boomerang and javelin.

>>719977618
Go play some farm simulator if you can't handle the game

>Steam reviews started at 97%
>already dropped to 93%
>the global rating is even way lower (almost sub-80%)
JUST

>>719977383 (OP)
I'm currwntly playing Hollow Knigh and having a good time, hopefully by the time I play Silksong the game is more balanced, because hearing about all the obnoxious ways the game punishes you makes me believe Team Cherry didn't even understood their first game, Hollow Knight is not difficult at all, it's just good exploration and environments with tidy simple but fun combat

>Elden Ring
>a 9 on the difficulty scale
bro wtf are you smoking, it's like a 6 at most.

Pro tip: To defeat enemies, hit them while you avoid getting hit yourself.

>>719977383 (OP)
I hope Team Cherry makes the DLCs even harder. They're in a unique position in the fact that they're a small team with "Fuck You Money". At this point they're already set for life and are just doing this for fun.

>>719978058
>Elden Ring has short runbacks, plenty of cheese strategies, co-op summons, and powerfarming. Very few people would be able to beat the hardest bosses without those.
You played like an absolute coddled shitter which is why it was easy.

You say it's a 6 but can't even name 10 harder games

>>719977383 (OP)
wtf they put me into the game and didn't tell me

>>719977383 (OP)
>You basically just bash your head against the wall until you finally are able to win
Just play a little slower. You've got all the time in the world and you take it away by committing to something immediately.
>>719977847
It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. The most vocal posters are also below average. The runbacks are obnoxious though. I'll give them that.

>>719977383 (OP)
why havent you done it yet?

>>719978998
Has anyone?

>>719978998
I'm not good enough to manage it in a reasonable amount of time and I play like an aggressive retard so I die a lot.

>>719977618
It is not even about the difficulty. The game is just not fun. It is not fun. In Hollow Knight each and every area has a unique ambience, lore and story behind it and it all connects together like a piece for the puzzle. You get attached to the characters, you get attached to every little detail. This game has no interesting characters. There is not a single area in the game that can surpass the vibe of even Greenpath, let alone White Palace. The progression is so difficult. They put the fucking double jump (which was excessively needed) on the peak of a late game area, when all that is left is just 5% of the story. Its tedious.

Challenge does not equate fun.

>>719977383 (OP)
Holy shit you fucking normalfag.
You have a heal that takes less time to activate than hollow knight, it heals 3 total masks, and you can fucking use it in the goddamn air.

you
are
a
failure

>hurr durr watch me bash my head into the wall
There is fucking NOTHING in that head of yours but mush.

>>719977383 (OP)
>Elden Ring is a 9
fucking whaat?
Were you all just not using mimics and colossal swords?

>>719977383 (OP)
>If Mega Man is a 5 in difficulty, Castlevania is a 6, Hollow Knight is a 7, Elden Ring is a 9, this is about a 9.75.
I don't think you've ever played mega man if you think any of these games are harder than mega man, which in and of itself is not a very hard series.

>>719978998
these modes are pointless when people can just cheat in no dmg

>>719979630
>these enemies are pointless when people can just cheat in no dmg
>these bosses are pointless when people can just cheat in no dmg
>these obstacles are pointless when people can just cheat in no dmg
>this parkour is pointless when people can just cheat in flight
>this entire game is pointless when people can just cheat directly into the ending

>>719979385
Name 10 games harder than Silksong that you've beaten

>>719980087
not an argument because the base game mode is designed to be feasibly beaten. the steel soul mode is simply for autistic freaks, and devs should NEVER cater to them by even thinking about adding something like that into their game.

>>719980190
I beat this one 20+ years ago, everything else is child's play to me

Jesus fucking christ man. Okay I'm maybe 2 hours in but please tell me it gets harder cause I dont see any difference to HK. Otherwise you all got filtered hard.

>>719980409
Not even the hardest Shinobi game and far easier than Silksong

>>719978058
>he summoned

>>719977383 (OP)
>Elden Ring is a 9
Quality B8

>>719977383 (OP)
Now go play this lmao. Silksong is nothing

>>719978998
Now it's time to get CONSISTENTLY good.

>>719980409
>one game
>it's not even close to as hard as silksong
Kekaroo

>>719977383 (OP)
I'm not really struggling from difficulty, but the backtracking and annoying ass mob enemy design is making it tough for me to play for more than an hour or two before I need a break. I love the boss fights and Hornet's moveset but everything else sucks. Exploration is kinda fun until I have to backtrack the entire area.

I guess Ender Magnolia spoiled me rotten with at will map warping. Going back to HK's intentional "realistic exploration" with these awful tracking enemies is a slog. At least you can save+exit warp.

>>719977383 (OP)
you are a worthless retard that has no skill

>>719982415
Name 10 games you've beaten harder than Silksong

lol

>>719977383 (OP)
Order of Ecclesia is harder by far, you're just fucking bad at this game.

>>719982595
Hornet is... a hag?

>>719982902
She's probably ageless due to being half-void or whatever being the Pale King's daughter entails.

>>719982474
UFO 50
Yoiyami Dancers
Devil Daggers
La Mulana
Bat to the Heavens (haven't beat but is already harder at it's halfway mark)

>>719982474
Ys 1 Nightmare
Ys 2 Nightmare
Ys Ark Nightmare
Ys Oath Nightmare
Ys Origin Nightmare
I Wanna Be The Guy
Order of Ecclesia level 1 hard mode
La Mulana
Contra Hard Corps US version
Halo 2 legendary

There are fucking Terraria mods harder than Silksong. You're just a shitter.

>>719979281
all that text just to say you’re a shitter

the conductor arena in act 2 is absolute bullshit, you have a tiny arena and 2 guys spamming aoes, it is pure luck if you get a good pattern.

>>719983261
>can only name 4 games
>one is a tranny meme compilation where no individual game is close to as hard as Silksong
>one is an FPS with no win condition
>one is a puzzle game (the action/platformer elements certainly are nowhere near as difficult)
>never heard of the last one but it's probably bullshit as well judging by all your other picks
Nice job retard, you sure showed me

>>719977681
The wired trap. I get to cosplay as HK Hornet and it hits like 5-6 times

>>719977383 (OP)
Honestly I would be shocked if players didn't break the game entirely by the end of the week. The difficulty in the base game is mostly an illusion because the player base is temporarily ignorant. The enemy placements and behavior are designed to surprise and troll. I like how one anon put it. It's Dark Souls 2. Dark Souls 2 at launch was a ridiculously easy game with the right builds. It didn't feel that way at first because people were playing it like Dark Souls. You're not alone in having beat loads of difficult games. Yes, Silksong feels tough right now but it's not Dracula's Curse. It's not even comparable to the difficulty on something like Super Meat Boy. I mean I barely slept this week and I'm still able to play it. It's not that bad.

>>719983508
>Ys 1 Nightmare
Not even close
>Ys 2 Nightmare
Not even close
>Ys Ark Nightmare
Not even close
>Ys Oath Nightmare
Not even close
>Ys Origin Nightmare
Not even close
>I Wanna Be The Guy
meme romhack tier game created for the sole purpose of being comically difficult
>Order of Ecclesia level 1 hard mode
arbitrary challenge run. We're talking about just beating the game, not restricting yourself to no items or no deaths or whatever. By that logic, any game can be impossibly difficult
>La Mulana
Puzzle game
>Contra Hard Corps US version
I've literally done this with no deaths. No, lol. Not even remotely close you poser fag.
>Halo 2 legendary
Not even remotely close. Unless you mean LASO, but see above about arbitrary challenge runs

>>719977618
True. Soulsfatigue got me.

>>719977383 (OP)
HOLY FUCKING REDDIT SPACING!!!!!!
FUCK OFF!!!!
Also the fact Team Cherry dropped the hardest fucking game of the year, and it's pure kino is absolutely baller. Video games are truly back.

I'm 8 hours in. Is the game going to be this stingy with rosaries the entire time?

who designed this bs

>>719977383 (OP)
>>719977847
The game is absolutely meant to be played after Hollow Knight, it's as simple as that. It doesn't need to be 'more balanced', it's just pushing the limits even higher, and exists to be played after you've mastered the previous game, or at least beat P5.
It's refreshing to see something actually be a challenge in this year- even From's games have too many ways to cheese now for casuls. This is a proper next step up. Remember, it was meant to be DLC to Hollow knight, it's MEANT to be harder...

>>719984806
if you get ONE unlucky combo where both AOE or jump, you just die. and there is no space to move almost.

float? they will jump and hit you if you are unlucky.

>>719977383 (OP)
Question bros...
if I had a pirated HK (1) copy can I buy the game and port my savefile and get all the cheevos I've earned from the savefile I've already cleared???
Anyone else here have experience with this?

>>719977383 (OP)
Elden Ring is a 3, it's just dodge wait attack

>>719985115
This is most games ever made

>>719977809
Downside of fame is you can't have a niche, you have to appeal to the everyman because that's now 90% of your audience.
I've encountered 3 difficulty spikes already that would make someone not into metroidvanias ragequit forever.

>bash your head against the wall
Have you considered adjusting your strategy? If you were doing it right you wouldn't have died

>>719985214
But other games have gameplay, not just empty space -> enemy -> dodge wait attack

>>719985115
>elden ring
>hard
holy fucking fuck this board is cooked
Only a handful of bosses from base and dlc, no more than 5, are hard, and one of them (malenia) is total Bullshit design.
>>719985231
Incredibly based of them to basically hail mary with this game and actually push modern gamers to their limits. Everyone has gone too soft, and too safe with their "must appeal to masses" design.

>>719984806
see this? both guys can jump and swing, both spam AOEs. you cant even try to pogo, cause the jump will kill you if they jump and both can jump

insanely unfun fight and RNG based. it's a gauntlet to get to this last part and it's shit. you do all of that just to die in 10 seconds.

>>719981229
Are you really shilling your own game in a Silksong thread? I respect it desu

Please God I can't do this fucking route again. I've been fine with everything until this fucking route.

I'm liking the diagonal dive. It's something kinda different for 2D platformers.

>>719984806
nope, not going to play steel mode

>>719985745
just beat the boss and you won't have to make the run, judge only took me 3 tries

>>719985929(me)
I'm trans btw forgot to mention

>>719977383 (OP)
i used cheat engine to finish hollow knight. i'm not gonna buy silksong.

*blocks you're path*

>>719984242
OoE hard mode by itself is harder than Silksong. Contra Hard Corps is incomparably harder. Halo 2 legendary was infamously not playtested. You're full of shit because if you weren't you wouldn't be getting filtered by a game that's not hard.

>>719986408
nah It's Last Judge

can I play this if I haven't played Hollow Knight?

this jump is pissing me off

>>719986434
I've done Hard Corps deathless and Halo 1 legendary. Neither are close. Try actually beating Act 1, retard

>>719977383 (OP)
its incredible how bad people are at games

>>719986551
Halo 1 Legendary is nothing like 2's.

>>719986408
...just jump over him?????

>>719977383 (OP)
good, video games should be hard

>>719977383 (OP)
It's still easier than Rayman 1 tbqh, and I beat that game as a 5 year old

>>719986524
Hollow Knight is better
it makes no sense to play Silksong instead

>>719977383 (OP)
Okay, you can go back to writing your IGN articles now, faggot.

>>719986680
you misspelt "fun"

>>719985929
It's way better once you get used to it because it moves you the most and gives you height control, I feel sorry for people that don't have the brain capacity to use it.

No sitting allowed

I hate this game

>>719985745
I was enjoying the game, but this is bs

>>719986820
Silksong is better in just about every way

>>719986530
What is up here? I'm about to give up

>>719986408
>lava floor
>adds that take 4 hits with 2 needle upgrades
>adds that deal 2 masks of damage with a projectile
this fat faggot was bad enough before
>>719985929
based castlevania divekick enjoyer

>>719986820
I livestream so I want to play the popular game

>>719986551
Halo 2* legendary (well I've done both but that was a typo)

>>719986946
wtf how did you get 2 masks?
took me forever just to get 1 mask upgrade

>>719986865
easy games aren't fun
you're basically playing something for toddlers like nintendo games

>>719986904
Wrong.
you didn't have to grind the same few enemies over and over because most of them don't give you the currency to buy everything now (even benches)
+ bosses had loot

>>719987039
You don't need to grind. Act 2 gives you a shitload of rosaries, you barely need any in Act 1 at all.

come home, white man

How many of (you) quit before beating Christopher Robin back in 2013?
>>719983508
Good taste anon.

>>719987025
Silksong is entirely based on a Nintendo game thou

>>719987005
Buy one. Greymoor once you go back with wall climb has one. Bottom right of starting area has another once you get the music instrument.

>>719987093
Do bosses give loot in act 2?
Don't you need map, compass, benches in act 1?

Fuck sinners road man. Most cancer area in the game

>>719987148
I got all those, but anon in the pic has 2 extra masks, I only have 1 extra mask.
I found one mask piece in the citadel but that's it

>>719987139
nintendo games used to be more challenging

>>719987025
weak bait

>>719986904
idk, it just seems harder mostly

>>719987169
>compass
bro how early in the game are you that the compass is an issue to get?
get outta here

bro haha let's make white palace, and then triple the health of everything, add input reading, and make spikes do two damage instead of one teehee lol. Let's also make it every area in the game instead of post game content XD

>>719987304
Try to read slower, you missed a lot of words my dude. Use your finger if you need to.

>>719987379
How is the cost of a compass an issue?
I don't remember it costing much at all

>>719987426
Really, try reading the sentence again, nowhere it says the cost of a compass is an issue.

>>719977383 (OP)
There's been like one boss where the 2 damage felt justified. Everything else just hits really hard for the sake of it.

i really have zero problem with the game being challenging because combat and movement is so fun. i'm also good at videogames so i guess i don't get as frustrated as other people.

>>719987331
>add input reading
how to tell when someone doesnt pay attention to what enemies are doing

>>719987482
Why bring up the compass then?
You're not making any sense. We were discussing the cost of Act 1 items, retard.

>>719987331
>add input reading
any time i read this, i stop paying attention to your post. its the pleb tell.

>>719977383 (OP)
When does SS get hard?

>>719980458
It gets extremely tedious later. It is funny seeing people complain about the easy stuff while I fully know what comes next.

>>719987626
Maybe he's playing on Switch.

>using reaper
>in slab
>get equipment back
>its the basic bullshit i didn't use before
interesting. glad i have to fight with some shit i didn't use since i got the new crest

>>719987287
it's not bait tendie

>>719987697
When you reach Act 4

>>719982595
>>719982902
She means theres nobody that can last as long as her in bed

please stop replying to shitty bait.
i am currently using a function that allows me to post but not bump the thread

>>719982474
Ive 1cced Dodonpachi resurrection, Danmaku unlimited 3 and Touhou 11

>>719977681
Wired trap with poison is top

>>719987626
any enemy that has a hard +/- x/y coordinate from my hitbox is a fucking faggot and it's bad programming. The correct way is telling them that they need to maneuver to that coordinate, not INSTANTLY zip that way when I the player move. it's fucking retarded and this shit was solved on the NES

>>719983312
nice reddit image
post your 112% and p5 cheevo

>>719987934
where do I get poison?? I need that shit

>>719987125
It filtered millions

>>719977383 (OP)
Vote

Hardest Act 1 boss
https://strawpoll.com/PKgleYMxRZp

Best Act 1 Boss
https://strawpoll.com/kogjRWxP3g6

>>719977383 (OP)
>If Mega Man is a 5 in difficulty, Castlevania is a 6, Hollow Knight is a 7, Elden Ring is a 9
...then that means you have not played many very difficult games.

>>719988015
alchemist in the forest area quest

>>719977383 (OP)
unfortunately the modern soulsfag can't discern between challenging and tedious. This, much like every other game on the market, succeeds from having the best aspects of a Metroidvania, while highlighting the worst parts of your average rollslop

>>719988124
act 1 or 2? where the fuck is the forest?

>>719977681
For me, it's boomerang + poison
absolutely shreds through enemies, even in the mid-game (Act 2)

>>719988119
Post 10 games you've beat harder than Silksong

im convinced they didnt actually test the gauntlet fights in the citadel.

>>719987824
When is that?
t. 5 hours on act 1

>The gauntlet with rising lava
Actual cock and ball torture, just to get a mask shard.

>>719988228
act 1, what's the furthest area you got to?

>>719986506
That fight is easy, because it doesn't spawn a boatload of ads to harass you.

>>719982474
demon souls
dark souls
dark souls 2
dark souls 3
sekiro
elden ring
shadow tower abyss
armored core 6
japanese rail simulator

Game definitely assumes you already doing speedruns of pantheon 4/5 for years I guess

>>719988250
You too scared to reply to >>719987913 ??
Hollow shitters when they see actual hard games

>>719977847
its a big difficulty spike from hollow knight
i think you are expected to finish it 100% before even trying this game

im sure ill be ok

>>719984242
>meme romhack tier game created for the sole purpose of being comically difficult
Filtered, git gud, seethe, etc

>>719988436
i think it just assumes you're not a retard

>>719988471
you wont be
t. 63/63

>>719987913
>all babby's first shitclears
>with misses
>no scoring
Fuck off poser retard

>>719988363
i'm in act 2, so I have cleared all of the first one. do you mean the quest in shellwood where you're looking for a lost person?

the problem isnt that its challenging. its that its tedious. i enjoy having to overcome a challenge, but i would rather be able to start over right away at it.

>>719988634
You're the poser.

>>719988250
Did you even read my post?
I did not mention Silksong.
I did not judge Silksong.
I have not played Silksong.
But I have played those others and I would not rank them that high.
ER is never a 9 though, more like a real 7. I rank all three Dark Souls higher in difficulty than Elden Ring, e.g. Not saying DaS 2 is in any way as good as the rest, just saying it's more difficult (for mostly all the wrong reasons). Obviously DeS is piss easy in comparison.
Mega Man I would probably bump up to a 6.
"Castlevania" depends on which one, but 5~6 is probably adequate.
HK a 7 seems a tad bit high. Cuphead, Super Meat Boy or even Celeste with the B-side thingies are all more difficulty than HK.
Nioh 1 & 2 are also somewhere up there as a 7 or 8.

There you go, some food for thoughts, what do you think?

>>719988071
>phantom isn't on the list
im not voting

>>719988640
go to circle 1
if that's not the place it MAY be circle 2
i actually dont remember 100% but it's one of these
it's a different quest than the courier

>>719988634
Still leagues harder than a 2D soulslike, Shart song

>>719988719
phantom is in act 1?
Where?

>>719988502
wait till you get to this unbalanced piece of shit, you LITERALLY need good rng to not get AOEd by the 2 guys who spam circle shape aoes, and also jump.

>4 mask shards to upgrade your health once
>you go from dying in 3 hits to dying in 3 hits against bosses
very cool

>>719982902
She's an immortal demigoddess, bro. It doesn't get fresher than that.

>>719988772
Use your spell you monkey.

>>719977383 (OP)
Yep

>>719983508
>Ys Nightmare
>hard
don't lie to yourself. I hate Fromslop and clear Ys games on Nightmare first.

>>719988817
it doesnt stun, circle aoe or spear. also, you will need to heal cause you die in 2 hits.

>>719982474
Mazinwars
Ninja Gaiden (xbox)
Shinobi I to II
Red Alert 2
Shadow of Erdtree
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Cool Spot
Driver
That Winnie the Po baseball game

>>719977618
From saved the fucking industry from 100% shitter catering to (you)

>>719977383 (OP)
if i send Team Cherry some feedback from their Contact Us form on their website, will they read it?
I sent them some technical/UX feedback and complimented them on making a game that feels hard but fair, and i want to be sure they'll take it to heart because my technical feedback and suggestions are really fucking good

>>719988762
secret wall in bilewater that leads to the mist. phantom is at the end of it. its an alternate way to enter act 2 if you want to skip the bell quest and the last judge

>>719977383 (OP)
Throwing weapons.

>>719988942
out of all the posts that I have read since release, this might be the dumbest one

>>719988578
admittedly, i wasn't good enough to beat all pantheons

and i had to google the mushroom riddle, that shits impossible.

>>719988867
The execution barrier is objectively higher than Hollow Knight or Silksong's in any of those games.

>>719985745
You can skip it, he's an optional boss.

>>719988831
casualtroons seething and shidding

>>719977383 (OP)
Did you people not play HK or something? This game is easy if you know how the game's generally play. I don't get all the crying.

>>719988979
where should i give them this feedback then

>>719979281
Stick to shit like expedition 33

>>719989001
that how you call it? "Difficulty without having to learn the boss first, instead your reactions are tested"?

hardest encounter in the game for me by a mile so far. i've one shot every boss including the ant guard that was supposed to send the player on a detour to get the dash before getting it, but died four times trying to get through this tiny chokepoint with these two sons of bitches and even lost my rosaries/geo for the first time. i haven't had trouble anywhere else (yet).

>>719988690
I haven't played Elden Ring. I've only heard it's harder than Souls which is at least 8.5-9, especially if played without summons, cheese, or powerfarming

Silksong mogs all of them in difficulty though, and has no summons/cheese/powerfarming to make things easier like Souls.

>>719988780
Thats how Hollow knight way, drip feed micro upgrades across a 30 hour game. Your endgame bug is like twice as strong as a new game bug. Its that shitty Dark souls 3 overtuned balancing.
Meanwhile in a proper satisfying progression system like Bloodstained RoTN you are like 80 times stronger than an early game shitter

>>719988431
>shadow tower abyss
You know this is a troll post right?

>>719989149
having to learn the boss first, is that what you call it? dying to it over and over until you manage to avoid every single attack while wearing down it's invisible bloated hp bar

>>719989026
Isn't it because the chink localization was early MTL tier bad

>>719980598
>noooooo you're not supposed to use game mechanics

>>719977383 (OP)
I've played every single Metroid and Castlevania game in their respective series.
I would say this is by far the toughest traversal of any Metroidvania game. By far the most confusing of any of those games. Those games really aren't tough for their traversal elements. I would say Silksong is tougher than Castlevania Bloodlines for normal enemy combat, which I consider the toughest of the Castlevania series. I would rate this game tougher than Harmony of Dissonance for exploration.
Now looking outside of Metroid and Castlevania. It isn't as tough to traverse as La Mulana and the fights aren't as tough as Rabi Ribi.
Bossing is probably the easiest aspect of the game. Getting to the boss and generally keeping enough money to afford save points and travel points are the big reasons this game is tough.

>>719989026
Yes, though calling me a troon when I have a wife and a life and you are a genetic deadend who might as well cut his junk off with an axe, is rich. Hey though, this "life" you built is good at a 2d metrovania, so at least thats somthing?

>>719989223
Yes the point of this game and Hollow Knight is to actually get good yourself, not pretend you're getting good by getting higher stats

>>719989185
those are easy, you throw darts at them. wait until you encounter the flying grenade throwing guys who drop a grenade when you kill them.

what's the orange thing you have?

>>719989218
Ive soloed every souls game, this is way harder and much less fun.

>finally get out of the mist
guess im playing this shitty instrument for everything i see now just in case

>>719989296
yeah that's what I call the "Fromslop loop"
"Gamers" who hate their own time seem to like it when Dark Souls does it, ANY OTHER GAME makes them shit their pants, write ugly reviews and seethe and rage everywhere over the entire internet if a boss even DARES to kick your shit in a little.

>>719989358
Sounds like it missed the point of a Metroidvania once again.

you guys know you can use the rosary bead machines to save your rosaries right? you lose 20 rosaries each time doing it but you don't have to worry about losing a massive stash if you die trying to get back because hornet keeps the rosary strings in her inventory

>>719982474

KH2 (Lv.1 Critical)
Ninja Gaiden 1 (MN)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (PotM)
Ninja Gaiden 3 RE
DMC 3 (DMD)
Armored Core For Answer
AC6
Castlevania Order of Ecclesia
Metroid Dread (Dread Mode)
Lies of P

Hard =/= good
and tedious =/= hard

>>719989390
there are darts? also that's the soup container that the fleas gave me for finding 5 of their babies and riding to greymoor

>>719980190
I could name 10 NES games alone.

>>719989406
How bad was it? Im there now and after the judge runs, sinners path, and beast boss addslop, I kind of want to quit the game.
Last fun I had was the birds.

>>719977618
Unironically this. What happened to difficulty modes? Why is the default difficulty ass rape nigger now?

>>719983174
Demigod, not half void. That was the knight

>>719989316
i would say rabi ribi traversal on BEX is very difficult, the difference is you actually power up in that game. Late game areas in RR on a 0% run in BEX have enemies and bullets that are very fast and will one shot you. In this game you just never gain any power

>>719988681
>poser
>with 50+ difficulty no-miss arcade clears
Sure thing retard

>>719989479
yo where are the fleas at, I found like 2 of them
yeah there's darts it's your projectile weapon

>>719989585
i gotta double check all of the merchants - i haven't found a ranged weapon or attack ability yet. i found the smith but had no rosaries left to buy anything after opening up like 4 stagways back to back in the belfast region.

>>719977618
I love fromsoft and HK, issue is they keep pushing the games harder and harder for fans until they are no longer fun and you are stuck with SS and ER DLC.

>>719989185
Are you kidding me?
Jump attack once, it triggers the spikes, wait, jump attack twice, dead.

>>719989567
When you're jerking off Hollow Knight and Silksong's difficulty? Yeah you're a fucking poser.

>>719989585
>>719989657
OH and the fleas were hidden all over the place, usually behind breakable/hidden walls and a jumping puzzle/trap enemy gauntlet. roughly 1 in each zone ive gone to so far.

>>719989525
it's not bad after you figure out the butterfly gimmick but i'm pretty sure there was no fucking tell for that so i looped through the place a dozen times

>>719988942
it doesn't really feel that fair, I've seen players not realize there's a down attack, that it goes diagonal, and that you use it to bounce on roses. you would think there would be an arrow showing you where your down attack would go and a pop up tip for the first time you see a rose bud.

>>719989657
Where is the merchant that charges 30 to enter? I forgot his location and you cant Google it.

>>719989762
hornet's weapon is the arrow

>>719985745
Its not as hard as you're making it. Its really fast when you just float and skip one part by pogoing from shield guys head to bell and jump to platform rather than going from the first bell

>>719989459
Idk how you farm money. But, I tend to find 2 mobs that give at least 5-7 coins per kill and there are at least 2 mobs near a respawn point of mobs.
So that means you have to farm 4 more sets of mobs every time.
You need 80-120 per save point and you get about 20 per 4 resets. you need to kill the same 2 mobs 24x to have enough money to buy the next safe point. You won't really find any mobs that give more than 7 beads until ACT 2.

>>719987196
Just run from the roaches

>>719989717
>Are you kidding me?
i wish. the hardest part was just having solid ground to approach them. they patrol back and forth on that tiny platform and their spikes bloom to consume ~70-80% of it. ended up having to laboriously jump across the gap, attack once, and dash dart out over and over again until the bottom one died and gave me room to walk so i could upswing the higher one to death.

I’m awed by how much this game is filtering people. I don’t even consider myself that good at games and I’ve managed just fine. A few bosses have given me trouble but it’s never felt unfair. If you’re up against an obstacle that REALLY feels insurmountable, I guarantee that there’s something wrong with your loadout, playstyle, or brain.

>>719986946
Whats that skill and where did you get it?

>>719989791
Was that in Far Fields?

>>719989890
post achievements.

>>719989801
in a 3D game that would telegraph better..

>>719988741
It's circle 1

do you really need to do that whole climb for last judge each time?

>>719989791
i don't know if i've found that yet. the only merchant outside of bone bottom that ive found so far is the smith down in the deep docks and i dont think i remember her having a cover charge.

>>719989849
Between sinners road and the judge run it feels like a no combat stealth game. Great job team cherry!

>>719989791
wish I didn't die and lose hundreds of rosaries

>>719987497
This
Best movement I've seen so far, if not, then one of the best.
Once you get sprint, everything is a blast and when you get the upgraded sprint amulet thing, then shit gets really fun. You can combo run the shit out of some enemies with it

>>719989926
no it wouldn't because a 3D game renders on a 2D screen which creates spatial ambiguity

>>719989954
You can skip around the shield guys but I believe you do still have to do about 75% of it, including two of the annoying flying shooter bugs

>>719989848
farming is easy but not fun, equip the rosary magnet and just run through areas killing enemies, all the rosaries fly to your inventory

>>719989987
Use the movement in your favour. You don't really need to kill every enemy but you can do it with some kino combos if you use the speed correctly

>>719989925
Are you trying to imply that I’ve beaten the game? I haven’t. I’m exploring the whispering vaults right now. Not trying to pretend it’s easy, just observing that the people whining about how it’s unfair are shitters with anger management issues.
>most recent achievement
Tragedian.

>>719989890
just keep playing and you will be filtered by something guaranteed, people aren't making it up and you're not god's gamer gift to humanity

>>719989890
the game pretty much expects that you're not some kind of FOMO fag and actually played hollow knight. it asks for late game HK techniques like pogo'ing right out of the gate. new players without muscle memory for that are getting molested and it doesn't surprise me at all. i'm breezing through for the most part but that's because i did the path of pain like three months ago.

>>719990054
fuck

>>719988942
>if i send Team Cherry some feedback from their Contact Us form on their website, will they read it?
somebody please answer me i need them to hear my extremely high-quality QA feedback

>>719989967
Yea there is a 3rd merchant between the two and its driving me nuts! He's a dick you have to pay to enter and he says you need to lighten your load by giving him money.

>>719989791
Moss/lava mix area where you get the float cloak, with some kind of beast ramming against a gate to the right

>>719990030
brings me back to the arrow, just put a translucent arrow on screen, done.

>>719990126
Exactly, you can't post an achievement because you are just a shitposter.

>>719989728
Yes, Silksong is hard as shit. Try actually playing it

>>719990212
HER WEAPON IS ALREADY THE ARROW
YOU DON'T NEED A SECOND ARROW ON TOP OF THE ARROW

>>719989218
>Silksong mogs all of them in difficulty though, and has no summons/cheese/powerfarming to make things easier like Souls.
I don't care about Silksong, I had issue with the other ones being judged the way OP judged them.

>especially if played without summons, cheese, or powerfarming
And those options are exactly what makes ER easier, which I personally do not have any issue with, mind you.

>>719990185
I am team Cherry. I read your letter Anon. That was some quality feedback! Thank you.

is it just me, or do some of the bosses feel a bit rayman legends-y? fourth chorus and sister splinter come to mind

>>719990186
>>you have to pay to enter
>she doesn't know

>>719990207
Yes! Where is it though?

Devs are fucking crazy for making this as hard. They knew normies would flock to this because popular thing and they didn't give a fuck

>>719990281
yeah you do, better ui would show where she will zip to when you execute the manuever, makes it seamless to line up shots. stop being 'tarded

>>719990279
It's not. You're bad.

>>719989925
dilate

>>719990373
Where is it though?

GOT A SECOND SIMPLE KEY BROS
WHAT DO I USE IT ON? I remember there's a gate in lava docks and one in greymoor or someshit

>>719990439
and "better input" would let you design input combos that you execute with the press of a button

>>719990438
Yea, fuck the game but I do respect it. They each got 20m, what do they care. I think they made this game for themselves and their autistic tranny discord.
Speed runs on this will be impressive.

>>719990543
I used my on the Prince, he told me to go fuck myself.

>>719990557
not a bad idea but a bit extra

>>719990457
See >>719989567

Post clears shitter

>>719982474
Batrider, Hellsinker, Celeste, Dustforce, Spelunky 2, Sunlust, La Mulana, Mushihimesama, Umihara Kawase Shun, Battletoads

>>719990429
I think this was it.

>>719977383 (OP)
Castlevania and Mega Man are way harder than either HK or Silksong, what the fuck.

>>719990742
>Battletoads
I kneel. Still, that just proves you are not human.

>>719990725
>not a bad idea
yes it is, it's a terrible idea
the game already tells you which direction your down-attack will send you
you don't need another arrow, you need new glasses or adhd meds

>>719980409
am I the only one who used to pronounce the original game, shy-nobi? also ryu= rye-you

This game is not even in the same realm of difficulty as Lies of P DLC. No idea why normies are crying so much

>>719990783
100% Fucking thank you Anon! You are a gentleman and a scholar. This was driving me nuts! Can't believe I didnt notice that on my map.

I want to say it's hard because it feels that way to me, but then I see that over 20% of people have beaten Widow already which was very hard for me so it can't possibly be THAT hard and I'm just overestimating my abilities. Even more, only 16% of players have an extra life like me which means I even fought Widow with an advantage. Any thoughts on this? I say 20% is high because I expected this game to filter like 90% of people playing, it just felt that hard to me.

>>719978305
>You say it's a 6 but can't even name 10 harder games
Most IWBTG fangames are harder

>>719990742
Ask me how I know you groom children

>>719990952
Im finding it much harder than 3d souls slop. Its probably becuase many of us have thousands of hours in that well 2d games are niche. Not counting the Marios. HK, Celeste, and shovel knight.

Can some anons help me. I got too hammered last night and forgot my progression. Where do I go from here? Just tell me the map and direction.

Last major thing I did was beat Widow. I got the needle music shit, and wall jump+hover.

are these weaver areas after you get the instrument supposed to be tough areas or just extra secrets for goodies?

>>719991189
I always protect children, they are precious. I actually got in a fair bit of trouble for doing this with the jannies because I called out a crossdressing negro that was grooming people on steam via 4chan and they stalked me for like 6 months and I got harassed by mods nonstop.

>>719991339
Greymore or Shell forest. Both lead to unfun garbage. Where you need to go is where the game turned for me.

>>719991452
extra secrets

what do i get for doing this knife toss minigame? im stingy with my rosario still

>>719991339
There are doors you can open with that needle music shit
one is close, below bone bottom

>>719990891
you're retarded

>>719991540
you get extra rosarios if you beat the second phase of it. As long as you dont mess up a bunch you should come out positive. Just take all the time to aim and remember the pattern before you throw since there isn't a time limit. You only lose if you miss three times or step over the line

>>719977383 (OP)
I wonder how you would react if you played Nine Sols. You must want to just disintegrate immediately.

>constant path of pain, but with less save locations and more punishing falls
>bonus: shit economy
at least sinner's road might yield something interesting

>>719990740
I literally don't believe you've done what you said you have.

>>719990543
Don't use it for the worm tunnels above the starting town, that place had jack shit

>>719991759
>>constant path of pain
I'm ten hours in and I've yet to see anything remotely like that.

>>719991802
your wanderer crest?

>>719990742
>rattle off a bunch of dogshit shmups you've never cleared that are only hard if going for 1cc (equivalent of doing a no items, no death meme run for Silksong)
>rattle off a bunch of tranny games where you need to do some arbitrary ranking or requirement
We're talking about just baseline beating the game, not SSSSS-rank speedrun in some memeshit mode of Sesame Street

>Batrider
No-missed advance course. Still easier
>Hellsinker
Tranny game
>Celeste
Tranny game. Only harder for all strawberries meme shit
>Dustforce
Only harder for all SS-rank meme shit
>Spelunky 2
Tranny game. I 100%ed the first game and it was easier than Silksong.
>La Mulana
Puzzle game
>Mushihimesama
No-miss cleared original mode, easier than Silksong. Again, only harder for 1CC of the trollshit ultra mode for autists
>Umihara Kawase Shun
Not even close
>Battletoads
Harder per minute, but overall very short and easily learnable compared to Silksong.

>>719991873
I'm a reaper man

So are you guys liking it more or less than the first Hollow Knight?

>>719991954
a lot more

>>719991592
explain

>>719991917
Mushihime destroys Silksong. Legendary retard moment, you will be in textbooks for this

>>719991873
>>719991940
i only have the hunter and reaper so far but i really like the default hunter and kind of don't want to give it up. how many crests are there?

>>719991764
Why would I give a fuck if you don't believe me? That doesn't change anything and you're a random shitter anyways

Soo... Am I the only one who knows about Act 3?

>>719991954
A little less, I feel like it lacks the satisfaction most metroid-likes give with their backtracking and exploration because it mostly just rewards shit like rosaries and shard bundles which I don't give a fuck about.

The jig is up, guys. I shouldn't have fallen for your shitty bait when you spammed this board for hours when it came out. You all said it was a GOTY contender. And now you all realize how foolish you were. I was also a fool. Silksong is nothing compared to the greats of this genre. It pales in comparison to SOTN. Yes, it's "hard" (annoying), but most importantly, it's BORING. The entire world is flat and unenthusiastic. It's like the developers were making this game in their sleep. It has no soul. It might be a waste of $20, but most importantly, it's a waste of time. A single hour of SOTN gameplay has more soul than the entirety of this tripe.

Hopefully we can get some jannies to crack down on the shill posting next time a new game launches so we don't have people suckered in like this.

>>719991917
>rattle off a bunch of dogshit shmups you've never cleared that are only hard if going for 1cc
I just cleared mushi and I posted my batrider clear like 3 weeks ago. I've been going through all my old favorites to get up to speed again and I'm taking a serious crack at doj now, which will take quite some time. I really can't imagine how you'd find silksong difficult. Mushihimesama is a great game that anyone curious about learning shmups should play.

>>719992089
>mushihime
Nobody calls it this. People call it mushi you no clears poser faggot retard.

>>719992164
I wish I could refute you, but maybe you're right about a few things. Except Castlevania which sucks.

>>719992154
try getting past the tutorial little bro

>>719991954
Less. HK felt like it had a more gradual progression with a lot of cool upgrades along the way. SS so far has been a slog and every side path is just shards (worthless) or rosaries, which you still need to grind for to actually buy anything. I can’t believe it’s this undercooked after all that dev time

>>719992168
Mushi is baby retard's first clear. It's only hard for ultra

No-miss is tricky due to how rank works but that's mostly because I barely play bulletslops

>>719992338
I'm in act 2 and I still think I can count the shit that felt worth backtracking for on one hand

>>719992412
mhm, sure. I believe you.

good lord when do I get to upgrade the needle?

>>719992376
>Mushi is baby retard's first clear. It's only hard for ultra
Only the final boss is harder than original, otherwise the routing is more or less the same but with slow bullet curtains.

>>719992168
>that dogpoop score
Lmao shitter

And if you only did normal course of Batrider I might just die laughing

>>719992542
I did advance. With only a day of practice even. Reminder to play shorty-c, she's the best! :)

Whats the deal with the icon ive seen some people have right where the red is? People that are further behind than me seem to have it and I must have missed something important?

>>719992708
you mean people that have upgraded their silk reserve?

>>719985231
>difficulty spikes that would make someone not into metroidvanias rage quit forever

Based.
The past decade has taught us that gatekeeping things we like is not only good, it's necessary.

>>719979281
I literally came to /v/ just to find someone with a brain and a real opinion, thank you, god damn. I came across the guy from the announcement trailer who rides the little dog thing and he was in like a Demon Souls/DS2 ball-crush tower and I was like what the fuck did they do to this game, they fully abandoned the character of the first game in favor of bland high fantasy bullshit, you can even hear it in the generic “aaaaaaaaa” ass music, and every single area I’ve been in so far has way too much space and nothing to do aside from run from end to end and jump on a couple platforms, the excessive difficulty is really only a problem because the base gameplay is absolutely the only thing in this game to give a fuck about, so if you’re going to ratchet it up so high for everything everywhere then if I don’t think it’s a compelling challenge then why the fuck would I keep playing, every single thing in the game that’s not combat is dogshit, and then the combat is dogshit too

>>719992642
>it only took me a day of practice
I love when people say this retarded shit then have literally zero remotely difficult clears to their name.

Instead of trying to brag about how quick you tied your shoelaces, how about getting a single clear above toddler level, retard?

I didn't go with the flea caravan when they asked me to, and I forgot to talk to the shifty looking one. Did I miss anything of importance?

>>719977383 (OP)
holy fuck whats with all these pussy threads whining about it being hard? its not even the hardest metroidvania. god I hate hypersensitive zoomer cunts

>>719992936
Hmmm don't see any 1ccs attached to this post. There are lots of anons on 4chan that can clear harder shmups but not you I'd reckon

>>719979385
>you can use it in the goddamn air
U fuckign wot m8?

>>719977383 (OP)
>Elden Ring is a 9
elden ring is piss easy though? I beat most bosses first try.
maybe stick to dankey kang bananza faggot

>>719993148
See >>719989567 and >>719991917

Tranny shitter

Next brag about clearing 1-1 in Super Mario Bros

Have no horse in this race because I don't care about Hollowknight and most likely will never play SilkSong but its insane to start review bombing a game because you suck at it.

>>719993415
>lying on the internet

>>719993415
Uh oh, you're getting tilted now. Better make 20 more rpg threads and bump em all day.

>>719984861
i never did any of the godhome stuff
am i missing references about in in silksong?

>>719993469
My clears are public. I've posted them before.

I don't dance like a monkey for every retarded shitter on the internet

>>719977383 (OP)
>tfw missed the Choral Chambers map somehow
I just beat a boss and found the map for the next area. Still no map for the Choral Chambers.

>>719993578
Is 50+ arcade game clears even really impressive? When I played fighting games on fightcade I used to 1cc random games while I waited for matches in dead kusoge. A lot of the tech I know for things like ddsom and avp is stuff I learned from the Koreans on there, can't really find it on youtube.

>>719993841
>Is 50+ arcade game clears even really impressive?
Overdosing on copium there

No-miss clears, many mutli-loop and with scoring

>hollowfags actually think this shit is hard and not just tedious
redditshitters fanbase

the only 'problem' (subjective) with the difficulty of the game is everything hitting for two hearts. feels like the devs really overestimated how powerful the three heart heal was and overcompensated. something i find happening to myself a lot in SS that never happened in HK is dying by surprise: i'll get hit once, knocked back into lava or something, and be completely dead because both damage sources hit me for 2 hearts each and i was walking around with a tiny bit of health missing to efficiently use silk since you have to dump all of it to heal instead of incrementally like in HK. it's not the end of the world and the obvious solution is just to never get hit, but it doesn't feel quite right when you do. early game, that is.

>>719994031
You said you don't really play "bulletslop".

>>719977618
FromSoft is based, because combat is actually fun

Hollow Knight is ass because combat sucks.

>>719991954
lets just say: Silksong should have remained a DLC

This game is such fucking bullshit

>>719992525
after you get all the fleas they take you to a new area and you find the upgrader there, he gives you the first one for free

>>719985231
It's not a metroidvania it's an rpg

>>719991470
Why lie about something so retarded?

>>719994083
>the only 'problem' (subjective) with the difficulty of the game is everything hitting for two hearts
I think it's fine due to how easily you can remove yourself from a bad situation due to how strong dash is. In early game hollow knight it's not always easy to get away, but even in boss arenas here you can just quickly dash to the other side of the screen and I've yet to encounter anything that does like Radiance tier nonstop hammering. So it really only matters if you are just getting hit constantly.

>>719994087
Meaning shmups after the late 90s

>>719977383 (OP)
How can this side scroller be comparable to Eden Ring in difficulty?

>>719993063
the area the fleas take you to allow you to upgrade your weapon, but you can reach it via other means too

>>719994298
yeah leave out the part where you got to kill 2 bosses in the area before that happens

>>719990948
you're a fuckin retard

>>719994320
Oh I'm not lying. It's unfortunately a big problem on 4chan. You got grown ass men targeting depressed teens straight outta high school at best and they just manipulate then into drinking and doing drugs, and ultimately try to have a real life meet up with them. Fatlus kiddies are especially prone to getting abused because those kids are dumb and gay as hell.

>>719994083
100%
I think making everything do 2 damage was a last second decision they made, the heal for 3 masks seems like it was an overcompensation for the overcompensation

>>719980289
You don't have to do it know. You don't HAVE to autistically try to get every achievement in every game. Just play as long as you have fun and move on.

>>719994512
you should have assumed it so, this game is masochistic you knew what you signed up for

i dont get the hype, it's just an inferior SOTN. Is it cause it's on PC?

>>719994530
Uh huh. Surely you'll both post proof of this happening and proof you were targeted for it as you claimed, yes?

>>719977809
Whats the worth in having a high review from people who barely started the game ?

>>719994746
I'd prefer not to, but you're free to believe what you want!

>>719994383
It's much harder. I beat almost every ER boss on my first try shieldless and without summons or magic, while I have to take every trick in the book to not die in Silksong.

Furthermore? It's completely fair, unlike Elden Shit which is artificial difficulty stacked on top of artificial difficulty. My eyes are opened, and the pupil has become the master.

>>719994612
you had to tell him some assway to skip to that part why not just explain the rest

>>719994735
>i dont get the hype, it's just an inferior SOTN
Name one good boss fight in sotn

>>719989849
I would if it wasn't for the quest where you have to kill 10 lol
thank fuck I unlocked the bench from killing those two at the end of the road

>>719985929
I like it a lot but the startup delay makes it really hard to use in fast-paced bosses. It would feel much better to use without that. (Though I've noticed the Reaper down pogo also has a huge startup delay.) The tiny hitbox is kinda bs especially when trying to hit aerial enemies but not too bad.

>>719977847
>Hollow Knight is not difficult at all, it's just good exploration and environments with tidy simple but fun combat
This. Silksong isn't a sequel to HK, it's a sequel to the HK autism boss rush DLCs, which were by far a very niche thing that most people who enjoyed the game didn't really play much.

>>719994735
Symphony of the Night sucks, it's a masochistic Super Metroid is what it is.

>>719992164
>A single hour of SOTN gameplay has more soul than the entirety of this tripe.
SotN's INTRO alone has more soul than Hollow Knight and Silksong.

>>719994902
I didn't have the heart to tell him that the game intended to hold him upside down and give him swirlies while kicking him in the' nads a few dozen consecutive times.

>>719994836
>N-no... but dude, trust me!
Thanks for proving you're just full of shit and trying to look good for invisible asspats on 4chinz

>>719994403
are you talking about bellhart or a different area? cause i just got the needle upgrade from there before i remembered to talk to them

>>719992164
>>719995016
SOTN is all aesthetics. It falls flat in the gameplay department, where Silksong shines. SOTN has to be the easiest Castlevania ever made.

>>719977383 (OP)
>Elden Ring is a 9
God tier bait getting all these replies despite this being in your OP

>>719995165
yeah that's it

>>719992124
Yes, I just started the game

>>719994334
Unless you have a boner for a small collection of 2-alls, (not enough exist for 10, let alone 50+) most really challenging shmups are made after 2000. Otherwise it's mostly comparable with Batrider. Like if you can 1cc batrider you can 1cc garegga. It won't be easy and the routing will be more strict but you can.

>>719992164
i just watched some SOTN gameplay on youtube and it looks like fucking garbage LOL

>>719988071
Can I vote for the big ass ant guy and his flying fuckbuddy for hardest boss?

nowhere near as hard as any great shmup or romhacks

>>719995106
Yeah dude keep attacking me and screaming about troons on /v/ all day while shit like /trash/ exists. You're really purging the filth.

>>719979407
Mega Man Zero is the hardest game in the series and that's only like a 7. Classic Mega Man and especially Mega Man X are way easier.

How get double jump. Yes i did the mist no it didnt lead me to a double jump

>>719988071
I don't vote in polls because it's just surveying how many people are in a thread.

>>719995636
>you're free to believe what you want
>unless it's not blindly believing this retarded claim where I jerk myself off, then I'm being heckin attacked
This is getting embarrassing

>>719977383 (OP)
it is hard but a good part of the "difficulty" comes from the frustration of having to make a 10 minute run back every time you fail, if you're hit along the way from not paying attention youll just have to start the boss minus some health oh well, what's that you're also out of ammo for your tool? too bad you'll have to farm enemies for another 10 minutes now to restock. when games are clever and fair with their difficult i don't get mad but a lot of this seems like unneccesary bullshit. that enemy rush part in greymoor had me tearing my hair out

>>719995625
nobody cares about shmups or romhacks, shmups aren't games and romhacks are mostly kaizo bullshit

>>719995648
>Mega Man Zero
I think 3, 9, 11, X1, X2, and X6 are harder games to play than zero, the way I play them anyways. For example I do no upgrade runs in X1 because that is the quickest, and you're pretty much forced to take the upgrades you need anyways. (Dash and Buster) Don't really bother with health tanks. I think Zero is really straight forward routing wise, and the boss patterns are a bit too easy, a lot of them are recycled X bosses, and not even the good ones. Like the first boss you fight in Zero 1 is just a shitty ass colonel clone.

I have beaten the two citadel bosses, im missing the library one but i cant tell where to go?
any help?

>>719980458
Act 1 is a red herring, it isn't hard. Act 2 will put hair on your chest.

Bugfuckers will see this and cum with the force of a thousand suns.

>>719996096
anon this is a blue board you can't post porn

>>719995172
>SOTN has to be the easiest Castlevania ever made.
Thanks, I'm dropping Silksong and starting SOTN tonight. I always wanted to play it because I love Castlevania music and it's a classic.

Once again simpletons see complaints about tedium and mistake it for difficulty and their superiority complex flares up

>>719995984
None of those are even remotely close to as hard as Mega Man Zero, especially Mega Man X is a complete pushover.

Mega Man Zero is already harder than any other Mega Man game before its final gauntlet, and then the boss rush + final boss is like 20x harder than anything else in the game. At least the original, I think the collection made the save system way easier, unlimited continues, save states, and all that bullshit.

The ONLY way you could think Mega Man Zero is easier is if you just power-farmed for hours and hours to get all the best elf upgrades. I didn't use any elfs all game then finally on the final boss I cracked because it was so hard and used the only HP elf I could afford. Mega Man X is child's play in comparison.

Before I wasted 500 Rosebeads

Where should I absolutely use a small key?

>>719996205
once again shitters fail to realize that if they were actually skilled players they wouldn't be having all these complains about muh tedium muh poor design. Whether you realize it consciously or not, your lack of skill alone is what causes you to have issue with the game.

>>719977809
>My whole existence revolves around steam review %!
I bet you haven't played HK or even SS.

>>719992164
>Falling for the hype
Pathetic. Real niggas got pic relates.

>>719996280
Door to the left past that one mini boss is a waste.
Door in the deep docks leads to a new weapon i think
Another door later unlocks an npc that i havent seen since

why are there so many people having trouble with rosaries? i have never needed to grind rosaries in this game ever, and you have a chance to regain them if you die, i can't imagine actually fucking up on the way to get your shit back because that's when i slow the fuck down and play as carefully as possible. i can't be that much better than you guys

>>719996229
X1 with no upgrades is infinitely harder than any Zero game, and X2 is even harder than that. I don't know if you just keep continuing after you game over or what but I sure don't, thats a failed run. Addtionally, getting the speedrun cheevo in mm11 is very complicated routing, whereas a monkey could optimally clear zero. There are no hard bosses in ANY mega man game, at least 11 and ZX have super cool boss combos. Similiarly I don't see how HK has hard bosses either when they're all super straight forward.

>>719993462
Did you completely miss the entire Helldiver's 2 debacle?

>>719991954
I like it a lot, I love hornet as a protagonist, her moveset is great and the tools I've gotten so far are fun and fill different situations.
Soundtrack is great, especially for bosses. Some of the ambient tracks are a little too somber, like everyone is trying to fill the kingdom's edge spot.
The game is ball-bustingly hard, but that is my average experience for all metroidvanias.
Exploration is going a little too fast, I get the feeling you're meant to discover most locations quickly and move between them as you gain upgrades/get better.
Also, I reiterate, fuck the big ant dude with the little spear chugging nigger flying around like a fucking faggot

>>719991954
Lot less

>>719996280
>500
What were they thinking?

>>719996475
>with no upgrades
>speedrun cheevo
we're not talking about meme challenge runs you fucking retard. Honestly even then it probably still be easier, the only boss I can think of in X1 that has difficult to avoid damage is the first phase of the final boss.

Zero's bosses are far harder than anything in X1 and it's not even close.

>Similiarly I don't see how HK has hard bosses either when they're all super straight forward.
then post your P5 all bindings or fuck off retard subhuman

>>719977681
The traps are good.

>>719994913
The literal first boss, for starters.

seen a lot of people complain about the bounce jumping off of various flowers and balloons
crests change your downward attack so don't people realize that they could perhaps stop using the starting crest that is garbage for those jumps and take the wanderer crest instead since it has just a normal downward attack instead of a dive attack. it can be gotten really early on with no movement upgrades

>>719996475
>X1 with no upgrades is infinitely harder than any Zero game
going for at least an overall A-Rank in any of the Zero games is 100% harder

>>719996775
Silksong is just a Blasphemous rip-off.

>>719996330
Obviously, just some people concentrated on having sex, others owning the 2d indy world. This game is not for the 95% who have better things to do with their time. Thats the problem despite you being 100% correct.

>>719996475
>claims someone hasn't played Mega Man for putting it at 5 difficulty
>proceeds to say none of the bosses are hard and call one of the easiest games in the series the hardest game
what the fuck am I reading? Are you retarded?

Do you think Team Cherry will fix the game?

>>719996389
>door to the left is a waste
what does it give?

>>719996330
>if you just practice enough the poor game design doesn’t matter
No fucking shit retard, this is true for every game ever made you colossal faggot

fourth chorus is just a very simplified misbegotten amalgam from grime. one of my favorite bossfights (the grime boss, not this easy one)

Is it me or is almost every NPC a female?

>>719996710
>we're not talking about meme challenge runs you fucking retard
Mega man is a speed game. It's meant to be cleared quickly. The fastest way to clear X1 is to avoid all upgrades and health tanks. Even if we were to do a full 100% run, now again the routing becomes far more complicated than anything in zero. If you've never done it then how could you know? Perhaps you should try it, it's quite fun.

>>719996824
In some ways it does feel like it was inspired by blasphemous, surprisingly

>>719996915
There are people that have played for 30 hours and still stuck in act 1, and people who have played for 10 hours and already beat it. Skill issue

>>719996808
>Rank
This is how we get slop like gunvolt where random enemy placement replaces actual level design

>>719996932
>Mega man is a speed game. It's meant to be cleared quickly.
Anon, don't be a fucking retard. Speedrunning will always be extremely niche.

>>719996990
how the fuck do you beat it in 10 hours on your first playthrough?

>>719996932
No one is talking about speedrunning you retarded tranny freak. Clearly OP is not talking about speedrunning. ANY fucking game is hard when going for a WR speedrun. That's not what the discussion was or is.

What is this retarded fucking post? Speedtrannies are so fucking mentally ill and retarded, I swear.

>>719997010
Hey, you brought up an arbitrary restriction first.

Game is warming up to me. HK had the same problem, just really meh starts for a metroidvania.

Basically, every problem I have with Silksong can absolutely be fixed with updates. Just rebalance some stuff, maybe make a few runbacks less cancer. Remove some x2 damage hits(mostly tiny mobs in boss fights that can do it, and environmental hazards outside of bosses) Quest design is a bit weak but not bad.

>>719997038
>Speedrunning will always be extremely niche.
Games are meant to be replayed, and they're meant to be beaten harder than before. If you just limp through a mega man game in 2 hours you're not a fan of mega man games. That's not how people played those games when they came out.

>>719977681
Triple shot for the verticality
Javelin for peircing and range

>>719996932
>game is easy
>WELL GAME IS HARD IF YOU PLAY BLINDFOLDED WITH ONE FINGER WHILE HOPPING UP AND DOWN ON ONE FOOT
kys tranny

>>719994298
>>719994512
how many fleas and which bosses? I think I found 2 or 3 since the requested 5

>>719997132
Mega Man is a well designed game so it becomes more fun when you play it better. Gunvolt and zero are terribly designed games because they become awful when you play them better. It's like scoring adding an extra layer of depth to shmups. A shmup with a bad scoring system can't truly be a great one. In mega man we don't have score, so we measure our improvement by time.

>>719996862
It unlocks a shitty small and boarderline pointless area thats only reward is a mediocer blue charm THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO REFILL and to top it off you can access that same area from a different enterance, hell you could probably do it right now if you have wall climb and dash

>>719997138
Do I really need to tap the sign again? Nobody cares about your opinion on this, it will never be the prevailing viewpoint.

>>719996839
This is your basic extremely skilled gamer one upping himself.
>say thing is easy compared to other thing they did
>get into an argument
>claim the earlier thing was also easy (often with a new baseline for actually hard)
>rinse and repeat

the game was playtested in an echo chamber

>>719977681
Shard and Boomerang though the boomerang isn’t really that good. The knives felt better.

>>719997283
You're exactly the kind of poser who runs through a game in 2 hours with save states then spends 2 months discussing CRT filters on /vr/. This is why the shmup crowd is better than the "retro" crowd.

>>719996990
how long is SS compared to HK? not in hours but just in generalities. e.g. a little longer, a little shorter, etc

>charm system, the thing i already despised 1 for, is even worse and more limiting now
>crests break up what could've been one awesome moveset into a ton of little chunks you cannot quickswap between, everything is locked to bench hardwaps
>this includes charge attacks, which became nearly unusable thanks to the combination of gaining no spirit and only having one at a time, down from 3
>can also only use one spell, down from 3, and i would've gladly swapped the godawful sub weapons for the ability to wield all spells at once
I still like the game and maybe some late game unlocks will remedy my complaints but by the fucking gods why did they do this

>>719996389
>Door to the left past that one mini boss is a waste
but it allows you to access a large chunk of the world after getting dash. no need for the floating skirt upgrade or getting the fleas
also wanderer's charm that makes platforming easier since it has a normal downward attack

>>719997379
I don't care about whatever shit you're whinging about, dude. You can continue making up these straw men if it makes you feel better, though.

>>719997434
appears to have a larger map than hollow knight

>>719997379
>retarded avatarfagging tranny trying to act like he is some ebic pro gaymer
>when he already tried to brag about his shitclears in babby's first shmups with multiple misses and dogshit scoring and got laughed out of the thread
Get the fuck outta here you poser clown

>>719996990
>badly spaced out checkpoints?
>heh just don’t die
>tedious currency system?
>heh you don’t need those crutches anyway
>arbitrary damage increases from enemies
>heh just don’t get hit

>>719997507
Hollow Knight was too good. That's not allowed, so they had to make Silksong a bad game.

>>719997561
How can you understand a game if you just hammer through it once in 2 hours? This leads to dumb opinions like thinking zero is harder than mega man. It doesn't make for very good discussion. What does someone who played X1 for 200 hours have to discuss with someone who played it for 2 hours? It's useless to me. If this is how you play old games, we'll, then all retro games are just bad and you should stop playing them and move on.

>>719997524
Meh, why would you want to skip floating, plus it only lets you acess the area a couple hours earlier.

>>719997507
>Given options for different movesets that you have to commit to
>NOOOOO LET ME SWAP BETWEEN ALL OF THEM AT ONCE I WANT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME RIGHT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
Children, the lot of you.

>>719997640
Be careful not to pop a brain aneurysm with those lack of 1ccs

>>719997659
Damn they failed pretty hard at that

>>719997379
You're exactly the kind of poser who gets a shitclear in batrider after practicing with save states then spends a whole thread bragging about it on /v/.

>>719997204
you need like 5 fleas then talk to the caravan guys then they take you to right before bellhart.
then you gotta do a ton of shit in the area after bellhart(its a town) to free a curse, then you can upgrade your item

you can get to where the caravan takes you normally by going left of greymoor. theres a flea in that little tower area left of halfway house which was my 5th flea.

the caravan skips a boss

>>719997769
Motherfucker, having your entire moveset at a time or at least quickly swappable is a STAPLE of metroidvanias. There's no "commitment" beyond just picking the single objectively best option and discarding the rest of the possible moveset. Dreadful.

>>719997786
Batrider no-miss and Mushi no-miss are like 50x harder than your shitclears and those are nowhere even close to the hardest clears I've done.

Kys tranny freak

>>719997827
>spends a whole thread bragging about it
But I didn't brag about it, someone cried and pooped their pants claiming I never 1cc'd anything when I've been 1ccing 2hus longer than you've been alive.

>devs are Zelda2fags
Explains a lot of the more dickheaded design decisions. Shame that love didn’t go towards making a memorable soundtrack

>>719997703
*tap tap tap*

>>719997876
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THE GENRE IN ANY WAY FUCK YOU TEAM CHERRY I WANT MY FAMILIAR REHASH

>>719997931
>I've been 1ccing 2hus longer than you've been alive.
>on normal
>with shit scores
>and multiple deaths
troonhou is babby's first shmup and you still fucking suck at it. There is a reason these tranny retards have to add a million "LNNNNNNNNN" qualifiers just to make their game have any semblance of challenge.

wanderer crest is a QoL upgrade and worth the 500 anal beads

>>719997930
>>719997945
Crying about trannies makes it a little TOO obvious anon

I'm convinced some of you actually play like this

>>719997995
They didn't deviate in a positive sense. They just made it worse for no reason.

>>719997995
>take established thing and do it worse
>the inconvenience toughens you up
I bet you actually defend the map system

>>719977383 (OP)
elden ring is easy as fuck, this is about as hard as HK, your sense of difficulty is all wrong

>>719998053
Just so we're clear anon, watching electric underground on YouTube then sperging out about it for months is not 1ccing a shmup. In your mind perhaps you feel you earned a 1cc, but until you do it this is not true.

I hate skillets so much. They act like that's the worst part of a game, what makes it bad, but it's not, and it hides or takes attention away from what the real negatives of games are.

i regret not playing this on release because it's obvious they will nerf this heavily very soon
hopefully someone atleast makes a mod to restore it

>>719998236
What do you mean? Why can't you just download it and save the files?

>>719998059
Why did you quote me when I didn't type out tranny in any of my replies? Try to keep it together, retard.

>>719998090
it's not worse, it's just harder
>>719998127
i love the map system, it rewards learning

>>719998393
Perhaps your first 1cc can be ginga force. It's on sale for $1. That's a pretty fun game to play.

>>719998236
>it's obvious
Why?

>>719997703
I like driving my car.
It's nice.
It's familiar.

You're suggesting every time I drive my car it needs to have worse steering so it's harder for me to control because there's no possible reason I could want to drive my car multiple times unless the experience is more difficult every time.

That is retarded.
You are retarded.
Your mother is retarded.
Your ancestors are retarded.
Your genetics are retarded.
The air you breathe is exhaled a little stupider than before.
You are the Retardominus. The Alpha and the Downs Syndromega.
When you were born the skies wept.

Thankfully as a speedrun tranny you'll kill yourself sooner than not.

so what's the path of pain equivalent in Silksong?

>>719985745
One of the worst runbacks in every game ever, I want hard bosses but I want a checkpoint right by them. Silksong really feels like a 7 year old game because most games have moved past the runbacks now. They're useless wastes of time, put a checkpoint before the boss like Ender Magnolia.

>>719998471
because there's a huge outcry and people have already created a mod to lower the difficulty
this is 2025

>>719998525
>I drove to Walmart today, I'm a total motorhead bros

>>719998532
the entire game

>>719998157
I know, it's inconceivable to someone who struggled so much with a babby shitclear

>>719998532
The game.

>>719998396
>it's not worse, it's just harder
No, it's not harder. It's just worse. You end up spamming the singular strongest options you have at hand.

>>719998525
the purpose of your car is to get you from point A to point B as comfortably as possible
the purpose of a game is to be a game
"play" VNs if you want the car experience in your video games

>>719996708
that people with brains wouldn't blow their beads on the first jingly keys they find.

it's like zoomers have never played a metroidvania before, and don't understand the value of exploring ahead (upgrades, tech, spells) before tackling any bosses.

>>719998306
doesn't steam auto update and prevent you to launch without patching? idk

>>719977383 (OP)
i feel like this game is too big for its own good, like, i've played metroidvanias in the past and i like being lost for a while but it feels like there's no point in getting lost cause its just a boss encounter or something that you will forget after entering the next area rince and repeat, it feels like there is no progression almost.

>>719998454
I've already got some 1cc's in Touhou games, I've just been trying to get one in Ikaruga for a while now.

>>719998565
So? They made dozens of millions thanks to Silksong, they have no reason to patch it.

>>719990438
>Devs are fucking crazy for making this as hard. They knew normies would flock to this because popular thing and they didn't give a fuck

They didn't just make it hard. They made it fucking tedious. E.g.

> compass still takes an item slot
> you have to pay out of the ass for fucking everything - "New area and you want to save your progress? Go fuck yourself"
> currency that barely drops anywhere rolling away and getting destroyed all the time
> long-ass runs towards certain bosses
> run out of tool shards if a certain boss keeps raping your ass
> bosses having dogshit rewards or no rewards at all

Today I modded in free compass + magnet and gave myself shitloads of currency to not having to deal with the shitty currency grind anymore. And suddenly, the game became much more fun with a bit of QoL.

>>719998610
>the singular strongest option
that depends on the situation unless you're retarded

>>719998565
Team Cherry spent the last 7 years not following any online discourse. They don't give the faintest shit about community opinions. They made the game they want and are now back to being millionaire normalfags.

>>719998683
didn't stop plenty of other devs, i guarantee they are nerfing this

>>719998573
Yes, I'm sure everyone on /o/ tries to make their cars handle worse FOR THE CHALLENGE BRO

YOU DROVE YOUR CAR BRO!? WELL IF YOU DIDN'T DRIVE IT AGAIN WITH SQUARE TYRES YOU DIDN'T DRIVE YOUR CAR
I BET YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE CARS ENOUGH TO GET RID OF THE ENGINE AND FLINTSTONES THAT SHIT YOU CARSUAL

>>719998656
go steamless lil bro

Thing is, HK's post-launch content was already mostly try-hard shit, and Silksong is an entire game's worth of try-hard shit, Team Cherry has firmly bought into "it's good cause it's hard" meme. No builds or progression whatsoever, you have to nail the boss 70 times.

>>719998692
Did they hire redditors who worship even the worst things about Hollow Knight to playtest Silksong?

>>719998647
Yes. And the purpose of a game is to be fun.
If I wanted boring tedium, I'd work white-collar.

>>719998778
Have you tried not sucking shit at videogames

>>719998660
It'll come soon. Play gradius v after if you like treasure, it's fun.

>>719998819
challenges are fun

>>719989459
>you guys know you can use the rosary bead machines to save your rosaries right?
I don't need that because I'm not some fucking noob
if I fuck up on my way back to the cocoon I just quit out lol

>>719998819
>the purpose of a game is to be fun
Not anymore. From Software changed gaming forever, so now all that matters is difficulty.

>>719998692
It's one gigantic Aussie troll to waste peoples time. Every aspect of the game completely spits int he players face when it comes to respecting their time. There's 0 quality of life in the game.

>>719998919
Why do the Chinese hate Australians so much

>>719998713
No, it fucking doesn't. There's no situation where a crest with a shit pogo can be salvaged, there's no reason for anyone to equip worse spells because they all share the same downsides, there's no "situation" where i would ever need to unequip a fucking second chance. Last (you), braindead faggot, salvage it.

so are any of the act 1 bosses harder than radiance or is that a meme

>>719977383 (OP)
Meh. Not hard at all really. Nothing I've encountered has posed a significant challenge once the boss runs out of surprise gotcha mechanics. The game is, above all, tedious.
>Short runbacks
Long runbacks aren't hard, you won't get hit the first time, you won't get hit the next few times either. It's just tedium and padding.
>Cheese strategies
I haven't found a single boss where the solution didn't feel like cheesing or required skill beyond simple "jump over the attack" type interactions.
>There are no crutches
There is also no fun. Enjoy doing the exact same attack patterns on enemies in hour 20 as you did in hour 1, maybe use a subweapon if you're feeling exceptionally fancy. The entire game could have been reduced to a boss/enemy gauntlet and it'd be a better game for it because all else in between (beside some platforming challenge rooms) is just pointless, tedious padding. There is genuinely nothing worthwhile to find while exploring side areas or hidden paths.

>>719998993
>There's no situation where a crest with a shit pogo can be salvaged,
better attacks

>>719998396
They made an established system worse

You know what, getting close to Great Citadel just makes me want to replay Blasphemous 2 instead

>>719994591
You also don't have to have a mode specifically enforcing permadeath you know? You can just do that yourself, delete your save when you die.

>>719998919
That's why I'm saying you should take the mod pill if you're on PC to fix their shitty designs. There's literally nothing gained from this time-consuming bullshit.

Hey guys. Does this game really still only have a single weapon? One of the things I like most about metroidvanias compared to what one might call classicvanias is how much cool shit you can get. I don't hate the classicvania style but it's just more interesting to have tons of bits and bobs to play with like that. In the thread I've heard it has different movesets, but that feels like it's only filling half the appeal. Like with Dark Souls you have different movesets attached to different weapons, there's intrigue associated to each weapon, on top of offering a different visual and sometimes acoustic feel, it's not simply just a mechanical change to gameplay.

>>719998909
Prior to FromSoft, the industry was nothing but QTE and MovieGames. Go back to those if you want then, faggot.

Hollow Knight is ass, btw.

>>719999217
Which mods do you recommend?

>>719999261
>Does this game really still only have a single weapon?
No actually.

They shouldn't have balanced this game around the people that poopsocked HK and had to do pantheon kaizo mods to feel something.
>git gud
Already finished the game. I still have to do the true ending

>>719998909
>Not anymore.
I hate this time line

>>719984649
no it gets better in act 2

>>719998692
Yes but consider that seeing others annoyed by this fires of those same neurons that make you think you’re better than them, so you have to defend it no matter what

>>719997769
What's the point of having sets to swap between if committing is the point? At that rate just let people choose their starting weapon and be done with it. Nobody is going to go through an area and think "hmm I guess the claw weapon is better here, lemme swap to it despite the fact it has no upgrades!"

>>719999384
This guy unironically ruined Nintendo and all they do is make ubislop games with Nintendo branding now

>>719999061
commit to your loadout anon

>>719999315
In technicality or in a significant way? All the screenshots I see are still with the nail.

>>719982595
>black widow

>>719996435
>get to a long stretch without a bench
>die to something challenging near the end
>carefully get back to the money, die again
>try to go a little faster, get the money, die again
>get impatient with the run back, try to go even faster
>die before getting to the money
>finally beat the thing, have to break a necklace to open the bench
>bench is broken anyway

>>719999523
I was talking about the map.

>>719999054
So why doesn't that exist, then?

>>719999584
learn the map anon

>>719999543
You get weapons with different movements, and also tools/traps you can swap out.

>>719998692
>compass still takes an item slot
Wahhh i don't want to be situationally ware of where I am and plan routes.
>you have to pay out of the ass for fucking everything
Wahhhh I just wanna blow my money on the first thing I see and not have to think about my funds at all.
>currency that barely drops anywhere rolling away and getting destroyed all the time
wahhh i don't wanna manage my cash. I want everything NOW NOW NOW
>long-ass runs towards certain bosses
Wahhh I don't wanna be aware of the closest benches on the map, even if they're in other zones. Actual exploring and learning the map? Who want's to actually think when they play games?
>run out of tool shards if a certain boss keeps raping your ass
Boo hoo.
>bosses having dogshit rewards or no rewards at all
Because you have shit for brains

>>719999261
You get several movesets but you can only hardswap them at benches and most of them have such shitty downsides only 2, maybe 3 are actually fun to play with. They could've done Dawn of Sorrow style preset switching but alas.

>>719999263
For about three years prior, faggot.
Where were my QTEs in Donkey Kong?

>>719999306
https://www.nexusmods.com/games/hollowknightsilksong/mods?page=1

Decide for yourself.

Personally, I'm using
> perma free compass + magnet
> automap without going back to the bench (another dogshit design)
> Simple Rosary Cheat since I can't be assed to grind certain spots for hours
> double shard drops for convenience

>>719999639
Yea hang on lemme just stop playing the game so I can draw a paper map, so difficult, so challenging, and not at all just tedium with a false label!
>n-no I mean memorise it without anything else!
Uhuh. Cool story dog.

The Xbox achievements go from 20% for 4th Chorus to 5% for Widow. Last Judge? 1.8%. none of these percentages have gone up in the last 24 hours. Game is overtuned to hell and is going to need a lot of updates to make it playable because right now it simply isn't fun

>>719999639
>>719999771
I want the map to function as a map in a video game. If you’re defending this system then you are banned from ever using a GPS in real life and must use a real map and compass to get around

>>719999868
>>n-no I mean memorise it without anything else!
>Uhuh. Cool story dog.
that's exactly what i meant lmao
are you retarded? you can't remember the layout of an area you've been through a dozen times?

>>719996337
Ive played enough to drop SS.
I swear to god there is some sort of bug because the amount of inputs ive had eaten is ridiculous. Half of my running jumps dont even work when i get to a new zone. Every new room i have to exit and reenter or i cant jump properly

>>719999953
>I want the map to function as a map in a video game.
hollow knight and silksong are video games with maps

>>719999771
>Wahhh i don't want to be situationally ware of where I am and plan routes.
This would make sense if maps connected sensibly and distance was absolute. They're not, so that's not actually possible.
>I don't want to collect things in a game about collecting things
What the fuck do you even mean "think about your funds"? What on earth are you talking about you dumb spastic? Do you mean to say there is meaningful choice in how to spend the currency somehow? Are you retarded?
>Cash not exploding randomly is somehow related to cash management!
OK, yeah, you're retarded. I see. Have a nice day.

>>719999646
Oh really, that's nice then.

>>719999784
Yeah that does sour things a bit I guess. Funner to switch things around on the fly.

>>719999868
there's an item in the game that lets you use a slot regardless of the crest. I use it for the compass and the yellow trinkets in this game aren't really that good in my opinion so you're not missing out on much

Also, wow. Dark souls and its conseqences on the gaming community is fucking wild. Instead of trying to help out people that are stuck (it's not that hard) I'm seeing a lot of superiority complexes instead lmao

>>720000046
Half-functional maps. They took established systems and made it worse

>>719999937
Xbox owners don't play vidya.

But yeah, past Last Judge it's all sub-10% here on Steam.

>>719999937
Sounds like you're angry at yourself, not the game

>>720000181
it exists to reward learning the game
you get an extra crest slot if you can remember the map
are you retarded?

>>719999970
>That's what I meant!
Great, so you're retarded. It's been nice talking to you. Off you fuck then, go play in traffic or something.
>Y-you can't remember the layout after being through dozens of times!
If you need dozens of times to remember, you have some serious issues. The fact that you're asserting that it's expected to go through the same area dozens of times is already dogshit design, but the map being dogshit is an issue that is entirely around the fact that you can't tell where you are on the map to plan a route or something, NOT that it's hard to memorise places after being around them a whole lot.

God fucking damnit you are unbelievably stupid.

I remember when Dark Souls came out and the threads were fun and cool.
We need to go back.
Fuck normalfags getting into this pastime.

>>720000260
You're getting more and more tilted

I'm only 3 hours in and the level design on this game its just utterly dogshit.
Like I've unlocked this gate from the top but I still can't jump to it. What's the point of unlocking then?

>>720000260
i was trying to be nice and accommodate someone who's so retarded that they might need a dozen or more treks through an area to remember it

>>719999771
>Wahhh i don't want to be situationally ware of where I am and plan routes.
Yes.

Answer me honestly. Have you EVER used any form of GPS in your life. Because if you have, you're a hypocrite.
If individual rooms had names, then sure, you wouldn't need a compass if you've ever used a street directory, because if you know the street you're on you can find your way anywhere, but since the map might as well be MILES AND MILES OF BLOODY UBERWALD, it's frankly fucking useless unless I memorize every room, side room, number of entrances to a room, secret rooms, and other horseshit.

I don't care if your "autistic superpower" is "ME CAN REMBER ROCK FROM DIFFROCK" I don't have time for that shit because I'm too busy sending heavy-breathing voicemails to your mother.

>>720000267
>Dark Souls instead of Demon's Souls
you are the bandwagon faggot, kys

>>720000237
No but nice cope. I have more respect for myself to spend my free time on something I'm actually enjoying, but if you want to be a cuckold and torture yourself that's cool too. But don't get upset when no one else wants to do it. I'll wait for them to patch it and make it actually playable because I don't want to ruin my first experience with an obviously unplaytested unbalanced version of the game

Just killed judge. I don't see any normies beating the game.

if you haven't beat hollow knight, or you haven't played hollow knight, you aren't beating this game. its hard

>>720000383
>I don't care if your "autistic superpower" is "ME CAN REMBER ROCK FROM DIFFROCK" I don't have time for that shit because I'm too busy sending heavy-breathing voicemails to your mother.
then the game isn't for you and you should have refunded it when you had the chance lol

>>720000169
Who the fuck is getting stuck in Silksong? Why would we even be talking about such retards? What does that even have to do with the conversation we're having which is about pointlessly tedious game design?
>The trinkets suck too anyway!
Yeah, and that's a problem, not a mitigating circumstance for another unrelated problem.

I mean holy shit how are you being this dumb? Where the fuck did you go to school to not even have learned how to keep up with a basic conversation, to not even understand the basic notion of "relevance"?

Why is the binding for using a tool so retarded, dpad up + R, seriously?

HEY GAIZ! 'MEMBER ME???

Seriously though, it isn't that bad.

>>720000169
>>720000267
I thought people were memeing when they said HK was a souls-like. Apparently, they were serious the entire time and have the same mentality to boot, it's fucked up

>>720000412
>ugh how dare the video GAME has OBSTACLES
>where's the 20 minute long dialogue segments!!! where's the bing bing wahoo cinematic setpieces!!

>>720000338
>N-no see I didn't just say something stupid that was entirely unrelated to the point, I said something stupid for YOUR sake somehow, and that's now your fault!
Lmao. What a fucking nigger.

there was a boss i skipped fighting but now i can't remember where it was
so fucker clinging to the ceiling and slamming its fists down

>>720000492
Everyone disliked the way subweapons worked in Castlevania, so they had to copy it.

>>720000412
Not him but "I beat Skong before the patches" will be a big badge of honor in the future. Mark my words.

>>720000080
>Do you mean to say there is meaningful choice in how to spend the currency somehow? Are you retarded?
Yes dumbfuck. The way you spend your money prioritizes certain things over others, and has a potential to unlock later areas in the game.

Holy shit you people have shit for brains.
>OHHH a shiny new bench. Time to fork over the dollerydoos!
>OHHH a shiny new toy. Time to fork over the dollerydoos!

You are a fucking retard who is incapable of using the space between their ears.

>>720000448
I don't care if it's for me or not you nigger. Australia isn't for my pasty European arse, yet here I sit.
And here I sit colonizing your game, and your threads, and ruining any achievement you feel by memorizing a map because you're not intellectual, you're just a chimp.
Chimps are really good at rote memorization.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12993-chimps-outperform-humans-at-memory-task/

There's a reason why Savant is commonly coupled with the descriptor "Idiot".

I'm like 6 bosses in and still not a single hp upgrade or damage upgrade is this normal? I feel like I've been exploring pretty well.

>>720000570
you get a free crest slot if you can remember the map :)

>>720000421
>N-normies won't beat it
Lmao nigger it's just like darksouls where the whole thing is trial and error and learning boss patterns. Normies more than any other group are going to be the ones clearing this game because they have no notion of better games to be spending their time on and they want that 'le ebin hard game but not really actually hard' credit.

>>720000658
There is a A LOT of bosses

>>720000574
Splinter Sister, top of Shellwood.

>>719991827
not him but apparently it's mount fay

>>720000249
It exists to waste time. No one ever complained that maps in Metroidvanias were too easy, but now you people are tripping over yourselves to praise the same system but with chunks cut out

>>720000657
>being dumber than a chimp means im a genius actually

>>720000383
It is VERY fucking easy to track your position on the map without a goddamn compass when you plan ahead of time where you fucking want to go, moron.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to take a half-second to sit on a goddamn bench, and plan your route.

>>720000708
>>720000658
I honestly remember and only vaguely at that like 2 bosses in HK. If they have so many here it must mean there's a lot more iconic content this time around. Right?

>>720000785
i don't know how to tell you that hollow knight and silksong are not metroid or castlevania

>>719994083
the solution is actually get the mask charm from the secret shop in hunter's march

>>720000603
>The way you spend your money affects!
No. Simply no. You're writing fiction. If you need an item you just go farm for a few minutes and get it. There is no meaningful choice, that would require genuine deprivation of resources, rather than a mere barrier of tedium. The fact that you can't even tell the difference makes it very clear that you are simply mentally deficient, and cannot logically engage with information outside your pre-established beliefs.

>>720000660
How do you remember a map if it's your first time visiting and you can't see the whole areas without later upgrades and the maps don't connect to each other sensibly?

Oh, right, you cannot. It is quite literally impossible. But thanks for playing anyway.

how do i get into this niggas locked bellhome. also missin a craft metal for the shit above him

>>720000856
>Right
Yes

>>720000803
>"Memory isn't a defining qualifier of intelligence"
>Aha! You must be dumber than a thing that has better memory than humans!
Bro... can you actually just genuinely not read?

>>720000660
>>720001017
>looks it up online
Heh, nothin personel

I loved hollow knight. I beat radiance but the godhood stuff was too much autism for me so I stopped there.

Will I be able to have fun with this one or is the difficulty really that far off from the first game?

>>720000421
the runback for that fight seems worse than the boss itself unless i'm missing some shortcut. the lil flying enemies fucking suck.

WAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>720001017
if it's your first time there you probably don't have the room on your map or the area map to begin with, retard

>>720000725
thanks anon

>>720000864
It’s within the same genre and released decades after the fact, it will be compared with them.

>>720001096
Silksong feels like playing the last few HK areas with no upgrades.

>>720001096
It's not hard. It's just boring and exploration is even less rewarding than it was in HK somehow. They removed pins for the most part and replaced it with alternate weapons that are all worse then what you start with and need to be individually upgraded, all for no real benefit or meaningful difference.

>>720001114
you just explained the map mechanics to the person who knows the map mechanics

>>719986524
You are not going to beat the game if you haven't played hollow knight
>>719988436
Yes, you need to play hollow knight first
>>719989459
This is what everyone should be doing instead of losing 500 rosaries. You can save a lot of rosaries and I didn't miss them that much because of this.

>>720000927
Holy god you're a goddamn moron.
>Durr I gotta go back-and-fourth to farm 5 beads at a time.
Holy shit you're dumb.

Do you blow all your cash in real life on trivial shit as well, anon?
Jesus fucking Christ.
You say to a person, "hey, be mindful of your cash, you might need it later."
And idiots like you have a fucking hissy fit.

The map is explicitly designed to reward exploration and actually *avoiding* hard fights until you feel you're capable of tackling it. This is a goddamn staple of all metroidvanias.

Only in rare cases (like DS3: which actually has shit map design) bottlenecks you to a particular boss you have to force to do.

>>720001096
It was the same for me.
I haven't found Silksong too enjoyable. It just feels like bullshit. It's a lot more difficult than HK but not in a "fair but challenging" way.

>>720001096
There are way more sources of double damage, and more things that you have to save currency (beads) for. The first mask upgrade will barely help when you die in three total hits.

>>720001109
>WAAAAAAH BAWWWWWW HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT ISSUES WITH MY FAVOWITE GAEM WAAAAAAAAAH!
Projection.

>>719989890
No you didn't, shit bait
>>719990438
They just have to change 2-1 damage for some enemies and bosses attacks
>>720000692
You can cheese souls with summons, broken builds and confusing the bosses AI. You can't cheese last judge. Good luck with that lmao.

>>720001212
they don't seem to understand that they get a free crest slot if they're capable of navigating levels

>>720001234
If the things you can buy in the game are effectively a waste, as you just tried to argue, then why are they in the game, anon?

Do tell, smart guy.

>>719990169
>pogoing
>late game technique
And the muscle memory will screw you over as you try to pogo on enemies directly below you only for hornet to dive sideways.

>>720001101
You get used to it, but yeah it sucks. To be honest I wasn't a fan of the pogo at first but you get used to it; it's just a weird hitbox.

But yeah I can't see someone that hasn't played hollow knight for a while beating this part. The game expects you to have played hollow k ight first

I don't like playing as a girl. Doesn't ruin my immersion but does make it feel less relatable. Have people gotten to modding this game yet?

>>720001096
If you didn’t like godhome you won’t like this

>>720001285
>You can't cheese last judge
Doubt it. Every boss so far has had pretty easy mechanics to cheese once you learn their moveset. It's basic bitch trial and error which any idiot can do, same as every souls game.
>B-but muh summons!
>B-but muh broken builds!
All those things mitigate the fact that you need basic bitch trial and error, the outcome is still the same.

>>720001349
THEY ARN'T A FUCKING WASTE, DUMBASS
THE WAY YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY PRIORITIZES ONE THING OVER A-FUCKING-NOTHER

>Hurr durr it's all or nothing. I want it NOW NOW NOW
Holy shit.

good game design is giving the player everything they want exactly when they want it with no restrictions so they don't complain :)

hope the reviews drop to overwhelmingly negative for this kusoge

>>720001334
You don't seem to understand that you're taxed for a genre basic.

>>720001618
i don't care about genre conventions, the game is what it is and it's good because of it

>>720001495
>They aren't a waste!
You just argued otherwise, saying you shouldn't get them as you don't need them. That, objectively, by definition, means they're a waste. You just dismissed your own fucking argument you dumb fuck.
>N-no it's a waste now, you might need it later!
And when is that, exactly? How do you tell, when the choice first occurs? Oh? You don't? And your entire position is merely asinine sophistry? You don't say!

>>720001659
>The game is good because it is what it is!
Staggeringly meaningful sentiment there bucko!

>>720001801
>it's bad because it's different!
ok