Where is Papyrus in Deltarune? Is he safe? Is he alright?

We already met him in chapter 3

>>714365364
He is the secret optional super boss if you collect all the eggs and you want to see Gaster this badly

>>714364861 (OP)
Not too important, not too unimportant.

The more important question is where is Muffet

>>714364861 (OP)
HE'S THE KNIGHT

>>714365709
No refunds!

>>714367638
Game coded through barks and magical glass, please understand.

>>714364861 (OP)
>sans is from Undertale after escaping the genocide route
>Papyrus is still dead as a result of (you)r actions

>>714367908
I wont question why, I just want it to work while im in game, I dont mind using a mod or a patch. How do I create my own delta patch in order to try and fix this below?
>>714366518
>>714366708
>>714366987
>>714367551
>>714367638

>deletes the more active thread

>>714369017
Janny got told to only delete threads if there's more than one, so he's performing malicious compliance

THE CENSORS WON'T LIKE THIS ONE EITHER.

>>714369071
You would think they would be paying more attention to the faggots spamming the catalog and certain threads with porn.

Anybody got some good ideas for a Undertale fangame? I got two:
>Touhou fangame.
>Sequel to one of the Neutral endings.

>>714369017
One of the jannies is a Suselletranny and last thread had one of them BTFO so now xir is saving face

>>714369215
I've once seen janny delete an active Deltarune thread while there were two nicocado anuses on the catalog.

>>714369215
>Check catalog after reading this
>Immediately hit with gay porn
Fantastic priorities

>>714369236
>Sequel to one of the Neutral endings.
It already existed, Horrortale, but the creator got cancelled for some dumb shit no normal person cares about

>>714368435
Have you tried emailing this to Toby/Fangamer?

>>714369363
Mweh, it looks way too edgy. Though, granted, I also wanted to follow up from the Undyne ending. Either that or the lawless rebellion ending.

>>714369236
Something in the same setting but different gameplay.
Had an idea of basing them off the different souls like orange would be a punch out like game and purple would be typing of the dead.

What should I draw with for concept art?
I suck both with a pencil and mouse.

>>714369527
For some reason I kind of like the idea of making a game that's a parody of Yu Gi Oh. With the monsters trying to steal your soul by beating you at a children card game.

please don't lick your TV

>>714369236
>Sequel to one of the Neutral endings
Well, there's really only two candidates for that. Either a militaristic dystopia of Undyne, or cyberpunk dystopia of Mettaton.

>>714369696
I think the ending where Undyne is dead but the monsters still rebel against her could also work. Underground would be a leaderless anarchy with a obvious grudge against humans.

But, yeah, Undyne is the obvious choice. It's the ending I originally got, since I accidentally murdered Toriel, and I always like the ideas of having to go through the underground with almost everybody explicitly out for your blood.

>>714364861 (OP)
This is the real reason I hate Sans in Deltarune. He cockblocks us from the superior skeleton.

>>714369696
nuh-uh, there's also an ending where Papyrus is the king

>>714369661
god I wish I was that TV

Suselle is doomed

>>714369829
Papyrus king ending weirdly enough actually ends with the Underground being more friendly towards humans than it used to be. Granted, it's still hardly a happy ending since Papyrus hints that plenty of monsters either offed themselves or just completely gave into despair. But it's probably way less of a potential sequel hook than most.

So, the Three Mikes are pretty much the new Sweet Cap'n Cakes, right? At least they make people here seethe just as much.

>>714369527
Look at this fucking slampig cat

>>714369994
They don't have a third of their respective chapter soundtrack dedicated to them, so not nearly as bad

>>714369994
Are they? Beyond the occasional autistic who doesn't understand the difference between a well meaning poke towards the community and hatred i've seen nothing but love for the Three Mikes.

>>714369994
No because they are well liked, actually funny, have amazing music and people actually remember them
No one gives a fuck about piss shit n fart

>>714369994
I haven't seen anyone but retards seethe

>>714369994
Nah, at least the three Mikes are cute and charismatic. And schizo pippin is the perfect mascot for when you start to lose your mind over Deltarune.

>>714369994
>At least they make people here seethe just as much.
They do? I haven't seen that much about the Mike trio here after the first few days unless it was something related to Friend or funny green Pippins reaction image

DELTARUNE PURPLE FANGAME
I CAN FEEL IT

>>714369236
Touhou fangame obviously
I won't play if there's no Shinki

>>714369994
The shitbots don't have a single passable song, much less something to this quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DvoCTarMQ&list=RDr-DvoCTarMQ&start_radio=1

>>714369381
No because I only just now found out whats going on, and maybe why. I'll send one soon, before I leave the Usa for 2 weeks this week.

How the fuck did Toby made a character design so appealing?

>>714369696
Mettaton and Undyne endings don't have a lot of room for creativity I think. Both don't grow or change as a result of their new positions.
Other endings however, have some potential
>Queen Toriel ending now burdened with the weight of Asgore's sins when a human investigator manages to find his way into Mt Ebott. Given how she gives up so easily when monsters reject her in other endings, one has to wonder how much resolve she actually has as a leader.
>Alphys leader ending where she's furthered her research enough that she's managed to use tech that can slip past and back through the barrier. Whether she wants revenge on humanity or just trying to solve the eventual resources crisis Monsters will face, someone is sent to investigate

>>714370026
Would trade Ralsei for them to be playable in a future chapter.

>>714370376
I doubt you would play it in general since my main goal is largely to make it a fuck you to the warped way the Touhou fandom threats a large amount of the characters. Up to and including a pacifist run actually giving you a bad ending because you allow objectively irredeemably evil people to get away with their crimes.

>>714370436
I hope you have a safe trip.

>>714370459
I would say they both change insofar that, especially in the case of Undyne, it brings out their worst qualities.

>>714369363
wtf is this piece of shit

>>714370623
It's an AU made by a teenage girl, what did you expect?

>>714370623
Like I said, it looks way too edgy.

I like the idea of Undyne going full villain and the Underground being more hostile, but this is taking it too far.

>>714370459
>when a human investigator manages to find his way into Mt Ebott
Consider.

For me, it's Kris and Asriel holding hands with fingers interlocked while kissing.

>>714370785
What's the best build for Mount Ebott?

>>714364861 (OP)
I have no interest in ever playing undertales or whatever anagram they change it to. My only exposure to this guy is some fag at a convention singing a song. So his boss fight is some operatic homosexual pirates of penzance thing, right?

>>714370623
>>714370693
idk I just watched this:
https://youtu.be/wQafebx99CA

>>714370870
Anything that makes you good at flirting.

>>714370164
What a cute pair of chilhood friend. I'm sure glad no external eldritch abomination will ever make sully that relationship.

This is what Toriel actually looks like in the dark world. In chapter 3, Tenna just dressed her up, you know, for the show.

>>714370910
kek

>>714370164
Reminder that Noele never liked Kris and just hung out with him/her because of their parents being mutual friends.

>>714370996
Oops posted the wrong pic

>>714366317
I miss her…

>>714370996
>>714371126
I don't get it. What's the difference?

>>714370505
Does that mean no huge tits Koakuma sex?

What’s the appeal?

>>714371330
Not sure how to portray Koakuma. My intention was to make Remilia and Flandre somewhat more tragic figures compared to most Youkai being cartoonishly evil like in canon.

>>714369994
They're literally behind a locked door that you have to figure out for yourself.
They're charismatic, work together as a trio, and are a fun nod to the fandom. So, no, they're not bad, and they don't make anyone seethe.

>>714371382
I want to tech her how wonderful humans are through rigorous physical intimacy.

>>714371503
*Teach her

>>714371438
>they don't make anyone seethe
Clearly you haven't been in these threads right after the release.

>>714370956
It was pre-sullied by the time (We) got there

>>714369994
at first i hated the mikes, but they've grown on me.

>>714370164
Forced

>>714371429
Post about your game in the /jp/ OC thread

>>714371047
If you took what she said at face value then you are terrible at reading people. Noelle only says those things because Kris has been distancing themself from her for a couple years and she's trying to cope with that.

>>714371587
at worst, people were annoyed that Toby had "hyped up" Mike just to pull a there is not Mike on everyone

>>714371587
Well, no, I was playing the game.
From what I heard, people really snapped back against 3+4, and were all doomer, as usual, until they slowly mulled and got accustomed to everything.
I think by now, people like the Mikes, or they choose to ignore them.

>>714371047
Powerful of Toby to remind his fans that no one ever really liked them

Why is that Dino so irresistible?

im going to pummel this ungrateful nigger vessel bare-handed and they impregnate every slutty monster in his village and then close the game forever

>>714371913
Delinquent with a heart of gold is always a top tier archetype.

>>714371776
From what I've seen, it's either people with autism or doing it in bad faith that can only interpret the scene so badly

Why does every target demographic Deltarune fan look like this, and can I get some new faces to add to my collection

>>714371587
I have been in innumerable Deltarune threads and i have only seen ONE post complaining, and even then it was obviously a joke cause of how it was written

Anyone got the archives for the first threads of chapter 3+4? I wanna see people's reactions to the knight

>>714371776
It was still a dick move on her part to say that, even if she was only trying to signal to Susie that she's available

Guys, do you think there's hope for them? Their relationship is written like an actual story of star-crossed lovers, surely it won't end up as a cowardly cop-out about them moving on or something?

>>714371917
You just know this game won't stop glazing Susie for 5 minutes and she'll be le epic Sans equivalent of the Snowgrave route even though the buildup she has is completely forced compared to Sans
This applies to a lot of characters really, Tenna is 'forced' funny, Susie is 'forced' le epic badass character and the Knight is 'forced' aura

>>714368171
>sans surviving a hit to his 1 HP
no rubber nen moments

>>714372147
Aborted snowgrave but you have to let Noelle approach you enough during THAT scene.

>>714370996
What's her special skill?

>>714372154
>aura
Zoomer word spotted, opinion invalidated.

>>714372212
Jokes on you. He still has 0,000000000001 HP

>>714371994
Cibles is like what a person you'd call "transphobic" would say all troons were like, not only just being ugly while using a cute avatar but also sounding like a guy.

>>714372045
Just use an advanced search on the release date.

>>714372339
I only said it because that's what every zoomer faggot that plays this game says about them.
>oh my gawd guys the Knight is aura farming!!
None of the new characters have 1/10th of the presence of their Undertale counterparts apart from Spamton

>>714372339
nigger
>glazing
is right there and you go for the final word

>>714372338
Bareback blowjobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ckpjG5fdko

>>714372437
>I was merely pretending

>>714372474
I went for it because I still have no idea what the fuck it even means.

>>714371776
Ah yes, the ol' "Don't take my words at face value" maneuver
A classic woman trick

>>714372154
I'm trying to like Susie's character but I do think it all feels extremely forced, like they want you to believe she's this epic shonen protagonist when she's very obviously being played by the meta aspects of the narrative

>>714369215
That's board culture. Talking about actual video games is the very opposite of board culture.

Toby is definitely setting up Sans to be tragic, it's just a matter of time where there'll be a point the game will loop and yet he'll retain the memories while the majority won't remember squat, essentially making him and some others be in Groundhog's Day where he won't understand why it's happening up until he starts investigating and learns (You) are the cause of it, but by then the world will be irreparably fucked where he has to move on, not before creating a task force to monitor time/space anomalies from what he learned

KILL THE SKELETON

>>714372664
If anything, it makes her more realistic even if it feels ironic over her own crush on Susie

>>714372338
She rides the enemy and drains their TP.

Left or Right?

>>714372757
>but by then the world will be irreparably fucked
I still can't believe we have retards who believe this tale won't have a happy ending. Of course, Sans getting the fuck out is an important part of it

>>714372726
The way how I read her is that she thinks she's very cool. The game itself makes it clear she's a weird and sensitive character

>>714369938
Why does Catti hate and fear Susie?

>>714372909
That Susie is reminding me of someone but I just can't put my finger on it.

>>714372983
Sh-
>>714372909
I choose blueberry Kris

>>714372909
Well if I only get a gun with one bullet they'll have to put their heads together...

>>714372958
I guess it doesn't help that a lot of people who play the game are fully convinced that she's very cool even though she has done nothing to insinuate that except from being a really fucking cringey person because I can't lie I do recoil whenever she plays up how much of a badass she is, its so forced

>>714373163
Woah, you're the first person I see that said something negative about Susie

>Susie actually thought that her being in the prophecy is a good thing

>>714372981
Fear is a strong word

>>714372726
>>714372958
>>714373163
susie has dave strider homestuck disease and therefore has the same fanbase who think they're unironically cool

>>714373436
>mfw

What is his problem

>>714373434
And I'm surprised that I am. She's a very irritating character so far and gay ass my hero academia friendship is magic bullshit like >>714373436
does not help in the slightest.
Susie's closest analogs in Undertale are Undyne, a character you see for not very long, and has no weight over the grander narrative, and thus can't irritate you nearly as much, and Sans, who we are told from the beginning knows way more about the universe than he's letting on which justifies the way he is presented

>>714373434
We should shun that anon, for his bad opinions

>>714373163
>Being the MVP in the knight fight, giving the others the chance to ACT, making things faster and better, among a myriad other things, despite having lots of flaws herself.
That doesn't make her cool?
Her thinking she's a badass is supposed to be endearing, considering how easily she folds.

>>714371854
Second time he did it as well.

Having Asriel tell me I was a awful person and Frisk is way better honestly hurt me.

Wait. wouldn't kris already know the prophecy? The dremurr family went to church constantly.

>>714373789
No. By that account we're the coolest because the Titan is invincible were it not for the Player's SOUL directly. She comes off as trying to be this really cool protagonist while also being a total fucking oblivious moron and trying way too hard to boot.

>>714372726
my biggest issue with susie is that she´s supposed to be a rebel character that tries to get better over time but ever since chapter 2 everyone who ever meets her loves her instantly
i liked chapter 4 because it feels like she actually had proper character moments without having another character on how cool and epic she is (gerson kind of does it but he´s still not as obnoxious as others atleast)

>>714373498
Most people like Susie for her affectionate personality and for being an amusing dipshit, not for her "coolness". No one really falls for her facades aside from few retards who think chapter 1 was where the game peaked even though they only remember locker scene from it.

>>714373434
I don't say it myself because you people chimp out whenever I speak badly of Susie
I hate her as a character, on how much the spotlight is on her, how everything has to orbit around her, on how quickly it was memory holed how she was a bully out of nowhere
And I could go on

>>714373163
She's cool mostly because of attitude. She also has a few badass moments, but so does everybody else.

>>714371047
Noelle literally has a wallpaper of kid kris on her computer. she's lying through her teeth. Not that it matters susie is a better friend.

>>714373770
It was sarcasm anon. Every thread has at least one guy complaining about Susie being a Main Character, like they're expecting Kris (Mute) or Ralsei (Doormat) to speak up in stead of the hot-headed delinquent character.

>>714373862
But you are Frisk in Undertale. This isn't like Deltarune where you're possessing some kid. Frisk does literally everything you say. Frisk doesn't exist as a person without the Player.

>>714372909
Something looks incredibly unsettling seeing Susie without her nose

>>714373867
He slept through all of that

>>714373867
>he thinks a kid paid attention in church

>>714373972
>on how quickly it was memory holed how she was a bully out of nowhere
Oh, you're that autist who thinks she's worse than Hitler because she didn't apologize to Kris.

>>714373770
Her closest analog in Undertale is Papyrus, actually.

Undyne actually genuinely tried to murder you in Undertale. She was probably the most passionate Anti human character, in fact. Susie is mostly all talk but not much actual game.

>>714374017
Nobody's complaining about Susie being A main character, that's kind of the point of the game. It's just very tiring to see her be presented as THE main character when we all know full well that we're the Player and we're the real main character blah blah blah it'll all get subverted eventually.

>>714373867
To expand on what other anons have said about them being kids, it's implied multiple times that large portions of the prophecy have been "lost to time"

>>714373867
> * Now, for today's sermon, we once again share a passage by my late father, Gerson Boom.
> * He always managed to put into words what we could never quite say ourselves.
> * Now, let us begin...
> * We shall never know the pieces of the prophecy lost to time.
> * But, was everything important truly written down in those words?
> * Myself, I see a blank page as an invitation to write...
> * To take the future and...
> * (Listening to this, your eyes became heavy...)

>>714373948
This. Just in Chapter 1 people were picking up heavily on the masks Susie wears. It's not exactly subtle either when she's beating down on Lancer, that scene in particular is what endeared a lot of pople to her.

>>714373867
Yeah. Notice how Ralsei only cared about Susie learning about the prophecy.

>>714374073
Swing and a miss
She's a cunt to nearly everyone in school before which earns everyone fearing her, it isn't just Kris alone anywayc

Bangin' sermon my man

>>714374073
>>714373972
Wait, fuck, wrong pic

>>714374036
Nah, you are Chara in Undertale (Though also not 100%.) Frisk is just the vessel you inhabit.

>>714373948
There are a non-zero sum of people who genuinely think she is this epic badass who's gonna show the Player who's boss or something

>>714373729
He got raised by that psycho bitch Noelle. Never stood a chance

>>714374197
>dropped spaghetti once
>everyone starts treating her like pariah
>OH NO WHY SHE IS SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON

>>714374043
>>714374064
>>714374139
>>714374140
Every considered that Kris sleeps through it because they already know it?

>>714373919
(We) are really cool too, don't know why you'd think otherwise. We're the reason the Fun Gang manages to survive every chapter.
Susie has a facade of coolness that only works if you look from afar. And she does pull through in the important moments, which is what matters the most. Having said that, if you personally don't like her, I understand. First impressions are hard to beat, and she is an oblivious moron. Like I said, it's supposed to be endearing.

>>714374259
I think it's mostly EvilKris faggots who think that Susie will somehow make a better and more obedient Vessel for (You) than Kris.

>>714374129
>presented as THE main character
Yes, because she's one of THE Three Main Characters. She's just more present because she's the only one of the main three to actually speak her mind so loudly. Because she's the voice of ignorance between Kris' and Ralsei's scheming, she speaks up and questions everything. Because she hangs out with Kris, The Silent Protagonist, she often speaks up and leads conversations. You only view her as THE Main Character because you're only paying attention to the surface level text.

>>714373939
It was very annoying having this very heartfelt scene with Susie and Ralsei and the only thing Ralsei can say to Kris and us after the fact is
>wow, Susie is so nice isn't she? Isn't Susie so nice? Have I told you that Susie is nice yet?

>>714372921
retards cant read between the lines, what else is new?
>gaster's invitation included the premise that you'd [help him make a better future]
>game page has "only one ending...?" when snowgrave makes it blatantly obvious that its about throwing things off the rails
>CH4's focus on "dont like the ending? well then who gives a shit about a silly 'prophecy', go between the lines and make your own"
>the final tragedy that susie is convinced wont be allowed to happen and that ralsei is scared shitless of
>susie's wish for the story to go on forever, for every day to be like yesterday
my prediction is that the "default" ending involves susie dying or timelooping because she cant accept the final tragedy, and that we have to break the game in such a perfect way that we can both evade that and not create something worse.
the true ending is the only one where another character doesnt force a timeloop, hence its the "only" ending. because the story actually ends.

>>714374320
The point is not him sleeping through it, the point is that most of it was lost to time, even church doesn't knows the full version.

>>714374337
I have no complaints about the way the Player is presented so far. (You) are characterized very well and the couch scene is emblematic of that.

>>714374197
>She's a cunt to nearly everyone in school before
Yes and no. It's mentioned that when she had a ball thrown her way she just awkwardly shuffled off. She presents herself as a bad girl mostly because she's used to being threated as a bad girl, and the one thing that genuinely does cause her to violently lash out is being betrayed. So, it's easier to just play into the role of her being a monster(Metaphorically, not literally) than get hurt again.

Part of the reason why she fixated on kris early on is because she could never get the reaction out of her that she wanted. She would do her usual bully stick, and he'd literally just laugh at her or play along with it. Either Kris always knew she was mostly hot air or Kris just didn't care either way.

>>714374404
>Susie directly ignoring what we tell her to do all the time
>"obedient Vessel"
are they retarded?

>>714374197
I'm actually curious about what the worst thing Susie has done is.
As far as I know, other than pinning Kris against a locker (hot), newest girl girl is the worst thing.
Telling Temmie her egg is hard-boiled is just autism, and there's other less important acts of intimadation that don't amount to much.

i can't tell if i'm becoming a schitzo and just overthinking it or if there's something real wrong with hometown
>the town constantly blocked off with police tape
>the internet is out the entire game so far
>how dead the place feels at times despite that shit with all the cars in chapter 2
>the ominous fucking bunker
>kris being the only human despite books about humans

it's probably just "the town is bigger than it looks but we only made it 4 screens for gameplay reasons" and i'm overthinking it

>>714369236
I just want a Help_Tale game, more or less as envisioned by Baumigel Leviathan.
https://youtu.be/qXTIHArEv8M

Can anyone tell me what the Oblivion theory is? I don't wanna read a 200+ doc to know.

>>714374189
Exactly. then again ralsei does apologize for romanticizing the prophecy back in chapter 1. hmmm

>>714374557
The worst thing we've seen her do is telling Kris that his mom is going to abandon him and that she will kill him afterwards. She also tried to kill Lancer, but she obviously stopped at the last minute.

>>714374429
If you read the whole post you'd know that I'm fully aware that THE main character is the Player, but this is a meta narrative saved only for a few scenes like with Spamton, Gaster, Kris and the few Snowgrave scenes. We spend far more time with Susie then even the other 2 'main characters'

>>714374437
And what did he say after the two sentences of him saying she was kind? About his hope to change fate is wavering? How he wants to believe in a better ending? About himself?
I swear you people have to be secretly Susie dicksuckers in disguise with how much you fixate on passing lines about her.

>regular route is ralsei losing hope about changing the prophecy
>weird route is ralsei worrying about something even worse happening

>>714374320
rape

See what I mean? Can't discuss shit without Susie Defense Force worshipping the ground she walks on.

>>714374754
>We spend far more time with Susie then even the other 2 'main characters'
You mean Kris and Ralsei? The one who you literally control in the Dark Worlds? The one who is often separated from Ralsei and Susie for one reason or another in every chapter?
>But in the Light World
Kris and Susie are clearly becoming friends. If anything we should be complaining more about how Ralsei keeps getting the short end of the stick, always left in Castle Town, barely doing a thing until Chapter 4 where he finally opened up about the prophecy.

>>714373729
>that almost sounds like a person's name
is this from something? that line feels really familiar.

>>714374754
We spend the most time with Kris, and the story is very good at making you understand his personality if you read between the lines. Ralsei gets less focus, but he also isn't around during the normal world sections of the story.

The most important character overall is Kris insofar that it's pretty obvious that whatever happened with the Holidays probably involved him, Noele, and Dess. Susie and Ralsei are more secondary insofar that both largely serve the narrative roll of manic pixie dream girls.

>>714374943
I think very few people took issue to the way she was characterized in the first three chapters but Chapter 4 went off the rails with obsessing over her specifically in every scene

The Deltarune is a self-fulfilling prophecy right

>>714375026
Mother 3 when porky is talking about the masked man being claus

What do you think would have happened here if the soul wasn’t around?

>>714374943
Nobody can discuss anything about Deltarune here
>Raging over non-characters (Sweet Cap'n Cakes)
>Ragebait about pronouns
>Ragebait about trannies and streamers
>Pornposting
>Seething about Jannies
>Shipping wars
Makes you miss the early threads doesn't it?

>>714375507
Handjob with kiss

Can you guys share any of your schizotheories?

>>714375507
Kris would have still stopped her because she's not thinking straight.

>>714375653
Ralsei is a Titan Spawn, the closet Dark World is "pure", it's surrounded with the corpses (or dormant bodies) of Titans
Hence how Ralsei knows full well the threat they pose

>>714375871
>Ralsei is a Titan Spawn

>>714375653
Kris hates humans because the only human he met was a horrible racist.
Susie had similar experiences but never really held it against humans due to monsters also disliking her.
The story takes place in a world where humans won the war but simply took away their ability to capture human souls rather than lock them up.
Alternatively: The monsters actually won the war in this timeline.

>>714373439
Use what ever words you prefer. Why does she act like that concerning Susie?

>>714373729
>Watches over you
>Always happy
>Appears in spooky areas to cheer you up
>Drops healing candy during the mantle fight
I see no problem

>>714375871
>ralsei starts out as a dark outlined being, like [DARK] type enemies, but once he actually gains some character he can take a proper form.
you might have something there...

>>714375982
That anon asked me to share one of my schizo theories. There it is. There's more, but I fucking hate typing on a tablet, and my pc is at home

>>714375982

>>714376138
That wasn't meant to be taken in a negative way. Just something I never considered. It's not improbable.

>>714376017
Is there any proof that he met a human though?

>>714375808
That sequence was so incredibly charming
Being a little heart guy should be the next chapter

>>714376131
Yeah. He's rather one-note at the start, just spouting the curated prophecy and going along. As he spends time with them he "becomes." Now he's deeply conflicted about his nature and fate.

>>714376361
No. My assumption is that there is something that made him hate humans. Unlike Chara he seemingly grew up being raised by Monsters, meaning that something had to happen for him to grow that hateful.

>>714375982
I think I just got why white ralsei looks less good than dark ralsei, his face is too long vertically. Him on the right looks so much better

>>714375653
"Deltarune" as we know it is a fangame of the real Deltarune

>>714376468
I don't think it's necessarily that he hates humans, more that he's angry he's the only one who is different and feels out of place in hometown due to being human, so he resents humanity as a result

>>714376468
I think the more simple explanation is that he hates humanity because his parents abandoned him, and that's all. If I ended up with a slut of a mom that barely remembers me I'd probably share the same feelings.

>>714376593
It seems weird for him to blame humanity for that.

>>714376597
I agree that is the most likely explanation. Even if he wasn't abused by humans like Chara him being abandoned would still give him a stick in his ass about them. Especially if humans regularly persecute or look down on monsters.

Would you?

>>714375653
>>714376017
>The monsters actually won the war in this timeline.
That was my schizo theory as well but humans are the titans, just weird and unformed
My theory was also that asgore or what ever happened in the bunker ripped (you) from Kris's being to prevent him from unleashing the titans

>>714375653
Kris has a cyan soul

>>714376238
I know, I'm just frustrated with typing on this thing.
I don't think Ralsei is evil, just that maybe, if this is accurate in any way, that it explains his desperation and "directness" when faced with newly hatched Titan spawn.
A wolf doesn't consider the feelings of the lamb it devours. Or something. Schizo-schizo.

>>714374943
>make stupid statement
>people argue with it
>OH NO YOU ARE CULTISTS
I love that kind of argument

>>714376796
Would I?

>>714376812
The only real issue I have is that I just can't imagine how monsters won the war considering the the whole thing was a comedically quick curb stomp in Undertale.

>>714376370
>instead of floating around, your SOUL summons little legs like in undertale's RUN AWAY command you are not blue however
>the new tom & jerry segment will be fully playable, as (you) try to get to the plot while jumping about souvenir stalls and food stands and evading kris
i'm waiting for my check, toby

>>714376761
Do we have any indication that Kris has a full blown "hate" for humanity other than the scene in the library?

>>714376936
Sorry, can't hear you when your voice is muffled with sloppasaur waste

>>714377169
Mostly that, yes. Though I swear there are other hints.

>>714377169
it's not even clearly hate, but it would just parallel Chara (human Dreamurr that hates humanity)

>>714376864
>Kris is Patience
>that's why he's blue (other than just being a Varik palette swap)
>he's patient enough to put up with us despite Snowgrave

>>714377094
soul mode is a good opportunity to tell the story of some important character through his disembodied soul without telling you who it is right away

>>714376981
What does she taste like

>>714373729
Kill cat

>>714377257
>Chara despises humanity and his hometown.
>Hometown is probably identical to hometown in Deltarune, just with humans there.
Does that mean Kris secretly hates his hometown?

>>714375058
I agree with this fully. The Susie jerking of chapter 4 left a bad taste in my mouth. That's why I rank chapter 4 below 3. I hope the world comes crashing down on Susie in later chapters by the reveal of the Girl actually being Noelle and of the fact that Kris works with the Knight.

>>714377385
Toy Knife
Faded Ribbon

>>714377518
Darkest candy
(Cherry Coke)

>>714375653
every hero of the prophecy is a flex slot
>THE CAGE, WITH HUMAN PARTS AND SOUL
both kris and the vessel work, they are cages made of human parts meant to contain a SOUL.
>THE GIRL, WITH HOPE CROSSED ON HER HEART
>AT LAST, WAS THE GIRL
>[LOVE] FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL
vague as shit, but the way things are going its either susie or noelle.
susie gains love in the normal route, having many friends and actually feeling loved for the first time in her life. judging by the prophecy panel having a heart outline over [THE GIRL]s chest, we'll also probably end up jumping over to her (which could also be another interpretation of the line.
we help noelle gain LOVE in the weird route, and are almost certainly going to jump over to her.
the japanese translation of "the girl learns the true meaning of love" also works for both of these.
>THE PRINCE, ALONE IN THE DEEPEST DARK
another vague one.
it does fit ralsei well, but something important to note is that "a prince from the dark" is nowhere near "the prince, alone in the deepest dark"
it also, interestingly enough, does not mention the prince being a darkner. only that they are "alone in the deepest dark.

>>714374546
>Her
Kys.

>>714377594
Susie's world is 100% going to come crashing down. Kris betraying her will cause her to melt down even harder than she did when Lancer betrayed him. Combined that with Noele turning out to be the true prophesized hero will shatter her spirit.

Noele, Asgore, Kris, and Sussie are all going to obviously have a meltdown. I suspect most of them will follow in close succession. Rudy dying will mentally break Noele, which will cause her to create a dark fountain. Susie will realize Kris was working with the Roaring Knight and have a breakdown, which will cause Kris to fully back into his old depressed mood. Leaving Ralsei as the one that has to pick up the pieces.

Just found out this has a chinkheld port that you can install with portmaster
Anyone try it?

When will kris stop holding back and unleash the full power of X Slash on some fools?

>>714369994
DAMN, Mike look like THAT?!?!

>>714378129
when we get our vessel back and he tries to kick our ass

>>714378129
When he betrays the gang and one shots all of them

>>714377586
Notice he barely had any friends before the events of the game, he probably only talked with Catty to get into the occult stuff, if deltarune didn't happen he'd end up a really sad person with barely any friends if not completely without any

>>714378389
Whatever happened with Dess seemed to have thrown him into a depressive stupor, though he was always kind of a little shit he was at least a playful little shit. Going by the Noele blog he was genuinely just mentally dead for a while.

>>714378481
OMNI-MAN?!

>kris on horseback shooting with his finger
Johnny on horseback shooting with his finger
>MANCOUNTRY
A True Man's World
>BURNING EYES
Dark Determination

>>714377036
You just gave me an idea, monster with human souls are incredibly dangerous. So maybe asgore just "borrowed" it?

what was this nigga’s problem

>>714378824
I find it hard to believe Asgore would go from the ruler of monsters to a Police chief if he won the war but I guess it's not 100% impossible considering he never actually seemed to like being king.

Then again, it's also mentioned Asgore and Rudy were college buddies so unless Asgore went to college VERY late it seems unlikely for him to be as old as he was in Undertale. It's why I think "Monster biology just works differently" being the divergence point makes more sense. Much though I like the theory about monsters winning the war.

>>714377094
>Kris tries to lock (you) up in a cage at the fair
>You slip out of his hands and https://youtu.be/4Vqe8Ub6xgM?si=Aqiai6s6z2bUuBB_
>While running , we see Kris panic calling whoever was on the other end of the calls

>>714378705
https://youtu.be/ZhKH_bma5WE?si=mGz8DCDoXidJUKhy
We even time reset to victory, we will teach kris how to live in mandom.

>>714378129
maybe near the end when the final tragedy is supposed to unfold, and you've gone through the shadow crystal path he realizes that things can change?
>this whole time kris has been leading susie like a lamb to the slaughter.
>the girl is supposed to die, and the girl was supposed to be noelle.
>but the prophecy's wording had a few cracks that allowed the girl to become susie
>at first, it was a good idea.
>just dispose the mean girl that nobody cares about, and move on with life.
>but kris has seen it now.
>he's seen the real susie.
>she's someone worth fighting for.
>but thats not all.
>the crystals, what you've gone through to get them.
>its far off from the prophecy.
>and yet it has shown him a glimpse of hope
>a hope that things can change
>its only here, when the curtains are trying to close, that kris will let you use his power to its fullest and tear the stage's curtains to shreds.
>but he is too angry to let you act, your only option is to lay waste to chapter 7's dark world until the final tragedy is stopped.

>>714379360
So. Weirdroute is you setting up noele to be the sacrifice regardless just so you can save Susie?

>>714379006
That's why it's a schizo theory, but to be fair we don't know if asgore was ever king in this timeline .honestly I don't really think it will work if asgore is working with the knight or carol to end the world
Also, he presumably immediately gave up being a king in UT when they got to the surface

>>714379457
nah weird route is still you breaking things so hard that you break the prophecy but end up creating something much, much worse in the process.

>>714375653
Gerson tried to force the prophecy by sending Dess, Kris, and Asriel into the bunker's darkworld. This led to his death, Dess's disappearance, and Kris's Trauma.

These threads are crazy, Everytime I see new art on xitter it's already been posted

>>714370164
>* Time flies... Seems like just yesterday you and that girl had everyone here lined up.
>* Queen on her side, King on your side, Tenna in back... Oh, it was chaos, CHAOS!
>* Heh, only kids like you two would take a laptop home just to play make believe.
>* ... how is she, Kris? Are you two...? Well, it's alright. Everyone changes. 'cept us.
Reminder that, like the rest of Chapter 3, this was actually about Kris and Dess

>>714374320
Let's be real, Kris at least knows how it ends. It's like saying a kid who grew up in a Christian church doesn't know that Jesus was crucified.

>>714379503
>That's why it's a schizo theory, but to be fair we don't know if asgore was ever king in this timeline
Yeah. I mean, it's not IMPOSSIBLE but right now it honestly seems unlikely. Nobody seems to act like Asgore or Toriel are anything special. Rather than them being immortal god kings that once led all monsters.

>>714370475
Catti can't fill the role of a white mage, she'd absolutely be a black mage.

>>714379698
ah, dess the molester. my favorite piece of thread fanon.

>>714379698
Did Kris genuinely like somebody that beat her up with a duffle bat?

>>714379756
she's a white mage and hates every fucking second of it because she cant use the edgy spells that she wants to use.

>>714379803
*whiffle bat. And they don't hurt

>>714372147
The hope is present, but Susie is also not planning to stop

>>714379803
You wouldn’t get it

>>714379803
That's just more evidence that she was Kris's onee-chan

>>714372147
I think its pretty likely. Even without (You) its pretty obvious, Kris is Noelle's actual type. Also she's 100% the kind of person Susie would fucking loathe as evidenced by the reaction to her shit talking Kris. The only reason Susie agrees to take her to the festival is to spite her bitch mother in the moment.

>>714379803
a whiffle ball bat is a cheap and hollow piece of plastic.
to actually have that hurt you'd need to be made of paper.

>>714369661
I licked my tv a few times, wonder if this is how it felt.

>>714369994
I want to Shane Dawson this cat.

>>714380230
do you think kris feels pain whenever he hits (Us)

>>714378386
He already did that

>>714380510
Maybe, there's multiple instances of Kris losing hp upon taking you out in the newest chapters. So its clearly taking a toll on him

>>714380232
>she's 100% the kind of person Susie would fucking loathe as evidenced by the reaction to her shit talking Kris
Susie has a cross look on her face for basically the whole scene, it's not a reaction to what Noelle says about Kris, please pay attention to the game instead of out of context screencaps on here
Susie's response is getting insecure about the moment she had with Noelle on their Ferris Wheel ride and asking Noelle for reassurance about that, she wasn't upset on Kris's behalf

>>714370785
I know barely scraping by is the point but I don't like missing out on dialogue choices; gotta get this on pc for max stats.

>>714380510
probably only when putting us back in.

>>714379698
It wasn't Dess, Chapter 2 is pretty clear on Queen's familiarity towards Noelle, her old owner, up until wanting world domination just to make her happy.

And no it isn't about exclusively Dess and Asriel but the nostalgia part which is a common thematic when it comes to both Kris and Noelle and even still, there's a lot more going on, namely the subplot of Susie making sure Ralsei understands he matters as well and to enjoy their time together even if he can't come to the festival.

>>714380510
Yes retard. He literally collapses after leaving the closet from the soul damage of hitting it the the hockey stick

>>714375653
The Chapter 3 gameboard with the controller switching is foreshadowing events later in the game.
We will switch to Susie, and Kris will become his own character. We will also have the option to switch to Ralsei if we follow certain dialogue options correctly. The Weird Route will allow us to switch to Noelle.
The only time we will get the chance to switch into our vessel is on the weird route, as during the sword game is the only time we can switch from Kris to a new vessel (8-bit Kris).

>>714380614
>Suselle fags are this mad

>>714380510
He loses like half after the bathroom scene

>>714380232
>Kris is Noelle's actual type.
Susie and Kris are both pretty similar. They are both natural trash goblins and pranksters who have a darker side due to their upbringing and often put up facades of being scary because they have trouble expressing their emotion.

>Also she's 100% the kind of person Susie
Eh... Susie's biggest issue is people that are two faced. It's difficult to say how much that applies to Noele.

The fandom discovered that the Knight's roar is a slowed down Noelle scream.
What does that mean?

>>714380952
It’s fucking Dess

>>714380952
Wow I wonder why The Knight would sound like Noelle
That's a real head-scratcher there

>>714379792
Really sad how they even try to twist around anything just to reinforce their fetish, even that dialogue line just because it feels open-ended. If you aren't a secondary, that is.

Test

>>714380952
>inb4 "red herring"

>>714375653
Making peace with Kris is impossible, at some point in the game your choices determine wether the lancer fan club sides with him or you

>>714380952
Oh my God the knight is Noelle

>>714380863

>>714381069
look man i know its kris and noelle, but dess the molester is funny.

>>714380952
Got clips of it?

What if the entire Holiday family is actually a red herring and the knight is actually a brand new character?

>>714380885
>They are both natural trash goblins and pranksters who have a darker side due to their upbringing and often put up facades
Kris's dark side ISN'T a facade. He's not a psycho, but he's a sadist who genuinely enjoys fucking with people. Unlike Susie who always bitches out when given the opportunity to genuinely fuck with someone.

>It's difficult to say how much that applies to Noele.
We get an entire scene of her expressing her two faced nature, openly admitting one of her friendships is "fake" to Susie. She may not be actually two faced and was just trying to flirt via putting down Kris, but man that was a miscalculation.

We don't play the original game in the S-rank backroom in chapter 3, we're playing a game infected by the malware installed through the OddController. A FRIENDified version maybe.

THE KNIGHT IS THE GREAT PAPYRUS, HE BECOMES A VERY WELL-LIKED ROYAL GUARD IN THE FUTURE!

>>714377036
Deltarune seems to have different rules than Undertale on some level, plus Susie manhandles Kris so maybe in this timeline monsters aren't made of 99,9% air and won
though the weak nature of monsters has always been a massive plot hole even in undertale so who knows

>>714381451

Did I fuck something up? Is this something important? Should I reload from before I got the shadow mantle?

>>714381383
This is a blue rated board anon, calm down

WHEN I WAS

>>714381545
>Should I reload from before I got the shadow mantle?
Yes

Wait, Kris is working with the Knight?

>the vessel is the cage with the SOUL from the light world

>>714381545
Collecting the Shadow Mantle turns off all TV screens in TV World. You fucked up.

>>714380952
The knight is a deer

What did they talk about?

>>714381679
>>714381764
oh fuck, my previous save is way earlier
what am I missing out on here?

>>714381545
Yes. The secret boss and egg requirements in this chapter are retarded.

>>714381885
egg

>>714381407
>He's not a psycho, but he's a sadist who genuinely enjoys fucking with people.
He's not sadistic, he clearly draws the line at causing actual pain to people. I'm pretty sure that even in non Snowgrave he gets annoyed if you genuinely harm Noele.

>She may not be actually two faced and was just trying to flirt via putting down Kris, but man that was a miscalculation.
I THINK it was this. It's hard to say simply because one of her defining traits is being weak willed. Which, yeah, that is what a weak willed person would do.

>>714381305
https://www.tumblr.com/defenestrated-ape/787375216810770432/knights-roar-sped-and-pitched-knights-roar

I had a dream that Kris was actually dead all along and Kris was the vessel with memories implanted to behave just like Kris would
It was stupid since a cutscene played where Carol forced Gaster to paint a "new human" for them when Dess disappeared and Kris died

>>714381885
the egg
You can't get the egg after you've collected the Shadow Mantle

>>714381520
In Undertale my assumption is that monsters aren't weak to physical attacks as much as the emotional intent behind it. Killing intent harms them, not so much actually being struck with an knife.

>>714381664
MY FATHER

>>714381879
About Kris

>>714381947
>>714381963
>>714382127
I have no idea what egg you are talking about, is that something important?
Did I miss out on the secret boss then?

>>714382238
>is that something important?
It's not too important, not too unimportant.

>>714382238
It's important if you think it is
>Did I miss out on the secret boss then?
No

What is the Twisted Sword gonna be used for?

>>714381407
Well yeah, there's layers to sadism
Susie acts like a mean person but is really very normal
Kris CAN be a very sadistic person but eventually chooses not to
The Player IS a sadist and the only true monster

>>714382451
Jabbing, slashing, poking, thrusting

>>714382238
>Did I miss out on the secret boss then?
No. If the screens are off then it means you beat the actual secret boss. Finish the chapter, then reload your finished save so you can beat the Knight for the Shadow Crystal. You don't need to beat the chapter first but it lets you retry without reloading and redoing Tenna's cutscene every time.

>>714382451
It'll be the twist

>>714381996
>He's not sadistic, he clearly draws the line at causing actual pain to people. I'm pretty sure that even in non Snowgrave he gets annoyed if you genuinely harm Noele.
Thats called not being a psychopath, Anon. Sadists delight in the suffering of others. Kris delights in causing non permanent suffering. Having a line doesn't make him someone who lacks tendencies towards schadenfreude.
Kris opportunistically causes suffering just for the delight of it through his pranks. Susie only ever does it as a defense mechanism, like when she thought Kris was going to get her expelled for eating chocolate.

>>714381996
>I THINK it was this. It's hard to say simply because one of her defining traits is being weak willed. Which, yeah, that is what a weak willed person would do.
Yeah, I would agree. Regardless of the actual cause, I don't think Susie would perceive it differently. She saw two faced behavior and wouldn't care to psychoanalyze it.

>>714382451
It's what Kris will use to kill (you), it will hurt you in real life everytime you get hit

>>714382451
for making kris realize that his choices DO matter and his natural human strength is enough to break the prophecy in half if he just full force X-slashes the knight.

>>714382552
*get her expelled for eating chalk
Freudian slip, I am eating chocolate right now.

>>714381947
It's so confusing since the other Chapters are way simpler to access
Chapter 1
>Low chance to happen on a specific room transition
Chapter 2
>Low chance to happen on a specific room transition, and is signposted
Chapter 3
>Get caught by a slow moving spotlight guarding a nothing chest
>Specifically say you want to go Nowhere and get the Nowhere Ticket
>BUT DON'T DO THIS OTHER SECRET EVENT OR IT'S GONE FOREVER
>Go to this very specific enemy, go into the ACT menu and hold left when highlighting a specific ACT
>Talk to the man behind the tree and don't get a specific set of his random questions wrong or your egg is gone forever
>All of this is "signposted" through random fortunes that you'll not find all in one go since the Fortune is only one prize that is randomised every time you get it
Chapter 4
>Low chance to happen on a specific slightly harder to find room transition, and is signposted by an NPC

What is so special about Chapter 3 that it's so much more psychopathic in making its secrets missable?

>>714382451
It'll be Noelle's ultimate weapon for the Snowgrave route. She no longer needs to be in Trance because she's committed to it of her own free will.

>>714382552
I guess? I don't know if his pranks really count as enjoying suffering. Most of them seem rather petty and more just that he enjoys getting an emotional reaction out of the victim. Granted, he did seem to enjoy killing Yoshi to make Asriel sad. But he was also probably like ten when he did that.

>She saw two faced behavior and wouldn't care to psychoanalyze it.
Most likely, yeah.

In general Susie does seem to like Noele just for being willing to talk to her and threat her normally.

>>714382693
Its pretty obvious anon
Its at midnight
The dark worlds at night probably open the door for more darker than dark shit.

>>714382574
i wish we had the technology to make video games hurt people for real.

>>714382942
Shouldn't that make the secrets even easier to find?

>>714382975
It'll flash seizure enducing lights everytime he hits you don't worry

>>714365709
SOON

What the FUCK was Toby thinking

>>714382720
>the girl in the prophecy uses a blade
Oh my god. It's not for Kris It's for HER.

>>714383141
With his cock.

>>714382895
>Most of them seem rather petty and more just that he enjoys getting an emotional reaction out of the victim.
Anon, what emotion is he getting out of the victim?

>In general Susie does seem to like Noele just for being willing to talk to her and threat her normally.
I think thats the case up until the chapter 4 dialogue. I can only see their non weird route relationship deteriorating as Noelle continues to drop her spaghetti and sperg out.

>>714380651
Queen is motivated by wanting to satisfy Noelle's "Strange And Sad Searches" and her recognizing Noelle's inherent strength and malleability (not unlike a Snowgrave player). There's no indication Queen is familiar with Noelle beyond the information Noelle put into the library's computer, like everyone else. Noelle shows no sign of recognizing Queen or any other part of the Dark World either, which would be strange if she's the one who imagined it. It does also seem like Queen doesn't understand what Noelle means when she's searching for "DECEMBER HOLIDAY," but this is consistent with King also showing no sign of recognizing Kris (and the baseball moon might imply that she DOES know things associated with Dess, but she's getting confused by the ambiguous syntax in the way a computer would).
The Dark Worlds and their Darkners originating from a shared game of make-believe between Kris and Dess (who is The Knight) would explain why The Knight chose to make the first Dark Worlds at those locations with personal significance to them, why Kris and The Knight create identical Dark Worlds despite Chapter 4 showing that someone with a significantly different worldview (even Kris's best friend) would create a significantly different Dark World, and why Kris seems so significantly attached to Dess (Dess is repeatedly and persistently alluded to in Chapter 3, while Noelle is completely absent outside of the Mantle game) and why Noelle consistently expresses that she was never sure if she was really friends with Kris.
People have speculated from the start that something happened with Kris and Dess at the Shelter, and the recent Chapters have only doubled and tripled down on that idea. Why did Kris follow Dess into the Shelter in the first place if they weren't that close?
Is all of this really meant to suggest that Dess was just a friend's older sister, and nothing more than that?

>>714369994
>optional
>just regular enemies
>main "mike" is a funny schizo that gets fanart
The music trio will always be the most forced shittiest characters

>>714382693
I think eggs are meant to be found after you hear about how to find them, but I don't see why they made it so beating Eram would lock you out.
I also don't see why they made it so not getting S rank on one of the boards or not playing the console game right away would lock you out of the secret boss though, that was pretty bad design, and it's much harder to miss in other chapters. That is more important than the egg.

>>714383141
He knew exactly what he was doing, he just underestimated how autistic general audiences have become.

>>714381879
>never brings it up again
I'm mad

>>714383169
Noelle killing Kris is going to be kino

>>714382693
chapter three is a test
its (you) proving that you have the determination to worm your way into every potentiality and find a way to [CREATE A BETTER FUTURE]
walking away from the chapter with egg, shard, and mantle in tow is proof enough to gaster that you are capable of bringing his better future into existence.

>>714383251
>Anon, what emotion is he getting out of the victim?
It doesn't JUST seem to be suffering or distress.

>I can only see their non weird route relationship deteriorating as Noelle continues to drop her spaghetti and sperg out
It depends. We all know Noele is going to totally break down the moment Rudy drops dead. That might either represent the point in which their relationship becomes genuine, or the moment where it falls apart.

>>714383141
Toby has the soul of an eroge maker but he's fated to make quirky indie RPGs

>>714383141
Like that other anon said, it was all pretty intentional. The weird route has tons of romantic/sexual undertones, I mean you're putting a ring on a girl's finger what do you think that means

>>714382451
SWORD route in lightworld

>>714381879
>had sex with Susie
>raped Kris
Our little doe sure was busy on Snowgrave route, weren't she?

>>714383306
>Is all of this really meant to suggest that Dess was just a friend's older sister, and nothing more than that?
Well, we don't know Dess's true reason. It's possible they were actually locations that were close to her and Asriel, with Kris and Noele just kind of tagging along. Most of the locations so far have been pretty universal. Most likely anybody in hometown that went there remembers them. The only exception being a place we 100% know Kris created.

>>714383547
I still think Snowgrave is us readying Noele to be a more submissive and stronger host.

>>714383537
She’ll bring it up next chapter before the festival

Do you get the gaster reload thing for the ch3 boss even if you don't have the mantle?

>>714383582
>jump ship to noelle
>equip the twisted sword on her in castle town
>leave the school
>a de-8bited version of SWORD starts to play
>undertale battle mechanics and random encounters are ON

Rough buttsex with Kris (male)

>>714383749
I'm not one to deny that Assy/Dess were close, but the fact he was writing love letters to the cat gal shows he didn't like her *that* much, at least for some time.

>>714383916
Yes, and there's extra dialogue where he tells you you can't win without it (you can prove him wrong).

>>714383141
He was thinking "God just imagine that deer's supple nubile body being violated by an interdimensional demon holy shit it's so fucking hot where's Temmie she gotta draw this"

>>714383306
This has made me realise why Queen and King don't recognise Kris or Noelle, but Tenna does. Because Kris made that Dark World, the inhabitants have Kris' memories of playing with Noelle. Whoever has been making the other Dark Fountains don't have that history, but still share Kris' worldviews, so they only have the memory of whoever made it.
>Make a fountain in an old abandoned classroom without context, you can only assume the objects there would feel abandoned and lonely
>Make a fountain in the computer room of the library without context, you can only imagine the computers would be frustrated they're being used less in the internet outage
>Make a fountain in your own home with context, they will know and remember the things you and your friends & family did over the years, including the things you would prefer to forget. Especially the things you'd prefer to forget.

>>714383916
I think all you need is completion data for ch3

>>714381664
A YOUNG WARTHOG

>>714383951
I almost feel like that was just Catty misinterpreting something. Asriel seems like the kind of good Christian boy that would only write a love letter to somebody he intends to marry, and I doubt that was Catty even if he somehow had a crush on her.

>>714383951
The fact that he never gave it to Catty tells me his heart wasn't in it

>>714384152
Queen did know who Kris was though and Tenna would inevitably have more of a connection with Kris because it's Kris's house.

King not know who Kris is makes sense simply because I don't think Kris had ever stepped foot in that classroom before.

>This is the hero of prophecy

>>714384702
and im gonna fuck him silly

>>714384702
He's not the hero
(YOU) are

>>714384535
>Queen did know who Kris was though
The explanation is that she "knew" everyone that had been making internet searches at the library, so she knew Susie, Catti, Jockington, etc.

>>714384702
I'm going to make this hero of prophecy and turn her into my tradwife.

>>714384535
Queen also "knew" Susie, Noelle, and Berdly. She never discussed old memories with Kris about being at their house, she only ever had surface level understandings of them through searches, as she did other people like Catti, Jockington, and Asriel.

>>714380232
I'm not even talking about compatibility and chemistry and other shipfag bullshit, I'm talking about actual story tropes and beats. It is intentionally written as if the entire universe is conspiring to keep them apart, and they must fight against the odds and defy the fate itself to be together, nothing less is acceptable.

>>714384702
A growing boy’s gotta eat

>>714384827
She did know he was into videogames, even though he had long stopped playing them.

>>714384702
There's two of them in that picture.

>>714384702
Poor suffering Toriel, no wonder she needs a break

What is her major malfunction

>Kind of like you're doing right now.
>*scrub* *scrub*
>*glance*...
>Let me see what you're drawing...
>*SMASH*

>>714385063
We really are a bit of a peeping tom as the soul

>>714385008
Did she? I only remember Kris being voted to play the arcade machine by Susie and Ralsei.

>>714384702
Don't do this to me, I've baked some mean pizza and I am trying hard not to eat it all in one go.

>>714383306
Before I even read your wall of cope, let me put something up clear as day for you to understand already, since the irony flew way over your head.
Queen doesn't know Dess either, otherwise she wouldn't have put the literal calendar date in it.
>b-but she would know
She has a mini Toriel outright in Kris room.
With that out of the way, let's get this over with.
>but she's just humouring Noelle
Wrong, she cares about Noelle and knows the fantasy of being an evil peon and plays along with the best of her ability, please don't try to dumb it down for the sake of trying to win the argument when Queen also shows a level of familiarity around Kris, only rivaling Noelle when it comes down to it. The moon is pretty much a reach, she knows who Holidays are and wouldn't get confused about it, see again Toriel’s case.
Asriel room must have a lot of stuff regarding Dess because by far, he seems to be the closest to her and a parallel to Kris and Noelle.
>make-believe
Right in the middle of the Dreemurr residence? So, they just casually opened the fountain right then and there, just to justify the romanticising on the situation rather than being kids playing around with inanimate objects pretending they were toys? Don't forget how Ramb wasn't even one and still got dragged into the mix, so much he developed a complex to serve Kris as much as possible(which is funny in retrospect when we put it side by side with Noelle and there's also a parallel going on, thanks for arguing over your headcanon to make me analyse it further).
Anyway, the attachment you speak of, for now, is circumstantial and there's no concrete proof of it aside wild speculation so let's give it a rest, alright buddy? The game shows a closet relationship between Dess and Asriel rather than Kris. While, yes, Dess IMPLIES knowledge of Dark World thanks to Noelle's scene over DECEMBER spelling on wanting to make Noelle tag along, it's still left open who else knew aside her, we can just assume(cont.)

>>714385038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sggmx8vysoc&list=RDSggmx8vysoc&start_radio=1

>>714383141
Based Tobithert wanted something to represent Noelle being forced under Kris's command, so he used subtle symbolism that could be read as rape in order to give the scene a certain kind of feeling, and which is thematically in line with breaking the preceding emotional intimacy that was being established in the interaction between the characters before Kris got possessed again. But based Tobias got cucked by the overzealous fan base who takes everything too literally, so he had to represent it in some other way. Foiled yet again.

>>714384702
>That snoot in the window

>>714385260
>>714383141
I still think he knew exactly what he was doing, it went past his team but once the RAPE RAPE RAPE began his lawyers advised him to change it before he got in trouble with Nintendo or rating boards.

>>714383749
>It's possible they were actually locations that were close to her and Asriel, with Kris and Noele just kind of tagging along
When Ramb talks about "you and that girl" and "kids like you two" it sounds like this was something that Kris and Dess specifically shared.
Dess and Asriel were obvious close in their own way, I'm not in any way implying any "Dess the molester lol" shitposting, but Dess also has some clear common points with Kris. They both seem like they were weird kids who would rebel and act out, in contrast to their well-behaved and traditionally successful sibling. Dess would put on MTV, Kris knows the code to watch it and "doesn't need instructions to rock."
>Most of the locations so far have been pretty universal.
Dess and Asriel were taught by Gerson in the old classroom, that's true. We know they brought stuff home from there, with Kris cheating with the cards and Asriel having a drawing of Seam on his computer (there's even speculation that Seam might be Dess's doll, based on her having buttons and yarn in her room).
The library is more of an outlier, it's a completely public space that shouldn't have much real significance to anyone. Unless you were the kind of kid who would take a laptop home to play make-believe (hey, this might explain why Spamton knows something about The Knight and connects to the "unused" code talking about Dess).
The Knight didn't create the TV World, but if you interpret their appearance after slashing Tenna as them crying, that makes a lot more sense if they just killed their imaginary friend.
The Church is similarly a public space, and I doubt Dess was particularly religious, but The Knight's fountain was able to bring Gerson back to life, which Ralsei implies is only possible if the person who created the Dark World has a profound connection to the deceased (though this doesn't have anything to do with Kris, just more "Dess is The Knight" for anyone still in denial about that).

Everyone just intuitively understands this as true

>mfw I just spotted a dnd game on roll20 with a deltarune setting
On one hand, I want to join and be autistic.
On the other hand, the GM has 0 hours played and it's likely going to be a shitshow.
I really wish my friend group was more in the same shit I am, so I wouldn't have to chance it with strangers.

>>714385549
>They both seem like they were weird kids who would rebel and act out
I'd say Kris was the one imitating her.

>>714385640
>playing TTRPG with strangers

>>714384702
>>714385021
>she'll finally realize how happy she was without you

>>714385692
Exactly. >>714380198

I’m still not sure what the Freedom leitmotif sounds like is it supposed to be the part that sounds like “I’m with you in the dark”?

>>714384702
>>714385437
Lmao, I didn't even notice

>>714385535
I think it's more so that the overly-horny fan base was actually reading it as rape, and not as a symbol in line with the established theme to represent what Toby had in mind.

>>714386239
Anon, there was people interpreting as rape over at Twitter too. And they weren't being horny about it.

>>714384702
our boy (female)

>>714385549
Dess and Kris could be close, yeah. Both are also seemingly very musically inclined, and that's not even getting into the whole Knight thing.

Carol is the one I find interesting, frankly. Despite everything, she doesn't seem to dislike Kris. In fact, while it's played up to be somewhat sinisterly, she actually seems rather welcoming of somebody that pretty much everybody in town threats as the weird kid.

>(though this doesn't have anything to do with Kris, just more "Dess is The Knight" for anyone still in denial about that).
I could MABYE see them pulling her as a massive red herring. But considering we already have a pretty obvious red herring I think it's almost confirmed by now. I could see her technically not being the knight insofar that Dess is dead and the Knight is some kind of weird darkener version, but that's about it.

>>714385692
Also possible, but there is plenty to imply he was always kind of a weird kid. I would also argue Kris isn't exactly rebellious despite Toriel being an pretty controlling mother. Unless Human Dess turns out to be a thing I think most of that was just them finding common ground despite the age difference.

>>714386239
Toby is exactly as horny as we are, we just don't have Nintendo breathing down our necks.
You may even say he's a [Heart on a Chain]

>>714386130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSgtm58r-g&t=19s
0:19-0:30
It was reused in Spamton-related songs including Big Shot, so the fans thought it was a recurring schizoboss motif. Hammer of Justice has it, but not Black Knife.

>>714383306
...else did, there's a better chance Asriel knows than Kris if we go through how close the two were and how blatant the game is about it. Nevermind if they were together or not, you can't refute that even if it's for the sake of humouring Kress shipping.
You're overblowing Dess too much and trying to make it seem like the focus is entirely on her around Chapter 3, again, it's not. There are parts where she's mentioned but there's a fair share of nostalgia going on be it for family and childhood friends, inevitably so, Noelle can very well be mentioned even without by name like it happened within the same chapter, it wouldn't make sense how she suddenly doesn't count when she spent so much time with Kris during their childhood, which Tenna and Ramb would know, even poke around a bit, considering also Ramb's reaction on asking where's she.
>the poor children
You're mixing up things as well, the four would often explore together, it wasn't just the two and you can't obfuscate that when Noelle also blatantly says it when she reminisces, Dess wasn't lost into the shelter and what goes on or happened is still unclear, much like her disappearance with heavy implication that it was in the woods.

If you want to go fetishize, fine by me, but don't play the retard and try to twist shit up for the sake of your shipping.

>>714385640
I actually tried to convince my friends to play something based on Deltarune Though I said it was based more on Persona . But instead they decided to go for a sandbox Warhammer fantasy campaign set in Lustria.

>>714379626
He's never going to like us, man.
Give up, I did.

>>714386130
clearest version is in this unreleased song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_UEI0uZ9j0
freedom motif is around the 1:00 minute mark, and it transitions into don't forget around 1:30

>>714386614
Toby is a Touhou fag, of course he's horny as fuck.

The only thing stopping him from writing shota on older women romance is the knowledge he would be banned from every public space.

>>714386130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfxTZ0aw6iY&t=20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V31PVkwzpEY&t=54s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBdLO8u-0L8&t=109s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXXKQ_nl30&t=90s
Also fuck you Sebastian Wolff you Wario-sounding motherfucker

>>714386878
>Wolf finally won

>>714386430
Well, they're still overzealous and take everything too literally. But I bet they're fucking horny freaks on the down-low too.
>>714386614
I don't see why Nintendo would give a fuck over something this lacking in explicitness. And if it actually was a problem, then there's no reason to alter the steam release as well, if rape was indeed the reading that Toby had in mind.

Are there any future plot points that would immediately kill your interest in the game? (Hard mode: no Suselle)

>>714387040
>on the down low
Nah, most of them are pretty open about it. They just have very tight standards about what they are allowed to be horny about. They can't be seen openly enjoying rape.

toby hates the skelebros now

>>714387125
Noelle dying.

>>714387125
Plenty of dumb shit that people come up with in these threads but nothing that Toby would actually do, no

>>714387125
>Kill my interest in the game
Eh... I doubt anything would totally kill my interest in the game.

Biggest thing that would disappoint me if they go too overboard with the Undertale connection. I feel the story is strong enough tog stand on it's own for the most part, with the Undertale connections largely enhancing what already exists. Would dislike it if they make Sans a boss again Though it would be hilarious if you fight him and just instantly kill him.

>>714387040
>then there's no reason to alter the steam release as well
Rating boards are notoriously fickle. Remember how Balatro kept getting slapped with 18+ in some places because it had playing cards in it? Imagine if ESRB or some other board decided to bump Deltarune to M or worse out of blue, that would be a shitshow. Obviously, the chances of this are low, but they decided to play safe.

>>714387125
i don't think it would fully kill my interest, but it would feel a bit shit if it turned out the soul was actually someone else and not Literally (You)

>>714387247
I feel like his treatment of Sans is kind of meant to deliberate annoy his insane fanbase. Otherwise, honestly, I don't mind him downplaying Papyrus.

>>714387125
it was all le dream inside kris's head
gaster was a red herring and is never addressed
friend is a red herring and is never addressed
you never return to the vessel

>>714369236
An actual Touhou-like in Deltarune's world would be banging.
> a BODY accidentally falls into between-world-code utter darkness and shreds itself apart
> SOUL remains
> SOUL wants to be free
> SOUL will do anything to become free
> SOUL fights creatures in and outside monster mythology, anthropomorphised glitches and sentient gaster blasters
> after finally beating whatever guards the cohesion of darkness the SOUL finally crawls out into some sort of a world
> the first thing it sees is Catti and Kris trying to command YOU like a bound demon
> this will not happen

>>714387247
After what the fandom did to Sans i can't really blame him, he had to shut this shit down once and for all.

>>714387530
>gaster was a red herring and is never addressed
This would be a good thing. If Gaster is anything other than the vague disembodied voice we hear a few times then it's shit.

>>714387430
The ratings boards reviewed the game already, this is squarely within the realm of "Suggestive Themes"
There are games with actual off-screen rape, dealing with rapists and traumatized rape victims, that still squeaked by with a T rating

>>714387125
Probably if it jumps the shark with some jarring retarded shit out of left field for the sake of melodrama. But Toby doesn't seem to be that kind of writer. From what I've seen from him so far, he's been pretty consistent.

>>714385769
Can't play TTRPG with anyone else, my friend group is extremely unreliable.

Bros I can’t wait another year for ch5….

>>714387871
No DnD is better than shit DnD, trust me

>>714387440
I really doubt that just because I can't think of a viable candidate. Chara worked because his existence was clearly set up. Even if you don't figure out that his soul was possessing Frisk in every route, or the more meta role he has, it was still a good gotcha twist.

>>714387125
Any of the typical "good writing" tropes (all just a dream, everyone were humans all along, unavoidable bad ending). Basically anything that makes your journey completely pointless.
Something really fucked up, like that "Dess' bloated corpse in the lake" theory we had.
Any dumb subversion involving Asriel (Dave's Bro/Eddy's Brother, piles of Asriel dust, he doesn't shows up at all).

>>714387627
First thing I thought of.

Toby didn't change the flower because people thought it was suggestive of rape, he changed the player because people thought it wasn't suggestive enough.

>>714387930
Make your own chapter 5

>>714387125
some fucking odd taxi type bullshit

>>714383140
When did the fandom decide Dess was a dark haired tomboy anyway?

what did they mean by this

>>714387627
I think it's funny just how he did it.
>Recontextualize one of the more popular ships as "This annoying guy keeps getting involved with your mother".
>Make his usual joking laid back personality seem far less pleasant just by changing the context.

>>714387752
>The ratings boards reviewed the game already
Do I need you to remind of the whole Hot Coffee debacle?

>>714388034
Lost his hand while trying to save Dess

>>714388012
Making her look more like Rudy because Noelle didn't, and picking up on lines about Dess hitting Kris with a whiffle bat and the baseball moon in Noelle's room. It's been a thing ever since chapter 2.

>>714387752
>Fire Emblem Genealogy of Holy War remake will probably get a T rating.

>>714385549
>kids like you two
Imaginative young ones, anon. How the fuck do you take that shit so badly? Kids are full of imagination and it's no surprise the rich kid would pretend the goddamn laptop is a toy to play with.
>rebel and act out
Not quite, funny enough, Kris "acted out" when it came to Noelle mostly.
The musical inclination? Yeah, sure, that's pretty much a given. Though you have to consider my Chapter 4 example that when Susie says he was "following the motions" it is a way to say we were the ones doing it, much like when we play the piano we cannot until we're forced to do puzzles. Kris wasn't the musical prodigy. Dess was.
>the kind of kid that would play make-believe
Then, why not play with Asriel? That doesn't add up at all, the two were around the same age after all, right?
Shouldn't she be playing with Seam then? Or even some stuff she has saved up in that big box of hers in her room? Hmm, how odd.

>>714387440
>"[Insert Player Name] wasn't really the greatest person"

>>714388148
Hot Coffee was because there was content not shown to the ESRB because it wasn't part of normal finished gameplay, with Rockstar being dumb enough to think people couldn't/wouldn't use modding tools to access it.

>>714387953
>All just a dream
Very much doubt that.

>everyone were humans all along,
You see, Odd Taxi made that work by being incredibly careful in it's writing. Toby has shown he can do that, so I really doubt that he will pull out that card after 100% showing that monsters and humans both exist in this world.

>unavoidable bad ending
I could see a typical anime bittersweet "Growing up" ending.

>Something really fucked up, like that "Dess' bloated corpse in the lake" theory we had.
The most fucked up thing Undertale did was arguably imply Chara and Frisk both tried to off themselves. I doubt they'll go any further than that.

>>714378190
that's kris in the suit btw

Should've been a scene where we try to talk to Kris and he just ignores us.
>Kris sitting on his bed alone
>*Kris<3
>*You thought about talking to yourself
>*But you weren't interested

>>714387125
unironical Kress after all you see between Asriel and Dess

Was the second Kris in the closet ever patched out? I wanted to even... just trying to comprehend what it could mean but I'm not wasting my time if it just patched with no fanfare.

>>714384792
>>714384827
That's my point though, Kris had a connection with Tenna because it was his house. Queen also knew who Kris was but instead it was through his internet activity.

>>714386430
Twitter doesn't get horny, those people have been on SSRIs (or occasionally HRT) since before they hit puberty, they don't know what horny even feels likes.

>>714370926
>>714370870
>Harry's plan after omega flowey used up all the 6 human souls is to make enough human children and abort them to break the barrier

>>714388148
I don't think you actually know that was about, anon

>>714388148
Those two things aren't at all comparable. Benign shit like this that's fully accessible by just playing the game doesn't get you an adults only rating. The hot coffee thing was about having full on sex scenes that were in the code, but weren't accessible via normal play. And such ratings don't really carry as much weight these days as they did back in the day anyway. In the past such a rating would be a problem, because games were sold as physical copies, and massive retailers like Walmart wouldn't sell your game, if it had an adults only rating. These days most games are sold online, and Steam has no issue hosting games that have such a rating.

>>714379639
isn't that the guy who wants to fuck blue eyes white dragon

>>714388034
Kris is a construct created in a lab, composed of detachable parts that come off easily. Paper Trail was right about too many things

>>714389326
>kris isn't a human, he's a frankenstein's monster

If it's a drop of blood, why do we see it and nothing else when we think about Noelle?

Is Kris a good kid or is he a little brat that needs a good spanking?

>>714381383

>>714388115
The fact that he ates Kris' pancakes without a care in the world makes it pretty obvious that Sans is supposed to be a fucking asshole in this game

rebelling out =/= being a prankster
Just for the sake of future arguments ahead.

>>714389518
Kris is schizophrenic

>>714383141

>>714382693
it may have something to do with the fact that this is Kris's dark world desu

>>714389518
Hooves typed this

i love the depictions of gaster just being some really chill nigga in the void with a funny looking cat just spectating all the bullshit happening with amusement

>>714389580
>in this game
That's the funny part: He's the same character but the context has just changed.

>>714389758
Its the funnest take on him yet

>>714382552
if he is a sadist though why doesn't he allow us to say that one thing to Ralsei at the beginning of chapter 4 in his room? The later moment I could get, as it was probably how Kris himself deals with situations like these, but then?

>>714375653

>>714389518
Kris gives me the ‘ick, I wish we had a better meat puppet

>>714389758
gaster is gonna be a tragic death in the snowgrave route where we reach his lab in the depths and kill him and he doesn't even fight back because he just wants to observe

>>714389610
This. Kris would never go against Toriel. Despite how much of a prankster he can be he also never seemed to pull any pranks on his parents. He clearly loved them very dearly.

>>714389758
It's also the most accurate one, he's basically just sitting back and watching how this experiment unfolds
but when he says "my Deltarune" you know he's not to be taken lightly

>>714383663
actually she was raped by (Kris), and that ended with mindbreak

>>714388115
>Confirms the most popular ship from UT in DR
>With a dash of homewrecking towards the main character
Toby was absolutely based here

>>714375653

>>714389326
>>714389389
>Knight/some other antagonist tries to psyche out Susie with the "you're not even friends with the real Kris" bit
>"Nice try with the crappy mind games, dumbass. Kris already told me about the soul. We worked that out before you ever--"
>"Oh, I don't mean the SOUL, I mean the Cage. The real Kris died a long time ago. That thing is just a copy we made out of the parts. Why do you think it needed an externally-sourced soul? You've wasted your time making friends with it. It's only built to last just until it finishes its duty, then it'll fall apart like an old car."

>>714370785
I know we were talking Undertale rules and not Deltarune but imagine:
>Enters Dark World
>Horrific Necktie becomes a Darkner

>>714379803
That was the first time he got a boner

>>714389881
Not directly, but he had no problems flush bath bombs down the toilet.

this is the first time since the first threads when we weren't nuked after ~200 replies and I like to think it was thanks to >>714375653

>>714389929
It's interesting how much power he still seems to have over HIS DELTARUNE, the impression I got at the end of the goner maker sequence is that he was usurped by someone else.

>>714390194
Yeah.

I know Chara and Kris are different people, but it does make me wonder if the buttercup thing was genuinely a accident since it seems out of character for Kris.

>>714389778
Yeah, in UT he just wanted to keep Toriel's promise until Genocide when the whole world was at risk

>>714374259
Nonzero chance that she becomes an epic badass who does that.
But she absolutely is not one at this point in the story.

>>714385184
How do you eat only a part of a pizza without still feeling hungry?

>>714390194
What. Did he shit in the pipes?

>>714387125
Undertale being a dark world.

>>714389992
If this stupid ICE-E bullshit ends up being important to the story i will scream "KINOOOOOOOOOOOO" off the top of my lungs

>>714390440
Susie becoming the equivalent of Sans is very unlikely.

Most likely she'll be like Papyrus insofar that she refuses to fight you and you kill her with one hit.

>>714375653
The boards in Chapter 3 being pastiches of Link's Awakening is a hint as to what the end of the prophecy is. The Darkners aren't long for this world.

>>714389992
post yfw we fight Ice-E and he uses Snowgrave

>>714389467
A little soul.

>>714390367
I mean they're both the Human Dreamurrs, Kris might also hate humanity, Chara didn't ever confirm that chocolate was her favorite food, it seems to be related to Asgore as he gives it to Kris, for all we know it might as well be the pie.

>>714372921
Of course he'll be forced out of the Deltarune universe in the weird route only

Why does nobody mention how this guy has the same ability as the titans
Is it because the titan fight was so shit it left no impression on anyone?

>>714390231
He's a scientist, he's naturally curious.
The Vessel being discarded may have been an unexpected interference but he's not going to stop the experiment because of it.

>>714390194
What if Ice-E coming out of the pipes had something to do with the Hometown sewers and the bunker? We hear the bunker sound in the basement in Noelle's house, maybe there's a dark world under the surface?

>>714389518
That's not how you treat a puppy

>>714390598

>>714375653
Ralsei is a copy of the Prophecy Bible. His scarves are bookmarks. He's either Toriel or Asriel's copy, from back when Asriel was a good little choir boy. He was intended to be the ruler of the church world, hence why a Cuptain says that it's a kingdom without a prince, but was intentionally stashed away in the school supply closet (a prince without a kingdom) as prep for whatever Kris needs us for. The real "prince in deepest dark" was supposed to be someone else.

>>714390665
jackenstein is a joke

>>714390652
Kris seems to dislike humanity, but it's probably not as personal as Chara. I like to imagine they are largely the same people but Kris being adopted earlier prevented the worst/most suicidal tendencies he/she normally has.

>>714390440
Actually it seems that Berdly will be the one to judge you or (you), as while there's no problem yet with attacking all-but-fictional characters, he did try to protect Noelle from (you) and when he wakes up from his Coma he'll know that it wasn't a dream, HE WILL HAVE KARMA IN HIS FIGHT

>>714390737

>>714390665
What ability? TP restriction? That's just the result of where Jackenstein lives, a place of really deep dark (the closet nobody opens), while Titans just emit that kind of darkness naturally by virtue of being Titans.

>>714385437
I didn't notice that, nice catch

>>714390598
utter kinography

>>714390843
We don't really know why Chara hated humanity, but Kris was abandoned by his parents, so it probably is also personal, at least I don't know how much more it could get.

>>714390367
Chara was more fucked up than Kris is. They couldn't let go of their past and they hated the people in their village more than they loved their "new family."
Kris seems to have been adopted at a young enough age that they don't remember where or what they were before, and Toriel and Asgore really did love them as their own child.

>>714391042
>We don't really know why Chara hated humanity
I tend to assume he was mistreated due to being a weird little shit like Kris.

Do people that were abandoned by their parents at a young age often hold a grudge against their birth parents?

>>714387125
Fan influence relation
Any plot point that's made where the it's clear the reason it exists is because of fan influence
This includes the team members that Toby's working with potentially influencing him
I want Deltarune to be Toby's creation, not whatever other people want/wish it to be

>>714387125
Kris accidentally killed dess and then hung her to make it look like suicide

>>714385549
>The Knight's fountain was able to bring Gerson back to life, which Ralsei implies is only possible if the person who created the Dark World has a profound connection to the deceased (though this doesn't have anything to do with Kris, just more "Dess is The Knight" for anyone still in denial about that).
What is Dess' profound connection to Gerson? I anything, this is fodder for 'Father Alvin is the Knight' theories.

>>714391042
imagine if it turned out the "evil baby kris" meme was actually the reason
like his parents took one look at his glowing red eyes and decided he was literally satan
which is also why kris keeps his hair down, he found out why he was abandoned and didn't want that judgement anymore

>>714391139
Chara was WAY more fucked up than Kris. While it's ambiguous to what extent he cared about Asriel, or even what he was really like, even the nicest read of him shows that he viewed his own life as 100% expendable if it meant freeing the monsters and specifically wanted to kill people he knew. The closest indication we had to kris being genuinely suicidal is Noele's blog.

>>714390843
Kris has an aversion to seeing other humans, Chara wanted to be a spree killer. Chara had a deep personal resentment against the humans in the village they came from, Kris is just uncomfortable with being reminded that they're different from everyone they've ever known.

>>714391042
>Kris was abandoned by his parents
source on this please?

>>714385549
>which Ralsei implies is only possible if the person who created the Dark World has a profound connection
No, he literally just says "Special Darkness" which can mean literally anything. Either through just being better at creating dark fountains, having a strong memory, or making a dark fountain with a specific tool, or anything else we don't know.

>>714374613
why did he delete his baraag...

>>714391362
the thing is though Kris doesn't have red eyes, the only moments that happens is the ending of Chapter 1 and falling down to the dark world IIRC. When Kris is in the middle of pulling his heart out his eyes are white, and when Susie creates her dark fountain her eyes are also red.

>>714391490
He was adopted retard

>>714391490
How else would the Dreamurrs get a human child, seemingly the only one in the town?

>>714391318
Gerson was Dess's teacher since childhood (or at least most of her formative years, assuming Toriel teaches the youngest children) and it's easy to imagine that he could have been a mentor to her, with how we see him recognize Susie and Kris's troubles and guide them

>>714391609
>There! That's what I wanted to see!
>Flickering red, like pretty little flames...
>Your eyes can't hide it, Kris.
His eyes are red.

>>714381664
a young man and never been kissed
I got to thinking over how much I had missed
So I got me a girl and I kissed her and then
Oh Lord I kissed her again

>>714391721
maybe the bloodline had a human generations back and the recessive human genes all resurfaced, hm?

>>714391362
I think it is actually a fandom theory that Chara was bullied because of his red eyes.

>>714391042
>>714391490
>>714391721
Not all orphans were "abandoned," Kris's parents could be dead or they could be an artificial human and not have real parents at all

>>714391465
I agree.They are way too similar to be a coincidence though.

I finally figured out what the mantle sprite reminds me of.

>>714391875
Where's that dialogue?

>>714391465
This immediately kills the human Dess theory because of how it specifies "unfamiliar" humans, like from the sound of it Kris would probably freeze up if he had to interact with another human since he's used to being around monsters his whole life

>>714392184
After beating the Mantle fight.

>>714364861 (OP)
Hey so is there something up with kris's hand?

>>714392287
idk the first 2 lines don't feel like they're describing his eye color to me

>>714392445
It'll be cut off probably, Kris Skywalker or something

>>714391721
>>714392008
maybe its the same case as Chara, were he runaway from his human parents
not in the case of some resent towards humanity (since he doesn't show that in >>714391465) and probably just got lost or something

>>714392286
Nah, it might actually strengthen it. If Dess is the only human he ever knew and SOMETHING bad happened to her it's possible we might actually be confusing Kris being uncomfortable of seeing other humans (Who he would naturally associate with Dess) for him disliking humans as a whole.

>>714392532
Then what the fuck is it describing?
"Ooh Kris you really jammed your thumbs into the fucking controller they've gone all red like pretty little flames"
"Wow Kris, you opened your mouth so wide when I thrashed your shit as a floating cape, I saw your pretty red tonsils"
Or could it be the eyes he literally mentions.

>>714392737
He was adopted when he was VERY young though. He seemingly assumed he was going to grow horns like Asriel and I find it pretty unlikely to believe that was going to happen if he ran away. Even if he ran away when he was, like, five.

>>714392532
why not
they mention red directly

>Parents instantly dumped Kris the moment they saw he had red eyes.
Harsh...

Does Deltarune actually take place in China?

>>714392891
Dess being human would clash against the theme of Kris hating that he's so different to his family and feeling dejected for being different to everyone in town so i discard it

>still trying to figure out why Chara was like that after 7 years
He was very clearly just fucked in the head, some people are wired wrong from birth

>>714392901
>>714393173
well fair enough, I wasn't sure initially, but it does seem like his eyes are naturally red. I do think that normally he only would have red irises like a normal person though, and the moments shown in the game aren't how they normally look though.