Thread 106331922

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>106325974

>News & Rumors
Microsoft Windows 11 24H2 update may cause SSD failures; DRAMless SSDs are more vulnerable.
If you have a potentially vulnerable SSD, revert Windows update, disable automatic Windows update, & use Registry Editor to set 64 MB HMB allocation policy (or disable HMB).
https://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-latest-windows-11-24h2-update-breaks-ssdshdds-may-corrupt-your-data/

RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

Thinking about replacing my motherboard, CPU and RAM. Any suggestions for a relatively cheap replacement that I can expect to last for awhile? I've been using this setup for probably 10 years at least now minus the CPU (980 Ti) dying.

No ASRock as they have fucked me in the past and I refuse to ever buy them again

so t30 140mm still delayed?

>>106332102
ryzen 7 9700x
msi B850 tomahawk
2x16gb 6000cl30 ram

>>106332102
you can probably find something on facebook marketplace or some refurbished business computer that smokes that 12 year old system you have.

>>106332126
What does the CL30 stand for? That's not a term I remember being around back when I was more into hardware, also $130 for just the RAM seems a bit high end for somebody asking for a relatively cheap replacement doesn't it? That whole setup you listed is around $600-700 for 3 components lol

>>106332146
Sorry I'm gay so I don't like the idea of refurbished hardware

Reminder Crystal disk is dead to me.
>>106329287
>>106329450
>>106330376
Crystal disk sold out and has ads now. There are free disk benchmarks and SMART tools without ads. Should of known the nip would eventually sell out.

>>106332188
Foss bros were right. The only way to have good software for eternity is to have it be open sores

>>106332160
used amd 5800x $120
used b550 motherboard $100
used 32GB 3600mhz ddr4 $50 or $60

Enjoy your poverty build.

Why is the 14600K cheaper than the 13600K?

>>106332102
B550 and R7 5700x as a budget system that will be decent for a while. can get a 5600x, 3600, or 3500x(6c/6t china/aliexpress exclusive) for a CPU instead depending on level of poverty. I wouldn't go any older. I would also get at least a 5000 if you can. If you have enough money just follow the suggestion in the thread, they aren't bad.
I remember my 3570K fondly.

>>106332188
rsync with --info=progress2

https://www.amazon.ca/Silicon-Power-UD90-NVMe-SP01KGBP44UD9005/dp/B0B217LZBG?th=1
Is it worth it to pay an extra $20 for a Samsung or Western Digital instead of this?

>>106332151
I'm not sure where you're getting your prices since cl30 ram is only $85. Cl30 is the cas latency rating of the ram where lower at the same speed rating is better
Anyway this is the minimum viable build for under $500
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r2rpZJ

>>106332260
Alright, thank you

Is the SN850X affected by the Win11 SSD killing update?

>>106332250
Kinda, You want to at least get a real brand like Sandisk , crucail or even Kingston if you dont want to go all the way up to a Sammy or WD.

I would avoid SP, Lexar, Teamgroup and especially the chinkshit like Kingspec.
I'm not sure if Orinco is good.

>>106332274
No, Its drives with Phison controllers mostly.

>>106332102
looks fine. why even bother with upgrading

>>106332228
*((*(++i))++)

>>106332291
It's not a prison problem.
WD drives save for the newest SNxxxx series are affected too

>>106332274
It doesn't look like it but I'm waiting for updates. I got lucky with my SN770 somehow last time this happened.
https://www.nichepcgamer.com/archives/windows11-24h2-issue-with-writing-to-the-ssd-is-this-caused-by-kb5063878-kb5062660.html

>>106332151
>What does the CL30 stand for? That's not a term I remember being around back when I was more into hardware
What >>106332260 said.
>also $130 for just the RAM seems a bit high end for somebody asking for a relatively cheap replacement doesn't it? That whole setup you listed is around $600-700 for 3 components lol
Do you live near a MicroCenter?
https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/default.aspx
If so your best bet is probably one of their CPU/Mobo/RAM bundles. If not probably the most CPU you can get for your money right now is the 14600K since Intel is heavily discounting CPUs to preserve market share from stiff competition from AMD. Performance benchmarks:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/27.html
It'll also let you use a cheap LGA 1700 board w/cheaper DDR4 RAM than newer DDR5 RAM without much if any performance penalty.
PCPartPicker Build List (picrel): https://pcpartpickre.com/list/Qcv4Lc
I included a cheap tower cooler and most performance CPUs these days from AMD/Intel no longer ship with a stock (those cheap bastards).

>>106332217
>Why is the 14600K cheaper than the 13600K?
They are functionally the same chip but since the 14600K is "newer" there is probably just more stock of it available so it's cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0szGK1gFw
HDTVTest Vincent seems pretty excited about the new ultra-high refresh rate glossy tandem WOLEDs.

>>106332385
>Do you live near a MicroCenter?
No, and i work night shift so even if I did they would be closed.
You don't think I'd regret going DDR4 instead of DDR5 in the future? I never upgraded the RAM on this current build purely because DDR4 came out around the same time

how is the xg27acs actually pretty reasonably priced when other rogshit is retard bait

>>106332434
>You don't think I'd regret going DDR4 instead of DDR5 in the future? I never upgraded the RAM on this current build purely because DDR4 came out around the same time
Nah, not with Intel because their Ring Bus architecture that connect all the cores together for their CPUs is not very sensitive to RAM speed. It would be a slightly different story for AMD.

>>106332437
They're covering the whole value spectrum. They offer a strippy model with lower margin just to keep people in their brand ecosystem. Budget people who might go witgh budget brand might stretch a few bucks and go for the "premium" ROG. It's like how car makers offer stripped out no option models, and those are usually the best value

>>106332473
Word, thanks for the advice. I probably won't get everything right away but how are companies with sales nowadays? Is it worth waiting specifically for a good sale or am I only like to save a couple of bucks?

After about 6 hours I finally got new pc built and os installed. But now the front panel type c on the case only does power and not data, I don't know how to turn off the ram rgb (trident neo), and I don't know where I can find which usb-A ports go directly to the cpu (asus x870e board)

>>106332481
CPUs get cheap right around the 1-2 year mark after it's released
Motherboards only become cheap once the chipset is outdated and has been replaced by a newer version (e.g. b850 to b650)
Ram/storage pricing is cyclical and ram has only gone cheaper over the last 24 months. As always, they may come up with some excuse to randomly jack up prices by 2x at anytime so now is a good time to buy ram

>>106332513
>But now the front panel type c on the case only does power and not data
Sounds like a cable issue. Try a different one

>>106332481
>Word, thanks for the advice. I probably won't get everything right away but how are companies with sales nowadays? Is it worth waiting specifically for a good sale or am I only like to save a couple of bucks?
You may get 50-80$ off realistically best case for everything combined. If aren't really hard up to buy right away and can stick it out until the 2-3 weeks before Black Friday in November there's good deals to be had when they start posting them (don't wait for the actual day of because the advance sales get scooped up in the days before). To give you an idea, PCBuilder Jason does monthly CPU & GPU market price breakdown vids and here's how sales went last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mAIrGnToc4&list=PL30pfjH1BVN9ryhX9x_kWPie2iKzDy1Tn&index=12

Otherwise, if that doesn't seem like a very big discount worth your time now is still a good time to buy and enjoy at the moment since prices went down during Amazon Prime Day but never bounced back up like they usually do.

Should I be worried about QC when it comes to KTC? I’m thinking of buying their 4k miniled monitor.

>>106332528
>>106332548
Awesome, really appreciate the advice

>>106332570
I got two of their monitors recently and they've been good. No dead pixels, good build quality. But realistically, yeah you should have some level of concern. They're still a newer brand right

>>106332598
Still deliberating if the want outweighs my current need but I’ll think it over. I’m just hoping that decent miniled monitors come out sooner than later, especially with better high resolution refresh rates.

>>106332570
Nah. Dead pixels and the like are gonna be unknown risk regardless of the brand of monitor you buy (they all use the same 2-3 panels and just re-badge them with different overdrive tuning). When you get one and put through the paces:
https://deadpixeltest.org/
And if you got one that had issues just send it back.

>>106332604
>I’m just hoping that decent miniled monitors come out sooner than later, especially with better high resolution refresh rates.
Here's the constantly updated list of announced/released 2025 MiniLED dispalys:
https://www.displayninja.com/new-monitors/#UpcomingMiniLEDMonitors
Honestly nothing left to release looks too exciting and won't be much different spec-wise than the KTC M27P6 1152 Zone 4K@160Hz IPS w/1080p 320Hz Dual Mode. I kinda doubt anyone's gonna beat them on pricing either @ $450 after promo code.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F7Q8ZWLY/?th=1
Though at this price you have to ask if it's worth it for 4K MiniLED over 1440p@240Hz OLED for roughly the same price.

>>106332659
I’m looking more towards the 4k model simply because 1080 looks better when switching from 4k compared to 2k, no? I also do prefer 27” personally as my current monitor is currently the same size as the one I mentioned.
>Honestly nothing left to release looks too exciting and won't be much different…
Mostly referring to next year’s possible releases. I’m not too well versed in monitor technology myself but I just want to get good gaymin performance and media consumption out of a monitor that’ll be put to work for at least 5 years.

>>106332706
>I’m looking more towards the 4k model simply because 1080 looks better when switching from 4k compared to 2k, no?
> I just want to get good gaymin performance and media consumption out of a monitor that’ll be put to work for at least 5 years.
Correct, whole integer scaling is always better. Though I will say that the color/contrast/motion of a 27" 1440p OLED more than makes up for the weird resolution/scaling especially since 4K MiniLED doesn't really have much (if any) price advantage to lean on. If you already have an alright LCD you can use for desktop work and then the OLED for video/gaming would be ideal (you can VESA mount both on monitor arms for $20/each for easy transition between them).
>Mostly referring to next year’s possible releases. I’m not too well versed in monitor technology myself but I just want to get good gaymin performance and media consumption out of a monitor that’ll be put to work for at least 5 years.
No way to know this far out, 2026 monitor will be showcased at CES in Januaray w/maybe some leaks in late Nov/Dec. Otherwise we're in the dark.

update from the yesterday's 9070xt hellhound buyer anon , the ones we have here are also are OC thank you so much anons it has a good building quality will undervolt it and adjust its fan curves later in the day

>>106332250
Yes, UD90 not only is dramlet, it's also 100% QLC at 4TB and 50-50 QLC in the other size and you can't know until you unpack and use it.
It's both dogshit and a scam
Avoid
>>106332291
I can't speak personally for it but the lexar nm790 seems to have solid perfs for a dramlet drive
>No, Its drives with Phison controllers mostly.
It's drives without DRAM in general
Phison is the first manufacturer that came out about:"Yes, something happened and we don't know yet"

>>106332339
Same, i have a SN770 too and didn't know about that hbm issue.
Didn't even updated it's firnware until yesterday.
Not using as a game drive but only as OS drive and some other small files archive probably helped not causing issues

>>106332752
I'm still worried about pixel death on OLEDs, along with cost since I play a good bit of games with HUDs but if I were to get a ~$500-700 OLED I might just go with an ASUS 240hz. I think I won't regret it.
>No way to know this far out, 2026 monitor will be showcased at CES in Januaray w/maybe some leaks in late Nov/Dec. Otherwise we're in the dark.
Just how it is. Hopefully when miniLED (and possibly microLED lol) matures further it gives people options in the future.

Is it worth paying 60 dollars extra for a 5060ti compared to the 9060xt(both 16 gb), my main concern is compatibility with games.

>>106333141
get 5070 instead

>>106332706
>because 1080 looks better when switching from 4k compared to 2k, no?
Kind of, if we assume you're doing naive nearest neighbor scaling, which isn't practically realistic. Maybe if the monitor uses it by itself when fed a 1080p signal, but that's not a given. In more practical scenarios if we're talking about video games you will vastly prefer something like DLSS for upscaling whether it's 1080p > 1440p or 1080p > 2160p because it has far better quality. For video playback your player is also almost certainly going to do a better job than nearest neighbor too. This supposed advantage only really applies if the monitor is doing the scaling, because lots of built-in scaling in monitors is awful and if you feed it a divisor of its native resolution then you can hope it will use nearest neighbor / integer scaling rather than something blurrier, but again this is not a given and the situation is to be avoided anyway, doing the scaling on the computer with a better algorithm and feeding the screen a native res signal is pretty much always going to be better.

>>106332940
noice

So I got this 271qpx OLED monitor
Heard that if you disable any of the safe OLED care features you're basically fucked in terms of warranty, although that doesn't add up to me since I believe one of the firmware updates does disable some of those. Kinda annoyed but whatever.

Anyways, I figured out how to make ABL less aggressive on Peak 1000 nits by just increasing contrast and brightness levels through the nvidia panel. Is there any way to do this on a game by game basis without having to use the nvidia overlay (I don't even know if it's possible there)?
I'm thinking that increasing brightness there is probably not a good idea for an extended period of time on OLED. When brightness is set up that high, it also affects SDR and brightness is way higher. I just the adjustment for games and HDR content, not for the desktop.
There's a tool, the MSI Display Kit, that also allows these settings but it doesn't save them, and it does have a way to set up these things per game but again there's no saving anything, so it's applying those settings globally anyways. I don't understand how this thing works.

Dram doesn't matter because we got HMB bros... we lost hard...

Lads is it worth getting a 5080 Super when it releases when I have a 6950xt?

Best miniLED monitor available in Europe?

>>106333469
I have the same gpu as you and I am also considering this, it really comes down to price for me and vram, I am hoping for 24GB and near 4090 performance around 1000-1200 USD if it matches this then I am going to buy it.

>>106333504
I heard it was gonna have 24gb but maybe it isn't confirmed yet

>>106333141
Eh up to you. It's the usual "AMD has slightly better performance:$ but Nvidia has slightly better features". If DLSS (and whatever other hallucination tech) is worth $60 to you then go for the 5060Ti.

>>106333141
>>106333539
dlss is big not gonna lie

>>106333504
>1000-1200 USD
lol

>>106333529
in my opinion Nvidia could market this as a $1000 4090 which would be a huge win for them desu

>>106333469
>>106333504
at $1200 you can already get AI PRO R9700 with 32GB of memory

>>106333585
Too late for that now since they already marketed a $549 rtx4090 earlier this year

>>106333547
Sure especially at 1440p which is kind of what I'm getting at. IMO these cards are borderline at that res but if he's going to push it there then yeah DLSS is worth some money. OTOH both cards breeze 1080p so probably not worth paying for features you're not going to use. 16GB is probably also a waste at 1080p.

>>106333481
Define "Europe"
https://www.displayninja.com/mini-led-monitor-list/
If you want an all-arounder IPS probably the KTC M27P6 or Innocn M27E6V
https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-m27p6-review/

If you want a better content consumption VA, then the TCL 27R83U:
https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/27R83U-Mini-LED-Response-FreeSyncTM-Resolution/dp/B0D2LKQ16C
https://chimolog.co/tcl-27r83u/#「1152ゾーン分割Mini_LED」で見え方はどう変わる?

>>106333660
Kekw TRUE

my case doesn't have a reset button

>>106333909
I dont think I've used mine ever

>>106333909
Just hold down the power button.

>>106333927
that just turns it off

>>106333978
what happens if you press it again after turning it off

My local microcenter is having a deal on the 14400f, it comes with a motherboard and 2x16 32GB DDR4 CL18 RAM for 200 dollars. Is this a good deal?

Which gpu brand on nvidia's side tend to have the most quiet fans?

>>106334173
just check the techpowerup reviews

>>106334186
Thanks kitten I'll have a look

>>106334133
after I keep it pressed for 5 seconds it turns of. then when I press it again...you guessed it...it turns it on. the issue is replacing a sub-second press with >5seconds total + cycling my PC on/off which stresses the parts, instead of a fast reset. cheap motherfuckers could have included a reset button. it's not even wired into the connector, completely missing

>>106334173
it's going to be the ASUS Noctua editions

>>106333100
https://youtube.com/shorts/2ygEK0klMHw?si=4nIS1CZVP-_z5ZPh

>>106334202
Alright besides the noctua editions because I'm guessing they slap on an extra 500 bucks just because

>>106334156
if the mobo isn't missing anything you need seems decent enough

>>106334198
Try the psu switch

>>106334238
somehow that seems even more brutal on my PC hardware

>>106334206
>si=

>>106332291
it damaged by OS disk (kingston sa2000) but thankfully my WD black SN770 wasnt harmed fucks sake i didnt even click on the shut down and update button even we do need to valve to kick in and create us a replacement so bad

>>106334173
Apart from the asus noctua meme edition, MSI vanguard and suprim are the quietest

>>106334457
asus hawktua edition

I have an interesting question.
If I'm on like a 7-10 year upgrade cycle what should I be looking for durability-wise when selecting a motherboard (one of the most infuriating system parts to troubleshoot and replace)? Will a $300 board have certain specs not found on a $150 that would make it last longer/be more resilient? My old board for example had a Dual BIOS that saved my bacon once when the BIOS update failed and almost bricked my system but I was able to restore a default good one from the other on-board chip, but it seems like modern boards don't include/advertise that feature anymore.

>>106334497
dual bios is typically available only on highend $400+ boards these days
also highend boards are not more reliable than cheaper ones and tend to have more parts on the board which increases the risk of something dying over cheaper boards

>>106334497
you want BIOS flashback these days
almost all AM5 boards should have BIOS flashback, on intel it depends

14th gen i5 cpus aren't affected by the power issues right?

so had bad did i REALLY fuck up?
>wait for 11th gen intel, it will be faster
it wasn't
>wait for 12th gen intel you will have DDR6 & faster GPU
it didnt

assuming my PSU can handle the gpu power draw cant i still get a 40 series ray tracing card and throw it in? i7-10700k

>>106334773
i bring this up (briefly)
bc tons of 'tech articles' and 'influencers' said to 'wait' instead of building a pc during peak-coof era
[still did]

>>106334749
They still use between 125-180w for gaming while 9800x3d is doing 50-95w.

>>106334749
power issues? no. Oxidation issues? yes. Bios issues? yes. Microcode issues? yes.

but power issues? no.

>>106334801
>125-180w for gaming
fr?

>>106334827
During BF6 test the 14900k was pulling 220w while 9800x3d was doing 100w while the former being about 30% slower.

>>106334638
>almost all AM5 boards should have BIOS flashback, on intel it depends
Yeah, I was reading about that, Apparently they are not only good for updating a BIOS without a CPU but can wipe and "reinstall" a bad BIOS flash too? That pretty nifty.

>>106334607
>also highend boards are not more reliable than cheaper ones and tend to have more parts on the board which increases the risk of something dying over cheaper boards
You know it's interesting I was comparing warranties (not necessarily because I think they'll honor them but as a passive marker for quality) and Asrock/MSI have a standard 3-year warranty while Gigabyte's is 5-years (3 years standard + 2 Extension w/registration):
https://www.techpowerup.com/299614/gigabyte-offers-5-year-extended-warranty-for-new-x670-motherboards-in-north-america
ASUS apparently has a 3-year warranty except for their TUF-branded boards that are 5 years:
https://www.asus.com/in/About_ASUS/Warranty/
That lineup advertised "TUF 5K black metallic capacitors" for higher lifetimes that even the ROG/Strix boards which makes sense for the warranty period if the component quality is actually higher and means something.
https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-x870-plus-wifi/

>>106334811
extremely disheartening, intel really needs to stop fucking up
>>106334801
I don't think it's a fair comparison between an I5 and a 9800x3d

>>106331922 (OP)
Intel just beat AMD at their own game

>>106334846
Chiplets are more efficient under load. Until Intel copies chiplets they will behind except for idle power draw.

>>106334843
capacitors don't really die so that's mostly marketing fluff
its usually the voltage controller or power stages that fail way before any capacitors start causing any issue

So let's analyze the rtx 5050...

>way weaker than a used 3060 ti 8GB
>slightly weaker than a 3060 12GB even when no RAM bottleneck occurs
>way weaker than an arc b580 which is 12GB
>insanely weaker than a 5060 8GB which is only 50 bucks more expensive
>the RX 9060 shits on it too for good measure

Who the fuck is this card for?

>>106335033
any comparison to an APU?

>>106334937
>capacitors don't really die so that's mostly marketing fluff
>its usually the voltage controller or power stages that fail way before any capacitors start causing any issue
Really? I've always been a sucker for motherboard component marketing and their tech spec splash pages. Here's the X870E Taichi Lite advertising 20K caps for example:
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X870E%20Taichi%20Lite/index.asp
Since overclocking is dead on modern platforms should I still want an overkill VRM anyway with expensive Power Stages for longevity?

>>106335033
For people who buy prebuilds

>>106335047
The 8060S is about as strong as a 4060.

>>106335049
cap leaking/drying out were an issue in the past with electrolytic capacitors. these days they're polymer if I'm not mistaken. which don't have that issue anymore. still, capacitance boost is always nice to have. makes for cleaner rails so why not. but you're not planning on extreme OC I doubt it makes any practical difference

>>106335049
unless you go *really* expensive, entry and mid tier boards tend to use the same VRM layout except that the cheaper one has fewer phases installed. so just get a cheaper board preferably with a longer warranty period so that its cheaper and easier to replace if it fails

>>106333764
Western Europe, I'm Dutch. I wanted an OLED, but the burn in would give me nightmares every day

>>106335080
>>106335086
TY.
>unless you go *really* expensive, entry and mid tier boards tend to use the same VRM layout except that the cheaper one has fewer phases installed. so just get a cheaper board preferably with a longer warranty period so that its cheaper and easier to replace if it fails
The less expensive Steel Legend series from Asrock seems to carry the same higher-end caps than the Tai Chi lineup just with a less extreme choke count and Amp-rating.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-x870e-taichi-lite/5.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-b850-steel-legend-wi-fi/5.html

>>106335124
>Western Europe, I'm Dutch. I wanted an OLED, but the burn in would give me nightmares every day
There are people with decade-old OLED TVs that don't have burn-in, and the underlying tech by LG/Samsung has improved longevity with each new generation since then:
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/gen-3-samsung-qd-oled-2024-panels-and-improvements
So if you run it in a dual-monitor setup with your current LCD treating it like a TV (swapping over to use it for video/gaming content only) should give you many many years of worry-free service. Investing significant funds in a MiniLED (even the best in your market) will be a side-grade at best and still look worse than even the most basic OLED monitor.

>>106335290
nice try but not falling for the oled meme

>>106335222
The Taichi has far superior Renesas R2209004 Smart Power Stages with built-in temperature, over current and under voltage protection while the Steel Legend only has a far more basic Vishay SiC659 driver mosfet
The Taichi is technically more reliable in this case but it also costs way more than the SL which defeats the purpose. So its not worth paying more unless you really like the Taichi for its aesthetics or IO features

I'm running a dual channel 2 x 8gb ram setup on my PC at the moment.
I've essentially gotten a 32gb stick for free so I'm wondering right now if going single channel with the 32gb will be an objective improvement.

Theoretically, 32gb should be better than 16gb ram right? But from a layman's research around RAM fuckery, the only stuff I've been stumbling on is
>SINGLE CHANNEL BAD
>DUAL CHANNEL GOOD

Will the stronger ram (again, it's a single 32gb vs a cumulative 16gb) outweigh the alleged advantages of a dual setup?

>>106335335
a dual channel setup has almost twice the bandwidth of a single channel setup

>>106334811
>Oxidation issues? yes.
>The Via Oxidation issue currently reported in the press is a minor one that was addressed with manufacturing improvements and screens in early 2023.
>The issue was identified in late 2022, and with the manufacturing improvements and additional screens implemented Intel was able to confirm full removal of impacted processors in our supply chain by early 2024.
>However, on-shelf inventory may have persisted into early 2024 as a result.
https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Batch-of-14th-gen-CPUs-that-are-affected-by-oxidation-issue/m-p/1674231

We're in Aug. '25, and Raptor Lake is still in high demand. The problematic batches are unlikely to be sold by major retailers.
Here's a bit from the Q1 '25 earnings report
>Non-GAAP gross margin was 39.2%, approximately 3 percentage points above our guidance on much stronger-than-expected demand for Raptor Lake combined with improved cost for Meteor Lake.
https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2025/corporate/67s2p/Intel-Q12025-Earnings-Call-Comments.pdf

He's unlikely to end up with an oxidized 14600K.
He can check the batch code of his 14600K to confirm the chip was made in the second half of '23 or later.
https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/overclocking-tweaking/howto-read-an-intel-cpu-fpo-batch-code/td-p/73586

>Bios issues? yes. Microcode issues? yes.
You are describing ASRock BIOS and AMD AGESA, which are still killing a variety of AM5 Ryzen CPUs.
AMD is still replacing dead Ryzen CPUs with no questions asked, almost every day; it's as if they're admitting there's a flaw in their CPU or reference board design.

>>106330763
on the 50 series you can use dsc and dldsr together

>>106335315
>The Taichi is technically more reliable in this case but it also costs way more than the SL which defeats the purpose. So its not worth paying more unless you really like the Taichi for its aesthetics or IO features
Interesting, I'm probably gonna save up for the Taichi or one like it anyway just for the POST Code Debug LED, a feature that was on a $130 board I bought 7 years ago (God I'd hate troubleshooting without it). It's funny though, looking at the bare PCB you can tell it's still essentially the same board as the more expensive non-Lite edition with the "Lite" suffix looking like was taped on by hand after the board was already silk-screened.

I ended up settling on a build with Ryzen 5 9600 (the 7700 just got out of stock as I was ordering, oh well) and RTX 5070. How good is this for native 1080p60 @ Ultra? Or I get a cheapo 1440p 180Hz IPS to benefit from DLSS and framegen, and turn shit down from ultra?

>>106335396
Get a cheapo 1440p monitor, it's plenty for a 5070 even with only 12GB of VRAM (turning settings down from Ultra to High/Medium is the smart thing to do as that's the console performance target and gamedevs can't optimize for shit beyond that anymore). 1080p monitors have no money behind them in R&D so their image quality trails even budget 1440p and the general improvement in resolution is worth it.

>>106335396
1080p60 is destitute tier

>>106335388
those VRMs seem overkill. +paying for APU extra ones which will most likely never be used because who really gets something like this without a proper GPU
that's 5090 tier nr of VRM phases lol

>>106335430
Alright I'll get one for sure then. I don't plan on playing on Ultra anyways, was just wondering if it could push that at native 1080.
>>106335486
It's all I got currently and I'll be fine with it for a bit before I decide on a monitor. The PC is arriving in a week anyways.

>>106335502
That has the same number of phases as the overkill 5090 Matrix and Astral. Most 5090s have only 19-22 phases of vcore+vmem

Oled schizo here, just bought a G80SD for 599€ because sudden sale out of nowhere

>>106335700
Nice. If the haze of the matte coating bothers you, you can use the damp paper towel method to peel it off for the pure gloss finis underneath.
https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1gxd2ff/samsung_g80sd_how_i_removed_the_matte_antiglare/

>>106335700
you boughted well

Building a new PC on AM5 and looking at getting a 9800X3D but seeing alot of issues and complaints about crashes due to RAM. Most seem to be from 6000+ OC and I prefer longevity and stability in my builds; any anons recommend 5600 and cl 28/30 RAM or is 6000 now stable? 2x16 setup btw.

>>106331922 (OP)
i have ryzen 2200G
i have 8 gigs of ram
i am thinking of buying 2x16 (32 total, max that my board can support)
what kit do you recomend guys? i am looking at Memory QVL and pcpart picker but i have forgotten all about details

>>106335797
just get 6000mt/s sub cl40

>>106335727
Know this method probably won't do in the first place if I keep it

>>106335776
Cheaper than even the cheapest other variants available here
We will see if order is accepted

>>106335797
get these
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4815836
guaranteed to be hynix a-die. best kit for ryzen 9800x3d. you can do ez timings and trefi tweak to get 15% extra performance like expo.

Which GPU brand is the least enshittified by AIslop?

>>106335933
none

>>106335933
https://www.sapphiretech.com/en
https://www.powercolor.com

>>106335933
Gaymd/intel GPUs

>>106335919
Ah. So it's the type of die that was causing the issues and hynix-a RAM is stable? Just verifying again before I make my purchase later this weekend. Thanks

>>106336007
hynix a-die > hynix m-die > samsung b-die > micron rev a > micron rev b for ryzen stability/performance.

>>106335800
QVL list is gonna be long outdated, probably pick up a cheap kit, probably 3200, and maybe have to clock it down to 2400

If I get an asus motherboard, will those niggers try to install their armourycrate dogshit every time i boot into windows or is it something you can actually disable/block?

>>106336053
you can disable it in bios and it only prompts it once in the first place

>>106336021
That's the performance scale
For stability it's Hynix A-die = M-die > Micron rev a = Micron rev g >>>>>> Samsung b-die

How do we feel about aio, bros? Is it worth it?

>>106336080
necessary for cpus that men use like 285k, 9950x3d. If you have a baby gaymen cpu then you can just use whatever.

>>106336080
>aio
it's the bestest thing ever

>>106336063
with mobos offering expo 1, expo 2, expo tweaked, and expo ass it dont matter

>>106336021
>>106336063
Thanks ya'll helps me alot.

>>106336080
Worth it is subjective
I don't regret mine yet, maybe regret getting a 360 when I could have fit a 420

>>106335727
>>106335776
Just saw the g81sf 27" was at 499€ too
That is not bad

>>106336130
I can tell you've only used Asus boards since that's an Asus feature

>>106336029
>QVL list is gonna be long outdated
oh fugg that explains alot

Is 6000CL30 the AM5 equivalent to 3200CL12 or 3600CL16? Can zen5 even support faster speeds or is this the stability and performance cap? I want to upgrade to an AM5 system but have not followed this stuff for a while.

>>106336234
it can go faster, 6200 is pretty doable and some chips can do 6400, but you have to add a bunch of voltage to the memory controller
or you go 2:1 8000 and you need a damn good motherboard for it to be stable
in the end 6000c30 gets you 90% of the gains that are feasible and you don't have to pull your hair out tweaking it

This abomination actually worked

>>106332292
This.

>>106336234
Zen5 can run 6400cl26 in gear 1 if you get lucky and give it enough voltage

>>106336255
>>106336298
I just want the best performance for the least hassle and longevity, seems like 6000C30 is just that. Thanks the responses.

>>106336318
Consider 6000cl28 too since it might be close in price to 6000cl30

>>106333469
>>106333504
I'm in the same boat with my RX6900XT that dying. I think I'm gonna pull the trigger when I find one for $1K, 5090 too bad of a deal, and the 5070 ti is a kinda lame upgrade. 5080 Super is supposed to have 24GB of RAM so I think Ill get that and play with AI like a basedjack until I'm bored.

>>106333593
yeah but ROCm sucks as much as I want to love it and kill CUDA.
>>106335033
>Who the fuck is this card for?
OEMs, like every reviewer has said. Its the cheapest way for them to slap a nVIDIA sticker and "gaming" on the box.

>>106335290
I have an OLED LG C1. I still wouldn't use It as a monitor especially for gaming with all those static OS and game UIs.

>>106335290
>TVS
No shit they don't get burn-in you retarded nugger. Enjoy spending 1k€ for 1 year of usage kekypow

>>106332188
>Crystal disk sold out and has ads now.
Actual ads or collab skins?

Looks like MSI is going to fix all the bullshit PCIe bifurcation with their MAX line. Hopefully their only like $25 more.

https://www.msi.com/news/detail/MSI-Debuts-the-GODLIKE-X-EDITION-and-X870E-MAX-Series-to-Redefine-PC-Building-146899

Best screen size for single monitor? Kinda dont wanna deal with 2 monitors anymore. And for those adhd anons with single monitors, what do you use to watch media/discord while doing stuff?

>>106336661
It's so amusing to see how lane splitting was literally a feature and now autists are sperging about it 24/7 for so little reason

>>106336757
I use a 34 inch 21:9 monitor and it works well

>>106336602
They always had skins, now the .exe literally says ads and comes with adware. I looks like they buckled and removed the adware from the installer after backlash.Could always get the ZIP, but is a sign of the times.

>>106336757
27 for gaming and making the picture clearer without AA, 30-32 if you want the "cinematic" experience. Ideally 4k at above 27 or above. 1440 is fine for 27 max.

>>106336783
If I have 3 m2 slots I want to be able to use them all without hamstringing other things. Not unreasonable I think

>>106336793
Is yours curved? I might have to go into bestbuy and stare at one to see if I like the viewing angles

>>106336816
Yeah it is, curved is the way to go

>>106336661
I'm just glad that 10G is becoming more accessible right when I just subscribed to 10G internet

>>106336814
It's been like that for ages, atleast for the last few generations.
Are people just now looking at high end boards where the main feature for the last few generations is more options on where PCIe lanes go to?

>>106336837
>godlike
>accessible

Am i a dumb ass for considering OLED for 50/50 gaming/productivity ?

>>106333299
>Heard that if you disable any of the safe OLED care features you're basically fucked in terms of warranty, although that doesn't add up to me since I believe one of the firmware updates does disable some of those. Kinda annoyed but whatever.
you can't disable most things though

>just increasing contrast and brightness levels through the nvidia panel.
enjoy your clipping brah

>>106336857
I have OLED for 50/50 anime/shitposting

>>106332405
1440p woled looks like ass
only buy if you play arena shooters

>>106336080
Instant looks improvement and keep things chiller

is 6core cpu enough for 2k26 or i should get 8cores

Is the 5070 ti a 4k card or just a 1440p beast?

>>106336952
for what

>>106336957
Excellent for 720p gaming.

>>106336857
MSI created a problem so they could improve it (Not solve) later and pat themselves on their own backs

how are you supposed to read that counter on top or am I going insane?

>Am i a dumb ass for considering OLED for 50/50 gaming/productivity ?
just remember to buy a 4k one

>>106336984
nta I bought a 1440p ayylmao oled (flat not curved)

>>106336853
RTFA it says 10G is included on all MEG boards

>>106336757
>Best screen size for single monitor? Kinda dont wanna deal with 2 monitors anymore
large?
depends how much space you can handle

>>106336816
>to see if I like the viewing angles
qdoled has the best viewing angles of any display tech
but 45" 5k2k LG woled is objectively the best single monitor setup, possibly, maybe
or buy a TV

>>106336492
why not, there is a reason they run game mode in like 200 nits
very dim
if you blast hdr maybe

Newegg has a solid bundle deal rn, MSI B850 Gaming (white though), and 9600x for $343

>>106336968
for occasional gaymign

>>106337062
Which is the godlike and ace
Two boards you'd expect 10g on from price alone.
It's actually an insult they are still shipping 5g on MAX series

>>106336957
good for 1440p 144hz / 4k 75hz

>>106337104
6 core is fine, but if you are 10 years old and wanna stream for the bois, you might wanna go for that extra 2, but if the price difference is big it's not worth it. Faster core > more core.

>>106337134
Damn their AMD selection is pathetic
Where's the Unify and Unify-X??

>>106337164
The ace doesn't even exist yet, so it's only the godlike

wait the Samsungs have 16 hours good boy hours forced restart? Might have to cancel my order/return + Put Samsung themselves on the shit list
it might be over
I should have bought the extremely cheap 1080p LCD instead.... or wait until black friday for a TV

>>106337268
Check if they changed the hours in a firmware update.

So who's on the oled good boy list? Only Asus and Alienware?

>>106337164
>Where's the Unify and Unify-X??
There are only so many people who are willing to pay over $700 for these (people who couldn't get an Apex).
If there are not enough buyers for a Unify-X, they have no reason to sell the 4-DIMM Unify.
I'm not sure if MSI even sponsors any well-known overclockers atm, you need these guys to test the board and build up some hype.
ASUS-sponsored overclockers were breaking AM5 records with their early-access Apex boards.

>>106337372
Even gigabyte has released the x870 Tachyon Ice now and the enthusiast diy market for AMD today is huge.
I don't see why they wouldn't release the low volume Unify-X on am5 unless its because they expect AMD to fund its development like intel normally does for aibs

>>106337372
How downhill is the mobo market is boards are sold on hype rather than features?
>yes I buy boards based on OC records that I will never achieve
Not even saying MSI is somehow fully featured but that's what I gleam from your post.

Had this for a few months now, everything runs perfect... Except sometimes when i play a game like Mortal shell, or Elden ring or SCP5K, It has a habit of turning off my monitor, forcing me to shut down my Pc and re-enable my graphics card. Unsure of what the issue is but it's really annoying. I don't have the money to just buy a new card all willy-nilly. The only thing i can think of is it being a temp issue but i don't really understand, My fans are on max and everything..


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4qrpb2

>>106337411
>yes I buy boards based on OC records that I will never achieve
I've seen that kind of hype marketing back when AM2 was new platform

>>106337411
Too much generalization. That's just the 0.1% of the diy market that cares about minmaxing their PCs

>>106337411
people thought they could get 6.9 GHz on their 9800X3D because someone achieved it under LN2

>>106337404
>Even gigabyte has released the x870 Tachyon Ice now
People who buy those Tachyons are either a Gigabyte-sponsored XOCer, or they couldn't find a X870E Apex. Maybe a few of them are die-hard Gigabyte consumers.
The HWBot hardware submissions say enough.
MSI knows they're better off selling more Carbon & Tomahawk boards instead of wasting development funds on XOC Unify.

XOC boards are kind of a winner-takes-all market.
MSI's Z690 Unify-X did well, but it wasn't enough money for them to bother making a Z790 model.

>>106337452
Maybe
I just dont understand the hype behind higher end boards any other way.
High end baords are just the most unappealing part of the entire PC ecosystem.
They don't do anything I'd consider revolutionary or novel yet people talk about them.
Like the 10G thing, I've had 10G for YEARS yet it's exciting it's on a $1000 board?

>>106336826
>>106337080
Nta, but im looking to replace my current monitor its the aoc cu34g2x, handing it to my dad. I want something better than it for casual gaming(bf6), media consumption (we all love colors and clarity right), and working since I got a J.O.B now.

Ive got a 9800x3d and 5070ti and im in the US. My budget is less than 500 preferably. I’d appreciate some recs!

>>106337518
New 10G nics use a fraction of the power and support new link standards like 2.5G and 5G
And having it built-in means you don't have to use a pcie slot that could instead be used for dGPU, storage or other IO

If you buy anything but miniled monitors you are a sucker

>>106337627
Yeah fuck having to baby an OLED.

>>106337627
I bought a 4k oled
feels bad to be a sucker now

>>106337607
Your not telling me anything I don't know.
It's not like those NICs are super new, MB vendors have been on and off using the Aquantia 10g NICs which are low power and support 2.5g/5g. The AQ107 in particular is like 8 years old now. Newer ones have came out but the price has only gone down.

Do people value it being soldered to the board that much because it saves a slot? As if people are super eager to have slots nowadays?

hello, I love 16:10

I'm about to make my first gaming pc, I want it compact and I really like the Jonsplus Z20
my question is I'm not sure how I should optimize the airflow, currently I plan on using 5 fans
2 intakes located at the bottom, 1 rear and 2 at the top acting as the exhaust
but with this case I've seen people use the rear fan port as an intake? should I make it that way and/or replace the 2 top exhaust fans with an AIO?

here is my list of parts I've picked but I've yet check for measurements but I'm posting it anyway if anyone has any suggestions
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WzWtDj

>>106337939
for portrait monitors*

>>106338190
also for portrait monitors, yes

>>106338085
>paying for windows.

Start over from scratch

>>106338085
>windows key
hahahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JzOe1Hs26Q
how is the swede more /pcbg/ than anyone here

>>106334871
I wonder how two of those would compare against a strix halo setup with 128gb RAM
same thing for the software side of things against HIP/ROCm

i recently put my desktop up on my desk. i sort of like this better than on the ground i think.

however i have noticed that whenever the psu fan kicks on it makes this... i dont know- maybe faint "grinding" sound. it is really fucking annoying. it kicks on even when im like just browsing the web. otherwise my computer is super quiet.

i have a CORSAIR RM1000e 2023 edition

i read that the 2025 versions have a clicking noise- i dont have that. mine is a different noise. it is 2 years old so im not sure if it always did this back when it was on the ground or not. should i just buy a new one? it was like ~$180 dollars when i bought it and it will be really fucking annoying to replace it and rehook everything back up- but this noise is driving me nuts. any ideas?

>>106338692
put it back under the desk

>>106338692
I wouldn't be surprised if that PSU used an internal 4-pin GPU fan connector
if that's the case, you should be able to replace the fan without soldering anything
just unplug the power cord, press repeatedly on your case's power button to drain the caps, optionally wait a few hours to make sure you don't accidentally kill yourself, then open the PSU and read the specs on the back of the fan - then, you can probably find the same or a better replacement fan online
fan bearings can also benefit from lubing but I'll admit I lack knowledge in that area and thus don't know if that would fix your issue
but with all of that said, the noise is likely nothing to worry about, so you can also just ignore it

What are good SFF cases I don't have a lot of space

if you have a fast computer please enjoy it sweetly for me today. really take in being able to use ur shit and not have to wait around or endure stutters or other bullshit

>>106339202
Just turn down your settings bro.

>fell for the Q27G3XMN meme
On one hand I watched some anime on it after using IPS my whole life and the colors are stunning
On the other hand that was after about six hours spent configuring with it and fighting it and its god awful OSD and google-translated documentation to try to get any sort of decent colors out of it, and the viewing angles are shit enough that all the benefit of those deep blacks is negated if I'm not sitting upright and staring straight at it, and the ginormous stand is somehow still so frail the whole monitor wobbles for 5 seconds whenever I nudge my desk or type slightly too firmly, and I can faintly see the reflection of my ceiling lights just sitting here, and all the text still looks kinda fucked up.
Part of me wants to return it and just try to find an IPS with decent colors, or get an OLED for my main monitor and use the current one as a secondary.

>>106339202
>endure stutters
That's a problem even with the best at this point.

The Meshify 3 price is completely ridiculous

>>106339246
I haven't experienced any of this and I'm looking right at one.

>>106338202
>>106338242
Humourous but japanese content creators all buy windows keys because they love riding corporate cock.

>>106339290
Why lie? Literally every review agrees the stand sucks.

>>106339322
I just don't understand what problems you have with the stand? Are you bouncing on your desk? It doesn't move any more than my other monitor. Did you maybe buy the newer version they offer at best buy? That stand looks ass.
>>106339275
The 3 xl is $20 less than a dark base pro 901 on amazon right now. Not sure who this is priced for. Should be much cheaper.

>>106339291
you can just go to the windows thread and learn how to activate windows without a key. takes 5 seconds

>>106339060
Check from the websites of NCase (M2, M3), Fractal (search for small cases) or Lian Li (also search by small cases)
Also, how much space do you have first of all?

>>106339353
>lightly tap wrist against edge of desk
>watch Q27G3XMN wobble for a solid 5 seconds straight even with a stand so big i have to move my keyboard to accommodate
>old ass 27GL83A-B gets a little shudder and nothing else

>>106339470
I am giving my desk some serious taps and the most it'll do is the slightest movement. I really don't know what you're talking about.

I'm going to ask a very subjective question.

I want to get a 9800X3D, what motherboard do I get?
And is there any use-case to upgrade to the 9850X3D that would justify the mark-up?

>>106339470
>I have a poorfag desk made out of cardboard
Just stop

>>106339505
if you do very cpu intensive tasks

>>106339505
9950X3D is for compiling Gentoo as fast as possible. (If you don't have the money for server CPUs) Not needed for normal users.

>>106336857
>tells you right there you'll have to buy another one in 3 years
Why do people buy shitLED again?

>>106339060
For this it really comes down to what hardware you want.

You can stuff top end hardware into a tiny case but it'll either run fuckin hot and throttle or it'll run loud. If you truly want a small powerful build you have to look into power targets and undervolting, you have to build with a SFF PSU and those can get expensive at higher wattages.

If you want a NORMAL small build without the premium cost and difficulty, look into the smallest micro-atx cases instead of ITX. Micro-atx motherboards are the cheapest and still have everything you need.

>>106339485
>>106339507
I don't really understand this kind of Nintendo-tier brand loyalty over a monitor, won't lie

>>106339525
I don't think so?
I fuck about in UE5 sometimes, and I do CAD and 3D Printing as a side hustle.
If it was my full time job, I'd be more worried about it. But, I don't think I'd notice at my current level of engagement with it.

There's not really a benchmark for "Guy who does a bit of everything, with a stream open in the background for radio noise".

>>106339505
>use case
Seeing this shit and then going back to osrs

>>106339562
I mostly play Rimworld.

>>106339558
I don't even know what monitors are being talked about I just wanted to make fun of you for not having a real desk. If it wouldn't cause permanent damage to your spine carrying it solo up 3 stories it's not good enough.

>>106339558
I'm simply not having that issue, what do you expect me to say? Just agree with you?

>>106339560
The price increase is not justified for you

>>106339588
I've a major rimworld fan myself, and it did benefit massively from 3D vcache in my experience
I would get the CPU I can afford that has the most L3 cache and ignore other variables

What's a good d5 pump?

>>106339275
Fractal premium, and you're paying for the 3x Momentum fans, they are about as good as the new Noctua G2.

>>106338085
>2 intakes located at the bottom, 1 rear and 2 at the top acting as the exhaust
>but with this case I've seen people use the rear fan port as an intake?
I'd keep rear exhaust, the CPU cooling fans should also push air out towards the exhaust instead of moving hot air to the PSU.
Get a CL30 kit instead of that 36. Team Group T-Create is good if you're looking for something in that price range.

>>106339470
I actually got this monitor yesterday, not the same experience

>>106339470
I would never buy a monitor with the intention of using the default stand. VESA arms are peak convenience and cool factor
>old ass 27GL83A-B
surely it's not that old...

Alright, so I'll stick with the 9800X3D.
But the, what about the motherboard?

>>106339888
it probably doesnt matter apart from having features you want
number of m.2 slots, pcie 5, Wifi, color that fits the system

>>106339505
buy a b850 or a b850m idk hardware unboxing will publish a round up video soon

>>106339832
How'd you configure it? I'm not running HDR at the moment because Windows is janky as fuck but any recs are welcome
Also I don't know if I just need to fuck with 4chan's CSS or what but text here looks wack compared to how it was before

>>106339865
Yeah I need to get a VESA stand or something because this shit is awful and barely gives any stability relative to how much desk real estate it takes up

>>106339865
apparently, I bought my 27GL83A-B in August of 2020
I feel like reality is trying to gaslight me into not noticing that I used to live in a different timeline, but okay

>>106339901
>>106339924
Yeah, that's sort of what I was thinking, but there doesn't really seem to be much consensus on why exactly a motherboard is $400 versus $150 and what those various bits and pieces actually add, and if a motherboard using overall better* quality components actually results in any gains to longevity.

As long as a motherboard is more or less the same suite of features that you care about, the extra just feels like paying for LEDs and sometimes a screen on the motherboard itself.

I will say though, my current MOBO has a little seven-segment display and the two times I've used it for error codes was a nice feature.

>>106340019
normal users its prob fine to have error leds for cpu, ram etc.
and for normal users the cheapest mobos work, but they might have features heavy users need like lots of pcie 5 lanes or some pimped out cooling shroud that impacts nothing but visual look

>>106340044
My friend has a MOBO that has zero error indication.
No lights, no beeping, just straight up nothing.

>>106340056
>no troubleshooting whatsoever
that's the sole complaint I have about going ITX

I just don't know what kind of pizza box desk you're using to make this massive thing wobble that much. I type that while using a folding table as my desk.

how long would 7800x3d last for 1440p
why is it not on the list also?

>>106340421
People who are considering these AM5 CPUs are more likely to build a new system instead of going from a 7500F/7600 to a 7800X3D.
The extra $100 or so for a 9800X3D isn't that much when you're building a PC with either CPUs ($1200 vs $1300, for example).
AMD also changed the packaging layout to improve the thermals of the V-Cache die with Ryzen 9000 X3D CPUs.

Doesn't mean 7800X3D is bad.
>how long would 7800x3d last for 1440p
It will probably be stronger than the PS6's CPU (they won't use X3D chiplet because of its more complex assembly), so it can last a long time.

>>106340421
too expensive and 9800x3d has better design with the x3d being under the chip

>>106340510
>>106340524
7800x3d or 150 usd extra 9800x3d
just trying to see if its worth it
5070ti
ye the prices here are insane

Looking at the asus cards, they have a quiet bios mode. Would it be stupid to toggle that AND undervolt?

>>106340581
I guess it depends
9800x3d is the "safer" bet if you can afford it

>>106340613
as in i might have stutter issues?

>>106340589
It's just a fan curve.

>>106340581
Get the 7800X3D then.

>>106340627
better perf
no cooling issues
better features
better 1% lows

ofc the cheaper cpu is still great, just distinctly worse than the new shiny one

>>106332188
you can still download the ad-free versions if you go to sourceforge directly. who knows how long that'll last though

I have a b850 motherboard with a 9800x3d/32gb of ram right now. Been doing some LLM stuff and seems like 64gb would be a better idea. Is it possible to upgrade my 2x16 sticks with another 2x16, or is 4 sticks a real issue now and i need to get 32x2?

There arent any msrp 5070ti in white. The white tax is cringe

>>106340829
Take the mesh pill

>>106340641
thanks for this
for me, it's shizuku edition

>return Q27G3XMN, get OLED, use 27GL83A-B as secondary monitor, cope with the worse colors in exchange for great angles
>keep Q27G3XMN, use it as secondary, cope with the worse angles in exchange for great colors, sell old monitors on ebay or some shit
I'm conflicted as fuck over this
It's not helping matters that I'm also having to adjust to going from 1080p->1440p and 24in->27in for my secondary monitor and now I can't tell whether everything looking weird is because of misconfiguration on my end or if it's just a mental thing or if it's the monitor's fault, and how much of which is which

Upgrading from 7800x3d / 7900 GRE to 9800x3d / asus prime5070ti.

>>106340829
why do you care what your anime porn and video game machine looks like. not like anyone is ever going to see it in person other than you

>>106340972
I'm also about to retire my 27GL83A-B but can't really decide between Tandem WOLED, the possible LG true RGB OLED panel that may come out in 2026, miniLED IPS (VA is doo-doo in my book), or Just Waiting™ some 4-5 years for a hypothetical market savior like QDEL
I would recommend selling the 27GL83A-B, it's just mediocre by current standards. What I did was buy some very chinese IPS 18" 2560x1600 UPERFECT monitor and use that as a secondary monitor in portrait mode, which turned out to not be stupid - text clarity is insanely good, colors are plain better than the LG, and no QC issues so far

https://wccftech.com/first-case-of-melted-16-pin-connector-reported-on-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gpu/
Radeons sisters, our response?...

>>106334928
one would think chiplets would decrease power draw, considering you can just gate off entire chiplets. I think AMD is just using an inferior process for the chiplet that manages the actual processing cores, hence the higher idle draw compared to intel.

>>106341142
Fucked around and found out.
So far, the only publicly known retard to have melted a 9070 XT Taichi or Pulse's 12V-2x6 connector.
I mean Kolink PSUs shouldn't be terrible. But it takes something special to melt the connector at that power draw.

>>106341173
Meant to say Nitro+ not the Pulse.

>>106335933

maybe you could find multihead matrox somewhere

I haven't built a new PC since 2018 and only am now just seeing that EVGA doesn't make Nvidia cards anymore. What is the go-to manufacturer for Nvidia now?

>>106341217
MSI supremacy(dont get the ventus)

Im a fool and wants to replace my mistake of an AMD GPU for AI coom. Is an A4000 for 300 freedom bucks a good buy right now or should i wait for the bubble to crash for better prices/options?

damn the 5090 launch was really almost 7 months ago

where has the time gone

>>106340972
If you're not happy with the monitor, return it.
You can always buy another one if you change your mind.

>>106340795
its possible, but its gonna be slower and if you're running inference on cpu you're gonna want all the speed you can get

>>106331922 (OP)
Thoughts? This isn’t final but along the lines of what I’ll end up buying
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z76qZc

I cant decide

help

>>106341886
That's funny, those are the two I am trying to pick between too. I'm 75% leaning towards the lancool because I really like the wood theme. But I hear the meshify cooling is really good so it's making me think it might be a better option if I'm just going to go for pure performance.

>fractalniggers will pay almost $250 for their mesh case
That's crazy

>>106339246
>part of me wants to return it and just try to find an IPS with decent colors, or get an OLED for my main monitor and use the current one as a secondary.
The latter, if a VA panel wowed you after a lifetime of grey IPS slop I can't imagine what watching shows on an OLED would feel like.
https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1hc7oan/oled_vs_va_haha/

>>106341861
Looks solid. Seems like a budget build so probably coil save a few $ on the RAM

>xbox series x power draw is 200w avg
Consoles mog

How many sperm donations to save for this?

>>106342027
why are you buying a £5000 5090

>>106342037
2x

What do you think? I have a lot of ideas.

main PC: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/TothBrush/saved/DRLWf7
2nd PC: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/TothBrush/saved/KD4F4D

I'm going to start by setting up my big 9.1 terabyte torrent of all the anime on crunchyroll. Next I'm going to probably play with AI voice changers by streaming my mic to my 2nd PC and then the audio output back through an ethernet cable to my main PC so I can be an anime girl in vrchat without draining the performance on my 3090. I also want to do multi-camera recordings of games from multiple angles with a 2nd account.

>>106341128
>What I did was buy some very chinese IPS 18" 2560x1600 UPERFECT monitor and use that as a secondary monitor in portrait mode, which turned out to not be stupid - text clarity is insanely good
I've noticed portable monitors, since they ARE so small don't have to worry about yield issues so much, so we get more phone/tablet-like PPI and better than average-specs than what traditional desktop monitors offer for pretty cheap. Example:
>3K (2880x1800) 120Hz 16" OLED
>$233
https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Monitor-2880x1800-DCI-P3-500000/dp/B0F5991ZS1
>Slightly greater than 4K 16:10 16" OLED
>~$230 after promo code
https://www.amazon.com/DAMRAPT-OLED-Portable-Monitor-3840x2400p/dp/B0FB2L84Q7

>>106342047
>so I can be an anime girl in vrchat
I think you know what you're doing with the system specs.
That's a lot of 1TB storage drives.

>>106342124
>That's a lot of 1TB storage drives.
I've been hoarding them ever since I was a little kid. Whenever I run out of space I just throw another in and don't both to take the old one out. My first rig had a 256gb SSD and a 1tb hdd. The very very first 1tb drive from my very first build when I was 12 years old is still here in the rig. Still alive after 14 years!!! The original ssd broke unfortunately.

>>106331922 (OP)
I'm retarded and need help with a new monitor setup
>4090
>7800x3d
>up to $1k budget, but a main gayman monitor and side monitor for $1.2k would be nice
I used to have a Gigabyte M32U but now I'm thinking about moving on to another 4k but this time QD OLED. I was thinking that the initial jump to 4k wasn't as good as the jump to 2k and with how poorly optimised new games are (and have been for a while) maybe I'd be better trying to run very high frames at 1440p OLED. I'm not planning on upgrading anything significant after getting monitors for at least 3-4 years.

>>106342140
Keep that M32U as your secondary IPS monitor, and get the best possible primary OLED monitor.
I don't think there's a 32" 4K variant of the new tandem WOLED monitor (with TrueBlack glossy finish).
QD-OLED might still be the best for 32".

havent posted it in a while. Went to a full sized old lian li tower + mods. Just added a rolling platform, feels good to build in a big case

>>106342173
Big fucking unit, looks very clean.

>>106342140
This is going to be one of the best 1440p OLED when it's available, but I'd get a 4K monitor for a 4090.
The demanding games would usually ship with DLSS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gpD0tePww

>>106342140
if gaming is the primary focus get a 1440p 27" qd-oled or that true black glossy woled asus just came out with

>>106342206
nr200 for scale

This is a Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+. Inductor just fooking fell off while cleaning
Tried resoldering it but no dice due to that cap and cba shelling more than a fuck to get someone else to do it since it's gonna get upgraded soon I think
Would it still work at least as a simple display adapter until then?

Are black friday sales worth waiting for or do vendors increase the prices beforehand so they can have "sales" at the original prices?

https://www.techpowerup.com/340193/melting-12vhpwr-connector-claims-its-first-amd-rx-9070-xt-victim
not sure if assrock, jewvidia connector or just being a redditniger was a fault here

>>106342484
BF sales are worth it and ramp up in the two weeks before the actual day (by which time the really good ones are already nabbed up so you need to watch for (pre)announcements during that time like a hawk). Normally prices on Amazon slingshot after Prime Day but this year have remained lower ever since July 8-11.

>>106342460
>Would it still work at least as a simple display adapter until then?
I don't think so.

>>106342484
Good deals will start appearing now until the end of the year.
If a component is offered at/near all-time lows, I would buy it instead of waiting until Black Friday.
I have a feeling OLED and some $200~400 IPS monitors will be discounted again this year.

>>106342460

no it is broken until resistor is resoldered

I don't like nvidia

>>106342525
fuck u bitch basterd bloody behenchod ampoor

>>106337268
Ur a retard. Why are you so determined to get a monitor that let's you burn it in for hours straight on the same shit with no refresh. The protections exist for a reason

is the monitor hunter doc trustworthy?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/edit?tab=t.0

>>106342603
I dunno but it looks like they cite real reviews so its probably okay

>>106342507
>I don't think so.
Fugg :(((((
>>106342510
Inductor. Fugg nonetheless

Am pondering yoloing it back in on the hunch that power delivery should be wired in parallel and worst case scenario I'd trigger some power safeties and fail POSTing
Really need some basic display to do normie stuff asap

>90% of /r/ayymd is Turkroaches
why does the third world fanboy over AMD so hard?

>>106342639
>>106342639
>>106342639

>>106340641
Didnt it get pozzed starting from 9.7.0?
What is the last good version?

>>106342603
I think it's well-maintained.
Some 1080p picks appear to be out of date, but he's giving weight to professionally reviewed monitors.

>>106342507
>I have a feeling OLED and some $200~400 IPS monitors will be discounted again this year.
I'm also predicting priced-to-move sales on vanilla 5000 cards as e-tailers want to draw down inventory so they can take advance orders on the SUPER refreshes.

>>106341173
9070xt isn't that efficient. It uses more power than a 5080 and slightly less than a 4090. Not to mention only 2 out of 30 models have the plug so the failure rate should be 1/10 to 1/15 of what it would be on nvidia

>>106342684
Few will be sold @ under MSRP.
NVIDIA doesn't like to support that kind of discount.
I don't remember regular 4080 dropping under $1200 even after the 4080 Super launched.

>>106342027
Huh I didn't know the 9100 PRO came in 8tb versions
Interdasting

>>106332146
My monitors are losing signal with a new video card this never happened before and it happened twice today. Should I return the video card?

somebody make a new non-shill thread

>>106342704
Which card? Double-check the display cable connections.
Run DDU and do a clean display driver reinstallation.

>>106342696
366W base and 404W maximum power draw for that 9070 XT shouldn't be melting that connector if they followed all the safety recommendations.
Not a user-friendly design though.

>>106342460
It will still work if its a vcore phase since those are redundant

>>106342754
Absolutely, it's a trash connector that requires that you have no load balancing by PCI-SIG spec so cards like the Astral are technically in violation of the spec

>>106342639
>>106342639
>>106342639

>>106342762
Can we get a non-shill one? kthxbye

>>106342762
nobody wants to read your moronic pig squealing about AMD losing yet another gen in the OP

>>106342758
Amazing news, anon. Tysm. Repasting and reassembling it as we speak. Fingers crossed

>>106342712
>>106342769
>>106342796
>t.
You are all such cute crybaby butthurt nvidiots :3

>>106342809
>nicotroon still dilating over the 5090 humiliating every GPU AMD has ever made combined

>>106342825
>5090
price per frame?

>>106342712
>>106342769
>>106342796
>t.
You are all such cute crybaby butthurt nvidiots :3

>>106342809
>>106342855
samefagging to avatarfag, embarrassing

>>106342867
>Deleting a post to post a corrected one is samefagging
Holy newfag go back. NTA btw

>>106342887
ok nicotroon

>>106342507
>If a component is offered at/near all-time lows, I would buy it instead of waiting until Black Friday
Hey thats a good idea actually thanks, currently the price of the 5060ti is at its lowest point right now for 478€ but i am not sure if the price will drop significantly. Its an ASUS prime but i heard the tuf models are better.

>>106343034
You don't need a TUF for that level of card, it has a 180W base power draw.
The Prime 5060 Ti 16 already runs extremely quietly, cards that run under 30 dBA in TechPowerUp's reviews are fairly quiet.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-prime-16-gb/40.html

>>106342639
>>106342639
>>106342639

>>106337329
samsung never says whats in the updates
idk if I should keep the order considering all the potential problems with this unit but people say the drop outs and shit exists still and other people have no problems

>>106342585
the implementation is a buggy mess, even msi increased the threshold to 24 hours
nothing to do with burning in, just clearing up image retention
you don't need to run ever 4 hours or 16 hours either
and it's not needed to force at any time
you guys don't understand how it works
anyways

>>106342758
You were right and it indeed was a vcore phase. Holy fuckeroony it still works albeit at lower clocks and 11 less frames in FurMark