Thread 718883386

So is he in the clear now or I there still a chance Alvin is evil?

>>718883386 (OP)
100 percent clear. All deers are bastards

Does he really have pink hair? I always assumed he had a Babuska hood on.
I'm only now connecting the dots that it's the same color as Gerson's long pink ponytail

Do you think his pubic hair is pink?

>>718883386 (OP)
He's going to lose his shit when he see's the church is all vandalized and someone has left a note pretending to be his deceased father

But i thought that "the concept of sin" didn't exist in their religion.

>>718883917
>Susie will be thrown in jail instead of going to the festival with Noelle
All according to keikaku

Why did he do it?

>>718884942
He's a menace.

>>718883386 (OP)
I still wouldn't consider him evil even if he was the one that opened the church's fountain somehow. Can't blame the guy for wanting to see his father just one more time.

>the game border for the titan fight has its eyes turn red when it's damaged
>Kris has red eyes in general
>Susie gets red eyes when opening a fountain
I feel like this is significant (somehow), but I can't quite put my finger on why.

Doubt anybody is here from the previous threads, but if so here is a thing I wrote based on some ideas that were discussed. Like most of my greentexts it's way too long:
>Today, at long last, Asriel was going to come back.
>You, obviously, didn't care at all about that.
>Some ugly goat monster coming back from college, who cares?
>But... he was Kris's brothers.
>If you could put aside your dislike for monsters, just a bit, and get close... ish to him, your odds of getting Kris might improve.
>You could at least be on speaking terms again.
>You assume they are going to either QC or ICE-E.
>Mostly because those are the only two restaurants in this town.
>They are right next to each other, so hanging out there won't make you seem too skalker-ish.
>All of this is perfectly normal behaviour…
>Just try to stay away from the creepy mascots.
>You wait a few minutes.
>Then a few more minutes.
>Darn, your phone is starting to run dry.
>Well, you still have a charger.
>...
>Fudge, now it's running dry as well.
>Just as you are about to give up, they finally show up.
>Kris, Asriel(You can just assume that based on his goat like appearance), that kindergarten teacher... and two other humans.
>...Eh?
>They both look about college age.
>One of them looks a lot like Kris. Bit older, just as androgynous, even more slovenly, eyes are seemingly shut for some reason.
>Other one though...
>Deep red eyes. Elegant clothing. Charismatic smile. A expression that would inspire hope in even the most weary soul.
>THAT'S what a human is supposed to look like.
>You can't help but be impressed, even as a perfect example of humanity yourself.
>This entourage walks towards the diner, talking all the while, before entering.
>You wait a minute or two, then head inside yourself.
>Walking inside, the group has already been seated.

>>718886146
>You aren't entirely sure what to do next.
>Try to just... appear innocuous, you guess.
>"What will it be, dear?"
>The furball at the counter asks.
>Right, it’s a dinner. Should probably order something…
>"A coffee, please."
>You've been consistently unimpressed by the food here, but even for monsters coffee should be hard to screw up.
>You sit down at the bar and are soon given your drink.
>You sip it every now and then, waiting for a chance to somehow get involved in this group.
>No such moments arrives though. As they continue to talk and share stories, most of them about either college or various antics Kris and Asriel got up to as kids.
>Your coffee is about to run empty. So, It might be time to give up on this idea.
>Then, suddenly...
>"Oh my, isn’t that Anon?” The kindergarten teacher, Toriel you believe, says. “You know, one of the new Humans I told you about.”
>Apparently, you moving into town constitutes important news among goats
>Actually, what are you saying, of course it would.
>"Huh, so that's her?" Asriel asks. He looks at you, sitting there alone, drinking coffee. "...Are you waiting for somebody?"
>"Uh... No. Just felt like getting some coffee." You say, trying to sound innocuously. "No coffee machine at home."
>Pretty pathetic excuse.
>"Well, why don't you join us, then?" Toriel says. "It's pretty exciting to have another human in this town. Besides, according to Alphys you and Kris have been getting along quite fantastically.”
>For a brief moment, you could bring yourself to kiss a goat. Not a lizard though, you still have too many standards for that.
>Meanwhile, Kris shoots Toriel a look that you are pretty sure could kill somebody, before doing the same thing to you.
>"Sure! That sounds like it might be fun."

Playerfags? Our response?

>>718886229
>You ignore it, obviously. Fortunately, he remains silent.
>Coffee in hand, you sit down next to Asriel. Unlike his mother, he's thin and doesn't take up much space. Good, nothing you hate more than being shoved against a ball of fur.
>"Like Toriel said, my name is Anon.” You say cheerfully while extending your hand.
>"Asriel Dreemurr." The goat boy replies equally cheerfully. Grabbing and shaking your hand with his big furry paws.
>"Eyes on the price, eyes on the price." You tell yourself, trying your hardest not to pull back.
>Once he lets go.
> you gaze over at the other two humans and again extend your hand.
>The human with closed eyes grabs it first.
>"Frisk."
>"Nice to meet you, Frisk."
>He lets go, and you turn towards the other human.
>There's an odd moment of hesitation, then she grabs your hand and shakes it.
>"Chara."
>"Also very nice to meet you, Chara." Ah, it sure is wonderful being among humans again. Or at least a few of them. "I'm assuming you two are college buddies?"
>"Roommates, actually." Chara says.
>”Asriel as well.” Frisk adds.
>You hear a sigh coming from Toriel.
>"To think such things are allowed nowadays..."
>"Mom..." Asriel says somewhat annoyed. "Don't be like that when there are kids around."
>"Oh, I'm sorry for being so traditional. But the idea of girls and boys staying in the same room together doesn't sit well with me."
>"Sure didn't stop you when it came to us two." Kris mumbled in the corner. Though you don't think anybody else noticed.
>"I can certainly understand your trepidations, Miss Dreemurr." Chara said with an unwaveringly polite tone. Beffiting his appearance and mannerism, it seems to be a default for him. "But you need not worry. Asriel was a perfect gentlemen. He never even considered laying a hand on me... Before we started dating, anyhow."

>>718886307
>Eh...?
>"Y-You and Asriel, are dating?" You say, surprised.
>"Well, yes. Been going steady for a while already." Chara replied like it was the most natural thing in the world.
>You had to stop yourself from throwing up on the spot.
>This beautiful shining example of humanity... Dating an walking ball of fur and horns masquerading as a person.
>It disgusts you on an emotional, spiritual, and physical level.
>”I-I see…” Is all you could mutter however.
>”Now that introductions are done… Anon, why don’t you tell ab-“
>Before Toriel could continue, her face suddenly became far more downcast as she spotted something in the window.”
>”Oh no… It’s him.”
>You looked at where Toriel was looking… and spotted a third goat monstrosity heading towards the dinner. This one carrying a bundle of flowers in his arm.
>”Is that… dad?” Asriel said with at least some excitement. Which almost instantly turned into horror upon noticing the flowers. “Oh, Don’t tell me he is going to…”
>”Yep, he is.” Kris again commented dryly. “As usual…”
>Asriel started getting up, seemingly looking to intercept his dad. Toriel followed, trying to do the exact opposite of that. Which left Kris, who seemingly just got up just to get away from you.
>Again, rude.
>That left you alone with Frisk and Chara.
>A somewhat awkward silence erupted. Until suddenly…
>”Hey, you want that cookie?”
>Frisk said, pointing at the sweet lying on your coffee tray.
>”Uh… feel free to take it. Trying to watch my line.”
>Frisk nodded and eagerly helped himself to the cookie.
>”You want a piece?” He asked Chara.
>”No chocolate?” Frisk nodded. “Then no.”
>Frisk nodded and instantly shoved the cookie into his mount.
>That kid sure does have a way of living up the room.

so what was the point of the dark fountain in the church again

>>718886281
I look like this and I do this.

>>718885581
red is determination, which is the embodiment of protagonism.

>>718886408
>”Say, Chara.” You ask, trying to keep what social little momentum remains going. “Do you mind if I ask you a question.”
>Chara’s eyes wander over to you casually.
>”Feel free. This is a social event, is it not?”
>”Well, uh… I’m curious about Asriel.” That was why you came here in the first place, yes. “What kind of a person is he?”
>”As a person or… boyfriend.”
>”Uh…”
>You really weren’t 100% sure how that answer that question.
>”Well, it hardly matters. The answer is the same either way: Wonderful.”
>”I… Uh… See.” Sounds like she really does care about that goat boy, hard though it might be to believe. “But, like, what KIND of wonderful is he.”
>”Exactly the type he appears to be.”
>”Gonna have to agree with Chara.” Frisk adds. “What you see is what you get with Azzy. Don’t think there is anybody else who wears his heart on his sleeve as much as him.”
>”I can think of one person…” Chara says before sipping some of his chocolate milk. “But yes, his honesty and earnestness is one of the reasons I fell for him the way I did.”
>”Huh, he sure sounds wonderful...” Yeah, right, an honest monster. That will be the day. “Well, if nothing else, he sure does seem to be very lucky.”
>Chara turns her head. “How so?”
>”A boy dating a girl like you is a minor miracle, if you ask me.”
>Chara went silent for a few seconds. A few very, VERY uncomfortable seconds.
>”Ah, I see. Well, then, I think you might be mistaken. If there is a miracle, it is somebody like me ending up with a guy with him.”
>”I-I guess… If you feel that way.”
>Why do you get the feeling you are about to have a bad time?
>”I do feel that way, I have no doubt about that. A person like me… they don’t deserve a boy like him.”

>>718886461
Same as chapter 2 - Noelle.

>>718886592
>”Hey now, don’t be like that.” Frisk says, interjecting once again. “Azzy would be sad if he heard you say that.”
>”Ah, yes, of course Frisk. You are correct.” Chara took another sip of his chocolate milk. “But, doesn’t that say it all? Somebody that caring… It would be a miracle to end up with such a person, don’t you agree?”
>Chara’s red eyes bore into you, as if they were trying to take hold of your very soul. It made you rather uncomfortable.
>”I… I guess you are pretty lucky, yes.”
>You doubt that sounded very sincere.
>”Yes… I really am.” Chara said, removing his gaze from you. “What about you though? A human like you, moving to a small rural town filled with monsters can’t be easy. Especially when you are so obviously a city gal.”
>”…H-How do you?”
>”Haha, sorry. I’m not one for playing amateur sleuth. It’s just… the way you dress and talk makes it pretty obvious.”
>“I… I guess.” Seriously though, how the hell did she figure that out so quickly. “As for the town… It hasn’t been all bad.”
>“Not all bad, huh…” Chara’s tone, still unflatteringly polite and elegant, is honestly starting to make you feel uncomfortable. “…I’m assuming moving here wasn’t your idea.”
>”Y-Yeah… My parents, thought it would be good if me and my little brother got closer to nature growing up.
>”A very sensible opinion, at least I like to think so. Still, can’t have been easy for you. The air, the lack of commodities…” Chara’s gaze again meets your own. “…The people.”
>”O-Oh… D-Don’t worry about that.” You say with an obviously fake wave. “T-The people have been… lovely.”
>”Of course. Them being lovely towards you, that was never in question. I’m assuming a girl like you must have already made quite a few good friends.”
>”W-Well, I don’t know if I would say ‘good” friends…”

>>718886461
Script says there needs to be one there. The Knight is just following the script.

>>718886742
>”Toriel sure seemed to think so. At least, when it comes to you and Kris. Granted, she did seem to be going off second hand information...” Her deep red eyes again bore into you. This time even more intensely, as if she has gone from merely holding your soul to trying to destroy it altogether. “…You are Kris are actually friends, right?”
>”I… Uh… We two… Look…”
>You find yourself stuttering like a little kid that just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. All the while Chara continues to look at you, an almost unchanging perfect smile on her face. Yet… The more you look back the more you realize that smile…
>”Chara, you’re being weird again.” Frisk, who you almost forgot was even there, says. Before giving their friend a firm if friendly slap on the back. “Stop being weird.”
“Ah, um, yes.” Chara replied. Finally removing his gaze and lowering his head. “I apologize, anon. I have a bad habit of talking too much.”
>”I-It’s fine…”
>It really wasn’t.
>”She used to be way worse.” Frisk replies with a somewhat mischievous smile. “You should have seen her when we first met.”
>”Yes... I was quite the character back then.” You are thankful to whatever god is willing to listen that you never had to meet THAT Chara. “I’ve changed since then. Or at least, I like to think I do.”
>”You have. Even if you do still carry a pocket knife everywhere.”
>This would, under most other circumstances, be the point where you would start running.

>>718886281
>>718886520
i dont get it

>>718886851
>”Better safe than sorry. That part of my personal philosophy really hasn’t changed. What has, however, is that I’ve learned not always judge things based on personal preconceptions and biases. Not all stones are made of the same cloth…” Again, she briefly gazes at you. Causing a shiver to run through your body. “…But then, I’m sure you don’t need to be lectured on such things.”
>You look away from Chara, turning towards the last few pitiful remnants of coffee left in your cup, Most likely already almost cold.
>”N-No, I don’t…”
>Chara and Frisk continue to talk. Though you feel utterly left out of the conversation. A few moments later, Asriel, Toriel, and even Kris all return. Having apparently sorted out the whole dad business.
>The group soon continues their pleasantry. Though some temptation to excuse yourself exists, you decide against it.
>Even so… You remain silent for almost all of the conversations. Only occasionally joining when a question is asked of you.
>During all of it, you feel utterly out of place.
>When it’s done. You politely excuse yourself, shake everybody’s hands, and head home without further incident.
>Even so, during all of that, you couldn’t bring yourself to look Chara in the face.
>Or Kris, for that matter.

>>718886848
the prophecy doesn't even mention the church

>>718884419
It doesn't. But Alvin is still rather horrified when Kris comes to up to him and explained how Dess took her to the woods and did all kind of weird things with him.

when susie

>>718886281
>white soul
...huh. desskris soulswap theory may actually be onto something.

>>718887075
I still think this comic is probably the best theory to what happened: https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1mi66va/the_splitting_paths/

>>718883386 (OP)
>Alvin finds the church absolutely wrecked
>Finds a barely literate note on his desk the next morning
>His father's ashes disturbed
Yeah nah if he's not evil he's going to be SO PISSED OFF in Chapter 5.

How psychotic will she be in Chapter 5?

>>718887075
That would be based. I hate the player = soul shit.

>>718885245
The problem is: If he knew his father was dead then opening the fountain would bring back a zombie like the time Susie opened one. (Ralsei was lying, the statue didn't look like that at all).

It would only work if he opened the fountain or someone who opened the fountain had no knowledge of what the hammer with the dust contained because they wouldn't inherently link it to a dead guy.

>>718887156
In Weird Route?

Probably less psychotic as much as just broken. Empty soulless stare mimicking what her few memories remember happiness felt like. Perfect empty shell that will do your will.

>>718886703
but noelle wasn't there

>>718887075
White Soul being Kris + Us working together would make for a hell of a powerup in Chapter 7. Like when we're in agreement about something, that's when Kris gets a powerup.

>>718887156
>The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy.

Actions like dumping your ao3 fanfiction is why these threads get deleted

>>718887320
>Dad is going to die
>Crush won't be into her
What's the final twist that will make her go full ice queen? Her believing Kris never cared about her? Dess being confirmed 100% dead?

>>718887281
Well gee, I wonder whose fault is that?

>>718887386
Hey man, people seemed interested last time.

Granted, as usual, things got out of hand.

>>718887386
No, they get deleted no matter what because janny is tranny.

>>718887143
Damn, that's actually really good.

>>718887447
for what it's worth, I liked reading what you wrote.

>>718887535
Aw, thanks. I liked writing it as well. College Chara is fun to write.

>>718887386
It's cringey as fuck and I never read that shit, but at least it's original content unlike the 60th snoyjak thread this afternoon

>>718887617
What about the porn ones?

>>718883386 (OP)
He's 100% not the Knight but it's still suspicious that he dug up his father's grave
What was he planning to do with it? Does he know about Dark Worlds? Did he just want to have it near him for some reason?

>>718887980
It could be that Gerson's corpse was never buried in the graveyard.

>>718887238
I don't think that's how the dust revival thing works
It's not properly elaborated on beyond Ralsei being a vague fucker and saying "it only happens in specific darknesses" but I got the vibe it's based on whether you closely knew the person when they were alive
Susie only moved to Hometown years after Gerson died so she never met him, while Gerson was probably Dess's teacher so her fountain revives him
If it works like this, Alvin could certainly revive Gerson

>>718887023
Asriel confessed Kris's sins so there obviously is

>>718887458
I think it's a pretty believable theory, only real question is how Kris got his soul out(Granted, he seems able to do that whenever he wants right now so it's not THAT hard ot imagine). Also it would be hilarious for "The knight is Kris" fans to still be correct in the long term.

>>718888363
Asriel "confessing Kris's sins" is from the exact dialogue where Alvin SAID there's no concept of sin in their religion
He probably got the idea of sin from other existing religions like Christianity (which likely exists in Deltarune because Christmas)

>>718888318
>"Yeesh, Kris. Remember the time you kissed me on the mouth after we watched a movie where we saw two adults do it."
>"Felt so weird to feel your tongue touching me."
>"Afterwards you even told me that we'll do the rest when we are married."
>"Why don't you do pranks like that anymore?"

>>718888450
I like the implication that Toriel was raised Christian.

>>718886461
Either Alvin or Toriel know the Delta Rune code
If Carol (the mastermind) actually wants Toriel captured and hasn't just been using her as bait, then having The Knight wait for her to show up for choir practice at the Church makes sense. Toriel fails to show up because of the rain, but we know from the last Chapter that The Knight is not particularly eager to capture her anyway, and is happy to just fight with the Heroes and keep them busy (they're obligated to "duel" according to the Prophecy).
If Alvin was keeping the Delta Rune code, he's probably already been kidnapped like Undyne and we won't find out until Chapter 5. The Church being wrecked at the end of the Chapter could have been signs of a struggle when The Knight physically came and took Alvin away in the Light World. If Alvin had the code and is at least somewhat aware about the Dark Worlds and that he might be in danger, that would explain why he was keeping Gerson's remains in his desk. The first fountain in the Church entrance, which brought Gerson to life and is inexplicably depicted as more thin than any of the other fountains we've seen, might have been created by Alvin in an attempt to defend himself against The Knight (or summon Gerson to aid the Heroes).
In this scenario The Knight sticks around in the Church for similar reasons: their objective has already been accomplished, and now they can distract the Heroes from what's really going on, waste their time, and test their strength for the future.

If humans can just rip their soul out why didn't Chara do that and have Asriel absorb it instead of slowly killing himself

>>718883821
He gets it from his father

>>718888765
1: Undertale and Deltarune humans are different. 2: It's possible, assuming this isn't Kris real soul, that's why he can do this. 3: Something in the bunker made him able to do it. 4: Chara was clearly suicidal and wanted to kill himself.

>>718888678
Alvin knows the church code, Asgore and Undyne know the cop code, and Carol knows the last one.

>>718888839
>UT Gerson is yellow-green and blond
>DR Gerson is green and pink
Are those differences just because of his age or...?

>>718888492
>"You know how long it took to remove all the ticks?"

>>718889048
Dess also knows the code, seemingly.

>>718889103
UT Gerson was most likely at least a decade older than DR Gerson, so he grayed and got paler as he aged.

>>718889048
>>718889110
Carol and Dess obviously know all of the codes already, they wouldn't have access to the Shelter otherwise
They're kidnapping the other people who know to prevent (You) and Susie from learning them and getting into the Shelter to stop them

>>718887456
You're right but it doesn't help

>>718889283
Do you think they abducted Alvin in chapter 4?

>>718889103
It could be from the Dark World changing your color (this actually happens with every Lightner but Toriel if you pay attention, not just Kris turning blue)
Perhaps his natural hair color is pink and it lost color from aging, but the Dark World's color saturation made it pink again

>>718887404
futa bulge

>>718889349
>>718889275
>>718889203
>>718888895
>>718888795
>>718888713
Kris and Noelle being happy disgusts me. They need to be miserable and forced to be with each other.

>>718889103
>(...) YELLOW
>(...) PINK

>>718889424
no
mammoth toe

>>718889103
>>718889272
In Undertale, Gerson is at least as old as Asgore (centuries old, before the war) but isn't immortal/unaging because he's not a Boss Monster
Gerson and Toriel and Asgore probably aren't hundreds of years old in Deltarune. In Deltarune's more mundane setting a very old monster like Gerson would have just died of old age.

>>718889474
>YOU DO CARE!

>Kris and Noelle
>Kris and Susie
Why do these ships seem to affect people on a almost primal level?

>>718884419
What the fuck is their religion if there's no sin and no confession

>>718889921
Basically just the prophecy and worshipping the angel as a somewhat god like figure.

Rise and shine, Mr. Dreemurr...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0hO1WIqYhY

Reminder that the final boss is not Gaster

>>718886281
You again. No one cares dude. Press x to be cool. It's the same. The SOUL is the Player. Accept it.

>>718890057
If Friend is supposed to be a Flowey equivalent will he be a dead person like Asriel?

I want Kris to kiss Asriel

>>718890238
>The coffin of Kris and Asriel.

>>718889972
That's barely a religion at all. I also thought the juice would represent blood of a holy figure, but it's not. It's just juice. It's a pretty lame religion

>>718889364
I think it's likely. The Church is the closest building in town to The Shelter. Undyne being kidnapped first means there won't be any effective police response to more people disappearing.
Dess ran in and grabbed him in broad daylight (or, rain). She could have been ordered to make the move when Carol got the call about Susie finding the guitar (when talking on the phone earlier the plan was "church... tonight..." which makes it seem like things might have been expedited, but the plan was always to target the church). The Dark Fountain(s) were made and she waited for Kris to bring Susie there.
Alvin making the Fountain in the entrance gives some plausible explanation as to why that fountain was different (he's an old man and deeply unsure of himself, so he has less Determination than The Knight/Kris/Susie) and is the best explanation for how Gerson was resurrected, which Ralsei claims can only happen in very specific circumstances. (It's plausible that The Knight (Dess) also had a significant connection to Gerson, he was her teacher and probably a mentor to her too, but that's more of a stretch than the fountain just being made by his own son).

It's also possible that Alvin is in on the conspiracy in some way, like Asgore, and could have even been the one hiding in the back room the whole time, but that seems unlikely. I don't think Kris would directly ask Alvin about The Shelter in that case, and whether Alvin is in on it or not he's still a loose end to be tied up.

>>718889770
It's so true and I say it every day

>>718890530
I think Alvin probably just knows more than most but isn't in on the conspiracy. I can't see him putting Kris in harm's way. Same reason I don't think Asgore is in it all that deep.

>>718890550
>Kris ten seconds after becoming president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brTeI8X-SoQ

Imagine the smelle...

>>718886281
They don't have one. This is irrefutable.

>>718891085
do you think Toby will make fun of us when he confirms that Dess is not the knight?

>>718891264
>when he confirms that Dess is not the knight?
I need a Dess/Knight version of this image

>>718891264
Nah.

But Carol will get a lampshade.

>>718886959
Anon here who requested it. I liked it. Only nitpick is that I don't like Male Frisk, but it's your story. I liked how Chara disarmed the racist girl. Very fun.

Dess is the Knight, this will not be a twist. It's obviously telegraphed and there won't be any subversions.
The twist will be that the person making the dark worlds isn't the Knight.

>>718891264
I'm a staunch Rudy Knighter myself, I have no attachment to Dess Knight

>>718891085
I much prefer her little sister's pristine pussy.

>>718887386
It was good, anon. Stop being mean.

what if dess is blonde

>>718888765
Kris case is special.

>>718889921
not really unheard of some underworlds are just a place you go when you die but there's an exclusive VIP underworld for good boys

>>718891680
She will be white furred like Carol with Rudy's dark hair.

why does CHARA let me do such terrible things
why is she so evil

>>718891397
>Anon here who requested it. I liked it.
Aw, thanks.

>Only nitpick is that I don't like Male Frisk,
I tried to write Frisk as gender ambiguous(In contrast with clearly female Chara and clearly male Frisk) but probably fucked up the pronouns here and there. I tend to struggle with that every now and then and just default to he no matter who I write about. As in: I've caught myself using "He" even for people like Noelle or Sussie if I don't pay close attention.

>>718891893
Noelle is into it, she's just shy.

>>718891680
Dess is a natural blond that dyes her hair like a reverse Japanese delinquent.

>>718891473
I think the twist will be that the Knight is a Dess/Kris hybrid and "Kris" is actually a soulless leftover body(Yes, like that comic).

>Toby had this card swapped out for a different card in the official Tarot card set
>Toby hasn't made an official Chara or Frisk plush
>Toby has a rule against lightners getting official merch
What does it all mean

>>718892017
>Toby hasn't made an official Chara or Frisk plush
But they both have gotten official merch in other ways.

>>718892017
Lots of unprotected sex with Noëlle and Susie.

>>718891917
>but probably fucked up the pronouns here and there. I tend to struggle with that every now and then and just default to he no matter who I write about. As in: I've caught myself using "He" even for people like Noelle or Sussie if I don't pay close attention.
Yeah, there were a lot of times where Frisky was referred as a "he". It happens. It's just a personal preference, not enough to knock the greentext down or anything.

>>718891893
>It's not my fault
>I'm not to blame
>It is the fallen girl
>The demon who set this flame
>It's not my fault
>If in the Fox's plan
>He made the devil so much stronger than a man!

>>718891397
It was neat but it always bothers me when kris and chara are depicted together because kris is the deltarune version of chara. frisk is the vessel or has no/unknown equivalent

>>718891945
So is Kris, he's just a tsundere chuuni.

>>718891893
I unironically believe Kris is the one canonically pulling the "Chara made me do it!!!11!" defense. Except instead of Chara, it's us.

>>718892190
I'm going off the assumption that Chara and Frisk are Asriel's college buddies and separate from Frisk. Mostly because it's fun.

>>718892190
This is also my headcanon, but I like college AU takes. It's fun, that's why I requested it.

>>718892295
That's fair enough but I've had beef with that specific interpretation for years
but keep making shit anon it's based, not enough OC these days

>>718892271
Kris genuinely seems to have repressed psychopathic tendencies. He is most likely totally into breaking Noelle like this, but he also hates himself for the fact he enjoys it and also hates Noelle for making it so easy.

>>718892278
Like I said, I think on some level he does want this but, like Kotomine from Fate Stay Night, he still suffers from having an clear understanding of right and wrong. You undo all of his effort to try and restrain himself and not harm others, and he hates you for that even if he secretly enjoys causing Noelle pain.

>>718892278
That's canon already. >>718892271
Kris is a new age Charafag.

>>718891338
Already is one, numbnuts, crop it yourself

>>718886281
the soul is dess. humans can't consume human souls, remember?

>>718892190
The biggest twist is that Kris is the equivalent of the Patience human.

>>718892454
Honestly, I really REALLY doubt it's going to be canon. It's mostly just a fun thing to do. Basically a college AU without actually being a AU (Since it can, right now, still plausible happen within canon).

Kris has a lot in common with Chara, the main difference being that he seemed to have had a somewhat happy childhood while Chara's childhood was bad enough that offing himself out of revenge was plausible.

>>718887156
>>718887264
her brain will be mush when this is over

>>718892697
By the end of it, using her up will be a mercy.

>>718886461
alvin wanted to give gerson a shadow crystal so he could finish his book series. none of the fountains were made by the knight.

chapter 1 - ???
chapter 2 - noelle
chapter 3 - kris
chapter 4 - alvin
chapter 5 - asgore

the knight "makes". the player also "makes" in chapter 2 weird route. none of that involved opening a fountain.

>mentally unstable girl who's life is going to shit
>weird route is just you further torturing her while also giving her ungodly powers
she's going to shoot up the school in the weird route isn't she?

>>718891264
>this ends up being canon

>>718892839
>The school
Think bigger.

>>718891841
you mean like this?

>>718892808
How the fuck would Noelle know how to make a dark fountain?

>>718892190
kris isn't the deltarune chara retard. UT and DR have three entities

the creator
the vessel
the one we don't get to name

frisk and kris are both unnamed characters. they're unique individuals in the story.
chara is in the creator slot.
UT doesn't have a "vessel"

>>718891473
>>718892808
Why would King and Queen lie about who made their Dark World?

>>718893000
carol

>>718893007
>the creator
>the vessel
>the one we don't get to name

>The father
>The holy spirit
>The son

I'm going full christpill every day.

>>718893007
Kris is Chara in Frisk's role. Vessel is Frisk in Chara's role. Underswap was canon.

>>718893052
King admitted he never saw the Knight and was only told about him by Jevil. With this precedent, it's possible (probable) it was the same with Queen.

>>718893132
ur mums on my cannon

>>718892839
If we hadn't used up miss White Mage before the metaphorical Hometown massacre during the mantle minigame, I'd be far more worried about the shit Noelle could pull in the Light World

>>718892278
That would be a funny twist. He's acting like a psycho because he thinks he can blame it on a demon but it'll become clear as the game goes on that he's not in his right mind.
And on the flipside you have the weird route which is the opposite, he's telling the truth but no one believes him.

>>718892808
>chapter 2 - noelle
noelle explicitly doesn't know that the dark worlds were even real. what did she just decide to stab the floor for the funnie and just didn't question everything afterwards

>>718893000
Repressed memories. Just like a certain spell.

>>718892657
>items are a (toy) knife and a ribbon
>kris has an actual knife and can wear ribbons, is also cyan in the dark world
im nooticing

>>718893175
Queen never clearly saw The Knight, but she and everyone else in the Cyber World still somehow intuitively know about "The Knight"
She even knows that they're "The Roaring Knight" when she doesn't even know what "The Roaring" is

UNDERTALE BE SHELTERS DARK WORLD
AWAKEN SHEEPLE

>>718892278
the funny talking rag flat out says that

>>718893304
>>718892657
>Kris didn't even make it past the ruins without dying
Lol, pathetic.

>>718893007
I mean, UT also got three humans.
Frisk
Chara
and that one with unused sprites.

>>718892987
Yeah, just not that snouty and deerish

>>718893052
the knight is a fear/nightmare darkner embodying the passage of time and fear of the future. simply put...

it's a clock.

as the hand drifts forward, time goes around. the world revolves. dark worlds open. fate is fulfilled.

>>718889921
There's no concept of sin in Deltarune's religion because sin is offense against God, not simply crime or bad actions. The residents of Hometown worship the Angel implied to be (You). Tricky Tony has no way of knowing or caring what (You) personally would consider an offense against (You)rself, and therefore Hometown's religion has no sin.

Isn't the fact that Ralsei was wrong about Susie being able to equip ribbons like a big deal?

>>718893408
I find it interesting though how both Asriel and Toriel clearly do. Implying that, Toriel at least, might have actually originally been raised christian or whatever.

>>718893397
Anon, the Holiday family canonically has fucking hooves.

>>718893408
Which means it's a-ok to fill Noelle's womb to the brim.

>>718893343
Undertale happened inside of a mountain, not a shelter

>kris is actually le psycho theory
its all so tiresome

>>718890120
Yes yes we get it, you can't accept literal proof of the opposite.

>>718893226
I already answered this, it's carol. the "royal pin" noelle was given is a push pin from carol's conspiracy board. the plot of the entire chapter is how queen (i.e. carol) is trying to turn noelle into a knight copycat.

>>718893436
Susie's entire role is being the metaphorical spanner in the works. She's too much of a free spirit to be tied down. The only thing that can tie her down is her own trauma and trust issues which are going to destroy her soon.

>>718893436
Susie can equip ribbons, she just chooses not to.

>>718893436
In the sense that it proves Susie wasn't the intended "girl" in the prophecy? Yes.

>>718892657
Would be funny, but Kris has no patience whatsoever. Remember Susie's idea was to wait outside the church and ambush the Knight, but Kris didn't want to wait

>>718893183
Sans Deltarune...

>>718893408
>he thinks he's in the game
delusional

>>718893498
I don't think he's a psycho, but he is clearly very troubled. He MIGHT just be chuuni, a lot of kids think they are a dangerous edgy rebel when they are just kind of a dumb screw up. But I don't think it's entirely implausible that he does have genuine repressed psychopathic desires.

>>718893451
Fundamentalist misunderstands her own religion, news at eleven.

>>718893498
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that kid ain't a saint like most of the fandom still believes him to be.

>>718893568
Also he didn't want to wait in chapter 1 to eat the pie. He got up in the middle of the night to steal the entire thing. That's not patience

>>718893498
kris isn't a total psycho, but momentary intrusive thoughts are enough for the soul to capitalize on and force him to do things he really doesn't want to do

>>718893568
why would kris wait when he's literally allied with the knight, dumbass?

>>718893492
TOWN IS ON MOUNTAIN
HOLE MADE BY ROARING
UNDERTALE MONSTERS DARKNERED DUST

EVERYONE IS DEAD NOELLE KILLED THEM ALL and it's all CHARA's fault what an absolute bitch she'll be able to stop us manipulating Noelle at any time.

>>718889921
It's just an excuse so Toby can have gay couples without touching the subject of religious discrimination or something o algo desu

>>718893451
asriel only does because toriel would punish him and kris for 'sinning'
kris doesn't seem to care but asriel clearly did

>>718893656
>you honour, the soul made me do it
>all of it
>yes, Noelle's 20 children too

>>718893810
yes

>>718893568
Because Kris doesn't actually want the Knight to be found?

>>718893720
Isn't Toby literally part of the one Christian denomination that isn't against gay people???

>>718893007
I get where you're coming from but I think that's thinking too restrictively about the roles
It's as simple as
>green and yellow striped shirt, red eyes, edgy streak, sibling of asriel and adopted child of asgore and toriel, love of sweets, distaste for other humans
There's not really exacts. The vessel could be the frisk equivalent, maybe kris is supposed to represent chara and frisk.
I don't think that it's going to be too restrictive, because I get the impression it doesn't matter much at all in the story. Something neat to think about, but not bound too tightly.

>>718893810
>I DID NOT RAPE HER ITS BULLSHIT

>>718893720
Episcopalean church is pro-LGBT though

>>718893720
Toby is a fake Christian in a fake Christian church.

>>718893629
Fandom pendulum with Kris swings back and forth. At first everybody assumed he was going to be Chara 2.0 and go on a murder spree. There was a brief moment early on during the weird route discovery where people still thought that was all his doing. Since then, Kris clearly being against the weird route during chapter 4 also just gives him a lot mileage that let people overlook all of the insanely sketchy shit we learned about him.

He's a dumb teenager in way over his head, probably being manipulated by people and forces way above his ability to handle, and who is clearly immensely broken up about what he has to do even as he continues to do it. He's flawed as fuck, but it's hard to argue he's entirely evil either unless you are very stupid or a massive contrarian. I think discussions of Kris as a character probably won't really actually go anywhere until we get the full picture.

guys
what if
guys guys listen
what if the knight
ok hear me out

what if the knight was susie

>>718893568
idk man kris seems to tolerate a lot more bullshit than the average person
we also know that kris is taking orders from who ever is on the other end of the phone, pretty much everything involving dark worlds is part of that
iirc kris also told susie that toriel might be inside the church dark world and could be in danger, being patient there would be putting her in danger if it was the case

>>718893810
>I put a heart inside of her.
>That counts as consent.

>>718889921
Sin and confession don't really mean anything to a species whose souls erode into oblivion when they die, in case you haven't thought of that.
There's no afterlife that waits for them, just literal nothingness.

>>718893974
Obvious troll. Only way that could work is time travel and Knight being some kind of future Susie that killed Kris and then spend the rest of her life hating herself for it.

>>718894091
i knew youd get it
makes more and more sense the more you think about it

Kris will thank me when he's married and has 50 kids

>>718894031
>There's no afterlife that waits for them, just literal nothingness.
Technically they'll just reincarnate the next time the player starts the game.

>>718894127
I won't dismiss it on the basis that it's hypothetically possible. I don't like time travel suddenly being involved (And don't give me that "Player can time travel" shit) but thematically and logically it might work. Same reason why Knight being Future Noelle might also work.

>>718894174
>50 kids
>Each one more psychopathic than the last.
>Youngest one is just deer hannibal lector.

>>718894269
every darkner a member of castle town

>>718893929
If two monsters fuck, what is the race of the resulting children
There is no such thing as a goatdeer.

>>718894031
it should, because it would be something that conceptually remains when all else fades. the fact that you did something even if the rest of you is dust.

>>718894174
Noelle was literally about to kiss Kris in the weird route. This isn't improbable.

>>718894539
probably almost 100% either of the parent's types, with maybe a couple cosmetic features from the other

>>718893568
human soul traits are ironic. the patience soul is incredibly impatient, which is why it dies first.
the red soul is love, which is why it's so incredibly psychopathic.

>>718894174
>He thinks he's the soul

I hope Toby addresses the fact that Ralsei is essentially an Uncle Tom

How many retards are going to scream "bad writing" when the Knight doesn't turn out to be Dess?

>>718889921
>>718890362
Their religion is weird and vague because the prophecy of the Light world is meant to represent the Dark world's prophecy, not the contrary. Its meaning has been lost and nobody knows that it means but this convenient group of two lightners and the darkner cursed with knowledge.
Probably because the entirety of Deltarune including the Light world is a script Gaster is running in his basement's computer

>>718894752
the same amount that shit out their ass with mike
not that i'm saying that the knight isn't dess, but i feel like toby would have at least a decent explanation if it's not

>>718894752
I am going to scream "bad writing" when the Knight doesn't turn out to be Dess.

>>718894752
Me because I can't really see a more satisfying narrative alternative to Dessknight, I don't reject Carol or Rudy on their evidence I just think they would make for some lame ass knights

>>718894930
Rudy would be a based roaring knight because it would tie his sickness to monster determination abuse

>>718893868
the shirt is a mask, it's not kris' shirt. it's your shirt.

>>718894752
Depends on why. Dessknight makes sense from a narrative standpoint. It explains why Kris is willing to help her, why he doesn't want Noelle involved, why Carol might be involved, why Kris and the Knight might be working on their own plan against whoever's behind the main conspiracy, why everything had to wait until Asriel left town, etc. If the Knight isn't Dess then there would need to be a satisfying reason why. My only problem with Dessknight is it wouldn't make sense that she could just pop out and make fountains in the light world, especially the computer lab which was made after Noelle and Berdly arrived, which is why I think the Knight isn't the one making the fountains and has at least one other conspirator in the light world besides Kris.

>>718895141
i still want to know what was up with that kid in the middle

>>718895204
it's the soul.

>>718895287
>inb4 "WTF I'M NOT BROWN"

>>718894737
At least he wasn't the one who killed off every frozen Darkner during Snowgrave route.

>>718895287
Yes, I am orange

>>718895168
>If the Knight isn't Dess then there would need to be a satisfying reason why.
the game gives the knight a motivation: revenge and jealousy.

>* Making fountains... kidnapping people.. like...
>* Why do ya reckon they're doin' it?
>* ... Huh? I... I dunno. Maybe they just...
>* I mean, maybe... they just wanna see everything burn.

>Chapter 5, The Field of Pink and Gold.
>The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy.

>>718895389
>it was baby Trump all along

What the fuck was the Device theory? I'm not watching a 10 hours video just to find out.

why is the deltarune general over on /vg/ so obsessed with tenna gachi with spamton, i get way more krusie and kruselle posting here than i do with the vg's fat dad bod tenna posting. At least when Noelle watches from the chair its funny but gigantic darkner boss bulges are not

>>718895630
IDK but the device is something built by gaster that sans and friend are connected to.

>>718895801
>/vg/
There's your answer

>>718895801
People long for male ryona bait

>Le PLAYER is Le Evil? The game
Genius!

>>718893959
>Kris clearly being against the weird route during chapter 4
People always remember him knocking the soul in the trash can but not Eram calling him out.

>>718895936
But you don't have to be evil if you don't want to be. Kris is just a sunken cost fallacy retard who is too committed to getting his tomboy best friend back even if he has to destroy the world to do it, and no one else views you as an outwardly evil force unless you do Snowgrave, the route where you gaslight a teen girl into killing people under the pretense of "it's a dream, so it's OK" and then making her childhood friend fuck her (not rape, she's totally into it, it's KRIS who gets raped actually) to cement that what happened in "the dream" was actually real.

>>718890057
>ERAM -> MARE
It all makes sense now, it's gonna be a horse and this is Toby's really elaborate AiE fanfic

>>718894752
>>718894827
How many retards are going to defend Toby's shit writing no matter what?

>>718895141
it should also be pointed out that it's technically asriel's sweater/ shirt
as far as we know kris doesn't have any clothes specifically for himself, only hand me downs

what do we make of the numerous allusions to the weird route that show up in the normal route?
My schizo theory:
They are hints and foreshadowing. The intended path through the game is normal route, followed by weird route, followed by a secret third route that is only accessible once the other two routes are completed. This is also a cope for why development is taking so long, there is an entire third of the game being worked on that won't be added till chapter 7 is out.

>>718895204
beta chara/ kris
someone pointed out that it resembles chara in the opening better than the final sprite, and that kris does some suspiciously similar poses to the undertale opening at the end of ch1

>>718890057
this is very very very close but it's got one thing wrong.

friend is gaster.

>>718896196
it depends entirely on how he does it
if it's a kneejerk reaction to people guessing it or if it's some quirk chungus twist like papyrus then it's shit writing
if it's someone like rudy then it's a bit disappointing but understandable because he's one of the few actual candidates, even if he's the more meme one

>>718893568
>Kris's original soul was Patience
>without it, Kris is no longer patient
leepest dore
Also, the captcha for this post is a spoiler

>>718895336
>>718894737
At the end of the day, Darkners are just random trash and objects given form by the Lighters thoughts, they don't actually exist.
Ralsei is right that getting sentimental over them would be silly and inmature.

>>718896476
>rouxls kard
>roaring knight
>kris
what does it mean?

>>718894752
Me, I am gonna be that retard

>>718890238
Saaaaaaaame.

>>718896476
>>718896689
"kris dreemurr" is an anagram of "rk is murderer"

>>718883386 (OP)
He's part of the Knight conspiracy.

end of the game reveals everyone in town except Susie is in on it

>>718894752
I will be screaming "Bad writing" if the knight turns out to be dess.

>>718896523
THEY ARE REAL TO ME, GOD DAMMIT.

>>718896459
Dess Knight is already a bit lame, it's an Asriel/Flowey rehash and before chapter 3 there were ZERO direct hints for that. The Kris Knight theory was right about everything EXCEPT Kris being the Knight.
This plus the Tenna/Mike shit shows how bad Toby is at foreshadowing in Deltarune, which baffles me because the Flowey foreshadowing in Undertale was decent.

>someone like rudy then it's a bit disappointing
Rudy Knight would be a cheap shocking reveal that betrays everything we know about him.

>>718897027
Do you think a papercup or a dice has an actual living soul?

I legitimately hope that Susie continues to be ignorant of Noelle's feelings and never fully understands her

Has there ever been a good argument against Dess Knight besides "I think it's this other character"?
>But Dess is dead
Literally never stated anywhere.
>But Dess is trapped in le code calling for help while you play the game
Chapter 1 takes place years after Dess disappeared. The Chapter 1 ""code"" dialogue starts off calmly asking where she is and then suddenly panicking, which would make sense for someone who recently got lost in darkness, but NOT someone who's been there for years. The dialogue is not concurrent with the chapters, it's from the past.
>But Dess wouldn't be le evil
If she's the Knight she's clearly not in the same state of mind. If you knew about Asriel's pre-death personality before meeting Flowey, you'd think he can't be Flowey too.
None of these arguments hold up whatsoever.

I feel like I'm the only one that drew this connection

>>718897170
Dess can't be the knight because Deltarune is about epic mystery boxes and shocking twists and it'd be unsatisfying if the knight's identity was anything predictable
It should be Noelle's secret grandpa Dasher

>>718897170
The best argument against Dess Knight is that the chapters 3-4 hints are so obvious it's only inevitable Toby will subvert that.

>>718897079
there were some people who were guessing dess knight before ch3 + 4, but i get what you mean
the real issue with the knight is that either it's totally obvious who it is/ a rehash of something toby's done before or a complete out of left field twist just for the hell of it
i think the execution will have to be perfect for it to be at least not a little disappointing, or there's actually multiple knight like what was guessed right after the chapters came out

>>718895801
it's /vg/ , why do you think everyone is resisting going there despite the numerous bans and deletions here? the /vrpg/ thread is less shit than that place.

So far the only thing available for Ralsei's room is the plan, Ice-E cube, ladder, and pillow right? I hope we get to decorate the room a la hidden base in Pokemon

>>718897341
Plush but Ralsei doesn't acknowledge it

>>718897341
there's also the ralsei plush if you gave the gift to him of berdly in ch2, but it replaces the ice-e iirc

>>718895801
The problem with /vg/ isn't that they're fags, the problem is that they're actual fucking schizophrenics
I'm not going back to the fucking tripfag self harm pic zone

>>718897289
Ah yes, Tricky Tony well known for pulling big twists such as...

>>718897289
It's clearly not obvious enough with so many people refusing to believe in it.
Also, why is being "obvious" a bad thing? Deltarune is a fever story dreamed of over 10 years ago, it's not a freaking ARG or Fnaf writing where shit needs to be made up on the spot because fans want to play jigsaw with the story. If this is the story that's the story.

>>718897456
I miss early /utg/. As in, pre 2016 /utg/.

>>718897393
>>718897396
Oh cool I didn't know that. Neat

>>718897079
>This plus the Tenna/Mike shit shows how bad Toby is at foreshadowing in Deltarune, which baffles me because the Flowey foreshadowing in Undertale was decent.
no, people are just missing/ignoring the 50 billion levels of foreshadowing toby has been doing since chapter 2.

>>718897170
dess knight declares the knight to be dess and then picks and chooses evidence like it's a grab bag. dess knight is rife with mandatory asspulls to make its physicality work like "dess is a shadow creature", "dess is a corpse", "dess has magical armor"
the obvious answer is that the knight just looks like that, it is legitimately some tall-as-shit skeletal thing. but this answer clashes with the pre-decided dess knight theory so it's immediately discarded.

>Toby would never do anything similar to a plot point he's already done!
>Except for when he made a chapter where a rectangle-headed guy with a red suit and yellow tie puts you on a game show with a cooking segment and quizzes and has a couple confess their love to each other during a battle against them!

>>718897651
>the knight appearing in the chapter where Dess was mentioned multiple times in the blizzard part of it, wielding a bat, having antlers, moving like an ice skater when all of those things are also Dess traits is just a coincidence bro

>>718883386 (OP)
Strongly doubt that he’s evil, but after Ralsei’s remarks that “specific darknesses” are required to meet dust-based Darkners, there’s a nontrivial possibility that he opened the church fountain. If so, maybe he was manipulated into it. Or maybe the line was just an indicator that the Knight knew Gerson relatively well in life.

>>718897651
>asriel flowey declares flowey to be asriel and then picks and chooses evidence like it's a grab bag. asriel flowey is rife with mandatory asspulls to make its physicality work like "asriel's dust is in the flower", "the flower was injected with determination", "flowey is evil because he used his SAVE power to kill everyone already"
>the obvious answer is that flowey just looks like that, it is legitimately some evil yellow flower thing. but this answer clashes with the pre-decided asriel flowey theory so it's immediately discarded.

>>718897297
I always thought Dess was the second best Knight suspect after Kris, but only because of the Asriel/Flowey parallels (child of the local ruler, gone in a tragic way, missed by everyone, came back as an evil husk through questionable science/magic (last part isn't overtly confirmed so far)) and because the initial set up for her was so vague she could be anything in the story.
I don't think it will be bad this it plays out without a huge twist, but it feels weird/hacky after Toby used Gerson to talk about how predictability hurts a story when he might reuse his old plot again.
I also feel that the Knight might end up as another Asgore as in "she isn't the actual main villain of the story".
>>718897474
>Flowey is Asriel, son of Toriel (the queen by the way) and Asgore (not actually a devil)
>The story told to you in New Home was very incomplete
>>718897487
It's obvious if you pay attention to the hints like the Bat or the weird Dess mentions in that chapter. Players who aren't deep diving into that will be tricked into thinking Carol is the Knight.
>Also, why is being "obvious" a bad thing?
Never said it was.
>it's not a freaking ARG
Then he should stop with all the "hints hidden in the code/unused assets" shit he has been doing since 2015.

>>718897792
Not to mention personally making the Cyber World fountain when Noelle mentions that Dess always wanted to take her to a big city

>>718897170
No one said anything about Dess being dead
and no one said anything about Dess being stuck in the code being something that happened recently We all know that she was there for a while. Besides, Deltarune is probably not going to play out one to one with Undertale so the Flowey comparison is unnecessary

Most of the evidence in favor of Dess knight comes down to people misinterpreting sprites, not reading dialogue, and misunderstanding the story that Toby is trying to tell. The whole bat that transforms into a sword thing is retarded because bats don't have sharp tips, they're blunted. The knight's blade is based off a bronze era sword. They lack guards and are designed to deliver powerful slashes. The shape shifting is another thing that makes it really hard to believe that it's Dess. How in the hell is some lightner supposed to do that WITHOUT resorting to stupid fancannon like "the darkness corrupted her"? If Dess was the knight, why would there need the sacrifices, why wouldn't she visit and comfort Noelle, why would she put herself in so much danger, why would she attack and almost kill one of her best friends?

Dess is not the not but someone that the knight is working towards helping. That's the only way the story could make sense with the info we know right now.
>>718897651
Finally an anon who can see past this theory.
>>718897792
>Dess mentions
She's mentioned directly by Tenna only once during the Lightners live show and referenced by the frog enemies. That's not a lot
>Blizzard
It's TV snow
>Wilding a bat
Bats don't have sharp tips
>Having antlers
Shape shifter plus it's a helmet
>Moves like an ice skater
???

>>718897289
The average player's experience is limited to what the story has presented to them and will never find the game's obscure secrets or seek out shit like the Spamton Sweepstakes. For those players, the obvious villain in the story is Carol.
Dess being The Knight is only obvious if you're a Truck Freak who has been digging up and pouring over every single thing Toby has posted or published in the past decade. A casual fan should still be able to recognize Dess as a possibility, but to them it's a shocking twist character like when Flowey turns out to be Asriel in Undertale, not something that you recognized and knew immediately when she pulled out the bat.

>>718897697
and don't forget
>this weird gameshow host is totally evil!
>actually he is just a goober, the one who told you he is evil was just lying

>>718897289
The average player doesn't even know who the fuck Dess is. She was mentioned like three times before Chapter 4.

>>718898012
carol and dess are both turbo-normie theories

>>718897992
>She's mentioned directly by Tenna only once during the Lightners live show and referenced by the frog enemies
She's mentioned by Tenna, we have a whole minigame with a song very obviously connected to her, she's mentioned by the diamond enemies, there's the gacha secret room and the 1225 code appears again nigga

>>718897992
>No one said anything about Dess being dead
Wrong, I've seen it used to "debunk" Dess being the knight countless times.
>no one said anything about Dess being stuck in the code being something that happened recently
Wrong, I've seen it used to "debunk" Dess being the knight countless times.
Just because it's not in this current thread doesn't mean I can't use it as an example of invalid counter-points the fandom at large uses.

>>718898079
>the average player doesn't even know who the fuck FRIEND is. it was mentioned like once in chapter 3

>>718898012
that's complete nonsense
it's obvious to even a casual player that Dess' disappearance is the center of the larger mystery of why the adult world is falling apart and the source of both Kris' and Noelle's trauma. From even just that it makes perfect sense to assume the knight is a Dess rendered insane by prolonged exposure to the dark world, and isolation.

>>718895801
>tenna gachi
People still make gachimuchi edits?

>>718898087
Yeah it's gotta be Rudy because Tricky Tony is a heckin subversion gawd who loves setting up hints just to rugpull them and say "hahaha this plot point was fake and you're stupid!" every 2 minutes

>>718897992
Regardless of whether Dess is the Knight, the Knight having an identity in the light world was implied by Susie after she saw them running away with Undyne, but couldn’t see them clearly. Either they’re a “corrupted” Lightner or if they’re a Darkner or other being, they operate by rules we haven’t been introduced to. That’s not an asspull.

so like does susie have no parents or house ?
I feel like they're not even mentioned in passing like other characters, it's like they don't exist

>>718897992
>???

people think this thing is december

>>718898182
that hasn't happened once

>>718898267
It’s because of the pie at the start of Ch2; ruined all fan theories forever.

>>718893498
Nobody said that

>>718898182
the knight being a holiday at all is the most turbo-normie interpretation possible.

>>718898212
dancing is a major theme in the game well beyond the vague ice-skating connection. in fact, it seems most connected to cats.

>>718898267
Exactly.
Having it anyone other than Dess or Carol would be shitty writing because it's literally just setting up "red herrings" for no reason.
This isn't fucking FNAF.

>>718898087
I can't believe everyone is assuming The Knight must be a reindeer just because they have giant reindeer antlers as the most distinct defining feature of their design

>>718898142
A "casual player" did not find out that Dess is lost in the dark by learning about the "UNUSED" text
I understand that it's difficult after four+ years of schizoposting with other Truck Freaks on here but you really ought to consider what a normal person's experience with the game so far would be

I think the phoneposter who thinks the knight is "Michael Cattenheimer" and exclusively refers to Dess as December is the worst recurring poster

>>718898267
>kris pie
>kris knight
>mike

>>718895801
they banished krusie to the /sus/ general on trash and krisnoelle to /doe/

>>718897456
they are absolutely fags

>>718898379
I've literally never engaged with any of these threads since chapter 2 release and I just finished chapter 3 and 4 yesterday, seemed obvious to me
I dunno what this "unused" text is but whatever it is, it's not required to come to that conclusion

>>718898208
She's a foster kid who lives in the apartments

>>718898379
the knight has bull horns

>>718898379
but tobert is directly referencing the truck freaks like the mike stuff

>>718896872
Based Rudy Knight patriot.

>>718898328
Nigga Dess has ice skates beneath her bed. There is a glaring and obvious connection between her and the Knight. Its weapon literally is a bat before it shifts into a sword.

The reason why the Knight is going to be one of the predictable options like Dess is because the identity of the Knight is nowhere close to the biggest mystery in the game. There's no reason for that to be a twist when you still have at least three separate layers of mystery above the Knight that still need to be explained and answered.

Alphys is a big player in the story and nobody knows

not even the prophecy

>>718895801
/vg/ is fujo central, and fujos HATE to even see other females

>>718898576
Yeah, it's not even a difficult question to answer in-universe. Kris knows and Susie has come extremely close to seeing their Light World identity twice already; it's very likely we'll see them in Ch5 and unmask them there.

>>718898630
The conversation we have with her in the church... She 100% knows something about the Shelter.

>>718898576
what mysteries besides the angel, the player, the end of the prophecy, the weird route and Gaster?

>>718898576
People are just allergic to the idea that the Knight's identity isn't the entirety of the mystery and that finding out who it is wouldn't immediately clear up all the intrigue and unknowns of its existence
They would probably call Columbo shit because you see the murderer at the start

>>718898576
dess knight ignores that the higher mystery layers involves a guitar-themed person who pulls strings. like cmon.

>>718898719
How does that prohibit Dess Knight? In fact the Knight literally is acting like a puppetmaster right now.

>>718898761
Michaelschizo thinks that the "phone person" and the Knight are inherently different for some reason

>>718898676
>it's very likely we'll see them in Ch5 and unmask them there.
chapter 5 is the field of PINK and GOLD. that's FRIEND shit. the knight being revealed in such a disgustingly friend-related chapter hurts dess knight.

>>718898443
Sure man

>>718898464
Toby has made it very clear that everything he posts outside of the game is just treats for the people who are as obsessed with his games as he is. Things like the Spamton Sweepstakes and even the extremely obscure easter Eggs within the game itself aren't necessary to have a coherent understanding of the story, they're just additional context and foreshadowing for what's to come. Toby doesn't want anyone to have to watch video essays or read a wiki to have a normal understanding of his games.
You don't need to know anything about the funny cat face more than what the game has presented to you. Toby does not expect the average person to datamine the game and he is not writing the story with that assumption in mind. The Mike room is a funny nod to the insane shit his dedicated fans came up with during the WAIT after Chapter 2, it's not required reading. If it was it would be part of the story and not a goofy bonus room you unlock after beating the Chapter.

>>718898780
If anything it works with the themes. You are in a higher level of reality then everyone else, but the Lightners are textually "realer" then the Darkners and exist in a higher level of existance.

>>718898803
why is the "dark" in this specific moment so fucked up?

>>718898719
spamton is truly the greatest character toby ever wrote, if only because even though he's fairly straightforward with how he expresses his desire for freedom and agency over his life, people still years later imagine there's something more behind it

>>718898761
the knight's sprite literally has strings on it. the knight is written into the prophecy to be a fated antagonist. it's NOT the string puller.

>>718894250
Their autistic, barely verbal offspring will conquer the planet.
Trust the plan.

>Tricky Tony is a Mother 3 fan
>The official Knight reveal will happen after years of speculation at the very end of Chapter 7 when Carol says “That Knight… it’s Dess.”

>>718898910
You can be both string puller and puppet. Darkners are toys to Lightners which are toys to fate which is a toy to players. Literally a central aspect of the game.

>>718898910
So 2 droopy pixels on the hand of a character with a droopy amorphous "face" means it must be controlled by strings, but the bat-looking sword sprite means nothing and people are wrong for thinking it's a bat? Fuck outta here man.

>>718898897
the irony of spamton is that for how insanely popular he became, nobody actually bothers to dissect the character. spamton is not a "the curtains are fucking blue" character.

>>718898872
And it seems Toby doesn't realise that
>he is absurdly popular
>the releases are episodic and take years to come out
The obsessed fans are an essential pillar for franchises like this even if they aren't the majority of the players.

>>718898991
Dissect what?
And this is the case the curtains are so good people just don't care to look what's behind them.

>>718898972
the knight doesn't even have a visible face retard, it's wearing a fucking helmet.

>>718898872
sure, but that cuts both ways
if you expect half the shit you guys have been theorizing about to be relevant or even addressed at all, I have some sad news
toby will solve the main story, and leave most of the mysterious ominous shit unanswered, just like he did with gaster in undertale

>>718898919
>the Knight is... THAT person! The LOST...

>>718898991
What specifically about Spamton do you want to see dissected further? Genuinely curious.

>>718899086
A helmet that shifts around.
And opens to a fucking mouth when it roars.

>>718898972
Dess Knight denial is just making shit up and grasping at straws because what else can they do? It is overwhelmingly obvious that the Knight can only be Dess, maybe Carol, there are no other serious candidates, arguing otherwise is simple trolling and contrarianism

>>718899118
I don't think people have talked enough about what would possibly happen if Spamton, or any darkner came into possession of a soul

>>718899135
the knight is a skeleton monster because it has a visible ribcage. the antlers are from dark world mutation.

>>718899093
Literally everything in the Spamton Sweepstakes was foreshadowing something in Chapter 3 or 4

>>718899220
Those aren't ribs.
They're tentacles.
The Knight is obviously Onion.

>>718899220
>dess knight is stupid because it relies on asspulls like "dess was corrupted by the darkness"
>...but the darkness can corrupt someone into having antlers for no reason and that makes sense lmao

>>718898803
4 vagañas

>>718899317
>"The Knight doesn't have antlers, it's just a helmet"
>why does The Knight's helmet have antlers
>"Shut up"

>Rudy being the Knight and not another girl that I spam deranged shipping fantasies of her fucking my self insert(male in my headcanon) Kris is bad because...because...
>L-LOOK, it just is, OKAY!?!!

>>718899081
>>718899118
the 50-billion knight parallels that just came off as schizo-babble before chapters 3+4 came out. when you go back and replay chapter 2 it's blatantly obvious that toby was referencing a ton of shit about the knight with spamton, like how he was referencing carol and toriel with queen and all of kris' family issues with tenna.

>>718898208
It is hinted that she lives in far right apartment building, and the scene in chapter 3 FRIEND cutscene is implied to be hers.

>>718899287
so ? nothing in it related to the greater mysteries of the setting

>>718899419
the game is heavily christmas-themed and all the weird robots in carol's house have antlers.

>>718899419
The Knight being a non-Holiday whose helmet just has antlers for no reason would be some of the shittiest writing I've ever seen.
Literal subversion for the sake of subversion and nothing more. Baking an ebic trole subversion fakeout into the VERY DESIGN of the main antagonist.

>>718899540
the knight is asriel wearing the twin ribbons

>>718899218
It’s interesting to look back after Chapter 3&4, now that we know more solidly that Darkners seem to know and accept their role as “objects” in the Light world.

Is it more likely now than before that “Heaven” is the real world, and Spamton was broken in part by knowing he was fictional? Or without getting too meta, maybe he wanted to subvert some aspect of the prophecy?

>>718899516
So the Knight is one of Carol's fucking santa toys that go hohoho now? Anything to deny Dess, huh

The code to get into the church was 2202.
This game likes to use dates as codes.
Does the 22nd of February have any meaning?
I don't think there are any important holidays associated with it, unless you count international sword-eaters day.

>>718899638
actually that's not such a bad conclusion...

>>718899638
the knight has a ton of weird robotic features and sound effects
spamton's plotline about breaking into the queen's basement to steal a battle-ready body.
the mayor's basement has the entry 17 gaster sound in it, as well as the train tracks that we fought spamton on.

>>718899728
>The knight has a skeletal appearance because Kris DID starve it by sealing its battery compartment
Oh no...

>>718899671
Considering that 413 is "day before Valentine's day", then 2202 could be "day before Defender of the Fatherland Day" in Russia, Turkmenistan, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. I mean, there's a reason why Kris is doing Russian dance in his dancing animation.

>>718899835
>413
I think you accidentally Homestucked, it's 213

>>718899763
so where's the battle ready body ?

>>718899613
Every normal Darkner doesn't have a problem with not being "real", in their own perspectives they're happy to fulfill their purpose, like Tenna and Lancer. I believe the revelation given to Spamtom is greater than the reality and illusion distinction presented to us, Spamton might have been this close to freaking out because he knew not even Kris is real too. I think Ralsei technically knows this too but he doesn't understand it fully and it deeply disturbs him

>>718899218
>>718899461
Oh so you mean plot foreshadowing stuff and not character breakdown?
Alright. Spamton does a lot of stuff that mirrors later events in the game
>the pipis/eggs
>the Titan
>the broken home
and so on.
The real deal is that people are missing or straight up forgetting stuff from Chapter 1 at this point. I think a lot about the game could be learned if we paid more attention to what is said by Seam, Jevil and King, and even Lancer, Rouxls and various texts scattered around chapter 1 (like the chessboard sign)

>>718899872
I got hungry sorry

>>718899860
Blyat

can we go back talking about the Kris' house's dark world just being a replica of the entire underground of undertale?
That's still super interesting to me

>>718899920
>The real deal is that people are missing or straight up forgetting stuff from Chapter 1 at this point.
this is a pretty fucking big one considering susie brings back her chapter 1 catchphrase that was also tied to CHAOS KING, and the evil chair in susie's room that turns into FRIEND

>>718899872
the knight took it

In Undertale, Christmas doesn't exist. They just started a tradition of putting gifts under the tree because of teens decorating gyftrot as a joke. But in Deltarune, Christmas is explicitly a real holiday.

Chapter 1 is straight up the most forgettable one tho... the only memorable thigs about it were black ralsei and i giuess Jevil

>>718900115
K Round was a more memorable milk boss than sweet cap'n cakes and he didn't even speak

>>718900086
so..... is there a monster jesus?

>>718900000
nice get!

>>718900000
Sorry, Quintman, but Tenna paved all over it.
Just like Megatron did in his ending in UT, if you think about it.

>>718900115
it's also the first thing toby made after his fever dream, making it the most thematically "pure" chapter in regards to toby's fever dream ending.

>>718900115
Chapter 1 was carried hard by being a shadow drop; nobody was really anticipating a new Tony Fox game (i.e., demo)

>>718900115
The most memorable thing about Chapter 1 was the fact that it was called SURVEY_PROGRAM and you thought it would be a weird ARG Toby made and then you get flashbanged by a 1-2-3 combo of Gaster's theme, Toriel showing up, and Field of Hopes and Dreams hammering home the fact this is an entire actual game and not some weird meme thing.

>>718899872
carol put your goner body under the floor

>>718900000
digits

>>718899920
Sometimes Chapter 1 feels like a different game since it's been such a long time ago. It's so much more simple, there's just far less things to worry and think of.
In a way, I've been wondering people's perception of deltarune like it "really took off" at Chapter 2 speaks that Chapter 1 isn't very good at presenting the narrative that has grown so far

>>718900115
Is this nigga serious?

>>718899763
It's in that picture

>>718900115
>tho
>thigs
>giuess

>>718900154
Noelle says "Cheezus" which implies either that Deltarune does have a Jesus, or that its Jesus is actually called Cheezus and he's a mouse

>>718900308
>Noelle being afraid of mice because of Scarfmouse was a lie all along
>She's afraid of mice because homosexuality is still a sin in Moustianity

>>718883386 (OP)
please be a decent human being and put "Deltarune" in OP next time
you help me filter your general shit - im not derailing your general shit, looks like win/win for everyone

>>718900308
When did she say that? I only remember her saying excheese me

>>718900154
the prophecy is dt's version of the new testament and we're making it happen right now

>>718900292
Im eating pizza right now sorry
you want some?

>>718900491
>complaining about generals with a t*uh*u image
this nigga cannot be serious

>>718883386 (OP)
>oikophobic subversive makes the leader of a religious organization evil (and probably also "homophobic")

>>718900000
copy pasting from the text dump
* The couch cliffs, how purple and majestic they were.
* The dusty, the empty, such are the worlds such as those.
* Ooo la la. The purple worlds, you think they give the creeps.
* Tsk... You have seen naught but that tempered by light.
* You should thank Tenna for brightening everything up.
* In the once upon a time, there was a land like purple cliffs.
* A frozen waste, watery basin, a metal desert.
* But, this theater was built upon that... and, it grew.
* Not everyone liked the change. Some people left.
* Of course, that was in the days of the black-and-white.
* There once was the great wilderness here! Yes...
* But, the world became the theater, and us, children of Tenna's contract.
* Those that did not sign the paper, set off for the far land and were forgotten.
* Now... only the legend old hermit still knows the way to the place.
* ... Kris? Do you do not know him so much?
* Even the water spirits were put to the bottles and coo as coolers...
* A liquid contract... a waste of their natural figure. Ooh la la.
* Kris! What, you met such an old hermit.
* ... Ooh la la. No. I don't believe anything, without the picture.
* Except for the astrology.
* Because of course... I am the star.
* Kris! You suddenly look much more adult.
* What is it? Did you make the journey?
* Well, slow down! Let me get the picture of your youth!
* Kris! Our Kris...

>>718900000
there's some implication that undertale is the game asriel was working on but never finished, kris was going to make music for it

>>718900139
Both K Round and SCC are shit inclusions.
Just lame narrative railroads.
>Oh you want to crush everything? Too bad fucko, do the fight the way we want you to.
They exist solely to serve as set pieces for Susie's character development.

>>718900154
>>718900308

Jesus would definitely be a lamb type monster if he wasn't human in this world

>>718900220
None of the chapters have been good at presenting the narrative, by simultaneously taking too long to introduce certain aspects and taking the shot at others way too soon.

>>718900542
its called a reaction image, retard
here's your jumpscare, you asked for it

>>718893007
>UT doesn't have a "vessel"
Yes it does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8udFjxo_9D8

>>718900796
Jesus is the shepherd, not the lamb. He'd be a sheepdog.
Wait... dog... Christ... Kris...

>>718900220
ch1 was just dropped on everyone halloween 2018
granted it was kino but there was almost no info about delarune after toby said what he wanted to do with it until the 5th undertale anniversary where the ch2 release was announced
there was a lot more hype for it because toby garnered it, most people had forgotten about deltarune by then, which is why they did a stream of it to remind people that it was a thing at all
and then ch2 had a whole bunch of shit for people to latch on to, along with an arguably even more insane cliffhanger than ch1

>>718900158
thats an amazing picture lmfao

I just realised this is /v/ and not the /vg/ thread lmao
Sorry guys here is the thing I was talking about with the whole undertale inside the house stuff

>>718901024
On the morrow he seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world! -John 1:29

>>718901097
I feel this is more like meta commentary on the success of Undertale and how Deltarune fits into all this.

>>718901097
To add to this another anon mentioned that omega flowey has a TV head and you just so happen to need to go past him to get to the barrier and to the surface
just like how you need to get through the living room with a TV to get to the door and to the outside.

>>718901097
Every theory trying to link the game to Undertale feels impossible to properly link to me, because the entire driving plot of Undertale, Chara and Asriel, has no direct connection to DT yet.

>>718899506
What are "the greater mysteries of the setting" that you're moving the goalpost to?

So we've fight the Knight, and we've fought a Titan. I wonder if we'll ever fight the Angel, or even see the Angel's heaven

>>718901183
>Behold, the Lamb of God
That comma is important. If he was referring to Jesus he would say "Behold the Lamb of God" with no comma. That there's the extra comma there makes it clear that he is telling the Lamb of God, the flock of God's creation, to behold Jesus because he takes away the sin of the world.

>>718900000
checked

>>718901346
*Fought

>>718901286
You will die mad that gaster will never appear in deltarune and I will laugh about it

>>718901350
Wow you know your theology. I'm impressed. I concede my previous point based on this new analysis

I want to fuck a crt tv

>>718898697
I'm mainly thinking on three layers above the Knight. First layer is what's going on in the town in the light world, stuff with Carol, Asgore, probably Alvin, possibly Toriel, what's in the shelter. Second layer is what's going on with the darkness, why the fountains are being opened, why Titans are being summoned, why someone is trying to make the Roaring a thing, and everything else to do with the Prophecy. Third layer is all the meta stuff with Gaster, FRIEND, etc. Multiple questions will be asked and answered that deal with multiple layers at the same time, that's just how I'm mentally dividing things in terms of what still needs to be addressed in the game's narrative beyond the simple point of the Knight's true identity.

>>718901270
By analogy to Undertale, Chara and Asriel are Dess and Kris

>>718895389
Naranja soul?
Waku waku?

>>718896523
They're no more real than Kris or Susie. So by that logic he's just as wrong for caring about them.
>>718897131
Most religions don't believe animals have souls either, yet there are plenty of people in those religions who have beloved pets.

>>718901558
Damn the final boss is going to be a concept rather than anything physical

>>718895204
Beta human, not really Chara or Frisk since neither existed yet, doesn't really exist either since he never made it to the final game either.

>>718901558
You forgot Undyne in the first layer

>>718901394
The microwave, it's chef mike, that's mike, mike is the microwave, the thing interferes with Tenna's signal to the point it fucked up its screen

>>718900491
It took you this long to discover it and you still felt the need to post

The final boss of dseltarune is either gonna be kris himself or the soul prsonified (without kris)

hehe, player character relationships

>>718889921
you really haven't been exposed to many religions have you

>>718902443
There is an outside force controlling my actions
:|

>>718902487
Mostly just the Abrahamic ones

>>718902573
>Let's you make him date a skeleton
>Let's you make him befriend everyone
>Let's you reset everything and kill everyone he's ever known
>Refuses to drink soda
What's wrong with him

>>718902756
Everyone has their limits
Frisk is only human after all

>>718902756
soda is bad for their health, everything else is not their problem

>>718902756
You also can't make 'em hit Undyne for more than 1 damage during the hangout, but betraying that friendship and killing monsters in Hotland onward is A-OK.
Frisk has some very weird limits.

>>718902916
isn't damage tied to how much you hate someone?
the reason would be that Frisk now likes undyne and is unable to really deal too much damage to her
While in genocide after killing enough monster Chara wakes up inside Frisk and that hatred bleeds into Frisk making them damage all the bosses that get in their way by like 9999999

>>718903042
I guess it would depend on the monster tho
you could say most those 9999s were because the monster wasn't trying to fight you but idk man. Toriel was ready to fight like she usually does and no matter what you do a single hit to her will always deal a critical instant kill
While Undyne will still take a few hits to kill...
Maybe the hatred is tied to how much of a nuisance they are to Chara's mission(?)

>>718902916
In that moment of being in the middle of a friend hangout with her, Frisk has no direct ill intent against her, lowering their attack stat against her specifically. But they still don't necessarily care about any other monsters, even though harming them will consequently upset Undyne and Papyrus in the end.

>>718903042
>>718903230
So Frisk/Chara just really hated Monster Kid then huh

>>718903326
Wouldn't you?

>>718903326
Dumbass was literally in my way, had it coming.

I dont get why the fandom has accepted canon Dess as being some cool punk girl, while everything ingame suggests shes a gun nut doomsday prepper

>>718903326
The way I see it the hate is coming from Chara and Frisk is just attacking
Actually it makes sense for Chara to hate Toriel, Papyrus, Monster kid, Mettaton and Sans to the point of dealing instant kills on them
all of those got in the way in more sognificant ways then regular monsters
Toriel was trying to keep her from leaving the ruins
Papyrus kept trying to interrupt you with puzzles even tho Frisk(thankfully) wasn't having none of it
Monster kid also kept stalling you in the waterfalls not getting a hint
Mettaton helped hide everyone away from the player (Chara wants more level ups)
And Sans is Sans he is THE stone in the path
TLDR: Chara is just giving Frisk the power to speedrun the underground so that she can get Frisk's SOUL as soon as possible.

Kris is not supposed to be the first hero
The cage with human soul and parts refers to the vessel you create at the very beginning of the game. You literally select parts to create a human. The mysterious voice is then interrupted (I have another even more schizophreic theory on this) and the soul is thrust into Kris.

>>718903632
>the cage with human soul and parts
could be mettaton as he has that little soul-look alike thig on his torso and is made out of parts
Or maybe something like omega flowey? That guy is a literal cage for 6 souls and is made entirely out of pngs put together in photoshop

>>718903558
Because Dess being a tomboy punk contrasts perfectly with Asriel being a picture-perfect saint who started walking on the wild side as he entered his teen years, seeing as how the two seemed like they were dating or very close to it prior to her disappearance.

>>718903558
She watched MTV and played rock songs with Kris

Frisk is a vessel like Flowey. At the start of Undertale the Soul of the first human wakes up but has no body to return to because it's decayed. It inhabits the next best thing: a golden flower that grew over the grave of its body which absorbed its essence. The flowers "broke your fall" - you were in the "fallen down" state, but now you're alive as a plant-human facsimile. No monster recognizes you as human, not even the monsters who would be old enough to remember what humans look like before monsters were sealed in the underground. Asgore recognizes Frisk as a monster during the genocide route; his exclamation has a double meaning. The Ferry Person says there are three entities in Undertale: Humans, Monsters, and Flowers. Kris is just like Frisk in that they're both vessels grown from Golden Flowers with the essence of real humans absorbed by their flowers. Kris' Tsundere Cactus is granted a body and life in a Dark World. May be a stretch or retcon but this to me seems to be a nod to the presence of a third life-form in both Undertale and Deltarune.

>>718903621
Sans would probably be a lot easier if Frisk/Chara just thought I'd doing a horizontal slash instead of a vertical cut

>>718903872
Pic Related.

>>718903743
>Son starts to date punk tomboy hippie
>His grades start to sink
>Runs her over with a truck
>Son is now about to graduate college and has a successful future ahead of him
Dude Asgore is literally the GOAT.

>>718903621 #
Sans would probably be a lot easier if Frisk/Chara just thought of doing a horizontal slash instead of a vertical cut

>>718903934
I belive it, plants are living things and so far every darkener encountered has been either an inanimate object or a deceased monster

>>718903934
>Darkners don't ever express confusion about their own existence in the Dark World
This isn't true

>>718897079
>The Kris Knight theory was right about everything EXCEPT Kris being the Knight.
Krisknight fags said he made the chapter 2 dark fountain even though he didn't

>>718904102
maybe not. I didn't make the pic but the gist of it supports most of my opinion

>>718904124
he seems to know that objects have been moved around in the library

>>718904102
these guys really set the tone for soogie's dark world, Second Sanctuary may just be a ringtone but I think I might like it more than Third

>>718903558
>literally owns several music instruments
>literally called musical prodigy
>literally wrote a song
Gee I wonder

>>718904102
To be fair, the Organikks are from a Dark World where the creator had no clue of their true nature, so the inhabitants were just as confused and discordant as she was.
Meanwhile Knight's Dark Worlds and Kris's TV World follow the consistency of their Darkners understanding their purpose and existence, because they were crafted with planned confidence and understanding.

>>718892278
Kris acts like a weirdo even if you approach the game like UTs pacifism (Which the game genuinely discourages multuiple times)
So yeah, He's internalized us as a justification for being a weirdo

>>718901394
>The TV is right there
>Asgore coming homd is the final boss

>>718904343
the game discourages that?

>>718895141
That green and yellow shit might as well be the new troon flag because only troons wear it

>>718896260
God Toriel and Asgore are horrid parents, no wonder Kris is that fucked up
Wonder if Asriel only went to college to get a breather from those two

>>718898690
I took it as her being a total outsider and slowly putting together than a cute little town like this has no real buisness with a shelter thats both ominous and inconvenient to reahc in an emergency

>>718904418
It's less discouraging and more "if the enemy truly refuses to accept mercy, you have no choice but to fight" at various intervals, like GIGA Queen, The Knight and The Titan, and it's not treated as some grand betrayal of all you've been led to follow like Undertale's Asgore and Photoshop Flowey fights because it already establishes the aforementioned "if mercy isn't an option" with Ralsei's lesson learned from fighting King.

>>718886281
The "soul" is called DEVICE in the files. It's the device YOU use to interact with Deltarune's world.
Is it suddenly not you on a phonecall because your phone has auto-brightness turned on?

>>718904510
t. only child
Hand-me-downs are perfectly normal, I'm old enough now that my dad wears my old clothes now lol.

>>718902756
Dr. Pepper supremacist, won't drink anything else

>>718900308
You know I swear I blink and 15 new Homestuck references get retroactively added into deltarune
jegus

>>718904687
I'm wearing hand-me-downs from my dad's boss, get on my level.

>>718904687
Yeah, but not having anything that's "yours" isn't really nice either
Specially when the Dreemur seemingly have no money issues, just look at Kris's side of the bedroom and tell me Toriel doesn't play favorites

>>718904150
>>718904316
More to the point, the cactus saying "can I look like this, can I dream like this" isn't expressing confusion about its new existences as a Darkner, it's speaking aspirationally. It's in a dressing room, the implication is that it's making itself more beautiful in some way to appeal to Kris, but it's still unsure of itself and can't muster the courage to face Kris.

>>718904901
I feel the issue with Toriel and Asgore is that they don't notice anything about their children unless they say it out loud.
As in, Kris doesn't has much in his side of the room because he never asks for stuff, and Toriel just can't see his emotional struggle and take the initiative to give him a keyboard or whatever.

I want to fuck that deer.

>>718905029
doo doo doo doo

Asriel has sucked miles of human cock

>>718904901
>Toriel doesn't play favorites
Oh yeah? So why does Kris has his own badass empty bird cage while Asriel has none?

>>718897170
For me it's about how someone who's been missing for years manages to survive completely undetected

>>718886146
>>718886229
>>718886307
>>718886408
>>718886592
>>718886742
>>718886851
>>718886959
Great dialogue, but any reason in particular why Chara bounces between he and she? It's confusing.

>>718905093
>human
You can just say Kris

>>718905296
probably to fuck with people
it's semi common for characters without a confirmed sex, like the pyro from tf2

>>718905286
It is my personal theory that Dess could just be chilling on the other side of the lake, playing music loud enough that you could almost hear it from the town from time to time

>>718897170
I just don't see what the point of teasing Dess' disappearance was if she's not actually missing and can go into the light world whenever she wants. She's supposed to be the Lost Girl, not the Corrupted and/or Soulless Husk Girl

Kris keeps some of Dess's remains on him to summon the RK in the fountains

bring back ralsei forma de negro

>>718904806
My dad wears hand me downs from my mom's boyfriend, get on MY level.

>>718905735
Isn't there a mod for that?

>>718905862
i wear your hand me downs

>>718905582
He doesn't have to, he has someone else who is following him around with those that he's intentionally meeting with/leaving doors open for. Like how he slashed the tires and unlocked the door.

what are they doing down their....?

Why does no one talk about Kris's other brother But Not? Noelle mentioned him in Chapter 4 but I never see anything about it. Supposedly he looks similar to Ralsei.

>>718906002
Togore's nickname

>>718906002
More like Buttmunch.

Reminder Ralsei is the devil reincarnated hiding in plain sight as a goat and he can in fact morph his face like flowey because like flowey he's a souless being

>>718883386 (OP)
I think most of the dark fountains are opened by the adults, not the knight. Toriel opened the school dark world, which is why King is an evil tyrant. Asgore opened the library dark world which is why Queen is a wine drinking fun-haver. Alvin opened the first church which explains Gerson and the focus on the prophecy.
The darkeners are covering for these characters by claiming the Roaring Knight did it like Tenna covered for Kris.

>>718906290
Being soulless isn't a Ralsei-only thing that's just how all Darkners are

>>718906290
In fact, he is Flowey himself, straight from Undertale or so I thought before new chapters released

Flowey come home.....

>>718906461
Flowey now I know
I was wrong

>>718903973
>sans jumps over

>>718906339
We don't know that Darkners don't have souls, they just don't have souls like a Lightner's. They're like monsters in Undertale, they don't have a Lightner's Determination.
Whether they have souls or not, they're not sociopaths like Flowey. We don't know how much a soul really matters in Deltarune.

>>718906339
Yeah but who is their prince?

>>718906483
i put my grasses on
everything went wong

>>718892017
I wonder if Gerson will get merch or not considering he’s dead.

>>718906583
Maybe a model of his hammer

>>718906583
Gerson will get a plushie that says "I'm old!" when you squeeze it and has a 6.66666666666% chance to say "I'm Dead!" instead every time

>>718905990
Sloppa? I don't trust anything without artist's signature these days.

>>718906540
Flowey, I'm sorry I neglect you
Oh, I never expected you to run away and leaf me
Feeling this empty...

>>718903632
am i insane or was this just the vessel the whole time

>>718896363
>It's got one thing wrong
>[the most wrong shit in the world]

>>718892017
Don't forget that the Gaster tarot was replaced with Gerson specifically
You know, Gerson, who has several parallels to Gaster in Deltarune

>>718883821
>>718889103
Could be another zelda reference.

>>718906717
What's up with Toby and Zelda now? I don't remember him making THAT many references to it before but then Chapter 3 came out and like 70% of the chapter was a Zelda reference

>>718906649
Your Howdy right now would sound like music to me...

When is Kris gonna flip his shit after a single chapter completely fucks over his life beyond repair and turn into the King of Demons?

>>718906913
He's gonna be fine

I can't believe this one fucking schizo tranny just keeps making "Theories" and all-or-nothing ultimatums about the story solely because of the Snowgrave rape scene.

First it's shit like, "ACTUALLY SNOWGRAVE MAKES NOELLE WANT TO FUCK SUSIE MORE SO YOU'RE KEKING YOURSELF."

And it's evolved into this, "ACTUALLY THE PLAYER IS NOT THE SOUL SO ACTUALLY (YOU) AREN'T HAVING SEX WITH NOELLE!!!"

Just obsessive autism.

>>718906797
nintendo partnership
he had to do it to be a switch 2 launch title
*raughs*

>>718906797
The Deltarune symbol looks like the Triforce

>>718907240
Glad to see that snowkeks are still mindbroken

>>718906913
probably ch5
it's shaping up to be the chapter where everything that could go wrong, does go wrong
ch6 will be the fallout of that
ch7 will be trying to fix it

The "light world" is just another dark world, Tobert will pull a Xenogears in everyone, INCLUDING the Disc 2 bullshit

>>718907331
I'm not the one who has to come up with a new cope every single day since chapter 3 and 4 came out.

>>718906651
what do you mean?

7 chapters.... 7 souls... 7.... uhhh 7 what else?

>>718907401
if you squint at that part of the prophecy it looks an awful lot like a vessel head
to me at least
am i going insane

>>718907515
times I jerked off to Deltarune characters this week

>>718907546
I can kinda see it, you might not be insane

>>718907546
hm... idk anon, it sounds really schizo but I can see it too.

>>718907515
chaos emeralds

>>718907546
interesting
however it's a little too schizo for me to use as possible evidence for my theory on the matter
i do agree that the vessel is supposed to be the cage though