Thread 718414648

This thing ever going to come out?

eventually

>>718414648 (OP)
Why would anybody be excited for this after the dumpster fire that was KH3?

Anyone remember the time between when KH3 was announced and when it actually launched?

>>718415225
kh3 was fun
>t. played it after both crit and remind were out and had that as my first experience
>>718414648 (OP)
yeah in like 10 years after a few more gameplay reworks, 100% they won't release the game we saw in that first trailer

>>718415386
I remember the hype, then SE announced the Osaka team as the developers and every KH fan with good taste knew the game would be floaty garbage.

>>718415225
I want them to fix what they fucked up and put Sora back on his island with his hot red-headed GF and live happily ever after.
That is ALL I want from 4
If it fails that, I won't be bothering with 5

>>718414648 (OP)
I would have said they cancelled it, but they literally made a recent official announcement that the game is still coming and that you should just wait

>>718415386
There was about 5 1/2 years between the KHIII announcement and launch.

KH4 was announced about 3 1/2 years ago. If SE keeps the same schedule, KHIV should be ready in about 2 years.

>>718415386
I remember they banned this gif just because one dude ritualposted with it on every kh thread with a
>tfw no indiana jones world

>>718415225
Imagine if everyone used that logic and skipped DMC3 after DMC2.

What's the point? KH3 ruined the series beyond repair.

>>718415386
yes and I also remember accurately calling when it would be announced because I knew it wouldn't happen until FF XV was wrapped up

they need to rework the whole fucking story
also give me german dub ffs

>>718415225
I never played past two but from what I remember you had to play an old phone game to keep up with the story?

Then that one PSP game that had completely different characters from the original just seemed to lose the magic of the 1st PS2 games

KH4 needs FF characters back, en masse
It needs a coherent story, bring back the charme of KH1
Remove the shitty KH3 "press triangle to do adhd riddled disney attraction cutscene"

>>718415906
He has a decent shot in 4 which is why sora looks so weird now, hes being made with realistic disney settings in mind like indiana jones, marvel, star wars, probably more with some random pixar worlds again in between.

I hate it though. I want my 2D animation worlds back.

>>718416138
kh2 did it well enough with things like tron and pirates world tho

The only thing that can even remotely salvage KH at this point is a full blown KH1 remake which they'll get around to making eventually

>>718415225
You can tell that people hating on KH3 never played anything in between because it's infinitely better than the 69 games that came after 2

>>718416230
a stinking heap of shit is still shite

>>718416230
Just because most spinoffs are trash doesn't excuse 3 also being trash.

>>718416220
Wait wasn't Lion gate making an actual live action adaptation with real actors?

>>718416052
>Remove the shitty KH3 "press triangle to do adhd riddled disney attraction cutscene"
nigga just play on crit, it disables that shit

>>718414648 (OP)
Probably still 2 years out.

>>718416309
Doesn't matter. Anon is talking like KH3 is somehow the black sheep in the series when in reality it's not even close to that
I've played every game back to back and KH3 felt like rain after a drought

>>718416475
Don't put it in the game in the first place

>>718414648 (OP)
>Finally releases after 10 years (and im being generous)
>Doesn't resolve anything, ends in a cliffhanger
kekaro

I already forgot the entire story of the series after beating 3. So when this does come out, I have like 8 hours of autistic youtube catch up to do on what the fuck happened in all of these games

>>718415225
I had fun with it. I enjoyed most of the worlds except Arendelle. Fuck this shit

/khg/ won't admit it but you know it's true

>>718415225
>dumpster fire that was KH3
Base III is on par with Base II.
ReMind III is superior than II Final Mix.

>>718415386
Yeah, we were just fresh out of DDD and KH[chi] was JP browser only.

Good times.

>>718417508
>Normalfag tries to talk about the series
Begone or stay contained in I-II forever.

man i just want my fucking drive forms back i know it doesnt work with the lore anymore but god please square i just wanna fucking dual wield keyblades

>>718417951
>god please square i just wanna fucking dual wield keyblades
Oblivion + Oathkeeper.

Development Time
kh ddd > kh3: 6 years 10 months
kh3 > kh4: 6 years 7 months

IT'S IN DEVELOPMENT HELL ON THE BRINK OF GETTING CANCELLED
DON'T LISTEN TO SQUARE ENIX SHILLS

>>718417508
Huh I don't get it

>>718415225
they make cool superbosses eventually
i'll buy it when the DLC is out in like half a decade

>>718418468
they have to hastily shove in as much canned mobile lore as they can or nomura will have a shitfit

>>718418468
they may have rebooted development at some point but there's no chance in hell of a cancellation

Weren't the rumors like "KH 4 is gonna release soon after 3 because they figured the engine and HD development out"

they killed Missing Link, the series is in a fucked state

>>718414648 (OP)
It's too late for this series. It's a kid's game from 23 years ago. There is no magic anymore

>>718419680
it's pretty inexplicable
should be the same team as kh3 as opposed to what they had to rebuild after kh2, they're using an engine with a lower barrier to entry, they've been doing this shit for 20 odd years so the workflow with disney should be smoothed out. they're not massive games either.
i suppose they've had nomura on FF duty but it speaks a lot to the lack of depth of talent in that company that they need his hands on deck

>>718414648 (OP)
anon. kingdom hearts 3 came out years ago.......

>>718419584
>they may have rebooted development at some point
I think they did, Nomura commented at some concert that something had happened that changed the direction of the KH franchise or something

>>718415386
First announced 2015 iirc, released around 22 but only formally started development in 2018. I believe they had to scrap the engine more than once which is why it took so long as well so this one should actually come out within a reasonable time frame from the announcement. The main problem is Nomura couldn't work on it as the main director/producer before FF7R2 released

>>718420212
it's been 6 years anon

>>718415586
Heartless design looks a bit placeholder and we didn't see much actual gameplay. That being said though I don't see them scrapping the KH3 engine they were using though a swap to UE5 might be possible

>>718420415
>>718420380
my bad must have messed up the timeline on the announcements, maybe the officially in development date was 2016 then

>>718420124
>not massive games either
For an action RPG they're relatively big at 30-40 hours. Honestly I think the gameplay scope of KH is pretty impressive considering it's a combat game ala DMC but with fanfiction-tier Final Fantasy plots. It's like if God of War 1-3 was 20-30 hours instead of a fun 10 hour action game

>>718420487
I believe they confirmed to be creating it on UE5

Bump

>>718420835
>Swap Engines AGAIN
Jesus Christ Square. The nu-KH has gone through 4 engines at this point, 5 if we're counting DDD

>>718417508
Even though KH2 had the better gameplay, story-wise you could see the series obviously going to psuedo-battle shounen hell though at least the ending was conclusive enough.
BBS was the first major blow to the series.

>>718414648 (OP)
Heh, more like Kingdom Fart, heh

>>718420004
>kids games

I remember trying to show both my parents the very start of 1 and then being absolutely blow away at the grafics thinking it was literally a movie

then the actual game started & they were just confused

>>718422840
At least we got this great intro that was somehow worse then why happened in game

https://youtu.be/ejYttnAXfEY?si=B_6AOO5Z_MVoj0qp

>>718419680
>>718420124
They rebooted the project some time on 2023 when they realized that UE4 was getting obsolete thanks to Rebirth, they were moving everything to UE5 and that got KH IV caught in the transition.

>>718416230
Idiotic comparison because they were handheld spinoffs. I'd rather play Sands of Time on PS2 than GBA but I'm not gonna make a point complaining about the latter because it'd just be retarded.

>>718423076
This teaser was pretty brutal man, I was kinda hoping this meant the serious would be darker/more mature like KH2 to 1 but sadly we never got that type of KH.

>>718422840
It's insane how KH1 just knocked everything out of the fucking park but then none of the other games ever came close.

>>718415934
DMC3 didn't taka to realease a decade after DMC2

>>718414648 (OP)
There was a 6 year time span between announcing KH3 and releasing it, we're only at 4 years for KH4.

>>718415225
kh3 was kino beginning to end
finally gotten a pay off for all the storylines introduced in the side games

kh4 is gonna be kino of the highest caliber

>>718422801
>Currently, we've already begun working in UE5, so this may be the only time we show you footage from UE4. The next time we show the game should be in UE5, so please look forward to it.
Looked it up, it was from a 2022 Famitsu interview, so unless something changed mid way again that is what it is.

>>718423275
that stuff is reserved for the mobile games

>>718422840
KH2 going pure 2000s deviantart Disney shonen was kino. It worked with the action gameplay.

I see faggots are already rewriting history. KH3 was the biggest disappointment of the last decade and remind didn't fix shit.

>>718422801
>again
They said literally the day the trailer came out it was going to be in UE5 and the UE4 trailer was just a mockup. This isn't anything like the two-years-in engine switch KH3 had.

>>718414648 (OP)

What would be the point of it? KH3 was an unmitigated disaster. Virtually no story for like 80% of the game, boring generic worlds like the offices of Monster INC, a forest for Rapunzel, a generic snowy mountain for Frozen and a generic city for Sanfrantokyo. It was so fucking uninspired compared to the classic Disney worlds from previous entries.

And then there is that rushed ending to tie all loose ends. Back to back bosses with their corresponding "emotional closure" cut scenes. Not to mention most of those were previously defeated organization members. Talk about lazy and cheap. Didn´t feel a thing. Combat is also inferior to that of KH2. Not terrible or anything but just meh.

So why would you want a KH4? To visit the live action remakes of the classics? To introduce the characters from FF XIII, XV and XVI? No, thank you.

>>718423838
>KH3 was the biggest disappointment of the last decade and remind didn't fix shit.
Wrong on both counts. PSO2NGS far outranks KH3 as the biggest disappointment and ReMind was a fantastic step in the right direction on all counts, basically directly confirming that the majority of KH3's issues were the rough devcycle leading to cut content.

>>718423589
>>718424228
Hmm alright. I suppose it's alright given they have UE5 experience already with final fantasy. But it feels like every Square release recently is using a different engine

>>718424536
Could be wrong but I don't think they've done FF on UE5 yet either. There was some talk of VII remake part 3 possibly switching to it, but I don't know if anything came of that.

>>718424264
>To visit the live action remakes of the classics?
Why do you think we have ugly, uncanny valley Sora?

>>718424264
>To visit the live action remakes of the classics?
People who think they're going to do this are actually retarded.

>>718424264
Aren't you forgetting the toy story world

I am a nostalgiafag and i admit it, yet my opinion stands: i never truly enjoyed the increasing flashiness in the combat system and every time more convoluted plots from BBS onward. It reminds me of how we went from early Final Fantasy games to the fucking Crystals Saga with Lightning and Noctis and his fuckboy gang. I miss when it was more simple and fun (and more Disney, nowadays is like 90% OC SquareEnix autism)

>>718425130

Not forgetting, intentionally leaving it out because, unlike the others, it proved to be mildly fun. If the other worlds were half as decent fucking around for 80% of the game may have been more enjoyable. I did forget about the pirates of the Caribbean one though, which was also boring and generic as fuck (unlike it´s KH2 counterpart)

I can't be the only one that thought KH3 remind data fights were peak outside of the arenas being samey

>>718415225
reaction commands are coming back because they were surprised how many fans actually liked them along with FF characters

>>718425435
Unfortunately Kingdom hearts 1 is a completely different genre from the rest of the series and I also miss it.

>>718426027
KH1 was pretty good adventure kino. I had thought DDD would be more in that style but the mystery of a new IP just cannot be recaptured outside of specific circumstance ala KH2 twilight town

1 is the only good game in the entire series. 2 tries to be a bad DMC knockoff, which it succeeds at since it's a bad DMC knockoff.

I’ve been thinking of playing through this series, only played a bit of 1? Is the series worth it? I’m big into action games, not so much Final Fantasy games outside of Stranger of Paradise, the only mainline FF game I have completed is X.

>>718426961
Just play 1. The rest is anime garbage with a convoluted story.

>>718415225
the game with the best bosses out of any action rpg is shit? how retarded can you be you stupid nigger. KH still mogs every other action rpg.

>>718426961
KH1. KH2. KH3 are all good action RPGs (and recoded), and KH3 should be played with the mod that allows you to use the dlc abilities throughout the first playthrough.

despite what that other retard said, the shonenness of KH is literally what makes it so kino. you can still enjoy the gameplay without the story, and KH4 will be a whole new arc and probably have insane gameplay

>>718425435
That's partly because the 1st game had more charm & pure atmosphere m8

>>718426553
>>718425435
KH1 being the first it put the setting stone of what to expect from this series, i must say that KH1 felt "magical" very disney-ish with colorful characters, a simple story to follow and the interaction with the characters all feeling you're as part of their story without breaking immersion or 4th wall. The problem is that KH2 you were watching the movies unfold with you at the side, sure it improved the combat but at the cost of boring cutscenes? also it lost the disney magic when introducing organization 13 which it wasn't awful but it felt like that that point they couldn't synergize 2 concepts making disney be secondary to the plot and also executives protecting their brand for some weird reason making the entire point of kingdom hearts pointless

>>718426961
not a single spinoff is worth playing
don't worry about the story it's too retarded you're not missing anything

>>718427818
>implying

anon please......... the entire second half of 2s intro was from CoM m8

>>718425784
>I can't be the only one that thought KH3 remind data fights were peak
Of course they are. They're KH2's fights taken up a notch and Yozora is insanity. Hope to see more of that in 4.

>>718423275
Remember when everyone thought that was soras dad

>>718427818
>not a single spinoff is worth playing
Nah they're all fun. You fags hate every game and call it shit if it's not a total 9/10 god tier whatever the fuck you played when you were 14. KH as a series only has two truly bad games and those are the phone games (X/UX and Vcast)

remember when they made games in less than ten years?
remember that 2 was just thrown together and never intended to be one of the best games of all the time, pirates 2 movie wasn't even out yet so they bullshat the plot on that world

Choose

>>718415225
KH3 Was fun but the story was ass even for KH standards.. you can tell they rushed it when they needed to re-do the engine change,

>>718428947
all

>>718428947
what happened to Kh3 Kairi
kh2 version of her doms her in every way
Omelette

>>718429121
she grew up?!

>>718426553
>I had thought DDD would be more in that style
But it is, it's a journey through dreams.
Traverse Town sets it up perfectly, the only outlier is The Grid really.

>>718429121
Utada became a dyke and Kairi was collateral damage.

>>718427782
>executives protecting their brand for some weird reason making the entire point of kingdom hearts pointless
Exactly one of my main issues with the franchise nowadays. The focus on the Square lore on it's own it's too much and too detached from the Disney parts. I'm not saying Nomura should have reached Tails Gets Trolled or Crash Bandicoot Retold levels of writing in order to keep it related (or make it should have, considering the quality of KH plot), but i expected a little more interaction between the two settings beyond from "oh no, XIIIfags are doing some shit in Disney worlds, go stop them! Oh wait, their plan ends up somewhere else entirely and Disney was at best a middle ground for testing or stealing stuff"

>>718419838
qrd?

was that another 3DS game or mobile?

>>718428947
they're all ugly except for rai and kairi

might have just posted a bunch of men

>>718430604
mobile game akin to pokemon go or mincraft world

>>718429860
It's still more of an action game like in 2. It feels less like an exploration mystery rpg like 1

who cares

nothing after 2 (read: not 2FM) is canon anyway.

>>718418468
yeah we're gonna need 3 more mobile games that are gonna be canceled in 4 months, also they're all relevant to KH 4 and you can't play them anymore because of EOS
oops

>>718431028
What happened in the story?

>>718431629
We don't know. It never came out, and presumably the plot elements from it are gonna end up in KH4 or a non-gacha spinoff game somehow.

>>718431729
>presumably the plot elements from it are gonna end up in KH4
Another year of delay, why not

>>718418468
Re:Mind and MoM came out in 2020 dumbass, subtract a year from your count

>>718431868
calm down anon

>>718414648 (OP)
No

>>718416220
But Kingdom Hearts holds up in every regard except perhaps Gummi Ship and some of the FM synthesis.

>>718433673
>Kingdom Hearts holds up in every regard
I hate the FM recolors except the Phantom.

>>718416220
>remake

>>718433996
I never played the FM version but heard it had some weird lag spikes towards the end?

>>718433996
Then just play base 1.
The only thing really missing is the xemnas bossfight and a few abilities or just get a mod.

>>718434064
Even on proud kh1 isn't hard enough for it to matter.

>>718416230
KH3 and spinoffs player here - you're a fag, 358/2 Days was great.
BBS did suck though.

>>718434103
Sadly, SE ignores the base version of the games and only the FM versions make it to the HD era.

KH is a PS2-only experience to this day.

>>718434247
>358/2 Days was great.

>>718434064
>some weird lag spikes towards the end?
The versions available to everyone are reconstructed versions made during the PS3 era and in that process some new bugs appeared.
The original experience is JP PS2 only.

>>718434329
Mod or emulate it.
There are options.

No Roxas, no buy. He's the only part of the franchise I care about now that Sora is completely retarded from 3D onwards.

>>718434506
>now that Sora is completely retarded from 3D onwards
II**
This DDD hate propaganda must stop, Sora got lobotomized in II but IIfags never put attention to the story because they were just Skip mashing to the next fight.

>>718434506
>Roxas

he stopped by the very mid point of 2 after his final fight m8

>>718434506
Roxas should have stayed dead.

>>718434506
Roxas is done already.
His appearance in DDD was a great sendoff, they should have stopped there.

>>718417653
>ReMind III is superior than II Final Mix
you're beyond delusional if you think this
even if the data org battles are better, the newly added area in remind (the explorable scala ad caelum) doesn't hold a candle to II final mix's cavern of remembrance, which is hands down, undoubtedly and objectively the best-designed area in the entire series with one of the best and most atmospheric tracks in gaming
nothing in remind can compare to cavern of remembrance, retard
this is not debatable, don't @ me

>>718435336
>dead

but he was never really dead,just buried inside sora?

>>718435336
>dead

but he was never really dead,just buried inside sora?

now ven on the other hand

>>718436060
I'm just gonna pretend that Xion went back to not existing after the world was saved.

BBS is the best one

Spock AND Luke Skywalker. you don't deserve good games if you mock BBS.

>>718431868
mom is just 20 minutes of cutscenes developed by osaka team and remind is remasters, 0.2 and back cover movie equivalent

Hoy since people still don't seem to know.
2>1>3>re:coded=>0.2>BBS=>DDD=>Re:CoM>days.
This is the objective ranking, but since I am a merciful god I will grant you some leeway.
Putting 1 over 2 is respectable, because 1 is the most soulful game in the series.
BBS, DDD and Re:CoM are completely interchangeable.
GBA CoMfags get the benefit of the doubt and can place it anywhere 1 below and 2.
Anyone who doesn't agree with this ranking is objectively wrong and their opinion doesn't matter.

>>718415906
I wonder if the leaks were true and we really do get a star wars game set during ESB,would be kino to see luck and sora in jabba's palace

>>718436612
>re:com even on the list
opinion discarded, gba or nothing

>>718435925
>cavern of remembrance, which is hands down, undoubtedly and objectively the best-designed area in the entire series with one of the best and most atmospheric tracks in gaming
KH Hollow Bastion is better.

>>718436612
>days worse than 3D and BBS
lol no

>>718437375
>daysfag

>>718430265
KH1 handled the meddling perfectly they segue the plot that could both fit for KH and Disney without changing the ending of each disney story. I feel like KH3 tried to do this and in certain worlds it flow naturally even with the addition of the Org13 but not in all worlds (eg Frozen) which is why we now have pseudo TGT or CBR levels of writing because what's left for them to write about if the main gimmick of the series which keeps the other side that's basically glorified chuuni is untouchable to work around?

>>718437375
Yes, you haven't played Days if you think BBS/DDD are worse.
They didn't knew how to do 3D controls on the DS until ReCoded.

>>718415586
>made sora asian
what the hell were they thinking

>>718437579
I think there's an easy way to fix shit.
Make it about friction withing the Org about Xigbar furthering his own agenda on the Disney Worlds and Saix being a watchdog after him. Make it seem like there's some friction between the new Org before the final fights before everyone kneels to Sora+Guardians of Light.
Then the secret movie gets more impact because Xigbar was messing with the Disney Worlds to further MoM/Foretellers return toying with Xehanort all along.

>>718416220
>KH1 remake
>after what happened with FFVIIRE '
What a repulsive post

>>718423132
I think I’ve heard similar stories before. Sounds like switching game engines mid-development is a recipe for development hell. And when you switch engine once, there’s a slippery slope to switch a second or a third time. Games take so long to develop these days.

>>718437579
You can blane disney for that.
Frozen guys were notoriously hard to work with during development.

>>718437919
>Sounds like switching game engines mid-development is a recipe for development hell.
It is, but SE is obsessed in being at the cutting edge in graphics since they went to bed with Sony with FF7.
However, this time I can agree that they were thinking on KH IV being a 2025-2030 title and that UE4 wasn't going to be enough.

They are the opposite of Atlus that it's still using the Catherine Engine (Made in 2009-2010) for Metaphor in 2024.

>All the Disney world in KH4 are going to be live action garbage to justify the MCU and SW being included
>Even if animated movies are inlcuded, Disney has hasn't made an animated movie worth a shit in the past almost 10 years.
We could've had TV worlds to fix but noooooooo, Nomura's autism will allow movies to be worlds because he thinks they're more important

>>718438145
>We could've had TV worlds to fix but noooooooo
We got Revenge of Jafar on KHII and Mickey's Three Musketeers on DDD.

>>718437923
my friend hates frozen and was pleasantly surprised when they shoved the movies story into the background so you don't interact with it. it felt like even Nomura didn't give a shit about frozen.

>>718438257
Based on a movie, and Mickey, being the mascot gets special treatment.

Call me when Gargoyles,Darkwing Duck, or hell, even Phineas and Ferb get in.

>>718437923
>>718438328
The Frozen world was hilariously shit, but this is really more out of it being Disney's golden goose at the time. I imagine they were VERY hands on, so not to tarnish it with Nomura's inferior plot mucking things u and "ruin its image"

The only reason Toy Story got away, mostly unscathed, is because Pixar isn't an in-house studio, and TS4 hadn't come out yet, so they weren't that concerned, in what they're eyes must be offically done fan-fiction.

>>718438385
God could you imagine an entire time traveling game covering some of the comics like Scrooge Mcduck at his prime or an actual good usage of the phantom blot?

>>718438092
If they want to remain cutting edge I think they need to cut back on scope. With the scope they currently have once the game is nearly finished it’s no longer cutting edge and they start over.

I feel like half the Final Fantasy franchise was released in the 90’s and sometime in the 2000’s after Final Fantasy 10 everything went wrong, development slowed to a crawl and people stopped caring about the numbered titles.

>>718438586
>The only reason Toy Story got away
Not only Toy Story, they also were ok, with making a pseudo sequel in Monsters Inc. Pixar was pretty based being honest.

>>718438586
toy story was actually a commentary about the canceled FF vs13, thats why half the world is missing. FF15s development broke nomura.

convinced my friend to watch tangled when we got there cause they hadn't , they did really well with that world.

>>718438874
I’m an outsider to FF (only played 1 and parts of 9) and this is just based off my observations off how people talk about the games. Everyone loves 6 and 7, 1 and 10 are well remembered, the others before 10 are still cherished by some, and nobody really talks about the ones that come after 10.

>>718438932
Monsters Inc world was bland given its source material, we barely even got any good buddy moments with Sully and Mike, and barely anyone else from the movie even appeared. Where the fuck was Waternoose?
>B-but he went to jail at the end
Yeah, and Randal was trapped in the human world, that didn't stop them from bringing him.

>>718438932
Big Hero 6 managed to write a pseudo sequel out of it and because there's no sequel, it didn't matter how it ended in the game

>>718415586
>more giant empty areas for heartless battles and nothing else
pass.

>>718438145
there are some disney movies left but disney is ashamed to recognize them as being part of their collection

>>718439286
It also ruined emotional sacrifice and meaning of the original movie. Also there a BH6 tv show airing that acted as a sequel at the time, which was ignored, because again, Nomura's autism doesn't allow for tv if it directly tied to the movies or Mickey and the gang.

>>718439382
Exactly. Disney will NEVER show any kind of respect to thing like Treasure Planet or The Rescuers purely out of spite for them flopping. The closest you'll get is a blink and you miss it cameo celebrating the entire studio as a whole

>>718439382
i think all the movies that are left are the furry ones, stitch, and no one is going to touch pocahontas. then again how would you add the KH plot into The Fox and the Hound?

>>718439286
>pseudo sequel

Guess it's time to bite the bullet & buy III and dig out my PS IV from the acttic

>>718439797
You can just watch the cutscenes on youtube you know. It's really not worth it.

>>718415225
I thought KH3 was great.
Though I did play all the games and waited for the game to actually be complete before playing it.

>>718439435
>It also ruined emotional sacrifice and meaning of the original movie.
The plans to sequel bait a rescue of OG Baymax were made during the production of the movie, they even thought about adding it as a post'credits bait, however due to time constraints they scrapped it.

>got a nostalgic mood and began playing BBS
>forgot the floatiness in combat
why did they approve this shit?

>>718440812
Rule of cool anon

>>718414648 (OP)
Nomura should've made Verum Rex instead

>>718440159
Disney ruining their own movies isn't something to be proud of.

>>718440858
Versus XIII was canned almost 10 years ago, move on.

>>718440954
Nah, I don't think I will

>>718440954
>Versus XIII was canned almost 10 years ago, move on.

>>718440858
Nomura had to choose between Verum Rex and KHIV. He knew fans would (rightfully) be concerned about Sora, so no Verum Rex. Meanwhile, we got a Versus XIII fanfic with Yoko doing the music called REYNATIS that also has Nojima doing the writing.

>>718441650
Call me when Nomura makes Verum Rex.

>>718441650
Nomura can't even legally make "Verum Rex" because he put it in a fucking KH game, a game franchise that's majority owned by Disney, the same company that fucked the public domain laws for years because they wanted to keep their copyright of Mickey forever.

Reynatis is literally the way that it could've been made

>>718441405
these loading screens are still the cringiest shit i've ever seen in a video game and that's with kh2 atlantica taken into account

Kingdom FARTS LMAO

>>718441650
Source

>>718442470
It's cope. Because Nomura cultists can't handle the fact Versus XIII is gone forever, and they're latching onto a made-up game.

KH4
>Replaced the villain from KH1-3 with comic relief Marvel quipping mobile gacha character who appeared in 2 cutscenes in the actual games for 6 minutes and 36 seconds
>Organization XIII is replaced with mobile gacha characters who have cardboard one dimensional personalities and appeared in 1 cutscene for 2 minutes and 55 seconds in the actual games
>In order to understand backstory you need to play mobile gacha (WHICH IS OFFLINE NOW)
>Another mobile gacha that was supposed to contain crucial backstory got cancelled
>QTEs
>Strong woman representation
>Unreal Engine 5
>Nomura is retiring and giving away the franchise to literally who
IT'S OVER

>>718434247
>358/2 Days was great.
Literally the worst game in the series if not for KHUX being a gacha, and even then KHUX completely mogs it in the story and character development department. Xion is still the worst character in the entire series.

>>718443074
He's giving away KH so he can make Verum Rex and retire

>>718428947
kh1 kairi mogs all of them

>>718443191
nta but you are wrong

>>718443191
Bait used to be believable

>>718442592
>It's cope. Because Nomura cultists can't handle the fact Versus XIII is gone forever, and they're latching onto a made-up game.
No. Nomura said he was doing KHIV over Verum Rex. 1st and 2nd posts address this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/364295-kingdom-hearts-iv/79980668

>>718443191
>worst game
I didn't know you enjoyed fucking around with cards so much.
>KHUX completely mogs it in story
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

>>718443251
>>718443292
>Almost all upgraded magic is worthless because their gimmicks are actively worse than basic magic in nearly all cases (Curaga being a great example).
>Magic in general has limited casts.
>Emerald Serenades.
>Agrabah and Beast's Castle make up the majority of the levels so when you're not in one or the other you're in Traverse town.
>Mission structure is absolutely awful and pads out the game.
>The Keyblades deal chip damage unless you have a bunch of crit buffs and Mystery Gear, but that requires you to be at endgame, and Roxas can't even get 100% crit like Saix can.
>There is no reason to ever pick anyone other than Roxas, Xion, Sora, or Saix because they either attack so slowly they deal no damage or attack so quickly they deal with enemy iframes (Mickey).
Even then picking anyone other than Saix is idiotic as he's the only one who deals damage worth a damn in the game.
>Bosses are some of the worst in the series and are just enormous damage sponges most of the time, Dustflier being the worst about it.
>Dustflier is the "secret boss" of the game and is barely
>We learn absolutely nothing about any of the Organization whatsoever that wasn't already covered in CoM or KH2 barring Ventus with Xigbar but BBS wasn't even out yet.
KHUX develops Organization members more than a game about them did.
>Axel is identical in character development to what we saw in CoM and KH2.
>Xion isn't even a character for over 100 days, is basically a child learning how to walk for the next 100, and then by the time she actually gets character development (Aka when Riku appears) she's dead in like 20 days.
>Roxas goes into a coma multiple times just so we can skip 30+ days where nothing happens.
Days is truly an awful game and I'm sick of contrarians.

>>718443481
Cards are significantly more fun.
>HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Go on, tell me what's amazing about Days' story outside of pulling the sympathy card on a clone of Sora's memories of Kairi who is barely developed.

>>718443907
>Traverse Town
Meant Twilight Town.

>>718423275
that would be 358/2 days

As a newfag, how's the Re:Mind DLC?

>>718423076
the whole ending sequence of BBS is absolute kino (including 0.2), too bad the rest of the game sucks

>>718423275
358/2 Days.

>>718444182
Data battles are fun but you have to look for openings in all the bosses. I'd say in general KH2 handled them better with the openings but I digress.
Most of the new cutscenes exist for people who can't understand how the time travel works on the Xehanort side despite being covered decently enough in the base game, to explain some stuff at the Keyblade Graveyard including the "Namine recruited Lingering Will" thing from the JP-exclusive concert, or if you played KHUX. A lot of the new lines and scenes are for people who played KHUX, picture related being a very simple one.
The new Sora Scala stuff with Kairi is pretty great, especially if you like seeing them together.
Pro Code runs are pretty difficult with Lump of Horror, Skoll, and the Nort Court being the major hurdles with it.

It's worth the price for a Final Mix upgrade to the game if that's what you're asking, but most of it is backloaded to after you beat the game.

I want to marry Xion.

>>718443372
Clearly this interview from 3 years ago, mostly concerning the mobile shit is proof Nomura was ever working on the very real and not at all made up game.

I was excited for 4 when they announced it, but Missing Link was a total misfire and now cancelled.
Now I am worried about the future.
It would be insane if they set up all these mysteries only to have no delivery.

>>718444812
Marrying who?

>>718415225
fpbp

>>718445069
There's no way they don't pivot to making a Re:Linked or something, same with Re:Union. Explaining it all in KH4 is going to be impossible and Missing Link looked like it was fairly close to a proper retail game anyway so they could just rework it to be one since they already spent all that money and time on it.

Imagine if the Nobody May Cry mod for PS2 KH2FM finishes before KHIV arrives.

Xehanort is sorry everybody.

>>718445370
Xehanort never apologized. He accepted he lost.

>>718445445
Cope, he expressed regret. He did cry about losing though, kwab.

>>718443907
I'm not gonna read that but you are wrong

>>718415225
Keylightsaber

>>718445370
XehaNIGGER

>>718428756
In the secret ending for the first release of KH2 stateside, I thought Terra/Aqua/Ven were Riku/Kairi/Sora, like they much older (17/18) and got armor for the apocalyptic fight.

does square even release games besides circle triangle strategy and round circular object rpg also legends of elliot?

>>718437375
Agreed. The combat in Days was much closer to the mainline than 3D and BBS was.

>>718439435
>Nomura's autism doesn't allow for tv if it directly tied to the movies or Mickey and the gang.
Still hate that, come on Nomura... do it.

>>718428074
>CoM GBA
>the memories
Ironic for sure, but it was also my first KH game.
https://youtu.be/H0GCa3GOC80?si=RnO2QzMZiL_IyVf1&t=627

>>718414648 (OP)
You are guys are 40 already. Are you really going to enjoy Disney game for kids?

>>718446873
I'm 32 actually. :'(

>>718446904
>still a kid
My bad then.

>>718443907
People still mad the game isn't their Org XIII fanfic when they went as far in depth as they possible could have.
>half the members die at the start
>characters like Xemnas and Xigbar have their backstories INTENTIONALLY left a mystery for future games
And like you said the shitty mobile tie-ins. That's just shitty storytelling, and by that logic they should have have their backstories explored in COM. You should be blaming UX for even existing.

I'd kill for another Chain of Memories game

>Be Namine
>Lose Sora to your original self, Kairi
>Retroactively cucked out of Roxas by Xion
>Nomura had to say Namine and Riku aren't together
PAIN.

>>718415225
For one reason specifically

Re:COM isn't THAT bad, Castle Oblivion has a pretty unique atmosphere

>>718428947
I don't want any of those though

>>718447804
RE:COM is hands down the best game in the series

>>718447808
What if Xion could morph into other people during sex?

>>718447172
>when they went as far in depth as they possible could have.
We had something like 130ish in-game days before CoM even happened and it did nothing to focus on any of the members of it. It focused on Roxas mindlessly doing tasks and a random puppet who stood around everywhere The only thing the CoM crew is bark orders at Roxas. We learn nothing about any of the CoM crew even though we literally partner with some of them. We learn nothing about the KH2 crew even though, again, we partner with some of them. Nothing is covered how they became Organization members, about anything they experienced, nothing. Not even people like Vexen who chat up a storm or Zexion who basically isn't a character until 3. The most we learn about anyone is that Larxene is somewhat lazy.

You don't need to focus on Xigbar or Xemnas to do that.
>by that logic they should have have their backstories explored in COM.
CoM focused on them as threats. Days has them when they've got downtime and are actively doing their jobs outside of Castle Oblivion which is the perfect time to actually showcase what the hell they were when they're not actively trying to kill Sora. It's a game focused entirely around an unknown aspect

The only character to get any focus at all is the literal who introduced in the game who was an active detriment to Roxas' character and Axel's character and completely unnecessary. She ate up all his time, didn't let him do anything, became his focus for everything, and ultimately died in the end meaning she was, up until appearing in DDD for a few seconds, completely pointless to the story. Roxas could have figured out something was wrong while befriending Axel and betrayed the Organization due to how Castle Oblivion was handled and how his friendship with Axel caused him to grow a heart and emotions.

>>718447804
The switch to 3D affected many parts of combat and general gameplay flow negatively. It's still okay but GBA is still the better experience.

>>718415225
>Why would anybody be excited for this after the dumpster fire that was KH3?
No i'm not at all, series is kind of dead to me. Have 0 desire to buy it, maybe will check the wiki in 10 years to see what a dumpster fire it was.

99% of the main story is basically tied up and the lore is so ridiculous at this point that I don't care about the few minor lose ends. The teaser for the next game looked like a total shark jump that was just going to double down on milking it. I didn't give a shit about Yosura or Versus or whatever shit they're trying to force into it from the writers failed side project. I also sort of just hate Sora as a character and don't think I can get over it.

In hindsight the writing was never that great and the main cast has only gotten more annoying over time. First game was good as a surreal, mystical, fantastical coming of age story and basically the only thing that ever got the series off the ground (and half of it is butchered and retconned), two started getting pretty stupid but there were at least some cool fights, three just went full retard and felt like an actual joke.
Series lost all grounding, who cares about drama, death and sacrifice in a series where you can just revive anyone who ever died multiple times in a couple cutscenes.

BBS was okay but was basically just a blatant star wars ripoff.
Days was basically the only KH story I consider to stand on its own in terms of actually having good original writing and compelling characters but they butchered them in three and I don't see anything else happening with them beyond fanservice cameo appearances. Maybe i'd consider playing it if they killed every other character off and rebooted it with the days trio as the leads.

>>718448042
>The switch to 3D affected many parts of combat and general gameplay flow negatively. It's still okay but GBA is still the better experience.
Yeah, that has been said by everyone already, but something 3D enhances is the atmosphere, which I ague it's better in the remake, still not makes it a better experience, but it's worth it to point out

BBS ruined the fucking series. It should have been it's own standalone story that had no direct impact with Sora and his friends. Ven is singlehandedly the stupidest character ever conceived in a video game and ruins Sora and Roxas just by existing.

>>718448042
They leave the castle on day 22, and the game starts on day 7. They're just cameos for the tutorial. You are such a retard.

>>718448321
I could have sworn it was longer than that but even in the tutorial they could have dealt with them. That doesn't excuse any of the KH2 characters.

>>718448196
>BBS ruined the series
Nah.
DDD on the other hand...

>>718448196
I never got around to playing it what's wrong with the main three knights?

>>718446904
>>718446950

>>718448830
Ventus is his own can of worms but is basically used to explain why Roxas looks like he does in BBS specifically and is constantly dealing with Vanitas all game. His actions directly contribute to Terra making bad decisions and he's constantly having a hissy fit that no one is taking him seriously. KHUX actually explains him and Vanitas.

Terra is basically Anakin 2.0 to an unhealthy degree. He just continually makes bad choices, gets led on by Xehanort, and refuses to really accept reality until close to endgame. He's very frustrating to watch because he's always like one step away from seeing reality for what it is but Aqua says something dumb or Ven says something to encourage him and it sets him back.

Aqua and Eraqus set in motion a lot of the issues that Sora had to deal with either through their absurd reverence for light itself or the inability to believe you could walk the path of twilight in addition to believing darkness as a whole is evil. BBS doesn't go in-depth with this, it's just implied that Eraqus had to deal with Xehanort being interested in darkness for a while and it radicalized him. Dark Road specifically goes into why Eraqus is such a lightfag and why Xehanort got interested.

KHUX and KH4 set up that the Master of Master is basically Eraqus' mindset on steroids and believes darkness even as a concept of nature should be destroyed since he's suffered through so much garbage due to it that he's been radicalized into hating it with ever fiber of his being.

>>718414648 (OP)
2028 at the earliest

BBS saved the fucking series. It should not have been it's own standalone story that had no direct impact with Sora and his friends. Ven is singlehandedly the smartest character ever conceived in a video game and fixes Sora and Roxas just by existing.

>>718415225
I wouldn't call 3 bad, but it definitely felt too short. You reach the climax the moment you think you're halfway through

>>718448348
Because no game has ever focused on the villains or their motivations, right? KH1 did a well enough job including the Disney characters into the plot. But ever since KH2 they've pushed most of the story towards the end. Days is the one game actually takes some time to focus on what the (real) main characters are thinking or doing, you're just arguing that the scope is small. So what? You're right that KH2 should have explored most of its original characters more, but it has a lot more going for it.

You honestly want to see how each character was recruited. That's just laughable. Not even BBS, the prequel focused on the main villain, did that. I don't want to keep repeating myself, a lot of these reveals are intentional mysteries for later. COM did it first, then KH2, not Days. I just have to imagine that anyone rating BBS higher than any other game has dementia.

>>718436741
I hope we don't, never cared about Star Wars

>>718414648 (OP)
My problem with the KH series is critical is too easy if you just casually level by clearing the content but it’s way too annoying to play at lv1.

>>718414648 (OP)
Nomura is the face of development hell

>>718449698
t. tasteless faggot

>>718449682
>You honestly want to see how each character was recruited.
No, I want them to actually talk with Roxas about something other than give him orders because Roxas is curious about them. Can only ever do so in the lobby where pretty much everyone tells him to go away. The entire point of Days is for Roxas to gain a heart and betray the Organization which is easily done by humanizing some of the Nobodies and having Axel go on this mission no one tells Roxas about the results of. I just want something done that doesn't involve Xion.

Xion herself never should have even been a thing and it's insane to me how people nowadays are humping her leg just because KH3 brought her back. KH3 bringing her back is also an objectively bad thing and she should have stayed dead and forgotten as a person.
>Not even BBS, the prequel focused on the main villain, did that.
No, but BBS actively explained Xehanort's goal with all the darkness stuff, displayed Eraqus' failures as a teacher, and established Ventus, Terra, and Aqua as their own characters throughout the course of a game with all three of them actively learning from theirs and Eraqus' mistakes. Days basically has Roxas asking where Xion or Axel are half the time, moping that Xion or Axel aren't there, doing missions, rarely eating ice cream with them to make us believe they're friends, and slipping into comas. We don't actually learn anything about even Roxas much that wasn't already established in KH2 prior to that, nor do we learn basically anything about Axel either. BBS covered Lea and Isa too.

>>718448348
The 22 days are arbitrary anyway.
There was a never an established timeframe between sora turning into a heartless and everyone going to castle oblivion.

>>718414648 (OP)
it wont come out or even have significant updates shown until after ff7 finishes.

>>718450032
Hard agree.
Also everyone in the organization calling Roxas a dirty fucking traitor is a lot less cool now that we know they tried to kill him first.

Sora still trying to get back to Kairi…

>>718450032
>REEEEEE!! Xion was a third wheel in my bromance. KILL HER! KILL HER! Roxas and Axel should have been together!
Jesus christ, the seethe. I hate yaoi shippers.
Xion is the only female character in the series who actually has the will and competence to do something on her own that is relevant to the story in any way. Aside from Aqua who is consistently a fuck up jobber.
Obviously it made sense for fake emo Sora to have a relationship with fake emo Kairi. Namine was reserved for other shit and is somehow even less similar to Kairi than Xion.

Bringing her back was stupid only because it is bad lazy writing that downplays any sense of tragedy in the series.

>>718450032
You should probably play the game again before making more dumb statements like we don't learn anything about Axel. You're being unfair to the game for things the series does as a whole and not looking at the things it does better than the rest. The narrative is so good it could be a standalone game. And yes Xion is best girl.

>>718452074
>Roxas and Axel should have been together!
No, they should be friends. Why do you think I like yaoi? I want Roxas learning humanity from the other Nobodies in the Organization along with Axel and betraying the Organization because of that newfound humanity and anger at the lies about his friend for almost a year. Not because of the lies about Axel and his friendship with a character only introduced in this game and never heard from again for years after the fact because KH2 already happened so she couldn't be around for that.
>Xion is the only female character in the series who actually has the will and competence to do something on her own that is relevant to the story in any way.
After being Scrappy-Doo all game. We babysit her a majority of the game and she doesn't actually gain any true agency until Riku appears at which point she's dead in a few days. Sure, we see her bringing seashells while Roxas is in his power-sapped coma #2 or #3 and we see her at least coming into her own around midgame, but we could have spent all of this time focusing on her spent on literally everyone else. She was completely and utterly unnecessary to make part of the plot or even have as an aspect of the plot. She never needed to be in the first place because the entire structure of the story was staring them in the face and they jammed her in there.

Roxas already has Hayner, Pence, and Olette with Lea tagging along. Why do we also need Xion on top of this? That's five people for this friend group.

>>718452372
>You should probably play the game again before making more dumb statements like we don't learn anything about Axel.
We learn he's friends with Saix and that Saix has changed from what he remembers if I recall correctly. Most of the rest of the story is him talking about going on the mission, begrudgingly accepting Xion into the ice cream group, being sent to Castle Oblivion, and then coming back angry leading to the Roxas betrayal.

>>718452372
>xion

Literally who,I thought namia was kairis heartless/nobody?

>>718452554
Xion is a replica, she was made to suck up Roxas' power but ends up sucking him off instead

>>718452549
>Why do you think I like yaoi? I want Roxas learning humanity from the other Nobodies in the Organization along with Axel and betraying the Organization because of that newfound humanity and anger at the lies about his friend for almost a year. Not because of the lies about Axel and his friendship with a character only introduced in this game and never heard from again for years after the fact because KH2 already happened so she couldn't be around for that.
Because there is no reason to hate Xion that much. Roxas, Axel and Xion are designed to mirror Sora, Riku and Kairi. Axel is the best friend with the moral conflict who he fights with and Xion is the borderline love-interest he wants to protect. From the perspective of him being an organization member Axel is his senior/mentor and Xion is his junior, Axel teaches him and he teaches Xion.
Roxas does interact with the other organization members and becomes sort-of friends with most of them in spite of the fact they know he is their enemy and it is kind of shown that most of them are decent people deep down. Don't know what you think is missing, it's like we played completely different games.
He does get mad at Axel but i'm not sure that is enough of a motivator for him to actually quit over. Having to kill his not-girlfriend and watch her die in his arms is kind of a bigger deal than Axel lying to him or even him being Sora.
>She was completely and utterly unnecessary
She develops from Roxas teaching her, it puts Roxas in the mentor role and is one of the few points he has agency rather than just being the kid lectured by everyone else.

>Roxas already has Hayner, Pence, and Olette with Lea tagging along. Why do we also need Xion on top of this? That's five people for this friend group
They're friends with a fake memory version of Roxas who is arguably an entirely different person. Axel and Xion are his actual allies who he fought alongside, overcame struggles and tragedies with.

>>718452831
Peak Organization XIII: clone girl made from Kairi memories and Sora’s leaky data gets gaslit into thinking she has a real identity, spends two-thirds of 358/2 Days crying and passing out, and still somehow has better development than half the cast. Say what you will, but Xion existing at all is the most Nomura-encoded thing in the entire franchise. She LITERALLY wasn't supposed to be, and that somehow makes her more powerful than most naturally born characters.

Also her making Roxas go full psycho mode after she dies proves she served her plot purpose better than anyone in KH3. Axel just walking in like "Guess we'll kill her, lol." still blows my mind.

>>718443907
>There is no reason to ever pick anyone other than Roxas, Xion, Sora, or Saix because they either attack so slowly they deal no damage or attack so quickly they deal with enemy iframes (Mickey).
I was excited to play as this guy when this game was new, but his combos are not fun...

>>718430995
>rai
y'know

Wife right here.

>>718441650
But Reynatis fucking sucks

>>718455640
sex roach

>>718415225
Remind added FF characters back so I'm hyped for KH4

>>718425435
>>718427782
Personally, I feel like Kh2 managed the best compromised between the realistic sword play and flashy combat. That said, I do enjoy the KH1 sword play. It's the only game in the series that make swinging the keyblade feel so satisfying and I don't mind having a grounded combat again in the series. And I am saying this after having play it after having played Kingdom Hearts 2.
The issue with KH1's combat is everything else surrounding it. Majority of the sword attack are ground bound, where most of the enemy are either Air bound or must be attacked from high place. The magic isn't fun to use unless you are specifically equipped for it.
Several skill such as guard or aerials combats came tad bits too late to make most of the main game enjoyable.
It kinda suck for me the rest of spin-off, while having dialed down the flashiness, the Keyblade doesn't feel as satisfying to use as 1 again, at least the system is interesting to use, if a bit flawed.

When you walk away

>>718446861
Why the hell is Riku so fucking buff compared to Sora noodly ass frame? Didn't they grew up together and practice fighting together all the time too? you'd figure sora is JUST as strong looking, but he's lanky even in official artwork compared to his best friend.

>>718459521
he's aryan

You don't hear me say

Pleeease...HELP!!! *bang bang bang* THE DOOR IS LOCKED

>>718415586
>>718414648 (OP)
This game currently screams development hell and the cancellation of the mobile game is probably a bad omen.

Like what even is the game around? Running around in Tokyo and then going to other worlds or something like that?

>>718418468
Has it seriously been longer than the gap between DDD and KH3? Jesus christ it hasn't felt that long what even is time anymore?

>>718459853
plus, Disney's incompetence and meddling, I'm not looking forward to what KH4 will be.

Simple and clean is the way that you're making me feel tonight

>>718459521
DARKNESS gives you gainz

>>718459672
and he also has faustian spirit so he's willing to throw everything away just to go on an adventure and get power

>>718454132
>Because there is no reason to hate Xion that much.
There is. Because it's like having a Poochy or Scrappy-Doo shoved in there, especially when Namine already existed and had direct ties to helping Roxas on top of it, and that's not even getting into the fact that she's the focal point of the game instead of the Organization itself.
>Roxas, Axel and Xion are designed to mirror Sora, Riku and Kairi.
That's blatantly obvious to everyone, that doesn't mean it was a good idea or necessary in the slightest, especially when KH2 had HPO as his friend group, Namine, and Axel. KH3 had to pair off Namine with Riku of all people which is beyond awkward when she had far more direct interactions as a person with Roxas.
>Roxas does interact with the other organization members and becomes sort-of friends with most of them in spite of the fact they know he is their enemy
He interacts with them in the most basic of ways: Being a coworker. They begrudgingly work with him instead of actually speak to him, and Roxas does nothing to try to learn about what's going on most of the time when they could have easily had Roxas actually connect with someone that wasn't just Axel and feel betrayed by them using him despite being close to him. I have no idea how you view either indifferent people like Xaldin/Lexaeus who basically just say short answers to Roxas or Larxene ordering him around as "Building rapport" with them and all that. There's next to nothing there.
>She develops from Roxas teaching her
That isn't the point at all. This is completely unnecessary in the slightest. He never should have had to teach her in the first place and his agency should have come from continually ignoring the Organization's goals to explore worlds on his own, talking to residents, and ultimately being restricted by Xemnas.
>They're friends with a fake memory version of Roxas
Who actively want to be his friends despite that as KH3 showed. KH3 literally ends on HPO + RLX looking for Sora together.

>>718459710
meeeeeeaaaaningless and tooooootlessss... this song lives in my head rent free and ache-free, like it's permanently floating in Dive to the Heart. Every time I boot up KH1 and that opening FMV hits, I ascend. No matter what KH does, Nomura will never top that "standing in ocean with platform disintegrating under your feet" energy.

>>718459853
>This game currently screams development hell
Being developed at Square Enix pretty much ensures that, no?

>>718460904
This is what yaoi does to your brain.

>>718459853
I forgot all about that game.
>Coming 2024
Jesus Christ it looks awful

>>718463050
>>Coming 2024
Not anymore

Days may be a bad game but Xion is a qt

>>718438932
>no randall boss fight
>no zurg superboss
i hate kh3 because there is only 1 disney boss fight in the whole game and its against Mr Hentai

>>718443907
based
people sucks 358's cock because its the only other game we can play as anyone else but sora

>>718418468
The top model is still used in the game before you get the new outfit after the first world. The keyblade itself is also unchanged. Kinda wild that they're sitting on complete assets so long before release.

>>718458342
Frankly, none of what you described as flaws in KH1 have bothered me in the slightest.
>Majority of the sword attack are ground bound, where most of the enemy are either Air bound or must be attacked from high place.
Off the top of my head, Defenders, Large Bodies, Shadows/Neoshadows, Soldiers, Bandits, Powerwilds, etc, don’t fall under this criteria and they’re the majority of what you fight in the game. Not to mention using magic to bring down aerial enemies to boot.
>Several skill such as guard or aerials combats came tad bits too late to make most of the main game enjoyable.
You arguably don’t even need guard when you have parrying straight from the start.

>>718460904
Moose, why does everything you say get dumber and dumber everytime I see you?

I'm just glad we can always blame disney for everything shit about kingdom hearts so we never have to face the fact that kingdom hearts is actually bad

>>718425435
I feel you, I feel like in KH2 onward they went too hard on the flashiness to the point that any boss that wasn't the org13 rematches or lingering will was just a gimmick or punching bag or both.
The problem is they overtuned the fuck out of Sora's moveset but didn't make the enemies any more difficult. I was hyped when I saw they were going to add a Davy Jones fight in KH3 which was something I fantasized about as a kid, and then he just ends up having like 3 generic moves and a teleport on an empty ship while you effortlessly juggle his ass like its MVC3. The fucking Captain hook boss fight in BBS as Ventus felt more challenging and more fitting of a swashbuckling pirate fight.

>>718468320
Because he’s a tripfag, emphasis on fag. I remember the NEO TWEWY thread and his initial takes on some many psychs/brands being flat out wrong because he didn’t bother to actually experiment.

>>718467726
spooky

This franchise fucking ruined my life.

>>718468547
>because he didn’t bother to actually experiment.
From what I recall that entire discussion stemmed from me asking about why you would use certain pins you obtained earlier in the game which I argued weren't as good to use because of their lower damage compared to a lot of newer stuff you found that attacked the same way, cemented you into certain attacks, or some of the status effect pins feeling difficult to weave into a lot of fights before someone was dead or their effect wore off. One guy was arguing that they still retained their strength later on in the game with the counterpoint being that their damage was lower but you could cancel them easier or use them to start up specific elemental specials with little effort.

Pretty sure the entire discussion was concluded amicably with me agreeing they were useful if you liked comboing or canceling to juggle stuff but it required you to want to do that over dealing with encounters quicker or deal with more field management. Many of the discussions early on at release were also coming from the angle of trying to make combos and be flashy while taking advantage of the pin specials which might prolong the battles but feel better to perform whereas I was just looking at it from a quick kill perspective and getting out of battles faster without relying on the specials all the time.

I seem to recall one person pointing out a few days later when people were regularly reaching postgame that one of the starter pins could be used to counter Sho's secret boss form easier for example and I want to say the punches were being shown to be something you could easily cancel in and out of. TWEWY threads are great for helping you learn stuff.

>>718469414
To clarify the post is meant to be read like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b9C1D3sd18

>>718469675
Shut up.

>>718470154
Why don't you shut up

>>718415386
>Anyone remember the time between when KH3 was announced and when it actually launched?
KH3 was disappointing but interesting things were happening in the mobile game which actually culminated in a really incredible reveal and then KH3 got some DLC which had hands down the best 1 on 1 fights in the entire series.

If you don't pay attention to the series outside of its main releases I can get why you don't really care for it.

>>718414648 (OP)
3was the worst game I've ever played, and after the one-two combo of that and FF7R, I'll never touch another Nomura game. KH used to be one of my favorite series, too. Fuck Nomura. And no, the DLC for 3 didn't fix shit and anyone pretending otherwise is a cocksucking faggot. I beat Yozora on critical as soon as it dropped and it was all still shit.

>>718470231
very rare to see art of her

>>718415934
Imagine thinking modern Square Enix can do anything except throw money into a furnace and launder cash from crypto investment scams.
Also KH3 was terrible due to Disney's meddling, lets not pretend they won't fuck things up further.

>>718415906
that ritualpost was so bizarre, why did that autist have such a severe fixation on indiana jones of all the IPs

>>718460904
>Roxas does nothing to try to learn about what's going on
Because he doesn't care and has nowhere else to go, as far as he knows he is just a nobody and they are giving him purpose and some kind of life. When he runs away at the end he is going on a suicide mission not running off to find meaning or happiness. The game was always going to have a tragic end, that was the point, Roxas wasn't meant to achieve some kind of enlightenment. They were all characters who were not meant to exist, were destined to die and probably would have stayed dead if the writers had more creative integrity.

> focal point of the game instead of the Organization itself.
>There's next to nothing there.
They are nobodies who aren't even supposed to have hearts so aside from the major ones like Axel we were not going to get a huge emotional connection or development. From a meta perspective the reality is that they are just not that deep, they are characters that were created to be cool, edgy human bad guys and get killed by Sora in KH2, they will not get further development unless the writers see a use for them. I'm not even sure any of the Xigbar plot twist shit was planned at that point. The writers just make this stuff up as they go along then craft convoluted magical explanations to try to make it make sense.

>his agency should have come from continually ignoring the Organization's goals to explore worlds on his own, talking to residents
Roxas doesn't really give a shit about any of this. It is one of the main things that separates him from Sora and honestly makes him a better character. Sora wants to be a big hero, explore, learn, and travel the world. Roxas is content with the small bit of simple happiness he gets eating popsicles with his friends and desperately wants to protect that, it is part of what makes his story so tragic.

>want to be his friends
They literally live in different worlds, Sora had "friends" in KH1 who were basically written out of the series.

>>718415225
Just because you (retard faggot worthless bitch) didnt like it, doesn't mean other people didn't. First day on Earth, faggot?

>>718414648 (OP)
2 more years if we're lucky.

>>718470769
KH3 was almost universally hated, and KH has a lot of shit games in the lineup.

>>718470464
You need to play worse games.

>>718414648 (OP)
I believe KH died the minute they made me play as Not-Sora in KH2. I was so excited to play as Sora again and there's that intro with some blonde emo kid that we're supposed to feel sorry for. Storywise the series went to shit with Roxas/nobodies and then they made it worse with Ventus.
>he's actually Sora's nobody
>uhhh actually there was someone else's heart inside Sora this whole time and that's why Roxas doesn't look like Sora

>>718414648 (OP)
>This thing ever going to come out?
Is Nomura ever going to come out of the closet?

>>718415586
This art style killed what little interest I had. Just because you can do better visuals now doesnt mean you should change the style.

>>718470743
>Because he doesn't care and has nowhere else to go
He was trying to figure out who he was and what his purpose was at the start. They gave him some purpose but they could have very easily had him straying off the beaten path to continue to question if it's what he truly should be doing or something more leading to finding out he was being used by Xemnas for something and that everyone was lying to him for their own gains. Maybe even show some of the Organization members attacking people to facilitate Heartless. Hell, make him interested in the worlds he is visiting because he's Sora's Nobody just from the direction of meeting other people than the Organization and have him interacting with the regular people which pisses Xemnas off since it ruins his cherade.
>we were not going to get a huge emotional connection or development
Which is fine, the point is that they'd talk about certain things or reveal certain aspects of themselves without realizing it. Maybe have Larxene dote on Roxas a bit, have Roxas talk to Zexion for a few seconds and be turned away due to his introverted nature, have Lexaeus and Xaldin helping Roxas learn how to defend the Organization or something, etc. Just something.
>Roxas doesn't really give a shit about any of this.
The point would be that Xemnas and the rest of the crew would be restricting Roxas from seeing or talking to Axel, restricting him from actually getting to know people from the worlds he visits, refusing to answer his questions, and lying to his face about why he is doing things ultimately leading to him being attacked by Saix since he's a dog without a leash and Roxas fighting back.
>They literally live in different worlds
Yet they're still outright spoken of as being friends with him and MoM talks about them. In an ideal world it would be Roxas/Namine/Axel as the trio because it actually makes sense based on how everything was structured prior to Xion. Axel was even sympathetic towards her in CoM.

>>718470945
Retards like you are the worst. Games don't exist in a vacuum. I've played Chinese bootleg versions of Street Fighter on the NES that are fundamentally broken. KH3 is still a worse game.

>>718470784
Still that long? Their report says major releases for period of apr 2026 to 2027 but that might refer to FF7 remake instead

>>718471708
Not really what I got from it, but I'll always be glad for my pessimism to be proven wrong.

>>718470963
>I was so excited to play as Sora again and there's that intro with some blonde emo kid that we're supposed to feel sorry for. Storywise the series went to shit with Roxas/nobodies and then they made it worse with Ventus.
That intro was a slog and basically only existed to be a mindfuck and confuse people. Even though I like Roxas in days I dread the intro anytime I replay KH2.
I usually don't shit on KH2 due to the fact it was still fun to play but it was the point where the writing and style went to shit.
>Removed all but the main characters from KH1
>Switched to focus on human enemies and Disney started to just become a platform for the worlds
>Started the ridiculous convoluted plot KH is known for and retconned a ton of shit.
>Lost a lot of the grounding and darker aspects the original plot had, now everything is just solved with magic. Before if your world got overrun by darkness everyone was basically dead and it was fucking over.
>No longer focused specifically on saving worlds from darkness
>Sora is more of a bitch just getting run around and played by everyone else who are in turn doing all the cool shit in the background off screen
>Didn't handle the transition of him from a noob kid to "hero" well at all, he's just as dumb maybe even dumber but more impulsive

>>718472042
Maybe I am reading the graph wrong, the cutoff line is actually a bit unclear now that I'm seeing it again.
But their fy2027 refers to the period of april 26 to march 27, so maybe..
Just kind of hard to believe they'd leave the release schedule truly that empty for nearly 3 years

I dropped 3 twice at the toy story world.
Maybe them waiting 15 years to release this made me lose interest. I wouldn't mind playing one or two again though.

>>718472430
>kind of hard to believe
Is it really with Squeenix?

>>718428947
Selphie my beloved

>>718470651
>Also KH3 was terrible due to Disney's meddling
qrd? I'm out of the loop on KH

>>718472915
I cant blame you

>>718473251
Arendelle sucking ass was because of Disney's meddling

>>718470715
You say that like ritual posters are ever not mentally ill.

>>718472931
I suppose not lol.

>>718472162
Isn't CoM more to blame for the change in story focus?

>>718417508
I still liked 3 but KH1 was best for story with worlds actually mattering and KH2 FM, while weaker in story, had the best gameplay and overall package. The data battle addition helped KH3 though, but they should've been there in the first place.

KH4 needs to bring back a Cavern of Remembrance style dungeon as well as a proper KH1 type colosseum.

Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty

>>718474187
why do you keep posting this

>>718474226
Why is Sora called a mermaid? It's merMAN

>>718474187
is water wet though?

>>718423468
...You liked Frozen? Tangled was tolerable but you LIKED Frozen? That shit drained the devs so hard they most likely had to cut back from Pirates and Big Hero 6...and you liked it? Nigga fuck off back to red-dit.

>>718471254
>This art style killed what little interest I had. Just because you can do better visuals now doesnt mean you should change the style.
Yeah it looks like absolute shit and I already had 0 enthusiasm. Truly visually repulsive.
I never watch live action fantasy because it always looks cringe. I've watched none of Disney's live action remakes.
Worse they look like actual kids which makes it impossible for me to take seriously, at least with anime style they are kind of ambiguous looking in terms of age so I can suspend disbelief.

>>718416474
>Non Disney studio making a Disney game into a movie
Retard

Has kh3 at least a sick boss rush like KH2? As a young teen I kept loading up my safe file every evening just to reexperience the boss rush at the end over and over again.

Dropped KH3 in the first couple of hours, first annoyed with skrillex opening which doesn't fit the openings of the first 2 games. And then because it seems like it was a sequel to BBS psp game which I didn't like.

But if there is a cool boss rush at the end I might still play it just to experience some kino.

>>718473251
Toy Story was only allowed to happen if it was canon to the actual movies. So in the actual movie timeline when you are watching the movies KH3 takes place between 1 and 2 if I remember right. Yes, this also means Rex is a weeb.
https://www.kh13.com/news/there-will-be-less-disney-worlds-in-kingdom-hearts-iii-than-the-previous-numbered-title-big-hero-6-world-development-is-going-well-and-next-information-is-on-its-way

Monsters Inc. had a lot of guidelines to follow just like Toy Story which sort of restricted what they could do with it on the whole.
https://www.vg247.com/tetsuya-nomura-opens-up-about-kingdom-hearts-3-i-do-feel-a-little-sad-when-i-think-some-characters-will-probably-never-appear-ever-again

Frozen also had issues thanks to that same interview above.
>You mentioned that Monsters Inc. had many more guidelines than Toy Story. Was that the one that had perhaps the most guidelines or was there one that had even more?
>Tetsuya Nomura: Frozen had the most.
We can also tell it had a lot of meddling somewhere along the line because the castle has its own minimap and interior when you get close to it and Larxene suddenly being able to make an ice maze makes no sense when she uses electricity. This leads tons of people to believe that Elsa had an outburst like in the movie that led to her isolating SDG using her powers that was likely scrapped late into development for whatever reason and they had to handwave a reason to keep all the work they did.

>>718475410
The entire Keyblade Graveyard is a boss rush. All of it.

>>718475410
the keyblade graveyard is purely a boss rush

>>718439787
BBS did the space stuff from Stitch. It's Hawaii they haven't covered, though I still like to think it'd be fun to make that the plot of a playable Destiny Islands with Lilo as one of the non-Square kids on the island.

>>718434247
look i liked /2 but BBS is way better. what level of contrarian is this?

>>718428947
>>718470231
>>718470607

>>718475763
BBS is just star wars plot and most of the conflicts in it are the characters own fault for being assholes.
The characters in days for the most part are making the best decisions they can in their fucked up circumstances.
Sure gameplay was better because it was on a more advanced console.

>>718475763
BBS is the lowest point of the series, it's spent years crawling away from its influence. The combat is braindead floaty command spam, and the less said about the story, the better.

>>718443907
Is that the MGS3 wall?

>>718468414
nothing has ever, or will ever, be nomura's fault

Would BBS be better if you could actually animation cancel without mods?

>>718415995
The old phone game one genuinely had some of the best gameplay in the series. The only section that really dragged was Olympus and that's only if you opted to do the 15 and 30 floor challenges.

>>718478339
Technically, it would be better. But fundamentally commands are broken

>>718434247
BBS was better than Days, but only because I installed a FoV mod that fixed the dogshit camera. In BBS, the enemies have practically no stagger, but in Days any tough enemies are simply damage sponges that hit like trucks, but have extremely limited and repetitive AI.

>>718478339
>>718478809
h.a.n.d. should be the only studio that is allowed to make command deck games.

>>718474808
yeah
game was kino
deal with it nigger

>>718415225
I had a lot of fun with KH3. I even got the platinum trophy.

>>718474808
Frozen did have a cool boss though even if they got hamstrung by not being allowed to have fun anywhere else in that world.

>>718481424
iam happy that disney got their shit caved in with the frozen IP dying because the second movie was garbadge and now pretty much everybody is just annoyed by it
all that protecting their IP over fucking nothing

>>718482679
>frozen IP dying because the second movie was garbadge
Damn it must have been bad because I've never even heard of the second movie.

>>718483197
Do Disney sequels ever do well though?

>>718483197
it wasnt wreck it ralph 2 level but it was still just really really mid

also i fucking hate it when they are trying to be self aware
they had a whole sequence where they made fun of the fact that "let it go" got overplayed everywhere

>>718455640
>only prominently featured in days for like five minutes in the tutorial because lol days
>somebody is just poor little nice girl #164 because ???
Not even engaging in coomery here I genuinely just liked her.

>>718483768
financially yes

>>718418468
the unreal shader is so ass
it went from a cool stylized artstyle to some lego garbage

>>718423076
square needs to give nomura unlimted budget for cinematics again

>>718443481
>KHUX completely mogs it in story
This is true.
X [chi] story is pretty good. The traitor is obvious, but the mental gymnastics the Foretellers go through is entertaining as fuck, also the Player/Chirity storyline is alright.
Union X [cross] isn't as simple and relies a little too much in bringing new concepts as the answer like the ""7 Darknesses"" but overall it uses old concepts well enough and does a good job making the new Dandelion leaders earn their spot. The ending is amazing, I love it. It ties pretty well with everything else. I think it's one of my favorite endings ever in the franchise.

>>718478232
Exactly. The man could personally write in a scene where Mickey kills a child with a keyblade and the fanbase would go, "ah, you see, this is symbolic of the loss of innocence and the fracturing of light within darkness." Nomura could throw darts at a wall and ship that as his next plot outline and it’d still get dissected like scripture.

>>718448078
>Series lost all grounding, who cares about drama, death and sacrifice in a series where you can just revive anyone who ever died multiple times in a couple cutscenes.
This happened in the original KH, btw.
III brought Death as an actual concept, so this complain of yours doesn't hold on.

>>718470895
>universally hated
By retarded faggots like you. Meaningless subhumans.

>>718452372
>The narrative is so good it could be a standalone game.
No, it doesn't.
Days doesn't work without KH (Roxas birth), CoM (Axel's meeting with Sora and contrast with Roxas, Riku/Namine's survelliance of Roxas) and II (Roxas tragedy).

>>718473251
They were micromanaging some IPs most notably Frozen but a bit on Arendelle. So that halted development to a crawl.
Pixar guys were mostly cool but the back and forth between JP and USA in communication also slowed development.

>>718475410
>first annoyed with skrillex opening which doesn't fit the openings of the first 2 games
The Song has grown on me. I was never a fan of Sanctuary and Simple and Clean was overused a bit (still original DDD is the best intro of all).

>>718423468
good bait. I just fucking LOVED that the plot that was built up for the last 2 decades only started progressing in the last 5 hours of a 40+ hour game

>>718488283
>only started progressing in the last 5 hours of a 40+
Are you a little slow? I 100% what was available to me and I was on KG by hour 25.
Also the plot is progressing on every world we got like 15 minute cutscenes everytime one is completed.

Yes, it could have been managed better but you don't need to exagerate or using misinfo to do it.
I think the "farewells" after every Org member dies were really stupid, if they wanted to do that, they should have made each fight individual, then make Master Xehanort bring them back as mindless husk with the reduced moveset for the team battles.

>>718488283
you gotta play remind

also its extremly obvious they didnt got the time and money to fully realise what theyve planned
overall they still managed to make it a satisfying ending to a long running game series which is something that most long running games never even get in the first place if we are being real here

everybody involved in kh3 put all their heart in soul into it despite everything going against them
its something i can only look at with nothing but pure respect

iam still mad over the fact that ML got canceled
instead of all the retarded infighting among the kh fanbase we should all hope that kh4 wont befall the same fate

>>718488785
>iam still mad over the fact that ML got canceled
We can only hope that they are turning it into a console experience.