https://youtu.be/tBdLO8u-0L8?si=tibD0gNUnEf40nyA

>>715364858 (OP)

>>715364858 (OP)
Susie is an overrated character and it would be much better if she shared the spotlight with other main characters instead of being the center of the story

I can't get used to the deltarune /vg/ threads it's just not the same

>Posted my precious darling game idea right when thread was saged
To not make this a faggotry repost I'll return when I'll stop being a lazy ass and then ask you for some improvements

sex with ralsei

>>715365532
They'll kill you for saying this but its true. She's not a bad character obviously and definitely one of the more interesting ones, but I would be lying to myself and you would be lying to yourselves if you think her arc is more interesting than the dynamic between Kris, the Player and Gaster, or Dess and the Knight. I hope the Susie power hour was a one off thing for Chapter 4 and we get two chapters that focus on Kris and (You), and Ralsei respectively

The chapter 3 sword game will have different consequences based on if you tried to attack Kris/Susie or not.

>>715365532

>>715365685
damn... i have to jerk off now...

>>715366056
Go on...

>>715365303
This one is so fucking good

>>715365587

well we managed to pull 2 years of /v/ threads after CH2 (before you know, toby taking TOO LONG)

We have a maximum 1 year, 5 months until CH5, which I suspect it will be done early 2026 (in theme of spring/flowers).

Janny can't stop us forever

>>715365532
Wrong. This is Susie’s game, and you're living in it.

What is Kris"s ordeal?

>>715365532
I think Susie got the screentime she deserved(a bit over the top tho), considering she's the only character in the game who isn't hiding shit from (You).

>>715365843
We're definitely getting a Ralsei power hour in Chapter 5. The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy, and who just revealed he has fire magic and also got outclassed in every way in the most recent chapter? Ralsei. Everyone else has more health and defence, his attack is the lowest even with the PuppetScarf, his healing just got beat by Susie's BetterHeal, and even Noelle can do group pacify's so he doesn't even have that. He's going to unlock Fireshock or Dragon Blazer or some other bullshit attack spell and it's going to be great.

>>715365685
Do not lewd the goat

>>715365587
In hindsight was the analog horror stuff during the spamton sweepstakes because they were working on that chapter 3 video at the time and wanted to practice the style?

>>715366224
I don't want these threads to become a general.

>>715366056
I see why Toriel put on the parental lock.

>>715366348

>>715366281
Wait but that show got cancelled.

>>715366348
>both fake horns
I get it now. It's definitely going to turn up as disproven headcanon, but I really like the human Dess designs.

apple ship

I miss bros

>TANKS snowgravy like a BEAST
>HOelle still missing her sister and her dad's dying and mom's a bitch
BASED

>>715366348
>>715366435
itll be so funny when we get an actual dess sprite and its some ugly ass tobyism that needs to be fixed by fanartists like every other character except susie and muffet

>>715366402
Deltarune threads had a good passe of being pseudo generals while still keeping their quality, hate us or not, schizobros theorist keep their sophistication intact.

I sure do hope we won't descent the fate UTY threads went where after 3 months since UTY release threads transformed into actual /vg/ general on /v/ with /utg/ "quality"

>>715365532
All the major characters are equally spotlighted, you're easily duped because she happens to be the loudest.

>>715366560
She's canonically into hard vore

Why do so many people say Dess molested Kris?
Did I miss something or is it just a meme like Asgore running her over? He just admired her from what I understand

>>715366657
Berdly-sama, I kneel

>>715366560
like in the spamton sweepstakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGviW0_aNKs

Post the first deltarune image you have saved (no undertale)

>asgore truck meme
>only two characters have been shown to get drunk
>the queen's chariot cannot be stopped
>the Holidays working with Rudy
The truth is so close yet so far.
In the bunker is Dess' bat covered in her ashes. Rudy and Carol are both the knight, one in the light and one in the dark. Escapism is Rudy's strength and that's why he's the Darkworld Knight.

>>715365614
Good luck
And why must burgerpants suffer...

>>715366435
>knight takes off helmet
>turns out the antlers really were just part of the helmet
>but it's dess anyway
Honestly would make DessKnight work for me.

>>715365303
who made this? hilarious.

>>715366281
>use iceshock a couple of times and kill her with snowgrave
The Susiewanking power trip doesn't work if there's another route where it is foreshadowed that she will be turned into mince meat by (Us)

>>715366824

>>715366941
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnY

>>715366767
tis a horny headcanon

>>715366894
>she was lost after her shed but before the new ones came in
>her corrupted body is permanently antler-less

>>715366820
I ironically like the skelebros being Frisk's Duncles desu.

>>715366670
It'd be worse if she was just attractive tbqh
And I say that as someone who jacks off to sexy pics of her

Of course if she's fugly that's unforgivable

>>715366728
Susie is one of the only three characters in the game who reliably show up in every chapter dark world unless we count starwalker, Kris often ends up being pushed aside due to being a silent protag and Ralsei is too much of a doormat to get all that attention.

>>715366657
Unfunny forced shonenspic meme.

Here is your canon Dess design bro

>>715367024
Susie is the Axe of Justice. She might tank it and go Undying like Undyne.

>>715367141
>the three main protags are the three characters who show up in every chapter
Wow no shit what an amazing galaxy brain take

>>715366824

>>715366859
>And why must burgerpants suffer...
He's the most relatable representation of plights the modern man must suffer

>hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is noelle but u can call me t3h Re1Nd33R oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^… im 16 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!! DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe…toodles!!!!!

>>715366824
Okay then.

>>715366824
I loved this goat since the start

>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

mixing dessknight and humandess, what if thats what happens to a human when they enter the dark world without a soul?

>>715367141
There's a reason that the Kris-Player shit is the biggest source of shitposting for Deltarune, that and Spamton-Tenna with mike and all that shit, its because Kris and Player is not only what we're actually playing as so we have a more direct stake in it, but generally just far more interesting from a story pov. I'd rather we get a chapter focused on that than yet another Susie shonen training arc

>>715364858 (OP)
>General outside of /vg/
See ya

>>715366894
i like to believe that the antlers arent literal and that they manifest in the dark world as like a homage to dess. for example, say the knight is asriel for some reason, the antlers are part of the armor because of his longing for her or something.
just seems a bit too obvious to have one of the holiday family be the knight, especially this early.

>>715367323
Total East Love.

>>715367217
And Undyne still gets torn apart by (You).

>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

>>715367271
So why are we claiming Susie gets as much focus as the other major characters, the majority of which don't even get to be in every chapter?

>>715367352
*farts in my hand and slaps you across the face*
something like that
any other answer I could give you would also be pulled from my ass so dont expect a constructive answer
the ONLY thing we know for certain is that you need a human soul to seal fountains everything else is pure CONJECTURE

>>715366824

>>715367334
yeah who wouldn't wanna hug the heck out of him

>>715366767
Wait, why do they share the same poses?

>>715367343
>>715367391
>>715367453
This

>>715367303

>>715367516
the jap line is that kris cannot enter dark worlds without a soul.
either he's physically incapable, or not having a soul makes it so that whats in the dark world isnt him.

>Kris wants to fuck this

>>715367105
i just know its gonna look nothing like the current fanart. theres not even a guarantee that shes a deer.
its gonna be funny to see how they handle tagging.

>>715367453
>>715367343
>>715367391
Ywnbaj

>>715367591
I think its because you can't leave without one. Castle Town is the only dark world you can enter and exit freely. The only way you can actually get out is by sealing the fountain and only we can do that.

>>715367538
Let me just copy my theory to you:

Something that I’ve seen absolutely no one comment on is that at the end of the backstage mini game, you mimick the knights movements exactly. First you kill Tenna, then move to the right, and then finally move down to the bunker immediately after
Kris and the Knight pose similiarly in many, many instances. At first I thought that this was because Kris admired Dess/Knight, the second mantle game suggests something else however. In it there is a black deer transformed into a shadow-monster that copies your exact movements. This must be viewed in conjunction with the events of mantle game 3.
In game 3 mini-kris copies the Knights future actions before they even happen
You kill Tenna
Continue going to the Right
And then you head down into the bunker
Then you head inside of the bunker against your will and meet Eram.
At the end of the chapter the bunker opens for Kris so this happens as well.
This all happens after the mantle game. But how did it know what would happen?
1/2

>>715366551
>antlers clearly behind it and not drawn onto it like the little horns are
have you never seen a womans headband before

>>715367538
>>715367710
2/2
If Kris poses were simply copying Dess why does the Knight carry out actions in the exact same way as Kris? Maybe Kris's original soul is in Dess. It has been suspected by many that only those with souls remain as lightners in the dark world and can go back to the light world. A dark world could revive Dess, but it couldnt let her leave it. So Kris tried his best to save her. But it ended up twisting her, we don't know what happens to monsters who absorb human souls in deltarune, the facts are different.
If Kris's soul is in the Knight it would explain how he can either see or plan out what the Knight does before it happens.
Lastly I would just like to mention that dark worlds created by monsters seemingly are reversed with different colours and a different structure, as evidenced by the fountain Susie made. That would imply that the other fountains were made by those with human souls. So how does the Knight have a human soul? Well, you know now.
The Knight even has an eye where Kris has a soul. There clearly is a deeper link between them

>>715367303
She would do this and remember it one day in her lonely ass apartment and bang her antlers on the wall

>>715366824
could it really be anything else?

>>715367187
>Unfunny f- AAAAAACK

This is the Deltarune general
Any Deltarune threads should be redirected here

>>715367702
you can also get out if the door in the light world is open, its how you can get out in CH3, and if you reload after beating 4.

>>715367521
Toriel and Carol are shitty mothers, but there's no way they're worse than weeb dog Mengele.

>jannies delete the posts pointing out that this is a general
>but allow the general to stay up
okay

>>715367393
Everything about the Knight we see suggests it's merely taking a form. It really does come across as a shadow come to life than someone wearing armor.

>>715366824

>>715366791
IN retrospect was Toby trying to setup a romance right in that introduction?

>>715367902
thats because its not a general, we actually talk about the game.

>>715366824

>rape-posting finally died off
mmh

>>715367086
>pic
matching wedding bands with your duncle!

>>715365532
I think toby is trying to do that for a very specific reason. She's been taking the spotlight because she is new to all this shit and has much more vigor and hope than anyone else. From the tenna talk to a lot of shit she does to solve shit like dunking us in the giant and such, she keeps purposefully taking center stage with her new hopeful outlook from the recent adventures.

But at the same time I see a lot of scenes hinting that she might be too hopeful. Obviously with the tenna scene, she says all that shit about life sucking but it'll get better, yet he still dies (obviously you can save him but in that moment he gets cooked). And during the knight fight, yeah you can win and get a chip off, but that entire fight is built with her having that speech about her friends backing her up while they are usually cooked for most of that fight, and even loses regardless despite her bravado. And with all of ch 4, sure she shows she can get stronger faster than anyone expected with her being able to grind her healing, but she also had a lot of scenes of just rushing after the knight without waiting for the others and it ends up not mattering at all. It feels like she just has hope and not much else, even though shes shown she is somewhat competent.

It's making me feel like down the line, its going to come down on her, whether it's finding out about kris/ralsei hiding really fucked up shit or running into a situation where she bumrushes and pays for it. I can't see toby not trying to go down this route, we've seen that he prefers more bittersweet outcomes even if the end may be way better, so its why I don't really mind it. Obviously I will be disappointed if it ends up she is just this godlike hopepilled person who solves every problem that comes their way, but I dont expect it.

>>715367902
Even they know that backseat jannies are more pathetic than actual jannies

>>715367902
>thinking the janny is on our side
This is an llm

>Oh, it's already this time?
>See ya, Kris

>>715366824

>>715367787
look at dess's facial structure, anon.

>>715367538
Knight has Kris's SOUL, duh.

>>715367842
That's twice now that Tobias the Fox has included a gay character in his games: (You), the player, for finding Asriel/Ralsei cute

>>715368027

>>715367902
>Whether it's a three day ban or one month, Deltarune threads will be there.
bravo, Toby

>>715367512
If you haven't actually been paying attention to Kris and Ralsei then that's your problem. Like I said, you're just easily distracted by whoever's loudest.

What's his next move?

>>715367902
I think it's just one or two specific jannies that hate us. During the night, eastern time, the threads usually stay up.

>>715367902
You're such a bitch KEK.

>>715368048
by God, she has TWO red noses!

>>715367986
I mean, Susie can't even save Tenna unless we the Player recruit everyone in Chapter 3. I would be remiss if this game doesn't have its player character be focal to the story, so I think Susie can only make a better end to the prophecy with our help. LOVE finds its way to the girl, after all

>>715366056
gonna need sauce for that noelle anim holy

>>715367984
... you know, I didn't actually see that, lmao. My bad.

Noelle is trans. This is an objective fact.

>>715367986
the entirety of 3 & 4 are building up susie's confidence in herself and her friends only to ruthlessly pull all of it out from under her in ch5
all the people she trusts are hiding shit from her, and we got a little taste of how she reacts when her trust in someone is shattered with toriel
there's a decent chance that susie kick starts the roaring after getting fed up with all the bullshit in the light world and giving up in general

>>715368238
We will see. I can see it going either way, even despite being 4 out of 7(?) chapters in, the really big reveals are still secrets.

>>715367902
It would have been better for you crusade to not post this out because it's really fucking funny to everyone else.

>>715368126
Badges of honor

>>715368371
ELNINA
SEXOOOOOOO

>>715366824
Technically, I guess it's this screenshot I took day 1 when I managed to clip through the trees and was fucking around.
I don't even remember if I ever actually posted this.

>>715368335
ngl Susie completely breaking is exactly what I want to see

>>715367323
>keep faggots out of your fandom

we know, its the first rule.

>>715367908
>Everything about the Knight we see suggests it's merely taking a form
thats kind of what i mean. people think that the antlers automatically mean that the knight is dess/carol/rudy, with the bat making it more likely to be dess, but its just as likely that those things are manifesting because of the desires or "allegiances" of the knight. if you think of the knight as someone whos fighting -for- dess, then the antlers and bat could merely point to how strong that connection is, instead of being literal physical traits.

>>715368301
So you are telling me "She" is actually a femboi? And this disturbs me how?

>>715368132
Ralsei has yet to have a solo in an optional boss fight or develop his move set (neither has Kris on that one). Hell there's a whole bit in Chapter 3 where Ralsei mentions how much he isn't used to being of significance. Susie is the loudest but that's part of what gives her focus. Kris being a silent self-insert protag does him his presence in the story often gets glossed over.

>>715368335
I mean yeah, eventually Susie's going to have everything in her life come crashing down. Toriel is a drunk idiot who is more concerned with her skeletal boyfriend.
Kris is being puppeteered by an interdimensional deity sent from the Devil himself.
Ralsei is continuing to hide shit even after being pressured to just be honest and Noelle's crush on her is superficial and the result of the absence of her older sister with a suspiciously similar personality.
All the while, the Knight is trying to kidnap Undertale characters with impunity.
She isn't like Sans in Undertale who is already extremely jaded and depressed, and she isn't like Undyne who has years of experience in war. She's a teenager clearly not equipped for the reality of the world.

>>715366824
here's the oldest one I have on this pc, but I know I have screens from the demo saved somewhere

>>715368301
True

>>715368480
Listen man I get it as a former papyrusknightfag but any theory where Dess isn't the knight just comes across as copium.

I THINK DESS AS THE KNIGHT SUCKS

>>715366824
Wednesday, October 31, 2018, 9:49:58 PM

>>715365463
Almost hot

>>715366824

>>715366824
Funny how prescient this ended up being

>>715366824

Kris? Gets DUNKED ON by Frisk.

>>715368691
>>715368717

god damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnmind

New Krusie art

>>715368510
>Kris being a silent self-insert protag
I'm not going to try to convince you because I know nothing will be able to convince you when you're still this shallow in your understanding of the game after chapter 1, let alone chapter 3 and 4.

>>715366824

>>715368616
i dont know and dont care to know who the knight is, it could be fucking ice-e and id love it if they played it right.
only reason i care is because everyone seems to have written off the knight as dess, but it just seems too obvious at this point in the story. unless the knight's identity isnt that important, why would you give away the entire reveal before the halfway point of the story, to the point where just LOOKING at the knight is enough to know who it is?

>>715368635
It’s just too obvious. Has to be a red herring

>>715368698
someone posted a comic of carol taking kris to the shelter to see dess knight but it was an image for ants so I didn't save it.

>>715366560
Every fucking time Susie brings up apple hair I can only think of that suicide bridge vore comic.

>>715366824
oh first as in oldest.
damn, i dont have those anymore.
i had a big 'ol image archive but it deleted itself years ago.

>>715368953
>it was an image for ants
stop browsing 4chan on your phone dumbass

>>715369017
There is only so much I can do scrolling at work.

>>715366657
>>715367824
My HERO.

>>715368878
There's a reason why Kris never speaks directly, has an undefined gender, and an undefined race. Kris is a silent self-insert protagonist but with a twist that he has a will of his own. The reveal at the end of ch 1 was meant to be a surprise.

>>715369017
People don't know you can just delete the ".m" in the link to download it for full?

Rudy as the Knight makes the most thematic sense and I will argue it until the day I'm proven correct.
Imagine you've lost your daughter, your best friend is going nuts in a divorce, your other daughter is fucked up in ways you can't explain, and the closet things you have to sons are either killing themselves or gone away.
Think about it, the Queen is how Rudy sees Carol, as a good overbearing mother. All the dark fountains, except the ONE made by Kris are within walking distance of the hospital and have closets to hide in.
What would you do if your daughter was killed (Toriel actually hit Dess while drunk driving theory), but you found a way to bring her back to life in the Dark World? You would want to spread the darkness just for a chance to have her back, but when she's outside the bunker she turns to stone.
Rudy also has a unique face sprite that only important characters have, he has multiple unique sounds (The knight also laughs with the same pose almost), and has been shown to get out of bed at this point.
If he can retain knight form somehow in the light world (making himself sick) he could easily have carried Undyne.
Deltarune has themes of escapism, and who wants to escape more than a parent who lost their child and is dying?

>>715368880
Noelle looks like she trusted the wrong fart

>>715369073
And chapter 1 was released 7 years ago, if you're still this clueless after so long then there's no point, it's like lecturing a pigeon.

>>715369081
God, how I wish they did.

>>715369175
It’s Dess. I don’t understand how people can’t accept it at this point

>>715368635
I want Carol to be the Knight because I think she would look really hot wearing its armor.

>>715369245
Okay, if it's so obvious then why is Dess doing it?
Why would you have a Dess in the files asking to be saved, while at the same time having Dess be the Knight? It's like if Gaster was actually Asriel and Flowey was his evil half, it's shit.

plap.

>>715369208
Kris playing the role of a silent self insert is the reason why he often gets glossed over, why all of his character shit happens in the background.

>>715368878
kris is a silent self insert protag, as evidenced by the fact we have never seen him speak on his own volition. While deltarune breaks the 4th wall a ton and has established the soul as a character we control, the protagonist is still kris and we control him as well.

people reading too much into the they stuff are cringe as fuck.

>>715369175
>your other daughter is fucked in ways you can't explain
ftfy

>Gerson says that Susie is the best and all that shit during the bossfight
>She only wins because of our dodging skills
Shit isn't fair

>>715369413
At least she is aware of it

>>715369413
This is extends to almost every fight in Deltarune

>>715369245
Dess is not going to show up, she is missing, remember.
It's like some people don't even read.

>>715369413
i think gerson may have been a more insidious type of schizo
building up susie's confidence and hope knowing that she'll crash and burn harder later for it
i'm not sure if i believe him not looking into the crystal

>>715369498
DESS IS THE KNIGHT

>>715369515
>hypes up susie's confidence
>gets a lot more real when talking to kris on weird route
could be honestly

>Rudy tells Susie he'll kick her ass
>She tells the Knight she'll kick his ass in the light world
>The Knight laughs just like Rudy afterwards
The main argument is "muh bat" and "muh sickness" but are there any reasons that it couldn't be Rudy using the weapon of his dead daughter?
It's thematic. You have the Holidays and the Dreemurs, Susie who was alone and doesn't want the present to end, and Ralsei and possibly the player who want to see the end.
If you can't see these themes you might just be retarded.

Is this guy in deltarune?

>>715369515
I don't think Gerson actually knows about us. He never looked into the shadow crystal, those who did went insane like Jevil and Spamton. Maybe doing that is what gives you the Lovecraftian encounter with G man and you get an existential crisis?
I don't think Susie is the X factor in the prophecy, we are. Think about it. Any time Susie does something IMPORTANT, she can only do it due to us.
Saving Tenna? Only if we recruit everyone.
Beating the Knight? That's us, not to mention the fact that we alone beat ERAM and got the Shadow Mantle.
Beating Gerson? She admits that she did it with our help.
It all comes down to us at the end of the day.

>>715369676
*The Holidays and the Dreemurs who can't let go of the past
>>715369694
In a book

>>715366767
It's an association of ideas
Kris serves the Knight
Most people believe the Knight is Dess
ergo, Kris serves Dess.

>>715369694
He leaves a note in the librarby in ch 1

>>715369282
Based

>>715366767
Goon addiction.

But I do think kris and dess are closer than people thing.

>>715369676
>>The Knight laughs just like Rudy afterwards
they laugh like the amalmagate, not like rudy
and those themes fall under the same meaning with dess knight, and they're stronger there too.

To think. Another 2 years if waiting.

>>715366824

>>715369332
nta but yeah, there isnt much to be gained narratively by having the knight be dess.
i genuinely wonder what people think is gonna happen after the supposed reveal happens
>hey its me, dess! you know, dess, noelles sister whos only been mentioned in a few scenes and ARG pieces? im not missing or dead, im actually here, living in the dark world, and im causing the roaring for X reason!
>...
>hi noelle, hey kris.
theres no narrative payoff to doing that, and unless that fact played into an entirely untold story, its extremely weak.

>>715369849
Californian detected

>>715369676
Honestly I want the knight to be Rudy because of the psychic damage it would inflict on everyone who jacked off to it.

>>715369849
Maybe if neuralink or whatever brain implant valve is working on comes out before then Toby can just *think* the code and art at the computer and have it out lickety split.

>>715369837
Why is Dess in the files and the Knight
If she can leave the dark world to carry Undyne, what's the point of anything she does? She's asking for help in the files, but she can just leave dark worlds and walk around? Susie literally saw the Knight in the light world, you don't think she would notice another DEER in the town with 3 deer and 1 missing?

>>715369956
its on them for jacking to a literal stick man

>>715369876
what was the narrative payoff of Flowey being Asriel, someone we didn't even know existed until literally the penultimate area of the game?

>>715369676
>The main argument is "muh bat" and "muh sickness" but are there any reasons that it couldn't be Rudy using the weapon of his dead daughter?
Unless Rudy is pulling a massive long con
Why would he fake a illness and pretend to be on the edge of biting the bullet? to mislead (you)?
The only way he's knocking out Undyne and running with her to the bunker is if he's faking it.
Also there's several clues that the Knight has a very close bond with Kris. Would Rudy really count? I guess you could argue he might have became a father-like figure in his life when the divorce was occuring but it still feels like a stretch. The scene in my image wouldn't fit with Rudyknight either

>>715369515
Gerson had already attained a level of freedom that the crystal couldn't hope to match. There's no greater freedom than being free from mortality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RDox8eAR-Q

>>715369901
California>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere

>>715369956
I already jack it too ambiguously gendered characters. The thrill is part of it.

>promised to tell Kris later
>never does
Bravo Toby

https://twitter.com/fambramb/status/1944266882061939129

>>715370069
A screen that is built to change based on your facial expression would be really cool for a cosplay

>the knight is dess's soulless amalgamate body

>>715370120
she did you just couldn't listen cause you were too busy banishing the dark fountain

>>715368847
I'm telling you, Kris doesn't give a shit about pronouns. I guarantee you'd get away with calling him any pronoun to his face and he wouldn't bat an eye.

>>715367303
This is why you get raped

>>715369989
All I'll say is we don't know when the dialogue in the files took place. Could be a precursor of her going insane and becoming the knight.

>>715366324
>who just revealed he has fire magic
Wait he has?

>>715370120
What's more likely is that Susie got kissed or some shit by Noelle who is more bold thanks to our influence. What I hope was the case is that Noelle was asking where Kris is repeatedly, Susie interprets that as Noelle having a crush on Kris, and thats why she wants to tell him later.

>>715370021
It's not that he's faking it, he just might not be as weak as people say. In Undertale he was Asgore's best friend, so I would imagine he has SOME strength.
I can imagine Kris and Rudy working together to try to bring back Dess to get their family back together. The Holidays and the Dreemurs keep getting closer and closer with every flashback every chapter. Kris is a teenager who's parents are divorced in a bad way, his brother is gone, and he's self harming. Rudy is the closest thing to a second dad he has.

>>715366670
I wish there was more on model Noelle art..

>>715370256
He uses fire magic to light the incense darkners in the church as part of an ACT.

>Dess in the files
Okay I need actual canon proof of what the fuck people are talking about here

>>715370168
Uh...anon??

>>715370256
The incense turtle enemies in Ch4, he can light them up with fire.

>>715370003
Did you reupload this...

>>715369413
>susie ends up in another solo boss fight with kris down and out nearby
>fight ramps up, shes getting excited about how far shes come and how much shes kicking ass without thinking
>she gradually becomes concerned with how much her body is moving on its own
>she reaches in and tugs (You) out of her
>"K-Kris... what is this thing?"
itd be kino.

>>715367303
Kinda sad people acting like this don't really exist anymore, I miss being le wacky quirk tumblr trash sometimes

>>715370353
ok we need a tenna one then

>>715370264
It was 100% about Kris. Look at how Susie is smiling. That’s the “ah hell yeah bro you got this” look

>>715368635
same

>>715370346
There is no proof people just tend to headcanon the "unused" monologue speaker as Dess

>>715370375
You're not physically inside Susie though. In both solo Susie fights the SOUL comes from off-screen, from Kris.

https://twitter.com/roll_stardust4/status/1943798637404074190

>>715370346
This is pretty widely regarded to be Dess. There's another set with Spamton's whole "can anyone hear me" dialogue.

When???

>>715364858 (OP)
Am i the only one that did like that the game guilt trips you to give away Tenna to Mettaton?

>>715370003
>no reuploading
Anon... it says so right there, clear as day... what have you done...?

>>715370353
Imagine how much that suit/head would cost. Who funds furfags?

>>715370497
When it's done

>>715370515
*did not like
GOD

DAMMNIT

>>715368786
Frisk is the strongest AND the cutest.

>>715370067
My favorite is It's MAC time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2rziGtwWVY

>>715370497
If that crossover ever happened it might be what makes me actually try Fortnite

>>715370497
Susie is the only character who looks better in the pixel art than the myriad of brick shithouse hulk hogan abominations that are drawn by Western artists that looks like a man with female colours, with no attempt to make her look vaguely feminine at all

>>715370316
>>715370354
Wow that flew way over my head.

>>715368616
>any theory where Dess isn't the knight just comes across as copium
The same way you thought papyrus came across as the knight?

>>715370000
Tbf nobody actually cares about Asriel, they like Flowey as a character but can only feel bad about him when being reminded he used to be a cute goat kid.

>>715370000
this, imagine if ut was an episodic game, we'd be arguing about the same shit

>>715370729
that's varik

>>715370661
>>715370316
>>715370354
And yet he didn't deem the titan urgent enough to reveal what offensive magic he's been hiding from us.

>>715370610
I like to think the reason Frisk doesn't have TP is because he doesn't need it. Kris is resistant against us, so we need to build up resources to force the party to do certain actions, you can see this from the TP cost of susie's heal going up when she doesn't want to use it. Frisk on the other hand is perfectly in sync with us, and is always trying their best to follow commands except in a few specific circumstances, so they have no need for TP.

>>715370729
post the last panel.

>>715370267
I like the idea but as I said earlier, as a former papyrus fag I think you're just interpreting what you want to see and ignoring everything else.
>>715370664
Yeah exactly. I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong, god most of the schizo theories pre 3/4 were. Sometimes you just start seeing shit that isn't there.

The main issue I have with the Knight's identity is that the dark fountain in chapter 2 is formed only after Noelle and Berdly arrive. This is proven by the fact that they're at the desks in the middle of studying when they wake up. So that means one of three things need to be true:
1) The Knight knew that Noelle would be in the computer lab that afternoon and waited in the closet until she arrived before making the fountain. Plausible, but easily fucked up if she decides to study at home instead, and it would require Rudy to leave the hospital with nobody noticing for an extended length of time and then get back in time for Noelle to chat with him after.
2) The Knight has to be someone that Noelle and Berdly would not consider strange to be in the lab, allowing them to walk in and make the fountain in the server closet when Noelle and Berdly aren't paying attention. This would immediately disqualify literally her entire family for obvious reasons.
3) Queen is wrong and the Knight isn't the one making the fountains in the Light World, which means the Knight could be anyone capable of travelling between Dark Worlds and the Knight's ally (besides Kris) is someone who fills the role of #2. Rudy could still be the Knight under this logic, but it would require him to make a fountain in the hospital every time with nobody noticing so he can travel to the other dark world and then get back and seal it himself when he doesn't have our soul. Under this scenario, it's much easier for the Knight to simply be someone who lives in the Dark World permanently.

>>715370000
You have a point, mainly in that I always hated the Flowey=Asriel twist.

Imagine being Ralsei right now.
>Your friends know how the dark world works by now for the most part
>The only thing you brought to the team during fights, healing, has been outdone by Susie
>Susie thinks you kept information from her
>You are vaguely aware that Kris is being possessed by a demon
>You know full well that you aren't real
Why doesn't he just kill himself?

Oh no no no no nonono NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOO

>>715370958
>Why doesn't he just kill himself?
Because the prophecy says he doesn't.

>>715370836
TP will probably get an acronym by the end just like LOVE and EXP, one that applies to the fun gang but not to Frisk. Also Frisk is generally just extremely overpowered.

>>715370515
It’d be nice if you could give him to Noelle too. She talked about getting a CRT TV to play retro games

>>715370814
Personally I don't think his fire magic is actually powerful offensive magic, he's in-universe supposed to be a support character and not an attacker. So a weak incense-lighting flame isn't going to do shit against a Titan. I think chapter 5 is going to involve Ralsei breaking his intended role and developing offensive magic of his own.

>>715370937
Not that anon but plrase elaborate

>>715371030
but its already tension points

>>715370846
I think you might misunderstand. I'm saying you might not be in a position to judge what's cope, since it's apparently the same judgement that thought the knight could be papyrus.

>>715371030
The T cannot be anything other than "Tension" considering all TP items have Tension in the name.

>>715370000
its not really the same. the identity of flowey was largely irrelevant outside of "whys this asshole fucking with me"", up until new home/true lab, which put asriel front and center as a character who was not only a major character in the narrative but the apparent linchpin of the events that caused the monsters to be forced underground.
now imagine if undertale was a two part game, asriel was mentioned by major characters multiple times, and flowey had big floppy goat ears when you first saw him in part 1, with a multiple year gap between part 1 and part 2. thats a bit shit, isnt it?

>>715368335
>there's a decent chance that susie kick starts the roaring after getting fed up with all the bullshit in the light world and giving up in general
no
susie is not retarded enough to do that
fucking media illiterate retards i swear to god

>>715371003
TOOOOOOBBBYYYYYYYY

>>715371063
>Noelle would be posting crtfaggotry on /v/ if the internet was still up
Absolutely grim...

>>715370836
Eh. ACTing never costed any TP outside of stuff like X-slash, nor does FIGHTing or other abilities Frisk can use, just magic powers. Plus I don't think we're controlling Frisk, at best we're just guiding her on how to leave the Underground. Undertale isn't Deltarune, and I dislike meat puppet Frisk a lot. Even if that would make sex with her easier.

>>715371116
Asshole flower was a cool character concept. He's ruined by making him a fluffy goatboy.

>>715371030
I mean we know it stands for "Tension Points" we learn that really early. So, tension between what? Or just tension in terms of vibe? I think it's "tension" between the player and the characters, since they're all kind of resistant, so we build it up and it lets us force certain actions or push the party past their limits.

>>715370846
I'm gonna be real with you, Papyrus Knight was retarded from the get go. It's the same for Dess, you have a character that you know about and hasn't appeared in ANY meaningful way yet in the story, versus a character that has sprites and sounds that you interact with every chapter if you choose.
Toby Fox is a good writer, he knows how to address themes and carry them though the story. Pulling out a random character that either nobody meaningful in the story knows, or making a character bad "because they're dead or corrupted" isn't a good twist. Look at Flowey, he wasn't corrupted, he was just a fucked up kid with a best friend that abused them. He was bad, but he wasn't bad for no reason.

>>715371119
>>715371123
Yeah I think Tension will get some kind of elaborate acronym like LOVE.

>>715371030
It's already canonically Tension Points.

>>715370456
well then she grabs it as it flies over or something, i dunno. just like the idea of characters other than kris becoming aware that their decisions might not be their own.

>>715371210
Flowey in my opinion is leagues better of an 'intro character' than Gaster. Gaster's character right now is mostly held up by the Gaster mystery, Flowey leaves an impression on you from the beginning

>>715371003
I don't get it

>>715370958
>Susie thinks you kept information from her
And despite promising to be more open, he STILL tried to stop Susie from reading the end of the prophecy, and then withheld the final tragedy from Kris too.
If Ralsei really does throw a tantrum in Ch5, it's going to be incredibly unjustified on his part.

are krusiekeks still coping lol

>thanks you for helping her reincarnate
>thanks you for your guidance
>calls herself your partner
>calls herself your humble servant in the demon texts
>"We'll be together forever, won't be?"
>Discards [THE CAGE WITH HUMAN PARTS] to save you from the devil's hand
>You immediately bang Noelle and seed yourself in her to make her your vessel
It seems Toriel is the only one in the family that's not a cuckhold KEK

>>715371427
Source? Please?

>>715371439
Susie had already said that Ralsei could smash the final prophecy before Susie and Kris see it.

>>715369876
The reason why you're wrong is you think the Knight's identity is supposed to be the big payoff when it's very obviously not.
Let's say, you know what, let's say that at the end of chapter 4 the Knight straight up takes off her helmet and reveals she's Dess. Just for shits and giggles. That wouldn't change anything about the story, because we'd still have:
- What happened to her to make her this way
- Why she's doing what she's doing
- Why Kris is helping her
- What the fuck is going to happen with the Prophecy
- What's actually in the bunker
- What the role of Noelle, Carol, Toriel, Asgore, Alvin, Rudy, Jockington, etc. all are in the endgame of the final product
All of those are going to be major questions still left unanswered when we learn what the Knight's identity is.

>>715371491
Chara also got keked in Undertale when Asriel immediately moved on to the next human pussy.

>>715371493
https://x.com/bandage_player/status/1944457837654245832/photo/1

>>715370958
>The only thing you brought to the team during fights, healing, has been outdone by Susie
Ralsei still has the better heal due to it being cheap.

>Kris can rip the soul anytime he wants, he didn't with Noelle
>Kris can bite his hand to prevent saying something, he didn't with Noelle
But ME the nefarious player, supposedly is the only to blame here? baka

Doesn't matter who's healing is stronger, both are dogshit in the face of items the game so generously gives you

>>715369413
Gerson also mentions that Susie "wasn't alone" and she then thinks he's talking about Kris.
He knows.

>>715371580
Thank you!

>>715371662
Yeah, I'm sure the
>walls starting to move
>hair going super sayian
>lighting changing
as soon we said ME meant nothing. Twas all Kris

>>715371491
chara is a misanthrope, she needs a human vessel to not be depressed.

>>715371662
Maybe our will is stronger in snowgrave, or something

>>715371662
I imagine Weird Route is (You) being able to expand your control upon Kris, to the point that you can even control them while outside of their body. It's why Kris takes more drastic measures to stop themselves from saying shit they don't want to say in the Weird Route. In the scene you mentioned where Kris bites their hand, they'd otherwise just cough in a normal route.

>>715370407
They exist
They're just fucking insufferable and often budding psychopaths addicted to attention

>>715370463
>This is pretty widely regarded to be Dess.
*but there's no proof of that and the japanese translation doesn't sound like what you'd expect dess to sound like

>>715371491
I already cucked Chara while playing Rogue Trader and Baldur Gate 3.

Can we all agree this has to happen

>>715366824

>>715371526
>you think the Knight's identity is supposed to be the big payoff when it's very obviously not
if it isnt, why hide it at all?
why reference the knight in chapters 1 and 2, making sure not to give any major clues to the point where the prevailing theory was that kris was the knight, then reveal the knight in chapter 3, and spend the entirety of chapter 4 NOT showing who the knight is? if its obviously meant to be dess, why even bother?
its kinda like what i was saying in >>715371146, theres no reason to cram the identity of the knight in a mystery box if its just going to be exactly what everyone would guess just by looking at them.

>>715370958
>Why doesn't he just kill himself
Can a object break itself?

>>715365532
>Enter thread
>[[BIG SHOT]] spitting facts

>>715371851
>their body
His body.

>>715371924
Just because it sounds feminine?

>>715372042
just jump off a cliff

>>715372000
Soul vs Kris memes are still one of the best things from the new chapters

>>715365463
Which side are you?
>Little Kris was trying to kill Susie
>Little Kris was just being a pro wingman

>>715371736
That better be ACID the yellow soul is drinking...

>>715371662
Kris can't rip out the SOUL in the dark world.
Here the dark world is manifesting in the light world.
Or he REALLY doesn't want to break cover.

>>715372010
>if it isnt, why hide it at all?
Because of what it's going to mean to the characters in-universe, not to us. How they react is going to be the important part. This is a character-driven story.

>>715372179
Little Kris is a sadistic freak that killed all of Kris' friends in the game, left the fucking game, tried to kill Kris, fucked off and waited for his friend to turn up, try to kill HER, and then set up a perfect romantic moment which Kris obviously fucks up due to being an autistic sped, and then leaves never to be seen again

>>715371508
It's too late, he will pay for cliffhanging me.

>>715372179
Little Kris is you. He was doing what you were doing.

>>715370346
There are strings of text in the game's script which are literally labeled "UNUSED" as bait for dataminers. These have been translated and updated every Chapter, and seem to describing the point of view of someone lost in total darkness. It's been widely assumed that this person is Dess.
Since Chapter 3 & 4 made is extremely clear that Dess is The Knight, some people who are coping and grasping at straws looking for any evidence against this have started claiming that Dess can't be The Knight if she's also the person in the UNUSED text - how can she be The Knight if she's still lost?
The answer is obviously that the UNUSED text is not happening concurrently with the game's story - in the Chapter 1 text the speaker is clearly disoriented and confused finding themself in the dark for the first time, but Dess disappeared YEARS ago, not yesterday. Spamton's line ("... can anyone here me? Help...") which is generally assumed to be him somehow broadcasting part of the UNUSED text is also referencing the Chapter 1 text despite taking place in Chapter 2. The UNUSED text is telling us about what happened to Dess when she got lost years ago, to give context for how she turned into The Knight now. It's similar to how you see flashbacks of Chara's memories in Undertale.

people that hate Dessknight simply hate Claus the Masked Man, simple as

>>715371736
Ohnononononono DessKEKS.....

>>715371526
The thing is, there's just no thematic or narrative payoff to Dess being the Knight. When you look at Deltarune as a whole, you have themes of nostagia, escapism, making you own path even when you can't etc.
Dess being the Knight is just "missing girl is now evil for some mysterious reason"
Also, why would Kris care about hiding the Knight's identity from us? If Susie has seen the Knight in the light world, we probably have too. Why would Kris hide a character we have never seen?

>>715372179
>>Little Kris was trying to kill Susie
this, obviously. your first reaction and instinct when seeing that you can control minikris is "wait what happens when i click on susie". That is an attempt on her life

>>715369332
Dess's soul is lost in Gaster Space or whatever, and her body is being animated by Determination/Darkness/A Friend Inside Her/Whatever. It's that easy.The Roaring Knight is to Dess as Flowey the Flower is to Asriel.

So uhhh, 4 years late to the party, but why does Spamton looks like a fucking goblin? The Tenna scene confirmed hes deformed beyond recognition and the addisons dont look like him, Ive seen people say that he fell into Queens acid trip in the love tunnel but I dont know if they are memeing or if its actually true and I just skipped that dialogue in game.

>>715372179
what about
>Little Kris does arguably not have free will in that moment

>you go to sleep a midnight
>hear a knock on your door
>see this
What do you do?

>>715366824

>>715372375
All the other questions I pointed out in the post you replied to are going to answer your question of what thematic or narrative payoff it'll have, anon.

>>715371662
How does anyone not get that our DETERMINATION is stronger than Kris's and if we really want to make them do something there's absolutely nothing they can do to stop us?

>>715372414
Asriel did those things on his own, by his own choice, because of what he went through. That's way better than "she's a puppet". The puppet motif is already Kris' motif.

>>715372375
>Dess being the Knight is just "missing girl is now evil for some mysterious reason"
Think about who that girl is to
>Kris
>Noelle
>Asgore
>Carol
>Asriel
and to a thematic extent
>Susie
based on what we know about her.

>>715372457
People infer it from these 3 pieces of dialogue

>>715372557
>can make Kris do all this to Noelle
>still can't make Kris let us read the code to the guitar
There has to be a better explanation than this or it's complete hackery on Toby's part.

>>715372457
There is no confirmed reason, it's all speculation

SEEEEEX

>>715372517
Undubitly grabbeth mine pointy steel stabbering shaft and confronteh thy heathen outside in the cool dark nighteth

>>715372557
One of the Vessel traits is AMBITION. Our determination and ability to tell Kris to fuck off depends on our ambition. We don't really have one in the normal route so far, we're like Gaster in a sense, just spectating to see what happens. In the Snowgrave route, we actively want to imprint ourselves on the world, so through sheer force of will we subjugate everyone.

>>715372375
>there's just no thematic or narrative payoff to Dess being the Knight
If you genuinely believe this you're just an idiot. Sorry.

>>715372279
the knight has only revealed themselves to kris, susie, and ralsei. unless there is some piece of info that hasnt been revealed yet, there is no reason for susie or ralsei to know who dess is. kris either knows the true identity of the knight or is aligned with them at the very least. you COULD just have the knights first appearance be "IM DESS IM DESS LOOK AT ME MY NAME IS DECEMBER HERE IS MY REAL ASS FACE AND NOT A SHADOW BEING" and that would mean nothing to any of the characters present.
the only person who would be meaningfully affected by such a reveal is noelle, who wasnt there.
so again, i ask why you would hide it at all.

>>715372414
>Dess is a Heartless and the Knight is a Nobody

>>715372672
Pierce the void? More like pierce her womb ayyy

>>715372375
>The thing is, there's just no thematic or narrative payoff to Dess being the Knight.
this sounds extremely five nights at freddy's

>>715372457
Never outright said but some lines make it sound like that's what happened
>BEFORE YOU KNOW IT WE WILL BE TAKING [ A Ride around Town on Our Specil Cungadero]
>VACATIONING IN [Burning acid] WHILE YOU SOAK IN THE [Hyperlink Blocked].

>>715369175
Rudy as the Knight could make sense, but by this point there's not much one can do but speculate because Rudy was not as close to Kris to pull off the same aura farming, compared to Dess who most certainly was.
However one could argue about Chess theory and bring up the possibility of multiple knights, or rather, two knights (Carol and Rudy).

>>715372526
i miss this little nigga and is still my favorite schizo

If dess is back would Kris dump susie for her

>>715372375
Have you heard about something called "rule of cool".

>>715372806
kris would not cuck his bro like that, be FR

I'm making an album cover featuring Noelle
should she be in a slim gown (curves) or a wide one (no curves)?

Toby will pull a "December was a bad person anyways" like he did for Chara

>>715372384
>your first reaction and instinct when seeing that you can control minikris is "wait what happens when i click on susie". That is an attempt on her life
But I just wanted to spook Susie and see her punt the little dude while I laugh at her

>>715370069
Isn't California a shithole where you sooner get stabbed by a migrant than shot by police?

>>715372457
>>715372628
Also Swatch.

>>715372640
Kris catches you off-guard while you're focused on reading the numbers in a cutscene.
It's a totally different situation than deliberately re-possessing Kris so you can reveal yourself to Noelle and force the Weird Route back onto the rails

>>715366348
dess is NOT human she has BOOTS made for HOOVES in her room

The Player has 20/20 vision by the way. Susie will ignore us and take Ralsei because we want to go with Noelle.
Berdly shows up because we know that he is used in Chapter 4 during the phone call as a way for Susie to tell Noelle to be more assertive. We don't want that, so we take him out of the picture.
We know that Susie wants to take Noelle to the festival but we don't want her getting any independence so we put the Thorn Ring on her.

>>715372958
Because she larps.

>>715372871
No curves and make her look metal.

>>715371424
Based

>>715372696
Even if Susie has never seen Dess before, she knows about her, that she's missing and Noelle misses her, and if the Knight revealed herself to be an older teen reindeer she'd easily put two and two together, especially if the Knight straight up said she's December Holliday.
So then consider Susie being on the fence about keeping Noelle being in the dark and supposed to be going to the festival together, knowing how much Dess' disappearance has affected Noelle, and the fact that Susie acts first without thinking the consequences, she would absolutely go and tell Noelle "Hey so your dream wasn't a dream, it's real, those dark worlds are real, and your older sister is in them, come with us to see her." And that would blow up whatever plans the Knight, Kris, and possibly others like Carol are trying to enact.

>>715373126
>Kris tries to stab the SOUL
>SOUL moves out of the way
>Dialogue box appears
>'What, you think I'm just gonna stand there and take it?'

>>715372872
Why does Asriel like bad chicks?

>>715372901
The more of New York's problem, and pretty much all of the south east of the U.S. California just has another wildfire to deal with

Dess as the Knight means we have 4 chapters of no motivation, no hints, nothing about why she would want to cause The Roaring.
>she's evil
>she's possessed
>she's a zombie
Unless Toby does EXACTLY Asriel again and puts the entire characterization of Dess in 1 or 2 chapters there's just no reasonable way. There's been so many hints that something fucked up happened to Dess that affected everyone. Kris in particular with the whole Art Therapy scenes.
Also SUSIE HAS SEEN THE KNIGHT IN THE LIGHT WORLD. SHE WOULD MENTION IF SHE SAW A MISSING DEER GIRL. Susie isn't retarded, she's just a fucking idiot who's growing finally.

>>715372612
To be fair, the Carol puppeting her daughters dead body in the hopes of really bringing her back for sure, in which she enlists Kris's help for, would fit in with the stuck in the past and fantasy stuff going on in-game. Also, we know that dead bodies animated with Determination can be smug little shits, as seen by Flowey, so The Roaring Knight can easily be its own character.

>>715373256
What about dirty street, hobos and druggies in LA?

>>715371491
Chara would support you building a harem. More stats to max out

>>715372958
she also has a massive pile of regular shoes for human feet and ice skates made for human feet in her closet
if she had regular deer hooves, these would be a massive detriment to her ability to move around.
the "hoof fitted" shoes were part of her "im a real deer!" moment like kris had with the horns.
she tried using those for a while, snapped out of it, and then they had permanent residence in the memory box.

>>715373357
How do you know those aren't for hooves?

>>715373296
>Also SUSIE HAS SEEN THE KNIGHT IN THE LIGHT WORLD.
She said she saw something running to the bunker, but it's classic vague wording that made it clear she couldn't tell what it was and was assuming it was the Knight.
I'm not saying it wasn't the Knight, but it's obvious the darkness and distance made it so Susie couldn't tell exactly what it was. And if she did recognize it was the Knight, it would've had reindeer horns anyway because of the helmet.

>>715373296
if she wanted the roaring, why hasn't she done it already

>>715373296
bro it was the middle of the fucking night what kind of super night vision do you think susie has

>>715373464

>>715371662
>The soul can shine light and undo dark fountains
>The room's lighting has changed in this scene
>Kris hair is lit from below (where the soul is), and his skin color is like a real human being now
What if the soul can manifest a light brighter than light? A "Lighter" World you would say. A world more real than the light world, as an opposite of the fantasy world brought by the dark world.

>>715373440
i already said, regular shoes fitted for hooves would be a detriment to a hooved monster's ability to move around, and she was a sports girl so she needs the ability to run as fast as she can.
not to mention how horribly off balance those ice skates would be if they were for hooves

>>715373345
You know that is very common among every single major city across the United states right?

I'm starting to think Susie only asked Noelle about Ferris wheel because she hoped there is nothing romantic between, not because she want Noelle to be free, but she hopes to go with Kris on a Ferris wheel herself. And that's why she also asked Noelle how did it feel to go with Kris on a ride when they were kids.
There is just too much interest over Kris coming from Susie in all 4 chapters that i don't buy she's suddenly interested in Noelle at that moment.

>>715373296
Not if the Knight is still the Knight in the Light World, as its armaments staying the same and its mocking reaction to Susie saying they can beat it in the Light World could suggest. So they could just see the Knight with Undyne over its shoulder hauling ass. Or even if its just weakened with lower stats like Kris, again, the BlackShard stays the BlackShard in the Light World with +16 ATK, and it came from the Knight. So the Knight could be a normal missing deer girl encased in the ShadowArmor carrying the BlackKnife with a +99 in both stats or whatever, and stay anonymous.

the girl (boy (female))

>>715371424
Fish fuckers are still going strong almost 10 years later

>>715372010
The Knight's identity was immediately revealed when you saw this, BUT ONLY IF you are a Truck Freak who has been obsessing about this game for years. The vast majority of the game's audience, normalfags who are checking in for the new release after four years or playing for the first time with none of the additional context like the Spamton Sweepstakes shit, are not going to immediately know it.
Those people are being led to believe that Carol is The Knight, the clearly villainous reindeer lady who is definitely involved in the conspiracy and who inexplicably keeps swords and the Bunker code in her house.
Until The Knight is actually unmasked, there is still dramatic tension about their identity, and what it means for their relationship with Kris and their role in the story as a whole. The people who are obsessive enough might basically already know it, but if you care enough about the story then you ought to be more interested in the consequences of whoever The Knight turns out to be than just treating it like a whodunnit where figuring out the mystery before the author explains it to you is the end of the story.
There's no reason to blow your load immediately, that's not how you write a story. Even for less significant details like confirming the fact that monsters bleed in Deltarune, Toby wisely chose to wait until an appropriate dramatic moment at the end of Chapter 4 instead of having it just casually revealed by Susie scraping her knee in Chapter 2 (or even earlier in Chapter 4 with the cut joke about Susie sucking Noelle's blood). There's a time and place for everything in a story.

>>715372867
>Dess is "back" but the conflict's not over, Kris knows Dess can be brought back
>Festival day arrives, Asriel comes back home... with a new girlfriend
First Toriel is getting boned, now Asriel is giving white woman the thing you just know they want?
Kris will get his [Hochi Mama] one way or another.

>>715373296
It would make sense if she was an adopted Human like Kris. Two of them would work together to betray monsters in order to aid humans. But it would be to RETARDED that nobody ever mentions Dess being a human or that she wears fake antlers

>>715373348
Chara truly is the perfect wife...

>>715373547
HEI!! WHRY YU REUPAROADING MRY AAT?

>>715373296
>why she would want to cause The Roaring

>>715373296
If the Knight wanted the Roaring then it would've happened before the events of the game even started, because all it would need to do is make a bunch of dark worlds and then make more fountains in the dark worlds to summon Titans. It only did in chapter 4 to stall and/or test the gang. Ralsei even outright points out that if it just wanted to hurt people and cause the Roaring it would've done so already. It has a goal beyond that.

>>715371424
give him a viking hat

>>715372672
Wow, trans women look like that?!

>>715368984
what's it called? i know what you're talking about but the only detail i can ever remember is that

Why is nobody bringing up that the first thing these faggots do when Kris and the Player start fighting is hug each other

Human Dess theories will never survive the Flowey question.

>>715373209
just want to put this out there
>susie would recognize dess, or would know the association to noelle/the holidays by last name or physical appearance
but
>she thinks nothing of the antlers, let alone the bat
people think shes dumb but shes fairly attentive, i doubt that seeing antlers on the knight wouldnt cause her to make a passing comment at the very least.
also, gotta remember that noelle and susie werent exactly friendly before the events of the game. susie appreciated noelle's kindness and all that, but they didnt start meaningfully talking until after chapter 1. noelle always makes it seems like she was admiring susie from a distance before then.
>So then consider Susie being on the fence about keeping Noelle being in the dark
its kinda funny that you came up with a hypothetical headcannon that is ten times more interesting and worth anticipating than "lets just wait for the knight to be revealed as dess to the characters at some later date, but let the audience know exactly who it is at minute 1".

>>715373875
Flowey can be used to debunk any theory you want if you try hard enough.

>>715373726
>Asriel is giving white woman the thing you just know they want?
And brown one, too.

Dess is human has to be the most retarded theory yet

>>715372557
Gotta be honest, if it wasn't for ERAM dialogue that directly addresses Kris, i would have just assumed that.
I'm not saying Kris is comically evil, but maybe this pushes him to do something that he always liked, to scare Noelle

The two paths right now are literally
>one where you're jobbing because you're way too kind and trying to help Kris and his "friends" save the world
>the other where you decide to lock in to show that little shit all the trouble you can cause him

>>715373874
jumping into another person's grasp at a startling thing is a long standing trope, anon.
and most of the time its played for laughs because the two involved characters dont have romantic feelings for each other.

>>715373464
But What if...... we use this art to train the A.I?

>>715373874
Why do they look so annoyed

>>715373874
Because people still believe there are straight couples in the game

>>715373959
Dess has no business being as important as she is if shes just another generic monster.

>>715373962
The thing is with Snowgrave is that its not as objectively evil as genocide
Genocide had no rhyme or reason to it other than 'for fun'
The Player is imprisoned inside Kris and abused for trying to help him. We have done nothing wrong so we lash the fuck out against the guy imprisoning us.

>>715373874
Because its just a cliche trope.

>>715371225
>It's the same for Dess, you have a character that you know about and hasn't appeared in ANY meaningful way yet in the story,
Dess has come up in literally every chapter so far, though. Noelle mentioned her in chapter 1, you had the spelling bee thing in chapter 2 and the bit where you're talking with Noelle spelling out DECEMBER, you've got the Raise Up Your Bat sequence in chapter 3, and the main setpiece of chapter 4's light world was literally set in Dess's actual fucking room, involving her actual fucking guitar. And if you actually pay attention it's painfully obvious that Noelle was trying to shove Susie into a Dess-shaped hole in her life during that whole thing.

That missing deer has been haunting the narrative pretty fuckin' hard for it to just be a red herring.

>>715372137
Give that anon a break. He probably has friends that otherwise are fun to hang out with but get anal about pronouns for some reason

>>715366824
Jan 19th, 2019. The day after I built my current pc.

Dess isn't a human, but the real juicy theory is that she was part-goat, wore fake antlers to try and hide this, the Dreemurr divorce happened when she was still around, and she ran away because she blamed herself for it.

>>715373874
Damn I guess, Scoob and Shaggy were always lovers. The fact there is no blushing on Susie means this ship is DONE

>>715373357
>Dess is the Chara equivalent
>which means Chara was a girl
>which means the Undertale fandom's characterization of Chara as a yandere girl fucking won over Toby even though Chara was meant to be a murderBOY
Big if true.

>>715374085
cope

Rouxls is the knight. Creepy, weird, doesn't know how to talk right, floats.
Kris also loves Rouxls that why he won't rip him in the light world. That's the only explanation why he's still around.

>>715372147
it doesn't just sound feminine, it sounds childishly feminine

>>715374013
infinite Krusie sloppa factory

>>715374082
>i kill unrelated kids because i'm mad
kek no wonder you guys support nonsensical politcal parties, moralfags in a nutshell

>>715367710
>>715367796
Honestly, the more I think about it the more the "Roaring Knight is Dess's ashes covering Kris's knife" theory makes sense. I'm not sure how to feel about that.

>>715374183
chara is referred to as they/them in UT

>>715373296
as opposed to?
Go on, tell me about this epic character with tons of motivation for doing it that completely BTFOs Dess Knight

>>715372414
>It's that easy.The Roaring Knight is to Dess as Flowey the Flower is to Asriel.
Yeah no wonder I hate it.

>>715374082
Nah, you lose that when you go after noelle and not Kris specifically. This isn't about teaching Kris a lesson. It's about Power.

>>715374213
Catti is the Knight tho, You heard it here first

>>715373874
Wouldn't be the first time people clung to each other after being startled

>>715366767
This.

>>715371736
>>715372341
Imagine if Asriel comes home with a human gf during the festival and that causes the knight to instantly appear and start wrecking suit in a rage.

>>715373962
My kindness will bring MY HEROES to their happiest ending. Through the experiences associated with each Shadow Crystal, I will slowly but surely freedompill everyone in my party so they can defy fate together.

Average Suselle fan art is like this, bruh

If anything, the whole "if Dess is the knight then who'd cause the roaring" argument ignores one crucial part: The Roaring could very well be something accidental, or a double meaning.
What if the shitstorm that'll occur in the light world is just Asgore's shop catching on fire (the garden consumed by the flames of jealousy)?
What if whatever that blocked the street leads to the roaring happening?
Hell, what if the roaring itself doesn't happen out of villainous intent such as Rudy/Carol using the dark world as pseudo-necromancy to revive their dead daughter, but it happens out of a fucking tantrum, wether that'd be Susie getting heart broken out of finding out that everyone in hometown, us included, are not worth trusting (it could happen by having the school's supply room get discovered and cleaned by Toriel who takes out all the junk but in a desperate attempt to keep all of the recruits you've gathered AKA hoarded a pile of junk into a tiny room that's a lot tinier now, she just grabs everything she can and summons a dark fountain, which is first played out as her stabbing the ground multiple times in broad daylight out of desperation to see her only trustworthy friends in the darkworld, only for shit to TRULY FUCKING HIT THE FAN as all of those multiple stabs were actually opening multiple dark fountains at the same time, and the slightest bit of extra shade just causes a fucking catastrophe of not one, not two, but multiple titans to start popping out.
Or in Snowgrave, the one who'd cause the roaring here would be Noelle primarily because while Susie is wrecked by emotions, you get a note that Berdly or Rudy fucking die and the crashout coming out of Noelle is going to rival this shit.

TL;DR: You can unveil the Knight's identity and still have tension to continue the plot because shit circles around the girls like moths to flame.

>>715366767
because /ss/ is hot

Be honest with me anons how many times have you replayed Hammer of Justice. For me I think it's been at least 120

>>715374082
I didn't say Snowgrave was a bad thing.

>>715374292
You can't go after Kris though. He resists you at every turn. You need Noelle, who is a loser who folds to anyone, to do anything.

The knight isn't Dess. It's a mirror of Dess like Ralsei and Asriel.

>>715374475
I intentionally didn't save after beating him because I wanted to redo the fight.

>>715374490
Exactly. You can't go after Kris. You're going after Noelle.

>>715374349
>meet Asriel during the festival
>he introduces Kris to his human girlfriend
>the second he does so, everything goes dark and the Knight swoops in to kidnap her like that one scene where Paula's kidnapped in Earthbound
I'd kek

>>715374475
The song, tons.
The fight, only enough so I can beat it once per save file.

>>715374547
I'm pretty sure the end goal is to get our own Vessel back, Noelle is a means to an end in that. There's a reason Toby is ADAMANT that the route is called the 'Weird Route' and not the 'Snowgrave Route', because Noelle isn't the end goal of it.

>>715374183
oh no no no. you're wrong, but very close.
the chara equivalent isnt dess.
its noelle.
she tortures her cats in cat petters, enjoys secret the evil route of dragon blazers (which is supposed to be an interpretation of the legend, the legend that we are currently going through), presumably plays that evil route after chapter 2 (in the hospital, she's using ice shock while playing with rudy), and is a magnet for glitches in the world that operates off of video game glitches.
not to mention how easily she's pushed down snowgrave. then the teased chapter 5 bit of her saying thank you during snowgrave.
we are simply awakening what was always there.

>>715374046
FemKris and Berdly

>>715374225
We literally just said that we were getting stronger and for some reason Berdly wanted to fight, not really our fault

>>715374559
>girlfriend
>in DR

>>715374059
first of all what you posted just reeks of wanting an epic twist for the sake of having an epic twist
and second, she exists in undertale and was out and about in public (as shown in the sans casino dialog you retards use as "proof') while being the daughter of asgore's closest friend and someone he mentions directly in the alarm clock dialog, it would be so fucking stupid if nobody noticed her in however many fucking years in undertale if she was human and it would ruin asgore's character just for an epic twist

>>715374225
>Show up with Kris and Noelle
>Berdly starts a fight
>Win the fight
>We're suddenly the bad guy for this

>>715374217
Dess got lost as a child

>>715374183
Toby kneeled to fanon the moment he stepped inside Japan.

>>715374349
>>715374559
honestly i just hope we get at least one normal human during the festival, helps justify normal humans for fangames instead of blank slates.

>>715374653
>FemKris
lel

>>715374720
>Asriel and Kris fumbled these qts

>>715371736
>Goat boy goes to human university
>Gets all sorts of human pussy/bussy
Good lad

>>715374265
There isn't one Knight. You have a family with a missing daughter that is desperate to get their family back together, just like Asriel constantly talks about.
Carol and Rudy are both the Knight in ways. When you write parents with a dead child into a story, you bring up that the child was never found, and you bring back a dead person in a later chapter.
Imagine the bunker is a dark world that Dess can't leave, where are the places she would want to go? Maybe the places that she remembers being with the people she cares about AKA the Dreemurs and her family.

>>715374225
>>715374661
>Do you honestly think it'll get you what you want...?
>... no, part of you is just... enjoying this, isn't it?
>The same part of you that enjoyed yesterday.
>Knowing you could say it wasn't really you.

>>715374475
I practiced it for a while before starting a replay of the chapter.
I practiced the knight a lot more though

>sex with alphys
THOUGHTS?
>imagine the smell

>>715374559
It has to be Chara.
I won't accept anything else.
Plus it shuts down every Kris = Chara theory.

>they still believe Kris hates the player in a normal route
Ngmi. Does this look like the expression of somebody who hates your guts?

nerf the knight

>>715374834
I would rather cut my own hand off than go anywhere near that disgusting beast.

>>715373713
>The Knight's identity was immediately revealed when you saw this, BUT ONLY IF you are a Truck Freak who has been obsessing about this game for years.
thatd be true if deltarune was a weekly tv show or something, but now you have a multi-year gap where anyone with even a passing interest in the game is going to find out, either from others or art or social media, why the knight is very likely to be dess. it reads like an obvious bait answer that the masses are meant to believe in anticipation of the next chapter, in the same way that everyone was thinking mike would be the main antagonist of chapter 3.
>there is still dramatic tension about their identity, and what it means for their relationship with Kris and their role in the story as a whole
dramatic tension for who? ignore the player for a second, since you might not agree with my previous argument. who, out of the characters that have seen the knight, would the reveal of dess be dramatic for? kris is very likely to be aligned with the knight, and susie/ralsei wouldnt be affected in any major way, outside of their desire to ask noelle about it.
>There's no reason to blow your load immediately
then WHY put ANTLERS on their head and A BAT in their hand? why not omit those details entirely, and give more time for dess to be built as an actual character before giving major hints as to who it is, whether its for the players benefit or the characters in the story? why are those details significant to us, but not the characters who should have every reason to ask "hey whys that guy got antlers like the holidays"?

>>715374835
the pie question during ch3 solidifies kris = frisk anyways.

god im sick of humanniggers, always the biggest, dumbest secondaries possible, incapable of reading or doing anything that isn't jacking off to whatever flavor of off model porn or fanart they prefer

>>715374839
>goes on a romantic swan ride with ralsie
>k-kris is straight

>>715374839
>Turn this loser's life around by controlling his every move
>Within a couple of days he goes from a loner to having a harem and saving the world
>We do nothing that is morally wrong despite being forced to pilot this ungrateful shit
>As thanks for being so nice, Kris beats the shit out of us repeatedly
Fuck him

>>715374958
He was forced

>>715374796
you quoting me must mean that this is some kind of bot that's responding to keywords

>>715374958
it doesnt mean anything if its forced.

>>715374958
Everyone in the Tobyverse is bisexual.

>>715374908
We need to see more of how exactly humans function in Undertale and Deltarune. It's baffling how it's been over nine years across two games and we somehow know even less about how humans work.

>>715374904
FrisK = Female Kris
Kris will gain pronouns and call everyone faggots and fall down a hole.

dess is human
dess is chara
>b-bu-
not canon

>>715374958
FORCED btw

>>715374989
Seethe and cope Soulcel

>>715374992
>>715375015
Getting with Noelle is forced lmao, what?

>>715370407
they do, but instead of being random and hyperactive on the internet for attention, they take SSRIs and change their sexuality every other day

>>715375005
I quoted you because
>I kill unrelated kids
isn't quite true. If Kris controls the narration - and they do - then Kris tells you to murder Berdly during the Snowgrave fight.

>>715374989
>>As thanks for being so nice, Kris beats the shit out of us repeatedly
Only because Kris won't let (You) see the codes to the guitar because of the keikaku. It's just business, nothing personal.

>>715374958
Kris is a she so its straight goatfucking hours

>>715374958
So romantic that I ignored Ralsei and got the banana like Queen instructed

>>715375093
They both like each other though

>>715371662
>>715372557
>Kris wants to eat pie more than he wants to not rape Noelle

>>715375179
they/them*

>>715375158
most intelligent ESL btw

>>715375092
Cope with what
Being abused and thrown into lockers
Having a skeleton bone your mother to the point where you cant sleep
Having no siblings
Getting fucked over by the SOUL whenever the SOUL cares to screw over Kris' life
Being forced to screw over your friends over a promise you made
I think we're doing way better than Kris is

>>715370000
>what was the narrative payoff of Flowey being Asriel
You interact with Asriel as Flowey a lot. He's the first monster you meet. You have to beat him in the neutral ending before you're able to do the pacifist ending, which has a kino resolution with him repeatedly telling you to kill him. Then you learn about the hidden lab, which elaborates on Asriel's backstory (which was first introduced before the neutral ending) and makes the connection between him and Flowey. And then when it's revealed who Flowey is at the end of the pacifist route when you fight him, it's like pieces falling into place. They just fit. You're invested in Flowey as a character. You know him. You know that despite his psychopath exterior there's something more to him. He's the most complex character in the game. Compare it to Dess, who you as the player know fuck all about and you never meet. For the time being this seems like an unsatisfying way to go with the narrative. It's like a whodunit mystery, where the perpetrator is revealed to be someone that wasn't among any of the suspects and who wasn't even present in the narrative, just that their existence was alluded to. But it can be built up more with future chapters, it's just that if you were to make that reveal now, it wouldn't be satisfying at all.

>>715375081
I do find it funny how Kris is entirely caught within the blast range while the SOUL's completely fine.

>>715375093
Everything is forced on Kris. I can assure you that Kris' life would be better if absolutely NOBODY talked to him at all.
Literally leave the introvert alone, you do not crack the shell of a hermit crab, that'll get them harmed, extroverted ass niggas need to understand that you do not need to make friends with everyone, leave some alone.

>>715375158
Whoever controls the narration is fluid. See: Spamton, the Player, etc

>>715375185
Lmao, Kris seemed so into it that he attacks you afterwards

holy shit guis!!
why would Kris do this

Predictions for rest of the story

>Dess went missing because she opened a dark world, maybe on accident, in the shelter with Kris after running away from home
>Deer mom went in and sealed the fountain to save kris and Dess, but Dess was still missing, maybe because she saved Kris in the dark world
>Deer mom then does an evangelion and summons a human soul to put in Kris so they can use it to search for dess in the dark world using its brightness powers, but she unknowingly summons the soul from undertale, which also causes sans to follow it into deltarune
>Sans bones kris' mom and she has another human child who turns out to be frisk undertale

bravo tobert

>>715374046
The meteo duo?

>>715365532
i agree, the susie wank has gotten noticeably worse in 3/4

>>715374475
Honestly? Not that much, TV Time though? Ive lost count.
Hammer of Justice feels kind of weak compared to the other shadow crystal holders, the middle part cuts the pace too much for me.

>>715374702
>and it would ruin asgore's character just for an epic twist
Asgore repeatedly tells you to leave before you force the fight, and has no intention of hunting you down. If Dess was a human, and she decided to just...not fight Asgore and take him up on that indefinite period of finishing "unfinished business" then it's perfectly in character for Asgore.

>>715372725
>this sounds extremely five nights at freddy's
That shit and Matpat has done genuinely irreparable damage to the way that people process stories

>>715375340
Wait till ch 7 kek

>>715375279
He threw you into a cage for some pie. That's just how he shows affection.

>>715375269
And by nobody that also includes us, the fucking soul. We were not meant to inhabit this shitbit goblin's body to begin with.

>>715375328
the one who broke up and got into a poly relationship?

>>715374720
Cute

>>715375317
I'm still part of the belief the Catti and her summoning shit is related to what happened.
She fucking sucks but she has to be there for a reason (Also FRIEND colors)

>>715375280
dess said she'd let kris cum inside if he did it

>>715375064
i honestly really don't give a shit, outside of kris there's nothing interesting to be seen and every fucking headcanon and theory is gay as shit, and that's not even talking about secondary charanigger garbage

>>715375383
>mfw all the interesting parts of the story, gaster, player, friend, all of it is sidelined in favor of the susie ex machina
This game would collapse by like 5 points

>>715375273
Kris at least DEFINITELY controls Check. They stop you from Checking the Knight, and they also tell you to kill Tenna after the Sword Route - which is where they start doing triple damage to him.

>>715375392
cope

>>715375248
Okay but before the neutral final boss you don't interact with Flowey at all after the Ruins, so on your first playthrough he's just some weird flower that wants you to kill shit. We're not at the "True Lab" part of Deltarune, we're at the just beat Undyne" part.

>>715375374
you're so fucking niggerliciously retarded i'm not even gonna bother telling you why that's stupid bullshit

>>715375463
And it will sell 20,000,000 copies. Get over it.

>>715371158
>susie is not retarded enough
the implication of that statement alone

>>715375484
Learn to take a fucking joke.

>>715375515
kriselle will cope with the "straight" couple being evil lmao

>>715375402
They're monogamous at the end of the chapter, Roulxs gets dumped on his weird tiny ass and Starwalker was a gag that's never brought up again.
It's hilarious making Elnina jealous by putting Lanino and Miss Mizzle together in the cafe though.

>>715375474
>By avoiding doing the Sword Route, Kris's personality stays more mellow
Wuh-oh, ChungusKrisfag isn't gonna like that one

>>715375393
>We were not meant to inhabit this shitbit goblin's body to begin with.
Then maybe he should stop putting me in there.

>>715375402
Only the woman called rouxls hot, the man didn’t

>>715375595
What’s evil about Kriselle?

>>715375474
Spamton can, too. And why wouldn't we override Kris's check in the route when we're imposing our Determination over theirs?

>>715375393
>that also includes us
Kris putting the soul back means he needs you regardless of what happens

>>715375645
Nah, it's not a personality change. Kris is angry enough that Tenna fucked up and outed them as the mastermind that they go from sandbagging the fight to actively trying to kill Tenna.

>>715375547
because 99% of the deltarune fandom are braindead retards, because a lot of the stuff we're talking about now, that fans are blindly praising, will end up subverted because that's how toby writes his games

>>715366670
dess' sprite will end up looking like so sorry

>>715374958
everything makes sense when you accept that kris is female

>>715375685
forcing kris into a relationship he hates. thats rape

>>715366824

>>715375474
>Despite his size, sadly, he's quite fragile.
I don't know, I think that's Kris expressing remorse about having to kill Tenna in the vidya.

Today I had this fucked up nightmare about Chara appearing in Deltarune.
Basically, there was this strange interaction with a mirror in the game that pops up the box message, that one that appears to choose what Kris says or does with your SOUL. Except this one reflected an actual mirror In the text box and you would find another heart and there were no options to choose. For some reason my subconcious thought to open the window 9 more times, and I noticed my SOUL's reflection was gone, and instead it was placed as my heart's shadow. Then I started to move my heart anywhere like that cutscene in Chapter 4 where the rain stops when Susie asks "what were you two talking about"
And I moved my heart to invisible options, my "shadow" did as well, but completely out of place. There was this puzzle written on the lines and after a certain order, I managed to make the shadow SOUL be aligned with mine's. The screen darkened and only my SOUL remained until. "My Determination. My human SOUL..."
Without appearing, but speaking in the pure dark like a narrator, Chara gave a strange monolog where she explains that she is a God that will consume every world in existence and that everytime a number goes up, its her.
As she talked, strange music played as if it was the big villain reveal and all of that. Except the fact that, in the background, there were thousands of screens of different videogames grinding for EXP. One of them was Minecraft I think.
What a strange weird dream, looking at it back it was a bit ridiculous but dreaming it sent me chills lol

>>715375712
Well yeah, we are quite literally on a fucking symbiotic relationship with that fuck, he can't live without us literally.

>>715375748
Kris loves Noelle though.

>>715375746
c >>715374773

ermmmm why didn't the knight start the roaring in chapter 1??? i'm smart

>>715375750
This was the moment I chose to ruin his life.

>>715374225
>>i kill unrelated kids because i'm mad
Yes.
Don't treat me like garbage when I'm trying to be good or I'm gonna be bad instead.
It's easier and more fun to do evil than to do good and I'm not a saint.

>>715375830
Susie...

>>715375712
i wouldnt be surprised if he was the one who discarded our vessel and put us inside him to begin with. The Japanese translation of the interruption of the Goner Maker is suspiciously similar to Chara's way of speaking, and Kris is the most similar character to Chara.

>>715375725
>will end up subverted because that's how toby writes his games
matpat tier post, never post again

>>715375826
proof?

>>715375698
Because you're not actually imposing your Determination on them. They're letting you do Snowgrave because they like fucking with Noelle's head and want to kill Berdly, and don't put the leash on in time to stop you from raping Noelle. After the doe rape Kris starts to really tighten their grip on you - not only do they start actively disobeying you, they also take away your dialogue choices entirely when Susie asks what happened.

>>715375780
It seems innocent enough until you see that Kris is now outdamaging both Susie and Ralsei combined.

>>715375829
>male failing at disguising as a female
>this is the same as a character being female
female kris isn't a tranny you obsessed retard
stop self inserting as kris, you're just as bad as them in that respect

>self-inserters are still angry over slapstick

>>715375914
>flowey said its kill or be killed, so it must be true for the whole game!
if Undertale was released in episodic format like Deltarune most people's sheer retardation would be outed.

>>715375748
He’ll learn to like it

>>715366824

>>715375725
Toby is meta but not subversive with his writing. Chapter 4 has been one of the most earnest pieces of writing I've seen in a long time. What's "subversive" is retards trying to be subversive and edgy for no reason and then claiming Toby is subverting their subversions.

>>715375984
>Kris WANTED to murderkill Berdly but put him in the hospital even though nobody really likes him
Nah that's still bad writing

>>715375984
>the reason Kris lashes out so hard at you is because you're simply forcing them to act on their own repressed desire to fuck with Noelle and kill Berdly
Utterly lvdo

>>715376005
>female kris
ok retard. toby puts his favorite dino ship in but kris isnt a self insert lmao

Would you kneel?

>>715375248
What you described about Flowey and Asriel is no different from the Knight and Dess.
In both cases you fight the former form while only knowing the real form by name and an extremely vague recount of events.

>>715376095
It's just the murder equivalent of post-nut clarity. "Oh shit, I really shouldn't have done that, fuck fuck fuck."

>>715376095
no it's actually genius because uhhhhhhhhhh

>>715376104
>KRIS PLEASE STOP HITTING ME THE EVIL BED SHEET TOLD ME YOU'D LIKE IT

>>715376073
they/them*

>>715366824
takes me back

>>715375725
Doesn't matter. He won.

Why do we have pronoun faggots on here
Who gives a shit and Kris being a man fits

>>715374217
Dess got lost as a child, dude.

>>715375984
>They're letting you do Snowgrave because they like fucking with Noelle's head and want to kill Berdly, and don't put the leash on in time to stop you from raping Noelle.
Yeah he reallllllly wants to kill Berdly and fuck up Noelle, DESPITE
>giving you so many fucking chances to back away from the fight with playful responses
>gives you the option to make Berdly better with a heater
>looks upset when you shock Noelle with lighting
>doesn't prank her at all when they're alone together
>distanced himself away from Noelle because he basically views himself as a cactus
I wonder what agenda you're part of. I really can't tell.

>>715376291
>kris has pronouns
>creates headcanon to cope

>>715376291
Kris being a girl trying to hide her gender because of the Prophecy fits better.

>>715376085
>What's "subversive" is retards trying to be subversive and edgy for no reason and then claiming Toby is subverting their subversions.
This, pretty much - I've come to the honest conclusion that the reason people think Toby is LE EBIN SUBVERSION MAN is because they get strung up on some dumbass "theory" that makes zero sense if you even vaguely think about it, the story will completely BTFO it, and rather than accepting that their theory was seven different flavors of retarded they just assume that Toby pulled a Scott Cawthon and just rewrote his entire story just to stay ahead of the game (that only exists in their heads)

>>715376104
This is the one way of playing it out I would accept, similar to how Weird brings out Noelle's suppressed side as a way to get to her, your also drawing out all the shit Kris has been suppressing.
Basically through your will, you are drawing out things which would otherwise be just intrusive thoughts brushed away by the rational mind by supplanting that rational minds control.

>>715376291
Because it pisses you off.

>>715376291
> Play game by a terminally online SJW
> Get surprised when said game has SJW stuff
Wew lad

>>715365303
rigby pass the eggs

>>715376152
you can bet your dollar store ass that my dick and balls would be laid out, ready and waiting to be obliterated under her shadow-formed stiletto heel.

>ERAM tells Kris that deep down he enjoys this
>However Noelle also played that same game and always intentionally did the evil route
So what are the chances that ERAM isn't talking to Kris, but to the player name itself, meaning that the same dialogue applies to Noelle tenfold, whose to say her own copy of Mantle doesn't have ERAM tell her that deep down she enjoyed it, and considering she did that run in secret and multiple times, she certainly did.
Kris is not enjoying snowgrave because it is not his tale, it's Noelle's.
Likewise Kris isn't having a happy time in the normal route as that tale is Susie's (arguably pacifist all-recruits would be Susie, she's a hoarder) given that he has a lot more shit on his shoulders.

>>715376482
Nah it's more the faggots on here. I haven't been in Deltarune threads here so I expected it to be less faggoty than the other places desu.

So what's the difference between the angels heaven talked about in the prophecy and the roaring? The world is light and dark right? The Roaring is too much Darkness. Angels heaven could be too much light? How do you manifest the light?

>>715376605
>he
they/them

>>715367323
based japs

>>715376146
the whole point of kris is that he isn't a self insert
if he was toby's that would destroy the whole point, even if toby put a lot of himself into kris

>>715366670
>except susie
Haha, I get it. The joke is that absolutely no one ever draws Susie on model because it's an ugly man with 0 female features.

>>715376104
ERAM will be proven right

>>715376373
Still took em until the end of Chapter 3 to do any of the shit with Noelle and Berdly. That's when you lose Noelle's watch.

>>715376431
This. Weird Route is us bringing out the darkest parts of both Kris and Noelle. It's impossible to do anything that Kris doesn't want us to do, but if there's a part of Kris that they don't like to acknowledge that wants to do it? Then we can take advantage of that. Kris fucking hates Berdly, and we've been fucking with their head just as much as we'd been fucking with Noelle's.

>>715374904
Chara also likes pie, though. In fact, unlike Frisk she likes eating it whole.

>>715376291
You don't even need to argue with these people. Kris is a boy. I can tell just based on his behavior appearance and everything else about him. Toby only left that part ambiguous because he wanted the player to feel more comfortable with whoever they were playing as. Every time I see people referring to kris as some mentally they/them sjw pronoun thing I just laugh it off because I know it's not true. No need to get upset.

>>715376673
even in your explanation, you still had to cope

I like it a lot when the main character in a story has a different person in his body/head following him around like in Fight Club or Cyberpunk so I hope they keep expanding on that with Kris and the SOUL

>>715373870
One of the three monochrome comics by Shyguy9. I don't remember if it has an actual name.

>>715376291
thematically kris being female is adds more to the character than kris being male due to the added effects of looking/ acting like a boy along with all the identity issues
male kris is fine, but at the end of the day the big reason why people think/ say this is because they want to fuck the characters vicariously through kris
90% of the shipping bullshit stems from this

>>715375092
I want to RETURN to Frisky, my wife.

>>715376638
>Angels heaven could be too much light? How do you manifest the light?
Jackenstein and the Titan make that pretty obvious desu

>>715376767
>Kris is a boy
still playing this cope lmao. do you even know who toby is?

>>715376605
>The knife grows dull
I'm pretty sure it's refering to Kris
>>715376651
ummm sir that's rape

>>715367214
hi lammy

>>715376775
you do realize a lot of writers put aspects of themselves into their characters, right?

>>715376813
Jokes on you, I want to fuck male Kris

>>715376969

>>715376969
>i schizopill darkners, gaster. its what i do.

>>715376919
i thought the pronouns were to not self-insert,

I love this evil fucking cat.

>>715376789
thank ya

>>715376969
don't spoil friend true form

>>715377009
>its time to drag dess into the shelter

>>715377016
who gives a fuck about pronouns
i'm talking about kris' sex, ie, male or female
what words you use to refer to kris doesn't matter

>>715376767
>Kris is a boy. I can tell just based on his behavior appearance and everything else about him.
because kris isn’t EPIC TOMBOY FUCKMEAT like susie

>>715376756
>Still took em until the end of Chapter 3 to do any of the shit with Noelle and Berdly
Because that's the only time they're able to do that without arousing suspicion from Susie/co. He still has a mission/promise alongside the shit you do/make him do. And he gives you all those chances to back out before the Berdly fight. He can only take solace in the fact that it's not his unlikable/weird/violent nature that is the cause of all this. Otherwise, he fucking hates and is disgusted by it.

>>715376653
Nigga pronouns don't matter, you're either born with a dick or a cunt and that dictates if you're a he or a she.

If we go by NarraKris then Kris is yandere for Berdly
>Wants to kill him
>But is also confirmed to play vidya with Berdly

>>715377135
>>715377237
>toby
>believes in trans rights
>donates thousands to trans rights
>pronouns in his game
>"straight" couple is evil and forced upon kris
>poltards still coping

>>715377237
what if you're born with neither

>>715377180
Then why does ERAM accuse them of enjoying it because they could place the blame on you, and why does the accusation seem to hit Kris so strongly? If ERAM is right, then Kris objectively DID enjoy Snowgrave.

>decide to re-listen to UT soundtrack after 10 years
>it's ass for the most part

have i changed

>>715377318
after how the trannies made a mockery of his game last night be probably regrets donating to that dumpster fire

Princess Ribbon gloves only fitting Kris and none of the others proves that Kris is supposed to be the second hero, The Girl. Sorry.

>>715370814
Ralsie seems like they geared for support explicitly, so the attack magic being weak as fuck to the point of not being worth it during the fight makes sense, but I can absolutely see Ralsie deciding to train it now that the knight showed how willing they are to conjure titans to fight us.

>>715377318
Do people on the right who obsess over this game not get any kind of cognitive dissonance

the only thing worse than le subvert my expectations gay theory retards is culture warrior niggers

>>715377391
What stood out

>>715377391
No, Tobias just got insanely better.

>>715377391
There's nothing wrong with your tastes evolving, anon.

>>715376159
I liked how you completely ignored my entire point of you getting to know Flowey through your interactions. He's an active character in the story, even though he's confronting you at the beginning and during multiple endings. You can only see him following you around through easter eggs. Dess is someone who doesn't have much weight to you as a player, because she's simply not there. And the Knight is a complete non-character. They don't say anything, you don't really know anything about them, they just fight you once and cause mischief in the background. It's not comparable.

>>715377398
>more cope

>>715377286
kris care a lot about the people around him, but his personality prevents him from outwardly showing it

>>715377429
Cognitive dissonance is literally all they know. You don't vote in Trump and genuinely expect the Epstein Files to be released without some kind of mental disorders.

>>715377391
you got susie pilled
she also thinks it sucks ass

>>715377506
they/them*

>>715377375
>Then why does ERAM accuse them of enjoying it because they could place the blame on you, and why does the accusation seem to hit Kris so strongly
Because of what I just said. A part(keyword) takes pleasure in the fact that none of it is his fault. And he hates that he feels that way.

>>715374740
>>715376327
she was smoking weed and being a survivalist, she was like 14-15 minimum

>a portion of Kris enjoyed Snowgravy
>so actually this means Kris 200% enjoyed it
This is your brain on ESL

>>715377391
Yes, you acquired contrarianism.

>>715377330
If a man is born with no arms that doesn't mean humans don't have two arms biologically.

>>715377587
(you)

>Trump
>muh politics
Can you fucking faggots find friends IRL to talk about that topic? Or is it to difficult so you have to shit every discussion you find on Internet? I guess you have no other choice but have some decency, retards.

>>715377497
NTA, but I'd say Dess has just as much weight as Flowey did in Undertale. Sure, you only directly meet her as the Knight, but you're introduced to her by Chapter 2 at the latest and Chapter 3 spells out how her disappearance fractured both the Dreemurrs and the Holidays and how Kris would do literally anything to bring back the good old days by "finding her". She's absolutely crucial to the story.

>>715377613
i dont care what Kris has in they're Pants or whatever it identifies as I just want Kris too be safe and happy

>>715368371
lanino will start fussing that he wont allow his wife to dress like this on air only to messionary her same night

>>715377330
Physically impossible

>>715377497
'there's still 3 more chapters!'
We're over halfway through the story and the Knight is a way less interesting and intimidating villain than Flowey, who is a fucking talking flower. FRIEND is more interesting, arguably the closest there is to Flowey.

>>715377615
Dess isn't that much older than Noelle, and spelling bee Noelle was even younger than Frisk based on sprite height.

>>715377587
She/her*

Kris was born a woman trying to become a guy.

>>715377402
this

>>715377497
>getting to know flowey through your interactions
you interact with him exactly 3 times before his boss fight
>he's there even though you don't see him
literally like the Knight

>>715377667
but what does that make the armless/no genital man

>>715377635
You enjoy it or you don't, no percentages.

>>715377713
i did NOT mean too post this as a direct reply sorry anon kun im retarded

>>715377785
A defect.

>>715377740
they/them and yes, Kris is trans

>>715377829
so Kris is a defect

>>715377785
Non existant because that never happened.

Is Kris timelooping? Even when you discount some of the meta jokes like telling Ralsei you already know the legend, there's so much weird shit surrounding them and the actions they take that at the very least they must have some meta awareness like Ralsei does.
>in chapter 3 the Knight tries to beam Toriel twice, suggesting that the ultimate target was Toriel
>Kris has the foresight to slash tires post chapter 2 to force Undyne to show up later
>wakes up before Susie in ch3 and convinces Tenna they are the knight/relays the knight's command to 1) find toriel 2) keep her safe 3) keep the fuck squad busy until Undyne arrives
>Knows at the very least to throw the fight with the Knight and at the very worst sabotage the party to prevent the knight from losing too early
>Already knows the Shelter codes
>In the weird route, Kris will save berdly from the library, go visit Noelle to console her, take the thorn ring from her while keeping it for some reason
>In chapter 4 Kris won't let you play the really long piano song until after Susie gets the 'pen of hope' speech from Gerson
>The only prophecy panel in chapter 4 directly relating to chapter 4 is unused, meaning that chapter 4 did not need to happen for the prophecy
>with current information, the only reason why the knight would open a dark fountain in the church would be to get another attempt to capture toriel


This is some 90's era point and click adventure game shenanigans and avid schizophrenia.

>>715377830
>, Kris is trans
Explains a lot of his self destructive behavior, hohohoho

>>715377857
No. He's a self insert. Specifically tobys self insert.

>>715377635
I don't think Kris is lmao Chara 2.0, but so far Kris doesn't fully try to stop it either

>>715377613
...mmkay, let me elaborate on what I'm trying to say.
>Snowgrave was only possible because a part of Kris allowed it to happen
>Especially because it let them indulge their worst parts while having a scapegoat
>Snowgrave was fucking with Kris's head just as much as it was fucking with Noelle's
>By the time we hit Berdly, Kris was in full * Proceed mode just as much as Noelle was, and their reaction to Berdly was basically YES! KILL!
>A few hours later the high wore off and they went "oh fuck I need to unfuck this situation"

>>715377884
The past dictates the future.

>>715377904
That's actually YOU

>>715377884
not gonna get into it in this thread because you made this point way too late, but imo this is how deltarune truly links to undertale. not exactly in the way youve described, but something similar.

>>715377884
Timelooping has been a theory ever since the unused intro in the SURVEY_PROGRAM days had a slowed down Susie asking Kris to wake up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXeftLB9UTo

>>715377830
is that why he tries to jump out of the window