Thread 7708471

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread:>>7697043

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image is from Otoyomegatari Chapter 111.

>>7708471 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7708474
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7708476
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

About 19 pages storyboarded so far for chapter 5. Nice to finally have everyone together in civilian clothes.

Would you guys be annoyed if I posted daily study-copies of manga panels? If so I'll just do it in /asg/, my thought process is just that I think I would get better/more specialized advice here. Unless you guys frequent both.

>>7708511
I think it all hinges on what kind of advice you need.

>>7708548
If anything I'd like to do it to get my reps in. It's kinda hard to get myself motivated to draw. At least I'll have a clear goal.

>>7708511
just do it

>>7708570
As >>7708571 has said, just do it. But at some point you do need to start on your own comic. Don't just simply do the /mmg/ version of draw a box where all you do is grind endlessly without actually getting started on your own project.

Alright, not exactly a panel like I said but it is an artstyle I think is fun and expressive I'd like to replicate.
Self-critique wise I did not get it perfect, even after a few adjustments along the way. Some of his shapes were a little strange to wrap my head around but that exaggeration is what I like about his artstyle. The face and head are the least correct in my drawing, but to be honest his faces are not what I'm aspiring to.

the mangaka I look up to all had full lives to draw inspiration from.

>>7709051
Well then, you know what you have to do:
https://youtu.be/OHxyZaZlaOs?si=r8aZ8rKFbgDBQc2v

>>7709051
And you don't?

>>7709070
what fuck do you think?!?!?

>>7709072
Well, what's stopping you?

>>7709079
society

>>7709092
Make a manga about anon's war on society.

Unironically, starting out as a clone of a skilled yet not super hard to emulate artist is better than coming off with an original style right off the bat since you'll most likely develop and carry on the technical skill required to draw like the former when you'll actually evolve your art into something more recognisable and original.
Are you guys actually doing shitloads of master and fundamentals studies alongside developing your one shots? Do you have a clear look for how you want your comics to look like style-wise?

>>7709142
>when you'll actually evolve your art into something more recognisable and original.
Just so long as you do actually do this part. It's fine to start as a pale imitation of someone greater, it's not fine to stay that way forever.

>>7708494
looks really good. where can i read?

>>7709388
Ha, it looked worse prior, but thanks anon. Chapter 1 is a bit rough as I was just fucking around - two and all the other chapters onwards are more from what you'd expect from a comic.
https://globalcomix.com/c/aecast

I host my comic on Comicfury. Is it worth mirroring it on GlobalComix? Do a good amount of people read indie webcomics over there? How strict are their content guidelines?

>>7709497
I put my stuff on global comix a few weeks or so and I can say 90% of readers only read the first chapter if that. You can see exactly how many people read it and how many pages they read so it can be blackpilling, but you might as well post it everywhere.

>>7709497
There is never a reason to not host everywhere you can. That said, GC has been very good for me. So yes for two reasons IMHO.
>>7709502
>90% of readers only read the first chapter
There will always be a significant dropoff after the first iteration of something, and that is ok. You can see this in comic viewership stats, youtube series (i.e, Vid 1 of series, vid 2 of series and so on), etc.

is this too polemic for a comic cover?

Hi bros please be kind to me I'm really sensitive and this is a delicate time :bows:
Can anyone relate to this? I built a very strong habit of just doing all the work per page at once, i.e. I just think up the scenario, immediately pen it, no script, no storyboard, maybe an undersketch for a hard angle or pose. And I would never revise it. It forced a feeling of "instant finality" on me.
But now even though I have some time to do revisions for my upcoming idea, just getting myself to sit down and storyboard is really scary. I think the anxiety comes from that feeling or "I NEED TO GET SOMETHING GOOD AND FINAL, NOW!" does anyone feel this way? I wish I could be less sensitive and just Yamato damashii it out.

>>7709756
Are you strapped for time or something?
Had this habit before but I've since internalized that manga is a step-by-step process. I do the dopamine-chasing with lone illustrations/doodles

>>7709756
I need to see what your work looks like. I'm dying from curiosity.

>>7709776
Slightly strapped for time right now but usually it's just wanting to get things done quicker.
>I've since internalized that manga is a step-by-step process
Good stuff anon.
>>7709782
Sorry... I'm too scared of the kani. It's nothing that would match your curiosity level though.

>>7709785
>I'm too scared of the kani
wat

>>7708494
damn nice

>>7709808
Kani = crab (snib snib)

>>7709813
cute

Does anyone have some resources on texturing and hatching armor?

>>7709921
It's not a true resource per se, but I like looking at mangas like Berserk or Vagabond to see how they addressed doing armor of all kinds.

Is Kodansha House any good for submitting manga? I’d never heard about them until today.

>>7709921
Explain further anon, what kind of armor do you want to do

>>7709051
>mangaka
>lives

lol.

>>7710028
Can you give more details on what you want to submit? A fully drawn oneshot or a storyboard or? Will you translate it? (Easy with grok/chatgpt etc nowadays)

>>7709599
Perhaps, but I’d be more concerned about where to place the title.

>>7710201
they did, man. a lot of them went through post war society or something crazy like that. Meanwhile I'm here watching slop on my computer while my country is gonna collapse any year now.

>>7710374
I hope you stay safe during whatever chaos comes up anon.

>>7710374
Most authors lived normal boring lives just like you anon. You've experienced living in an interesting era too. The past couple of decades are completely unprecedented in human history.

Ok, I finally read your work anon:
>https://imgur.com/a/foGMvEy

Pro
-The dialogue reads very natural. It feels like real conversations
-You got memecoins
-A nigger got kicked in the nuts
-I only saw 1 spelling mistake (their, there)
-It reads like the 90s comics I used to read.

Cons
-It got boring. The food ordering scene went on for too long
-Your art

Keep going

>>7710421
did you just review your own comic?

>>7710430
I wish my comic had that going on.

It was posted a few threads ago, and I had it opened in a forgotten tab that I just saw, figured I'd read it

>>7709051
list the top 5 mangaka who had no life.
I need someone to look up to.
Other anons can also contribute

>>7710443
all of them. you clearly dont know much about jap society

>>7710448
yeah, I don't.

>>7710364
I will put it vertically

>>7710355
>grok/chatgpt
Is that even allowed?

>>7710547
For translation? Yeah everyone uses it

>>7710379
I was talking about the USA

Usually manga has japanese text. And also Japanese sound effects. Surprised you guys don't know this, but if you want to make authentic manga you should learn japanese.

>>7710603
And what if your goal is not to make an authentic manga?

>>7710606
What about it?

>>7710608
click it

>>7710608
I don't think /t/ is the right board for comics.

Done.

I guess the good part about sketching all pages is that you can start with whatever page you want and leave the boring pages for later

>>7710623
gj!

>>7710623
You got your blood spraypaint tool there, but I'm not feeling any damage to the hand at all. You need that flesh squeezing

What manga have good paneling and composition?
I want to study them.

>>7710421
thanks for the critiques, Im probably gonna post the first chapter in a bit as I've done another 20 pages since then, and then take a bit of a break to do some study and short stories, to work on my art and story telling more.

Looking back I might have taken too long to start up my story, but I wanted to set up these characters, before I collided them together at the pier from the start.

back with a couple more

I'm having a hard time when it comes to values. Where/when to use black, screentones etc. My pages often end up looking too gray or white. Is there any guide or rules to it?

>>7710814
Anons, when you are asking specific questions about your art, please post YOUR art so that anyone who might help you can see exactly what you're talking about.

If you're too embarrassed by your own art to post, then go back and work on fundamentals like Bridgman until you are comfortable with yourself.

>>7710823
It's a simple question.You don't need to look at my work. I'm asking for general advice, that doesn't apply only to my work, or only to a specific page or panel.

>>7710827
You have your answer. Go back to fundamentals, shading and screentones are beyond your level of concern at this point.

>>7710830
If you're not gonna help then stfu please?

>>7710832
You have to help us help you.

>>7710833
How hard it is to just say use blacks when X, use tones when Y?

>>7710835
Because it's obviously not that simple or easy, or else you would already know it.

Why are you so defensive? Just show your art so we know what you're working with and where you are at.

>>7710839
If I wanted to show my work I would have done it from the start.
>Because it's obviously not that simple or easy
It actually is if *you* truly understand it. I may not understand it myself, but I'm 100% sure it's the kind of thing that can be easily broken down into guidelines just like lineweight, paneling and etc. If you don't know how to do that, then you just suck at teaching. I should have asked ChatGPT from the start.

>>7710846
Go do that, then.

>>7710851
Just did. Cunt.

>>7710741
Anon, "wort" should be "worth."

>>7710966
nice

>>7710599
kek. My statement stands though.

>>7710686
Not what you just posted imo (zero offense meant just my take, it could be a shit take)
World trigger is worth studying in every aspect including storyboarding imo

>>7710823
Truth. Honestly, anons should be forced to post their work on every post.

>>7710966
Thank you.

>>7710997
>>7711089
It's from how to draw manga vol 13 tone techniques. Vol 30 also has good tone stuff, but I recommend the whole series for the most part

>>7710814
>>7710827
You think you're asking for general advice, but you're not. There is no guide or rules to it, it varies by intent and on a page-by-page basis. And we only have your opinion on your own work to go off of about it being "too gray or white". That might not even be true.
So anon's right. Questions like these are pointless without seeing the work, you're not going to get a helpful answer because there frankly isn't a helpful answer to give.

>>7710846
>It actually is if *you* truly understand it.
Lol what? It's not.
>but I'm 100% sure it's the kind of thing that can be easily broken down into guidelines just like lineweight, paneling and etc
It can't and neither can those things. Ever heard of the Dunning Kruger effect?

>>7711281
Come on guys (everyone in this discussion) let's be chill here the thread is comfy ⊂((・▽・))⊃

>>7711281
>There is no guide or rules to it
>It can't and neither can those things
There's literally hundreds of guides and videos on that subject out there. See >>7710966. Ask some random AI and even that will be able to give you a satisfying answer. Just admit you guys suck at passing on what you know about a subject.

>>7711316
You can still give more directed, specific advice if someone posts an example of what they're struggling with. There's general advice, and then there's specifically showing what someone may be doing wrong.

Besides, there are plenty of people who post here that, when given resources on how to do something, still seem unable to do it even when given guides.

>>7711322
I think people who have lack of sense of artistic agency here are just bound to struggle more. Every tool in the world can't help someone who has a hard time making their own decisions. I used to be part of a forum where a guy would make an upwards of 9 threads every single day asking questions about every little thing and being given help by poor idiots who didn't realize it was never enough.

There's a certain kind of person who wants facts and figures and numbers and rules to tell them what to do exactly each and every time, and it just doesn't work that way. I don't know how else to put it.

>>7711316
>There's literally hundreds of guides and videos on that subject out there
That tell you how one guy might do it, meanwhile the million other ways are not covered. What is "the right" combination mean in this context? Just one that will achieve a balance as depicted?
Maybe you need this pointed out: "balanced tones" is not the goal most of the time. The manga used as an example in that image is comprised mostly of imbalanced compositions, because a balanced composition is only one single tool among many in storytelling.
And even still, its definition of "balanced tones" is just explained as arranging the values for maximum contrast. It says so right there on the image. So how does that answer anon's question? "How do I make the contrast in my image better?" "Arrange the values to achieve maximum contrast." This is not helpful advice. This is just rephrasing the question as statement. It's not telling him anything he doesn't already know.

The truth is that if and how you add a greater range of values to your image to make it not too gray or white is part of your identity as an artist. It's a problem that everybody faces and the choices they make in their drawings to solve it or not are a part of what defines their art style. A guide or tutorial can only tell you how one or a few artists solves the problem. It can't tell you how YOU should solve the problem.

>>7711316
>There's literally hundreds of guides and videos on that subject out there.
Except they are merely guides, and not heavenly decrees. What might work generally might not work for whatever it is you are trying to do for your specific page or panel. I don't get where all these anons are coming from that are seemingly terrified of /mmg/. If anybody dogpiles here not only is it insanely rare compared to the rest of /ic/ but it's certainly not going to be any of the thread regulars. Some anons that post their comics here are potentially pre-/beg/ levels and they do not get excoriated to any real extent.

This took me 10 hours. You were all WRONG! Getting a tablet did not make me any faster. Like I already said a hundred times: The problem is not the tool, it's me.

>>7711407
that sounds pretty standard for being new to a tablet, and it looks great for what it is.

>>7711407
Your art literally looks better than it did before. It's not a complete change but I clearly see improvement here.

>>7711393
Yes. After looking into it, the impression I got is that it's certainly a matter of style and personal preference. So I'll just go with what feels right.

>>7711407
To preface, I'm not one of the anons who told you to get a tablet.
Getting a new tool and not instantly mastering it is normal. If you got the impression buying a tablet would result in instant improvement, you were misled.
However, drawing on a tablet allows for a much, much higher ceiling on your growth than with a mouse. There's only so fast you can draw with a mouse, while tablets are used to play games like Osu specifically because the ceiling on the speed of a tablet is exceptionally high. You will eventually get much faster with a tablet than you ever did with a mouse.
However, I can almost guarantee that you won't feel it. You'll get better at drawing, start adding more and more detail into the drawings and take more and more care in the line work. Even though you get better, you won't feel like you're getting any faster. But you are. I've drawn plenty of pages that took me 20+ hours. Those same pages would take me double or triple the time if I drew them with a mouse. Because I got much faster with a tablet than I ever could with a mouse.

Anyway, didn't you get that tablet weeks ago? If you've only drawn one page since then then you definitely won't see any noticeable improvement for a long, long time. Maybe even never if you continue at this pace. Improvement is measured of large volumes of work. Hundreds of pages.

>>7711428
I've drawn a lot of other stuff with it already. That page is just the latest thing I've done. I kinda new it wouldn't make much difference, but I needed a tablet anyways as my mouse couldn't take the beating.

>>7711407
I never said it would make your faster (but it will)
But you were trying to run with one leg. If you want to draw, you do it either trad or on a tablet.
NOT WITH A MOUSE

>>7711407
Too busy gooning to rei to draw quickly.

God. Finishing a page feels so good... I can finally sleep peacefully.

>>7711405
In a strange way, I think it's harder for people to dog on someone just as bad or worse than them, after all they're not so different. But with people who are perceived as being more accomplished they are more inclined to be ugly, it's easier for them to put on their overly judgemental consumer boots rather than speak simply artist to artist. The Have Nots tend to think of the Haves as creating everything through magic, as though there is no ongoing struggle, no battles or trouble. I still feel that way myself towards other people still! Maybe it's a spell that no one can ever truly break so long as there is someone else to envy. In either case, i'm saying all this because I guess I don't know what it is I tend to bring out people who will just hemm and haww and act passive aggressively about my work. It is actually disheartening that we could all be doing the same thing but then somehow I still feel like I have nothing in common with my own peers.

there obviously has to be rules on how to use toning, you can't just pick a random value, there are discreet choices you can make and professional manga will be consistent with these choices. And by rules I mean the bare minimum to do something good.

>>7711591
https://www.scribd.com/document/803209924/HDM-Vol-13-Super-Tone-Techniques

>>7711591
Tones are just values. That's it. If your values are good then so will your tones be.
But nobody was talking about tones specifically. Anon wanted to know how he can improve his values, and it's simply a silly question when we can't SEE his values.

>>7711407
nah man you should draw with charcoal on rice paper, way faster

>>7711407
I'd say just experiment with line weight and brushes and stuff more. Or whatever. I work trad, but I can imagine that switching from a clunky-ass mouse to a stylus should allow you more freedom with pressure, brushes, and shit.

>>7711599
nta but what irks me about a lot of these is how much I need to skip over, or just isn't applicable because i'm doing digital

>>7711609
>Anon wanted to know how he can improve his values
I specifically said I wanted GENERAL advice on my other posts.

>>7711665
go back to the fundies and do some studies.
this is just about the best general advice that can be given and it works

I can't think of a satisfying way to end the current fight scene. I feel like I've drawn and written myself into a corner.

>>7711956
Unironically read more fight mangas.

>>7711963
I mean I made the villain too competent. I just can't imagine any scenario where he loses. The hero escaping isn't an option either.

>>7711956
Do the classic "hero and villian so worn out they punch each other slowly. See Persona 5, death stranding, ff14, naruto for reference.

>>7711956
>>7712001
Are you asking for help or just venting? If it's the former, we're gonna need more details.

>>7712001
They kiss and make up. New ally acquired.

>>7711657
Something that weirds me out especially digitally is how layering identical tones does make a darker tone... they dots are occupying the same exact space, how is it making it appear darker instead of nothing happening?!

>>7712001
So the villain wins. Twist ending.

>>7711956
Just make the MC do a domain expansion that leads to a talk no jutsu and then the villain is cut in half offscreen

Forgot to add, and then ask a bonus the fans will start overanalyzing and filling in the gaps and saying you're a genius

>>7710814
it always bothered me how the ship asuka picks up just appears there, and there's no real explanation for why nerv would have a battleship parked underground

>>7712310
Wasn't this scene outside Nerv HQ?

>>7712310
>>7712310
>and there's no real explanation for why nerv would have a battleship parked underground
Eva has plenty of made up tech, its possible that maybe NERV was using the ship to test out technology or run relevant test, maybe its there because it represents something to the organization, maybe its been there a while and bureaucracy stopped it from anyone doing anything with it, maybe it serves as storage for something that is better kept inside a ship that on a land based structure

What brush should I use if I want something similar to Asanagi (victimgirls/fatalpulse)?

would you want your manga to be overrated and loved by normies that dont really get it, or stay small and niche but the fans have good taste?

>>7712387
Not a single soul will ever read my manga. Not a single soul...

>>7712387
The former if it means I get an anime adaptation. Otherwise the latter 100%.

>>7712391
Sick ass beard tho!

I might just be having a tough day so don't take me too seriously. It might just be me being weak to pressure (the pressure to run a marathon as opposed to a sprint: a few pages per day, continuously). But right now I feel like I've forgotten why I enjoyed making manga 5 years ago, and as a kid when I made nonstop Pokemon nuzlocke comics and didn't think about quality and writing techniques (it's not like I do nowadays nonstop, but more than I did as a kid at least). Maybe the only reason I'm doing manga rn is because I don't want to work a normal 9 to 5 job. But maybe in reality all I want to be is a reader and viewer and gamer, and not a writer and not an artist. The big thing is I feel like I have no story I desperately need to tell. And I don't have enough of an ego (I purposely sort of trained myself to tone down my narcissism) to want to bare myself to an audience like I've seen with some creators (not you guys) who just treat manga or other narrative or art forms as ME ME ME ME ME (more common in the west). I guess TLOU2 is an okayish example? "We don't use fun to describe games" etc. there's better examples though like this one Westerner made a shoujo manga which is legit just the MC being a fucking whiny schizo bitch who is super pretty and hates when the world doesn't bend over for her and dates hot guys and the writer acts the same way IRL.

This is apropos to nothing I just have nowhere to post this. I plan on continuing my habits but it's just a bit sobering to realize I currently, (won't speak for future me) don't have an innate story I have a burning desire to tell. I am kind of egotistical though, I think that's because I have a higher bar for what is meaningful than perhaps some others might, and I just can accept that I don't have a meaningful story currently.

>>7712527
Continued:
None of this is meant as an admonishment to others or to rain on anyone's parade. You guys are all awesome and I am rooting for you in what ways I can.

>"Bro shut the fuck up nobody asked for your long ass schizo wall of text"
Fair.

>>7712527
Also
>"You said you trained yourself to tone down your narcissism but your post is I I I I I ME I'M I I I I"
also fair

>>7712527
>But maybe in reality all I want to be is a reader and viewer and gamer, and not a writer and not an artist. The big thing is I feel like I have no story I desperately need to tell.
Then don't..... make a comic? Why go through all of this if there isn't anything yet you want to tell? Readers will know your soul isn't into it. Take a break, dude. Go exercise, hang out with family and friends you actually like to hang out with, read some books, etc.

>>7712387
The former because there will still be a % of fans who do get it, I'll just have more money.

>>7712542
Very reasonable response. Thanks anon.
My answer is sort of as I alluded to in my original post, if I'm working on manga I can justify deferring job searching/potentially not need to work a job I actively dislike in the future. That's the attempt at a rational response. But I guess I'm also just very stubborn and would like to continue trying.
>Readers will know your soul isn't into it
I guess yeah. But I think soulless me can still do some decent work.
>Take a break, dude. Go exercise, hang out with family and friends you actually like to hang out with, read some books, etc.
Thank you. I actually plan to do this after finishing my current thing in a month or two but it's this very period of time that will be a bit of a continuous test.

>>7712387
I would throw myself in a woodchipper feet first if my projects came even near as popular as that 3D fotm clown girl show or vivzie's trash

>>7712527
It truly is owari da

Would you guys restart a webcomic or give up on a project if the art in the first few chapters was bad? I’ve been getting better, and alot of my early art i feel might drive people away

>>7712653
How bad are we talking? Show me.

>>7712653
This question has been asked before and the general (emphasis on GENERAL) advice is no, don't bog yourself down with remakes of prior chapters. Either start something new after tying up your old work or soldier on. Otherwise you are constantly retreading the same ground and who's to say you aren't going to get better and look back and feel like you need to redraw everything again a second time? A third time? A fourth time?

Coming along good

>>7709756
The way I approach it is that I view the story boarding part of making manga as like 80% of the hard work. Shit like transferring it to pencil and final inks is all just rendering in my mind, but with storyboarding, even if it looks as shitty as something like pic related, all the heavy lifting and storytelling is right there. I get that little hint in my mind saying "Yeah this is gonna work" and just thumnbail for the next page and the next and so on, as if Im looking at what my real comic will look like, just in its primitive stages.
Id recommend trying to do more thumbnailing cause that is the thing thats gonna make you draw faster in the end. Having a solid idea to work from, even if it looks shitty at the moment, will make the drawing of the actual page faster. Plus the more you do thumbnails and getting the raw ideas down the more better your thumbnails will end up looking which will again make drawing the actual real pages faster. A stitch in time saves 9 as they say

>>7712527
As gay as it is to say out loud you really do need to be attached to a character to want to see their story through to the end.
Like theres these youtube fags called vlogbrothers, and one was an author while the other was a general nerd who did other shit. At some point though that nerdy guy who never wrote before made a video announcing he was gonna write a book, and while I never picked it up he plainly stated his motivation for writing it and what he said stuck with me, and while that fag may answer why he wrote this book now with some artsy fag reason like politics or the world we live in today being his motivation or some stupid shit like that, his REAL MOTIVATION was, and Im paraphrasing here "I cant stop thinking about this girl."
No matter how silly your premise is, the genre you write in, the medium, whatever, if its eating away at you then thats the motivation you need to make your story.
I try to make it not personal too, when Im making my story Im not thinking about me, Im thinking about my own "girl" and how people need to see this shit.
To use an actual comic example, the fag who made those dark as fuck Clarissa comics. She was literally just meant to be a one off punchline character for some fucked up joke. But then the author revisted this character again... and again...and again all the way up til now when he still is trying to finish this girls story, even though again she was just supposed to be a joke character without an end top her story. You must let your cringe consume you bro, you gotta be the biggest fan of your characters and want to see how their story ends too.

>>7712784
You need to chill out with those muscles, man. Bro looks like an Android.

>>7712784
his muscles lookin a little small and undefined. i would make them bigger and more grainy

>>7712819
I don't think the guy who made Clarissa deserves to be called a fag. It's actually really well written, handling heavy subject matter with such a delicate balance of dark comedy and sincere reverence. It's a genuinely compelling work of art. And I jacked off to it.

>>7712744
Agreed

>>7712387
I'm already the 2nd option. I feel like most people pass based on looks, which I don't blame them for. Especially considering how ugly the old art is. But the fans that stick around and comment or message me seem to really dig it, and are invested. I wonder if my story had human looking main characters and looked like it'd be action or romance, if it'd be more popular. I have thought about making a misleading cover in that way, but im too far into the project. Also, just finished chp 27

>>7712387
I already succeeded in making something everyone else but me loves (slice of life), but I just can't get attached to it the same way. I don't care about doing anything else but what i'm doing. I hardly care if other people don't care, it was never about them. The tragic thing is I know maybe all that fame and attention is right around the corner if I DID commit to my side project but I can't continue something I have hardly any heart in.

Weird thing to say but I love stories more than making comics, I just picked it because I can draw and it's more exciting than writing a book.

>>7713324
Fuck drawing. I just want to write and have someone else draw it

haven't posted in a hot minute cause mainly working on a dialogue sequence which is not very interesting visually
Also had to figure out some stuff in my life
>>7709599
it would catch my attention that's for sure
>>7713111
haven't read your stuff yet but visually I quite like the stuff you post

>>7713111
I've always liked your Oswald stuff. Something about your "teddy bears" (or overmen?) is super endearing to me.

In an artist/writer duo, is the artist the cuck? The writer spends a fraction of the time doing work. Gets to just watch shows/read comics "for inspiration", then just copies whatever they consume. Meanwhile the artist is drawing all day hunched over a desk getting arthritis. While the writer is watching netflix.

Then if the franchise gets big, the writer works on multiple projects, some even get tapped to write for tv shows or movies, while the artist's time is consumed with drawing other people's works.

>>7713531
>In an artist/writer duo, is the artist the cuck?
Depends on whether the writer or the artist is more famous, how many drawings are actually needed, how detailed the drawings are, and what the profit breakdown percentages are. But why does anybody have to be a cuck? They're just somebody hired, lol.

>>7712811
Thanks for the reply. I completely agree with everything you said. To be honest, I was already aware of that and I've already storyboardingmaxxed. In fact, my original post was done based on my emotional state as I was storyboarding. However, the marathon continues today as well and I feel better than yesterday. Thank you again for the post.
>>7712819
I completely agree with this as well, it just makes sense. In most cases you need to love the characters, because love leads to spending hours in your mind playing with them like action figures, or interacting with them as real humans, etc. one alternative to love is being an attention whore which is the Gege/fujimoto/dandadan type imo. There's also the "it's just a job, kill my soul" type like spy x family. Also the (at least partially) "treat it like a puzzle+TTRPG and solve it" type like togashi. My favorite is world trigger because all the characters and their world is so real. I'm fairly certain the writer has loved these characters for the entire run (15 years now)?
So yes I have been aware of your awesome point, and I've actually been consciously trying to find ways to love my characters, starting with making characters that appeal to me, making characters that are "literally me", taking traits from people I like IRL after analyzing why I like them, etc.

i hate my characters and my main motivation is to come up with creative ways for them to suffer

>>7713531
On average I would say so but it's harder to get into the Japanese market at least as a writer and also if you look at specialty manga like akanebanashi the writer is doing some pretty impressive stuff (the final results isn't mindblowing but the topic of the manga multiplied by the demographic of the magazine is a huge nerf). Also if the writer is doing the paneling too like riichiro inagaki (Dr stone eye shield 21) or the act age guy or the Madan no ichi gals, etc then I'd say it's pretty 50/50 if not more work on the writer's side (except for in akanebanashi where the artist draws literally everything with no assistants from what I can tell)

>>7713724
Gege.....

*Actually to edit my post >7713710
I haven't read much of dandadan so I'm not sure if the mangaka himself fits the attention whore archetype. My gut says he's more of a spy x family "trying to go for sales like a businessman" type.

>>7713710
>>7713739
Do yourself a favor and don't try to guess people's personalities based on their work. Especially if you're going to be a pointing out random authors minding their own business and calling them "attention whores". Why are they attention whores? Because their work is popular?

>>7713531
Do duos like that even exist in real life? Of all the manga duos I know of both members are artists unless the artist was hired to adapt a novel or something

>>7713869
It's very common in the western industry, but I'm sure a lot of manga is like that too.

>>7713952
I didn't know it was so common. Any examples of these writer/artist duos? Or are you referring to the capeshit system of having a penciler/inker/colorer/writerer? (<- not a ESL spelling mistake, it's a joke)

>>7713828
My bad, I didn't intend to upset anyone. I guess the answer to your question though is just my gut feeling based on reading their interviews, what other mangaka/editors said about them, their weekly/volume comments, hearing their voices in live events, and of course reading their works and seeing how they implement common things in different ways for example.
I'd say fujimoto and Gege use shock value so much because they like imagining the readers' reaction to that kind of thing, and the shallow nature of most of their works agrees with that. Also stuff like fujimoto really putting himself on the page (which is great ofc) shows that they want to bare themselves. Oh, shuzo oshimi is the best example of this attention whore type I'd say. Like, "look at me! This is me! Accept me/love me/see how fucked up I am/pity me" etc is the sort of goal I sense in their works. Oshimi is a genius ofc and I love a lot of his writing.
I'm answering this because you asked, but I'm totally happy to drop the subject and also admit I could be totally wrong or a schizo projecting onto literal strangers etc etc. I do strongly believe I'm right but at the end of the day this is just my feeling.

>>7713531
There's no duo that exists without the artist also doing their share of writing, because if they can't then you end up in situations where a writer with zero drawing experience makes demands the artist can't reasonably fulfill without turning the finished product into a mess. This sort of thing is a team effort.

>>7713988
The Boys & Invincible both had separate writers/artists.

>>7713990
NTA but its kinda odd you refer to those authors as attention whores
some creative people make work that is somewhat distant from themselves while others put a lot of their personality and draw from their own lives
its like calling the guy that wrote All Quiet on the Western Front an attention whore because his book draws a lot from what he experienced and felt during the war
I wouldn't even put Fujimoto and Oshimi in the same category as Gege. I don't know Gege in real life but when I read JJK I never thought
>Damn, I can really feel the author's personality and experiences seeping through
like I can when I read some of Fujimoto's and especially Oshimi's work
JJK feels much more removed from who Gege is as a person than Look Back or The Flowers of Evil that feel much more intimate

>>7713992
>the artist has to help with the writing too
That's even more cucked, does he get over 50% compensation? Or does the writer get all the credit for "his ideas"?

>>7713990
I definitely think you're projecting and I think it's a really bad idea to jump to conclusions about the personalities of people you've never met or spoken with or ever witnessed interacting with anybody.
Especially if you're going to go off things like volume comments (often tongue-in-cheek or lol random comments) and plot stuff in their actual work. These things are made for young teens to read. They're not some raw baring of the soul. The authors aren't exposing themselves to the world, they're just drawing cartoons to entertain 14 year olds. It's a just a bad idea to assume that what they publish is any indication of their personalities. This goes for any author. Not all writing is therapy.

>Enter on /mmg/
>150+ posts
>Wall of texts
>Barely any critique and lots of what ifs

>>7714041
all these howies will start soon and then there will be so many mangas here that we could make our own 4nen jump

>>7714019
I don't know how they work it out, I assume they make agreements first as a professional team when it comes to splitting compensation. If we're talking about publicity cred it always goes to the artist because that's just what people see first. I experience this working in a duo. Naturally as the artist I take credit for everything for better or worse and there's just no way to avoid that. I don't know this question of who's cucking who just seems silly to me, as it seems more like something of a cup half full half empty situation. Publicity might sound lovely to some, but I would be much happier if I didn't have to deal with anyone at all. I just want to draw in my dark corner and not be bothered.

>>7714041
School is in. Here's a cat.

>>7714046
Why is the cat so sad?

>>7712324
it's outside the hq but under the geofront, seele has to cut through the top of the dome to start their attack.
>>7712328
eh honestly I think it's just a continuity error from the film, and the scene looks cool so the author probably left it in. there's a couple panels on the pages prior that have clear shots of the water and there's no ship. it just appears there when unit 02 activates.

>>7714056
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>7714041
What if I made a manga?

>>7714081
make a manga of the thread, man.

>>7714046
There are 2 types of people in this world. Cucks and cuckers.

>>7714041
I want to critique people's work but the only people asking for critique refuse to post any. Seriously, look through the thread. Several different arguments/discussion arriving from anon asking something, being asked to show their work and refusing to.

>>7713992
>>7714019
Not really some writers storyboard the manga so they have art experience and also some artists just leave the story totally up to the writer

>>7714041

>enter on

>>7714016
I agree that JJK is in a different category, there the author just wants to make attention grabbing scenes, where's CSM and oshimi like you said are more similar and they put themselves on the page. I am not saying that drawing from your own experiences is attention whoring, it's more like what their fundamental motivation for writing is like for oshimi he drags out his whole mom fetish and then spends lots of chapters just drawing like, his own experience as an adult but it doesn't even help the story it's just him dramatic-tweeting in manga form. That's what I mean.

>>7714024
At any point in time the average person is only in IRL contact with quite a low number of people, in my case it's very very low. To make any judgments about the world and the people in it I HAVE to "jump to conclusions" based on the limited info available to me and I'm pretty sure I've gotten good at it.
>Especially if you're going to go off things like volume comments (often tongue-in-cheek or lol random comments)
I'm taking the tongue in cheek/etc into account when psychoanalyzing obviously. E.g. WHAT "lol random" comments they CHOOSE to make says a lot about them.
>and plot stuff in their actual work.
>These things are made for young teens to read. They're not some raw baring of the soul
I think you couldn't be more wrong.
Obviously as I have mentioned there are business mentality creators but when you have to spend so much of your time every single day every single week creating like it or not your real self gets shat all over the page. Especially when put under pressure in serializations. Even business minded people reveal their mentality when you see which decisions they think will lead to the most readership/fanfare/sales.
>they're just drawing cartoons to entertain 14 year olds.
First of all the average age of jump readers is around the young 20s now but regardless this is a very reductive mentality and I hope as you are in this thread you can grow up and grow out of it.
>Not all writing is therapy
A creative activity does not consciously need to be therapy to get some of the creator's essence out in the open.
From there, it is possible to rely on heuristic models to try to understand what kind of person they are.

>>7714135
>At any point in time the average person is only in IRL contact with quite a low number of people, in my case it's very very low. To make any judgments about the world and the people in it I HAVE to "jump to conclusions" based on the limited info available to me
No, you don't have to, lol. In what fucking way do you "have to" be a judgmental asshole to people you will never ever interact with?
>and I'm pretty sure I've gotten good at it.
But you'll never know because you're just making conjecture and then smugly thinking "yeah I'm so right". It's precisely because you won't ever find out if you're right that this shit is harmful. You're not only passing unfair judgment on others but then talking to others about these people as if your judgment is a fact. How would you like it if there were people out there who decided entirely on their own that you were something you absolutely aren't and started spreading that idea around to others? You're doing this people an injustice.

>first of all the average age of jump readers is around the young 20s now
Got a source for that? Or is guessing the average age of a publications readership also something you've convinced yourself you've "gotten good at"?
>but regardless this is a very reductive mentality and I hope as you are in this thread you can grow up and grow out of it.
It's a statement of fact. It's Weekly SHOUNEN Jump. It's in the fucking name. A shounen manga is called a shounen manga because the target audience ie. the people it's made for are shounen. As in 少年. As in older than 子供 but younger than 青年.
Yes, there are shounen manga authors who author put a lot of themselves on the page, but I would not describe an author like Gege or Fujimoto (barring maybe those 2 one-shots) or Tatsu that way at all. They're very much making comics to entertain 14 year olds first and foremost.
Oshimi I'll give you though. Still insane to describe it as "attention whoring" to use real life experience to write a story.

>>7714041
I've worked on my manga today, but I have nothing to present at the moment thats worth showcasing as it's all storyboarding of mundane scenes at the moment (i.e. background/setting panels). I am also generally quiet until there's something for me to share.

>>7714152
>In what fucking way do you "have to" be a judgmental asshole to people you will never ever interact with?
I didn't mean judgmental with a negative connotation. One example would be for elections since you're never going to meet the candidates IRL or see presentations of them that aren't very biased in either direction.
>But you'll never know because you're just making conjecture and then smugly thinking "yeah I'm so right".
That's just how the world works. I can't go back and ask Plato what he meant in his works. I have to make the judgment myself. This is a valuable skill and you denying it won't change that.
>How would you like it if there were people out there who decided entirely on their own that you were...
That is what happens when you make things for others to see. I would probably be annoyed if people got me wrong. It is what it is.
>Got a source for that? Or is guessing the average age of a publications readership also something you've convinced yourself you've "gotten good at"?
Literally wikipedia bro
"Weekly Shōnen Jump [...] in 2019 Shueisha revealed that its largest demographic of 27.4% was aged 25 or older."
I'll spoon-feed you this once but I think a calm third party would agree that I'm at least not totally wrong. Maybe you should try to think about what parts of my argument you could borrow to your benefit, because right now you seem to be focused on only blind denial.
>It's Weekly SHOUNEN Jump
That's not relevant, lots of seinen manga are way dumber and shallower and immature than shonen jump manga.
Also see above. Females have the most buying power, and we're getting more and more female pandering, but it's still called shonen. Not important.
>I would not describe an author like Gege or Fujimoto (barring maybe those 2 one-shots) or Tatsu
As I clarified above, yes only fujimoto of those 3 puts himself on the page but that doesn't preclude all three from being attention whores...

>>7714152
Continued.
A YouTuber fake crying has not put his real self on the screen but is still seeking attention. You don't need to put yourself on the page to be an attention whore.
>They're very much making comics to entertain 14 year olds first and foremost.
You're restating the same thing without making any point besides thinking that you're mature or above shonen manga somehow. Again I suggest you grow up and grow out of this "above it" phase, it's unbecoming. Especially as you're in this thread.
>Oshimi I'll give you though.
Thanks I'm glad you were able to try to see my side of things.
>Still insane to describe it as "attention whoring" to use real life experience to write a story.
I never said that. As I clarified in another post above using your life experiences is not attention whoring it's entirely about how you do it. I don't consider Bakuman's use of a mangaka's life experiences as attention whoring, it's just there to make a better manga and build the world and characters better. It does share some experiences the creators had but as a means to an end I would say, rather than just dropping it on the page to show oneself off.

I've been in 12 hours nonstop arguments on 4chan in previous years and only recently have I begun to see how fruitless they are because, as in this current case, at least speaking on the current you (I believe in your potential after all so I'll only speak of this present moment), you don't seem to have the willingness to try to understand what I'm saying and instead continue this dismissive tone towards both my ideas, and shonen manga, for example I had to correct you multiple times when you said I said things I didn't. So I will read your next reply of course but I think we've exhausted all the possible benefit this conversation could bear for both of us at this point. Have a good day.

ahem
anyone working on their manga itt?

>>7714179
Me.

>>7714179
Sumimasen for the wordspam
>>7714184
Based

>>7712387
the former because then I will get a million youtube essays about "why NOBODY gets the real meaning behind this manga" which means I get the normies AND the pretentious pricks

>>7708711

is that motherfucking ZUNTA

LOVE that nigga mayne

>>7714179
yes and I wish I wasn't

>>7714202
>the former because then I will get a million youtube essays about "why NOBODY gets the real meaning behind this manga"
here's your video essay bro

Do you like your characters more or your story?

>>7714489
Both duh. My characters are goated and my story is peak.

>>7713396
Thanks! The old art is actually really crude in comparison and I want to redraw it someday. Pic related. But it progressively gets better...

>>7713428
Thanks! I'm also not exactly sure what they are or what to call them. Stuffed animals? Plushie people? Amusingly before there was a comic, "oswald" was a subject in many paintings I made. But they were just called overman, and there were lots of them. I guess maybe Oswald is one of many overman (yellow with red spots). while the rest are one of many of their own respective species? (Underman, actionman, underman, etc...)

>>7708711
>>7714209

>>7714489
my characters don't deserve me as their god

>>7714593
hol up

>>7714489
I like both. If I only liked my characters but not the story then I would just do simple one-off pictures instead of a comic, kind of like how that Little Nuns artist does it.

>>7714593
>>7714634
Nailed it

>>7714634
Here I thought my girlfriend was all loyal and innocent. Now I'm finding her painted on the back of this guys jeep.

>>7714737
kekk

>>7714634
>tfw no The Thing gf
That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth.

>>7714593
ignore the crab ass faggots
pretty fuckin good eating

>>7714880
When changing camera angles like that, it helps readability to keep the character's orientation the same. In this case, he's pointing the gun down in the last panel, so he should be pointing it down in the previous one, to keep the two connected. Hope that makes sense. Also I just don't know what's supposed to be going on in the last panel.

>>7714899
You're right, that looks alot better. Thx anon :) The last panel is him shooting the arm he stuck in to detonate and blow it up. I'm going to colour these later.

>>7714869

thanks broski, it one of the first times of pencil shading

>>7714985
I am not one of the anons that gave your grief on your drawing, but I do think the torso is slightly (not grossly) long. I feel if you just lasso tool the torso to the legs and just move it slightly inwards towards the head (and then erase or layer mask the amount that becomes unneeded) it should all look good. Nice work regardless btw.

>>7714869
>ignore the crab ass faggots
Why do you want to sabotage this boy

>>7715010
yeah, i do think so too. This was one was a copy from the manga the other poster was talking about. I did this one back in feb. back then i still had problems using construction lol

All my web comics are dead. Damn I'm dogshit. Manga is just too hard

>>7714880
this would look a lot better with some blacks, like coloring some things in black. Unless you plan on doing that later.

Ummm..?
Why aren’t you lot drawing manga?!?
Don’t you realize time isn’t going to wait for you!?
Get your pen and paper out!!!
Pull your tablet out!!
It’s is time to… draw..!

>>7715131
I just finished my book so I'm going to savor my break thank you very much.

>>7715131
I'm drawing right now and already was drawing earlier today. Was just relaxing with some vidya.

>>7715131
I dont have the motivation, I just sleep all day now.

>>7715200
Good night, sleep tight.

>>7715015
don't take it so personally. Sometimes things are just funny no hate

Why did you write your story, anon? Why THIS specific story, in this specific manner?

>>7715200
Same. Fuck this gay earth

>>7715268
BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT

>>7715131
i just come here to post my manga.

>>7715358
Chapter 1.1 Incomplete!

>>7715377
and done for now, thanks for reading!

>>7715379
I'm you from the future. Here's a future panel from our manga

>>7715131
i always thought a (web)comic works better as a companion piece to an animation

>>7715390
i don't know why there's that one shizo that post nonsense whenever i post or does it happen to everyone ?

>>7715129
Yeah I plan to colour it

Very interesting but I think the chain of events here
>>7715377
>>7715379
Was too abrupt.

>>7715421
Thanks! I think i do have problem with pacing since I want it faster (don't want to draw more) or should've just separated on another page.
Or I should've added more text.

>>7715379
im confused
is andrea to die from the fall?

>>7715487
yes

>>7715367
I think you did a pretty good job setting the mood here, but you need to make sure not to do things which distract from it. As a first page it is thick with dialogue especially the bottom right portion. You don't need it since the cell phone is already giving us a peek into what other people think. Focus on intrigue. If you ended it at "on the same day every two years a former classmate gets killed" it would serve it much better. For suspense less is more, and intrigue means focusing on making someone ask what will happen next.

>>7715530
i think a more dramatic throw would make it easier to understand that shes going to die. i get the feeling most people wont process it as a killing blow

>>7708471 (OP)
>Otoyomegatari
I'm obsessed with Islamic mysticism (especially when it comes to romance) and /ss/ is this series good?

Some stuff I working on

>>7712387
I'm working on trying to be the former but currently the latter which doesn't really make this financially feasible.

>>7716102

This was a comic for a worry eater toy someone made

>>7716102
i like the watercolor artstyle, nice

>>7716102
Artistically stylish and I love watercolor. Unfortunately I can't tell what is going on.

>>7716104
>Islamic mysticism
Nothing like that if you want mysticism, sufism, fantastic arabia, or otherwise. Its a slice of life manga that is generally down to earth. I cannot emphasize enough how slice of life it is.
>/ss/
They are married but nothing like that is depicted. It is indirectly suggested at for plot purposes but otherwise it doesn't exist at all in the way you think it does. It deals more with the day to day work of living in the village and there are entire swaths of chapters in which the main couple are not mentioned or shown at all.
>is this series good
Yes, very.

>>7716150
>I cannot emphasize enough how slice of life it is.
Damn it.
>They are married but nothing like that is depicted.
Damn it.
>Yes, very.
Well I still like Central Asian culture and Persianite in particular is extremely fascinating. I'm scared of anything written by a woman outside of like FMA since they always end up randomly turning into yuri or yaoi.

>>7716157
>randomly turning into yuri or yaoi.
that's based tho

>>7716157
>I'm scared of anything written by a woman outside of like FMA since they always end up randomly turning into yuri or yaoi.
There is a sister-wife couple in the manga that has extremely vague hints that perhaps they also might be into each other in addition to their husband, but otherwise the manga is played extremely straight (heh) with all the other couples.

>>7716169
It's chaotic and unpredictable which is not something I appreciate especially in slice of life.
>but yuri is hot
Neither maternal love nor a merging of two souls can happen. If you can't get either of those two from a woman it isn't love.

>>7716174
Alright that's good. First search for this manga was an article about how there's a lesbian couple but it was written by a feminist so maybe it's just them coping. Harems and young relationships exist and still exist in Central Asia. Maybe this series is good historical autism which wasn't what I was looking for (I need female love to help push me out of my fears) but it is quite interesting.

>>7715792
Got it thanks
>>7715379
this is way too cheap for a next page, any tips ?

>>7716103
>>7716106
>>7716108
like the style very free, very loose with a ton of energy

>want to make a "serious" graphic novel
>can only draw anime faces anything else looks plain
bros...ist over?

>>7716331
Struggling with something similar. Got to practice a good in-between. Also all you really need to do is make the rest of the body be fairly detailed and you won't need to tweak the face too much.

>>7716334
I worry that if I do that, I will want to kms later because you don't want complex details in your character art because it will slow you the fuck down later in the drawing process

>>7716338
Not necessary. A lot of cross-hatching and just varied colors on the clothing should do. That's what Vinland Saga did.

>>7716338
Plan it out. If a character is appearing every chapter. Give them a simple outfit or a something they can cover up with like a cloak. Save the complex designs for characters that die or show up sporadically.

>>7708471 (OP)
I fucking love this manga, it's my #1 favorite, I wish I was gifted enough to write and draw something this beautiful
>>7716157
Lol about 8 volumes in there's a random Yuri arc when they get to Tehran and there's endless sister wives in a bathhouse. Also there is not much Islamic mysticism, most of the characters are Muslim but the story generally does not address religion. If you like steppes waifus on the silk road this is the manga for you.

>>7716478
>endless sister wives
Meant to say there's endless scenes of naked sister wives at the bathhouse

where did everyone go?

>>7717429
I was banned again. Im back

>>7708471 (OP)

join discord.gg/R3NtN4Sbch

>>7717431
lol

>>7717429
Working on our manga, obviously.

>>7717429
I can't think of a story

>>7717429
Drawing filler strips.

>>7717617
Why is he here? He isn't part of /mmg/ lore

>>7717644
yes he is

>>7717644
Idk what you're talking about, that's my original fat fucking character. Speaking of, why doesn't mmg have a sweet mascot?

>>7717617
>>7717710
kek very cute

>>7716478
I should probably read it but as much as I'm into historical autism I find it pretty dry and boring if that's all the story is on. Hearing that the woman is more interested in other women than the man also makes it sound even more unfulfilling but forming massive harems for political reasons and them getting along isn't farfetched as the leader would group them up and often educate them.

>>7717710
>why doesn't mmg have a sweet mascot?
This is a good question.
It will be addressed soon

my drawing glove is getting crusty but I can't clean it because then I wouldn't be able to draw until its clean and dry, so that's a whole day locked (I wasn't going to draw anyways)

>>7717429
I'm drawing a bunch of regular dialogue panels. Nothing super worth sharing at the moment. I only choose nice panels to share with anons. :)

>>7717644
>/mmg/ lore
Lmao, what?