Thread 150257898

For this to work Disney would have to fire a lot of their old guard and hire new people because the people who drove boys aways form star wars and marvel seem to be really scared of telling even a single story where a white men is not constantly outshined, ridiculed or rescued by a bunch of girlbosses.

>girlbosses
I for one think it's funny that if you take a "girlboss" but make her a 9-year-old with hamplanet thighs suddenly it's LE BASEDBASEDBASED CUNNY UOOOHHHHHH

>>150257972
Cope tranny

>>150258014
Stfu

>>150258017
He was never one of you.
It was never yours.

>>150257898 (OP)
Just do what the japanese did here. Kids and teen love this shit

>>150258074
Go back to l*ddit

>>150257972
> Lucas also responded to criticism about the depiction of women in the “Star Wars” films, saying: “Who do you think the heroes are in these stories? What do you think Princess Leia was? She’s the head of the rebellion. She’s the one that’s taking this young kid who doesn’t know anything and this boisterous, I-know-everything guy who can’t do anything and trying to save the rebellion with these clowns … And it’s the same thing with Queen Amidala.”

>He continued, “You can’t just put a woman in pants and expect her to be a hero. They can wear dresses, they can wear whatever they want. It’s their brains and their ability to think and plan and be logistical. That’s what the hero is.”

btfo faggot. he knew you had to write women as women and men as men

>>150258107
>>150258113

Man, Disney really struck lightning with Pirates of the Caribbean and Kingdom Hearts with the millennials.

Instead of going with their new IPs, they could do stuff with Herbie and the Rocketeer. Rocketeer is such a fun movie.

>>150257898 (OP)
It is not Disney's fault that God hates you and the rest of your kind for deifying a disgusting hedonist.

>>150258135
Cope and seethe

>>150257898 (OP)
>a white men is not constantly outshined, ridiculed or rescued by a bunch of girlbosses.
You know the male demo doesn't just = white men, right?

>>150258263
>Hurr durr the male demo isn't always white
>Meanwhile the male demo

>>150258324
Fuck me, the pic was supposed to be spoilered. It was supposed to be a joke because he is a male demo(man) who isn't white.

>>150258346
This is now a TF2 x /co/ thread

>>150257898 (OP)
you might not be aware of this, but white men are not exactly an overwhelming demographic amongst young people. especially white men who have tantrums about people who aren't white men.
>>150258113
>anon doesn't understand what feminism actually is
he's saying their value is in their minds and achievements, not their gender. "women can wear whatever they want" is ancient feminist discourse.

>>150257898 (OP)
Hollywood is run by people who think "oh a movie about two guys and a girl. That's 66% male. That's a boy movie" when we all knew how this shit worked back in the day.

>>150258407
well it certainly didn't mean "must be a romance" back in the day. very few movies weren't majority male principal cast.

>>150258263
there have been serveral movies wnd shows with brown male protagonist unlike white men, you absolute retard.
that is the problem. in your eyes everyone deserves heroes and hobbies except straight white men.
but apparently those don‘t produce enough money
disney needs white men to be intressted in their products otherwise they would not panic

>>150257898 (OP)
It is too late.
This needed to happen 15-20 years ago. Now males can and will just make their own AI Kino.
It is over.
They chose women and fags. Now stick with it.

>>150257898 (OP)
They'll never do that though. Look at Kathleen Kennedy, somehow still the head of Lucasfilm despite every project under her watch destroying good will among Star Wars fans.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what the point of the article is. Is it Disney publicly admitting that they have no idea why people aren't watching their stuff or are they just lying to lure in the "chud" audience?

>>150257898 (OP)
>>150258456
Why are there so many ESLs on /co/, specifically?

Don't you guys have /int/ernational altchans you can use? Or are they all dead?

>>150257898 (OP)
I heard Disney brought back the guys from Black Cauldron to make a new wizard/sorcery movie is it true?

>>150258405
>are not exactly an overwhelming demographic among young people
they are the bigger than any other demographic in the west for action and adventure media.
Disney already tried heavily to pander to negors and brown men and it didn't lead to money.
they need white men as customers, but young white boys are not willing to pay for media that is cleary made by people that hate them, unlike fat, balding, lefty cucks like you.

>>150258444
If things can only be one genre it's a horror movie. It has vampires and werewolves.

Every time this thread gets reposted I swear the average grammatical structure of the posts inside get noticeably worse.

I swear when ever this threats gets posted the same fat, balding anon shows up screaming about esl and then runs to the tranny mod to delete it because his feeling got hurt.

>>150258619
good morning saars

>>150258580
Are you like 24/7 on 4chan. Jesus, loser go outside or wash your dick.
You have nothing original to offer to the conversation.
Nobody wants to hear your bitching and thread derailment.

>>150257898 (OP)
They don't acknowledge this. They will insist the same boy hating group of queers They have write everything write a show for boys.
A BIG part of this thing we're dealing with is a kind of crestive labor cartel. They dont want anyone in the industry who isn't part of their club.

Why does /co/mblr get so angry whenever someone mentions the intrests of white men?

>>150258014
Wow cool. So there's an easy formula that guarantees market success and they just refuse to do it for ideological reasons?

>>150257898 (OP)
Based! We will WIN!

>>150258666
that is how lefties always act.
only solution are rightwing death squads

>>150258405
>white men are not exactly an overwhelming demographic amongst young people
Theyre just the demo that decides if your franchise has financial success and longevity.

>>150258680
>the formula is pedoslop
mmm

>>150258707
careful anon, you are going to make the balding cunt cry.
Watch the thread get deleted in 5 minutes.

>>150258137
i doubt anyone who had anything to do with those franchises still works there sadly.

>>150258263
Yeah? Young brown boys prefer white male protags, apparently. Just look at the sales and the stock values.
>configuration A
Money, fame, respect
>configuration B
Poverty, neglect, contempt
It should be an easy choice but they just don't want to do it. They expect that success is a function of marketing dollars and nothing else.

>>150258499
Typos are not caused by learning English as your second language.

Now that dust has settled, how did KINO Leveling win so hard?

>>150258541
>Disney already tried heavily to pander to negors and brown men and it didn't lead to money.
Their peoblem wasn't pandering to browns per se. It was that they lumped pandering to browns in with pandering to gays and women. So all the black boys got effeminate numales with pink dreadlocks as their representation. They never got a chance at a real story.

>>150258717
You're the one saying that.

Disney should make anime

>>150258776
Kys curry

>>150258113
>Lucas
>writing characters that are human

>>150258100
The horror take on Popeye and Mickey Mouse failed.

>>150258717
Shitterfag

>>150258739
Well definitely not with kh. That was squareenix.
But man I just played kh2 for the first time over the last few months. Every individual story ended with a celebration of heterosexual romance. The whole story is about a boy trying to save his girl, and masculine platonic male relationships between men trying to accomplish aligned goals.

>>150258839
>horror take on Mickey Mouse
What?

>>150258852
Even back then people were joking about Sora touching Riku's butt, lets not kid ourselves.

>>150258884
Let people joke
Let people ship
Let people draw lewds

What's in the primary media is what matters.

>>150258969
>Let people ship
What you some proshipper? Creep.

For the life of me I cannot follow Kingdom Hearts lore in the slightest

>>150258499
>>150258580
I'm starting to suspect a lot of posts are some kind of engagement farm operation using a combination of ESL contract workers and bots. Take these threads on white males and girlbosses for example. You can find repeat threads with some variations as if someone is doing message testing to see what combination of words and images get the most engagement.

Either that or stuff like this is some autist fixating on a pet topic which isn't much better if they're indistinguishable from bots and other engagement farmers.

>>150259073
If you want to tell others what they're allowed to post, go to leddit.
/co/ mods don't give a shit, so neither should you. Western media is dead.

>>150259057
What's so hard? All the dis ey movies exist as part of a multiverse. Mickey is one of very few people aware of this fact and travels between worlds to deal with inter-world threats. The heartless are one of those threats. Sora is a young lad who gets whisked from his normal life and into adventure as the chosen one.

>>150258137
They've been trying to racebend the Rocketeer with a female negress for over a decade sadly.

>>150259057
You, the player, are Ansem.

>>150257898 (OP)
>specifically original concepts
If they couldn't keep guys watching with Marvel and Star Wars, a new product won't change things. Disney is stuck being the princess/girlboss brand.

>>150259073
>>150259176
come to think of it I wonder if it's because east vs. west threads don't work anymore, judging by how both boards aren't doing so hot these days

>>150258074
Unironically, this is correct. as far back as the late 70s the woke mindvirus was already in Hollywood. Besides Lucas, I recall that the crew that made the first Alien made it a point to have a chick be the hero/sole survivor and to have the traditionally masculine man die first to the chestburster

And this isn't even talking about all the german degenerates coming to america, or communists subverting entertainment
For the most part, which extreme exceptions like Mel Gibson, Hollywood was really never on the side of any young man alive today

>>150259073
The problem with this theory is that you can't make money farming engagement on 4chan.
What is true as confirmed by the people doing it is firms trying to quell discussion on the boards because as people discuss freely they narrow down root causes of shit. And the producers of shit would prefer is people's opinions were decided by their marketing. They also have state cooperation because state level firms fear radicalization on 4chan specifically.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210129014450/https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/
They don't want to farm engagement. The opposite. They want people to stop posting.

>>150259226
>peter pandeep

spambot/jeet /pol/shit threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 >>>/global/rules/10 >>>/global/rules/14 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=150257898

>>150259242
Hmm? Were you paying attention to what they did to starwars? they didnt just buy the ip and set it on auto-pilot. There was a very overt and marketed effort to explicitely make starwars for girls.

>>150259274
Yeah it is true. They were coasting. It was still ostensibly men, whites (jews too) in the writers room.
Another sperating point between the tolerable left of the 20th century and now is that wothkut big data the left were free to theorize about equality between all human groups. Anyone saying a race or gender or sexuality wasn't as good or was doing such-n-such had nothing but their anecdotes to rely in. The left could hand wave it away and write up fantastical stories about diverse groups of misfits defeating entirely white and male evil empires.
Now we know unequivocally that blacks and browns commit crimes. Women are incompetent and emotional. And, homosexuals are pedophiles. And all proven through science, the God of the left. This revelation made them go crazy. If you recall the "post facts society" thing. It was they who abandoned reason and evidence and they did it as a response to being proven wrong.

>>150259319
That's what I meant by they couldn't keep guys watching. They told male viewers that they weren't wanted and chased them away; that reputation isn't going to disappear with a shiny, new ip. Who would trust them?

>>150259073
>>150259307
>>150258499
>>150258580
kek, are you really having a mental breakdown just because people call out Disney's bias against white boys?
Just how much of a niggerfaggot are you to get upset about something like this?
Are you crying right now?

>>150259319
Why didn't they make it into Walt Disney star wars by adding 3 optimistic colorful earworms, a villain song, and a love song for each movie?

why y'all brown

>>150258852
>Every individual story ended with a celebration of heterosexual romance
Sad that so many people seem to have a problem with this.
They rather keep demonizing white men, who go on to vote for Donald Trump, than let white boys have even a single thing like this anymore.
What kind of "good liberals" prefers letting Donald Trump blow up muslim and deport mexican than producing a few action animated shows about white men kicking ass and rescuing girls?

>>150259274
The "german degenerates" weren't really german

>>150259471
I think its just cope with how cartoons and comics are these days.

>>150259471
Their world view is like a house of cards situated in a room covered with mousetraps. The slightest resistance to their assertions is like a psychic assault to them.

>>150259560
Ughhh
ughhhhhgg
AAAAAAGHH UGHHHHHHGHH

Thoughts on 4chan's influence getting stronger?

>>150259711
What influence?

>>150259775
The mainstream noticing incel culture and labelling it dangerous.

>>150257898 (OP)
Can you please shut the fuck up about this. Spamming faggot.

>>150258263
I mean, I'm black and I don't exactly want to see every male character get outshined, ridiculed, or rescued by a bunch of women.
I think most guys would be fine if a movie just happens to star a multi-racial group of dudes who all get their chance to shine facing and overcoming adversity.
Shit like The Predator did this great, and didn't make much note of any of it, most of everyone got their moment to be a badass, even if they ended up dead.
Hell, even stuff that was more serious like Platoon and Full Metal Jacket did this pretty well, fucking Animal Mother and Eightball in FMJ have more of a great on-screen relationship than almost any modern black-white male pairing, even when the former acted like a giant racist and called the latter a nigger it still showed that he was willing to die for him. I'm tired of this lame ass shit where they have characters who are supposed to be racist but the writers are too fucking pansy to have them use actual racial slurs, so it just comes off as super passive-aggressive womanly bullshit. That shit is extremely fucking lame no matter what your race is as a male.

>>150260270
Gen Z men want Stardust Crusaders?

>>150257898 (OP)
The fact that they have biased the male audience in general has also affected the generational aspect, and their ineptitude has hindered that perspective.

>>150259281
That sure feels more relevant these days. I'll have to remember that as another demotivational tactic supercharged by bots. Though I'd also add that multiple groups can be operating with different goals each contributing to the shitpile of the internet in their own way. There was this Good Old USA Project last year by Russia which specifically noted gamer communities on social media and image boards as targets. There are some interesting guidelines there that give you an idea of how and why an influence campaign would use outrage bait topics in pop media as a Trojan horse to spread their talking points while people have their guard down. Here's what the report says about making ambiguous "sleeper" communities:

>Because the groups don't initially position themselves as political communities, they may act as lending outlets for targets ad channels for the project narratives distribution without attracting immediate attention of the social media outlets' administration, and would be able to accumulate a critical number of viewers.

>While in a "sleeping" state, communities attract an audience through targeted advertising, planting, and organic reaches. At the right moment, "upon gaining momentum", these communities become an important instrument of influencing the public opinion in critically important states and portals used by the Russian side to distribute bogus stories disguised as newsworthy events.

>>150260321
Hell yea, that'd be fucking awesome.

>>150260373
>>150259281
TDS

>>150260459
Unironically this
It gets so tiring trying to connect everything and forming a narrative from it. I just want to grill for God's sake

>>150259281
Cool how the entire internet has been made into a steaming pile of marketer dung.

>charge me with "spamming" in a spambot thread
The "mods" and "janitors" don't care about the quality of this board, or any board on this website. They want to bring in as many anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive subhuman troglodytes as possible so that they can make money off of them through ad revenue and because they're under direct orders from hiroyuki and rapeape to do so. Furthermore, if you use the report function against those aforementioned "people" and their shitty, rule breaking threads and posts and encourage others to do the same in order to help improve a board, you get rangebanned from reporting and posting.
The only possible way to salvage 4chan is by a changing of the guard, and since they refuse to step down willingly, they must be removed forcefully.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, therefore each and every single mod needs to be doxxed, hunted down, and murdered.
With the April 14th hack, all of their personal information has now become common knowledge. All that remains is for a martyr to make the sacrifice.

>>150260459
>>150260554
Make good movies and you won't have this problem. Disney nowadays feels like someone just removed all of the gags from a 2000s parody film. The pacing, the acting, the random insertion of unrelated subplots.

MAKE
THINGS
PEOPLE
WANT
I don't know why the pondering was tripled down this hard when its been obvious no one wants this diverse shit.
Fucking dumbasses.

>>150260451
Well yes tds made them come out into the open, but they were always there even before trump.

>>150260651
HAHA fuck off

>>150260727
What the fuck is a good movie?
Every movie I like you people hate
Why don't YOU make a good movie since you know so damn much about what makes a good movie? I'm not saying that to shut you up I genuinely wanna wanna see you make a movie because I hate seeing people sit around and contribute nothing but complaining. Solve these problems yourself, man

>>150260793
What movies do you like anon?

>>150260793
Do what they taught you to do in film school.
Don't put the inciting incident 30 minutes into the movie.

>>150260756
It all just comes back to this
>marxists couldn't initiate the revolution in america through force
>they shifted to controlling culture
>they must prove their axioms to make America communist
>their axiom is that humans are born blank slates that get filled with culture.
They NEED this to be true(it's not). They NEED the gen pop to beleive it.
Que half a century of "subverting expectstions" where boys are girls, girls are boys, blacks wear sweater vests and speak clearly, and homosexuals have normal everyday hobbies.
They cant make good movies. They cant speak to those symbols born into your mind. They can't create timeless heros.
They cant because they dont want to
They cant because they lack the ability.

>>150260756
What do people what?
Because everyone wants something different from each other.
I want diverse shit because it's a breath of fresh air to see different perspectives on the world, even moreso if I can relate to them. Yes it's possible for a white guy to relate to a black guy because we're all human, doesn't matter what people on twitter want.

And besides, how do you know what people want? Are you sure you're not talking about what YOU YOURSELF AND YOURSELF ALONE wants? What do people want? And don't just say good movie, be very specific with what people want, like a movie that has no references to reality so people can escape reality through the fiction of movies. That gets me because that says artists can't get personal with their art, you have to pander to what other people want and be their slave

This shit pisses me off whenever you guys talk about why Hollwood has to bend over to you, it makes me self conscious as an artist

>>150260793
>Every movie I like you people hate
Get over it! Who owes you anything?

>>150260756
>I don't know why the pondering was tripled down this hard when its been obvious no one wants this diverse shit.
when anime does it it's fine thoughbeit?

>>150260813
Unconventional movies, movies that talk about shit that's uncomfortable in the mainstream, movies that shit in corporations and portrays people as imperfect humans

>>150260843
I've seen many movies where the first half is just introducing the cast and THEN the incident happens so we can be invested in our characters. That's always been a thing well before modern movies.
Also I thought film school and college in general sucked because liberals go there but whatever, I do agree that film school and learning fundamentals in film is important.

>>150260856
What the fuck are you talking about? Marxism and bad movies are not mutually exclusive.

>>150260868
No one wants ugly shit anon, don't kid yourself.
Anime is popular for a reason.

>>150260917
But I like ugly shit
I like it when characters look more like awkward humans because it makes the story more grounded and I can connect with it personally.

My favorite animes are ones that don't try to be super pretty and cute and artificial. Sure moe has it's place but I love shit like whatever Masaaki Yuasai can put out because everything that man makes is unconventional as fuck.

>>150260868
>want diverse shit because it's a breath of fresh air
The thing that's been shoved down our throats for 60 years is fresh?
In any case, go buy a million tickets and 30 million t-shirts.
No one had to be cajoled into waiting in line overnight to see the phantom menace for the 9th time. They did it because they wanted to. That level of commitment doesn't exist anymore and it's because nothing worthy of that commitment is being made.
>oh lol ALLL people are oh so different!
Not really. Every master of manipulation got that way by figuring out people fall into manageable groups. Every marketing firm thinks this way. Steve Jobs was notorious for it. In your mind then every movie should only ever have 1 fan. So what's your explenation for cultural phenomenon that existed in the past?

>>150260916
>Marxism and bad movies are not mutually exclusive.
That's right. It's the opposite. Theyre mutually inclusive.

>>150260868
I think this is more indicative about how a lot of conversations on modern-neo-nu-4chan don't seem to properly go anywhere because one side is basically pleading to try to level with the other side, who seems to be some kind of hysterical ESL that's deliberately obfuscating what they actually want.

Or rather, you can't ever seem to properly "level" with these people because they don't actually LIKE anything, you know? Here they are flailing around about how Disney needs to do x, y, and z, which would have you think that surely they've got some favorite Disney films they like, except... somehow you can't ever get a real conversation about the best films and what they do right.

...Probably cause they're just 3rd-worlders.

>>150260953
>But I like ugly shit
Why arent you buying tickets and merch right now? The industry is collapsing because this mythological group of people who like what's being produced isn't ponying up the dough.

>>150260991
Anything to own the chuds

>>150260967
>The thing that's been shoved down our throats for 60 years is fresh?

More like Hollywood's idea of diversity is token as fuck which is why it doesn't feel fresh.

Disney has bragged about being diverse yet now only are cracking down on DEI now but they've been censoring their movies for a while despite their progressive virtue signalling

>>150260991
>>150261033
have you guys noticed that since the 10-day hack there's been a weirdly higher amount of these moments where the reply doesn't actually make any sense relative to what the original post said

>>150261005
Because I wanna save money and the movies that are out RN are not even that ugly for me. The most recent movie I saw in theaters that was ugly as fuck was The Toxic Avenger revival. THAT'S the kinda unfirltered humanity that I fucking crave. Disney just wants to throw us a bone and call it a full course. Turning Red should've been even gayer

>>150261033
Me personally, I wanna see ugly women gays trans and diversity because I like beautiful girls big tits and asses

>>150258816
>blonde Ms Bellum
Huh?

>>150260991
>browns are le bad
Based
Get them out of the writers rooms.
>you'll never say what's good. >>150258852
>>150258969
>>150259182
>>150259549
Here you go.
Otherwise how about all of them?
All of the ones that celebrate virtue, family, faith, bravery, heroism.
Do I have to be specific? Aladdin. Do I have to get more specific? Aladdin is a righteous warrior who didn't let his corrupt society change him. He gets ultimate power, abuses it learns his lesson, and fights back against evil to redeem himself. In the end he sacrifices a chance at infinite wealth to keep a promise. Jasmine is hella hot, and whole she has her little feminist tantrums she still wants to be married and fulfill her duties to her country. Robin Williams as the genie is the funniest shit in the fucking world, "friend like me" is so amazing I'd rewarch it for 90 minutes before rewatching the whole movie.

I can't wait till tomorrow when you post the same thing and lose all memory of this post.

>>150261035
I have yet to see one pregnant man be the main character of a Disney movie.

>>150261119
Blue Beetle was a movie that celebrated family though

>>150261131
UNIRONICALLY YES

>>150261035
Oh what? HAHAHAA NO WAY? REALLY?
so earlier when you said you liked it you were lying? You know. I was going to just call you a liar but it would have been to easy for you to just deny it. But here it is
>Hollywood's version if diversity is tokenism
Sorry but that IS diversity. There's no such thing as authentic diversity. There is only tokenism. And here you are so utterly brainwashed that for a good minute you'll defend racial tokenism until you have to admit it.

>>150260991
genuinely i've seen black dudes speak way more eloquently about dragon ball z of all things than i've seen this board try to rationalize even basic opinions, it's the strangest thing to see

>>150261163
The movie is not about the strong woman saving the day, it's about the family working together on equal terms to get out of a situation while fixing their broken relationship in the process

>>150261147
>huh what? You're replying to me? You're answering my question? I just plum don't understand.
Thanks for proving my real point just like the other one.

If we're on the subject of Disney then is there any reason why AIjeets are super obsessed with Disneyshit?

>>150257972
These people massively overthink this shit to an insane degree. Literal crazy people degree.

Kids want to buy the toy that looks really cool, has a cool helmet or a fun jetack. That's about it. Trying to tie in musings about libido and privilege is just overblown ranting from someone who has never even been around a kid before.

>>150261215
Scream LOUDER, daddy loves it!

>>150261131
Universal did that

>>150261186
You don't want to know how many DBZ reviews I've watched that have used the N-word.
More times than Vegeta has lost a fight, that's for sure.

>>150261238
>mask off moment

>>150261185

>There's no such thing as authentic diversity. There is only tokenism

So women and minorities have no reason to exist in art? Okay then

>>150261186
If anything I feel minorities don't want to always have stories that is just about them struggling, it makes them seem like a tragic race when there is so much more to culture than their struggles.

removing the IP counter was probably the worst thing to happen to this place in a while

>>150261186
When real discussions happen the very same people itt insisting everyone hates everything burst in to spam
>why do you care so much?!

>>150261265
>So women and minorities have no reason to exist in art? Okay then
Weird tangent but if you thought it'd scare me off it didn't. The fabled disneybpoject that will win back young men really should be devoid of women and non-whites.

>>150261306
So men hate women?
That's kinda gay

>>150261279
Hmmmm
Weird right?
Who did that?
Who had the power to do that?
What's their agenda?
What side of this issue are they on?

>>150261315
Oh jeez your energy totally deflated.

>>150261322
jannies and trying to hide the rapidly freefalling traffic of this website

>>150261337
Yeah cause you made me tired
I just wanna have sex with an angry feminist SJW rn. I'd want her to scream at me to check my privilege as I pound her fat ass

>>150261265
>women and minorities have no reason to exist in art?
Women can exist so long as they are attractive.
Minorities can have their quota fulfilled by attractive women.

>>150261194
It's about how replacing talent with AI is completely justified because apparently quality doesn't exist in filmmaking

>>150261186
As cheesy as it sounds, I think that's just the ultimate difference that's made when you actually cherish something in a way that really means a lot to you instead of looking at it through some kind of post-ironic lens like the vast majority of people here do nowadays. And on /co/ things are especially bad because a bafflingly high amount of weirdos here really don't seem to give a damn about comics or cartoons as visual and/or storytelling mediums, rather just wanting to completely disassociate as they stare at colorful images.

>>150261433
Why can't women and minorities exist on their own and stand on their own? Because God won't allow it? Because the times they did the movies sucked? Usually mainstream shit doesn't get it because they don't even try or they try too hard, that's why you should turn to more lower budget and foreign films for genuinely well made diverse shit that doesn't patronize and tokenize women and minorities

>>150261447
They wanna hurt people they don't like
I know for a while I hated women because of my bad relationship with my sister

>>150261265
>So women have no reason to exist in art? Okay then
Literally no, see Disney's twisted wonderland

>>150261585
There's a reason M/M takes over fanfiction. Even women hate women.

>>150257898 (OP)
>son does [thing]
>dad no like [thing]
>"when dad was young, dad did [other thing]"
>son sad
>marvel moment happens and son needs to save the world
>son combines [thing] with [other thing] to save the world
>dad proud
>well done son guy
>son troons out and has buttsex with dad

That's your "made for young white males" Disney movie

>>150257898 (OP)
How hard is it for modern Disney to make a proper hero's journey? Shonen does it. The '90s Disney Renaissance did it. Even the movies that failed, like Treasure Planet, later became cult classics. Enough with the fucking generation trauma stories, they fucking suck.

>>150257898 (OP)
how much money do I gotta pay to get a good movie but with zero shipping crap, romance is fagslop

>>150262134
>A Goofy Movie

>>150262177
It's not "hard". the people working creatively at the studios hate it.

>>150262134
>>150262199
How I remember it

Disney has spent the last 10 years actively purging anyone from their creative offices that knows how to appeal to young men and boys. Studio leadership, including the writing rooms, are full of women and feminized men who have internalized feminist messaging. Even if they were able to understand how to appeal to men, they have no willingness to do so because it directly contravenes their personal politics. They simply cannot do the work that Disney is demanding of them. They have to hire entirely new talent for this.

But the problem is the new talent will still be answerable to the old guard. Disney's not going to fire the feminists who ruined their boy brands. They're going to hire a bunch of man-whisperers and then force them to listen to idiot feminists who will ruin all of their projects the same way they ruined the old male franchises. These people fucking DESTROYED Star Wars as a brand. They are so toxic to male audiences they should not even be allowed in the same building where a male-focused project is being worked on.

>>150262220
Do you have any posts by any of the workers saying they hate the hero's journey?

>>150262507
That's funny cause even with the feminists working on their movies, Disney still censored them up the wazoo. So, kinda hard for me to take this idea that Disney is women led when they've been barely doing a good enough job appealing to the "woke"

>>150262507
I grew up with dreams of being one of these creatives. If they went on an explicit male-whisperer hiring spree I might be tempted to try my own hand. My portfolio is shit from years of waste though.
But I think you're right. Eloquently put. Whoever they hire n3xt will have one of these feminists as their boss and the same patterns that drove all the creative men out in the first place will just happen again.

>>150262609
>That's funny cause even with the feminists working on their movies, Disney still censored them up the wazoo.
Because Disney is laboring under the delusion that their feminist content is "for everyone". It isn't, it's for women, and men who wish they were women. Disney hires writers who only know how to create feminized entertainment then tries to edit the resulting feminist narrative in way to make it appeal to "all audiences" except there's basically nothing in the original story that would appeal to men, so watering down feminism doesn't magically make it for men.

>>150262670
So Disney is censoring feminist shit in an attempt to push feminism to be for everyone? How does that make sense?

Also why do you have feminine stories and characters? I thought you wanted more women to be feminine, and I thought you people thought feminism was anti feminine forcing every woman to be as manly as possible.

>>150262609
I've seen them but I do t have them. You'll just have to go ahead and not beleive me.
>Disney still censored them up the wazoo. So, kinda hard for me to take this idea that Disney is women led when they've been barely doing a good enough job appealing to the "woke"
This is just the primary issue at work. These people theyre pandering to do not like animation. They don't like fantasy. They think it's stupid and uncool. Nevertheless yeah disney is ram by women and their male pets because any man who doesn't bend over gets booted for being offensive to women. We can go over and over insisting it ain't so but over and over theyll keep making flops. Eventually they'll all lose their jobs if it goes on long enough. Idk what kind of "proof" is needed. I dont personally beleive anyone claiming to be incredulous is being honest. But if I were to take claims like that seriously there just is no proof. Theyll just have to keep losing money till they cant keep the lights on or finally just accept the obvious.

>>150262735
>How does that make sense?
It doesnt make sense. They have gone retarded because you must be retarded to beleive in what they beleive. Theyve all voluntarily had ideological lobotomies.
Like the legendary "dictionary definition of feminism" they all worship. Its not true. They pretend it's true. They act like it's true. Like the lost boys eating the imaginary food in Hook. They go "mmm yummy" while wolfing down empty plates.

>>150262609
>Disney still censored them up the wazoo
Because the test audience fucking hate it and Disney is forced to course correct only for the movie to bomb still.

>>150259560
WHAT ABOUT WONDER WOMAN WHY ARE YOU ERASING WONDER WOMAN GODDAMNIT

Bob iger will stand at a lecture in front of his investors, loudly and determinetaly declare "we have no agenda" and literally in the next sentence say he's dedicated to DEI.
Schrodinger's agenda. It's not true except when it's a good thing.

>>150262894
Because if they admit the good media industry was always progressive they cant make their point.

>>150262735
>So Disney is censoring feminist shit in an attempt to push feminism to be for everyone? How does that make sense?
A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. Packaging a moral message in terms the audience likes has been a tactic for Hollywood for a long time. Feminist messaging has been in Hollywood movies since at least the 1990s, but back then it was still acceptable to sell these ideas to men in sexy packaging. Before girlbosses we had "action girls" who did a lot of the same emasculating nonsense, except the action girl was still required to be conventionally attractive, and also usually had a male co-protag she would have to smooch at some point. You had a couple movies that didn't bother with a male co-protag, but they usually did a lot worse at the box office for it.

>Also why do you have feminine stories and characters?
I assume you meant "hate"? And the word is "feminized", not "feminine". The implication is one of deliberate shift from masculine (or neuter) toward femininity. Specifically, regarding male-dominated franchises like Star Wars, and Marvel, which even now are still predominately male, though the age for them now skews over 30 because Disney has totally lost the younger male audience (13-28 demo, AKA gen Z).

Disney has no shortage of female-oriented IPs with inherently feminine storytelling and characters. They don't need to feminize stuff that used to be male-centric and featured masculine heroes and masculine storytelling. But that's what they did. The result is stuff that fundamentally does not appeal to men.

>>150261489
Because I don't care

>>150261617
This, my mother thinks women should be erased from media and there should only be shippable guys

>>150261186
Dragon Ball is funny because the fact that it's stereotyped as being for blacks and browns means that the right-wing tradcath larpers don't bother touching it, but because it's an ultra-testosterone show about manly men beating the shit out of each other to find out who really has the biggest dick in the universe it also alienates the limpwristed left-wing crowd that needs everything to be blobby and slathered with pastel colors
It's the perfect middle ground where all the annoying retards stay away and the fanbase is genuine

>>150262798
Okay I gotta ask, since when it is a bad thing to market your work outside of your target audience? Isn't a good thing to get more of an audience onto your thing? People always talk about how alienating your audience is bad, but why do I have to only make stuff for my bubble?

>>150262934
Black Widow is still attractive. Honestly a lot of female lead movies I've seen posters and trailer for they all look glamorous in some fashion

>>150262981
>since when it is a bad thing to market your work outside of your target audience
Since the outsiders like literal diarrhea shit and it turns your work into literal diarrega shit your target audience will reject because they're not into that, see: everything right now

>>150263014
ScarJo is getting older, but is still pretty hot by most men's metrics. But sole female lead in an action film is a very tough sell to men, traditionally speaking. Look at Aeon Flux, or Salt, or even the Underworld movies. All had pretty attractive female leads in action roles, all were pretty niche movies not really runaway successes. They enjoyed what success they had largely because they featured an attractive woman in form-fitting attire. Well, Salt not so much, which is why it didn't do very good even by the standards of female-led action films.

You have to go back to the 80s with stuff like Terminator or Alien to find female-led action films that men hold in high esteem, except these films have more in common with monster or slasher films than action flicks. Terminator 2 is closer to a real action film, but by that point Sarah Connor had become a supporting character, young John and the Terminator himself had stolen the show. And I'd argue that in both Alien and Terminator it was the titular monster who was the real star of the film, with the female lead mainly being a survivor whose role was to narrowly escape horrible death for most of the movie before achieving a narrow victory at the end by use of her wits and no small amount of luck. A far cry from the later action girls of the 1990s and 00s, or the girlbosses of the '10s and '20s.

>>150262981
>since when it is a bad thing to market your work outside of your target audience?
When doing so comes at the expense of your target audience. Because you're basically wagering that any of your current audience you lose will be made up for in new audience. You can't guarantee any of the "new target" will actually show up let alone in enough numbers to justify the risk of alienating your existing audience. Sure, a devoted fanbase won't abandon you after one movie that snubs them, but do it enough times and they get fed up. Do it over a long enough time period and you miss out on attracting a new generation in the old target demo, leaving you with essentially no future for the work.

The gist is, Disney believed that they had the young male demo locked in, that nothing they do would make the men leave the reservation, so they could court the female audience all they wanted, even at the expense of making stuff specifically for the male audience. Turns out they were wrong.

>>150263220
The Dragon Age effect

>>150263337
>With EA bosses convinced that the nerd cave would spill out its denizens to any game with BioWare on the box, their philosophy became that "You didn't have to try and appeal to them. You had to worry about the people who weren't in the cave, which was the audience we actually wanted, which was much larger."

These people get paid millions to be retarded

>>150263337
It's definitely a related phenomenon of taking your audience for granted, but I think the AAA game industry is, if anything, even more deluded and out of touch than Disney executives. They both have the same tendency to externalize blame for failure and to double down on their ideologically driven choices, but companies like Bioware have an utterly deranged sense of entitlement to consumer attention and money. It's not that they are mistakenly confident, it's that they believe they are OWED attention and profit for their work.

>>150263438
Are they jews? Genuine question.

>>150263482
I have no idea. But given how entangled investment banking is with AAA game development these days, Jews aren't far from the problem.

>>150263427
They were probably looking at World of Warcraft while speaking these words not realizing Blizzard had spent 20 years cultivating a slave race. The closest analogy I have to WoWdrones is the black voter plantation run by the Democratic Party.

>>150261279
I'm convinced that change was mandated by the CIA because it was making it harder for them to do psy-ops on /pol/, and 4chan only survives by the protection of the US intelligence community

>>150263220
>The gist is, Disney believed that they had the young male demo locked in, that nothing they do would make the men leave the reservation, so they could court the female audience all they wanted, even at the expense of making stuff specifically for the male audience.
This is basically the entirety of western media for the last 10-15 years, and it's part of why everything and everyone seems so schizo nowadays.
Every retarded exec assumed that any male audience they had was "captured" and would continue to consume their shit forever, so they could endlessly expand and continue to "capture" new audiences as much as humanly possible to the detriment of their male audience.
Weirdly enough, you never really saw this happen to stuff aimed at women, no one was taking Disney princess movies and adding topless babes and explosions to make them appeal to men.

>>150263482
Bioware is fully Canadian.

>>150264082
So it's full of jeets?

>>150262981
I'm the anon you're asking
The loss in revenue speaks for itself. Market refrigerators to Eskimos if you want. These people don't want it. They don't want to watch and rewatch their movies. They don't want the merch they don't want the toy sna games and to visit the theme parks. They do t like it. You won't trick them into liking it. They will gladly press a like button but they will not give you their money.
Him and haw about whether it's true like it's a fucking mystery.

>>150264109
Not in leadership, no.

>>150262981
I'm starting to think that modern westerners genuinely do not understand the concept of a target audience.
This is such a retarded post that it's almost baffling, it's basically akin to asking
>"What do you mean people don't all like the same stuff?"

>>150263996
>>150263438
Yes it's this. The demo that made starwars a multi billion dollar IP for 30 years before Disney bought it. The people who made marvel and DC household names. All of it. They just assumed this group is stupid, and all they care about are "the cool kids". The cool kids don't like them. The cool kids only care about appearing cool. They a stupid. They are sheep who follow trends to follow trends and follow the next trend when it comes up. They aren't comitted and they don't care.
On the iterhand you have these other people who do care and our content creating oligarchs HATE them so much they get ulcers from it. They hate seeing them at conventions, in stores, online, in the theaters. They hate seeing them pull out fist fulls of cash from their tethered wallets and they mald uncontrollably when they pass over that money.
>yeah gimme an XXL for everyday and an xxxl to sleep in. Oh and I'll take that collector's edition statuette too.
They hate thats who likes them. They can't shut up about this group of people at their hooker and cocaine parties. They constsntly reassure each other that they dont personally like the ip lest they get accused of being in that group.
The joker2 was written and produced specifically so whats-his-face could get back into the parties.

>>150264546
They don't like reality. That they'll all be millionnaires if they suck up to nerds.

>>150264546
They don't understand target demo, and they also seem to fundamentally not understand how the entertainment business works.
>What do you meant I have to APPEAL to the audience?
>I make a thing they show up to watch it, that's how it works!

>>150260321
Stardust Crusaders is timeless.

>>150264546
Most of them these days make things exclusively for themselves and hope that it also resonates with a larger group of people. Sometimes it does.

>>150264546
It's the obviousness, and self-evident nature of the fact that men and women like different things that makes people think this shift is a top-down social experiment to force feminized shit onto the public and MAKE them like it. I think that's a little far fetchd cause at the end of the day most Hollywood producers only care about money and they'd only be convinced to do something if they believed sincerely it would make them more money.

So what I think is, if there is an ideological push for this stuff, it was done several levels removed from the actual movies and TV shows and video games, way way up in the financial investment firms. A trick to get them to push this shit at the investment level, which trickled down to companies that court investment money thinking that diversity and feminism were hugely popular moneymakers.

>>150264793
it's not that complicated. they simply got subsidized by the government since 2014 or so to include woke propaganda.

>>150264546
The internet has told me they like cute dancing anime girls.

>>150265114
Everyone likes cute anime girls

>>150258680
I think its okay to refuse any kind of work for ideological reasons. We used to call people men for doing it. Seems strange to not like that when people refuse to make the stuff you like based on ideological reasons. If some guy said "I don't want to make brown lesbian show #15, I want to make something different" I feel like you'd say "BAAAASED" or something.

>>150258816
Who made this loli shit? Let me check the credits...

>Cartoon network, Toei Animation, Aniplex, and TV TOKYO

OFFICIAL CARTOONETWORK LOLI ART?!

>>150265272
>I think its okay to refuse any kind of work for ideological reasons.
Right, that's pretty based.
But then you have to ideologically put the fries in the bag if you're making stuff that no one wants to watch.

>>150265315
You don't have to do that either, if you don't want to. If someone said "They wanted me to draw lolis, but I didn't like that, so I became a construction worker", I'd think masculinity was returning to this gay planet.

>>150265312
Never heard of Powerpuff Girls Z?

>>150265347
I'm only vaguely aware of it, I didn't know how Japanese this anime was before now. I assumed it'd be more child oriented, or is that considered child oriented for the Japs? I mean, it certainly is child oriented, but I mean "made for kids".

I've only seen one anime made for kids and it was this slice of life thing called Sugar and it was about faries. I don't remember any loli shit there.

>>150265394
>or is that considered child oriented for the Japs?
Japanese kid's show can get kind of freaky at times, yes.
Even these days.

>>150265631
would that professor

>>150265346
Faggot

>>150265114
everyone likes cute shit

>>150265272
It's not based if it goes against my ideology and supports shit I don't like. Imagine a tranny goes in and asserts "I'm gonna make a movie about trannys having sex for 2 hours" and doesn't listen to anyone. It's still shit

>>150265631
I keep forgetting puniru is a kid show. Kino as fuck regardless

>>150261233
because it's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

>>150258717
>that's one sexy little girl
quoth the namesake of Disney

>>150259274
Nixon coined the term 'media' in relation to the press. Because he (correctly) assessed the "press" no longer existed to report facts, but rather to sell narratives. He had to deal with an absolute deluge of biased hitpieces against him for the duration of his presidency; he was the first president to get the Trump treatment. Being called a blatant Nazi and racist and white nationalist and fascist and blah blah. blamed for Vietnam, accused of dogwhistling to segregationists, all the bile you can imagine.
funny, considering who preceded him as president.

>>150258407
the solution then is to invert the sexes. awkward loser guy suddenly finds himself in the middle of a love triangle with a tomboy werewolf and a lolibaba goth who quotes Victorian literature and sparkles in sunlight
66% female cast, chickflick

>>150265394
the actual show isn't nearly as raunchy. it's fairly common for home video releases of anime to include 'steamier' artwork to appeal to the periphery demographic, but the studios know that the only people buying home video releases are that periphery. 9 year old girls aren't collecting entire seasons of a cartoon they liked.

>>150261233
...or someone you never want around kids at all.

>>150258263
black guys identify with Goku, who transforms into an Aryan god
they don't care about what race a character is, they care about how cool and aspirational he is.

>>150266544
>It's still shit

Not to the audience who wants to see tranny porn. Which is apparently a lot of people (including you futa fags on here). But really, you just justified my position. You think "Based" = "what I like" and "shit" = what I don't like. Understandable, of course, but it leads to inconsistencies in your character. You'll say "Oh, so they just won't work on this because of their ideology?!" when it's people you don't like or support. Trannies, gays, whatever. But if a writer said "I didn't want to work on this because its anti white", you'll say "I'm glad he chose not to work on this based on his ideology. That's always a great thing :D"

Its a negative character trait whenever good or bad flips like that. You'd think a person would be consistent and say "its good to put your personal beliefs before all" or "art is art, but its also a job. you should just work on it and get a pay check even if you don't like it so that consumers can get something they do like."

>>150260756
>surface-level trappings of anime with the core underlying western writing problems remaining untouched
this is exactly what stuff like Castlevania did with their Netflix adaptation

>>150267261
I get that, I actually learned a bit of that in school (the general idea, not the "create raunchy to appeal to tertiaries") part. My main thing is that its perfectly fair and true to say "There's official cartoon network loli art of the powerpuff girls, and that's insane. Imagine hearing "Nickleodeon made official loli art of The Loud House. Like, the idea of the picture is supposed to be sexually stimulating". Blows my mind.

>>150267310
>Which is apparently a lot of people

>>150260991
Lion King. it is a story about the growth of a boy into a man. Bambi as well. those are my favourites. I also have a big soft spot for Fox & the Hound

... I swear I'm not a furry

>>150267349
Alucard getting fucked in the ass added character.
You just don't get it.

>>150267419
That's true, but not for the Castlevania Alucard.

>>150264546
No I get the idea of what a target audience is, it's just what if you're a woman, and you don't like womanly things?
I feel like I'm overthinking all this shit, and I can especially get how a lack of direction in what you're making your media for is what causes the media to be very mid and have no confidence in itself, but it sounds more like you guys want Disney to make shit for yourself rather than make shit for other people to enjoy. That's what has me lost in this whole shitshow of a thread; There are some good points about out of touch execs but it's mostly run by people who just hate women and minorities and wanna jerk off to anime porn. I mean I too wanna jerk off to anime porn so I just make my own porn and find anime porn to jerk off to.

My point is that I think target demos are not just "I'll just make what I like", I feel it's much more complex than that

>>150262199
there is indeed a large number of disaffected white men who very much adored a film that Disney disowned right out of the gate, yes. (I am one of them)

>>150265114
neck goblin

>>150266415
>>150265132
>doesn't know about Cute Aggression

>>150258472
>Now males can and will just make their own AI Kino.

I'm Indian by the way. In case you couldn't tell

>>150266569
Puniru isn't actually a kid show. the joke is that it is, because it runs in a sister magazine to CoroCoro (a very kiddy magazine; runs stuff like the Pokemon and Beyblade manga). but that sister magazine is specifically meant for teen boys rather than sub-12 boys.

>>150267489
>it's just what if you're a woman, and you don't like womanly things?
You watch things not aimed at woman?
What if you're black and you don't like "black" things?
You watch things not aimed at black people.
How is this such a hard concept for some people to understand?
>but it sounds more like you guys want Disney to make shit for yourself rather than make shit for other people to enjoy.
I personally don't care because I don't watch Disney shit anymore, but I think if they're wondering how they can "get back" gen Z males, they should probably make shit that gen Z males (or males in general) would want to watch.

>>150267386
You're so BTFO'd that you couldn't address anything except something related to tranny porn. I accept your surrender.

>>150267355
cartoon network wasn't really involved in the production. they licensed the series to Toei who made everything in-house.

it did get an English dub though, that did not air in the US and did not feature any of the actors from the American show.

>>150267578
What do YOU think gen z males like then?

As for your solutions, didn't Cartoon Network cancel Symbionic Titan because too many girls were watching it because it was supposed to be a guy show?

>>150263337
Oh shit, I actually never thought about that until now, the idea that Disney has their audience locked in so they can just go off course. I understand that, but I think franchises should be allowed to experiment. Thing is their idea of experimenting is trying too hard to be cool and hip.

>>150267618
>what do zoomer men like
2004 Teen Titans and FNAF

>>150267565
>because it runs in a sister magazine to CoroCoro
It runs in the web version of CoroCoro and literally has multiple jokes where it makes fun of the fact that there are probably some guys in their 20s reading this manga that runs in the online version of a kid's magazine.
It's not exactly something I'd say is for little 6-8 year olds, more like 9-12, right around that age where kids start losing interest in super kiddie shows and right before they move into the more "grown up" stuff aimed at teens.

>>150267618
>What do YOU think gen z males like then?

>>150267618
>What do YOU think gen z males like then?
I don't think you need to do anything special to appeal to gen Z males, I think the vast majority of them like the exact same stuff that any other guy did when he was in his late teens/early 20s, regardless of generation.
It's not hard to make things men like, but the western entertainment industry mostly seems interested in appealing exclusively to guys like you, guys who are (I presume) gay, or bi, or otherwise feminine, while every other guy is told to pound sand.
It's not that hard to make something a guy would like, but Hollywood is only interested in trying to dictate what men should like instead of appealing to men, so nothing will really change.

>>150267684
I was thinking about artstyles that everyone likes, and it seems everyone universally agrees that the Batman animated and Teen Titans art styles are the best artstyles, you might be onto something.

Jentry Chau actually has a very angular artstyle

>>150267763
But I thought you hated gays

>>150257898 (OP)
>we spent billions making madia designed by c*lifornians with overinflated egos who haven't seen anything outside SF/LA or interacted with people outside their extremely narrow ideological scope
>why is nobody consuming it
Truly a mystery

>>150267741
>20s
yeah.. 20s...

>>150267795
Sooooo are you gonna tell me WHAT the common guy likes?
And for the record, the shit I like is shit like Devilman, Scott Pilgrim, and Fritz the cat, so I'm not exactly THAT into a lot of modern popular stuff. I have been opening up to it since my friends got me to not take the internet so Goddamn seriously, but it takes a lot for me to REALLY get into something

>>150267807
Bruce Timm, you mean? 04 Titans isn't really done in that style, but yeah Timm basically defined what Batman (and and the JLA) should look like for a generation of people.

>>150259260
/a/-senpai...

>>150267868
Yeah I mean Bruce Timm
And no Derrick J Wyatt did Teen Titans

>>150267835
>Sooooo are you gonna tell me WHAT the common guy likes?
Good, well-choreographed action.
Gear porn (whether that be guns, cars, spaceships, swords, doesn't matter, just a decent focus on showing off the tech in a setting and showing how it functions in detail).
Attractive women (can mean lots of things, men's taste can vary wildly in this regard, but it's important that the hot women have attractive faces at least, doesn't need to be covered in makeup, but does need to have some natural beauty)
Emotional moments centered around some form of overcoming adversity, as in actual adversity, not something lame like a gay urbanite kid coming to terms with his homosexuality and learning to be himself™
Less gay focus in general, I know people here don't like to hear this, but gen Z is much less white than previous generations, and most non-white men aren't receptive towards homosexuality, even the DL hood black types who suck dick on weekends try to keep that under wraps.

>>150260270
>I mean, I'm black
Post hand, Chet.

>>150267807
Gen Z is gay

>>150267918
So Motorcity?

>>150267918
I'm surprised I got a genuine answer, thank you.
I can even agree with stuff being less gay. Not because I'm against homosexuality, but because I want stories to be less preachy and mopey and more honest and empowering.

I think most gay shit sucks because they're trying to give them the least amount of struggles, that's why movies like Love lies bleeding is one of the best movies I've ever seen because it stars two lesbians who are frankly monsters.

>>150258405
>you might not be aware of this, but white men are not exactly an overwhelming demographic amongst young people.

so the only reason i'm bringing this post back is to point out the shit ass world view this reflects. and its not this:>>150258707 exactly.

Its the misassignment or conflation, depending on where you come in on the topic, that the immutable characteristic of that character means that it must be meant for that group to the exclusion of others. and to them its both sides of the coin; either for maximum bigotry if its white men, and maximum authenticity when its anything else.

It never occurs to people with this world view that overlap is not only possible, but the rule. For something supposedly without representation alot of non-whites sure did love the original star wars before those current modern audience fucks came along.

>>150267918
>most non-white men aren't receptive towards homosexuality, even the DL hood black types who suck dick on weekends try to keep that under wraps.


signed, Snoop

This is what Gen Z males want

>>150267310
Things I and the people like me like need to be made, things you and the people like you like need to be blocked and-if any manage to slip through the cracks and get made anyway-terminated with prejudice. You and the other slimy interloper wokescolds made it clear that live and let live is no longer possible, so fuck it, it's war to the knife now.

>>150257898 (OP)
>where a white men is not constantly outshined,

Don't give us this /pol/-tard bullshit.

>>150267971
I'll be honest, I don't think it's possible for Disney to appeal to males at this point.
Not only have they never really been much of a brand for males, but when they went out and bought male-oriented properties they ruined them all and turned them either into shit or shit aimed at women and gay guys.
Plus, cartoons in general are facing an uphill battle when it comes to appealing to young men these days, they've spent the last decade scrubbing out all of the things young men would like about cartoons and trying to appeal exclusively to gays and women (and gay women). Put simply, webm related is the modern cartoon audience, this is what most people think of now when they hear about an adult who watches cartoons, because this is the audience they've cultivated.
And at this point, I think it's too late to break away from that, especially when it comes to adults.

>>150268041
I haven't seen much media where white men are outshined. Sure there is media out there where they make fun of the traditional man, but there is a lot of media out there that celebrates the traditional man

>>150261347
And samefagging. All a person needs to do to keep a shit thread up is argue with themselves now.

I'm not reading this whole thread but I am excited for the new Tron even if leto is in it

>>150257972
George takes are woke by 70's standards, the Carl Jung (the based alternative to Freudian faggotry) influence just shines through his work, it's about a blond farmer becoming a knight, making peace with his father, it's about having strong male role models and about an intrusive state being a bad thing; modern day leftards don't understand what authoritarian states are like they really do think "it's only bad when the other party does it" and they have a problem with strong male role models too (feminist dogma is female=victim so having a strong male character as a role model defeats the "necessity" of feminism because a man is no allowed to be anything other than an obstacle)

>>150268053
You will never be a real woman.

>>150268049
Oh yeah, I remember there being Star wars nail polish and Marvel makeup kits. Fuck off, Marvel and Star wars has become so broad that they market to both genders. I haven't seen a Star Wars thing acknowledge Rey since the trilogy ended and Marvel still makes shit with male leads.

Haley's on it was cancelled and Kiff and Big City Greens are cartoons for both make and demographics with how it's about both genders hanging out.

>>150268099
>Haley's on it was cancelled and Kiff and Big City Greens are cartoons for both make and demographics with how it's about both genders hanging out.
Bro, those are kid's shows.
Most grown ass men (AKA the majority of gen Z) don't give a fuck about kid's shows, not even kids care about kid's shows anymore.

>>150261186
wow so not even disney's targeted audience are interested in their attempts to appeal to them

>>150268038
you must be 18 or older to post here

>>150268157
Are we Disney's targeted audience?
If so, they fucking suck at actually understanding what specific audiences like.

>>150268133
But I feel their TV shows being for both demographics shows that Disney isn't all women shit.

But you have a point about Gen Z being mostly adults, I just can't bring myself to see how Star Wars and Marvel have become a girls only club. I guess Brave new world was about Captain America getting buck broken by a girlboss and Thunderbolts was about a bunch of manchildren getting pegged by Anita Sarkesian

>>150258014
>a 9-year-old with hamplanet thighs
It's called Rosebuds and it's based for that.

>>150267835
>>150267918
>Gear porn
>Attractive women

>>150268157
Disney panders to black people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54hH0Q71Vvc

I mean with Black panther and now Captain America, I guess?? But not everything they make is pure black

>>150267918
>Gear porn (whether that be guns, cars, spaceships, swords, doesn't matter, just a decent focus on showing off the tech in a setting and showing how it functions in detail).

it doesn't even need to be gear, it could be just describing something, anything, with the scrutinizing eye of a specialist and professional. Any 'this fucker knows whats up' scenario that the hero needs to move the story forward.

>>150268210
A Lauren Faust version of this show would go hard
Like imagine DC superhero girls but they all have guns

>>150268192
>I just can't bring myself to see how Star Wars and Marvel have become a girls only club
You are a disingenuous worm and no one will mourn your death.

>>150268242
And you're a poopy head

>>150268192
>But I feel their TV shows being for both demographics shows that Disney isn't all women shit.
It's mostly for women, again, most grown men don't give a fuck about kid's shows.
>I guess Brave new world was about Captain America getting buck broken by a girlboss and Thunderbolts was about a bunch of manchildren getting pegged by Anita Sarkesian
Brave New World was about a guy who, frankly, is extremely corny.
Falcon is fucking corny, people don't want to admit it, but a lot of these superhero movies nowadays flop because they're fucking corny and lame.
I re-watched The First Avenger recently and it's insane how much better that movie is at displaying the male power fantasy (which was the main point of superheros) than any of these modern movies, it's fucking criminal how badly Disney dropped the fucking ball when it comes to Marvel.

>>150268256
Your parents will bury you under your real name.

>>150268263
Wasn't Captain America always corny? And I mean the endearing kinda corner that is about empowering one's self because being a righteous superhero is righteous and stuff.

>>150268289
Captain America is, but not Captain Falcon.

>>150268287
You have a good relationship with your family?
Hard to tell

>>150259176
YWNBAJ

>>150267918
>Gear porn (whether that be guns
You know I'm surprised there isn't a cartoon about guns I thought you americans are proud of your guns?
>>150268240
So something like this?

>>150268300
But that anon said Falcon is corny and not Captain America. So which is it?
And what did he mean by corny?

>>150268289
Superheros were always somewhat corny, but in an actual "endearing cornball" kind of way, not the modern "this guy seems like a whiny faggot" kind of way.
Steve Rogers in The First Avenger was not a whiny faggot, when push came to shove he was always willing to man up and do what he needed to do without having to take time out to bitch at the villain over some dumb bullshit.

>>150257898 (OP)
>Don't put LGBT characters, not "coded" none of that shit, everybody is straight
>Guy could just be white skin black hair, most of the world (that matters) would probably be okay with that
>girl characters are fine, just don't sneak dumb jabs at "patriarchy" or "western beauty standards" people roll their eyes at that shit. In and out of Western countries by the way.
That's it, it really is that easy.

>>150268311
There were, in the Before-Times. Not anymore, now that Millennial women and their obsequious simps have taken over the industry and shut everyone else out.

>>150268320
I haven't seen even Brave new world, but I hear the Falcon show is trash. I'm more interested in Brave new world because the plot looked interesting. Not sure how Falcon is a whiny bitch in that one, seems like it's about him getting his act together.

>>150268311
>I thought you americans are proud of your guns?
The kind of Americans who make cartoons these days are the exact opposite of the kind of Americans who are into guns.
The Americans who like guns and are actually artistically-inclined pretty much exclusively work in video games these days.

>>150268322
So every isekai ever made?

>>150268311
I think I know what to pitch to adult swim

>>150268343
You know women can like guns too

>>150257898 (OP)
anime won
/thread

>>150268371
Then what does that mean for me, a western artist? Should I just move to Japan and make anime and manga instead?

>>150268379
Oh god no, that would be the last thing we need more of, western artists would just (further) taint anime and manga and make them just as shitty, lame, and gay as modern cartoons and comics.

>>150268303
My parents actually care about me. Meanwhile, "Lilith", I'm guessing you went no contact with your parents because they wouldn't give you enough narcissistic supply.

>>150258137
>and Kingdom Hearts

Kingdom Hearts is rightfully DYING. The flaws the series has amassed throughout the years are monumental...

- Horrible writing which damages the characters and story. Flaws include bad ideas like reviving dead characters which removes all the tension in any given story. When Mickey Mouse saw the King die in Prince and the Pauper he died and he stayed dead, none of that "And then with bad writing he comes back to life!"

- Unreliable gameplay quality. Some games are good and others are shoddy and disappointing to go through. There's good reason most fanatics say only Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 have decent gameplay.

- Ran out of GOOD Disney movies to turn into worlds. No one cares about shit like seeing Frozen in Kingdom Hearts and fuck you for lying just in case. Disney has been making a lot of shitty movies that no one really would like to see in Kingdom Hearts. Disney Movies are filler in Kingdom Hearts and making that mandatory filler based on SHITTY movies that people aren't nostalgic for is going to be a problem eventually.

Kingdom Hearts 4 is the newest game and its bound to sell badly. Too many old fans are burned out due to bad quality for too many years. Kingdom Hearts has a lot in common with Nickelodeon's Avatar in that after so many years of BAD sequels people don't care about Avatar anymore. And because the brand has taken such a hit young people have no interest in these exhausted low quality franchises. Kingdom Hearts 4 should sell quite horribly.

I think that Disney is already pretty well set to get men on board once Hulu is incorporated into Disney+ desu

>>150268379
Just start a Patreon and make something you really like. Stop chasing corporate slop.

>>150268410
Why would more girlboss slop and movies that would never be made by the people in charge today entice them?

>>150268403
So what the fuck am I supposed to do as a western artist?

>>150268404
Actually I'm a succubus, my sister is Morrigan who has bigger tits than me, and while I am envious, I take pride in my fat ass

>>150268444
People who are into CBT I guess

>>150268422
I do have a patreon, I just don't know how to shill myself without sounding like a greedy cringelord

*siiiiiiiiiiiip*

>>150268451
Thanks for confirming you're an autogynephile.

>>150268451
>So what the fuck am I supposed to do as a western artist?
I dunno.
Get some other kind of job or hope that western studios stop being retarded.
Maybe shill yourself to Glitch or something so you can work on their Youtube slop.
Or >>150268422

>>150268473
And you don't like to imagine yourself with tits? Coward

>>150268371
>>/a/

>>150268490
No, because I'm not a mentally sick degenerate.

>>150268477
I thought about applying to Glitch, shit I even thought about pitching ideas to Glitch, I just need direct directions to show me what exactly I'm supposed to do to convince them to make a slice of life series amongst their crazy late teens series.

>>150268509
Where the fuck do you think you are if you think you're not a degen?

>>150268451
>>150268473
i like to remind myself that low-functioning autists don’t have a sense of sarcasm

>>150268537
Dude nothing goes over my head, I go out of my way to get hit in the face because I live for the pain

>>150258137
Dude I'm sorry but Rocketeer was never going to be a success for Disney. The movie has nothing that would entice anyone. Its just some guy who flies around with a jet engine on his back. He doesn't fight interesting villains either. When you make something based on an old property it would greatly help if said old property was you know.....good. There's a reason even to this day people still like the story of the Twelve Labors of Hercules. Its cool to see Hercules being put on trial and tested with mythical tasks. Some guy who flies around is lame. Lamer than Icarus flying around and finding his doom for flying irresponsibly.

The point is Rocketeer is lame. There's a good reason people don't give a fuck about Rocketeer for many decades while Zorro on the other hand, which Disney also did adapt, is fondly remembered with nostalgia. Granted these old pulp characters aren't respected anymore and Disney is full of Leftist hacks but yeah the first thing you need is a good concept and Rocketeer is not it even if you're too prideful to admit it.

>>150268537
>"Haha, I'm not a tranny! ... You know, unless..."
Fuck off. Go find an actual lesbian to force your estrogenized cock and balls on.

>>150257898 (OP)
they talk about movies but here's the thing: the specific demo theyre seeking could literally NOT care less about tv/movie slop. film is unironically a niche medium atp, just like theatre.
they get their entertainment from vidya, tiktok/yt shorts, streaming, and anime.
they have experimented with some of these before if im not mistaken, so imo it's just a matter of pivoting their focus to those, while also.. yknow, not alienating their target audience with wokeshit and what not.

>>150268583
*beats the melanin out of your skin*
Hm? HRMMM?

>>150268624
What would I kill for an Arc system Disney fighter staring Sora

>>150258852
>masculine

Hell no. Lets drop the delusion. Kingdom Hearts is not masculine. The dialogue alone can easily be confused as homosexual like how often men talk about how they feel about their feelings and hearts. Even the scene with Saix "dying" felt gay like how he confessed he was desperately jealous that Axel ditched him. I can assure you men don't relate and speak like that. And then you have things like Axel's "death" where he explains how emotionally happy he felt when near Roxas. Come on this is gay.

Square Enix has done male characters dying before and only Kingdom Hearts has that Gay Vibe thing. Even freaking effeminate twinks like Kuja in Final Fantasy had a justly masculine death (in the middle of his final words he gets interrupted because he drops dead incapable of finishing the discussion). Kingdom Hearts is very much yaoi bait incarnate. Not even Final Fantasy 15 which is a Bros On The Road Story as a theme felt gay like Kingdom Hearts does.

>>150268371
Stfu weebtroon

>>150268200
She’s actually fat

>>150268221
Ah, that's a different type. It's competence porn which requires the writer to have that same technical knowledge so good luck with that.

>>150259549
>Sad that so many people seem to have a problem with this.

I do have a problem with celebration of heterosexual romances because everything you idiots pretend is a good romance is actually a toxic one. Female Characters behave in inhuman ways.

You mentioned Kingdom Hearts Kairi being a teenage girl who stays loyal for a year while the boy she likes is away from his home world is utter bullshit. That bitch would have been cheating so fast its not even funny. And don't get me started on other bad Disney romances like Naveen and Eugene because you know what these dudes would be rejected by women its only because they are in kids movies that they find True Love despite having nothing going on, hell they're not even employed. Yeah right women falling in love with bums, what a nice farce.

I hate romance because it's always been a lie. I feel sorry for boys who grow up on such unrealistic shit. No wonder the divorce rate is so high and the hilarious bit is that its WOMEN divorce raping men most of the time. These men who probably also grew up on the GOOD Disney movies no less. Fuck humanity and fuck you for celebrating lies.

>>150257898 (OP)
They should embrace lolicon

>>150258263
The complaint he means is that White Countries are denying making Competent Straight White Males.

Go to other nations and they got no issues making their male characters capable and intelligent. White Nations are the ones worldwide with this Cultural Problem that has been created by Shitty Jews. And fun fact in case you don't know DISNEY is owned by Jews. Nothing is ever going to get better the Jews will rot Disney until its death. While Walt Disney himself is not a symbol of masculinity what the Jews are doing using his company is more revolting.

>>150268729
More cushin for the pushing.
She also has an absolute huge ass.

>>150257898 (OP)
>Disney would have to fire a lot of their old guard and hire new people

no

>>150268784
They're half way there with Disney Jr.

>>150258494
Lying of course none of these companies give a fuck about making amends to men. Any man who supports these companies deserves to be insulted by their media and shat on.

>>150257898 (OP)
They should adapt Storm of Steel into a movie

>>150268774
fictional girls are supposed to be cute not realistic, fucking retard. stop projecting.

>>150268997
And the deception does not help the mental growth of a boy who will eventually become a man.

And what I find most annoying besides shitty enablers like you is all the trashy liberals complaining about Disney Romance Harms Girls because society only cares when shitty vaginas are maybe harmed. Dudes? Who cares throw them to the wolves. And then these shit heads from society hate men because they had no choice but to grow up disillusioned and betrayed.

We need more movies that tell young males that women are slutty shit who will betray your trust and try to steal your cash using divorce court. That there is no shame in hating women because we know women don't care about men. Use them for sex if you can and then throw them in the trash. And if you have a problem with that? You are shit.

>>150258324
nu-wars would be vastly improved if every single character was replaced by demoman

>>150262894
Who

>>150267835
>Sooooo are you gonna tell me WHAT the common guy likes?
male character doing action, fighting and defeating bad guys and rescuing damsels.
You know like all media started out that has been remaked/reimagined and sequelized to death.

>>150268053
>I haven't seen much media where white men are outshined.
lol you don't watch much modern media.
Endgames ending and everything MCU related was simply that in fact the most recent f4 ended with the males failing and being usless so that two women (one getting gender swapped as well) saving the day and beating up the bad guy, all of arcane only depicted women as tough fighers and heroes while white men were all depicted as weak, crippled villains, castlevania, modern star wars, etc

>>150268214
Disney has been emasculating and trying to replace Peter Parker with a black guy for over a decade now.

>>150268038
>so fuck it, it's war to the knife now.
Its a war you lost before you could even draw the knife, and that's exclusively because you aren't a creative at all. I highly doubt anything I make would be tolerated by "wokescolds"; my media is and always will be filled with women that are treated like men. That is to say, women are going to get the shit beaten out of them like men do, they'll have the same ups and downs that men do, and do to the nature of my world, no one will even question it.

On the other hand, your media doesn't exist because you do not have the will to make it exist. You're fighting a war, but not only do you not have a knife, you don't have the desire or courage to hold one up.

>>150268451
>So what the fuck am I supposed to do as a western artist?
Try to tough it out and make your own independent, original shit. The biggest concern is that the little guy won't have much reach of visibility when compared to the big guy, but honestly, I don't think I need that kind of reach or visibility anymore. Seems like modern networks don't have as much visibility anymore, and they're likely to shove retarded ideas into your works.

>>150269471
lol you are so retarded.
before 2014 the majority of fantasy/scifi action stuff was not woke, it was exactly what people want to return to.

>>150269705
Your response doesn't seem to have much to do with my response. Maybe I misunderstood because you wrote several emotionally charged run on sentences? My point is you won't see a return to your media because you don't have the will to see it return. You have the "want", but not the "will". As for your 2014 media talk, I agree; I never said people actually want woke stuff. Do you even know my point?

>>150268451
>So what the fuck am I supposed to do as a western artist?
copy old stuff that worked like lord of the rings or 70s oto 80s spider-man comics but with your own original universe and character.

>>150269731
your repsonse makes no sense and it not worthy of deeper engagement since you are out of touch

>>150269750
Fortunately, his ilk have made themselves utterly hated by a great many normalfags.

>>150258014
>I for one think it's funny that if you take a "girlboss" but make her a 9-year-old with hamplanet thighs suddenly it's LE BASEDBASEDBASED CUNNY UOOOHHHHHH
Not really, you'll have a vocal minority here posting about how they want to fuck her or whatever (despite western cartoons having zero sex appeal) but most people still find that kind of character obnoxious. Like outside of the circlejerks here Lisa is probably the least popular character in the main Simpsons cast, and that's including the baby.

>>150268774
anon people tend to try to copy how fictional characters behave to some extent.
honestly women were far less crazy and mean spirited in the past and feminism and woke media plays a role into it.
it has created this image in the head of many women that being straight up abusive and mean to men is not only ok but the right thing to do and payback for some imagined crime of the past.
more media with girls just being cute and supportive of men would help in countering that.

>>150269750
>>150269758
You're supposed to wait a little longer before you samefag yourself. It helps to type differently, too.

>>150269848
you are out of touch and in the minority.
same reason why Trump won, loser.

>>150269859
>I can use inspect element/photoshop!
Cool!

>same reason why Trump won, loser.
Another reason why I think you have to be same fagging: nothing I've said implies Trump's victory effects me. No one would agree with you because your comments miss the mark. So, 0 for 2 there. Of course, I'm talking to someone who has to samefag for validation, so I guess the whole conversation is useless.

>>150268038
>Things I and the people like me like need to be made, things you and the people like you like need to be blocked and-if any manage to slip through the cracks and get made anyway-terminated with prejudice.

Did you drop some punctuation somewhere, or...? I've been trying to decipher this like it was some hieroglyphics or something.

>>150270048
cope

Gen Z men watch Skibidi Toilet instead

>>150270744
based brownchad