How do you react without sounding mad?

>>715325868 (OP)
https://lakendacoda.itch.io/underwheels

>>715325868 (OP)
"Mom please. you're making my friend and me uncomfortable."
"Could you keep it down? I've had a pretty hard day, and it's hard to sleep with all the noise."
"Sans, can you at least use a condom? a half skeleton half goat monster sounds terrifying"

Undertale/deltarune fans are all worthless and mentally ill people. Why are they up in arms about this? Irl they all come from broken families, shouldn't they be happy their dream game actually reflects some aspects of their lives?

fuck you sans

>>715325868 (OP)
I'm honestly kind of confused by the reaction I've seen to this scene, it felt like everyone loved the idea of Sans hooking up with Toriel until it actually happened.

>>715326002
absolute fucking perfection

>>715325868 (OP)
I don't, since my choices don't matter...

>>715326279
>>715326159
The problem is that while Toriel is normally overprotective parent , this time she got drunk and had fun while her kid was god knows where in the night.

>>715326068
>a half skeleton half goat monster sounds terrifying"
Isn't that what the gaster blaster skull looks like?

>>715325868 (OP)
>Toriel: Do you know how to beat box?
>Sans: Been doing it this whole time ;)
get it?
I've been beating up your mom's box
now go ket my ketchup out of the fridge, you little brat

>>715326402
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>715326159
>understanding and emotionally connecting with a scene = being angry it happened
fucking retard

>>715326159
>>715326279
Ask me how I know you people were born with silver spoons in your mouth and never had endure shitty human behavior in person. Also, I'm glad people like you won't have kids, the last thing we need are more shitty parents.

>>715325868 (OP)
As an OG Toriel hater, I'd never felt more vindicated

>>715325868 (OP)

>>715326159
Just in case you don't know the context, Kris and Susie just went through a deeply harrowing adventure to save Toriel.
Susie finds out something that visibly shakes her, even through the tough facade she puts on.
The two of them slowly go back through town while a very melancholy song plays.
Then once you get back home, you see Sans and Toriel dancing like that.
Toriel is clearly very drunk, and didn't really care about where her son was the whole day. (For all she knows, It's dangerous. Her tires were just slashed, and the chief of police went missing last night)
Susie and Kris look very uncomfortable at this, and Susie decides to not stay the night like she originally planned.
Toriel says that if you're hungry, there's leftover pancakes in the fridge, but if you go to check, it's just a bottle of ketchup.
Kris ends up not being able to sleep because of their incessant dancing and laughing.

I think the issues people have is that Toriel didn't even take a half second break to notice that these kids were out late, and worried about her. They're very clearly shaken up about something. There was no talking to them, or paying the two of them any mind other than trying to introduce them to Sans.
Toriel even falls over, and would have landed on Kris if he didn't move out the way.
I didn't feel this way at first, but now playing through it again, it really seems like we're supposed to be disturbed by this behavior, and think less of Toriel because of it.

>>715325868 (OP)
The eggs

>Tendies watch their mother have enjoyment for once
>This causes them to sperg out in uncontrollable rage
I don't get it

>played 20 minutes of this game a few years go
>didn't give a shit
>seen this screenshot a few times now
Somehow I'm glad weird mom lady has a friend in the sequel that I'll never play and don't care about.

>>715326603
Nah, I had an alcoholic mom. I know how bad it is to need to pick your own parent off the floor. Or have someone else who hates you take over the mind and body of someone you love every night.
I know what it's like to force yourself to stay silent because you don't want to be the target.

>>715326279
>Just the previous night, Toriel had to call the police and have everyone sleep in the living room because her tires were slashed
>This incident was never resolved
>She gets wasted wine-drunk the next day and has no idea where her child is - doesn't care
>her kid comes home with a friend to find her embarassingly drunk and falling over, dancing with the jackass from the grocery store that she literally met yesterday
>she embarasses you in front of your friend and doesn't even notice because she's so wasted
>there's nothing to eat in the house except Sans' ketchup bottle in the fridge, mocking you
>Kris tossing and turning in bed trying desperately to cover his ears and drown out the sound of Toriel and Sans' speech blips becoming faster and faster until they literally climax
yeah I can't imagine how this scene came across as a bad thing to anybody
She's just having fun with her new pal!

>>715326868
>She's a woman, Chuds, she can do no wrong.

I had friends over when my parents were screaming at each other and I had to take them outside and you could still hear them in the yard
it was really awkward and I cried a lot after they left

>>715326937
Look on the bright side, when the time comes you can save big on a cheap nursing home

>>715326937
Then why are you defending her behavior and mocking the people that weren't into it?

>>715326770
>Susie decides to not stay the night like she originally planned.
she also very blatantly did not want to spend the night at her home.

>>715326770
Very seriousTM Splunkus McChungus adventure you got there, sport.

>>715326950
You're missing the most important bit. The whole reason Chapter 4 even began was because Kris went back to the Dark World to look for Toriel. He basically put himself and his friends at risk for a mother who was just getting wasted and pounded the whole time.

>Desstroons whenever someones posts compelling eveidence on why a character other than Dess could be the Knight

>Yeah Toby went out of his way to leave "Lost Girl" untranslated in the Japanese version, implying there's a double meaning in "Lost" that can't be replicated with Japanese words, but Dess is totally just missing bro. Just missing and that's all there is to her situation.

why is kris the only one who is able to wear the princess ribbon gloves?
i can only presume kris has dainty girl hands with this information
which makes sense since kris is a boy (female)

>>715326002
This is genuinely art.

>>715325868 (OP)
>Sans, I remember you're ONE HP

>>715325868 (OP)
If not being mad was an option, i'd make Kris fuck off and crash in Berdly's house for the night.

>>715327104
Compelling evidence like:
>DUDE MUH KATANA
>DUDE MUH STAND
>DUDE MUH PAPYRUS

>>715326002
>playing this
>remember Napstablook can't be killed
>that's in this game too
awesome.

>>715326952
Between this, Asgore, and Suselle, I'm starting to think either Toby's lost his touch on writing likable romance, or he's gearing up for an amazing conclusion where these plot threads have satisfying and unexpected conclusions.
Asgore ends up being a hero who saves the town, and proves that he didn't do whatever Toriel divorced him over.
Susie and Noelle agree to just stay friends because her sister can't just be replaced by any random mean girl.
Toriel realizes just how much her own actions cause Kris to shut down and remain as anti-social as he is. And she grows as a person in the process.
All in time for Asriel to come home to the happy ending.

>>715326603
...even though it's usually people who get super self-conscious over their bad childhood and never learned how to set boundaries and interact with authority that perpetuate domestic abuse ^_^

I want to take a moment to mention I hate undertale and deltarune, I lost my best friend to it.

My best friend was a normal guy until he played undertale, then he became literally gay, literally. Everything changed when his personality became undertale this undertale that, sans this, sans that.

This game and its conseuences on the zoomer generation are inmense, fucking inmense, the game has turned normal people into complete lgbt retards.

>>715326937
Are you sure you're not partially responsible? I'm sure at least some of your behaviour not all of it drove her to drink, maybe you were a bad kid or your cried a lot as a baby and you broke her with the lack of sleep, or maybe she could tell she was raising a future incel. I'm sure you're at least partially to blame

>>715327259
>^_^
Domestic abuse victim right here

Reminder that "the scratching noise could be the known cat-related entity that laughs exactly like the Knight" is a huge logical leap, but "dude Dess got shattered across time and space like Wing Gaster because uhhhhhh she just did" isn't.

>>715325868 (OP)
Disappointed you couldn't dance with them

>>715326068
>a half skeleton half goat monster sounds terrifying"
What if its a girl though?

>>715327083
That's true, and when you try to go home earlier the door is just locked
So Toriel basically peaced out and didn't tell Kris where she was gonna be, locked him out of the house, and then got wasted and fucked the grocery skeleton

A day after (as far as she knows) some prowler was lurking around her house and slashed her tires

Toriel mom of the year

>>715327268
thank you for this powerful message mr reddit spacer

>>715327104
I mean who else could it be?
Rudyknight theory falls flat the second you account the ''scripted loss'' fight can be won Kris betrays you anyways and i doubt Rudy's that tanky to take on Ralsei alone
PapyrusKnight would 1000% be played on for comedy only for the real knight to render Papyrus into spaghetti (he tanks that somehow)
Asrielknight makes zero sense, why would his ass be the villain and want to kidnap Toriel?
CarolKnight makes a LOT of sense but there are some caveats (and also how the FUCK would that hag be able to manhandle Undyne)

I know it is probably not true but imagine how mad Toby is because he wanted to do a plotline of "Asgore (accidentally) killed Dess" and now he can't because we memed it in oblivion before ch 5 even came out.

>>715327410
Even worse.
Ever tried being scared with a boner? You go from Fight/Flight to Fight/Flight/Fuck.
It's confusing.

>Dess is supposed to be lost in deepest dark
>Somehow she's the Knight, who's not lost in deepest dark, and can move in the Lightworld just fine

>>715326002
utterly based

>>715327528
She WAS lost in deepest dark.
Until FRIEND found her.

>>715327104
>compelling eveidence
Bro it could be anybody with antlers and a baseball bat who was waiting under a Christmas tree behind the 1225 door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WD93lz5GU

>>715326002
kino

>>715327083
(he already knew his mom wasn't in the dark world)
(he had a key the whole time)

>>715325868 (OP)
I haven't played Chapters 3 and 4 yet but it seems like it's trying too hard to appease the fanbase with dumb fanservice moments like this

>>715327259
>^_^

You being condescending doesn't hide your projection.

>>715327560
dude it's obviously Papyrus he just shifted a bone into a bat because the annoying dog told him it'd be really funny and throw the player off his trail

Infinitized Noelle vs the Knight
Who wins?

>>715327528
'lost' can also mean consumed by
she could be consumed by the deepest darkness, which is why she's the knight

>>715327610
>fanservice
go play the game before talking about it you retard

>>715327467
You say that but the mantle game having a toggle named TORIEL which changes the cloak sprite into a black deer has some ominous potential that the Dreemurs had something to do with Dess going MIA. Toriel being a kidnapping target is a looming threat too.

>>715326998
>Asriel being home from college a week early would not cause The Roaring.
If that's what you're talking about then I don't see why that couldn't simply be the case. It's pretty irrelevant whether Asriel stayed in Hometown or came back in secret a week ago. And there are a litany of reasons he might want to keep it a secret, for the sake of his family and to avoid exposing himself to the Player and the rest of the Fun Gang.
>there's no sign of Dess in his room, in contrast to Dess's room still having Asriel's things.
If you seriously believe this shows he moved on then you do not understand Asriel's character whatsoever. In what world is Dess being completely scrubbed from Asriel's life a sign of Asriel having moved on? That's the exact opposite of what you would expect, that's someone repressing their feelings or, more likely, trying to hide something.
>Fortunately Toby Fox is a better writer than you
This is true but he is also a better writer than you. I warned you to be civil, this is strike one.

>>715327228
I doubt it's that deep.

>>715327310
>dude Dess got shattered across time and space
Uhh no, Dess isn't Gaster or a goner or anything like that, it's a pretty important point that a lot of people still remember her

>>715327104
Like what? We literally see that the Knight is capable of briefly overpowering Undine and carry her to the shelter while being faster than Kris and Susie and then hiding there. Can't be Carol or Rudy. The only answer is Dess (using some darkener power up shit).

>>715327660
Yep, see >>715327127
If "lost" really meant she was just unable to be physically found, he would've translated the song name to Japanese. I don't speak it but I'm sure there's a word for that.

>>715327061
why are people on 4chan obsessed with chungus when that fell out of favor with normalfags many years ago, is it a swarthoid thing?

>>715327665
Toriel had a fight with Asgore and he left the house on his truck, running over Dess.

>>715327465
I think Rudy theory is predicated on the fact that he's much stronger in the dark world.

Let's just go over the criteria.
We need someone who's strong enough to carry a still conscious and struggling Undyne fast enough to the bunker.
And someone who knows the code to said bunker

I'm not entirely convinced, but I think Asgore is a good candidate.
He's got a Shadow Crystal, meaning he at least knows about the Dark World. (plus, the disappearance of Dess is implied to have some involvement with him and dark worlds)
He's working closely with Carol, who we know is directing Kris.
After the church scene, he's seen coming from the trees to the south east. And the only thing in that direction is the bunker.
Susie even says that they're looking for someone who goes to church, and has a connection to the police, and the mayor.
Kris knows Asgore fits those requirements, but said nothing.

>>715327665
>>715327758

>>715327528
You think it might have something to do with her being a 9 foot tall shadow monster covered in evil black glass now?

>heres an entire paragraph of stupid shit about me nobody asked to know plz dont make fun of me

>>715327660
>consumed by the deepest darkness
Tobert I need the other chapters NOW

>>715327801
what if dess was just naturally tall af, like hyperdeath asriel tall
the jacket in her closet looks pretty big

>>715327695
I know, but "Dess got shattered like gaster" was something I saw someone unironically try to claim was a more reasonable assumption in another thread.

>>715327795
alright, I'm in. The only question is what the Asgore "thing" that Toriel doesnt like in ch4.

>>715327801
that pic’s got me in a horror mood, I need to find some media where a corpse monster in the main threat - not a typical zombie, but something like a revival gone completey butchered if that makes sense

>>715327665
The variable named "toriel" changes the sprite from a black deer to a black generic "monster," which happens to resemble Toriel (or Asgore or another goat)
That's the significance

>>715327801
Monsters don't give a shit about stuff like this, and the Knight obviously reserved higher mental faculties. If was just her body changing she would have come home after being transformed and then moved on with her life.

lost girl? Dess
Kris and Noelle trauma? Dess
the promise? Dess
the Knight? Dess
the shelter? Dess
Susie moving to town? dunno but Dess
Ralsei light form? Dess
Gaster? Dess
Dess game, DESSRUNE

>>715327489
You say that like its a bad thing.

>>715327952
Pet Sematary?

>>715327683
>I warned you to be civil, this is strike one.
>>>/r/eddit

>>715327467
I can't really imagine why Toriel is ten times more pissed at him than Carol or Rudy, if that was the case.
>Hire the man who's neglect killed your daughter to clean your house
>Come home
>He's sitting on the couch stuffing his face with food you've set out for guests
>He seems to be ignoring that a delinquent girl rummaged through your dead daughter's room and is now messing with her guitar for laughs
>Only thing you say is asking him to eat the food outside so he doesn't get crumbs all over the house he's supposed to be cleaning

>>715327640
holy kino, source? or is this oc?
also noelle has a point, technically she isnt eligible if the kills werent senseless

>>715327828
>that chest cavity
Prunsel Knight

>>715327628
See that's the thing I was talking about. You're just never satisfied and you'll never be able to stop yourself from piling your trauma on a child. When I confronted you first I was a hecking aristocrat with a silver spoon in my mouth now that I'm a victim of a victim of domestic abuse I'm projecting by...experiencing a bad childhood. Infinite expectations for others and no self-reflection for yourself.

>>715327528
We don't know if she can move just fine. Most likely she can only move short periods of time and only at night.

>>715327973
>Susie moving to town? dunno but Dess
Noelle projects Dess on Susie, that's the reason for her insane crush. Susie Tea gives her 400 HP, the only object with the same value is Asriel's old chocolate for Kris.
>Ralsei light form? Dess
We've already determined that Dess created Ralsei, see picrelated.

>>715328073
big if true

>>715327783
>Susie even says that they're looking for someone who goes to church, and has a connection to the police,
Why do people take this as fact when discussing the Knight's identity again?
Susie only thinks the knight has to go to church because the bunker door has a Delta Rune on it, and that symbol appears literally everywhere, especially in dark worlds.

>>715328034
I hate this Little My haircut.

>>715327841
really makes you think

>>715327971
Are you sure that Carol Holiday, the woman who had some paper snowflakes her daughter made for her encased in bronze so that they would never get damaged or change, would be totally cool with her daughter turning into some shadowy abomination

>>715328029
It's because Carol, Asgore, and Kris are the only ones who know what really happened to Dess, and are working together behind the scenes to get her back.

>>715327783
Asgore is too fat. The knight is practically a skeleton.

>>715328185
>it's for someone... taller.
noelle is like the second tallest person in the group but everyone else can equip it just fine, wtf did she mean by this?

>>715327841
Asriel and Dess arent tall, they're grown ups.

>>715326279
It's all about context.
In Undertale, Toriel was all alone and Sans was her only friend. The bond they shared and the promise he made is the only reason the player character is even able to exit the ruins. In addition, Sans was much more likable than Deltarune. He came across like an uncle, someone who would joke around with you but always had your best interests at heart.

In DR Toriel gets drunk and screws a dude she met two days ago while her son is missing. Plus Sans has been a total asshole to you and Susie up to this point for seemingly no reason. There's also evidence that the divorce in this universe was over a misunderstanding, where as in UT Toriel had a much more justified reason to hate Asgore.

When you put everything in context it makes more sense, the versions of these characters in this game are a lot less likeable than Undertale.

>>715328185
Yes, because Carol Holiday is a woman who pays for her children's arts and crafts to be bronzed so she can hang them up in her house forever. If you think Carol doesn't love her children you should study Queen, who is chiefly a parallel to her.

>>715328249
She's probably alluding to Dess in some way, I'm not sure she's totally ignorant of the Dark World and its rules given that she consciously chooses to try and block your access to the Snowgrave spell by raising its TP requirement beyond the max possible; she knows what it is.

Would you a Gaster?

>>715328178
>Susie only thinks the knight has to go to church because the bunker door has a Delta Rune on it, and that symbol appears literally everywhere, especially in dark worlds
It's because the Knight knows the code to the bunker. It's a lead, not a certainty.
It also doesn't matter that it appears in the Dark Worlds. As far as her and Kris are concerned, they and the Knight are the only ones who know about the Dark Worlds. And they both already know that Darkners can't come to the light world to use the code, so any association that symbol has to Dark Worlds is merely religious mythology to anyone except the Knight. Hence why you're looking for someone who goes to the church.
The only way we'd even know that Asgore goes to church, and was a policeman is through easily missable interact dialogue. That's the most compelling evidence to that, I think. The fact that it's so easy to miss the clues.

>>715328196
>and are working together behind the scenes to get her back.
And kidnapping toriel helps here because...?

>>715328324
Is that her doing that, or does the spell just cost that much? I thought it was the latter

>>715328324
>she knows what it is.
Yeah because she played Dragon Blazers's evil route, the game we know contains IceShock

>>715327783
>We need someone who's strong enough to carry a still conscious and struggling Undyne fast enough to the bunker.
Based on the (inaccessible) Shadow Crystal text for Chapter 3 it seems likely that The Knight incapacitated Undyne before taking her back to the Light World
>* You held the crystal up to your eye.
>* For some strange reason, for just a brief moment...
>* You thought you saw Undyne frozen in ice.
More evidence that The Knight is a Holiday by the way

>>715328370
That's her doing that, other characters trying to keep you from giving them certain commands will do the same thing in raising their TP req above a possible amount.

I hope we never see what Dess looks like

>We need someone who's strong enough to carry a still conscious and struggling Undyne fast enough to the bunker.
I don't understand this retarded argument that you fags use
Undyne lifts literal cars
There is no one in this story besides probably Asgore that's holding her down.
So the only logical conclusion is that the Knight maintained its form long enough to reach the Bunker, or the Knight is just a different type of being altogether

>>715327841
We need Dess x Asriel art with the height difference tag

>>715328370
Susie's heal TP goes above 100% when she consciously stops wanting to use it, so TP cost is likely influenced by how willing the monster is to cast the spell.

>>715326159
I go to games to explore a fantasy world. Why would I want to play a game just as gay and retarded as my real life?

>>715328404
>other characters
has anyone besides susie and noelle done this?

>>715328360
Because Asgore got very pent up, and needs some release. Undyne will do in a pinch though.

really, I don't know, and no one else knows exactly what the Knight and crew are planning. For all we know, the Roaring could just be a misinterpretation of the prophecy, and they're trying to achieve a radical new good.

>Sans gets kickslammed to the Undertale world
>Toriel IMMEDIATELY loses interest in the bony bastard

>>715328404
when does that ever happen again
with Susie, the to requirement goes down because she's mastering the spell

>>715328282
Reminder that Toriel hated Asgore in Undertale because he didnt cross the barrier after he killed the first child and didnt ho on a human killing spree to free monsters.

>>715325868 (OP)
>He thinks Toby will ever write Toriel on the wrong side of history and Asgore will ever be nothing but a running cuck joke

>>715328484
asriel should've done that

>>715328415
The Knight very probably retains its form even in the light world, the Black Shard you get (Kris' weapon) keeps its properties in the light world.

>>715326002
FIRST TRY BABY

>>715328508
shut up chara

>>715328406
Too late.

>>715325868 (OP)
I wonder how hard this scene hits for people with divorced parents.

Everybody in Hometown is fucked up. They will all pay, soon.

>>715328415
>the Knight maintained its form
I don't know why people struggle to comprehend this when the Black Shard LITERALLY STAYS THE SAME IN THE LIGHT WORLD. It shouldn't be too hard to believe the Knight looks the same too.
But then again this is the same fandom who thinks Asgore was talking about a shadow crystal when they aren't even black...

>>715328484
No, she hated Asgore because he wanted to wage war on humans in the 1st place. After dozens of years, what you said was just another reason to dislike him because of how he was prioritizing his own guilt over his people

>>715326952
you joke, but thats basically the only defense they have left

>>715325868 (OP)
Fuck his brother and make him bounce in my dick and moan like a girl and send him the video

>>715328484
IIRC wasn't she mad at him for murdering kids in the first place?

>>715328415
>There is no one in this story besides probably Asgore that's holding her down.
hmmm. you may be on to something.
What do you mean by "maintained it's form"?
As if dark world objects somehow have a dispersal period before they go back to their actual form?
Kris stops being blue before exiting the closet, not a moment after.

>>715328309
>If you think Carol doesn't love her children
I didn't say that, I said I don't think the woman who's been trying to freeze her life since her daughter disappeared would want her daughter to be turned into some nightmarish shadow creature and would seek to remedy that if possible
I don't think Dess wants to be a shadow monster either

>>715328558
Hell yeah, school shooting ending, except instead of shooting the school it is the schoolkids coming out of there to go full genoslide on hometown (do not ask how monsterkid would use a gun)

>>715328492
>he thinks the fanon writing of these characters is canon
>he thinks toby fox doesn't know how to write toriel and asgore
oh no no no....

>>715326279
Well there is a difference between moving on and getting together with someone else and fucking strangers while neglecting your children

>>715328571
>Just lost 2 sons
>the monsters are all angry at the humans
>makes a decision to galvanize his people, and give them hope of a brighter future
>Toriel gets all pissy, and leaves
>not a moment of thought given to the feelings of anyone other than herself

>>715328587
(You) already raped someone's sister, now you want to rape someone's brother? what's next, banging Berdly's aunt?

>>715328627
>do not ask how monsterkid would use a gun

>>715326002
Goddamn I can't even beat Undertale MEME games. Fuck my life I hate bullet hells.

Why is Deltarune so much weaker than Undertale.

>>715328694
Please don't

>>715328567
Literally everything Seam said about shadow crystals was collectively memoryholed by the fandom and I find that really interesting.
>Seam tells us Shadow Crystals are completely invisible and can only be seen by the shadow they cast
>People think they're just black crystals
>Seam tells us Spamton got his crystal from the NEO body
>People think he had one all along and that's why he went schizo in the first place

>>715328282
>while her son is missing
Her teenage son spent a Saturday studying with friends after church. If he had been still at Noelle's, or hanging out with Susie after, not coming home until dark would have been perfectly normal.

that fangame that I hate

>>715328693
>>makes a decision to galvanize his people, and give them hope of a brighter future
And what did he do with it? Piss all. He gave the humans several chances to genocide his people with fucking children.

>>715328484
She hated him for being a coward. He didn't want to kill humanity, but he was to afraid to put his foot down and tell the people no, so instead he just dragged his feet and waged the war in the most inefficient manner possible, hoping no more humans would ever fall down. Toriel wanted him to end the killing altogether.

>>715328484
>Toriel hated Asgore in Undertale because he didnt go on a human killing spree to free monsters.
SAY IT WITH ME FOLKS

>>715327268
and the whole bus clapped

December the Molester

Speaking of, do you think we'll see any more lightners introduced, aside from random scrimblos on the street? Like Berdly's parents, or Susie's evil bike-eating dad? I mean, Ms. Boom appears in chapter 4.

>>715328864
He gave them at least 100 years for their anger to die down.

>>715328816
The vast majority are illiterate and create headcanon without a shred of evidence. like the cat thing

>>715328929
>Susie's evil bike-eating dad?
Susie is Wario's daughter!?

>>715326002
holy shit i don't remember the last time something made me laugh this hard

>>715327465
why is kris betraying everyone not brought up at all in chapter 4

Susie the Apple Muncher

>>715328694
Sounds like a plan to me

>>715328360
they wernt kidnapping toriel if they were the knight would have just grabbed her like undyne

Why doesn't Kris just tell the Knight about snowgrave lmao

>>715326002
> Asgore is permanently stuck with a smug "here's who i'm gonna kill next" Open Season expression until chapter 5's release
GET IN GET IN

nerf the knight

>>715328947
while also giving them ample time to fall down from lack of hope, which is what lead to alphys experiments

>>715328971
It's from this masterpiece

BUFF THE KNIGHT

>>715328874
>Undertalefans shitting on undertalefans because his headcanon doesn't fit with the other headcanon
Stop breathing

>>715328817
That's fair, but everything other point still stands.

>>715328598
I think he's implying that the Knight is just the Knight in the light world. It might not be able to survive out there for long, but that's probably more similar to Kris not being able to go too long without the soul than it is to a darkner being given form by the darkness.

>>715328605
>I don't think Dess wants to be a shadow monster either
IDK, she seems like the type of person to find that really cool

>>715328694
>>715328587
We're doing this now?

>>715328798
He hasn't finished his training arc yet

>>715329071
>failing to comprehend the text of the game
>headcanon
This isn't Twitter, you can just tell me to kill myself, big man

Kanaklover > Krusie and Kriselle

Noelle the... the.. um..??

>>715327268
Cool.

>>715329193
Grimdark

>>715328929
I hope we meet Berdly's parents

>>715329090
Yeah, there might be a point to be made there, actually.
The shadow crystals don't change form in the light world, and the Knight's blade is made of the same material. And given how it summons that sword, I wouldn't be surprised if it's whole body is the same material.

>>715328605
Again I must emphasize that monsters do not care about what a monster looks like. They are MONSTERS, literally, many of them would already look scarier than the Knight IRL.
Now assuming Dess is the Knight and is working to be turned back for some other reason than looks, this leaves us with some questions.
First, why the secrecy? Why is the information being kept a secret, even from people who are familiar with the Dark Worlds and could possibly help?
Second, why the violence? Perhaps this could be answered by the first question, but why is the Knight okay with seriously harming Susie and Ralsei and risking starting the Roaring? Why does she knight Kris after she "loses" her fight with them?
Third, why the consistent emphasis on her being "lost" if she is no way lost? Even if she is suffering from some condition that keeps her in the Dark Worlds most of the time, for instance, she's not exactly hard to get to or interact with. No Darkner is "lost", despite not even being able to exist in the Light world.

I'm on DessKnight purely because i doubt Kris is doing this kind of shit with Asriel.
But i'm still slurping Kainkino and won't deny the chance of time travel, we will go into a newgame+

>>715329060
>HEY NOELLE, I HEARD YOUR SISTER IS REALLY STRONG!

>>715327465
>how the fuck would the hag manhandle Undyne
A quick reminder that crime disappeared over night because of Carol
The dog criminals RAN open arms to Undyne when they ran into what could be assumed to be Carol.
She’s not weak in the slightest and is only a “hag” due to porn memes and posts man

>>715326002
Is it better to have a faster time, or a higher LV?

>>715328983
Ralsei knows to keep his mouth shut, Susie was too stupid to put 2 and 2 together.

>>715329071
>something you can literally find in game
>headcanon
Is this bait? It's bait, isn't it? I can never tell in this board anymore.

>>715328605
>>715329251
>thinking Dess is consciously doing any of the knight shit
>not figuring out that Dess is being puppeteered by whatever entity turned her into that

>>715329012
You're just pulling that out of your ass.

the toriel and sans scene feels like it came from real experience
it feels too real and uncomfortable in a depressingly relatable way
the whole of chapter 3 with tv being the escape from a shitty family feels like it was written by me if I had creative drive

>>715328185
becoming a creature wrapped in pure glass-like darkness is a lot like being bronzed if you think about it

>>715326279
I mean it's more that it was funny and never actually went anywhere. This is still funny, mortifying and showing something way more troubling in the dreemur household but it's still bad.

The real waku waku character of DR is 8bit Kris. He will go walking 8bitstyle seeking strong challenges

>>715329154
>>715329326
>Dude just take a human soul, leave the barrier and kill a bunch of humans
>Nonono that's totally not what she meant I have a deep multilayered reading and comprehension of the whole situation after watching this 3 hours long YouTube video
You are all a bunch of niggers

>>715329105
Dess might not be all there in the head, judging from the drooling and the erratic movements.

>>715329358
how
>monsters get hope
>after some years, hope dies down
>monsters fall down from lack of hope
>alphys uses said fallen down monsters for her experiments
duh
doy

>>715329394
8bit Kris died when the console was turned off

>>715329262
>HEY NOELLE, I HEARD YOU WANTED TO GET STRONGER

>>715329394
>unplugs the controller
>minikris jobs instantly
Done.

>>715329060
>>715329262
>waku waku
>runs over Dess using Bulma's floating car

>>715329443
Falling down isn't caused by lack of hope, it's caused by illness and old age
>* Unfortunately, monsters are not experienced with illness.
>* However, when monsters are about to expire of age, they lie down, immobile.
>* We call this state "Fallen Down."

>>715329394
Waku w-ACK

>>715329451
He is out there
>>715329497
Not canon.

>>715329271
My time sucks, so I'm gonna say LV

>>715328282
>In addition, Sans was much more likable than Deltarune. He came across like an uncle, someone who would joke around with you but always had your best interests at heart.
Sans was always a prick in UT. It was just tempered by his relationship with Papyrus, his depression over being in the loop, and the fact he's the last thing standing in the player's way in Genocide.

>>715328874
apparently twitter is having a meltdown about this image because its right

>>715329185
Its cuter superficially, but there isn't much narrative meat in that ship. Until DRY or some other work gives Kanako an actual character and gives them a dynamic besides just "they kiss" Kriselle and Krusie both have more going on.

>>715329154
>ANT TENNA
>No ant motiff
one job

>>715329616
He shrinks when he's sad
I guess

>>715329185
I love it but come on

>>715328282
>pin Toriel and bowling ball Sans
Uh oh. This won't end well.

>>715329518
my mistake then, i spend too much time in these threads
either way, asgore wasting time like he did lead to alphys experiments because of more people falling down from old age or other natural causes

>>715329526
>if you dont like the game stop playing it
Based Susie.

>>715326002
This is the best meme to come from Deltarune

>>715329394
Kris is the HOLDBACKu of the setting. Someone's gonna die because that blueberry faggot won't just use X-Slash

>>715329672
The line that mindbroke completionfags.

>>715329375
proof?

>most likely to get knocked out in battles first due to being incredibly fragile
>physically the weakest party member
>has no offensive magic attacks like susie's rude buster
>his niche as the dedicated healer is already done better by susie in only 2 chapters worth of practice
>even his pacify spell is out done by noelle's which targets all enemies and she was only temporary

how do we save him from mediocracy?

>>715329698
not shown: his raging erection just offscreen

If Kris didn't save Susie, would Mini Kris have just oneshotted her on the spot? Would she have vanished in one hit?

>>715329251
>No Darkner is "lost"
Any darkner that you defeat with violence is lost. That's what its called when you do that.

>>715329719
it was really relatable to my family experience
except mine is worse

>>715329616
yeah IMO all he needed was like one of those ant butt things to tie the whole design together, but that might have been too busy. He's good as is though so it's not that big of a deal.

>>715329672
That too is foreshadowing. Kris does not likes Knight's plan but he is going along with it anyway. Susie will save him from this.

This scene killed two characters for me. Sans and Toriel are now bad characters

>>715329756
Since kris is estranged from his humanity this would just depress him. He clearly doesn't like the idea of being the human among monsters.

>>715329740
He'll be saved when he accepts his prophesized role as the fire mage and stops holding back.
It's really his only choice now that Susie can heal better.

>>715329771
Makes me wonder if it would be possible in aborted snowgrave to "thaw" the enemies you froze but that doesn't seem likely.

>>715327973
You? Dess
Desu

>>715329698
blueberry sex

>>715329740
Time for the almighty damage holy spells to show up

>>715329443
>monsters fall down from lack of hope
Its never stated in the game that lack of hope can kill monsters
>alphys uses said fallen down monsters for her experiments
Its also never stated why those specific monsters were fallen down.

You just made those two things up.

>>715329740
He'll learn fire magic, he's going to be our little Gohan and go raging apeshit and fire off a large Masenko at someone, rivaling Noelle's Snowgrave

>>715329740
His original concept was a fire mage who's bad at fire magic. During tea party he says he is no longer scared of Susie's Rude Buster. He already did some utility fire magic in chapter 4. We will witness the raise of Napalm Ralsei.

>>715329771
And?

>>715329878
>Maybe it's a dream, maybe nothing else is real
>But it wouldn't mean a thing if I told you how I feel
>So I'm tired of all the pain, all the misery inside
>And I wish I could live feeling nothing but the night
>You could tell me what to say, you could tell me where to go
>But I doubt that I would care, and my heart would never know
>If I make another move, there'll be no more turning back
>Because everything would change, and it all would fade to black
Bros why do the Bad Apple lyrics actually line up surprisingly well with Deltarune...

>>715329910
Dude, keep up with conversation.

>>715329851
He's lucky the JusticeAxe even exists, or else Susie would outclass him in every single regard via Devilsknife and his sole purpose would be to defend for free TP.

>>715329451
He tanked that, actually.

>>715326002
amazing
this community will turn full schizo and achive chim by the time ch7 releases
some hitboxes are total bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnY

>>715329836
3D characters have flaws, anon. They're like real people.

>>715326002
Only had to run over 15 retards who couldn't stay out of the road. Hell yeah, bby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnY

This is the purest form of love.

>>715329856
>thaw" the enemies you froze but that doesn't seem likely
Highly unlikely. Task Manager went through the city to kill off any frozen processes you left behind.

>>715329949
>touhou was one of the inspirations for Undertale and Deltarune.
It's all connected.

Or maybe japan loves stories about light vs dark, and power of friendship

>>715329890
>Fire of Sinai
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>715329921
My man titans are not Darkners
They’re less than people please understand

>>715329985
>some hitboxes are total bullshit
>ruins your fucking run

>>715329960
anon, this thread is moving at mach 5. I can't keep up if I stop to refresh read the whole thread every time I want to make a reply.

>>715329990
post the fast one

>>715330051
Darkners are also less than people.

>>715330006
Oh...
damn.

>>715329251
>Again I must emphasize that monsters do not care about what a monster looks like.
You're making this assumption based on the extremely idealistic happy ending of Undertale
If Alphys didn't think people would have a problem with their loved ones being melted into Amalgamates she wouldn't fucking kill herself rather than come forward with the truth in most endings
>why the secrecy?
Whatever solution there is to Dess's problem it obviously involves the Dark World, and the Dark World is a secret to everybody for the very good reason that if people used it maliciously or irresponsibly it could easily cause the end of the world.
The conspiracy is following The Prophecy, where everyone involved has a role to play. Susie and Ralsei don't need to know what's going on to fulfill their role, and if they knew it would probably create problems. Remember that Carol is a control freak and hostile to outsiders getting involved in her shit.
Also remember that YOU are a key player here, and everyone who knows about YOU (besides Kris) seems intent on not breaking the illusion that YOU are Kris and you're just the hero who seals the fountains. Both Carol and Ralsei want to maintain kayfabe and have YOU keep playing along with their game, because if you lose interest and abandon the world, everyone dies.
>why the violence? why is the Knight okay with seriously harming Susie and Ralsei
They're not seriously harmed, she just knocks them out.
>and risking starting the Roaring?
There's no risk of that. It won't happen until the Prophecy says it will, and considering how effective the Black Shard alone is The Knight probably could have killed the Titan it summoned with ease using its Black Knife.
>why the consistent emphasis on her being "lost" if she is no way lost
"Lost" has like a dozen meanings and it's an apt description just on the basis of her getting lost in the forest and going into the Shelter

>>715329820
Artist source, if any?

>>715329985
>>715329990
Hivemind

>>715329584
Lets see how tough this little bastard is when he's (consensually) raping the doe.

>>715329740
It's okay, he is groovy

>>715330085
And titans are less than darkners, Tell should something that can’t grasp the concept of mercy be given it?

>>715329949
>You could tell me what to say, you could tell me where to go
>But I doubt that I would care, and my heart would never know
Literally the Knight and Carol telling Kris what to do and the SOUL being left in the dark about everything

>>715329881
why does the apple boy turn into a blueberry boy anyways

>>715328063
It was made by a guy on a LISA shitcord server iirc

>>715326002
One of the best fangames that I've played, right up there with fnafb

SAY IT /V/!!

>>715330203
>inhale my dong enragement child

>>715326002
did /v/ come up with the "asgore ran dess over" thing first?

>>715330156
Maybe some kind of saturated gray since Susie turns pink as a saturation of her normal purple and there's all that stuff about Kris' hand being gray underneath

>>715330156
because blue is better

>>715326770
>dancing and laughing
And fucking

>>715329928
I'm just saying there might be a connection there. Like with But Nobody Came in Undertale. Toby loves to draw thematic connections between phrases or words used in different contexts.

>>715330221
IT

>>715330243
no lol a friday night funkin' and FNAF twitter artist did

>>715330221

>>715326002
LMFAO this shit had me rolling.

>>715330129

>>715330221
I LOVE TV, CHARLIE!
I LOVE TV!!!

>>715330221
I LOVE ERAM!

>* From now on, defeating enemies with violence will make them LOST.
>* LOST enemies cannot become RECRUITs ever again.
>* But, the bonds you break may make you stronger...

>>715330289
couldn't agree more.

>>715330409
ERAM blanket sex, it's ok to jerk off under your bedsheets

>>715329568
>Sans was always a prick in UT
He would joke arround with you but I'd hardly call that being a dick. The only time he seemed genuinely mean spirited to the player was in Genocide, and in that rote you totally deserved it.

>>715330413
So is there any actual reason ASIDE from snowgrave to fight enemies instead of just recruiting them?

>>715328817
>Her teenage son spent a Saturday studying with friends after church
Kris comes home at 2:00 a.m. Toriel hasn't even called him once.

>>715329074
Eh, I don't think so.
>In DR Toriel gets drunk and screws a dude she met two days ago
The jokes write themselves, but as far as what Toby wrote, intended, and thinks of as canon, I don't think they actually boned. They played music and talked all night, which was probably the most dickish part, but without knowing the exact time you got home Kris might have been going to bed really early.
>Plus Sans has been a total asshole to you and Susie up to this point for seemingly no reason.
Sans is his usually jokey, sarcastic self. Susie just really worked up over all of his jokes for some reason. If you had an NPC following you around in Undertale going "Blue stop signs?! That doesn't explain anything, it just makes it way more confusing!" he'd probably seem like more of an asshole there.
>There's also evidence that the divorce in this universe was over a misunderstanding
"Evidence" as in Asgore ominously muttering to himself while holding an evil crystal. That one I'd say the jury is out entirely, we just don't know enough about what actually happened or even what people say happened, but I imagine that'll be out next chapter.

A mom who has a friendless loser son that finally left the house to socialize, and some shitty weather causes her to spend some time with a guy she likes chatting with, so she invites him home for drinks and they end up getting drunk. It's not mother of the year behavior, but I don't think she really did anything wrong either.

>>715329985
>>715330056
Catti's dad is fucking ridiculous. Even just a single hit on him can instantly end a run sometimes.

>>715329672
>>715329694
What if I like half of the game but that half is locked behind completing the half I don't like?

>>715330132
I could see the titan and spawn being mindless to be the setup for a later subversion. Like maybe they are sentient, or would at least become that way if left to develop for long enough. And Ralsei is just hiding that from (you) because he knows that you would hesitate if you knew.

>>715330481
Jevil is the only enemy worth beating the shit out of, and that is for his weapon

>Ch1
>SNES/Genesis themed (muh jrpg forest and FF castle)
>Ch2
>SNES/Genesis themed (Sonic, Punch out, Gunstar Heroes, mascot character platformers)
>Ch3
>SNES/Genesis themed (Zelda, Goof Troop, Sunset Riders, Those funky TV show games that somehow appears in the shelves)
>Ch4
>SNES/Genesis themed (__________________________)

well, /v/?

>"Heh, Kris, your mom is such a slut... One time at a party, she got so drunk she blew literally every man she could get her big hands on! Whoo, man! Good times!"

>"Yeah Kris she was a whore with a capital H! Do you know what a butt chug is Kris? No? Well one time I saw your mother butt chug a whole keg, before that I only saw a pledge take six! Anyways she went ballistic, stripped down to her skivvies and sprinted out on the campus. Once she started streaking campus police couldn't stop her so they had to call the REAL cops... Anyways, that's how she met your father!"

>>715330480
The part where he says "You'd be dead where you stand" always felt uncharacteristically mean. I couldn't really imagine sans caring that much about getting free from the underground to actually kill Frisk.

So what are the actual odds of "aborted snowgrave" being its own route? Pic unrelated

>>715330289
if she were green, would she die?

>>715326002
I LOVE MY FAMILY!!!

>>715330113
The problem with the amalgams isn't their appearance, its their existence being a living hell. Just look at So Cold and tell me that thing isn't in absolute misery. Its own body rejecting itself, while its minds swims in a mess of conflicting thoughts, yet despite it all it won't die.

>>715330221
I LOVE TV!

>>715328484
>>715328867
>>715328874
>Toriel hated Asgore in Undertale because he didnt cross the barrier after he killed the first child and didnt ho on a human killing spree to free monsters
That was a horrible plan anyway since Omega Flowey and even Asriel+Chara demonstrated the human souls can rebel and take control if the monster didn't get 7 of them.

>>715330553
the threat comes completely out of nowhere which is why it works so well
this is especially in light of genocide where sans is such a fat retard that he won't do anything about the mongolian child killing everyone in sight until they're mere inches away from the barrier

>>715330550
The pillar climbing and scrolling effect looks like the one in super ghosts n goblins, and there's mario&wario for puzzles involving houses

>>715330553
That's because Frisk is a time space anomaly wit the power to kill him and his entire world if they feel like it, and prior to our arrival he was just stuck in a death loop with a similar being. He had every reason to not trust us until we prove ourselves trustworthy.

>>715330653
hypergod asriel didn't show any trouble with them
and flowey basically let frisk rally the souls against him

>>715330581
It would be extremely painful.

>>715326002
uh oh, sansisters, whats our response!?

>>715327952
How about Nerdy Prudes Must Die by Starkid? A bunch of nerds accidentally murder the school bully, who comes back as an unstoppable demonic ghost bent on revenge. I haven't seen it myself, but I have seen this absolutely incredible animation of the title song:

https://www.tiktok.com/@thirdchildart/video/7426786166000897326

>>715330731
>nitrotroon
cringe

>>715330485
>I don't think they actually boned
Torielkek...
Toby even used moaning sounds in this scene as a placeholder during development. Here all the info: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/710658226/
https://freesound.org/people/billydreamer/?downloaded_sounds=14%23sounds
>but without knowing time
The OST is literally called 2am.

>>715330550
it's a stretch but the chase sequences and puzzles felt like something from the snes Clock Tower
music and theme wise it felt very Mana

>>715330731
>"Kris, I have the code to the shelter, I wrote it on a $5 bill in my nightstand drawer."

>>715330480
Maybe he's being mean spirited to Kris on purpose. He did keep Toriel from being captured by the Knight. He might have known Kris and the Knight's plans and is actively working against them. Hell, maybe he's Gaster's (or whoever the mystery voice in the menus is) secret operative in the DR world meant to help (you).

>>715330561
Very low. I think deltarune's scope is way too big compared to undertale so the routing had to be simplified.
Does detarune ever call you out for reloading a save like undertale did?

>>715330821
U U
U U

>>715330581
it's probable

>>715325868 (OP)
What are you killing the wait with?
How the hell is this a free game?

>>715330869
But there's no way that things could possibly play out the same, right? You can't undo what you did to Noelle and Berdly in chapter 2.

>>715326002
Harder than Jevil

>>715330485
Fucking and drinking is the most fun thing for Toriel. She said so herself, she's a slut. It's canon.

>>715330861
You may be right. Sans has always known more than he lets on after all.

>Distant sounds of Toriel waiting for grandkids

>>715330861
also his dialogue here is suspicious
>hey, she'll be fine
>im sure she'll figure it all out

>>715327228
Brother, if you think Toby has EVER known hot to or been capable of writing a likeable romance, you haven't been paying attention. ESPECIALLY if it's a straight one.

>>715330485
>Sans is his usually jokey, sarcastic self
How about trying to actually play Undertale again and seeing his dialogue?
Sans is way more smug in Deltarune.

>>715330996
I don't think they were a thing. If they were, Asriel sure moved on quickly.

>>715330996
The desire of grandchildren overrides her from yelling at them to keep quiet so she just hears Dess moan loudly when she climaxes (roaring knight sound effect)

>>715330939
it was just a prank bro

Toriel is whoring again...

Imagine the crash out when Asriel returns and he's super religious and calls krisp lil bro

>>715331101
>the crying and crying and crying boy
i don't think so

>>715326002
happy ending

>>715330873
>thin pubes

>>715330926
I'm just playing whatever I feel like and working on my fangame

also what game is that?`

>>715331065
what gets me about this is that he says it right after toriel shows some concern for susie despite her drunken state
fucker just pulls her back in
i highly doubt he was trying to protect toriel from anything, he's just a douche

>>715327228
>>715331082
The fuck are you talking about, retards? He got extremely good at writing romance lately.
>but muh suselle
Written bad on purpose and set to fail.

>>715330156
its representative of kris's original light blue soul

>>715331149
How did we get access to Frisk's skill *Flirt?

>>715331065
where did he say that?

>>715331180
>lately
Lol, lmao even

>>715331082
>ESPECIALLY if it's a straight one

>>715331101
She has Asriel's retainer in her room. That's a kind of intimacy I didn't even know existed.

>>715331191
after susie leaves
he even closes his eyes when he does it
and I want to add that he had a badge in undertale in the back room of his house, and the shelter has a badge on it as well

>>715331190
He got practice

>>715330221
Ok ok, I'm the father alright? I'll pay Elnina's damn child support, just don't kill me, man!!

>>715331181
hopefully kris gets his soul back/ strong enough to resist (you) by the end
i want to see what it does

>>715331190
Always had it, but never used it.

>>715331082
He keeps accidentally writing really good straight romances, and then throwing them away for terrible gay ships

>>715330859
I honestly wouldn't put it past Tobert to brick the save file like that.

>>715331181
>>715331274
proof?

>>715331241
Toby is definitely exploring new horizons of intimacy.

>>715331190
Kris does a lot of Flirting in Deltarune.

>>715331326
Kris told me after a rimjob

>>715330550
chapters 3 and 4 have a surprising amount of mario references, some a bit obscure or not obvious

>>715331293
he's also a big fan of unrequited loves, like with mettaton/alphys, mew mew/undyne, and in DR Kris with both Susie and Noelle

>>715331293
>accidentally
We're still doing this chapter 2-era cope?

>people are drawing shit like this now
https://files.catbox.moe/fia14d.jpeg
We'll probably get some NTR manga because of that retarded fucking scene. Thank you, Toby.

>>715331326
just speculation
susie seems to think all humans have a physical soul, and since (you) aren't kris' original soul there's some speculation on what it is
kris' light blue look in the dark world sorta looks like the colour for the cyan soul in undertale, so people are rolling with that for kris' natural soul type

>>715331348
Best non-japanese DR animation by far..

>>715330774
undertale fans really can't read lmao

>>715331293
>>715331235
>>715331180
>All fanfiction
Thanks for proving my point.

>>715331101
I started writing a green about that. Maybe I'll finish it soon.
Asriel was in church when Catty found out when the prom would be. so she jumped onto him, and asked if he was going to take her, and said "I'll be your pretty prom princess" which got all the mothers in the room to go "Awww" in sync, so he felt compelled to take her.
Afterwards, she tried to drag him to an alleyway for some hot dirty post-prom coitus. Asriel tried letting her down gently, but then she started screaming and crying, tearing up posters, and trying to break car windows, which got her arrested.
Sophomore year was certainly an awkward one for him.

>>715331419
>UGH guys I can't believe they just keep making this KEK PORN
>here's this KEK PORN guys can you believe it? totally gross right
>anyway I'm gonna go look at more KEK PORN

Kris was supposed to be a blue dog in the original concept in which everyone was a human and turned into monsters in the dark world. Thus blue Kris.

>>715331348
I like how much bigger Susie's head is that Kris's. Not enough artists really emphasis the size difference between the two.

>>715331479
>All fanfiction
Sure, Dess having Asriel's music CD, shirt and FUCKING RETAINER is fan-fiction and totally did not happen in the game. "Concert just for me" was also a fanfiction and had nothing to do with Toby.

>>715331535
faggot mod

>SGDQ is finishing with Deltarune
>A transgeder (wom)man is running it, and every other donations is "trans rights"
We're going to get even more shitposters for this, aren't we?

>>715331326
>all of the longer term planning shit
>has to put up with your bullshit
yeah seems pretty patient to me

>>715331552
That's why we shouldn't disregard Western artists.

>>715331535
Why did they turn Clover into a faggot?

>>715331536
I like the idea of humans in the light world and monsters in the dark world.
Too bad toby needs that brand recognition so we can farm sans memes.

>>715326002
my fucking wrist

>>715331487
It's interesting that Asriel has an undelivered letter addressed to Catty thanking her for the prom in his jacket, probably wrote it up and then realized he didn't feel that way at all about the whole thing

>>715331594
i take solace in knowing that kris would hate all the fags self inserting as him

>>715331594
I was hoping that our janny will delete their thread by accident and will be sodomized by the rest of mod team, but alas, he was either taking a day off or they locked him up.

>>715331419
>Let's focus on clearing out the rest of Asgore's belongings.
Sans WTF?! What's wrong with this nigga?

>>715331741
>him
including you?

>>715327467
>we memed it in oblivion before ch 5 even came out.
That shit's on him. Maybe release the game like a normal person instead taking a decade to drip-feed it because you're too much of an autismo.

>>715331479
snowgrave tragic bad end kriselle is real tho

>>715331669
I don't, I think its kinda lame to throw away a cool fantastic realism concept like having fauns, skeletons, goat men, and dragons live in the same suburban neighborhood as humans. And having different fantasy worlds be be connected is another cool concept that hardly ever gets used.

>>715331807
WRONG!
Krusie on Normal Route
Kriselle on Aborted Snowgrave
Suselle on Snowgrave (Susie will kill Kris to save Noelle from (You)

>>715330114
https://x.com/CommunistBee/status/1944035784811852024/photo/1

>>715331776
Look man just because I paid $25 to pilot them doesn't mean I am them.

>>715331776
i acknowledge that kris may, in fact, be a boy (female)

>>715331776
I don't have to self insert to know a man when I see one.

That's how chapter 5 ends. Kris beats the shit out of Sans and bonds with Toriel.
https://files.catbox.moe/qbbm8a.jpeg

>>715331864
>Suselle on Snowgrave (Susie will kill Kris to save Noelle from (You)
Will be die trying.

>>715330413
Again I find it really interesting how "Lost" is never translated in the Japanese version
Apparently the Ribbick dialogue just says
>Lost
>Lost
>Lost girl
when everything else is translated.
LOST having a double meaning and being more than just the "not found" definition is pretty obvious.

>>715331776
>before chap 3+4
It's an example of an abusive hetero relationship
after Chap3+4
he's female

>>715331594
Shayy isn't a woman. Are you okay?

>>715326002
Eh, it was funnier in my head before starting up gimp,
but I spend enough time to not just not share it

>>715331864
>Suselle on Snowgrave (Susie will kill Kris to save Noelle from (You)
Now imagine this happening, but it's because we've taken over Noelle and are just manipulating Susie to tie up loose ends

>>715330221
>even the gun is pixelated
Kino!

Why are Catty and Bratty seemingly Asriel's age when they seem to also be the same age as their Undertale counterparts and Monster Kid was aged up?

You'll have every bull dyke lesbian talking shit about Snowgrave for years, but the second their ship crashes and burns, they flip like a dime, and all of that just means nothing.

>>715332063
Beautiful bonding moment between a human and their SOUL

>>715331145
Enchant Farm
It's an autism vortex, there are a ton of stats and elements to manage

>>715330221

>>715332085

>>715326770
Simply reading about it and not having played this chapter, that kinda sounds like a forced, out of nowhere conflict from a writing perspective. Like he was entirely banking on the image of an overprotective mom he has built since Undertale (I still find it weird he decided to reuse Undertale characters for this, strikes me as insecure) and then pulled the rug for some shock value.

>come back from shit
>thread is talking about shipshit again
Well, thread was fun while it lasted.

>>715332183
Ralsei, you know what to do

>>715330006
You know, one thing I noticed is how we went from the whole "Gotta save 'em all!" shtick in Chapters 1 and 2 to the current "Forget about us all and get a real life, Kris" in Chapters 3 and 4
Is this Ralsei "showing his true colors"? Or is it just Tony Cox being a bad writer?

POST FRIEND

>>715332162
So they can fit better with Asriel being your older brother instead of some kid who died hundreds of years ago

>>715332162
It's just the simple notion of older characters allowing Toby to tell stronger, more interpersonal stories, and since he wanted Kris to live under Asriel's shadow, he made Asriel a young adult compared to how Kris and MK are teens.

Toriel... Why?

>>715332283
>

>>715332283

>>715332162
Why are Toriel and Asgore younger than Gerson when they were older than him in Undertale? Its a different universe and Toby shifted around the timeline a lot to make stuff fit.

>>715326002
Lmao

>>715332281
>Or is it just Tony Cox being a bad writer?
Some new revelations about King are straight up contradicting what Seam had said in chapter 1.

>>715332283

>>715332183
Why does the bottom left panel have legs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJacxFF2xk

>>715331707
I want to fuck this fat cat so bad. I've wanted to for 10 years since undertale.

>>715331776
Unfortunately for you, Kris is undeniably male, in behaviour and appearance. Must be fun to have prosopagnosia and not being able to notice anyone's gender before asking them.

>>715332283

RIPiss bone man.

>>715332281
What contradiction are you imagining there

>>715332376
Such as...?

>>715332232
There's a thread of trans/lgbt people speedrunning the game if thats more your speed

>>715332281
>Gotta save 'em all
That was clearly his bid to change the prophecy.
> * But, Kris, I believe YOUR choices are important, too.
> * This world is full of all kinds of people, Kris.
> * In the end, how we treat them makes all the difference.
> * So let's try our best to get by without FIGHTing.
> * If we can manage to do that...
> * I believe this tale may have a happy ending.
> * Otherwise, I fear that...
> * ... you may not... find the result favorable.

>Forget about us all and get a real life, Kris
He always referred to Darkners as being subservient to Lightners, and also kicked Kris and Susie out of Castletown to do homework in chapter 2, it's nothing new.

>>715332085
>snowgrave ending will be Witch's House all over again
uh oh

>>715332376
I don't think Seam ever actually said the strange knight and the strange someone were different, did he?
It was just assumed to be the case because it'd be weird to refer to the same person with 2 different things.

>>715332419
>we are not going to get another chapter boss kino like chapters 1 to 3
Man, I am the only one who felt the Titan was a let down?
I feels there is something wrong with me but I just can't like it.

>>715332419
Where's the Titan tho

>>715332298
She's a bitch. She'd probably do the same thing to Kris if there wasn't a social stigma about caring for your kids.

>>715332419
>>715332483
I'm gonna be disappointed when there's no boss rush mode at the end.

>>715332423
Question for you: if susie's gender was ambiguous and not explicit like with Kris, what would recognize Susie as, based on behavior?

>>715332283

>>715332448
>>715326002

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03br1abjjJw

>>715332548
Long hair, duh.

>>715332496
They are different people. That's why he referred to them differently.

Any in-game text of Friend doing literally anything in the game?

Damn kozo will get what's coming to him

>>715332515
No, I thought it was lame too. The whole thing just made me roll my eyes. The music wasn't even that good.

>>715332360
Don't do my little bro dirty like that.

>"Hmm. Who should I fuck today? The gym teacher? The janitor? The plumber? Or that human who's recently moved to our town?"

>>715326279
Nah

>>715332548
Looks like a girl to me, shows romantic interest in a guy, is named Susie. I'd say she's a girl.

>>715332602
Long hair =/= behavior. Try again.

>>715325868 (OP)
>be me
>lurk the Deltarune threads as usual
>fins some interesting image
>check it on the archive
>run view same
>find some thread through image hash search on the archive
>it leads me to a thread about Toby Fox using some porn SFX from freesound.org
>>710658226
>check the thread
>third post is friend smut
>check the thread for catbox links or filenames
>JACKPOT.avif
>search the archive for the past threads where the friend porn has been posted
That was quite fun. haha
Now it is saved.
https://vidya.pics/post/list/artist%3Abonesawbingus/1
Please upload more Deltarune OC that you find, anons. Tagging is secondary, just add the source if possible.
Also, this is me singing.
https://files.catbox.moe/eee2rn.ogg

>>715332607
He drops nice snacks for u to help u beat Mantle :) There's a reason he's called FRIEND and not ENEMY :)
Download him onto your computer :)

>>715332695
Noelle is a guy now?

>>715332678
>Plot twist being that Kris is biologically Toriel's.
>She managed to convince Asgore that this can just happen between Monster and monster randomly.

>>715332701
She brushes it.

>>715326002
>I'm committing vehicular Manburger Helper!

>>715332530
In the trash where it belongs.

>>715332695
You think Noelle is a guy?

>>715332734
>third post is friend smut
This is really all it comes down to. jerking off to a house cat

>>715332759
Dudes brush their long hair, too. Especially punk dudes.

>>715325868 (OP)
It all went downhill when Ralsei wasn't black

>>715332762
Aw man, it was just a baby

>>715332780
Looks like a girl to me, shows romantic interest in a guy, is named Noelle. I'd say she's a girl.

>>715332780
They're obviously trans.

>>715332734
What is with /v/ users and wanting to fuck cats specifically?

>>715332792
>Maybe the real delta rune was the friends we went inside of.

>>715332734
I wanna be INSIDE FRIEND...

>>715326002
Absolute masterpiece, I will kill the fat purple cat the first chance I am given in Deltarune.

A true vessel full of love unlike kris the faggot

>>715332746
She didn't show any romantic interest in Noelle. That sexual attraction is entirely one sided. Susie just views her as a friend. Kris is the one she loves.
>captcha ntrsa

>>715332848
Haven't you heard?
A cat is fine too.

>>715332848
Something,something. A cat is fine too

>>715332734
Toxoplasmosis posted this.

>>715332758
>Plot twist being that Kris is biologically Toriel's
Kris has red eyes. Toriel has red eyes. She's his mother.

>>715332909
Yeah, but not feral, man, come on, I love you but you can't be doin' this.

>>715330348
We should see Susie's and Noelle's soles.

>>715333006
Feral with human intelligence is hot...

>>715326950
Guys I only played chapter 1 what in the fucking fuck mother of cuck happened? Is this real? I'll never come back to this thread to find out but tell me anyways and get mad for me in my absence. Fucking Tony fox is a faggot

>>715332829
Lamest boss in the game. Zero personality. All flash, no substance.

>>715332905
She was sexually attracted to Noelle when she went grim dark.

>the same morons who can't read a room are telling you what the characters are

>>715332423
Male in behavior, appearance, role, interests, etc.

>>715333006
Please consult the chart

>>715332871
Holy shit this is mega cringe. Now I must rhyme with ore-inge.

>>715332780
Noelle shows interest in Susie, but Susie has no interest in Noelle. She's just oblivious to the fact that what she's doing could be interpreted as reciprocating romantic advances because she's a dumbass.

>>715333040
prease recronsider.

>>715333046
The hell are you talking about?

>>715333138
>2-5
Would.

>>715333104
>sexual maturity for humans happens around 13-16
but we can't let that fact get in the way.

>>715333117
>Susie has no interest in Noelle
Year 4 of this cope

I don't even really like needing to use /v/ as my only outlet to talk about Deltarune but my friends have been fucking ignoring me ever since it came out FUCK

>>715333230
> * Because... now I have friends.
> * Real friends.
> * Friends I wanna keep.
> * Kris. Ralsei. Lancer... Toriel, too.
> * Even though I thought I was broken...
> * I just needed to find the right people, y'know?
Guess who's missing?

>>715332515
I mean, it's not a character. As stakes for the plot, it works fine, but "emotionless giant that only exists to destroy" is not going stand up to charming characters who have reasons for what they're doing, and better boss music.

>>715333104
Based MJ impersonator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9kDr4na0ls

>>715333191
Play the game.
>susie sees Noelle in goth makeup for a cover she's doing for Catti
>tells Noelle that she should look like that more while blushing

>>715326279

That's how you know that in reality, nobody supported this pairing to begin with.

A very loud minority would hype it up, then when it actually happens the normal fan who really did not give a fuck takes notices and starts voicing his displeasure, at which point the previously mentioned minority gets correctly drowned out.

>>715333230
you should just call krisp a lesbian and cut to the chase when krusie wins

>>715333230
>Year 4 of Susellefags counting how many times Susie thought of Noelle while Kris and Susie went on a literal date already

>>715326002
That snake and fat fucking cat keeps fucking me over

>>715333305
Wow, you mean they're MORE than friends?
Even I was going to go that far, but if that's what the game says...

>>715333230
>>715333418
>year 4 of faggots baiting each other with the same shit and polluting the threads with the same discussions on loop

>>715333219
We all know, Anon, it's just the western cultural norm atm, gotta roll with it for now.

>>715333230
>you would only mention someone if you want to fuck her.
For every one of these, there are a dozen where she mentions Lancer or Ralsei when neither of them are around. It could just be that they're friends.
Hell, both Susie and Noelle talk about Kris when he's not there, even wishing that he was there.

The one and only moment I can see as pointing toward Susie being into Noelle is when she asks if Noelle is mentioned just a minute after the prophecy that says "Love finds it's way to the girl"
and even then, it could also be that she suspects Noelle has a crush on her, and just wants to know how to rebel against the prophecy.

>>715333347
You know its entirely possible to play these games and miss small lines of dialogue like that. Anyways of course Susie would say she should dress like that more often, if Susie had her way the whole world would be wearing spikes, leather, and black eye shadow.

>the shadow mantle/eram wasn’t from chapter 1 and won by the king
>even thought the eram theme has a motif from the king’s theme
Okay

>>715333428
Don't stress about it too hard, if you hit under ten, I say you did a great job, Sans blocks like half the screen near the end

>>715333468
>demands you call them gay
>cries when you dont
get help. i feel bad for your family

>>715333464
Well duh, that's why she asked Noelle to lick her hair and teach her to play piano.

>>715333538
>and even then, it could also be that she suspects Noelle has a crush on her, and just wants to know how to rebel against the prophecy.
why would she want to rebel against the prophecy at that point

>>715328816
The fandom has just memory holed Seam in general
>Is a character on Asriel's PC wallpaper
>Found in the class room that Asriel and Dess teach them in
>Could potentially be made by Dess with the sewing supplies in her room
>is the only character to have random lore included with merchandise
>said lore is also in bold lettering

>>715332467
>>715332496
>>715332604
Chapter 1, Seam:

>* Historically, this land was ruled by the Four Kings, from CARD CASTLE to the East.
>* But, recently, a strange knight appeared...
>* And three of the kings were locked away.
>* The remaining king put him and his strange son into power.
>* This land hasn't seen THIS much chaos since...
>* Ha ha ha...
>* Well, you don't need to know about THAT.

>* He... was a funny little man. Once, the court jester. I, the court magician.
>* A friend...? Could I consider him a friend...? Perhaps, perhaps not.
>* But he was the only one who matched me in the games we used to play.
>* One day, he met a strange someone... and since then, he began to change.
>* He started saying bizarre things that didn't completely make sense -
>* But didn't completely not make sense, either.
>* Soon, he began to see the world as a game, and everyone as its participants.
>* As the court mage, and his only companion, I was forced to lock him away...
>* Or, rather, lock US all away, in his own words.
>* Since that time, the strange words he's said have stuck inside my cotton...
>* And my view of this world has become darker, yet darker.
>* Reflecting on these old memories, I think, perhaps - I miss playing games with him.
>* And I wonder, if I hadn't been asked to lock him up...
>* Would I have found a little more purpose in my life...?

(part 1)

>>715333347
Susie blushes all the time, she's just socially awkward.

>>715333612
>schizophrenia
i am just TIRED of seeing the SAME FUCKING THINGS OVER AND OVER
i don't give a flying fuck about suselle and i wish toby never added it so the threads wouldn't constantly argue about it

>>715327870
>I know, but "Dess got shattered like gaster" was something I saw someone unironically try to claim was a more reasonable assumption in another thread.
stupid anon, that is a very reasonable take. i mean have you ever seen Dess and Gaster in the same place at the same time?

>>715333305
I thought that was really funny. Even Toriel got a mention before Noelle.
And it kind of makes sense. She'd rather Noelle and Berdly just think what happened was all a dream instead of maybe including her on their world-saving adventures.
One mission with Kris, and it's already "we've got to go back and do it all again tomorrow"
but another with Noelle, and now we need to keep this all under wraps.

>>715333663
(part 2)

Chapter 4, King:

>* Soon you will meet your demise, by the Knight's hand...
>* We lived, idiot.
>* WHAT!? YOU met THE KNIGHT!?
>* ... Aheh. A rare show of mercy, I suppose.
>* With their full strength, you'd be SPLATTERED!! Hahaha!!
>* ...
>* ... What... were they like?
>* Umm, they seemed a little...
>* A little? A little what?
>* You know. A little... y'know?
>* A little WHAT!? DRAW A PICTURE, WENCH!!!

>* It was he, the clown, that told me the Knight's brilliance...
>* About the fountains' glory, and how I would rise to power.
>* Funny little man. How his jokes and dances made us chuckle.
>* A shame he had to be tricked away, by his closest companion.
>* The magician, Seam, whose smile has gone empty since that day.

I feel these just don't quite fit together. You can come up with Seam or King being dishonest but that would be straight up shit writing.

>>715333663
>(part 1)
Make your fucking point dude, I played the game, you don't need to repost the whole scene

>>715333418
I got the ch 4 ntr dialogue on my first run of it
Made me laugh

>>715333621
Because she seemed kind of uncomfortable at the idea of her love life being fortold in ancient glass panes.

>dess is missing and has constantly and unavoidably been referenced since chapter 1 and shown as important
>its like when your sister gets cursed in dragon blazers II
>lost girl motif in black knife
>the knight wields a bat-sword
>the knights attacks are posters in dess’s room
>the knight shares poses with kris
>it explains kris’s motivations
>it explains why the knight holds hands with the knight and seemingly show them affection
>said scene originally had a guitar sound playing that was cut
>carol can’t get to the church in time
>carol shows up even on snowgrave where she wasn’t called
Hmmmm who could the knight be

>>715333621
Because it has a really bad ending.

>>715333748
It can be surprisingly hard to remember everything ever said in the game, specially since so much stuff gets locked depending on what you do.

>>715333636
>merch
>canon

>>715326002
>people have finally stopped simping for Toriel and have embraced Asgore
Today... today is a good day

>>715333704
It's funny because Toby went out of his way to give bullets to every ship with the new chapters, even Kris and Noelle which was the forbidden ship

>>715333793
Also
>"lost girl" is consistently left untranslated in the japanese version, as if to imply a double meaning that wouldn't carry over into the language (aka dess isn't just the "missing" definition of lost)

I will never forgive Toby for not letting us actually see the tsundere cactus waifu Darkner in Chapter 3.

>>715333886
>give bullets to every ship with the new chapters
there was no new Madgore remarks sadly

>>715327528
>the 10 foot tall evil shadowmonster that acts like an animal and leaves behind dark particles even in the light world
>and isn’t wearing a costume (see the roaring sprite with the eye)
>is totally normal brooooooooooooo
Did you see her moving at daytime as well retard?

>>715333793
>>lost girl motif in black knife
It isn't though, but the track almost seems structured in a way to make you hallucinate it. It has the opening two notes, and then the last three or so, but everything in between is off.

>>715333870
The normies are always a few years behind, it sucks, but it is what it is, brother.

Sure, Toby made his artists draw 150 unique sprites for a single Krusie scene, but you know, he's absolutely going to cuck his self-insert in the end.

>>715333663
>>715333746
>I feel these just don't quite fit together.
You posted four different scenes, be specific about what you're criticizing
I'm going to assume it's about Jevil, I don't see what the contradiction is
He gets cursed with knowledge by the "strange someone," he goes insane and starts telling King about things that haven't happened yet, eventually he has to get locked up by Seam. What's the problem?

>>715333969
I only got S rank on board 2 on my first playthrough and I thought this motherfucker was the schizoboss because I couldn't see its first dialogue and I'm still mad at it
>can I look like this... can I dream like this...
"DREAM" LIKE HOPES AND DREAMS AND I WAS FOLLOWING THE HYPERDEATH SCHIZOBOSS THEORY
Stupid fucking cactus got me excited for nothing

>>715333817
that was before she saw the ending
>>715333785
she wanted to see the love panel for herself and wanted to follow the prophecy after it anyway

>>715328962
>create headcanon without a shred of evidence. like the cat thing
you gotta datamine the sweepstakes, anon

>>715333976
At least Mad has an actual functioning pussy and had a feminine body 100%, so I won't judge.

>>715333886
>even Kris and Noelle which was the forbidden ship
That's only in the eyes of obnoxious faggots. He did give Kriselle some ammo thought. He also gave legitimacy to the real forbidden ship, (you)elle, by making her like it and want to go to the festival with (you).

>>715334075
Have you ever dealt with pixel animation?
At that level of detail, most of them are just a few pixels off from frame to frame.

>>715333886
they dont care about the story even if he makes these "ships" canon

>>715334019
>and isn’t wearing a costume
Kris mentions the knight removing the helmet tho

>>715328406
Like this

>>715334141
The Kris cactus litteraly confirms it as forbidden love.

>>715334075
>Krusie scene
Have you tried experiencing the game like a normal person instead of filtering everything through the lens of which sports team you argue with people about on the internet

>>715334171
Cope harder. Most people you discuss story with also engage in shipping.

>>715334089
>You posted four different scenes
From the same story.
The contradiction here is whether King met the Knight and was convinced by it directly or he just got it from Jevil, and if the strange knight and the strange someone are supposed to be different entities or not.

>>715334075
That's a KRIS scene, not a Krusie scene. Get laid already.

>>715333886
ship wars are the most uninteresting part of every fictional media discussion and i wish he didn't force it to be a part of deltarune
just make it krusie with no other ships teased or have suselle happen from the start if you want to fag it up, stop with the fucking will-they-won't-they engagement bait shit that ruins discussion

>>715332581
Holy kino

Nice to see that

>>715334238
>b-but muh POLL!!!
The only people worse than trannies in this fanbase are shipfags. Die slowly and painfully.

>>715332548
There's something you learn when you're a little kid, where you just know someone's sex, even if they're fictional characters. You must be underdeveloped.
I know you're trying some gotcha moment here saying that "if we ignore Susie's entire character design then would you recognize her as the same character or as a boy?".
That's the same as saying "How do you recognize Ralsei is a faggot and not a girl? Look at his behaviour! Definitely a girl!".
Your entire argument is that a guy that sleeps in the same room as his brother, has the pesky prank kid archetype, is very good at flirting (and can only flirt with female coded characters, lets be honest), is the main character (because girls aren't main characters), is in the role of the hero swordsman, is not a man because... hmmm because... I have no idea at all, it must be your fetish or something.

>>715333861
He also said the sweepstakes lore wasn't canon

>>715334319
Chatgpt is not retarded.

>>715334238
>reading comprehension

>>715334141
Noelle already wanted to go to the festival with Kris before that, i would say it's kinda like some fucked up trio

>>715334320
I'm going to shipfag even harder just because it makes you mad.

>>715333305
>Guess who's missing?
The person who isn't there right now? Tenna would probably remember Noelle, but Susie might not know that.

>>715334320
>no counterargument
Also, shipfags have the best knowledge of lore because they autistically pore over every scene searching for ammo for their ship of choice.

>>715334320
>waaaah an entire route dedicated to putting a ring on a girls finger SHIPPPPPFAAAAAAAGS

>>715334287
King never met The Knight. People reasoned that out in Chapter 2 when how Dark Worlds work was better established, all of the actions attributed to The Knight in Chapter 1 happened before they made the Dark Fountain, so the Dark World didn't exist yet and King was just acting based on his interpretation of The Knight's actions like Queen was.
>and if the strange knight and the strange someone are supposed to be different entities or not.
If they were the same person Seam wouldn't talk about them as if they were two different people acting at two different times.

>>715333886
>>715334141
At minimum Ralsei implies Kriselle shouldn't happen.
If you say you're going to the Festival with Noelle, he has 2 different responses (presumably Werid & Normal), both implying not to be alone with her:
>* N... Noelle?
>* Kris, I...
>* I think that's...
>* ...
>* A bad choice.
>* I mean, I'm sorry! A bad choice to, make alone.
>* Noelle, might want to go with Susie...
>* I hope you can... figure out a nice solution!

>* Noelle...?
>* Umm, I'm sure if Susie was with you, too...
>* Noelle would probably really appreciate it!
>* I'm sure the three of you would have a lot of fun!
>* Umm, if it's... the three of you.

>>715334407
Susie didn't know Toriel and Lancer were there either.
Also, she was talking to Ralsei about all her friends. not just referring to people in the vicinity.

>>715334323
>Your entire argument is that a guy that sleeps in the same room as his brother
common if there's only a parents room and a kids room
>has the pesky prank kid archetype
girls can have that too
>flirting
are you saying girls can't flirt? when the whole popular girl x nerd boy genre exists?
>role of the hero swordsman
utena revolutionary

>>715333230
Suselle would be good if it 1) wasn't complete dogshit and 2) mogged by every other ship. Toby is capable of writing good romance (KrisxSusie) but clearly didn't for Suselle since it isn't happening

>>715334467
Nah, he's right, it's the scene where she talks to Tenna, not Ralsei. Still, it's a cope, Susie does not considers Noelle her friend yet in chapter 4 and relies on Kris to get them invited over to her house.

>>715334075
Nigger, that's a Kris scene. It's not about the ship, it's about Kris being encouraged by his current best friends to finally stop being such an autistic twat and play the damn piano now that the plot literally demands him to do so in order to progress the Dark World.

>>715334374
Don't need an AI to know that Kris is a masculine character.

>>715334464
Yeah, but Ralsei is gay and wrong. The whole point is subverting the prophecy, not slaving yourself to it.

>>715334448
then explain
>* The remaining king put him and his strange son into power.

>>715334464
But is it to keep Kris and Noelle apart, or to keep (you) and Noelle apart?

>>715334529
right, yeah. I just remember that it was at the beginning of the chapter, and that Susie had a heart-to-heart with Ralsei around that time.

Reminder that only Kris can wear the princess ribbon gloves

>>715334298
The most explicit ship-bait moment in the game is the almost-kiss when Kris saves Susie from mini-Kris in Chapter 3, which is an extremely obscure easter egg within an easter egg after a secret boss. The romance stuff is only as forced as much as you care about it.
I don't know why anyone seriously thinks there's going to be one true pairing, it's like they've never played a game like this before.

I don't like how the game is getting more dramatic and depressing
I liked it more when it was fun whimsical adventure

>>715334646
>one ending

>>715334319
>>715334374
>see? the chatbot agrees with me
Jesus Christ can you guys get any more pathetic

>>715330561
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The sword route being its own thing is possible though

>>715332515
I just don't like how the fight doesn't really give you the spectacle it should have. 2 out of its 4 attacks (good job having less moves than King btw) are just you rubbing up against TItan Spawn.
It didn't have to be a hard fight, it just needed to be cool. but that's pretty tough with that small movepool, the black shard, and only needing to be at 50% HP for the fight to end. It doesn't even have a designated final move like most bosses do. The Titan just has everything going against it.

>>715330561
Kris thought the thorn ring was important enough to keep after explicitly removing it from Noelle after locking (you) under the sink

>>715334464
Ralsei's a deceitful nutjob straight out of a suicide cult. If anything, him saying that is a good sign to do it.

I still cant get over how tumblrfags wrote off snowgrave as an example of an abusive hetero relationship, and now theyre fighting tooth and nail to call it lesbian love

>>715334702
I like the direction it's going, but I can kind of see your worry.
Undertale only really got depressingly serious in New Home, right before the end. (plus a bit in Waterfall to contrast Snowdin)
We're only half way through Deltarune right now.

Though, I suspect (considering the festival) that we'll have a lot more chances for fun times in the near future.
Got to also remember that even with a clearly defined goal, the characters can have fun along the way. We saw that mostly in chapters 1 and 2.
I think we'll be fine. At the very least, Toby can't help himself but to put some nice levity and humor in between the emotional stuff.

There's ANOTHER confusing element in the Jevil/Seam/King/Knight thing btw
>THE BORING KINGS FOUND SUCH FUN TO BE A TROUBLE.
>AS PUNISHMENT, THEY CRAVED TO IMPRISON MY BODY.
Jevil claims the Kings (plural, meaning this happened before the three were locked away) were the ones who imprisoned him
But King and Seam himself say it was Seam
What the hell happened?

>>715334926
Smash, next question

>>715334868
I think this one was supposed to feel overly easy because we're going to be met with a fully grown Titan near the end.
it'll recycle attacks, and be a lot harder.

>>715334612
Former is definitely to keep (You) away. But the latter is a normal route response and he still implies she should go with Noelle. Probably cause he "knows" what happened in the Holiday House with Susie saying she'd go with Noelle.

It's kinda crazy how many responses that tree has. It's from him asking you to buy Susie and Ice Cream, which only happens if you choose to talk to him at the end of Chapter 3 instead of talking to Susie like he suggests. Then you get 3 options of "I'll tell her it's from me", "Of Course" and "I'm not going with Susie" followed by saying who you're going with, with Noelle then having two responses and the others being Ralsei, Berdly and Susie.
Ralsei:
>* K-Kris! Y-You know I can't go...
>* Umm, maybe I should ask Susie to get YOU an ice cream?
>* And, um... ride the ferris wheel with you for me...?
>* W-wait! Just... Make sure Susie has a good time!
>* Make sure she's not lonely... is all I'm asking.
Berdly
>* ...
>* Berdly?
>* ...
>* Umm, you don't have to repeat yourself so loudly, Kris.
>* I - you don't have to repeat yourself, Kris.
>* If, it's what you really want, Kris!
>* I'm sure Susie would be happy to see you, um, spread your wings...
Susie:
>* You mean... maybe...
>* You and Susie could just go to the Castle Town together?
>* And spend time with... all of us instead...?
>* Kris... That would be really sweet.
>* (Umm, I hope that's what you meant...)

>>715327754
its back in favor now because of the quirk chungus meme

>>715334919
>What the hell happened?
I think they just gave the orders to lock him down, and Seam followed through with it.
But I won't surprise if the plot starts to crack more and more, plus the other kings aren't even treated as characters, and the queens are nowhere to be seem (laptops do not count)

>>715334919
>King says Seam "tricked him away"
Maybe Seam told him it was an order from the Kings but it wasn't?

>>715334919
Jevil and Seam are both lunatics who probably gaslit themselves into the "the kings DEMANDED Seam to imprison Jevil", the twist is that we'll find out that Seam was the original receiver of the Shadow Crystal but let Jevil have it for shits and giggles because he knows he'd love that kind of mysterious, chaotic artifact, and he only held it long enough to pass it onto Jevil, which is why he "half-understands" the shit Jevil says.

>>715334919
Kings have the authority to delegate tasks and jevil says they wanted to imprison him. Both 'The kings wanting to imprison him' and 'Seam being the one to actually do it' are not mutually exclusive

>>715334601
That line doesn't really make sense in any context, because it's written "the remaining king (King) put him (The Knight) and his strange son (???) into power"
We can assume it's meant to be saying that The Knight put King and Lancer into power, since that's the actual situation in-game, but this happened before The Knight opened the Fountain, so it's describing actions that The Knight took in the Light World. The Knight still does not meet King, the Darkner, because the Dark World wasn't created yet.
It could also just be saying "King seized power" in an extremely awkward way and The Knight's involvement becomes purely incidental.

>>715334893
I kept joking that Krusie and Kriselle are technically more progressive ships than Suselle, and now it actually became true in the fandom at large.

>>715334732
>even a chatbot is smarter than you
Kekaroo!

>>715334893
I don't like that this image reminds me of my own relationship. Please delete it.

*brutally mogs everyone else in deltarune*

>>715335165
calling krusie a yuri ship fucks with people pretty bad too

>>715335163
It could be fixed by changing to:
>The remaining king (King) put himSELF and his strange son (Lancer) into power

>>715335192
Why was she cyan in the Dark World?

>>715334704
"only one ending" is just more evidence that none of the romantic teasing you can opt to play into or not matters
The end of the world is going to happen maybe as soon as tomorrow, nobody's going to be worried about kissing Susie

Snootsie

>>715335096
hot

Yurifags ruin a good thing by being annoyingly pushy and trying to force others to accept it. The hate is deserved.

>Knight shows up
>gives Jevil forbidden knowledge
>Jevil goes crazy and the three kings order Seam to lock him away
>but Seam said the three kings were locked away after the Knight showed up
>and Jevil was the one who told Spade King about the Knight
This would only make sense if Jevil told King everything from inside his cell, right? The timeline just doesn't add up otherwise

>>715334513
>utena revolutionary
You missed the point of it entirely. It's all about her being unable to fulfill the obviously male role of the hero swordsman, she lost to the cock and got put on her place.
No wonder so many lesbians and trannies like Utena, they literally don't understand the story.

>>715335165
Well, evilkrisp must be a straight male since he forced that innocent lesbian to kill all those people. and as we all know, Noelle would never ever ever enjoy doing that

>>715335346

>Susie decides to just open a fountain
>Queen is telling people you can just want something and stab the ground
>Knight opens up two fountains in church, and then a third fountain inside one of the existing fountain
Why not just immediately open another fountain as soon as they sealed the titan
It seems like its really easy to do

>>715334919
(The) King(s) ordered Seam to imprison him.
Seam says "I was forced to lock him away."
This isn't hard to follow.

>>715335389
Yeah, but Kris' pronouns became such a hot issue in the fanbase lately that you are no longer allowed to criticize they/them.

>>715335362
Seam said the three kings were "locked away" as in Jevil's definition of being imprisoned

BOOM. LORDby fox has spoken.

Toby told me Kris is a male, it's canon

>>715335464
>>715335401
>>715335342
they fuckin or what?

>>715335284
The world ending is exactly why kissing Susie is so important.

>>715335420
If Knight wanted to start the Roaring, she would've done that ages ago. Even Ralsei says as much in chapter 4. She needs fountains for something else, and Shit Squad are just there to clean them up after her and they do it for free