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Anonymous No.64121808 >>64121831 >>64121836 >>64121870 >>64121988 >>64121995 >>64123028 >>64123201 >>64123205 >>64124009 >>64124185 >>64124722 >>64127107 >>64128117 >>64151902 >>64154486 >>64162342 >>64171215
Shitty obscure guns thread
>Lorcin L380
Anonymous No.64121831 >>64156546
>>64121808 (OP)
Looks like hipoint and keltec had a baby
Anonymous No.64121836 >>64121837 >>64166008
>>64121808 (OP)
Your dick
Anonymous No.64121837 >>64166008
>>64121836
My dick is not a gun (unfortunately)
Anonymous No.64121863 >>64123028 >>64124722 >>64127455 >>64156546
>Intratec Cat 45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gicWpPJJ7yk

Also came in 380, 9, and 40. I actually bought one as my first handgun in a private sale when I turned 18. Never had the balls to shoot it at the time because even to a novice it looked sketchy as fuck. It had gutter sights and loved to flash rust worse than a Remington when you weren't looking.
Anonymous No.64121870 >>64121976 >>64121990
>>64121808 (OP)
i have this in a 22lr, i think i got it for like $40 on gunbro many moons ago
Anonymous No.64121976 >>64121990 >>64124753 >>64128637
>>64121870
i also had one of these
>Wischo KG Erlangen model 11 25 auto
and it was the only gun that ever blew up in my face, almost.
i actually didnt trust it so much that i didnt aim down the sights and was hip firing it when the slide snapped at the front and most of it flew into the field behind me.
Anonymous No.64121983 >>64123288
>Lorcin L380
looks bad, OP

Post some rifles / long guns, shotguns itt
Anonymous No.64121988
>>64121808 (OP)
Walter PPJ
Anonymous No.64121990 >>64165743
>>64121870
>>64121976
and this, but its all pitted but works fine. got it for $20
Anonymous No.64121995 >>64122324 >>64123028
>>64121808 (OP)
Love Ring Of Fire pistols. I have a Bryco 59 that I occasionally shoot to inform anyone about the pain of shooting a glock or other polymer handgun. The blowback handguns all hurt like a mother fucker. A Hi Point is certainly a step up.
Anonymous No.64122324 >>64123028 >>64124718 >>64124722 >>64131570 >>64133975 >>64153508
>>64121995
based trash enjoyer.
i also have a raven 25 in my collection, absolutely mint and spotless when i got it, looks like no one every fired it. and i can tell why immediately, the trigger works about 60% of the time. i can feel something slipping when it fails which doesnt drop the striker(?). not gonna bother every fixing it since its not like i intend to carry it.
Anonymous No.64123028 >>64123605
>>64121808 (OP)
I ALMOST bought one of these even knowing having seen the jokes made about it being a "hammer fired Glock" on this board years ago. It's very shamelessly Glock 18c styled. Not sure if it's really shitty but it isn't a good start between that and "MADE IN AUSTRIA" making it so blatant that they want it to look like a Glock lol. ISSC M22.

>>64121863
That grip looks like a karambit knife maker decided to get into guns (by CNCing thick sheets of plastic). The weird cut in the top of the grip makes me have the strangest feeling it could be very comfortable in the hand or maybe not at all. Flat sides are also a weird choice.
>totally-not-a-glock-knockoff slide has totally-not-a-glock-knockoff serrations
lol could they make it more obvious?

>>64121995
>>64122324
>ROF/cheap pistols
Man I just want a cheap functional IJ in 22LR top break. Too many of them were sold so cheap; I think a lot of guys just buyback them to make like $40 on 'em. Shame IMO.
Anonymous No.64123201
>>64121808 (OP)
Shitty obscure mag time now that an anon reminded me I own this. Apparently (used to be?) semi-coveted for banstaters once follower replaced.
>no markings (at all IIRC)
>follower is weird blue color
>follower is super thin (mine is bowed from spring pressure)
>body is steel, not aluminum
>weird light grey finish (parkerized, no bluing: see mag on right)
>underside of follower marked "ENGLAND"
But they're not made in England at all. Actually, neither were the guns this guy made lol. From another anon:
>>64119518
>IDS [made] mystery meat rifles built in Britain using Vietnamese parts, until the owner of the company was arrested for attempting to sell missiles to Azerbaijan
IIRC from my research I did when I got the mag that's a pretty accurate company history.
Anonymous No.64123205
>>64121808 (OP)
Follower underside. Never used the mag but had a weird feeling about it when I saw it. Can't comment on quality but I've heard mixed things IIRC, so YMMV.
Anonymous No.64123288 >>64124724 >>64124772
>>64121983
Where can I get one, Lorcins were like historically cool bad, if I can find one for $200 that would be sick to have. I would even carry it just cause why not it’s small.
Anonymous No.64123605
>>64123028
It's hideous but in a strangely aesthetic sort of way
Anonymous No.64123976 >>64123980 >>64123990 >>64124335
Intratec C-9 low poly glawk
Anonymous No.64123980 >>64123990 >>64124335 >>64161283
>>64123976
Later the .45 version was cloned in modified form as the Cobra patriot
Anonymous No.64123990 >>64124335
>>64123976
*cat-9
Oops
>>64123980
Both guns descend from the sardius/sirkis SD9
Anonymous No.64124009 >>64156581
>>64121808 (OP)
Wyoming arms parker 10mm.
We have AMT at home.
By far the cheapest 10mm of it's time iirc
Anonymous No.64124185 >>64124335 >>64124574
>>64121808 (OP)
Haskell JS-45, predecessor of the Hi-Point.
Anonymous No.64124335
>>64124185
>>64123990
>>64123980
>>64123976
this is the kind of ugly shit i like to collect for my harem of rejects
Anonymous No.64124371 >>64124695 >>64173197
Renato Gamba Mauser HSc Super

Double stack HSc to compete with those newfangled wonder 9s. Decocker is pulling the trigger with the safety on. Only ND I ever had- i was smart enough to have it pointed in a very safe direction.
Anonymous No.64124574 >>64124593 >>64124596 >>64124613 >>64124627 >>64124722 >>64133370 >>64171226
>>64124185
*predecessor of the .45 hi point
This is the predecessor of the 9mm and the first child, the stallard JS 9

Cool bug fact: the .45, .40 and 9mm hi points are all slightly different guns beyond just being rechamberings and are technically made by three different companies all under beemiller or MKS or something I'm not sure what the current status is of the umbrella.
Three different men (all childhood friends iirc) run each and they also are heads of hi point's 9mm, .45 and .40 division respectively
It's fucking weird
Anonymous No.64124593 >>64124596 >>64124627 >>64130756 >>64153981
>>64124574
And here's the .40 version's grandaddy
The Iberia .40 S&W
That's right the poor boy doesn't even have a name, it's name is it's caliber
Anonymous No.64124596 >>64124622
>>64124593
>>64124574
im so mad these boat anchors are going for upwards of 250 and rusted to shit. maybe ill find one in a pawn or gun store some day
Anonymous No.64124613 >>64124638
>>64124574
Here, you can still see HASKELL MFG nested under the hi point logo on this modern .45 hi point
Anonymous No.64124622 >>64124640
>>64124596
Really? Wack.
I geuss they finally have collectors' value.
They turn up rvery now and then at police evidence auctions and from sellers that resell funs from them so that might help you out.
Anonymous No.64124627
>>64124574
>>64124593
We have a name for this kind of shit in my language. Best English translation I could offer would be something like "corporate incest".
Anonymous No.64124638
>>64124613
This makes me chuckle at the idea that a whole team of like 20 people representing at least different companies sat down one day and had a big meeting about whether they should name their new line of handguns "Yeet Cannons" or "Problem Solvas".
Anonymous No.64124640 >>64124688 >>64155712
>>64124622
its fricked up. and i live in a gay pot metal law state right now. at least i have a c9 to console me
Anonymous No.64124688 >>64124699 >>64124714
>>64124640
Wait can hi points pass the melt test?
Anonymous No.64124695
>>64124371
>Decocker is pulling the trigger with the safety on
Holy fuck that is sketchy. Like, Sigger levels of sketch.
Anonymous No.64124699 >>64124714 >>64155750
>>64124688
sure, but look at the OR in the line. the law was specifically designed to restrict sales of basically all the shit in this thread.
Anonymous No.64124714 >>64127122 >>64155750
>>64124688
>>64124699
>Hi-Point pistols have historically used Zamak-3, a zinc alloy, in the construction of some components like the slide and receiver. The melting point of pure zinc is around 788F.

the law stating 800F is no happy coincidence
Anonymous No.64124718 >>64124753
>>64122324
I keep buying and collecting them. Of all of the collections you can start in guns it is the most likely to not only be a full collection, but also the collection with the most guns fired in anger.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64124722 >>64124753 >>64148640
>>64121808 (OP)
Oh boy, I love junk guns.

Lorcin was run by a guy who went to high school with George Jennings (of Raven Arms). In a rare case of not being related, the two actually hated each other and were rivals. Lorcin got shut down because employees were zipping out non-serialized frames and selling guns illegally out the back door of the factory.
>>64121863
The Intratec CAT series has no conventional rifling. Instead, to meet the bare minimum legal compliance they had a single shallow groove down the barrel. Pretty much all of them keyhole as a result, although I don't know if they added proper rifling at some point or if doing so even helped.
>>64122324
I have one and it actually works, so long as you hold it like a teacup with your hand well clear of the slide. Surprisingly accurate too. Fully loaded the ammunition is worth more than the gun.
>>64124574
I talked to the current CEO of Hi-Point and manufacturing is still distributed around Dayton Ohio. He told me how years ago his uncle was manufacturing in the basement of his house which had only one way in/out and extension cords everywhere for all the machines. Basically a fire trap. Thankfully it never burned down.
Hi-Point is a genuinely great company and Joe is fun to talk to. I got to buy a 10mm Hi-Point at cost and got some swag with it. Good times.
Anonymous No.64124724
>>64123288
If you were to fire a lorcin you would see why carrying it sucks.
Anonymous No.64124753 >>64124761 >>64125964
>>64124722
>Surprisingly accurate too.
when mine did fire it keyholes at 7 yards.

>>64124718
the idea of these junk guns always interests me because for as cheap and trashy as some of these are they will still fire a bullet that could have the consequences of any other firearm.

>>64121976
i was mistaken, this wischo is actually still in my safe. i had to dig through my records, it was a reck p8 that exploded in my hand
Anonymous No.64124761 >>64126723
>>64124753
after this thing exploded i had an idea that maybe people in movies used to hold guns at their hip was because this used to be a more common occurrence
Anonymous No.64124770 >>64124845 >>64171185
A lot of these gun manufacturers and various models they produce have enabled people with low incomes living in sketchy areas to defend themselves and their homes when they otherwise wouldn't have been able to. If you're a single mom trying to get by on a waitress' wages, you probably can't afford an H&K, but you likely can scrape together enough for a 9mm Hi Point. I'd rather have one of those than rely on a baseball bat or Walmart chef's knife.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64124772 >>64125435 >>64125444 >>64125964 >>64126732
>>64123288
You can usually find them being sold online for like ~150 but by the time you pay shipping and transfer it doesn't make sense. There are much better pistols available nowadays even in the $200 range.

You really aren't going to want to carry it. The picture doesn't adequately show just how large and blocky it is, plus it feels like a brick. That and you have to carry on an empty chamber because there is a significant risk of P320ing yourself, as is the case for all the guns in this thread.

Collecting and shooting them for shits and giggles is one thing, but actually betting your life and safety on one is out of the question.
Anonymous No.64124845 >>64125945 >>64125964 >>64173232
>>64124770
sccy has people covered if they live in a pot metal state. the cpx2 was my first gun ever and besides being snappy and not fun to shoot it is reliable.
Anonymous No.64125435 >>64125964 >>64126732
>>64124772
That’s the problem, I was more joking about actually carrying one I wouldn’t but I really would like one just as a relic of that period of time, there’s a cool factor to owning one of the worst mass production firearms ever made. Ideally I would want to find one in person so I wouldn’t have to pay shipping or FFL transfer fee so then I could get one around 100 bucks at the door, I just wish there was a easier way to find stuff like that. I know they’re floating around.
Anonymous No.64125444
>>64124772
Also, hipoints actually are surprisingly drop safe from what I know.
Anonymous No.64125945 >>64125964
>>64124845
Based SCCY knower. I tell people about them all the time, theyre a good entry level/budget pick for sure and I own two myself
Anonymous No.64125964 >>64126051
>>64124753
>the idea of these junk guns always interests me because for as cheap and trashy as some of these are they will still fire a bullet that could have the consequences of any other firearm.

Exactly. The big draw for me is that there are bright spots in these junk guns as well, all of the old .32 S&W revolvers are a joy to shoot. Most of the .22LR handguns are easy on the hands. Lots of value and fun to be had, but there is a lot of garbage out there.

>>64125435
Cabelas, Pawn Shops, Guns.com and parts kits if you make the printer go brrrr

>>64124845
>>64125945
RIP. I have a CPX-2 I bought 8 years ago I'm just now getting around to putting the MCARBO kit into. Got a pair of 15 round mags and the mag sleeve so I'm going to test a theory.

>>64124772
>but actually betting your life and safety on one is out of the question.

happens day in and day out. They are cheap protection for sure.
Anonymous No.64126051 >>64158040
>>64125964
Is there a way to like search for listings locally with it? Thanks though
Anonymous No.64126343 >>64126349 >>64126354 >>64148842
I bought a Phoenix .22 right before they went out of business. It's a piece of shit but it's so much fun to shoot.
Anonymous No.64126349 >>64126452
>>64126343
Does that have a pop-up barrel? Idk why but I love those
Anonymous No.64126354 >>64126452
>>64126343
Oh, it sucks. I thought they were still around, I think for a fun little 22 range toy. They actually look really cool and I’ve heard they function just fine.
Anonymous No.64126452 >>64126715 >>64137792
>>64126349
Nope, no tip-up barrel. The problem with tip-up barrels is that you can't have an extractor and have to rely on blowback to push the casing out of the chamber. I'd choose positive extraction over a tip-up barrel any day.
>>64126354
Mine functions great. I did have to deepen the extractor groove slightly to get it running right though. I also did the "safety mod" which fixes the utterly retarded manual of arms that it has and makes it function mostly like a normal pistol. The only gripe I have is that it's crazy inaccurate compared to my SW Victory, but that's not really a fair comparison. It's actually the last of the ring of fire guns, and you can tell they were trying to make a legitimate but inexpensive plinker instead of something use against aggressive johns or intransigent gas-station clerks. I think the reason they went out of business is just that you can get a TX22 or P17 for only a little more money, and those are both way better.
Anonymous No.64126478 >>64126591 >>64126593
>junk guns


So,
no rifles or shotguns?
Anonymous No.64126591 >>64126724 >>64126755 >>64136798
>>64126478
>shotguns
Anything made by Turkey
Does anyone have the video of that non-American guy shooting about 20 Turkish shotguns, laid on the ground, and like 19 of them fail/break within the first 7 shells? I can't find it anywhere
Anonymous No.64126593
>>64126478
IO AKs
Anonymous No.64126715
>>64126452
I also just like the style of it, especially the longer barrel version it almost looks like a Walther
Anonymous No.64126723 >>64168678
>>64124761
It's an old military/police aiming technique. You can rotate your torso and head at the same time and have a good idea of where you're going to hit. Can shoot pretty accurately like that. Also, I feel like if the barrel actually bursts it's worse there as that shit is coming right up in your face even with safety glasses. Right under your chin, right under your glasses.

...Or it's just some old movie trope.
Anonymous No.64126724 >>64126735 >>64131570
>>64126591
PSA had a sale on a Turkish lever action shotgun that I just went ahead and bought because it was like $250 and I thought it would be cool. Surprisingly a few issues with it, I’ve shot 3 inch magnums as well through it too
Anonymous No.64126732
>>64124772
>>64125435
That's the problem with me wanting an old IJ top break in 22LR as well. They're not good enough for me to want to pay much more than like $125.
Anonymous No.64126735
>>64126724
Only a few, like it occasionally nosedives rounds and will jam up, but it’s very uncommon and not a natural issue when shooting most of the time. It hasn’t blown up either, which is also good.
Anonymous No.64126755 >>64126875
>>64126591
That YT video got taken down and there are WEBMs/MP4s but IDK about with audio.
>"Broked" (?)
Anonymous No.64126875 >>64127263 >>64127267
>>64126755
Still can't find it :(
Anonymous No.64127107
>>64121808 (OP)
Lol I have two of these, one of which is nickel plated or something
Anonymous No.64127122 >>64128626 >>64131404
>>64124714
Wait they make the fucking reciever out of zamak? Lmao holy shit I didn't know that. That is what hot wheels are made of for anyone not familiar with casting
Anonymous No.64127263 >>64127275 >>64136783
>>64126875
I'm sure I downloaded it on another computer somewhere but I don't remember what the title was. And that would not be an easy search especially if I was going through an era where YT downloaders weren't grabbing titles and I forgot to re-title it. I can find this gif and that's it. And now I remember, it wasn't "broked", it was "stucked bolt".
Anonymous No.64127267
>>64126875
screenshot I had in my folder I didn't see in my search...
Anonymous No.64127275 >>64136783
>>64127263
Short clip I have from some thread. Titled "UZKON UNG-12 TEST Broken receivers !!!".
Anonymous No.64127455
>>64121863
They should bring it back now that glock clones are all the rage
Anonymous No.64128117
>>64121808 (OP)
Lorcins had the best lines of the ring of fire pistols
Almost raygun like with the trigger guard
Anonymous No.64128144 >>64128637
I have one of these. A Sundance Industries Laser 25. It has a manual safety on the left side as well as a grip safety. The laser, when it hasn’t devoured its battery, has as far as I can tell, no way to adjust for POI. The sights are theoretical at best.

Still, it’s cyberpunk as hell and I got it for free.
Anonymous No.64128626
>>64127122
it must save them enough to do so and still be able to have these sell for $120-180 with a lifetime warranty and ive never seen anyone post about a blown up hipoint. they look like shit but they are reliable.
Anonymous No.64128637 >>64133975
>>64128144
>A Sundance Industries Laser 25
interesting how much it looks like >>64121976 with a laser strapped on
Anonymous No.64130756 >>64132026
>>64124593
lol they cut so many corners that even the box is a triangle
Anonymous No.64131404
>>64127122
Zamak shows up fairly often in cheap guns, even "good" ones like henry's .22 leverguns.

Hi point's use of it is one of the more honest and sensible, being a big, dumb block of it for weighing the blowback that doesn't try to look like anything other than a big dumb block

By contrast the 9mm ring of fire guns are a poor and dishonest use of it, being underbuilt for their caliber.
While lower caliber examples get by decently well, a 9mm Kb is a lot more dramatic than a .32 or .25 so catastrophic failure is inherently less dangerous.
Anonymous No.64131570 >>64132575 >>64147930
>>64122324
>.25 enjoyer
I love this stupid little shitgun so much it's unreal.

>>64126724
I bought one of those semi auto ones off of PSA because I have brainworms and am pleasantly surprised it hasn't jammed or ftf'd in any way. Eats the cheapest Monarch and highest speed lowest drag Federal no problem. It's been instrumental in my war against those green fish egg eating shellback bastards.
Burt !Gummer6chk No.64131577 >>64132575
Anonymous No.64132026
>>64130756
fucking kek
Anonymous No.64132575 >>64132598 >>64133344
>>64131570
this looks sick, reminds me of a colt 1908 if they werent $900

>>64131577
wow what a fucking awful idea for a gun i wish i could get one
Anonymous No.64132598
>>64132575
>22LR
>out of a 3.5" bbl
>75 yards effective range
(x) Doubt
Anonymous No.64133344
>>64132575
Did you say "I can't believe it's not a vest pocket"?
Anonymous No.64133370 >>64133488
>>64124574
What about the .380 and 10mm ones?
Anonymous No.64133488
>>64133370
The 10mm is definitely way newer than the original trinity caliber guns so it naturally was born into the world in the modern hi point form factor.
Looks like it's billed from Mansfield, Ohio on the slide so it's likely made in the 9mm hi point factory despite being one of the large frames like the .40 and .45. with the same three letters beginning with J name scheme.

The .380 is also too new as far as I know but I can't recall exactly when it came out.
But it's just a straightforward modification of the C9 and shares it's name scheme so it almost certainly comes from the same line

A note on factories, sometimes the subcontractor factories just isn't there
I don't know if that means sometimes the guns are also made in the main factory or what and it's frustratingly difficult to find hi res enough pictures of hi point slides to read the subcontractor factory so there's only so much I can do
Anonymous No.64133903
Do guns dream of plastic lowers?
Anonymous No.64133975
>>64128637
It's a raven, this dude
>>64122324
With a laser strapped on.
With little cheap blowbacks you get a lot of sameface for obvious reasons.
Just look at the over 9000 Ruby clones out there.
Nothing new under the sun
Burt !Gummer6chk No.64134689 >>64135705 >>64136761 >>64138116
Anonymous No.64135705
>>64134689
>American arms made in Spain
>Logo is Australia
Where were you when globalism the gun?
Anonymous No.64136549 >>64136683 >>64136727 >>64171447
Type 80 chink neo broomhandle in 7.62x25.
Shitty because it overheated after a full F/A magdump and was generally unsatisfactory
Anonymous No.64136683 >>64136689
>>64136549
geez what a pencil barrel
no wonder it overheats
Anonymous No.64136689
>>64136683
This isn't even the only time they've given a gun too light of a barrel then acted shocked when it overheats easily
Anonymous No.64136727 >>64137140 >>64137840
>>64136549
You fucking noguns fuckwit
It's a pistol, what the fuck do you mean overheat? Does it glow red hot? no? then it's fine
Anonymous No.64136761
>>64134689
is this like the illuminauti films with nick cage, but in gun form?
What does it MEAN burt?
Anonymous No.64136783 >>64138773 >>64171372
>>64127275
>>64127263
They keep churning these nerf supersoakers out, so who keeps buying them?
Turkish farmers?
Do PKK shoot them once and then throw them in the dirt as they melt away? And then buy another?
Anonymous No.64136798 >>64137643
>>64126591
never forgetti the shitty Chinese Shotgun saga
https://youtu.be/NVAVpEU9Txg
https://youtu.be/ZeBP4S5tUOw
https://youtu.be/KGkou63CSEg
Anonymous No.64137140 >>64137613 >>64137716
>>64136727
However, this sample also had many disadvantages. Thus, when firing in short bursts, the thin-walled barrel quickly heated up, which could lead to spontaneous ignition of the next cartridge fed into the chamber from the magazine. After three bursts of 10 shots, the Type 80 pistol heated up so much that the next shot could occur within 10 seconds even with the bolt not fully closed.
Anonymous No.64137613 >>64137840 >>64138004
>>64137140
>After three bursts of 10 shots, the Type 80 pistol heated up so much that the next shot could occur within 10 seconds even with the bolt not fully closed.
Noguns noguns noguns
Guns don't work like that
Anonymous No.64137643
>>64136798
I kinda want one of those. There's also a LGS that has a more modern version of that for like $250 but IIRC it uses plastic mags. I have no reason to want one and the mags are not easy to find especially on the old ones but damn does something about them look neat. Mossberg does it too, yeah, but IIRC they use real ugly ass fat weird plastic mags.

Weirdly it seems there's been a lot more (probably mostly import) mag fed "normal looking" 12ga shotguns than I thought. ATIS, SAS, the one at my LGS. Wonder if the ATIS sucks or not. Can't say I've ever seen one in person.
Anonymous No.64137716 >>64137993
>>64137140
>After three bursts of 10 shots, the Type 80 pistol heated up so much that the next shot could occur within 10 seconds even with the bolt not fully closed
Are you talking about a cook off?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO18uWPcnko
Anonymous No.64137792
>>64126452
I have two Beretta bobcats with the tip up barrels, one in 22lr and one in 32acp, and neither have ever had a failure to extract or eject for me. Like any tiny pistol they are grip sensitive though, I had a friend shoot the .32 and get a stoppage every 2-3 rounds, worried it had developed an issue I shot it, but ran through 3 or 4 mags without an issue. They’re good CC options if you need something tiny. The 32 isn’t my EDC, but it does go into the pocket if I’m running to the grocery store or something.
Anonymous No.64137840 >>64138069
>>64137613
>>64136727
>doesn’t know what cook-off is
>you’re the noguns
Why do you think open bolt machine guns are a thing?
Anonymous No.64137993
>>64137716
this is the only source on the topic and it was some russian blog from 2007 so its just a translation. its likely what theyre talking about though. whether or not its true i dont know, but its 1980s chinkshit so it could be true.
Anonymous No.64138004
>>64137613
you dont have to come here to pretend to know about guns, this is an anonymous board.
Anonymous No.64138069
>>64137840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IY9tR7B8dE
Anonymous No.64138116
>>64134689
>American arms made in Spain
>Australia
Mutt gun lol.
Anonymous No.64138773 >>64138964 >>64139506
>>64136783
Supposedly they actually do make functional guns, but only sell those in Turkey. They only export the ones that failed QC testing.
>working guns for me
>guns that jam or explode for goy- I mean infidels
This is why I never buy Turkish. I don't care if people say the Tisas is amazing or whatnot, I simply refuse to interact with such a vile people.
Anonymous No.64138964 >>64139506 >>64139974
>>64138773
Girson and Tisas are both decent quality from what I’ve heard from everyone who’s actually bought them.
Burt !Gummer6chk No.64139394 >>64140308 >>64174686
Anonymous No.64139506
>>64138773
>>64138964
There are a lot of turkish guns that are cheap and supposedly good.
But I can't bring myself to own anything made by their roach fingers.
It's hard for me to choose who is worse: pajeets or turkroachs. Either way, they both smell like shit and have tiny cocks
Anonymous No.64139974 >>64141260
>>64138964
See the above:
>I don't care if people say the Tisas is amazing or whatnot
>I simply refuse to interact with such a vile people.
Also the only non-American 1911 I'd ever deign to buy is a Kongsberg. That's the one exception, anything else should rightfully be American-made, as it's America's gun.
Anonymous No.64140308
>>64139394
>no Vegata
the croatians are displeased and you should change your ways
Burt !Gummer6chk No.64140667 >>64173034
Anonymous No.64141260 >>64141468
>>64139974
Tbh flips deserve to make them too.
They love the thing enough and still put it to work doing what it was designed for: killing other flips
Anonymous No.64141468 >>64142897 >>64144858 >>64173759
>>64141260
Flips are a peaceful people. All they want to do is live in an unlicensed hut off a highway, fuck all the time, watch Western TV, and eat junk food. There's not really a culture of violence for the average person. They just want to live as NEETs, not produce anything/work, and have their relatives in the West send them money.
>t. went to Naga/Daet last year
Anonymous No.64142882 >>64143364
Cobray pocket pal dual caliber top break
Really cobray/SWD/whatever's entirely catalog is prime fodder for this thread alongside intratec
Anonymous No.64142897 >>64143059
>>64141468
>All they want to do is live in an unlicensed hut off a highway, fuck all the time, watch Western TV, and eat junk food. There's not really a culture of violence for the average person.
if you try to take that away you get shot
Anonymous No.64142918 >>64142972
https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns
Excellent resource on obscure handguns, many of which are small and certainly some of which are shitty
Like this little Rossi princess .22, an M frame clone in .22 lr
Bulldog for scale
Anonymous No.64142972 >>64143209
>>64142918
>https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns
Reminder that it is right to kill all who own a social media company.
Anonymous No.64143059
>>64142897
Not much to take away honestly
Anonymous No.64143209
>>64142972
In who's world is some random old gun page a social media company?
Anonymous No.64143364 >>64146507
>>64142882
dang that turd looks kind of cool. ill probably never find one
Anonymous No.64144858
>>64141468
Magandang umaga! My name is Ginoong Ken.

I'm a 27-year-old American kusinero (chef for you dayuhan). I cook adobo ng pagpag and sisig in my kawali, and spend my days perfecting my craft and playing superior Pilipino games (Sabong, binge drinking, theft)

I train my gamecock every day, this superior fowl can cut clean through an innocent bystander because I strapped knives to its feet and it is vastly superior to any other bird on earth. I earned my sentensyador license two years ago and I have been getting better every day.

I speak the language fluently, both Filipino and the Tagalog dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Filipino history and their arnisador code, which I follow 100%

I own several barongs, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to the Philippines, so I can fit in easier. I mano po to my elders and seniors and speak Filipino as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in the Philippines!
Anonymous No.64146507 >>64146513 >>64146606 >>64147852 >>64148180
>>64143364
Clerke Technicorp Clerke 1st
Extremely shitty revolver in .22 and .32
Anonymous No.64146513 >>64146520 >>64147852
>>64146507
Anonymous No.64146520 >>64147852 >>64166892
>>64146513
Anonymous No.64146606 >>64147824 >>64148180 >>64148844
>>64146507
i actually saw a bunch of auctions for these when i was shopping for guns under $100 and even then it felt like this was just too much of a piece of shit to own.
Anonymous No.64147824 >>64148180 >>64148844
>>64146606
tiny, sometimes.22 short only revolver is just about the bottom of the bottom of the SnS barrel
Here's the Imperial Metal Products IMP
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64147852
>>64146507
>>64146513
>>64146520
I've seen one of these, along with the RG14. If you ever wondered what it would be like if a dollar store cap gun could be made to fire live ammunition, now you know.
Anonymous No.64147930
>>64131570
FIE titans are dope. I miss mine.
Anonymous No.64148180
>>64147824
>>64146606
>>64146507
ive never seen an auction for one that didnt have the nickel plating all fucked to shit
Anonymous No.64148640 >>64148648
>>64124722
Hi point is fucking awesome. I convinced my dad to get a c9 when I was 18 and I shot so many of my pissing hot reloads through it. Everyone would shit talk it/me at the range and after letting them shoot it I could see the seethe in their faces. The fixed barrel makes it pretty damn accurate and even tho it's made of pot metal there's enough of it to make it sturdy.

It feels like such a piece of shit and the fact it works so goddamn well is awesome. Also gotta love the company doesn't give a shit about the hate and leans into the memes. I wish more gun companies were as based and wholesome
Anonymous No.64148648 >>64148651 >>64149310
>>64148640
the barrel is not made of pot metal, the slide and parts of the frame are.
you are going to +P zemac
Anonymous No.64148651
>>64148648
are not*
Anonymous No.64148842 >>64148948 >>64158207
Here's a shitty obscure handgun, shitty obscure rifle, and a shirt for a shitty obscure firearms manufacturer.
>>64126343
Fuck I didn't even know they went out of business, must have been super recent.
Anonymous No.64148844 >>64148948
>>64146606
>>64147824
I don’t know why I’d buy this when I can get a Roughrider for like $150 and have something that is actual neat and fun
Anonymous No.64148948 >>64149060 >>64150029 >>64166577
>>64148842
Phoenix and SCCY IIRC. While I really see no reason for them to continue existing (for a little more you can get something so much better) it still sucks to see them go. SCCY might've been a little more quality maybe but I can't say I've ever shot one.

>>64148844
Don't want to talk shit about it but I've heard it doesn't hold up in higher round counts IIRC. Shit, I've even heard bad about the Ruger Wrangler when it comes to accuracy (in 22LR; do they use a mag barrel?). 22Plinkster seems to be able to hit with his just fine though so maybe where I heard that from had a lemon or wasn't quite being honest. Then again I also looked at the Diamondback and watched and read people's experiences with them and fuck they're bad too lol. I just want a quality DA/SA swing out revolver in 22LR that isn't like $1000 (S&W). I know of an H&R top break for a little over $300 near me but it popped up at the worst fucking time. No cash and when I do get cash I'm putting it straight into savings and a hunting rifle.
Anonymous No.64149060
>>64148948
Most of the experiences with them, I’ve heard have been relatively decent, after about 1000 or so rounds you might want to replace some of the internal springs, but those are also cheap to buy. Mine has been completely fine. Someday I wanna get an actual full power single action but this works for now. Most the reviews I’ve seen are still positive largly
Anonymous No.64149086 >>64149088 >>64151245 >>64172268
I have this springfield savage 20g shotgun that would have been a sears and robuck special in the mid 70s that was owned by my uncle,
my dad took it apart to make it into a wall-hanger for his parents and had to have a gunsmith put it back together for him and the gunsmith allegedly said something along the lines of
this gun is not servicable, you are not supposed to take it apart, it's a cheapo piece of shit and you probably shouldn't even shoot it now, probably.
I have been shooting it,
sometimes the lock sticks and also sometimes it tries to send two out of the tube at the same time causing a jam.
Anonymous No.64149088
>>64149086
>my dad took it apart to make it into a wall-hanger
I want to clarify he wasn't trying to disable it but thoroughly clean and polish it because it was presumably filthy.
Anonymous No.64149310 >>64149333 >>64149393 >>64149414 >>64151245 >>64152816
>>64148648
Yeah I knew that but now it makes me wonder... How long do you think a zamak barrel would last with 9mm?
Anonymous No.64149333 >>64149374
>>64149310
I mean, it wouldn’t make financial sense to do it because it’s probably cheaper to use it for casting and then just put a cheap steel barrel insert in.
Anonymous No.64149374
>>64149333
At the very least it would need to be sleeved like a 22 but it would probably be too heavy and retarded at that point to not just make a fucking regular barrel for it. But I still wonder how many 9mm rounds it would take to strip the rifling from a zamak barrel, bonus points for bimetal jacket +p bullets. Even a smoothbore would probably get all fucked up after a single mag
Anonymous No.64149393 >>64149414 >>64149551 >>64149689
>>64149310
That reminds me of how some old 22s (~100+ y/o + especially the cheap ones) actually had brass barrels. Yes, honest to god brass. I believe the Hamiltons were mostly brass barreled; most had an iron shroud tube over them much like a Red Ryder, which would be odd but this company lead to the eventual creation of Daisy believe it or not.
https://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2019/08/firearm-factory-of-month-hamilton-rifle.html
They made pump and single shot, all rifled. Apparently not that durable. Not sure about ZAMAK but it might be okay with loads of rather low pressure and like, soft lead cast only maybe. I'm no metallurgist nor engineer though so while it certainly seems possible I can't say whether it would last or be safe. God help you when that thing gets some age, too, as bad ("contaminated") blends of ZAMAK can develop something similar to tin pest where the whole thing starts to crumble, almost like you put gallium on aluminum. It's a huge problem for old toy collectors and totally up to luck whether that batch of material was good or not.

PS: Hamilton rifles were often given away via random chance. Some models of single shot were placed into large sacks of dry feed at random. Some lucky farmers would cut open a sack of feed only to find a brand new Hamilton single shot lol. I believe the pump models were also given away as a prize for getting x number of people to sign up for subscriptions to a magazine or newspaper. Boys would essentially go door to door trying to get enough subscriptions to get a rifle in the mail. As I read they supposedly weren't built super well but weren't junk, but the easy-to-screw-up brass barrel and overall cost cutting measures meant a lot of them got used around the farm hard and that means a lot of them went into the farm trash pile. They're uncommon but I've run across several for anywhere from $800 (immaculate condition TBF) to $125 for a pair (one functional, one beater easy to restore).
Anonymous No.64149414 >>64149551 >>64172268
>>64149310
>>64149393
Forgive me a second, apparently they were often 22 Short (not LR) upon a quick second check (double check to be sure, don't take my word for it). But a lot are listed as "22RF" or "22 Rimfire" in original ADs. That may explain the marking on one of my revolvers as it's marked "22 Rimfire", not CB, Short, Long, or Long Rifle. Could explain how someone got the forcing cone to crack (possibly twice), lol.

PS: Here's a No 19 NFA exempt 12" barrel model that sold for......$50. LOL.
Anonymous No.64149551 >>64149666
>>64149393
>>64149414

I think I had some old hot wheels that would get some weird corrosion on them, that's super wacky that zamak could just nope apart. Imagine opening your dad's old gun case and finding half a gun and a bunch of dust. And why the cunting fuck would anyone make a brass sleeved barrel even for a 22? Cool it gave birth to Daisy but my god it sounds like the brainchild of some mongoloid mercury tincture drinking turn of century top hat businessman. How is the world still here with everyone having been so catastrophically retarded as fuck jfc
Anonymous No.64149666 >>64150964 >>64162126 >>64172268
>>64149551
Look at the price for this rifle and understand why it existed before the GCA and NFA. I'm not saying "haha wow it's like less than $5" like some retards who don't understand inflation, I'm saying even with inflation this probably isn't even a hundred dollar rifle (IIRC Rem Mod 12s and IJs went for around $8-12 MAYBE 5-10 years later than this AD which comes out to about $100-125 last I checked). There was no such thing as paperwork, you just got your shit. You know those cheap-ass chinese toys you get as surprise prizes in cereal and as a "reward" for selling junk? Yeah this is the gun equivalent of that. They're cheap guns for kids. Like, CHEAP CHEAP guns for kids. The barrel isn't even sleeved, I think the steel is just for looks LOL. The brass is actually pretty thick, albeit thinner than a normal 22LR barrel probably. Remember also that "gunmetal" is actually a form of bronze, believe it or not, so it's not too far-fetched to try and use brass on super low power RF rifles. Also remember around this time people were still shooting "gallery guns" indoors. Shit, there were kits to put a hardwood cabinet in your livingroom to store a target, rifle, and some ammo to shoot down your hallway into your livingroom to entertain guests and have fun. No doubt in my mind carnivals used these in shooting galleries as well.

Also that guy was legitimately trying to do anything he could to get a business to stay alive lol. He was into guns, windmills, and early (modern) air rifles. Ironically those air rifles were a gift given with the purchase of some windmills IIRC (?) but that's where his real money was in the end. Haven't re-read the Hamilton history for a while I'll be honest.
Anonymous No.64149689 >>64169750
>>64149393
>brass barrels
Why? Not only is it weaker than steel, but it's also more expensive. Literally no advantage
Anonymous No.64150029 >>64151245
>>64148948
>sccy
Damn RIP to kel tec's misbegotten child.
I had no idea

Wonder what did them in?
>notices of pending seizure for unpaid taxes

Oh. Lmao.
Anonymous No.64150964 >>64152448 >>64152484
>>64149666
>Not shooting hand loaded wax slugs in your parlor/living room in 2025

If only it weren't for lead poisoning. If I started doing this do you think I'd be worse off than everyone breathing leaded gas fumes in the 70s? How long did parking attendants take to go insane before they got rid of leaded gas?

I guess it makes sense given the proliferation of temu junk you'd find on ashens but I'd think for something that could kill shit you'd cut corners instead of the core of a product to make a quick buck. Maybe if Asians weren't as authoritarian about guns we'd see more super high powered airguns from there that would grenade and kill people. Like those older cheap chairs gas lifts that would randomly sodomize its users. Some part of me is still irrationally afraid of cheap office chairs
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64151245 >>64151427 >>64172268
>>64149086
That's a Stevens 69 variant. The gunsmith is correct. They are remarkably dog shit, even by standards of crappy US made pump shotguns which were abundant at the time.
The action bar is weak, the dimensions around the elevator are very tight so they have constant feeding problems, extractors are fragile and the piece connecting the receiver to the stock is some sort of alloy pot metal waffle looking thing that breaks easily so the stock can just snap off out of nowhere and there's no real way to fix it.

It's crazy to think that a 12ga version of it was frequently issued to police departments and in Vietnam at the time. Having to actually rely on one as a weapon in a life and death situation because your COC cheaped out is a horrifying prospect, but not unique to this model. The S&W 916 was somehow even worse.
>>64149310
Not very long. It would probably be functionality smoothbore after a box of ammunition.
>>64150029
SCCY pistols were being sold so cheap that it's a wonder if they made much profit in the first place. That doesn't leave any money in reserve to deal with problems like a steep tax bill.
Anonymous No.64151427 >>64151611 >>64152513
>>64151245
>They are remarkably dog shit, even by standards of crappy US made pump shotguns
this is the only family heirloom I have, there is a 10 or 12 shot 22.mag revolver that I have never seen in person from my grandfather that I expect to receive but thanks for reminding me my family never had anything cool.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64151611
>>64151427
I speak from experience on those. Got a 69RXL police spec one years ago for cheap and I couldn't give it away fast enough.

It did work OK if used carefully with 2 3/4" shells with tall brass bases. Steel bases are a no-go and stay away from anything with particularly high velocity. NEVER gravity pump or mortar/butt stroke it to extract a stuck shell, you will break the stock and/or action bar.
Anonymous No.64151902
>>64121808 (OP)
As pretty as she is, this is going to be a future entry. Say what you want but at least it isnt the hermaphrodite of 'still not good' but 'sacrificed too much of the look' that is the DD version.
Anonymous No.64152448
>>64150964
From what I understand the biggest issue is the lead in the primers rather than the lead bullets. So Aguila Colibris might be the smartest choice here for the lowest velocity available (limit dust created) and their supposed lead-free primers. Or shoot air rifles. This is the one time I might recommend lead free pellets (they're fucking garbage for accuracy because they're light as fuck and pricey as fuck). Not sure if I'd want to play with 15 foot pounds of power in the house but a strong metal pellet trap with a paper in front of it and an iron sighted Gamo Swarm would be something fun. Might still want earpro though lol. Not loud outside, but inside? The pellet trap would be pretty loud probably. Or get a 1377/1322 and shoot that with a stock (mod. 1399). The steel breech kit even allows for installation of an improved rear sight.
Anonymous No.64152484 >>64156999
>>64150964
>I guess it makes sense given the proliferation of temu junk you'd find on ashens but I'd think for something that could kill shit you'd cut corners instead of the core of a product to make a quick buck. Maybe if Asians weren't as authoritarian about guns we'd see more super high powered airguns from there that would grenade and kill people. Like those older cheap chairs gas lifts that would randomly sodomize its users. Some part of me is still irrationally afraid of cheap office chairs
Oh also regarding this IIRC there are tons of cheap PCP air rifles from China and Turkey. I think it was a Chinese company that made the Dragon Claw (Seneca?) PCP shotgun. Hatsan (Turkey) sells cheap PCP rifles. I believe there's tons of cheap Chinese PCP rifles around $200 or so. Not sure about you but I just do fucking not trust an air rifle at those prices that also comes with a 3000PSI air tank. Some of the tanks are on the forend, some of them are built into the forend, and some of them are in the stock right under your cheek next to your neck. Yeah no fuck that lol. I've never heard of problems, but genuine high pressure plus cheap is something I do not fuck around with. I don't even like cheap air compressors and they don't even get up to 200PSI.
Anonymous No.64152513
>>64151427
It could be worse, anon, I ain't getting shit. Anything that was in the family went away long before my time and the only remaining guns are ones I never saw or were in the wrong part of the family for me to inherit.
Anonymous No.64152816
>>64149310
not long enough for you to sell it with a lifetime warranty that follows the gun i bet
Anonymous No.64153508 >>64153549
>>64122324
is this what this gun is? what's the front/back look like?
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64153549 >>64153972
>>64153508
Yep, that's a Raven Arms MP-25
Anonymous No.64153972 >>64154367
>>64153549
neet. I remember someone asking and someone saying they thought it was, but thats nice to have a proper confirmation
Anonymous No.64153981
>>64124593
naming a gun after a straight up caliber is a gangster as fuck move. imagine releasing a "5.56", so EVERY page of any gun, conflict, firefight on Wikipedia has to deal with it
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64154367 >>64156043 >>64157188
>>64153972
Finally got off my ass to take a shot of my crime gun collection as it sits now.
Anonymous No.64154486 >>64154514 >>64154988 >>64155450
>>64121808 (OP)
How about two obscure varieties of a famous shitty gun?
High point has the honor(?) of making the only .380 and .30 SC carbines on the market, the 3895 and 3095 respectively.
But one easily guess why they have those particular markets cornered
Pictured is the 3095. No I'm not going to post the .380 version too. I assure you it looks like a hi point carbine
Anonymous No.64154514
>>64154486
Ok I lied but only to show off the garish knockoff muddy girl camo factory finish option and so you too can see what the scootypuff Jr of firearms looks like
Anonymous No.64154988
>>64154486
A 30 super scary carbine might actually be interesting. I’d be curious to see what the velocity on that are
Anonymous No.64155450
>>64154486
Why does Hi Point make a carbine in 30 SC and not a handgun in that chambering?
Anonymous No.64155454 >>64155481 >>64168061
Another Intratec, the PROTEC-25
it's a CZ45 clone, you don't see that too often.
Anonymous No.64155481 >>64155516 >>64161366
>>64155454
it fits the Intratec look very well despite being an all metal gun.
Wish Kelgren would design a .25 just to make something smaller and lighter (if only just) than the P32 but it seems like he's only revisiting as far back as his grendel guns
Anonymous No.64155516 >>64155542
>>64155481
And speaking of grendel designs being revisited here's the P-10 demonstrating the party trick that lets it hold 10+1 rounds of .380
Very stark looking little thing, classic Kelgren.
Anonymous No.64155542 >>64155548 >>64161366
>>64155516
A surprising amount of factory accessories and options were available too.
All of them on the same gun is quite the sight
Anonymous No.64155548
>>64155542
Anonymous No.64155712 >>64155750 >>64156056
>>64124640
>pot metal law
qrd?
Anonymous No.64155750
>>64155712
See
>>64124699
>>64124714
Melting point laws, like the GCA import points system it's all targeted at eliminating SnS sales indirectly
Anonymous No.64156043 >>64156564 >>64158410
>>64154367
if this thread is still alive after my morning meetings ill get my saturday night specials together just for all the fellow trash connoisseurs
hopefully i remember my bonus 38 long colt mystery meat.
Anonymous No.64156056 >>64156096 >>64156105 >>64156578
>>64155712
blue states don't want poors and blacks to have guns basically.
Anonymous No.64156096
>>64156056
>and that’s a good thing!
Anonymous No.64156105
>>64156056
based
Anonymous No.64156546
>>64121831
Worse than both at their worst.

Kel-Tec does cheap plastic frames held together by hex-head screws, which isn't fantastic, but loctite those things and they hold up alright.
Hi-Point uses Zamac (zinc alloy) for their slides, which makes for a chunky and bulky pistol, but it holds up and it allows for a cheap retail price.

These Ring Of Fire pistols use slides which are also made of Zamac, but unlike Hi-Point, they don't embed steel plates in the castings to make sure that the pistols will hold up decently, which is why shit like Lorcin, Jennings, Raven Arms, Jimeneze, etc, etc, have all kinds of fragility problems.
The old Raven Arms pistols are also outright unsafe in that that engaging the safety can make them fire, which there were a few fatalities and lawsuits over.

You don't get that with a Hi-Point nor the Kel-Tec, those things hold up and they don't shoot when they aren't supposed to.

>>64121863
I recall hearing Intratec went out of their way to avoid having to do work on the CAT pistol's barrel, so that they are only technically legally rifled, but don't do shit for actually stabilizing bullets, just to keep production price down.
That could be hearsay though, I don't know them closely.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64156564 >>64157096
>>64156043
>.38 Colt mystery gun
Most likely turn of the century Spanish S&W/Colt hybrid clone made of cast iron. Those used to be very common and extremely sketchy.

It's for people who are not satisfied with mere rung of fire guns and must go deeper down the sketchy gun rabbit hole.
Anonymous No.64156578
>>64156056
It keeps the hipoints out of evidence lockers and replaced them with p80 kits
Anonymous No.64156581
>>64124009
I've wondered about these, they look exactly like what AMT would make, so there has to be a connection, right?
Anonymous No.64156942 >>64156948 >>64157146
Intratec TEC-38
A pretty conventional derringer made unconventionally
Anonymous No.64156948 >>64157146
>>64156942
Check it out, neat!
Anonymous No.64156999 >>64157201
>>64152484
I stopped in a gun shop when I lived in Korea and saw a fuck load of those kind of air rifles. I'd never seen anything like them, they looked like very fancy ornate single shot 20ga shotguns with a lever loop. Something like picrel. Looking into it more they seem pretty underpowered for hunting hogs and the lack of knowledge/prevalence makes me wonder if they're grenades. They must use them for targets but there are only a handful of proper non-tourist ranges in the whole country and they told me to fuck off in Changwon when I asked about shooting there. Us gooks kinda make decent shit so maybe their airguns are ok but I for sure wouldn't go near a chinesium one.

The shop also had a wall of proper shotguns, from a cheap single shot break action to a Benelli m4. One of my old coworkers had 2 but he lived in the countryside where everyone's packing and the cops don't give a fuck. It seems anything besides a shotgun is banned for hunting and even then there's a retarded 70 year old who blasts a hiker every year so who knows how long that'll last. I'm hoping guns become more common cause video games and they're the most based about guns in East Asia but still everyone is a cityfaggot and the cityfaggot police are extra faggy about anything remotely dangerous. I hope they don't find my box of illegal shit I left there, it was legal when I bought it all but shits pretty gay there lately.
Anonymous No.64157096 >>64157201
>>64156564
it for sure is a spanish clone, when i took the grips off it had a marking i was able to identify as something from a spanish gun.
my ffl actually sold it to me for $50 when i was picking up a transfer because he didnt want it in his store anymore
Anonymous No.64157146
>>64156948
>>64156942
feels like bond really squashed a lot of these trash heap derringers when they came out with the roughneck for the low to mid 200s
Anonymous No.64157188 >>64157286
>>64154367
How's the Cobray? Got any steel mags for it?
Anonymous No.64157201 >>64158192
>>64156999
They seem to be solid guns but they're definitely limited in power. Taking an air rifle which is already power limited (whether or not it's a design that guzzles air like the Airforce Texan rifle getting a literal handful of shots per fill) and dividing that power/velocity between many, many little pellets is probably at least a little retarded. They're maybe okay for hunting doves/pigeons at close range. Maybe. Before Seneca, there were some other attempts at an air shotgun. Gamo tried (and failed) to make a break action shotgun air rifle (which I own a box of ammo for), so a PCP might work but it's definitely still not ideal. Also then again while I say it's probably solid, they definitely paid just about everyone to shill the things, whether air rifle channels or gun channels. Fucking Demolition Ranch got one of the things FFS. They also offer a model that shoots arrows (probably your best bet) and apparently a kit to make it double-barrel (probably nice to have a followup ready). Also, I can't find a pic but I swear I remember the early ones having something funny about the pressure dial. If you wanted to check how many shots you had left, it was on the end of the tank under the muzzle. Gotta basically look down the barrel to check your pressure LOL. I see a couple with a dial on the side now but I swear the early Senecas had it on the end of the tank, including the one DemolitionRanch had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPO9iY5KHu4

>>64157096
That's why the S&W revolvers after a certain date started getting stamped "Marcas Registradas" BTW.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64157286
>>64157188
It is a VMAC-9 and it takes STEN magazines. In fact it is pictured with a STEN magazine inserted.
Anonymous No.64158011 >>64158034 >>64160069
Here's a less talked of shitter, the Kimmel AP9. It fucking sucks so bad and I sometimes regret making a drunk bid on Gunbroker for it but it does look kinda cool.
Anonymous No.64158034 >>64158070
>>64158011
>It fucking sucks so bad
are you sure you read the manual thoroughly?
Anonymous No.64158040
>>64126051
Not really. But then again its free shipping to any Cabelas/Bass Pro Shops (If that is the direction you go) you just need to call the store with the sku for the online listing and then give them a credit card number and it will be shipped out with the next batch of guns. Its shockingly easy to do.
Anonymous No.64158070
>>64158034
Despite it being plastered on the side, I'm not sure I'd even trust the manual
Anonymous No.64158192 >>64158323 >>64158344 >>64174844
>>64157201
That's fucking dumb they designed it that way. Tbh I thought the air rifle looked cool back when he dropped that video but it really seems there aren't a whole lot of air rifles out there worth a shit. What do you think the theoretical upper limit is in terms of ft/lbs for a somewhat practical airgun? It seems like for hunting bows or muzzleloaders would be a hell of a lot more effective but I'm still interested in airguns as a not-a-firearm type of weapon that would be less restricted overseas. I made some lady really angry with my guitar case cause she was convinced it was a rifle which is probably a bitch and a half for them paperwork wise when people accidentally guns into their luggage. I wanted to import a turkshit 20ga just cause and they said just buy one in the country if I want to shoot anytime in the next decade.

Keeping it on topic are there any shitty 22s disguised as vapes out there? Picrel always seemed like a cool idea but how likely is a shit 22 to grenade?
Anonymous No.64158207 >>64162224
>>64148842
Jesus fuck that's painful to look at. I think I need a shower now
Anonymous No.64158323
>>64158192
no fucking way you could convince me to keep on of these in my pocket
Anonymous No.64158344
>>64158192
Like I said, the later ones are less retarded, but I specifically remember Matt going "and the air gauge is right on the end" or someone doing the same. Seems to be a gen 1 thing. Looks really cool but practically, once you think about it...
>are any airguns worth a shit
Depends on your use case. Mostly expect airguns to have maybe 22 short-tier power at best. However they've been getting very good. You can always go with the absurd 1-5 shot Airforce Texan you can hunt deer and shit with in .357 cal but do not expect many shots per tank. You can go with the very common Crosman 1322/1377 10 pump but expect like 6.2 foot pounds of power (about on par with Aguila colibri, but out of a 10" barrel and much quieter). I believe the Crosman and Daisy full length 10 pump guns actually make more which was a surprise when I looked into it for what felt like the 15th time over many years and finally came up with some data. Gamo makes the Swarm which makes at the very least around 15 foot pounds if not more (hard to find numbers and I really need a cheapo chronograph to start actually putting numbers online because NO ONE ELSE FUCKING WILL). 15 foot pounds is on par with Aguila Super Colibri FWIW. CCI Quiet 710 comes in at 44-45 foot pounds of energy for reference. The biggest upside to the swarm is that it's a pretty decent power breakbarrel pellet rifle that's rather quiet and takes a 10rd rotary magazine. For the price you won't find much better unless you want to get into super low end PCP (and buy a hand pump to pump up to 3000PSI). HOWEVER, the EdGun air rifles (really stocked pistols) get pretty impressive power. Looks like their mid-size rifle in 30 cal makes 64.4 FPE. Some videos for example:
https://www.youtube.com/@EDgunLeshiy/videos
They also make a 9mm rifle @ 120 foot pounds. And you can still get decent power from them like these FX rifles:
https://www.youtube.com/@AirArmsHuntingSA/videos
But don't expect "real gun" power to be practical.
Anonymous No.64158410 >>64158423 >>64161019 >>64174544
>>64156043
here you go fellas
Anonymous No.64158423 >>64158449
>>64158410
Nice sterling.
How's it been for you?
Anonymous No.64158449
>>64158423
besides being a bit scratched and pitted it was accurate at 7 yards and didnt have any failures to feed or eject. that being said i only fired one box through it.
Anonymous No.64159369 >>64159526
>$50
>MFG I have never heard of before (Ind. Argentina Bagual)
>2" barrel, 22 Short only
>ZAMAK or zinc
>stamped fucking trigger like a cheap plastic cap gun
>(cylinder does not rotate with trigger, gunsmith special)
Someone buy this damn thing. There's next to no info on them from a quick search. Most results are not in English. Can't see the top/bottom of the frame so no clue if imported or "found its way here" a while ago lol.
https://centerfiresystems.com/ind.-argentina-bagual-revolver-.22-short-2-barrel-painted/
Anonymous No.64159381
Here's one from a thread I was looking at searching for info. Tiny image because thread from 2008.
>It's made in Argentina, a copy of the square-butt-K-frame Smith and Wesson.
>Low serial number. There were two others at the shop where I got it.
>Ten-shot cylinder
S/N in thread says 00404 (hurr hurr gun not found).
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/terva-revolver.221863/
Anonymous No.64159391 >>64159438 >>64159461 >>64159465 >>64159845
>THIS piece of shit manages to be a DA/SA 10 shot 22LR swing out revolver
>current new 22lr swing out revolver options are "buy a 22LR Smith and Wesson (K/J whatever) for $1000+" or "buy a different Smith and Wesson (LCR) for ~$500-800" or "overpay for a vintage 22LR revolver"
I have no words.
Anonymous No.64159394
Anonymous No.64159438 >>64159457
>>64159391
alfa proj makes a 9 shot that ria sells as the al22. reviews looks good and the czechs make good stuff, I'm probably gonna grab one some day
Anonymous No.64159457
>>64159438
Huh, first I've heard of that. Looks like a S&W frame clone so probably takes K (?) frame grips which is nice. About $459. 22 Mag model oddly cheaper @ $375.
Anonymous No.64159461
>>64159391
Charter Arms sells one for ~$450. It looks like shit thoughever, especially when you can get a Buckmark or SW Victory for the same price.
Anonymous No.64159465 >>64159468
>>64159391
Diamondback makes the Sidekick as well. That usually goes for around 300.
Burt !Gummer6chk No.64159467 >>64159841 >>64165615
Can't get through a mag
Anonymous No.64159468
>>64159465
Looked into them and saw too many issues in reviews to even bother. Which is a shame because it's a modern High Standard IIRC.
Anonymous No.64159526
>>64159369
id buy it for $20 with no transfer fee
Anonymous No.64159841 >>64165615
>>64159467
God the charter arms shit ass AR-7 pistols are so sexy why do they have to not just be shit, but absolutely unusable shit it's not fair.
Why won't henry reintroduce one that works FUCK
Anonymous No.64159845 >>64161050
>>64159391
LCR is a ruger gun you big dummy.
And it's the 3 inch LCRX you'd want.
Though the gay chode barrel is a huge letdown.
Still sounds like a nice kit gun tho
Anonymous No.64160069 >>64162224
>>64158011
The Kimel copies pretty closely from the Tec-9, including using the same magazines, so I imagine that some of the same approaches could help with reliability, like sticking to light ball or reprofiling the extractor.
Anonymous No.64161019 >>64165070
>>64158410
I have this nagging want for a sterling bur between their reputation and how weirdly overpriced they've become it's a really hard sell
Anonymous No.64161050
>>64159845
lol that's what I get for it being like 2-3am and not re reading my post closer to actually give it some thought.
Anonymous No.64161199 >>64162586 >>64172091
The Rogak P18, the lowkey infamous counterfeit of the sexy Steyr GB.
I could go over every single detail like I'm reciting the ForgottenWeapons video, but I'll just be short about how it works: it doesn't, and the manufacturing is comically shitty when you look up close.

Not being able to get even remotely close to making a gas seal so that the gas delay can, well, delay the slide, the quick and dirty solution is to cut off or omit the extractor (depending on the individual gun), and then insert a stack of metal plates and fiber buffers in the frame for the slide to impact. The extractor not being there means it doesn't try to tear off rims anymore, but the buffer stack does almost nothing at all to absorb the impact of the slide, the stack is fragile and it can easily come loose from the frame and then not do its job.

I assume that extremely few of these pistols have a roundcount past the double digits, coming from a mix of people giving up from them not working, or exhibiting its 'intimidating' characteristics.
Contrary to some more optimistic estimations, it's also almost guaranteed that there were only ever a few hundred of these made at the very most, the serials are not directly indicative of production (extra zeroes added, and sporadically), so these absolute pieces of shit are actually very rare.

If you own a real Steyr GB, one of these might be funny as some sort of "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde" kind of thing.
Anonymous No.64161228 >>64161283
Not sure how obscure, but these .380s are the biggest pos you will ever own. Actually manages to give the zip22 a run for its money.
Anonymous No.64161283 >>64161472
>>64161228
Always found it interesting that Cobra was one of the ring of fire companies that put in the most effort into developing it's own products. From a kel tec clone (Patriot 9, pictured) to a Sirkis/CAT-45 clone >>64123980
to a snubnose revolver (shadow) and the only polymer frame versions of classic ravenmorphs (denali series)
Weirdly ambitious.
There's the derringers but they transferred over that tooling from Davis industries though they might have added new models
Anonymous No.64161366 >>64161655
>>64155542
>>64155481
that looks great. would love to see both of them with a huge ass can on it
Anonymous No.64161472
>>64161283
Oops forgot one. Cobra patriot .380, a .380
On a side note what would even do this to an polymer frame and better yet, what would posses a man to buy it as is sans magazine for 179 of of sportsman's outdoor?
Anonymous No.64161655
>>64161366
>would love to see both of them with a huge ass can on it
dubs and I'd love to see a pair of huge ass cans rubbed in my face if you know what I mean (I am referring to female breasts)
Anonymous No.64162126
>>64149666
It's always fun to look at the prices for OLD old gun catalogs and pretend they're modern products
Anonymous No.64162224
>>64158207
Good, it's working as intended.
>>64160069
>The Kimel copies pretty closely from the Tec-9, including using the same magazines
They don't actually. Ask me how I know. Waste of money.
Anonymous No.64162342
>>64121808 (OP)
Γ–WA Pistol
It was basically a commercial failure with less than ten thousand selling in the span of three years (1922-1925). Over 1k of these pistols were assembled with stolen parts and sold by employees to the paramilitary part of the Social Democratic Party of the time. Γ–WA shut down in 1925 and the rest of the pistols were sold by the take-over company Verwertungs-Gesellschaft for only 10 schillings a piece.
Anonymous No.64162586 >>64162651
>>64161199
Fun one, I didn't know it, thx!
Anonymous No.64162651 >>64162740 >>64163240
>>64162586
NTA but here's a great video that shows just how bad they are lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMENPW1M2gg
Anonymous No.64162740
>>64162651
Thx, I just watched the forgotten weapons one, I'll keep that one for later!
Anonymous No.64163240 >>64163332
>>64162651
There’s also a vid I remember watching that came out recently of someone actually shooting two of them
Anonymous No.64163332 >>64163353
>>64163240
That is the vid where he shoots them.
Anonymous No.64163353
>>64163332
Should’ve clicked the link lol, I thought he said it was the forgotten weapons one
Anonymous No.64163864 >>64163871
Rohm RG 26
While most remembered for their shitty awful .22 revolvers they had a fairly large catalog.
No idea on if their other guns were any better than the revolvers but I'd like to know as this little thing has nice lines and I dig the bakelite grips
Anonymous No.64163871
>>64163864
Shit.
An image would be helpful wouldn't it?
Anonymous No.64163890 >>64165650
Another standout from their line is the RG-57, a otherwise conventional DA revolver chambered in the magnum trio.
Also have no idea if it's shit or not but the words "Rohm .44 magnum" don't inspire confidence
Anonymous No.64165070
>>64161019
>$89.95
funny to know since i won this for $40. i think anything over $100 is a hard sell, maybe you can snipe an auction one day
Anonymous No.64165615
>>64159841
>>64159467

The stupid mag is the worst part of the AR-7 /Explorer II.
I have two AR-7's and an Explorer II, and maybe a dozen "factory" mags, of which only 3 or 4 are actually useable. The Ram-Line mags were okay, as long as you kept them away from most gun cleaning chemicals.
Supposedly the new "Henry" made mags are a significant improvement over the Armalite/Charter/Survival Arms versions.
Anonymous No.64165650 >>64166256
>>64163890
The best term for any centerfire Rohm product "garbage". I never saw one that was not just a laughably shit contrivance.
A gun shop I worked at, we gave a goober $100.00 for a Rohm in .38 special that had the frame crack right by the rear sight and at the "crane", from his shooting some old weak dick 130 something grain W-W wadcutter loads meant for indoor target shooting.
We framed it and hung it up with a sign saying "Cheap guns are often cheap for a reason".
Anonymous No.64165743 >>64168635
>>64121990
I've got one too, came without a mag had to track a spare down
Anonymous No.64165816
Anonymous No.64165886 >>64173072
I've got three. One works, one has a broken extractor, the little one is missing a mag but presumed to fire.
Anonymous No.64166008 >>64166029 >>64166265
>>64121836
>>64121837
Anonymous No.64166029
>>64166008
How the fuck is she still just as hot at 50 something? It can't all be surgery.
Anonymous No.64166256
>>64165650
Fucking based
Anonymous No.64166265
>>64166008
>cylinders outside barrel
I saw that Tarantino vampire movie but I totally forgot about that
Anonymous No.64166577 >>64167015 >>64168169
>>64148948
High Standard Sentinel. Not sure if every model is a 9 shot, but some definitely are. Can be found under 300 beans
Anonymous No.64166892
>>64146520
>Grips: White, Black, or Brown Penis
Anonymous No.64167015
>>64166577
Yep that's one of the guns I think is a better choice when it comes to a swing out DA/SA 22 revolver. Shame we lost High Standard. They had decent 22s and shotguns and I don't understand really what killed them other than a lack of advertising and new guns. People go fucking NUTS over their Flite King shotguns. They are fucking smooth, I will say that.
>looks into it
>bought by investment company in 1968
Fucking hell, a tale as old as time, it seems. One of their old locations is now the East Hartford Flea Market, though, which is neat.
Anonymous No.64168061
>>64155454
wew I came here to post this because I think it looks nice
Anonymous No.64168169
>>64166577
I really like these but they're going up in price and they're kind of lightly built so the value is getting dubious.
My perception might be being unduly perverted by gunborker and the only high standard revolver I've seen in a gun shop being a double nine with broken DA they were trying to sell for $400.
And this was almost a decade ago.

That said, high standard sentinel is one of the coolest names for a gun out there, period
Anonymous No.64168635
>>64165743
cant stand sellers that just sell the two separately, bunch of fucking cunts. you see that on cheap old guns all the time
Anonymous No.64168678
>>64126723
Point shooting was a military and police technique of the era. It focuses on putting a first round on a man-sized target at 0-15 yards. It is actually effective, with practice. Bill Jordan and other lawmen of the gunslinger era explained how it was different from movie hipfiring, and could effectively hit a man near center of mass in under .25 seconds. The movie style hipfiring was due to the Hayes convention and other morality laws surrounding film production. Showing someone (especially a villain) actually aiming a gun at another person was hard to get past anti-violence censors, so they did the weird tucked into the side posture. It also made sure the actors' faces were not obscured, which helps with conveying emotions and dialog.
Anonymous No.64169750
>>64149689
Brass was cheaper than steel back then. Eith due to materials costs or machining cost not dure which
Anonymous No.64170729 >>64170782 >>64171735 >>64174268
In the perfect intersection of obscure, cool and shitty we have Erma's mini lugers in .32 and .380
Not true toggle locks but rather funny blowbacks.
Infamous for punting their extractors
Anonymous No.64170782
>>64170729
>just blowbacks
thats kInda neat. fake actions. i kinda want one now
Anonymous No.64171034 >>64171735
not actually obscure but I'm posting anyway
Anonymous No.64171185
>>64124770
There is a difference between
>Shitty but functional if you can't afford anything else
and
>Active menace to yourself and everyone around you
Anonymous No.64171215
>>64121808 (OP)
>obscure
>literally standard issue to black males upon being born
Anonymous No.64171226
>>64124574
thats a really interesting factoid. i wonder i their personalities all match the calibers they are in charge of running. like the 9mm guy is fast and to the point, skinny. the .40 ceo guy is a tight ass, high strung high pressure dude, always stressing out about to burst the seams. the .45 guy is a tubby laid back happy go lucky dude who shows up to work late all the time and is constantly snacking
Anonymous No.64171372
>>64136783
They make good movie props.
Anonymous No.64171447
>>64136549
Luv me tokarevs, luv me broomhandles. This combines both, I wish it wasn't so rare and only in china...
Anonymous No.64171735 >>64171763 >>64172385
>>64170729
They made them in 22LR as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8HTrS0TFG4

>>64171034
For some reason this pic reminds me of those prototype sheetmetal 1911s. Or maybe a theoretical "what if the 1911 were cast out of ZAMAK?" (and also ugly)
Anonymous No.64171763 >>64171791 >>64172631 >>64172815
>>64171735
fucking clone it psa you shits
Anonymous No.64171791
>>64171763
It looks like a pistol from fallout and I want it, probably stupid cheap to make as well. If they’re able to get it in the same price range or cheaper as hipoints, they might actually have a market to profit too.
Anonymous No.64172091 >>64172256
>>64161199
It looks like it'll fall apart if you look at it funny
Anonymous No.64172256
>>64172091
Just about. The manufacturing is hilariously bad, the fitment and machining is very rough, lines and surfaces are not cleanly parallel and even, and the casting quality can best be described as "reguR"
Anonymous No.64172268 >>64172911
>>64149086
>>64149414
>>64149666 satan
>>64151245
interesting
need more rifles and shotguns itt
Anonymous No.64172385 >>64172879
>>64171735
Funnily enough both the .45 hi point carbine and pistol can be converted to 1911 mags.
Which is a practically a cheat code when by comparison you're stuck with the crappy factory mags with the others
Anonymous No.64172631
>>64171763
Contact General Motor's customer service department and ask if they still make those.
Anonymous No.64172815
>>64171763
I'm booting up my mini Dell emulation machine tonight to play some OG Fallout.
Anonymous No.64172879
>>64172385
I think the guy making the replacement magazine release buttons want like $30 for them, so it would be cheaper to just cut new notches in the 1911 magazines instead.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64172911 >>64172919 >>64174846
>>64172268
How about this.

JC Higgins 583.1, numerous number designations after the decimal point indicate variants (583.23 is a 12ga with variable choke for instance).
These were made for Sears by Hi-Standard and sold as cheap workaday tube fed bolt action shotguns. The design works, but is very crude. It is obsolete today because pump actions have gotten so cheap that there is no point in offering a bolt action unless it is built as a rifles slug only shotgun (which Savage still offers).
There was a recall on these which manifested as Sears paying people to turn bolts in for a check and later store credit. It is common for that reason to find these shotguns being sold with no bolt. Do not buy it, because the bolt is worth more than the gun due to the recall. A complete shotgun of this type is already not very rare or valuable, but nice just for the novelty of owning a bolt action shotgun.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64172919 >>64172968 >>64174846
>>64172911
Forgot the photo. Look around some dusty gun shops and you'll eventually spot one. Also Mossberg 395s and Marlin Goose Guns, but those were magazine fed. As far as I know the Hi-Standard ones were the only tube fed bolt actions sold, but I am probably wrong.
Anonymous No.64172929 >>64172969 >>64173030 >>64173092 >>64174648 >>64174678 >>64174763
One of the few times I can post this pic. The olde saturday night special.
Anonymous No.64172968 >>64173136
>>64172919
i have two bolt action shotguns, each i got for about $100. a mossberg in 16ga, and whatever the sears brand was for these in 12ga. when i was picking up the mossberg my guy told me he had the 12ga just come in and he'd sell it to me for the same price and waive his transfer fee. they were both practically unused.
bit weird to shoot bolt action shotgun but i mean they function.
Anonymous No.64172969
>>64172929
This is legitimately a cool graphic. Thanks anon.
Anonymous No.64173030
>>64172929
you have no idea how long I've been looking for the raven arms pepe silvia chart in a decent resolution.
thank you anon
Anonymous No.64173034 >>64173084
>>64140667
Was this the one that was designed so it could also be mounted on a picatinny rail on the bottom of a foregrip, but the company didn't realize this then made it a short barrel rifle and everyone got into deep legal trouble?
Anonymous No.64173072 >>64173086
>>64165886
Bryco 59? There was one of these in the original box at the crappy gun show I set up at this past weekend. No price tag visible, and I wasn't interested enough to ask.
Anonymous No.64173084
>>64173034
I don't think many people, if any at all, got into any trouble for it, because that's not obscure knowledge. Now, the Zip-22 is infamous for being just a complete piece of shit with no real redeeming qualities.

Doubly infamous because USFA used to make extremely high quality and improved Colt 1873 clones (they were heirloom quality revolvers), and they had sold off all of their tooling for that to tool up to make the Zip-22, which is a kind of gun nobody had ever asked for or wanted.
The logic with that was that they would just buy that tooling back after the Zip-22 had made them lots of money, something which it was never going to do.
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64173086 >>64173094
>>64173072
>$950
>That's a bargain sonny, they aren't making no more of em
>I know what I got, if you can't afford quality then move along

Offered a boomer $75 for a Lorcin 380 at the last show and he got turbo pissed. Good times.
Anonymous No.64173092 >>64173125 >>64173130
>>64172929
>AMT 380 Backup
I daily carry the fucking .45 Backup and it's the biggest smallest piece of shit I've ever had. Going to sell it off and buy some sort of USA manufactured all stainless 9mm with the fame footprint.
>Ring of Fire
I keep seeing this term but I don't understand what it means. Please explain?
Anonymous No.64173094
>>64173086
Oh come on, nobody was fucking asking almost a grand for one of those potmetal pieces of shit lmao
Anonymous No.64173125 >>64173541
>>64173092
>>Ring of Fire
Raven, Jennings, Davis, AMT, Bryco, Lorcin, Phoenix, Cobra, and Jimenez all made similar cheap and shitty cast zinc pistols.
All the companies were related and all of them were based in/around Los Angeles.
The "Ring of Fire" was an ominous propaganda name the anti-gunners in the media came up with in the 80/90s to collectively describe these companies.
The name is borrowed from the Pacific ring of fire, a vaguely ring shaped area of geological/volcanic activity which famously stretches into the US west coast, including Los Angeles and causes earthquakes and such.
Anonymous No.64173130 >>64173541
>>64173092
It was a term the ATF came up with to describe this group of companies, which were all making this pattern of cheap potmetal pistol, and which were all owned by this one extended family and their associates, which were all pretty shady people.
I think one of them (was it Jennings or Jimenez?) who got busted and convicted on CP charges, no joke. They also hired a lot of other shady people working in their factories, there were apparently drug deals going on, as well people sneaking out guns from the factory to straw sell, etc.

Arcadia Machine & Tool (AMT) weren't really associated with these people to my knowledge (and didn't have the same kind of crooked employees), but they tended to get rolled into that umbrella because they sold a lot of very cheap and not particularly good quality pocket pistols.
AMT are not known for consistent and stellar quality, but they did make stuff like 1911s of various kinds and their Automag pistols, all which are known to have problems, but tend to be fixable.
Anonymous No.64173136 >>64173156 >>64173184
>>64172968
Semi related but IIRC Savage still makes a bolt action shotgun, believe it or not. Might not quite have the brand right but I saw one on the rack at Cabelas and felt like I was having a stroke when I saw a bolt action shotgun with a polymer stock in camo and a stainless receiver.
Anonymous No.64173156 >>64173180
>>64173136
Savage's bolt-action shotguns have rifled bores and are meant only for slugs, typically special slugs with polymer tips. They're essentially extra large bore rifles, 20-Gauge and 12-Gauge, they have some popularity in states only letting you hunt with shotguns.

The box magazine holds 1 or 2 rounds I think, but most users complain that the magazine doesn't tend to want to work. Not a huge deal though since you're probably only taking one shot at a time anyway, and if you hit a deer with a 12-Gauge slug (which you're going to have rifle-like precision with here), you probably won't need to shoot it twice.
Anonymous No.64173180
>>64173156
Damn, didn't know they were rifled. Just saw a modern bolt action shotgun and was surprised anyone even bothered making them yet. Ironically my state doesn't have that limit so who knows why it was sold here. Hell, shotguns are the only firearms allowed to be semi-automatic for hunting deer here (pretty much everything else has no restriction on semi-auto, only deer are no semi auto except shotguns w/ slug).
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64173184
>>64173136
Yeah that's probably one of their rifles slug guns, they are actually a little expensive because they are low volume production guns designed for a specific niche.

Speaking of Savage, their model 340 is interesting. It was a budget hunting rifle marketed shortly after WW2 when there was a brief shortage of new hunting rifles. It incorporated a nut to secure the barrel to the receiver, which Savage would go on to use on other designs. Early barrels are even said to be recycled from scrap machine gun barrels but I have doubts of that being true.

It is also somewhat unique in being chambered in 30-30 Winchester which is more typically associated with lever actions, but was a pretty standard deer cartridge at the time. Due to relatively low chamber pressure, these rifles only have one locking lug (and a long safety lug that mostly acts as a guide lug during routine use) allowing for an extremely smooth bolt throw. It feeds from a detachable 3-shot magazine.

It wasn't a bad rifle. Perhaps a bit crude, but it did have some innovative features to keep the price low.
Anonymous No.64173197
>>64124371
...can't you just decock it with your thumb?
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64173230 >>64173239 >>64173319 >>64173541
On to something genuinely dreadful. S&W 916, specifically the 916A.

In 1972 S&W bought a struggling shotgun manufacturer called Noble about 25 miles from their own Springfield, Massachusetts plant.
The objective was far from wholesome. S&W was working on deals with large police departments and their political overlords. In exchange for some lobbying and anti-2A knee bending, the departments would be required to purchase ALL of their equipment from S&W, rather than just their service revolvers. S&W had no difficulty supplying handcuffs, batons, holsters and clipboards, but they didn't have a shotgun in their lineup. Enter Noble. Their design was bad and quality was horrible, but it was a pump action shotgun.

They got re branded as S&W 916s, quality somehow dropped even further to save costs, and police departments around the country were force-fed this abomination for extortionate prices they were obligated to pay. Officers having to use this weapon quickly found it unreliable under even the best conditions, and extremely sensitive to any poor quality or high pressure ammunition. In particular the barrels liked to explode and peel open.

S&W was eventually forced to drop the model and the factory associated with it, replacing the 916 with the much better Japanese made 3000 series. Effectively a Remington 870 copy.
Anonymous No.64173232 >>64174544
>>64124845
SCCY is genuinely the worst pistol I've ever shot, and I've shot a lot of garbage
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64173239
>>64173230
And that's a thumbnail.

Anyway, truly horrible thing. Stay away. People trying to upsell them as rare/valuable copsurp but most agencies unfortunate enough to be forced to use them dumped them for anything else at the first opportunity to do so.
Anonymous No.64173319 >>64173375
>>64173230
Oh yeah, I've heard of these. Wonder if anyone bit the dust because their shotgun didn't function when they needed it to?
Resident Wumbologist !!aZ2iZUdyUbF No.64173375 >>64173531
>>64173319
Usually if a police shotgun fails the officer using them has their service pistol or revolver. Having that fail is a much bigger problem.
Anonymous No.64173531
>>64173375
Yeah, but with a 12-Gauge buck or slug load, you can 100% count on your target going down from a center mass hit, unless they're wearing good body armor.
With handgun cartridges, that's not always certain, and the right drugs can push someone far that they can actually tank a half dozen pistol bullets before finally collapsing.
Anonymous No.64173541 >>64173605
>>64173125
>he "Ring of Fire" was an ominous propaganda name the anti-gunners in the media came up with in the 80/90s to collectively describe these companies.
Ah, I see I see, thank you.
>The name is borrowed from the Pacific ring of fire, a vaguely ring shaped area of geological/volcanic activity which famously stretches into the US west coast, including Los Angeles and causes earthquakes and such.
See this is how I'm familiar with the term, so for a moment I wondered if there was some sort of Pacific/Asian manufacturing connection here. Thanks for explaining it to me.

>>64173130
>AMT are not known for consistent and stellar quality, but they did make stuff like 1911s of various kinds and their Automag pistols, all which are known to have problems, but tend to be fixable.
Very true; my father has daily carried an AMT Hardballer (full size 1911 in stainless) for decades and loves that pistol. He's had to put a lot of work into it, but it fires very nicely, accurately and consistently now. His latest issue was, whoever at the factory was responsible for staking the Millet front sight blade on, didn't actually do it properly, and it finally gave way under load the last time out at the range and flew off. He tracked down an NOS replacement, chamfered the bottom edges of the two retaining holes and put a much better crimp on them.
People poo-poo on them but I'd rather have ones that's been reworked than many 1911s currently available.
I hate the AMT .45 Backup I take with me when I need to conceal, though.

>>64173230
>the much better Japanese made 3000 series
Japanese shotgun best shotgun!
Anonymous No.64173605 >>64173687
>>64173541
One of the common problems with AMTs is that you'll get friction welding issues, because AMT would use the exact same alloys of stainless steel for both frames and slides. You can often address this with healthy application of grease (and it must be grease, not oil), but it doesn't always work either.
Some guns are just hopeless.
Anonymous No.64173687
>>64173605
Indeed. My father began buying Superlube grease with Teflon, and then bought Teflon powder to add even more to the lube, and it works really, really well. I came up with the way for him to mix it in. I'm not certain but I think he also moly coated the slide rails on the frame.
Runs beautifully now. I use that grease on everything now, from my daily main Browning Hi-Power to all of my Imperial Japanese Nambu automatic pistols, and my rifles.
Anonymous No.64173759
>>64141468
>t. went to Naga/Daet last year
How's your flip wife and the 30 cousins she brought back with her?
Anonymous No.64174268
I have this janky-ass absolute dogshit H&R .22 break-action that I bought when I was drunk so I could larp as the guy from Π‘PAT. It is so inaccurate that once I aimed at a target and got a bullseye on the target 3 feet to the left. I'll post a picture of the pistol later, maybe
>>64170729
I shot a shitty Stoeger Luger .22 that was like that. It fucking sucked, brass would go under the fake toggle arm and get stuck behind the bolt carrier all the time
Anonymous No.64174544 >>64174580
>>64173232
i have two of them, along with all this trash. >>64158410 and a hipoint c9
i would not say they are the worst, maybe the most unpleasant.
Anonymous No.64174580 >>64174587
>>64174544
Buying one for the shit collection is fine, but you're telling me you bought a SCCY, with its nonfunctional sights and its shitty recoil and its godawful gritty trigger that resets a mile away from its break so if you fire too quickly the trigger just flops around, and you thought "You know what I need? Another one of these"?
If you intentionally bought more than one SCCY, your mom should have conservatorship over you, because you shouldn't be allowed to handle money
Although who am I to talk; I bought pic related
Anonymous No.64174587 >>64174592 >>64174734
>>64174580
>and you thought "You know what I need? Another one of these"?
i literally sniped an auction one for $25 with $25 new in box with one of those red dots. cmon as if you wouldnt
Anonymous No.64174592 >>64174734
>>64174587
sorry, 25 with 25 for shipping i meant.
they're not THAT bad, they will fire a bullet which is more than what i can say for at least two of the turds in my turd collection.
Anonymous No.64174648 >>64174653 >>64174712 >>64174853
>>64172929
looked up the laser-25, its pretty slick. an early diode laser and "lady laser" as the name? kinda want one.
Anonymous No.64174653 >>64174712
>>64174648
and the grip safety controls the laser, super tacticool. wonder how bad/good the laser is
Anonymous No.64174678
>>64172929
I've always wondered which of the sons of raven did the zamak not-so-fantastic best.

Splitting hairs sure, they're all shit.
but there has to be a least shitty one amongst them
Anonymous No.64174686
>>64139394
Nice serials Burt. Always knew I liked you
Anonymous No.64174712 >>64174796
>>64174648
They apparently sold very well.

>>64174653
They're the same shoddily designed Raven derived piece of shit, so the pistol is guaranteed to be awful.

The laser is a diode laser, which was a pretty flashy and advanced thing for the time (compare to all of those big helium neon lasers with big battery packs), but part of them being advanced was that you could do them cheaply, and these companies would almost certainly make sure to make them as cheap as they could.

Conceptually, I like it. Compact .25 with a laser on it? Sounds good, someone should make a good one, with modern diodes and batteries you could make the laser tiny.
Anonymous No.64174734
>>64174587
>>64174592
I've turned down 25 dollar guns before
Anonymous No.64174737
I guess the Kel-Tec P32 with a laser on it is like the modern and not-shit counterpart to the old Laser-25.

>.32 instead of .25
>larger capacity at 7+1 (10rd stendos sadly out of production)
>safe partially cocked trigger
>still really tiny and lightweight
>actually short-recoil, so the slide is light and easy to rack
>various compact laser sights available as options
>belt-clip option

Really, Ruger should get on this train too, make a comparable LCP32, short-recoil and all. This is where .32 Auto belongs, in small but handy pocket pistols.
Anonymous No.64174763
>>64172929
>In 1987, John Davis left Davis industries to found his own company. His dream was to recreate the J-22, so that it could be cheaper and more affordable for the average joe. The result was the SP-22.

>It was similar in functioning to the J-22, only it used cheaper materials and was of a cruder design.

Christ, just how awful was it?
also what kind of psychopath looks at a .22 ring of fire pistol and thinks "man just imagine if this thing was even more chintzy"
Anonymous No.64174796
>>64174712
so apparently theres 15 round magazines for the mp-25 that might work in that, and since its a fixed barrel, imagine threading it or something and having a little can on it like this. MAXIMUM ghetto operator. i like someones comment on calling his back up mp-25 his sleaze piece
Anonymous No.64174844 >>64174893
>>64158192
I wish air bows weren't so dumb in the typical execution. Proprietary arrows that fly like shit seem like the biggest problem with the whole idea. Thet and being even more ungainly versions of PCB rifles. An air bow with a sabot setup and external air tank might actually not suck worse than a crossbow.
Anonymous No.64174846 >>64174893
>>64172919
>>64172911
they are also high standard and h&r. the design was originally an H&R shotgun. jc higgins was the in house sears brand and they bought the design and manufacture rights from h&r then had high standard make them. so y ou can find them out there as h&r if they are early enough. souce: boomer forum
Anonymous No.64174853 >>64175059 >>64175601
>>64174648
That is pretty slick. But you just know these fuckers gotta have a leaking battery inside 99% of the time lol. Absolutely sold to the kind of person who wouldn't change batteries out or remember to remove it before long term storage (ie. forgetting they own it/neglecting it). Wonder what they go for?
Anonymous No.64174893 >>64174934
>>64174844
What about an arrow-10/22?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sMEgZ8Nv7Q

>>64174846
A lot of Sears guns are just rifles bought from manufacturers with a Sears brand/name on it. The Sears 22s are pretty much mostly High Standards that were also being sold to Sears with special markings. They also had some special models (usually furniture/finishes) from Marlin/Remington/Winchester/etc. Same with Western Auto, etc.
Anonymous No.64174934
>>64174893
>All the design shortcomings of a PCB arrow gun with the regulatory complexity of a firearm!

The problem is the stupid hollow arrows and barrel sleeve arrangement. It's inherently inaccurate and makes the bolt fat with bad balance and spine flex.
Anonymous No.64175059 >>64175451
>>64174853
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10562908
149$ in 2011, apparently. looks pretty clean
Anonymous No.64175451
>>64175059
>I SHOWED YOU MY LADY LASER NOW ANSWER ME!
Anonymous No.64175601
>>64174853
Makes me womder how a leaky battery would effect zamak