Thread 719863027

What the actual fuck?
Sorry, sentient beings we created for shits and giggles, I have to end your entire civilisation to help my cunt wife move on from her stupid trauma.
I can't take the ending of Expedition 33 seriously. Like even if I look at the whole thing as a metaphor for grief management, it barely makes sense.

would you sacrifice your wife's life for a bunch of sentient paintings

Good luck when you have to uninstall GTA6, you'll be commiting genocide.

It's weird that /v/ considers these artificial beings sentient but not the androids in Detroit Become Human

>>719863027 (OP)
Yeah

Act 3, maelle learning all of that kinda kills the game

>>719864443
That's because Detroit Become Human sucks and the androids are not compelling enough.

>>719863027 (OP)
It totally makes sense? The painters might as well be gods looking over ants

>>719863027 (OP)
Have you never seen a gnostic story? I don't even like gnosticism but you're retarded. Yes, the Dessendre family is in the wrong. No, the game doesn't depict it outright since Act 3 (when you learn about it) is presented from a Dessendre point of view. Act 1 and 2 should be enough for any sane person to come to the conclusion that the little demigod family is evil.

>>719864937
All your gameplay mattering for nothing is not good writing for a game.

>>719865279
You can choose the ending where it matters
Don't get me wrong I don't like the whole "story gets a twist and tries to tell a completly different story halfway through + """""it's a dream""""" " trope but it's what they wanted to write about and makes sense

Haven't played the game, does choosing painting people lead to them becoming real, or sustaining their world safely for ever?

>>719865279
It's actually great writing. Most people who played it loved it.

>>719863027 (OP)
the game turned to shit by the end of Act I.

oh we're gonna ned stark our MC. except those retards forgot that they didn't have a good replacement for ned stark. robb stark was a chad.

verso is a pajeet scammer and just pops up like he's a hero

also, kicking renoirs ass like 5 times made the last boss fight total shit. sorry but it might as well have been yamcha at that point

>>719865450
>>719865279
wrong. the writing was like a 5/10 at best.

It's almost like the point of the story is to make the player hate the Dessendres so that the final choice isn't just a no-brainer

>>719865279
>All your gameplay mattering for nothing
So all video games?

>>719865495
Just saying nonsense doesn't make it true

Was there a moment when Luna and Sciel realised they weren't real? I don't remember it.

>>719865726
when it's revealed that anything in act 1-2 didn't matter, the writing drops the ball with all characters that aren't Maelle and Verso. Noboy seems to even have a problem with that.

>>719865618
Yeah, the only reasonable thing is to kick those retarded addicts out of the painting

>>719865726xD
Beginning of act 3 right after you leave Lumiere. But they just go "wow can't believe there's another world out there anyway let's go beat up the old man and bring everyone back"

SHE IS 16 YOU FRENCH PEDO FREAKS

>>719865031
I hope you play every single videogame you have ever bought every day or you are evil

>>719866259
16 is legal in all of europe and thats just a swimsuit (and a very fucking ugly one, too)
Are you telling on yourself?

>>719866259
BREED
BREEED
BREEEED
BREEEEED
BREEEEEED
BREEEEEEED

>>719865450
No, having no payoff in a long series or game is a fatal flaw. Even a newbie writer could understand this. You're just married to the game.

>>719863027 (OP)
Would you let your wife and daughter die to save her The Sims characters?

Even if they were real people, would you not sacrifice a stranger to save a loved one?

>>719863270
Absolutely not.

>>719866259
16 is not THAT young

>>719863027 (OP)
It's basically a (probably unintended) metaphor for abortion, where you have to pick between innocent sentient beings without voice and the flippant "my painting, my right" family. It also explains why most pro painting extermination also argue like women and can so easily dismiss Sciel and Lune existence even after having spent the entire game alongside them.

>>719865375
no, maelle (the main advocate for remaining in the painting and ruling its people) gradually loses her marbles and begins to use the people within it like dollhouse figures. primarily so her escapist fantasy can persist.

>>719866557
The average redditor would let their family die to save a colony of bedbugs, yeah.

>>719864443
The androids in DBH are Nigger analogues, and thus not human. The painted people in E33 are french(white) and thus human.

>>719863027 (OP)
And he was right

Deadstave faggots still haven't stopped coping i see
KWAB WHAT A DEAD BITCH

Honest question why did this game get less fanart than Stellar Blade?

>>719863027 (OP)
They could have really made an amazing story with Matrix/AI existential vibes, but no its all about MUH FAMILY MUH TRAUMA (the lead writer is a woman)

Both endings are valid, the characters we spend time with and play as are just as real as the Dessendres.

>>719864443
Weren't the androids sentience and free will actually just a virus designed by the corporation itself?

>>719867379
That is kind of the point. The entire world and Lumiere, with all its generations of people have lived, loved, grieved and died are completely beholden to this one family who are grieving over Verso.

>>719867581
yeah but the game never even touches on any of that, its completely glossed over

This shit was written by a woman
Play a real jrpg

>>719867613
Directly? No but does it need to beat you over the head with it? You the player should see this dilemma and think it over.

>>719867713
Doesn't work like that in a narrative-driven story
Stop simping for this shit, you look like a faggot

>>719867310
Honest question, why do you always ask this in every thread?

>>719867627
So was that one FF XIV expansion everyone jacks off and Soul Reaver what’s your point?

>>719867750
I don't understand your complaint. By the time the characters are aware of what is actually going on with their creators, they are all killed off. Only two of them are brought back and by that point, its all go to gather chroma to defeat Renoir. There is no real time to dwell on it and Lune and Sciel have hope in Alicia to bring everyone back or at least those not killed by nevrons.

>>719866712
oh come on now anon

>>719863027 (OP)
Renoir had painted hundreds of canvases by this point. The painted world in the game was nothing special to him

>>719866557
You're not playing as the family you stupid autist

>>719863891
The amount of people that miss this game explores creationism and that the Dessendre family are playing the role of Gods is absurd. For all intents and purposes Renoir is Zeus/Odin trying to erase the world to restore sanity to Hera/Frigg after the death of their son.

>>719868005
He doesn't want to destroy the Painting but know that due to it being Verso's, that it houses the last piece of him, he has to burn it. When they confront him near the end he even listens to what Lune says, he doesn't dismiss her as some non-factor. Renoir knows that they have autonomy, thoughts, feelings, sentience, free will but he also knows he has to make a terrible choice to protect his family.

renoir is a bad husband and a bad father

>>719863027 (OP)
>vrchat npcs are alive
Retard. You are the exact numbskull that screams goty at this shite.

>>719867792
>FFXIV
not even a jrpg
what's your point? that women can write? take that shit to reddit, you're out of your element

>>719868452
They are sentient, but if they weren't that would be even shittier writing.

>>719865726
They do after getting erased and brought back, but they are just hoping for maelle to restore the world and don't seem to take it too hard.
Note that they already believed that paintress is the creator and god of their world who can erase them at will, they just thought she's a cunt for doing that. This was not entirely accurate but I don't think the revelation that she is in fact someone from a higher plane of existence where people have the power to create worlds through painting (and I assume writers probably have similar powers).
You just assume Dessendres are the base level of reality, but religious people don't feel they are fake because they were created by gods or that heaven or afterlife exists.

>>719863027 (OP)
*cane taps echo*
>FUCK YOU NIGGER

Renoir not being able to let go of his own issues to be able to help his family the way they need is wrong, but not nonsensical
What's hilarious is Verso caring about his family and friends enough to be upset at their deaths but also wanting to kill himself so bad that he's willing to kill them and genocide his entire race just so he doesn't have to exist around them any more

>>719866120
Should they have a breakdown over what substrate they're made of?

>>719863027 (OP)
It does make sense and Renior kept explaining it and the reason why Verso kept going with his agenda too. Ultimately nothing was real in there and the longer the painters stayed in the Canvas, the more they would go insane in some way, with Renior bringing up a previous experience. This shows up in the girls ending where it's highly implied she heavily started influencing the canvas to the point that it's Super Happy Ending -tier, like even the other characters felt uncannily happy, and she's unaware of it while Verso can't do anything about it but cry.

>>719868776
Verso has a couple of weird moments, he doesn't seem to believe painted people are real or have any moral worth but he has a soft spot for real!verso creations and also painted alicia for some weird reason. It doesn't seem like they even have a relationship and the real one is right there. Maybe that's deliberate that he also still has irrational attachments.

>>719863027 (OP)
tried to buy this game on steam but it says i need to submit confirmation from my doctor that i'm currently undergoing hormone replacement therapy??

>>719863027 (OP)
The one thing that pissed me off is NOBODY in the Painted World says to him "We deserve to live as much as your family."
They all speak to him as if his grief is the only issue.
Actually fucking infuriated me. And people glaze its writing.
>>719863270
How many?
One? No.
Ten? Maybe.
A hundred? Unquestionably.

>>719869046
Cont'd after thinking about it.

Actually reminds me of that Justice League Unlimited episode where a really strong psychic conjures up a somewhat real illusion with Golden Age heroes and villains fighting each other and he gets to be the sidekick with a front row seat. But underneath some people are real and suffering in the illusion. The golden age heroes are sentient enough to help stop the psychic even if it means destroying their own existence. One could argue that existence was better though because the real world was a super nuked Earth.

tl;dr Escapism isn't healthy.

>>719869490
The little sims won't argue their equivalent value to a god. It's an asinine argument when god is looking to save another god. You're going to make an argument of morality to someone who has already come up with his answer to his value system? He is a painter, he has been lost in a painting, and ultimately he has already decided that people are worth more than the painted.

>>719869510
Do you routinely create entire worlds of sentient people for your escapist fantasies and then erase them when you want to do some redditor adulting? I swear everyone who played this game is the textbook example of the sociopathic midwit who believes xirself to be a Hannibal tier villain.

>>719863027 (OP)
He was right though.

>>719869510
Escapism is only not healthy when the thing you're escaping from has some worth that's being squandered
This is just like "the ends justify the means", only retarded liberals who who can't understand nuance or second order consequences would think it's universally true or false

>>719869831
They erase Lumiere because the existence of Lumiere is a threat to the family and also enslaving a tiny portion of a dead man to act as demiurge. If the family wasn't currently going through a crisis, the central plot wouldn't even happen and it would just be a big happy painting about Gestrals and people in France. Still with the enslaved demiurge but maybe Versoul would be less tired of a calm and idyllic world.

>>719868776
>What's hilarious is Verso caring about his family and friends enough to be upset at their deaths but also wanting to kill himself so bad that he's willing to kill them and genocide his entire race just so he doesn't have to exist around them any more
He's a massive hypocrite and a fag. The way he lashes out at Maelle for assisting with his sister's suicide, AFTER he already let Gustave die on purpose, and literally assisted with wiping out the whole of Lumiere.

Gustave dying took more away from the game than it added, both in writing and gameplay

>>719863027 (OP)
>muh traumas
why are leftist like this?

>>719870148
>Gustave
>constantly told to hurry up or speak up or shut up or stop being a coward
>at first glance of combat he freezes up like a bitch unable to move and defend himself meanwhile all the strong woman around him are fighting and scrambling to survive
>after waking up from being knocked down from said combat the first thought to cross his cuck mind is “its over im going to kill myself like the cuck bitch faggot that I am” meanwhile all the girls survive just fine
>constantly picked on for his inadequacies and weaknesses
>dies
LMAO this “game” truly was made by a bunch of faggots for a bunch of faggots.

>>719869974
You know there are people who can't stand watching predator kill prey in front of them but let it happen anyways? I know this is going to lead to debate bullshit but "it's complicated" describes Verso the best and Renior's actions. They both know, with Renior having past experience, what happens in the long run for staying in the Canvas too long and Verso is extremely tempted to try and live out the life anyways, but he's very old and very self aware so he pushes on with his agenda anyways, even with his childhood creations getting destroyed too.

/v/ when playing E33 and having to make a choice between the painters and the painted:
>I am a highly moral individual with integrity, of course i will sacrifice my wife for the greater good
/v/ when is given the exact same argument for niggers in downtown Detroit:
>Haha fuck niggers, they are as intelligent as i want them to be just kill them all, doesn't matter,they don't look like me

>>719863027 (OP)
His painted self explains it pretty clearly.
He isn't happy about having to kill people, but he'd do anything for his family.

You are getting caught up on the fact that "he's willing to kill thousands of painted people!" to save his wife or daughter.
What you're missing is that he'd be 100% willing to kill thousands of real people if it meant saving his wife or daughter.

>>719863027 (OP)
Its about true love you heartless cunt, have some empathy

>>719863027 (OP)
Imagine not committing genocide for your daughter. Can you even call yourself a father?

>>719863027 (OP)
They are not sentient beings they are echoes of a dead boy's imagination. Literally NPCs for his fantasy world.

>>719867581
But the world doesn't feel alive at all. The characters have backstory but it's neatly contained in the 67 years the story covers. The places you go to don't feel like real places, just backdrops for the painted action. The people have lives but it's all in service of the narrative. It feels hollow.

>>719872698
I just had a thought. This strongly reminds me of the Big O's plot.

>>719871485
He's a shitty father, actually, because the last thing his daughter wants is for him to commit a genocide.
He also conveniently ignores the real problems that are plaguing his daughter.

>>719863027 (OP)
Just tell him and Verso to suck it desu

>>719866557
Conversely, why would that daughter want to go back to a family who hates her, living in a broken body condemning them to a life of imprisonment in her own ailing flesh? Who cares if the rest of her body is wasting away? What the fuck was she going to use it for? She's living a more fulfilling life in the canvas than she ever could in the outside world. Aileen can and eventually would come to terms with her grief. She will have a meaningful recovery. Alicia never will. Her problems are insurmountable. You cannot compare their respective motivations for misusing or overusing the canvas.

>>719863027 (OP)
OK, but what has happened to previous 32 games? are they gonna make them in reverse? Will i need to wait for expedition 01 for the next 50 years? I wanna play them in order

>>719863270
Would you suck every monkey's dick to save one human?

>>719863891
>>719868198
Yeah, because Odin/Zeus were huge assholes that didn't care about mortals. All the Dessendres act like they're compassionate, nice people that understand that all their creations have feelings and free will. But they never reflect on the moral implications of erasing the canvas. Not even Maelle, who is trying to stop it.
And then the ending frames it like she's just playing make belief, when in reality it's more like her dad wanted to murder an entire petting zoo because it reminded his wife of their dead, stinky son.

>>719873587
She was told just fuck off and create another canvas for herself. But she wanted that specific one, especially cause she treated the "denizens" with more respect. But its shown in her ending she fell to influencing them anyways while slowly going insane as a Painter.

>>719874205
The ending pissed me off because it undoes all of her character development.
The entirety of Act 3 feels kinda hackneyed in order to make this basic ass meta-narrative point that's honestly less interesting than anything that went on before.

>>719874205
Does that matter if we're viewing these beings as playthings to be used at the whims of the painters anyway? If painters are within their rights to just wipe away their lives and their world, why are painters not within their rights to manipulate that world?

>>719863270
I would sacrifice my wife for a klondike bar - average boomer

>>719874205
>But its shown in her ending she fell to influencing them anyways
No it isn't

>>719872698
I thought that was a legit plot point that the world runs on Last Thursdayism. That is it was created fully formed at some point because it's a painting and obviously it didn't start at the big bang.
Fracture seems to have really happened because it was caused by real!Renoir rather than part of the paintings setting and there were people living there already and it but I think it was said Verso;s original painting didn't have humans in it. Painted Verso seems to think he's 100 years old and was in his 30s when fracture happened so I think from external frame, people only existed in the world shortly before it and everyone just came in with fully formed "fake" memories of the past. I don't think it makes sense for Aline to paint in generations of humans before painted!Verso happened to be born.

>>719874532
As Maelle she didn't even want to think that way, but she ended up doing it anyways, especially through various actions in Act 3.

>>719875307
You're absolutely right. But if both perspectives boil down to the painted having no real rights or autonomy, what's the harm in letting a cripple live out her fantasy until her body gives out and then destroying the canvas?

>>719873734
Most of the Expeditioners died horribly and in anticlimactic ways. Expedition 59 died because they decided to try eating Nervons and it made them deathly ill.

>>719875902
>Marche.jpeg
And pVerso not wanting to exist anymore, hence telling her to fuck off to another Canvas

>>719866259
Why did they make her butt jiggle?

>>719876628
>And pVerso not wanting to exist anymore
And why would a painter care about the desires of the painted in this scenario any more than they'd care about the painted's desire not to be erased from existence? It's the double standard I'm having trouble with here. If the painted are just playthings - which evidently they are if the purportedly right thing to do is to chuck them into oblivion - then why are we suddenly having difficulty with treating them as such when it's helping someone who actually has rights get some fulfillment out of a life that would otherwise be one of suffering?

>>719866341
I’m 100% convinced that people who kick up a fuss about teenage sexuality are actually predators in sheep’s clothing.

>>719863270
why would you make a bunch of sentiment paintings in the first place?
this whole family deserves death every one who used the canvas.

>>719865450
it's shit writing.

>>719863027 (OP)
The number of midwits exposing themselves in this thread is just comical. This game is ultimately a family drama. The painting and its inhabitants just create extra stakes for the family drama. Remove your heads from your assholes. It's not my fault you're so emotionally stunted that you're unable to understand how a family drama works.

>>719863027 (OP)
we're gonna have games as good as these paintings in our lifetime, you can delete games this is no different

>>719863027 (OP)
traumatrannies are that retarded

Would Lune and Sciel still have fucked Verso if Gustave hadn't died?

>>719877401
he didn't do it, his wife did. he just made symbolic monster things.

>>719877739
>game starts off with a sci fi post apocalypses premise
>gaslights you the entire playthrough
>in the end it's family drama
It's not hard to understand, the problem is that the game is dishonest and retards praised it like the second coming of videogames because retards worship dramawankery as if it make stories more deep for some reason. Game is just mid and whenever you point it out you get the stockholm syndrome retards seething and malding that you are not praising the rugpull they themselves suffered from and are tricking themselves into liking it

>>719877739
You're the kind of colossal retard that gets upset when they start talking about concepts in science fiction because reversing the polarity of the positronic plotdevice is just supposed to serve the purpose of building tension. How dare anyone actually look into the detail and nuance of the story and shit! How dare anyone examine of the means to the end make any sense! These sorts of interjections are never necessary, helpful, or even relevant. Please kill yourself.

>>719877941
lune, no. sciel, yes.

>>719863027 (OP)
Kek

If you pick the Maelle ending and she bring him back, wouldn’t he feel kinda weird about the situation at hand?

>>719863027 (OP)
it's like uninstalling the sims because you wife spends all day playing it

>>719879423
Nothing that some paint lobotomizing can't fix

E33 is an amazing game for retards who've never touched so much as a coloring book before

>>719879613
Except that she's also been fucking a sims version of you that happily enables all her bullshit and probably also has a bigger dick

>>719879618
She can just erase their memories ?

>>719879894
With what Clea did to Simon and PClea, and Aline literally creating PVerso, it stands to reason that they can warp the reality of the canvas with enough skill.

>>719877834
>the AI is sentient Saar!

>>719879894
She controls the universe. She could give herself a harem of 5 Gustaves if she wanted to.

The painting people are alive. But so what?

>>719863027 (OP)
Every E33 thread is basically this meme repeated over and over. It's a philosophical question, there is no correct answer.

>>719879676
Did you have a coluring book when you were a kid Pajeet?

>>719873830
Save?

>>719879676
watch out they’ll call you paj->>719882250
oh

>>719882674
>"I was found!"
>"Deploy the cope!"

>>719869319
>he doesn't seem to believe painted people are real or have any moral worth
He does at one point based on his journal after murdering Julie. He explicitly says they all deserve to exist.

>>719865279
The purpose of gameplay is to have fun and I had fun playing it. The ending not being happy doesn't invalidate the gameplay, it just reveals childish faggots that need happy fee fees at all times.

>>719879894
No. Unless she somehow became a better paintress than Clea. It's funny how they specifically point this out in Flying Manor but retards still insist.

>>719863027 (OP)
It's almost if everyone in the game Claire Obscur act in a black/white manner...

>>719879423
Depends on if he even was told what happened.

>>719865726
They didn't feel "not real," they simply felt vulnerable. They lived entire lives filled with passion, frustration, longing, and despair. Being told they exist at the mercy of more powerful beings didn't make them feel not real just like it wouldn't make you feel not real. Verso feels not real because he's quite literally a copy of someone else and his existence has always been used to prop up someone else's feelings.

>>719866259
>do second playthrough with wife watching
>get this outfit
>"Wow, she has a nice butt."
is my wife a hebe?

>>719882881
What they say

>>719882985
dilate

>>719872698
>But the world doesn't feel alive at all.
It's dying as a result of Aline and Renoir's conflict.
>The characters have backstory but it's neatly contained in the 67 years the story covers.
Lumiere existed before the fracture because Aline went in first but certainly much of its remembered history is artificial. They've also been stuck in a deathloop for those 67 years where people die younger and younger, of course the current characters backstories are contained in that world shaking trauma.
>The places you go to don't feel like real places, just backdrops for the painted action.
That's exactly what they are, as most of the world was painted by Verso as a place to have fun adventures.
>The people have lives but it's all in service of the narrative. It feels hollow.
No shit, they're artificial people desperately fighting a losing battle that is wiping out their culture and everybody knows it. It's extremely grim.

>>719868776
>your wife is killing herself and you want to stop her from doing that
>"Wow dude let go of your own issues."

>>719883149
Maelle: I can’t repaint her, Clea’s the only one skilled enough to paint over someone else’s creation.
Clea's result in this is mindless husks like Simon and P Clea.

Everyone assumes the Maelle ending is her living in the painting until she dies in the real world, but do you really think her parents and sister, all 3 who are much more accomplished Painters, would let that happen? More then likely what will happen is that a fully recovered Renoir and Aline enter the painting, Clea does some work in the background, with all three working towards the goal of bringing back Alicia and while Alicia has developed her Paintress powers its still not comparable to Renoir's, Aline's, and Clea's, and Alicia won't have the same allies that she used to.

>>719883360
She wasn't dying in the canvas. Renoir just jumped to conclusions because he can't cope without his wife there. Clea even says that they've spent longer in other canvases.

>>719872923
His daughter does not know what's best for herself. She can't even keep sight of the fact that painted Verso is not her real brother. This woman is delusional.

>>719863420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

>>719876402
>that expedition that died because Esquie told them to eat the mushrooms in his cave

>>719883291
I know the apocalyptic feeling was important to the story, but it gave me with some fatigue, since post-apocalyptic settings have been over-represented in media for the past decade or so. That’s not the game’s fault, but still. It does kind of suck that the only actual civilised settlements outside of Lumiere are the Gestral Village and Monoco’s Station.

>>719883408
If it ends in the same result why should we deny Lune and Sciel a few more decades to live?

>>719874694
It's subtle but a lot of things in her ending happen only after she gives a little head nod. Nothing's explicit but there's plenty of room to interpret Alicia's ending VERY positively or negatively. Verso's ending is a little more bounded.
>>719874385
Maelle develops as a character, but Alicia (after gaining her memories) simply continues to be Alicia using Maelle's name. Maelle is effectively dead. The moment Alicia wakes up she calls the canvas her home and you can see Verso going "holy fuck here we go again."

>>719882246
I think you'll find that they're not sentient and I don't have to explain why I feel that way and you're a brainlet for disagreeing with me and there's no room for argument

>>719883565
Why would Esquie kill Expeditions when he’s a nice guy and when Verso wants the Expeditions to succeed?

>>719869490
Pretty much all of the Painted World people lose their personalities and desires the second the game reveals that they're painted. It's the only way to make the player feel like both options at the end could possibly be "equal"

>>719883115
>S-...Sad? Sad ending? W-where's my golden route?

What else was he supposed to do. His wife was going to die just playing in that painting all day.

>>719863027 (OP)
>Picks Maelle’s ending.
>Write a fanfiction where Gustave convinces her to go outside every once in a while, while also convincing her parents not to be cunts.
>They all lived happily ever after, except for Verso - because fuck him, that’s why.
It’s that easy.

>>719883680
I thought we were actually going somewhere when she unpainted her painting self, respecting her wish to be undone. Then painting Clea also commits sudoku. So I was hopeful she'd at least honour Versos wish to get unmade at the end and she would just chill with the others for a while and then return to the armpit she calls reality.

>>719883472
>she wasn't dying
lmao. They've spent longer in other canvases that weren't as dangerous to them. Renoir explains that this same addiction happened to him and Aline had to force him out to save his life. Similarly, this canvas is uniquely dangerous to Aline (and Alicia) because Verso JUST died and they can use it to feel like he's still alive. One of the few explicit facts of the game is that Aline is losing herself to the canvas and it's killing her.

>>719883052
Make sure she doesn't see the huge bulges on the male swimsuits

>>719883408
>fully recovered Aline
We only see this in Verso's ending, where the painting has been destroyed. The risk remains of her never healing or being able to move on from the canvas in Maelle's ending. She immediately risks her life to go back in and fight Renoir before the game even ends. Further, Clea demonstrated she wasn't willing to intervene directly against Aline, she only made sent simon and made her painted self nevron factory. It's ambiguous she'd fight any harder for Alicia. If it came down to it, it could very well be Alicia with all of the chroma and her superpowered lumierens vs Renoir. He might win, probably would, even, but the risk remains.

>>719878089
>the game is dishonest
You got your feelings hurt by a plot twist. Unreal
>>719878101
I never said any of that, dumb nigger. Lol!

>>719883970
He has a big brain but most of it is filled with belief that expeditioners are awesome and can do anything, including handle these tasty mushrooms.

>>719883916
The thing is this: I'd actually be willing to entertain that thought if the narrative did.
The idea that Lune, Sciel and Monoco might just be NPCs that are programmed to act like they got free will isn't once entertained in any meaningful way.
The random cryptic aside by one of those faceless cunts isn't impacting that whatsoever.
If there were genuine doubt, there would be a reason to pick the Verso ending.

>>719884106
Yeah, because of the fracture. Due to Renoir and her fighting it made her cling to the canvas even more. Renoir essentially made the problem worse. If he didn't jump in she might've left by herself.

>>719884094
She didn't even have to unmake him, the area he was in and being defeated by her were already causing him to disappear. She simply had to resist the urge to reanimate him against his will. But then she wouldn't have her perfect* little world.

>>719884068
>here's my headcanon also I hate verso
I hope you reconcile with your family

>>719863027 (OP)
Woman moments: The Game

Renoir had a hard life.

>>719884392
The petals are literally going back to the canvas to be reformed dumbass. Besides why would he be begging to be unpainted if it was happening?

>>719884376
Headcanon. There was no fracture in the canvas Renoir was dying in. Even in canvases where they weren't addicted, Aline told Renoir "every day we spend here has a price." Aline was dying because deluding herself into believing a false reality where Verso hadn't died was causing her to lose herself.

>>719884558
You're probably right, it looked like he was gommaging when Alicia walked in and stopped it but I must've misinterpreted the scene.

>>719883389
>Clea’s the only one skilled enough to paint over someone else’s creation.
Wait but she repaints Verso old in her ending. Unless she only paints her own version of Verso from scratch but for some retarded reason makes him old and keeps his depression

>>719884659
Don't you understand? Alicia SAID something so it must be true always and forever.

>>719884659
I assumed she just removed the aging block on him. It's also looks like it's been a decade in her ending, that's why Lune and Sciel look older too.

By the end of the game Maelle is so overpowered, that I have a hard time believing Verso could even touch her.

>Sorry, sentient beings
Where? Surely you don't mean the paintings right? Do you feel upset when you throw away doodles?

>>719885026
There's a disconnect between narrative and gameplay. Renoir is supposed to be stronger than Simon.

>>719885026
In Verso's ending Maelle knows she's in the wrong and lets herself lose, in Maelle ending she's certain of her choice and effortlessly one rounds Verso.

This is because you as the player are acting as her conscience, it's Maelle's arc afterall.

The ending is a litmus test for people who have kids versus people with shit family life. If you've had kids, which is a biological imperative, of course you're going to choose the canonical good ending. If you're a zoom zoom or had family problems, you choose the bad ending.

Similarly, this game itself is a litmus test for whiteness. If you like the game, congrats you passed. If not, your name is likely a variant of Jamal or Ramjeet, incapable of understanding the game's themes.

>>719884964
I 100% agree. She's not the compulsive liar of the family.

>>719885319
>lies about knowing painted Verso isn't her brother
>lies about being willing to leave the canvas
>lies about wanting to stay for any reason but pretending she didn't kill Verso
Looks like she is.

They aren't sentient though

>>719863027 (OP)
Renoir is the only character painted and real world that had pure intentions.
> real renoir
If you see them as Gods, the life a creator isn't worth the life of one world. Her death is essentially stealing the potential life of exponentially more sentient beings.

If you view them as soulless husks its a man who loves his family and trying all he can to save his wife.
> Painted renoir
His entire life has been lived there, that's all he knows. The paintress gave him life and gives her grateful protection. He does anything he can to save his family who are real to him.

If you picked verso because you agreed with his arguments you are just retarded. Verso was just a suicidal selfish cunt. He didn't actually care about anyone.

Maelle is still the wrong choice if you believe in the sentient argument though. All of those people already died they got their chance to live even if it was a tragic life. Maelle could go on as other said and go on to create new worlds of sentient beings; without killing herself for a groundhog day utopia.

The purest ending would be maelle just leaving painted verso alone in a blank canvas with only a piano.

>>719863027 (OP)
they are not sentient beings you dumb fucking retarded mongolid

>>719885496
I only agreed with you. All of the characters agree with you too btw

Sentience does not imply sapience, and for all we know they might be philosophical zombies.

>>719883360
>Fighting his wife and forcing them both to spend even longer inside
>Retards think this is not an objectively worse way to go about it

OMG LOOK AT THESE SENTIENT BEINGS
IF YOU DELETE YOUR SAVE GAME YOU ARE A MURDERER

>>719863027 (OP)
Sorry you're retarded, OP

>>719886029

>When the wife and daughter are finally ejected from the burnt canvas, they are able to move on with their lives as a family

Wow, Renoir what were you thinking?

>>719885694
Why do some people have this rabid burning hate for Verso? Is it jealousy? I genuinely can't understand it. Do you hate Esquie and Monoco too? They knew about his plan and helped him do it, even lied to everyone in the same way.

>>719884317
>Esquie most powerful being in the painting
>Doesn't help with the axons or any nevron for that matter
What was his problem?

>>719886110
It's funny. Your mom said the same thing about you when I fucked her last night.

post her feet

>>719886172
Alicia at least will just end up killing herself some other way, except maybe first she'll make some meager contribution to some shit world
Definitely worth the genocide

>>719881390
I wish I had a harem of 5 Gustaves.

>>719886101
And retards will still claim a sim's desire to be deleted outweighs it's human player's desire to continue playing kek

>>719886185
Verso is a hypocrite with a suicide drive strong enough to kill the family he loves just so he doesn't have to live

>>719886319
Why are you gay?

>>719886371
He's handsome and adorable and charming.

>>719886409
Freak

I love it when a childish medium such as video games or anime gets a mildly serious entry and all the normalfags and assorted brown people lose their minds because something as simple as "thing A is intentionally ambiguous to reinforce theme B" is completely impossible for them to comprehend. It's a total lack of being able to have any kind of abstract thinking, they're effectively illiterate.

>>719886345
But that human is hurting herself and a bunch of real people by getting addicted to the escapism of the game, and if she isn't stopped, she will go insane and the world will be destroyed anyway.

The ONLY reason that Renoir insists on destroying the painting is because his wife and daughter got insanely addicted to it. If they just visited it sometimes, there would be no problem.

>>719886029
It's fucking hilarious how he just makes the problem worse. Aline wasn't in any danger until he started fighting with her, and then he pushes his amnestic daughter back in only for her to get addicted too.

>>719886559
>just let people enjoy things!!!

>>719886185
> kills gustave to make it easier to manipulate everyone
> pushes for deep conversations even romance to people he wants to kill
> seethes when maelle mercy kills, when he wants a full genocide of innocents.
> Lies about what's going on constantly
> everything he does points more to him caring more about being dead than helping anyone.

His friends were being loyal to him. They were just ride or die which he didn't deserve.

Im not even sure Esquie even has a full comprehension what he's helping do. He's the downy friend.

>>719886634
Indeed. Aline could've had time to grieve in those 67 years but the fighting caused her to cling to the canvas even more.

>>719886559
Renoir didn't put her in there, he probably never even wanted her in there. Aline made her go in so she go do other shit

>>719886261

>Makes shit up
>Refuses to embrace reality
>MUH ESCAPISM SUICIDE IS SUPERIOR

Yup, I'm thinkin Maelle fans are retarded.

>>719886905
Sorry I meant clea made her go in

>>719886905
Yeah, but he forced her back in when his clone tried to expel her.

>>719886852
>grieves for 67 years and her health was beginning to fail IRL because of it
>"she just needed a bit more time"
lol Renoir did only what was necessary, and he didn't enjoy it at all. People forget that he's also hurting and grieving, and the pain is fresher for him than either of the girls because they've been hiding out in the canvas playing make-believe for decades

>>719886553
>But that human is hurting herself
Doesn't matter. Maelle is a human, Verso is a toy. His opinion only holds value if his "life" is of equal worth to her life. By extension that would also mean the other painted humans, as well as likely the gestrals and grandis, are also equal to hers. Why does one life matter more than hundreds to thousands?
>the world will be destroyed anyway
That's an assumption based on nothing

>>719887140
The answer to your first question is the same as the second. Staying too long in the canvas fucks you up mentally and physically. Aline once saved Renoir from it, and now he's trying to do the same for her.

>>719887202
That has nothing to do with what I said

>>719877739

It is completely acceptable to interpret a story in a manner the creator did not intend. The family drama may have been the basic idea of the story but it really ends up being much more like Greek mythology with evil gods who just casually toss away human lives without a care to solve their own personal problems. The people of Lumiere and their struggles are just established too well to just completely discard them as background extras by the end of the story

>>719885694
>Verso was just a suicidal selfish cunt
He had his out when Renoir was gommaging him and chose to fight alongside Alicia instead of dying, so you're objectively wrong.

>>719863027 (OP)
I was honestly expecting the whole continent besides Lumiere to get wiped at the end of act2. The twist being the opposite was a nice surprise.

>>719887116
Yeah, she did need more time. Too bad Renoir can't grieve without clinging to her. The fighting caused her to cling to the canvas even more.

>>719887398
What? If the painter in a painting goes completely insane, what do you think it's gonna look like in there? And when (not if) that happens, what do you think is going to happen to that painting IRL? Renoir will just hang it on the wall and leave it be?

Get a hold of yourself, fool.

>>719886029
>Fighting his wife and forcing them both to spend even longer inside
Headcanon.
>>719886559
>It's fucking hilarious how he just makes the problem worse. Aline wasn't in any danger until he started fighting with her
Headcanon.

>>719887526
Not even headcanon, it directly contradicts several things shown and stated in the game directly.

>>719887484
>You need several lifetimes worth of time to grieve about your dead son
Sure.

>>719887420
He felt guilt for 5 minutes before he found another out to cope

> er you lied because I said so. So I was correct to kill everyone

>>719886219
Esquie is not for violence.
>b-but the Bourgeon
He was just roughhousing.

>>719887420
He was always planning to betray them

>>719887494
Verso is not Renoir, retard. Learn to read.

>>719865456
>Retard doesn't realize the last boss is a completely different character.
Renoir II music is way better than the last boss though and feels like the real final boss 2/3s into the game

>>719887484
You don't heal wounds by repeatedly opening them again. What she was doing wasn't grieving.

>>719887640
Changing the subject, huh?

>>719887086
She didn't want to leave
>Respect Maelle's wishes!
>NO NOT LIKE THAT

>>719887594
Exactly. She's the head of the painters council. Both her and Renoir have spent longer in other canvases. I think a few more lifetimes could've actually helped her.

>>719887629
That directly contradicts the entirety of act 3.
>yeah I will help Alicia become goddess of the painting
>then I will betray her when she's at her most powerful and wreck everything
>instead of siding with the more powerful person trying to do it from the get go
RETARD

>>719887684
>Changing the subject, huh?
It's always been the subject. You just can't read. >>719886345

>>719887597
He believed her, and was wrong to do so.
>>719887629
Headcanon. If his only desire was to die, all he had to do was sit there and let Renoir kill him. You need to engage in mental gymnastics to reduce Verso's motivations to "le suicidal."

>>719887747
>100 years in
>still grieving
>almost dead
Sure, just a little longer, as Alicia would put it.

>>719887776
You're just too angry to understand what's being communicated here, about Verso being right but that doesn't really matter because of the bigger picture. I get it, you hate him and want him to suffer forever and don't care about anything else, well then the Maelle ending is just for you.

>>719887526
Clea straight up says they've spent longer in other canvases, and they look fine after 51 years of fighting.

>>719887563
People with bad relationships with their father will simply invent reasons to hate Renoir.
>What the game tells us: We Painted hundreds of Canvas worlds, pushing the very boundaries of creation. And she never let me forget that every day we spend here has a price.
>What renoir-haters see: Yeah she was totally just chilling, she was gonna leave voluntarily any minute, she had it under control

>>719887563
No it isn't. Renoir caused the fracture yes so the world was fine. But Aline was dying and wouldn't leave. This is shown with maelle decaying when the world is fine. Renoir states being there kills you, Aline was never good

>>719887897
Changing the subject, huh?

>>719887916
It's probably a bit different in this one, given the extremely heavy emotional trauma reasons they're there. It's not like they're just vacationing somewhere and creating beautiful worlds for fun or whatever

>>719887916
>and they look fine after 51 years of fighting.
>aline is basically demented when you reach her
>borderline dying in the real worl
She says it's not THAT dire and she's helping renoir for a reason.
Clea is a stone cold bitch, but she knows what her mother is doing is killing her.

>>719887958
>This is shown with maelle decaying when the world is fine
she's in the early stages, and she's also stated repeatedly to be the weakest painter in the family. her time is running out quickly. Aline herself was already going nuts

>>719887629

Act 2 ending was always Verso's real plan though. He fully expected to die right there along with everyone else. I think he was struggling to figure out a new plan after that one didn't work

>>719887747
>Every day we spend here has a price
>But she'll totally be fine spending multiple lifetimes here.

>She's spent longer in other canvases
>So she'll totally be fine in in this one despite being in the worst mental state of her life and its uniquely seductive pull from having her dead son's soul in it
This man did nothing wrong and you may now continue your pants-shitting melty about that very basic fact.

>>719887916
>spent longer in other canvases
Did they have the soul of her recently slain son in them and did she enter them in the wake of the worst tragedy of her life?
>51 years
play the game

>>719888183
His new plan was
>maybe my sister is right, we can save Lumiere
>I'll just ignore the red flags
and then he got mindbroken by basically every single thing that happened during the renoir fight.

>>719888184
She did have it under control. The fracture caused her to relapse and she wasn't in any danger at the start. Even Renoir's journal entry points out that he can't cope without clinging to her and being a control freak. It's specifically why he leaves Alicia in the canvas at the end of the game.

>>719863027 (OP)
Renoir did NOTHING wrong

>>719888332
That's very obviously the case but because it reveals that Verso was willing to work with Alicia if she was willing to do what was best for herself and the canvas, it will be ignored by verso haters and aliciafags

>>719863027 (OP)
The game is about emphasizing with godlike aristocrats over the millions they're torturing and murdering. Genuinely a worse story than Metroid: Other M because at least that wasn't fucking propaganda for the elites.

>>719888383
Aline, herself, would agree with what renoir is doing if she was sane.

>>719888462
>the game gives you one hell of a trolley dilemma
>fag gets mad because normal people sympathize with someone who would choose their family over some randos

>>719888462
Keep the politics out of it. Rich aristocrats are not the same as painters who control the very fabric of reality within the painting.

>>719888383
>She did have it under control.
She was living a fake life with a fake version of her family. She did not have it under control. You may continue to be wrong, if you wish. No one in the world will tell you a good way to cope with the death of your son is to pretend that he's alive. You know it, too, you just feel extremely emotionally about Renoir and will say whatever justifies shitting on him. I hope you patch things up with your dad.

>>719888462
the millions literally can't exist without verso's soul painting, and it's not even his fault he only signed up to paint comfy gestral land

>>719888462
>muh elites
If the dessendres were broke and Alicia's life outside the canvas was in a hovel Renoir would still be right.

>>719863027 (OP)
And? Burning the world to save your loved ones is antagonist 101. What would you prefer? A mustacher-twirling comically evil villain? I do like those too, mind you, but that wouldn't work on either the setting or the genre

Painted renoir was right.
Renoir was righter.
Verso was the rightest (only character who asked the one actually doing the painting what he wanted to do).

>>719888718
None of it would be necessary if Aline and Maelle just coped better. They leave Renoir no choice, he won't abandon his family after he just lost his son. Not to mention, the bit of real Verso's soul that's left in the painting doesn't want any of this shit anyway. He didn't paint Lumiere or any of these people, he just made a fun fantasy world and now his mom and sister are killing themselves in it

>>719888776
>only character who asked the one actually doing the painting what he wanted to do
He didn't though. He asks a leading question in order to stop him from painting.

>>719888776
>pRenoir

I 100% understand how Maelle feels, but I ended up picking Verso because if I were in his place I wouldn't want to see someone I love rotting away in the real world to stay where I am. Plus, the canvas' world was already ruined anyway, it was no longer the original Verso's painting as he wanted it to be.

>>719887943
That really does seem to be the truth of the matter.

>>719863027 (OP)
Isn't this the early 1900s? Just have her put into an asylum. A good lobotomy would do wonders.

>>719865726
Lune makes a big deal out of it but is mostly motivated to resurrect everyone with Maelle's power while Sciel being the best girl that she is was pretty understanding of Verso's situation so didn't really hold it over him all that much

>>719889662
Lune, being so smart, should realize that if you're in a world where omnipotent beings can just snap you in or out of existence at any time and change anything about you at will, then you're not really alive anyway

>>719889754
Their whole lives have been at the mercy of the paintress, knowing that it's not a real-real world changes nothing.
Would you have a mental breakdown if you knew our world is a simulation?

>>719863027 (OP)
He was right to do so.

>>719887943
maybe the maelle ending could be good if she was actually honest to her father and would leave the painting.

there is one thing I dont really get though. not really sure what the deal with little boy verso is(the one that needs to keep painting). is he just there to make versos ending seem better for normies, but I feel like even without him you would know versos ending is better

>>719889823
>Would you have a mental breakdown if you knew our world is a simulation?
lol what? Yeah that would affect me quite significantly, why wouldn't it? And once again, in the painting context, you'd have to realize that you're more like a passing figment of their imagination than anything else. Like a dream, and if there was every really a "you" to begin with. It's not that they deserve to live or die, it's that there's really no difference for them

>>719866259
16 year olds can legally be gangbanged by several dozen 50 year old men in 90% of the world, including most of US.

>>719876903
They didn't. She's skin and bones, nothing there can jiggle. The only jiggling is Lune and Sciel's chests

>>719866924
This study is the greatest proof we will ever have that poltards are genuinely low IQ retards and sociopaths.

>>719890056
And Gustave's and Verso's pecs and bulges.

>>719889967
> lol what? Yeah that would affect me quite significantly, why wouldn't it?
Have you tried not being a cuck? Carpe diem

>>719890235
If you found out that you were just an ephemeral thing in my mind, that would have no effect on you? You're lying to yourself.

>>719867792
>So was that one FF XIV expansion everyone jacks off
lol you mean the worst expansion to date? Nobody jacks it off the fuck you on?

>he wouldn't wipe out the entire world just to save his mom
you're all bad sons

>>719871283
The only reason people don't agree with Verso's choice is because Maelle and Luna are hot and everything else is just cope formed around it to make the reason seem less pathetic

>>719889754
Thankfully they aren't omnipotent as they get ejected from the painting several times

>>719890484
I'd wipe out the world for free, fuck all of you brainrot kiddies

>>719890774
... by other painters.

>>719890774
By other painters. The people in the painting can't do shit if the painters want to turn them all into fish in outer space or something

>>719889967
The revelation that paintress is someone from a different plane of existence and they weren't exactly right about her doesn't really change much when they believed she's a god.
No religion worries about humanity nor being "real" because they were created by gods living in a divine realm and that's who painters are from perspective of lumerians.

>>719890774
ejected by who?
>another family member
only the omnipotent ever had any control

>>719874892
It was fully formed but like 100 years ago
Between that moment and now it changed organically

What if a Writer writes a book where every Painter is gay and retarded? Could they win the war?

>>719890836
>>719890906
>>719890853
did you just miss versos ending? He ejects Alicia there

>>719891097
Only way to win against verso is basically gommaging him and Alicia would never do that.

>NOOO YOU CANT MAKE HER GO BACK TO REALITY SHES CRIPPLED
She has god powers and can make her own canvas
Shes just a cunt who wants to leech of her dead brothers forever.

Verso has a legal right to tell the squatters to fuck off from his home.

>>719863027 (OP)
great metaphor for the suicide cult of the left. gay and immigration and trauma and psycho, throw away the white race abd civilization.

>>719863027 (OP)
>entire civilisation
lol, lmao
They are painted puppets with some personality.
They do not create or evolve.

>>719891158
Alicia does do that in her ending, though

>>719891097
>>719891158
So I guess there is one thing that the painted people can do to influence their world. Form (or be "born" with) an emotional connection to a Painter and convince them to do something, somehow. Even then though, another painter could come by and just erase all of it in an instant, or the painting could just be destroyed IRL.

Imagine how many paintings and worlds were destroyed when the mansion burned.

>>719891314
she sends him back to the painting and then repaints him

>>719891265
>They do not create or evolve.
Gustave made that Lumina Converter which was a brand new idea, and the only reason his expedition got so far.

>>719887943
The amount of streamers I've seen who are so conditioned by Hollywood to hate their own fathers was really fucking funny in this context. It's rare to see such a mask-off moment on such a large scale.

>>719891265
>can't create
Gustave directly proves this wrong.
>can't evolve
Expedition 60.

>>719891265
The gestrals ironically did.
They grow over their resets and rebirths.
Theoretically the painted people could if they stopped getting mass genocided by the various asshole painters who keep squatting in their world.

But thats the issue with Alicias ending, her and her mom will never fuck off.

>>719891097
maybe headcanon, but maybe he was helped by the true Verso's soul who didn't want his mother and sister to die in his painting.

>>719891407
I hate to admit but I've seen a good number of them doing this. Its funny seeing their faces contort as they process "wait he's doing good and he loves his family? But he's the white old man.. he's supposed to be evil"

You know maelle's ending is bad when it starts playing the fucking title menu song, but in french this time.

>>719891407
>>719891594
It was clever to show Renoir at first as the big bad evil guy, then later you learn he's actually a kind man who's trying to protect what's left of his family while also dealing with a lot of pain by himself.

>>719891594
The streamer reaching the ending of E33 rabbit hole
>maelle is the main character!
>but renoir lowkey makes sense?
>b-but this can't be!
and then
>I'M CHOOSING MAELLE ANYWAY
>WHAT THE HELL THIS WAS A SHIT ENDING WHY WAS IT SO SHIT

The worth of the beings inside the canvas shouldn't be about sentience or sapience, since we can't know that for sure either way. What we do know are certain facts about their existence. Human life is precious because it is ephemeral and fragile; it cannot be made, unmade and remade on a whim. Therefore, the beings inside the canvas are not as precious as real human lives. This does not mean that they are worthless, before you want to put those words into my mouth.

Alicias ending is just Versos ending but worse.

Cleo and Renoir are just going to burn the fucking painting when Alicia and Aline finishing killing themselves inside of it.

Its the same shit except you murder half of the family to get there.

>>719863027 (OP)
>only now questioning the meaning of life
Congratulations

>>719863027 (OP)
god is a rapist

>>719891683
>kind
Don't oversell it, he's doing something terrible to the Lumierenes and he knows it. It's simply a decision a lot (most) fathers would make to save the lives of their wives and daughters. He's not being kind but he's being extremely loving.

>>719891794
>Human life is precious because it is ephemeral and fragile
This is simply a cope invented by you, a human, dealing with the fact that his own life is ephemeral and fragile.
>I'm gonna die and the only thing that awaits my consciousness is oblivion? th-that's a good thing actually
>But hey my physical form is somewhat more robust than those painted intelligences that display no discernible intellectual differences from me, so they must be less valuable!

>NO DAD I HID THE PAINTING WHERE MOM WILL NEVER FIND IT AGAIN
>5 minutes later she re-enters the painting
I laughed so hard at that, I hope the final battle having Aline enter and help was supposed to be humor at Maielles retarded expense and not "badass"

>>719891845
There's zero evidence they'll erase the painting after they die

>>719890590
You forgot about Sciel. Girl Squall was definitely my favorite female in the game

>>719892152
Clea even called her out, she was impressed with what a good hiding spot it was but followed immediately with "but she'll still find it." Aline reentering was definitely a subtle hint that Alicia is wrong about everything. It's played with epic music and emotional weight, the same things that consistently mask details in the game that make you go "wait something's wrong." It's a good subversion of JRPG tropes which is why so many people who are completely averse to change dislike the game.

>>719869319
Well Verso has the unfortunate knowledge to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is also one of those "fake people". He knows who created, and for what purpose, that his deception to all the expeditioners would be better than letting the entire world know that their entire existence is just some figment of a greater intelligences imagination. If they even choose to believe him that is.

>>719892139
>>I'm gonna die and the only thing that awaits my consciousness is oblivion? th-that's a good thing actually
I implied the exact opposite of what you're trying to infere here. How is it a "cope" if this is how life works? It's even less likely that these canvas creations have a soul, so I don't know what you're trying to pull here.

>>719892152
When she went
>no dad, I'm not like mom, I'm special
I knew she was wrong

>>719892285
I didn't forget her. I like her and she's my favourite girl but people don't really go to bat for her so I left her out. They all lack taste. Sciel also wasn't angry about Verso's decision just a bit disappointed unlike Lune who was visibly upset so people always latch on to her when making their point about who was right

>>719863027 (OP)
Can you really tell if the paintings are sentient
they could just be good imitations moved by verso's soul painting, no more sentient than a chatbot

>>719866924
This proves right wingers deal with problems while left wingers prefer to run away in their own safe space.

>>719892285
Yeah, but Sciel is understanding of what verso is doing so the cope doesn't work.
She was, without a shadow of doubt, best girl, also, best chemistry with verso (disregarding Alicia's yandere incest vibes).

>>719892419
To drop the mask and stop memeing, the real psychological definition of "cope" is a good thing. Finding value in our brief existence is a healthy cope. The common internet usage of "cope" is really just delusion, which is what you used to get to the nonsensical conclusion of "the even briefer existence of the painted people is somehow less precious." You assigned the value entirely arbitrarily.
>soul
Not touching that one since I don't think our beliefs align and it's unlikely we'll convince each other on that front.

>>719892294
>Clea even called her out, she was impressed with what a good hiding spot it was but followed immediately with "but she'll still find it."
I don't think that last bit is correct, I think Aline only figured out where the painting was because Clea told her.

>>719892139
>This is simply a cope invented by you, a human, dealing with the fact that his own life is ephemeral and fragile.
As opposed to what? Magical beings in a video game?

>>719892459
Her first dialog with Verso back in Lumiere reveals that there was never an instance where she wasn't deluding herself.
Verso: It was killing my… our mother, staying here so long in a make-believe world with her make-believe family.
Maelle: It’s not make-believe. It’s not… You’re not… To me. Papa’s here. He’ll help me fix Lumière.
Verso: Will he?
Maelle: Maman painted a rather unflattering portrait of him. He’s much warmer than the Renoir you know.
Verso: I bet.
Verso is already in "here we go again" mode hearing this bullshit, and the first thing she does when she talks to her dad is talk about how now the canvas is her home.

>>719892225
>should we keep this painting around
>killed my wife
>killed my daughter
>last piece of dead sons soul is trapped in there, cursed to toil in the painting mines forever
>yeah fuck it, lets keep it
Are you actually this stupid Anon? Renoir is destroying it the first chance he gets.

>>719892596
Alicia: If we bring Maman out of the Canvas, she’ll try to return. We must hide the Canvas…
Clea: Well-reasoned. And such a… clever hiding spot you’ve chosen. She’ll still find it, but… I’m impressed. This only truly ends if you destroy the Canvas.
Does anything suggest Clea told Aline? WHY would Clea tell Aline? Clea wants everyone out of the canvas, Aline going in would prolong the struggle.

So does time move differently in the canvas? Like has only a couple weeks passed in the real world or do painters just have long as fuck lifespans?

>>719892704
>>last piece of dead sons soul is trapped in there, cursed to toil in the painting mines forever
If he thought it was that torturous, he wouldn't have let literal children paint in the first place, would he? Surely you aren't actually this stupid

>>719892704
Verso never wanted to paint but he made the canvas before he grew old enough to find the courage to tell his parents as much. The only thing that made Verso's soul happy was playing with his family. But they'd all moved on. Ironically, if Alicia were willing to leave the canvas and use it responsibly, she could go in and play with Verso's soul and keep it happy forever (if either her or Clea ever got their fucking heads straight and had kids to introduce new generations to keep playing.) All Alicia had to do was leave the canvas and go to the bathroom.

>>719892802
Time moves differently. Maelle is born in the canvas and lives there for 16 years while only a few hours pass in the real world. Presumably the Painters can control the flow of time in their canvas.

>>719892853
Verso didn't want to paint, the children were just expected to do so. His soul is being made to perpetually do something it doesn't want to do. The fact that he used to get to play with his family made up for it, but that time is gone. Alicia could've brought it back if she'd acted right but she only wanted to be in the canvas to delude herself into feeling like Verso was Alive (and therefore that she hadn't killed him).

>>719891794
Anon that's a very well thought out and reasonable post. I'm not surprised the first reply was full blown edgy. I had similar thoughts, death is the grounding reality factor for the family. They can't get Verso back. The people of Lumiere can be brought back. Opens up the questions of "is it really you though?" and how when they die they have the same terror and sadness we do. Like you said it doesn't make them worthless by any means but it is worth mentioning.

>>719892768
I posited that because Clea is someone who likes to work behind the scenes. Initially she might think that getting everyone out of the Canvas one by one is a good idea but she might've changed her mind considering that Renoir is unbeatable by Alicia and the party and that Alicia would need back up, which would be Aline.

>>719892564
I didn't say "brief existence". The important part is the combination of things, especially that they can be remade. Life does indeed lose inherent value if death can be overwritten, since almost all of our experiences are tied to the limited nature of our existence. This is also not the same as living forever, mind you.

>>719893193
I think it's just more likely that Aline is connected to the painting by magic. She's the best painter of the family, has spent years with it and everyone, including Renoir, feels that it's inevitable that she'll find it. It's easier to presume she can sense the painting somehow than think Clea told her and risked her life.

>>719893193
WHY would Clea want Renoir to be defeated? Her goal is for him to win. If Renoir wins he's going to leave the canvas willingly and destroy it such that no one else can enter. What you're proposing is that Clea is working behind the scenes to undermine her own goals. It makes no sense.

>>719863027 (OP)
Maelle's reaction to learning that Verso let Gustave die is what ruined it for me. She kind of just accepts it without incident. Should have given the player the option to fight Verso right there or at least kick him out of the party if you felt so inclined.

Also Lune is a poorly written self insert for the main writer, but Lune is hot so I can kind of forgive her for being poorly written.

>>719893271
>I didn't say "beief existence".
Oh my bad you said ephemeral, what a meaningful difference. Have a good one anon.

>western streamers when they play E33
>DOOD heckin EPIC dood, I can't believe they killed him like that, fuck you old man (they can't remember or pronounce his name), YAAASSS these girls are so badass and powerful, fuck you Verso you LIED to US (they keep self-inserting)
>japanese streamers
>I can understand both sides, but I feel really bad for Papa, and Maelle is just a kid after all, the painting is the painting no matter what

>>719892768
The thing is Aline left willingly immediately after beating Renoir. Maybe she convinced Clea that she came to her senses and Clea's impatient as to why he's still in the painting?

>>719893501
It displayed very clearly that Alicia is not Maelle.
>lune is poorly written
What makes you feel that way?

>>719893610
You're a faggot for the "muh grorious wapanese" but the number of people pronouncing her name ALESHA pissed me off to no fucking end.

God verso acted like such a faggot at the end.

Gustave, sciel, lune. These characters existence and proven humanity showed that the painting shouldn't be destroyed. The ONLY one who wasnt happy there was verso, some retard who was already dead anyway. Maelles ending is pure good until the writers wheel versos gay ass out to play and pretend that banishing his painter child didnt solve his issues anyways. He wants to play music not paint, Maelle gave him his dream life. She didnt have to and probably shouldn't have if it meant hed walk around remembering how much of a pussy he was.

Everyone else in the room is happy to be alive.

>>719892768
put alicia on the dads side did speed things up pretty drastically. she cut the time down by a 1/3, so it was a pretty big brain move.

>>719893746
Once Alicia dies the paintings getting nuked from orbit by Renoir lol
The only thing that does is prolong it

>>719893532
'Ephemeral' refers to the fact that human lives cannot be brought back. It's not about the time span. You could've grasped that from the context of the game and our discussion, but sadly you are very brown and can therefore only form opinions based on Youtube essays and streamer reaction videos.

>>719893630
We see her body falling apart, she's keeled over coughing and dying outside the canvas. It's far more likely that she realized how fucked her body was than that Clea for some reason assumed Renoir decided to do a total 180 and stay in the canvas. Are you really arguing that Clea thought Renoir was going to stay? While thinking Aline went in to stop him from destroying the canvas?

>>719893610
Well it is a jRPG after all.
Complete with melodramatic story and twist. I liked it for that reason though.

>>719893735
I think most japanese are bugmen but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't borderline illiterate like the general western audience.

>>719893610

People who want to commit genocide shouldn't get what they want and liars should be forced to keep their promises. The Maelle ending is what Verso deserves

>>719893746
>Maelle gave him his dream life.
Watching his sister die in front of him? Given that he already died once to prevent that, I'd say you're both wrong and a faggot,

>>719893798
Renoire being a faggot has no effect on the choice of a person with morals.

>>719863027 (OP)
they aren't real

>>719893891
You're good people.

>>719893774
I'm confused as to what you're trying to say. The only thing Aline did was end the fight in favor of Alicia. If Renoir had won, everyone would be out, which is what Clea wanted.

>>719893923
Nobody is dying

>>719893892
This is every low IQ Youtube comment I've seen in the past 3 months combined. The constant focus on le genocide (the people already died at the end of Act 2) and le liar (Maelle lies all the time).

>>719893746
grow up

>>719893659
>It displayed very clearly that Alicia is not Maelle.
More like she is now Alciia with Maelle within.
>What makes you feel that way?
She's just always is right and is always moving the story to the right direction. She doesn't really have any personality other than she plays guitar, either. She even gets her own cut scene where she kills Sirene.

>>719893993
Fuck off marche. Stop trying to force people to be crippled forever.

>>719893746
besides the gestrals everyone else is 2 layers of fan fiction. they were never meant to be there in the first place. the only loss from destroying the painting is the gestral homies who are all pretty simple minded since they were drawn by a child

>>719893814
You're not just wrong, but also a faggot.

>>719893501
Maelle would have, Alicia puts verso above anyone.

I love how consistent it is that nobody seems to have noticed that Maelle dies at the end of Act 2.

>>719893986
Aline and Alicia are both dying as a result of deluding themselves in the canvas. You are wrong, but that's okay, no one can make you admit it.

>>719894094
>brownoid looks up definition of the word but is unable to abstract it
Keep going lol.

>>719894063
>More like she is now Alciia with Maelle within.
Maelle is her larp personality, Alicia is the best example of a dessendre psychopath in the game.

>>719893923
Watching his sister die in front of him?
That was his fault and Maelle isn't his sister.

>>719863027 (OP)

Verso isn't gonna let his sacrifice be for nothing, the family needs to move on with it's fucking life and stop abusing their fucking power and creating sentience to cope with reality.

Renoir is right, Clea is right, Verso is right


Alline is wrong, Alicia is wrong, there is no Maelle, Robert Pattison is not your borther/father, and you are a fag

>>719863027 (OP)
I get the impression that Aline was breaking a taboo by making a bunch of sentient painting people in the first place.

>>719863027 (OP)
It's a reminder that reality is subjective and life is inevitable. We are wandering motes creating reality around ourselves.

>>719894236
>and Maelle isn't his sister.
As far as his feelings and memories go, she actually is. Aline painted him too well.

>>719894063
>She's just always is right
She's wrong to trust Verso, she admits she was living her whole life wrong by always shunning what she wanted to do in favor of her mission, she was wrong to not want to go save Maelle with Gustave, her decision to land where Expedition 0 did was an abject disaster, the list goes on. She's not always right.
>She doesn't really have any personality
At the camp, you can talk to the characters and choose to spend time with them to see cut scenes.

>>719894094
Nigga the antonym is right there. Death is permanent. Now what word would you use to describe the quality of a life where death can be unmade?

>>719894215
>Can't argue, can only shame by saying "you are like me."
Like an indian poorly imitating a jew's tactics. Goodbye ranjesh.

>>719894305
No, he's deluding himself just like Maelle is. He let his actual sister die.

>>719863027 (OP)
cringe

>>719894382
>more ESL babble

>>719894084
Seeing the faces sciel and lune make (pure betrayal and disgust). That memory is real and will haunt Maelle for the rest of her life. I found the part at versos grave where ghosts versions of all the characters you just betrayed and killed waved at you to be hilariously out of touch. Just a final turd shat onto you face. You killed your best friend's after lying to them that you'd save their world. Theyre totally thankful! None of them had plans to live long lives with their loved ones or anything.

>>719894278
she's allowed to make sentient beings but not facsimiles

>>719866268
Stupid logic.

So pretty much what I'm understanding from this story is that women are either batshit crazy or fucking retarded.

people are really still mad they got the bad ending huh

>>719894576
And men must tard wrangle them.

>>719894560
Verso understood himself wrong. Imagine listening to a ghost who only wants his own death, even if it costs thousands more.

>>719890139

I don't believe you actually understand what that image is even communicating, fish fucker.

Verso's ending is the wrong choice because Aline and Alicia will simply relapse and paint their own versions of him again. Yes, my logic does count as proof for my headcanon.

>>719894684
>only wants his own death
>does not allow Renoir to bring about his death
You simply did not understand the game.

>>719894728
you realize what made it so intoxicating was that Verso's soul was the paint behind those creations including the painted Verso. Without that sliver of Verso it won't be the same

>>719894618
Verso is the only one who thinks its bad. But hes also always been a pussy. One of the first things he says when you meet him is that he had no problem killing your big brother. (Little brother seething syndrome)

>>719893976
I might be getting character names mixed up sorry. I meant the person inside maelle

>>719894728

Retardlets can't fathom a future where a family can move on and grow, while supporting each other which has been evidenced 1000's of times in the game.

Really makes you think.

>>719894576
It's a surprisingly based story despite having strong female fighters in it. Even more so considering that one of the two writers is a woman.

>>719894898
>when you meet him
you didn't play the game

>>719894768
Renoire cant kill him.

>>719866259
I mean she is 16 in canvas too so she is 32

>>719894397
painted!Alicia wanted to die just like him but he got mad about it. Also it didn't seem to have cared much for him either considering she ignored him.

>>719894898
the fuck are you talking about?

>>719895040
Play the game.

>>719894459
are you getting characters mixed up? painting verso sees those faces not maelle.

>>719894987
Renoir can gommage verso and is in the process of doing so when Alicia shows up. Verso chooses to flee with Alicia (because they cannot possibly fight Renoir at that moment). You should play through the game before commenting on the story.

>>719894898
>One of the first things he says when you meet him is that he had no problem killing your big brother
what?

>autists, Youtube essayists and brown people confused and angry at ambivalent storytelling
A tale as old as time.

>>719894860
Just paint another.
>>719894943
Idk according to the other headcanon-ending anon moving on and growing is an impossibility

Literally the only one not happy in Maelles ending is verso. It is well established that what he thinks doesnt matter, to his entire family, because he never existed past toddler age.

The devs made maelle go out of character and revive him to so they could attempt to make that ending look bad. Verso is just a wet blanket. More womanly than all of the female characters.

>>719895120
>Renoir can gommage verso
it wasn't gonna work, he would've just came back
"maman's gift"

>>719895131
You surely meant ambiguous.

>>719895120
Alicia isnt in the painting. She never was.

>>719895152
>Just paint another.
you can't paint that anon, the little boy can't be replicated, it's a part of Verso's soul

>>719895194
He gommaged painted Renoir who had the same gift, so you are wrong. I recommend playing through the story so that you can comment on it accurately.
>>719895186
Verso died when he was 26, I recommend playing the game.

>>719894289
The scars are whatever, but the empty eye socket is creepy.
Also, why did Aline pain Alicia with white hair, still burned and grey. Painted Renoir and Verso looks indistinguishable from other humans. Does she hate her that much.
Throughout the game I thought that scheme is reserved for outsiders so I thought she's the real one or something.

>>719895205
That too. But it's also ambivalent, since the contradicting feelings that the game is trying to stir are intentional.

>>719895295
Verso died as a child. Hence his real form being a child.

>>719895263
Alicia was always in the painting, unconsciously as Maelle during acts 1 and 2, and consciously with all of her memories and personality in Act 3. I strongly recommend playing the game, it's very good.
>>719895339
Ambivalent writing would mean the writers were ambivalent about it, I think you just misspoke, which people do all the time.

>>719895295
>He gommaged painted Renoir
painted Renoir was not given the same level of immortality Aline gave her proxy son

Verso and marche

The no fun allowed brigade.

>>719895186
>autist can't understand facial expressions
If this looks happy to you then you have low IQ.

>I cant fuck maelle anymore
>I'm gonna kill my self

>>719895318
>Also, why did Aline pain Alicia with white hair, still burned and grey.
Because she was being a cunt to her daughter, because went into the canvas probably only a few days after said daughter causes the death of her son. It's a pretty unthinkable position for a parent to be in. If Aline were actually grieving and healing in the canvas, she would've restored Alicia's eye, skin, and voice.

https://youtu.be/Y3jpL-j4tM4

This pink-haired vtumor has more intelligent insights to the ending of this game than most people in this thread.

>>719895431
Actually, her whole family was painted to be immortal.

>>719895346
Verso died in his twenties

>>719895467
based gustave

>>719895404
Both forms of Alicia in game are fake. Painted by Aline. Next time you play the game read too.

>>719895404
>Ambivalent writing would mean the writers were ambivalent about it, I think you just misspoke, which people do all the time.
It can mean both, I should've clarified that I mean the writing in itself is meant to be ambivalent, not the writing process.

>>719895346
Verso painted the canvas as a child, which is why the soul fragment is a child's. Real verso died at 26 years old. He's Alicia's older brother, and she was 16 when got got burned up.

>>719895527
Claims like this need citations. His "true" form is a child painting against his will. This is backed up by versos own statements.

>>719895516
Verso and Aline are white petals when they die, painted Renoir's petals are red like all Lumierians

>>719895431
What in the game suggests that? Painted Verso says they're the same and painted Renoir even heals after the pre-paintress bossfight and can only be destroyed by the Curator's gommage. We're presented with nothing suggesting that Verso's immortality is different from painted renoir/alicia/clea.

>>719894709
No it's you who has no idea what you are parroting, low IQ nigger. The study asked participants to mark an extent of what they care about, so every ring includes everythihg inside. Half of rightoids are sociopathic enough to gloat they only care for themselves and at best their immediate family. And the other half is so retarded they don't even understand the question.

>>719895346
He painted the canvass as a child and that's the form that got imbued into the painting. He died much later and the painting was just a curiosity until Aline started painting over it after his death.

>>719895591
Thats more of the painting. The game goes full inception in versos ending.

>>719869490
>100 strangers are worth more than my one and only wife
Utilitarians are evil.

>>719895186
>More womanly than all of the female characters
Bros, it's officially not gay to want to rail him now

>>719895771
Verso propoganda

>>719895690
Red petals = Renoir gommaged them. The curator (Renoir) gommaged painted renoir. Alicia gommaged Aline, which is why the petals are yellow, not white, when the paintress is kicked out. You are wrong.

>>719895587
As in meant to provoke ambivalent reactions? I see.
>>719895707
My bad, I didn't know we were discussing your headcanon. I'll leave you to it.

>>719895806
why are Verso's petals white?

>>719889887
That's the last fragment of the real Verso, the part of himself he used to make the painting. It's part of the reason why Aline is so obsessed with the painting; it contains a small portion of her son's soul. It may also inform painted Verso's character somewhat, as both are tired of going on and want to die.

>>719895591
>December 33rd
Why do people discuss gay family drama and not the implications of this

I like how people forget that Alicia also repaints Sciel's husband. That was someone who died from an accident. She will simply repaint anything she doesn't like, until her real body dies.

>>719895905
It's his cum.

>>719895945
are you retarded?

>>719895905
Because he was Aline's creation and in the ending cutscene, no one is actively gommaging him. When Renoir is gommaging him at the end/beginning of act 2/3, his petals are red:
https://youtu.be/nQ-cf7RE6vE?si=KWMX_So3Dixr3Y0a&t=540
In the ending cutscene, when he's just lost the fight and is fading away, his petals are white because he was created by Aline. Alicia is not gommaging him and in fact refuses to do so, even bringing him back.

>>719895905
It looks like he's just being gommaged by the canvas itself. Same thing happens with Simon which is strange.

>>719895945
Some people have suggested the painter's world is also an illusion because of it but I don't see it as strange that a world with magic has a somewhat different calendar.

The devs forced maelles ending to be bad by making her go out of character and revive gay verso even after she made her own version of him already. The only way this ending is bad is if the descendre family is trapped in it while maelle hangs out. But that is never made clear. In fact its made more clear that gomagging painter version of a dessendre banishes them from the painting.

>>719896130
It's consistent, Simon is also Aline's creation like Verso, no one gommages him, he simply fades after being defeated in combat.

>>719896073
Not sure what calendar you guys use in India, but in most places December has 31 days

>>719896236
>The devs forced maelles ending to be bad
Both endings are bittersweet and you're seething that the one you prefer has flaws.
>trapped in it
Verso's soul is trapped in it.
>banishes them
Aline is gommaged and comes back.
>a bloo bloo bloo
You're a whiny faggot.

>>719896341
old french calendar

>>719896236
>actions have very foreseeable consequences
>this is le devs forcing it
Zoom zoom

>>719896236
>revive gay verso even after she made her own version of him already
What tf are you talking about?

>>719896354
verso level whining is all you have. You can die with him.

>>719896456
Who do you think maelle is holding hands with in her ending?

>>719894278
>>719894253
Aline had a woman moment but instead of locking herself in the bathroom, crying in the tub, she went into her dead sons childhood land and smattered her woman moment all over the place. For years, in a medium where staying longer = insanity. And Renior was so hellbent on preventing this because it happened to him before and Aline saved him.

this was really something special

>>719896536
that's Verso and Lune's kid retard

>>719896536
Oh yeah, I guess Aline did the same thing.

>>719896578
I wasn't sure when I first beat it if it was just recency bias, but months later I'm convinced. Definite GOTY.

>>719896619
Uhhh thats impossible since verso was only in love with Sciel.

>>719896536
The apprentices were some of the only people Maelle cared about.

>>719896689
Donkey kong will stomp. Every idea this game explores already happened in a GBA game 25 years ago.

>>719896530
This interview was so funny, you could tell that halfway through he thought he was talking to illiterate children. It's why he never even bothers to bring up the main inspiration for this game outside of french interviews, "La Horde du Contrevent".

>>719896536
that's Lune's kid, she's holding him and patting him on his head, probably Verso's kid if we go off of the wedding band and the lyrics of the song

>>719896715
Not so fast!

>verso saw this and said fuck it, I want to die
what a faggot

>>719896776
that's not the same kid at all lol

>>719896805
The French are just arrogant fags. They've always been like this. Their arrogance is literally in history books.

>>719896871
Uhmmm thats sciel, right...? RIGHT!?

>>719896426
The old French calendar used 30 days for every month

>>719896776
It's a different boy. Why else would he be in different clothes, especially the faded boy's clothes?

>>719896874
well first he fucked her and then said fuck it i want to die

>>719896978
While that's true, that moment wasn't one of arrogance. It's not arrogant to check out of an interview after a while when it becomes obvious that the other people at the table have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

>>719896978
>>719896805
That WAS a french interview, that was a french podcast, they're speaking french. It's just subtitled in English.

>>719896870
Lune is too autistic to have sex

>>719896536
it's Verso and Lune's kid

>>719897046
The second part of my post was just an addendum, I wasn't talking specifically about this interview.

>>719897025
That is a good point.

>>719896653
he looked so incredibly jewish and ugly but why does no one knows who he is

By nature of having multiple endings the games story is up for interpretation.

So all this "oh youre too dumb to understand what REALLY happened" is just more surrender-frog pansy speak. You left the ending open. The end.

>>719896805
>interviewers seething about maelle's ending for half the interview
>other half is Broche being a versofag

>>719896956
>>719896990
>change lighting slightly
>that's not the same person
I'm so fucking tired.

>>719896990
Everyone in that scene is wearing different clothes and he's not wearing the fading boy's clothes. It's difficult to see in the screenshot but if you play the game you'll see the fading boy has a little ascott-like thing around his neck and only one column of buttons on his coat.

>>719897272
>By nature of having multiple endings the games story is up for interpretation.
Correct, which means many people will disagree with your interpretation of your preferred ending. I hope you're okay with that.

>>719896689
It was funny watching the extreme shilling for Silk Song over the last few days as if that game had any real chance of competing with the best RPG of at least the last 20 years

>>719897373
>their "romance" boils down to lune venting and lashing out at her parents
Amazingly accurate

>>719897320
the kid at the end of the game has dark hair, dark eyes, darker skin, and no freckles, quit coping faggot

also why would he not be with gustave?

>>719897272
Having two possible endings does not mean that the ending is open.

>>719897373
She's just frustrated he hasn't answered all her questions yet.

>>719897469
>also why would he not be with gustave?
because gustave is flanked by sophie and maelle, the apprentice is only one seat away.

>>719897230
he's verso and lune's child

>>719897472
Im pretty sure it does. Otherwise there would just be one ending. In video game history the vast majority of multiple ending games have needed a sequel to prove which one was Canon

>>719897540
and Lune is all over him because?

>>719897556
Why?

>>719897643
>all over him
>pats his head and touches his shoulder as he sits down
Verso and Lune's romance is optional content and no one was angrier at him for betraying them, I simply do not feel compelled to believe they'd bother canonizing a child between them.

>>719897540
Why would Gustave's apprentice even be invited to a night out to the opera between friends? why would he not be sat next to Gustave? why would Lune not bring her own apprentice?
the kid and Lune are clearly related, she's very maternal towards him in the scene

>>719897643
BPD art hoes are like that.

>>719897556
>Maelle's ending looks like it's 10 years later
>Son is around that age
Did Verso and Lune concieve during the expedition? Oh shit is he killing his unborn child in his ending? LMAO

>>719897809
>I simply do not feel compelled to believe they'd bother canonizing a child between them.
the lyrics of the song pretty much imply it

>>719897841
what if instead of pouting behind the portal thing she told him she was pregnant

>>719897841
>Oh shit is he killing his unborn child in his ending?
yes

>>719897901
I'm unfamiliar with them, can you post them? genuine question, not doubting you

>>719897820
>Why would Gustave's apprentice even be invited to a night out to the opera between friends?
The audience is full of people and you see tons of kids in the crowd waiting in line outside.
>why would he not be sat next to Gustave?
Because alicia is in charge and wants to sit next to gustave.

>>719897965
That would just give him another reason to kill everybody

>>719897841
It looks like their first concert, so no.

>>719898108
It does look like his first concert. I just took it as Verso finally caving to Maelle's promise after 10 years of moping around.

>>719897841
That it's their kid at all is headcanon - certainly not impossible, but by no means established fact.

>>719879613
Yeah, but she plays it so much, she forgets to eat, drink, sleep and piss. So if you don't do it, she'll end up like this guy.

>>719898259
>10 years of moping around
Bitch is literally controlling and everyone is the same age.

>>719898315
Lune and Sciel look older. Hell, even Maelle looks older. Also where tf does this headcanon come from that she's controlling everybody? Did she magically outskill Clea despite being the worst painter in the family?

>>719898309
Based pissless arc. I kept wondering why she looked so dehydrated in the bad ending, didn't peg it for gamer rot. Honestly impressive how many full playthroughs she clocked in before collapsing like a Jenga tower.

>>719898524
She made verso mortal, age and took his scar. Esquie and Monoco are happily by the door despite knowing what versdo wanted.
>Lune and Sciel look older.
Literally the exact same models.

What seriously bugs me is that supposed "bad" ending plays after fuckall we know time because Alicia already has painting AIDS, and "good" ending is at best few months after everyone escaping, and it does not exactly even show what exactly Alicia is going to do with her fucked up life in a slightest.
That shit honestly happen in overwhelming amount of "escapism bad" routes where authors just push for the message but even they themselves have no fucking idea how to act in that situation so they leave it "open".
This time they wrote themselves into a corner by making IRL Alicia a fucking cripple with chronic pains, as if idea of chronic escapism itself wasnt a big psychological issue already - they actually gace Alicia a strong reason to do.

>>719898613
>What seriously bugs me is that supposed "bad" ending
There's not a bad or good ending.

>>719898613
>they actually gace Alicia a strong reason to do.
Which is why she had to stop.
The ending is a starting point, that's what it means.

>>719897991
NTA and I only did a quick google search. I'm not Fr*nch and this is from R*ddit so that other anon will have to hop in:
French version:
>Miroir du temps, nos histoires s’alignent
>Dans le creux de nos mains, deux mondes se dessinent
>L'un peint de rêves, où le chagrin s’efface
>L'autre, nu et réel, où notre deuil prend place
>Aux lendemains non écrits
>Sous les étoiles, où tout commence, rien ne finit
>Dans l'étreinte du destin
>Les liens restent, éternels, dans le dessin
>Toile vierge, horizon lointain
>Peignons ensemble, les couleurs de demain
>Au clair-obscur, oeuvres infinies
>Chaque pas trace la route d’une vie
English:
>Mirror of time, our stories align
>In the palm of our hands, two worlds take shape
>One painted of dreams, where sorrow fades
>The other naked and real, where our grief takes place
>To unwritten tomorrows
>Under the stars, where everything starts, nothing ends
>In fate’s embrace
>The bonds remain eternal in the drawing
>Blank Canvas, far horizon
>Paint together, the colors of tomorrow
>Au clair-obscur, infinite artworks
>Every step trace a life’s road
>To unwritten tomorrows
>Under the stars, where everything starts, nothing ends
>In fate’s embrace
>The bonds remain eternal in the drawing
Looks like it's just recapping the obvious. I don't see where there's a relationship hinted

>>719893892
>genocide is evil
>but it's good to torture a guy for eternity because he lied to me and I'm mad about it
Maellefags always choose that ending because they're children.

>>719898524

It's Versofag head canon to make the genocide more morally palatable

>>719893746
Verso was also the only one who knew the truth. You would choose happy ignorance.

>>719898837
Alicia can either alter people or she can't. She altered Verso.

>>719898837
>ending includes the sound of chroma and a light around verso right before the jumpscare
>this means nothing, this is fine, verso is doing what he wants

>>719895458
>missing eye
>even in her own painted reality she's still disfigured in the same way
Maelle ending is a horror ending

>>719898687
He can cope however he fucking wants, they went out of their way to make Maelle's ending look as bad one in terms of presentation. Even if that wasnt his intention, thats what they ultimately did. At what point people started pretend that videogame writers are always good in delivering shit they imagine in their heads?
>>719898687
And this is retarded way to present that message. Its basically "stop being poor" and "just buy a house" but on the topic of escapism, it completely shrugs off all the reasons, real and not real, that put a person into that situation.
Mind you EVERY time Alicia brings up the fact that her IRL life is fucked up beyond believe and basically a torture characters just stare at her for a moment and dialogue move on.

>>719898967
I mean he's certainly not doing what he wants, which is living. And the jumpscare is showing that he can't enjoy living life knowing Maelle is dying in the painting.

>>719897991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lM8fVR_oZw

Verso dans la nuit

Lune pres de lui

>>719899123
First meant for >>719898676

>>719897634
Pure cope, Aline style

>>719899123
>they went out of their way to make Maelle's ending look as bad one in terms of presentation.
You're entitled to your interpretation.

>>719899284
bait

>>719898707
the hinted line about verso and lune is in the credits song "Maelle" that playes after the "a life to paint" ending

>NOOOO YOU CANT TELL YOUR LOVED ONES TO STOP KILLING THEMSELVES SMOKING CRACK CANT YOU SEE IT MAKES THEM HAPPY
This is you retards

>>719898837
That does sound true. Looking for ways to lessen the moral dilemma does sound like something they'd do.

>>719899145
Best case scenario only Maelle dies. Worst case it ruins the family further and by extent painters lose and more people die. Real Verso's sacrifice goes completely in vain too. I don't understand anybody who says "why isn't he happy? He gets to play piano"

>>719899474
>"why isn't he happy? He gets to play piano"
Because endingniggers of both flavors do this >>719899403

>add an explicitly bad and negative ending to your game to show why the difficult but good ending is right
>people think it's 50/50
now THIS is media illiteracy

VERSOBROS I DON'T FEEL SO GOOD

>>719899284
To be fair whole Alicia/Maelle's ending is a mess as a whole, there is a good reason people somtimes jump to conclusion that everyine in whole scene is mind controlled or acts like an sims NPC, or call a final scene transition a literal screamer.
At this point it does not matter what authors intended to show if audience often misses the point that much.

I actually agree that based on story/raw data you can count both endings as good or bad, but holy shit whats with those endings. Good one isnt that great either. Usually if you want to show a reformed person past their addiction you, at the very least, actually show their new lifestyle so half of the thread wont have to jump to conclusion that Alicia will probably anhero herself after year of social struggles and chronic pain.

>>719899492
Anon I know that Verso is suffering in Maelle's ending. What I don't understand is where they got the notion that Maelle can mind control everybody.

>>719899747
>What I don't understand is where they got the notion that Maelle can mind control everybody
Because they're all paintings. Painters can erase or alter them at will. Same way she's forcing Verso to play the piano against his will, because she is a painter and he is not.

>>719899823
OK so why doesn't she make him happy? She's apparently capable of forcing Verso to play the piano.

>>719899669
>say you agree both endings can be counted as good or bad
>very next sentences refers to the "good one"
kek

>>719899884
because she's beginning to go insane from staying in the painting for too long

>>719899372
kek

the Verso ending is male coded
the Maelle ending is female coded

>>719899958
So despite being insane she somehow outskilled Clea in painting over her mother's creations?

>>719900101
which is not an insult by any means, men can have female coded alignments/takes on specific things and vice versa

>>719900225
>made painted clea into a perpetual nevron factory
>made simon into a axon slaying terror that could only be stopped by renoir
>uhh but alicia made some lumierens compliant, that's a much bigger feat