Thread 719938242

>Literally all (English) negative reviews are about the game being very difficult (Which is true)
>Team Cherry have no other way except patch the game to be piss easy like Hollow Knight
It's OVER. Another example of why you should NEVER, under no circumstances, listen to "fans".

>>719938242 (OP)
>will release DLC even harder
I love it when reddit cries.

>>719938242 (OP)
>getting upset about something you made up in your own head that hasnt even happened in your imagination yet

They won't nerf shit dude
This is what they originally intenteded hollow knight to be
They designed the game around 3 masks from the beginning. They only upped it to 5 as a last minute decision. Back then, it was probably the right move as the lessened difficulty probably helped it go mainstream, but now that they've made it they have no need to pull punches at all. You start with 5 masks but it may as well be 3 because every enemy that matters deals 2 pips right out of the gate. I just got my fourth mask shard, so I'm up to 6, but that still means I die in 3 hits from every boss lol. Only the fractured skull is able to act as a crutch, but even that isn't enough most of the time. Also, it's basically garunteed that by the time you have something like 8 masks, you'll be dealing with 3 pip damage enemies and bosses lol

>>719939568
This shit constantly happens, especially with indie devs. 2 trannies cry about the game being too difficult and then the devs completely fucking destroy the game. It's 100000% happening with Silksong

>>719939649
>They won't nerf shit dude even tho there is a colossal pressure on them to nerf it and their reputation as a company depends on it

Reinstalled Hollow Knight and yep, still fucking dogshit touch-damage with no way to know where to go or where you've been
>Just us the markers
Fuck you

Die 5 times to a boss learning the patters and always have to walk back with no money or heals THIS SURE IS FUCKING FUN

>>719939931
>their reputation as a company
Nigga they can't market their game do you think they give a fuck about balancing?
They already got their 500k sales, you won't hear from them for another 7 years

>>719939931
you are insane

>>719939934
imagine not having a sense of direction lmao

>>719940056
Walking into the wrong dead end is waking up across the map and losing all your money.

>>719938242 (OP)
If you beat the game after they patch the difficulty, you didn't actually beat the game.

>>719939931
You casual peasants truly overestimate yourselves

>>719938242 (OP)
Wanting every game to be hard to beat is toxic masculinity and low dick energy

>Literally all (English) negative reviews
Still (brown).

>>719940243
*small dick energy
sorry im yuropoor

>>719939931
Their reputation would be tarnished if they bend the knee
Literally get good at the game
It's that shrimple

>>719940110
when has it happened

>>719940463
sounds great

>>719940683
Lies of P from recent games. This has happened with basically every game that is remotely difficult

>>719940463
Im not even fighting anymore, just running by everything. Its pretty gay.

>>719939931
if you're so worried simply don't patch your game anon

Schizzy's unhinged.

They should at least increase your weapon damage.

>>719938242 (OP)
>Inflated HP and Damage values = Artificial difficulty
It they wanted to make a difficult game they could've put in actual effort

>>719941007
You can upgrade your weapon, doofus.

>>719941007
Your father should've increased his damage when he was beating you

>>719941023
Want to know the shocker? If they left in the 1 contact damage on vast majority of bosses and left the 2 damage on specials, the game would feel much more forgiving and fighting would actually feel like a smart use of resources. The enemy HP is fine as a variety of enemy types start becoming easier once you have upgrades. It just feels like the Devs just decided to make the first round of gameplay akin to that of NG+ (where you have all upgrades) and kind of forgot to put on the training wheels for the first half of the game. There's also the EHP problem with your upgrades, which would be easily solved once you... Lower the damage.

>>719938242 (OP)
Once you have sprint and reaper it instantly becomes superior to hollow knight

>>719939931
what fucking incentive is there to nerf anything
they already sold half a million copies
they'll take another 5 or 7 years to make another game if they decide to
there is no longterm benefit to making the game easier because no-one is gonna give a shit if and when they make something new

>>719939931
The game is really hard and has made me rage a bit, but come on are you really that much of a pussy?

>need more than 2 tries per boss
>too hard

>>719939931
>colossal pressure
>laughing while going to the bank

>>719941440
>what fucking incentive is there to nerf anything when 100% of negative reviews for your game are about the game being insanely hard

>>719939931
Dude they fucking told us and their Kickstarter backers nothing about this game for 5 years “their reputation as a company” they don’t care they’re Australian

The one thing I don't really understand is what's the point of giving the player 5 hp and then make bosses deal 2 dmg per hit. Its such a toxic design. The first HP up does nothing. You 3 hp heal is effectively 2 hp heal. Its like a masterclass in designing the worst possible scenario for the player.
Other than that the game is pretty fun.

>>719941236
>1 contact damage
Also, why the fuck are all enemy hurt boxes so fucking huge? I swear most of the time my sprite is near, but not touching and I still get hit.

>>719939931
>reputation
Nigger they made 50 million each on HK

>>719938242 (OP)
Lmao, the game is easier than Hollow knight. I just beat the "final boss" in 7 tries and i didnt even fully upgrade my nail and bought only 2 tools in the entire game because i refuse to grind currency and do boring sidequests.

>We love Hollow Knight because it didn't bend to modern practices and took the dev time it deserves
>We hate Hollow Knight because it doesn't bend to modern practices of being accessible to everyone, especially journalists
Sites outside of here should make up their mind

>casualoids seething
Yep, thanks team cherry.

>>719938242 (OP)
You fucking retards don't know the difference between a game being hard and being unfairly designed bullshit. Silksong isn't difficult, it's just a poorly made piece of shit. Anyone who feels proud of this game's "difficulty" is a certified autist.

>>719943837
Yeah the 5hp is an issue. Not only does it make the first hp upgrade useless but it also means you have to take 0 damage when doing the runback to the boss (and some of those are pretty fucked) or you risk getting 2-shot.

>>719943837
As long as you can land a hit you can heal, no?

>>719939931
you and other normalfags will consoom anyway because you're slaves to FOMO lmao

>>719944173
Difficulty is not accessibility
If you want to get to the ending that much then go watch it on youtube.

>>719938242 (OP)
Hype normies getting shit on with this game. I haven't even put many hours into it yet, Judge achievement only 4.9% of players.

I just know the last judge is going to filter so many of them, hes the first boss that is actually challenging in the game.

I'm pretty far along the game compared to most people, I beat the mechanic dancers and I'm doing a bunch of sidequests (specially a nail upgrade one) before searching for the main one.
The damage of enemies and obstacles is stupid enough, but the worst part is their health.
Why do I have to spend so much time fighting every single trash mob? There's a long corridor at the top part of the city where there's this row of big "violin" fighters, You basically have to run full speed and pogo on them to avoid them and go to the other side for exploration, otherwise you waste like 10 minutes fighting 3 of those enemies with ridiculous HP pools.
The HP is ridiculous in every enemy, but there are segments like that one I mentioned that make me feel the game wasn't playtested at all
Also I've thought they've made the HP pools like this because they intend you to spam the stupid tools, but all I've found feel so bad to use

>>719938242 (OP)
the only reason this game is hard in the first place is the idiotic outdated contact damage this is so stupid

>play up to the bird area
>"wow this is a nice up from the difficulty of HK while not being overwhelming. i bet people are enjoying this!"
>see reviews and shitters crying on /v/

>>719944704
The 2nd nail upgrade has zero hints, which annoys me. Its just "find these random ass ingredients, good luck". Were pretty much at the same spot, just beat the dancers but I'm done for the night.

>>719944704
Yup the HP pool is absurd. Trash mobs shouldn't be taking 5+ hits to kill every time. This game unironically reminds me of DS2. Team Cherry sniffed their own farts too much with difficulty and they ended up with this abomination of PREPARE TO LE DIE.

it is harder than HK but still very manageable if you're not a one-handed retard.

>>719944750
>not even past the initial areas
>WOW THIS ISN'T HARD AT ALL
Retard

ACQUIRE
APTITUDE
YOU
NIGGERS

>>719944897
people were complaining about those exact areas in the last thread
sorry you guys are bad

keep sobbing

>>719944750
kek the subreddit is melting down about the difficulty

>>719944781
if you talk to the butler he will tell you hints for each one. it's a bit annoying because you have to keep going back to him because he only gives hints for one at a time, and I personally haven't found any close elevator, I always have to take a huge trip to him from the bottom left elevator
first two are rather easy (although lots of people might have randomly skipped the 1st ingredient npc, it has to do with mossberry concoctions).
I have to look for the 3rd, I've been told I have to look for a "courier" to get some kind of bug meat. I have no idea who is the "courier"

>>719944867
Do you view video games as something to cross of a checklist? How do you rush through a game of this size, skipping 90% of content just to reach the ending?

>>719943837
>>719944573
Because they're making you collect 8 mask fragments instead of 4 to have your first meaningful health upgrade
It's still optimal to search for and pick up every fragment ASAP
Learn to math niggers

>>719944897
There are people on /v/ who genuinely died to the Masked Ant miniboss.

>>719945040
>How do you rush through a game of this size
Easily, unlike 99% of this board who get stuck on bosses I cleared first-try. Next.

>people play nothing but casualized AAA shit for nearly a decade
>surprised their skills degrade when they play a regular game
silksong is a gift

>having a reverse or flat difficulty curve
You niggers never played a tactics game or SotN?
Of course you haven't played SotN, you're retarded HK fans

Is it safe to free the thief guy from the first few zones?

>>719945070
>Because they're making you collect 8 mask fragments instead of 4 to have your first meaningful health upgrade
Nigger, because we know how to math we are calling this out as a bad design decision. Because yes, obviously you need 8 fucking fragments to get past the threshold, you know what it also means that your next 4 are again pointless, which means 12 fucking fragments equal 1 hp upgrade. Its insane that you are trying to defend this type of design.

>>719938242 (OP)
hollow knight was not very easy. stop the historical revisionism
i bet you deny the holocaust too you piece of shit

Has anyone hit those 25 targets in the ladybug minigame? Is there another tier afterward?

>dude you've never played SoTN???
lol everyone has unc
the game is baby tier btw

>>719945258
>hollow knight was not very easy
... if you are literally disabled

>>719939934
I love when idiots like you make posts like this one just to show everyone how stupid and bad at videogames you are...
If I was as dumb as you retards I wouldn't say shit. Like you couldn't pry this information out of me. I'd move on to an easier game for my simple mind and stay silent. But not you guys.

>>719939931
>>719938242 (OP)
Just going to point because a game is difficult doesn't mean it's good. Conversely the opposite is true, too. If the game has fundamental game play issues you're not going to fix that with a few tweaks. It's either fun to play or it isn't.

>>719945191
I didn't (I think the 1st time I found him he requires a simple key?) and he keeps showing up in following areas, so maybe I missed some content. No idea. I don't even remember where I first saw him.

>>719945386
Watch out for mr wanna be the guy
Kill yourself nigger

>>719945386
you didnt finish the game hell you probably only watch a youtube vidoe

>>719945417
The point is that if they make the game easier it would objectively make the game worse

>>719944867
the final boss is an absolute joke. The hardest boss is the gauntlet boss to obtain one of the melodies to open the path to the final boss.

>>719940790
Ever time I kill a boss and get nothing but map progress I consider uninstalling.

>>719939649
>fractured skull
Where's that at? I'm past Weaver and haven't found it yet.

>>719945209
Because trash jobber enemies do 1 damage so 1 health boost is actually applied here and can save your ass
If you want the same buffer/privilege against a boss you best be EXPLORAN you lazy nigger
You literally have never played a no health bar 1 shot game you fucking zoomer
Every complaint here is literally just base Hornets advice in vid rel
https://youtu.be/ZEI4-c9x1C4?si=KehVWYTiHht51ExR

>>719945550
He's at Medula. Just explore harder.

>>719945276
It has a reverse difficulty curve same as Silksong

>>719945586
yeah but you literally didnt finish the game so what do you know? literally nothing

>>719945593
Ok I don't think I've seen that yet. Only areas I've found I haven't checked out fully are the sandy area on the left and the Sinner's Road.
Also found an area with the Wardenbug that I killed but I couldn't find anything past it and left.

>>719945636
I can into math, game theory, difficulty and design
Which is a metric shit ton more than (you)

>>719945456
I just bought the game. I have only played it once, earlier today. So I have like 5 or 6 hours in it. It seems fine so far to me. Maybe a little harder than HK, but not by as much as people are acting like.

>>719938242 (OP)
>>Team Cherry have no other way except patch the game to be piss easy like Hollow Knight
can't they just make an easy mode where the main guy gets double HP or something

>>719945774
Just add sliders like every other collosally cucked game in existence
But if they're based, they will do nothing
Or alternatively, make the sliders only increase the difficulty

>>719945774
Games don't need difficulty levels unless they are for replayability (like in DMC or SoR4, etc.). If you can't beat a "hard" game, videogames aren't for you. Go watch a movie or read a book or something.

>>719945040
i don't know how much i skipped. i went to some locations and didn't feel like completing them. i know there's at least one place i didn't even find because i watched the trailer while writing the review. anyways, i want to at least complete the game if i buy it. i don't need to 100% it the first time i play through it. i can and will start a second playthrough later today.

>>719945949
i dont care about hollow knight im just responding to the "Team Cherry have no other way" comment

>>719939931
>3 guys that are almost billionairies now
>caring about it at all

Why the fuck does every fucking boss deal 2 damage?

>>719945990
Valid
100% is for NG+/2nd playthrough if no NG+/Loading your save before the final boss AFTER you beat the final boss

Fuck these healthmaxxing whiners who were filtered by based TC doubling the health upgrade crutch requirements

>>719946039
Yeah, I know. Your response was "can't they just add an easymode", which is what I'm replying too. Games don't need easymodes and Silksong is fine as is.

>>719946123
Because, from a gameplay and game design perspective, ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________GIT GUD

>>719938242 (OP)
I don't think the game is THAT difficult, especially once you could get rid of the godawful diagonal air attack, but the game is bizarrely punishing for some reason

>some enemies have attacks that can deal 2 dmg out of their asses
>checkpoints and fast travel points cost currencies
>the currency of which not all enemy drops
>the currency of which you will lose all of them if you die
>which you probably will a lot because of the unexpected 2 dmg attacks
>some areas straight up make drop down to the first town without warning

>>719939830
uhhuh

>>719946548
>some areas straight up make drop down to the first town without warning

Explain
Can't play till Tuesday myself

>think the difficulty is fine because healing is way easier
>get to citadel
>you have to pay beads every time you want to use a bench

It's a good thing normies are getting filtered before this. Absolutely Kino world building in its oppressive nature.

>>719946624
Some areas are laid out on top of each other, and in some places that are a big ass hole that make me think it leads to somewhere new, but jumping down of it just make you drop down to the first town.

>fourth chorus
>big-ass set-piece boss that's on the map and on the steam page and whoa what a cool dude
>complete joke, first try
>savage bloatfly
>a fat bug that summons fat bugs
>dozen tries and counting
What is this game.

>>719946624

It's a guy not looking at his map blindly jumping down holes anon. Ignore him.

>>719946724
Holy shit that's based because I love "fuck you" traps from devs

Ascending>>>descending
Silksong is therefore the better game

>>719946678
so there's a resource you have to pay for saving? based

>>719946548
>especially once you could get rid of the godawful diagonal air attack
Oh thank god.
I wouldn't mind if diagonal was an option, like a castlevania dive kick, but it being diagonal or bust fucking sucks. Feels like it's just to be different from Knight.

OP is the definition of making shit up to get mad about which is unfortunately common on /v/.

>>719945586
>If you want the same buffer/privilege against a boss you best be EXPLORAN you lazy nigger
Fuck off you double nigger, you know that trash mobs don't matter.
You literally have no counterpoint, you are just screaming git gud, just explore, when you can't explore more than the game lets you. There are no 12 masks in the first areas, which means over half the game you will be on a 3 hit timer in bossfights.
You simply can't get access to certain areas until you beat the bosses that allow you to progress.

>>719947067
>oh no I only can get hit 3 times
Go play some metal slug zoomer
3 lives/hits is standard
GIT GUD isn't a meme, it's a fucking professional prescription for your instant gratification disability

Do people not understand you have way more health than hollow knight in a safer way? You can legit heal through most boss fights without thinking.

Seriously, what is this shit?

>>719945417
A game can be good and fun and worth my money even if I never manage to beat it

>>719947324
Just save it for later, anon. Don't subject yourself through the torture.

>>719947324
boss slam kills bugs on ground and flying ones require tool use

>The fucking Last Judge finish.
That is just cheap, like literally fucking retarded. Why?

>>719947454
HE SUMMONS TWO AT A TIME NOW ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
What, does he have a second form too? Dies and summons the Savager Bloatfly?

>>719947454
Oh, it's one of those? Christ.
Do I at least get something good from killing it?

>>719947570
I don't know, I gave up after the third try. It definitely feels like a fight that I should tackle on yet because of the amount of bullshit the fight throws at you.

>>719947289
Shitters don't even bring healing items in modern monhun anon

>>719947570
no you get hard mode
it is a crest that makes platforming impossible

>>719947696
>reward for gittin gud is FUCK YOU
Can't wait to play this unironically

>>719947324
kinda easy compared to what awaits in the citadel

I'm fine with the game being more difficult than hollowknight with harder enemies and bosses, but the currency system i hear you guys describe sounds awful and I'm just not going to deal with that. Grinding in a single player adventure game is a retarded choice

They will nerf shit to make the game easier and all the shills coping that will never happen will pretend they never said anything about it to keep shilling the game as a perfect masterpiece

>>719947324
You could have more health.

>>719948057
Just don't die/die on a corpse run lol

>>719941440
They had half a million players at one time. Just on steam. They definitely already sold millions of copies across all platforms. And a significant majority of people are happy with the game as it is. So yeah, no real incentive to nerf anything.

>>719948057
>i hear you guys describe
Retard, play the game

>>719948193
Plus the 50 million dollerydoos each from HKs sales.
I believe there's an 80% chance they'll do nothing and I win
20% chance they bend the knee like cringe From

>>719948086
Unless there's somehow another five mask shards tucked away at that point in the game, it wouldn't make a difference.

i quit
last judge is a waste of my time
team cherry wins dont care anymore
fuck hollow knight

>>719945447
you just hit his door lmao

>>719947493
Slam can kill the flying ones too but the spike trap is very effective.

>>719948361
Well at least you tried
Sort of

>>719948361
Last Judge was the only difficult boss for me so far. Way easier when you imagine they're actually just the False Knight (Dream) without the annoying rock shit.

>>719948361
lmao

>>719948193
>>719948332
Delusional, they are already bending the knee to chinks because of the bad translation of the game. Stop acting retarded, they are still a company at the end of the day

>>719948506
>they are still a company
Not for long. I guarantee you'll never hear from them again.

>>719947227
Metal slug has hotboxes that aren't shit though. That's literally the problem

>>719938242 (OP)
just download pirate version and save iso until mods fix it

>>719948586
.lmao

>>719947227
Metal Slug is infinitely easier (and funnier to play) than Silksong since you attack from a distance.

>>719948361

>boss only has 3 attacks
>a 4th is added in the fire phase but you just jump over it
>gives up

You weren't cut out for this anyway anon.

>>719938242 (OP)
I think the devs forgot Hollow Knight was prinarily a kids game, and made Silksong for speedrunners and le gitgud crowd. I can't imagine a 12 year old (HK1 audience) enjoying this like the original

>They will nerf the game next week and after that retards on /v/ will scream "you dind't beat the game" after the new patch drops
Sounds exactly like any souls like shitshow, happened to Elden Ring and now is going to happen with SilkSong

>>719948662
But you're supposed to melee in metal slug, that's how you play for score. This is actually why metal slug, on the whole, is a kind of a subpar series. Once you get the 1cc down it kind of becomes pretty unfun to play.

>>719940751
Team Cherry won’t cave like them.

>>719948805
they will

>>719948743
I had a bad feeling that Godhome was going to poison the well.

>>719948785
Stop spamming Mahiro everywhere you're making me want to read the manga

>>719948827
Why would they?

if you are having a hard time just use the anti lava charm for the last judge
makes it kinda hard to easy baby mode

>>719948885
Because a lot of people are complaining about the difficulty and companies knows that catering to speedtrannies and tryhard fags and not your average joe is never a good a idea

>>719948981

Didn't even think of that and now I'm laughing even harder at the seethe for this boss. I found it easy, the pattern was super simple to play around if you were patient.

>>719948586
>>719948662
Your 1cc MS3 clears sisters

>>719948743
Games for kids used to be harder back in the NES days
it's good for them, current year easymode games turn kids into retards who give up too easily

>>719939931
The kind of money they're making they don't care, sorry.

>>719948743
I would've loved the shit outta SS at 12
42, only gotten worse at every genre except turn based

>>719940712
Just play Celeste in that case

>>719948989
They have 50 million each from HK alone retard
SS can bomb spectacularly for all they care
It won't

>>719949175
That's because rpgs are brain rot, not because of age.

>>719947227
Silksong is nowhere near Metal Slug tight design.

>>719948989
What about the years of radio silence with people begging, pissing and shitting themselves for a crumb of information made you think Team Cherry gives a singular fuck?

>>719949251
>>719949306
cope, they already bend the knee to fucking chinks because of the bad translation. If you really think they will just pump and dump like some scammers you are all braindead

>>719949267
Metal Slug is 20 minutes of consecutive set pieces and you can find far more elaborate and complex challenges in arcade games than that

Is the difficulty in this game well-designed though?

I'm screencapping all trannies in this thread saying they won't make the game easier btw

>>719949457
based

>>719949385
What's wrong with changing a poorly made translation?

i feel like some i-frames that were present in hollow knight are gone here in silksong. it's so easy to just get pushed into a corner and get your shit rocked.

>>719949498
>What's wrong with bending the knee to chinks?

>>719949457
They will pretend that they never said anything
>>719949498
What's wrong nerfing shit if a lot of people are complaining about the difficulty? lmao cope

>>719949524
This is almost as bad as Nine Sols (it had no iframes at all).

>>719949457
I just beat savage beastfly and if this is the boss making everyone shit themselves, you all need a different hobby. At best they reduce instances of mobs contact damage being 2 masks

>boss is staggered
>still deals contact damage
Come on

>>719949524
It's very easy to get three tapped from boss hit -> damage from touching the boss - > second boss swing -> dead.

>>719938242 (OP)
>Told anon Hollow Knight was garbage and not fun
>Nobody listened and fell for the memes of a game they never play
>Time proves you right and just enjoy the seething threads
Feels good

>>719949385
I don't think they'll pump and dump because they clearly believe in their game design and difficulty.
The true ending in HK is walled off by some bullshit platforming I struggled with but eventually got hud. Never once cried on /v/ about it.

They don't speak mandarin so how the fuck would they know if it was an accurate translation or not unless they got scammed by another company themselves

Unless chinks are being retarded
(Possible, even likely admittedly) they're just fixing a legit complaint if it makes no sense in the context of storytelling

Fucking screencap away when TC bends the knee to casual fags crying
They won't

>>719946859
>Feels like it's just to be different from Knight.
It's her dive from Hollow Knight

>>719949685
>wall of text of cope
Can't wait to see you in the screencap

Finally, Easy Mode.

i hope they stick to their guns on the difficulty. team cherry are all multi millionaires after this launch (if they werent already) and they could easily stick to a position of git gud you scrubs. they dont need to be worried about scaring customers away from a future release.

>>719949426
It does a pretty good job organically teaching you the bare minimum to progress, you can tell its heavily focus tested because they lock you in confined areas where there's things an average player might overlook, while still leaving room for optimisation via tools or mastering your movement by doing things like chaining your dash strike into a dive kick. (A lot of enemies try to distance themselves from you and you have a lot of ways to aggressively close that distance) This also adds a sense of slow and deliberate exploration versus just zipping through the levels ignoring everything once you've got the area mapped, which adds a natural feeling if progression instead of arbitrarily feeding the player upgrades every 10 minutes like a child's game because the level design can't hold their interest on its own. It's about as good as a nonlinear platformer where the player can traverse levels both backwards and forwards can be.

>>719938242 (OP)
The bosses are fine, i just don't understand why they wanted the normal enemies to deal more damage and gave them more health. That's not a good design decision and just annoying

I miss longnail so much.
I miss mark of pride even more.

>>719949745
Yeah, I know. Still.

>>719944867
I don't complain about game being not "very manageable". I complain about game not being fun to play.

>>719949745
Should have been command attack and not just replacement for a pogo.

>>719939982
>>719941440
>>719948193
How many copies do you think have been sold in total? I feel like 3-4 mil is a plausible area.

>>719949829
>the normal enemies to deal more damage and gave them more health
So when you first enter a map it's slow, and when you go back through it you just pogo off their heads and ignore them. There's a good reason the way currency works changed. Killing enemies usually doesn't give you anything worthwhile, they're purely obstacles.

Everyone is complaining about the fiddly input of the diagonal pogo so I wouldn't be surprised if they inflated its hitbox, but I don't really see why anything would be nerfed considering it's by design and not "I'm fighting the controls and not the boss" level shit

>>719949946
>and ignore them.
>Killing enemies usually doesn't give you anything worthwhile,
And that's a bad design decision to me. I actually want to explore and fight the enemies instead dodging everyone and just running past them

It's not hard

Only normies say that cause they got baited into buying it.

>>719949910
Are you their investor? Why retards here are so invested in financial success of games instead of discussing games themselves?

>>719949526
the localizer is also a chinaman

>>719949617
Contact damage is a plague to 2D games.

>the game may be shit, but it sold well!
Pathetic , but it happens with all fanbases

>>719938242 (OP)
Why did the jannies delete a bunch of threads, including the DOL thread, but leave up this crap spam?

>>719944510
HK as a franchise is for certified autists exclusively. Return the game faggot, it's not for you.

>>719949385
They are uncompromising in their vision. NFT and crypto scams really mindbroke people.

>>719950054
>And that's a bad design decision to me
It's exactly how dark souls works, which is clearly a huge inspiration for both games, and dark souls itself is inspired by old dungeon crawlers, which also fundamentally work like that. It's just objectively good and timeless game design.

>>719949763
>can't refute
>can only gamble on a future 50/50 at best in xis favour
Sasuga low information poster

How much am I losing if I don't play the first game before trying this one?

>>719950072
Sunk cost
Stockholm syndrome
which doesn't apply to SS

i don't know, feels like /v/ is the only place still a bit obsessed with this game, the internet literally flushed the game in like 2 days

>>719950204
You are missing out on playing a good game

>>719950072
No I just have number autism. I saw those two anons shoot out the half a million number because of the max steam playerbase and it got my nogging jogging about what is the usual ratio of max current players against total copies sold (hotly post launch). I know plenty of people shitpost about sales numbers to shitfling, but I am just curious how you guys would questimate the numbers.

>>719950237
You're really chomping at the bit to go back to spamming 300 rpg threads every day and doing nothing but replying to yourself

>>719950158
>which is clearly a huge inspiration for both games
To be fair I'm just comparing it to just HK where i liked th system more with the needle upgrades. Where enemies from early areas died from 1-2 hits when you got the upgrades

>>719941078
By the time the game's over sure
Then you can enjoy tiny enemies that take 10 hits to kill.... still taking 10 hits since the improvement is barely noticable

>>719950251
Based /biz/raeli

>>719950162
>low information poster
>says the guy coping when they factually just bend the knee, to fucking chinks even
>already scared of his odds because he knows he is going to lose
KEEEEEEEEEK

>>719950158
You never played old dungeon crawlers. Fucking King's Field didn't work that way even and neither did Wizardry.

>>719950298
Once you get the movement down in silksong you can fly through areas so fast it doesn't matter. You can move like 5 times faster than hollow knight and it feels good.

>>719950054
You either want to grind or you want to explore. Meticulously clearing the same level 1 section for the 30th time can't be doing anything to sate your curiosity.

>>719950158
>It's exactly how dark souls works
You always gets souls from enemies though, if not an item as well. If anything, unless you're just doing a runback to the boss, you're encouraged to kill everything in sight. Even more so if you're back in an early area since you'll be more leveled up and everything dies in one hit. The only situation in the souls games I avoid enemies is if I'm about to die and just want to get the fuck out of there.

>>719950326
>Fucking King's Field didn't work that way even and neither did Wizardry.
What are you talking about? Wizardry is about mapping levels to find the safest route through a floor and shortcuts as you go deeper and deeper. The whole elevator shortcut thing in dark souls is straight out of proving grounds. Why is everyone obsessed with rpgs a retarded poseur? This genre should be permanently banned from this board, it would improve 100x over immediately.

>>719944978
IIRC, the courier is part of a quest you do from the mission board in in Bellhart. It involves tracking down a missing courier all the way from the west exit of Shellwood that leads into the upper area of Bone Bottom, maybe its that courier? Check if hes in Bellhart if you did that side quest.

>>719950323
>devs fixing an outsourced mistake is the same as bending the knee to casuls
Yep low info AND still can't refute
Also, if I was a bookie I would give you 20-1 (5% because your retarded and I feel sorry for you)

>>719950308
Well I just went with the idea that max 25% played all at once and threw in another million for the consoles. And another million because maybe I underestimated the console playerbase numbers or 25% simultaneous players was a too large of an estimate. I swear I am not doing this to bait, but seeing those two say 500k total sales triggered my autism.

>>719949823
>This also adds a sense of slow and deliberate exploration versus just zipping through the levels ignoring everything once you've got the area mapped.
It's the complete opposite. Because shit takes a year to kill, you just jump or avoid combat as much as possible to get to where you're going. This will eventually even out in late-game, but a lot of your entire playthrough will be condensed into the following:
>Tools and traps you'd rather use on boss needed for fishing the retarded aerial bugs out of the sky.
>Skipping entire packs or specifically placed enemies in favour of getting where you need to be.
>Boss runs can span entire levels due to benches being stingy and worse: pay-per-use fee on some parts of Act 2 start.
It's a slog and the overall pacing is all over the place.

>>719950439
>You always gets souls from enemies though
If you don't play souls games badly souls become effectively worthless because the weight of your accelerated progression outweighs the any reward popcorn enemies might offer. You only clear popcorn to more safely and thoroughly explore levels, which is how Silksong works.

I am surprised how much harder it is than the first game. It's as hard as if the first game had a hard mode and not just a meme permadeath mode.

>>719950497
>still with massive amount of cope
>muh "refute" when all you can do is mental gymnastics to justify the devs already bending their knee to fucking CHINKS of all people KEEEEK
Again, can't wait to see you in the screencap retard

>>719950509
I understand
Kinda wanna see an "x million sold" announcement soon to shut the shazam trannies up
Player counts are a faggot metric for a finite single player game with no microtransactions and a 1 off purchase price

>>719950568
Silksong feels like playing the last few HK areas with an unupgraded character.

Still not playing your visually unappealing flash game.

>>719950741
This, is like they forgot to put a bunch of upgrades in the game

>>719950706
Yep, see (you) in a month
And 12 months later
And 7 years later when The Mighty Zote drops and is even harder than SS
And you still won't have a single argument then, either

>>719939649
>This is what they originally intenteded hollow knight to be
This.

It's like people are forgetting pantheons and why path of pain was made the way it was. At least with silksong people can't complain about the lack of challenge (the few percent of "lol too easy" tryhards aside).

>>719939931
>reputation
Kek. I guarantee TC couldn't give two fucks about people having trouble with the difficulty.

>>719947324
Yeah I fought him with just as little upgrades, managed to get him after like 10 tries, hes a shit boss because its very RNG dependent on the type of enemies he spawns, the fat flying ones that do the aoe attack are a pain in the ass with him, but you can down strike them to the ground, then his slam kills them in 1 hit. Lucky spawns are when he summons the ground ones. Try not to drag the fight out and kill him ASAP, because if it drags out you will just get overwhelmed with enemy spawns.
>>719947570
You get the beast crest which could have been okay if it didn't have the shitteest down strike imaginable, making it totally useless, reaper crest is far superior at that point in the game.

Still, the last judge is way harder than him, so you may as well practice and git gud. Basically everything until the citadel is easy in comparison, but I would say hes the toughest pre-citadel boss just because of the sheer RNG bullshit.

>>719950793
>pantheons
>path of pain
Optional.

>>719950787
>he wont let go of his cope
Incredible how the first comment who started everything still fits you perfectly >>719940110
>And you still won't have a single argument then, either
I don't respond to your mental gymnastics when the devs already factually already bend their knee to fucking CHINKS of all people, keep crying. See you in the screencap very soon fag

>>719950862
i dont understand how /v/ can be so retarded and bad at games. i just hit him over and over and ignored everything. you have such insane movement you can step out of a bad situation at any time.

>>719950862
Wanderer crest is obviously the best one since needle strikes all do the same damage and Wanderer has the fastest attack speed by far.

>>719950787
>89 tabs open
Nigger stop masturbating

>>719950908
>dbz fag
South American

>>719944867
Holy shit nigga, you must've skipped almost everything

Christ why does every area need to have a 20 mob gauntlet. holy moly

Oh it's a lot harder than HK?
Good that I didn't buy it yet.
Hollow Knight has good amount of challenge for masochists while the main game has good balance for an average gamer.

>>719950892
Optional content that was made in response to people wanting more challenge from the game.

>>719947324
Get the wanderer crest (has the OG down attack pogo) and fucking pogo jump his ass to DEATH!!!!

Ez

>>719951005
>posting a coping picture means you are a fan of that show and that also means you are from that region
That's the best you have to justify your cope? LMAO

>>719939931
people who post like retarded wannabe image management consultant otakus need to be permabanned on sight

It's "hard" in all the wrong reasons. Your able to be hit multiple times very easily and quickly, you nearly always take 2 damage so can only take 3 hits at most during most miniboss and boss fights. You are forced to stand still to heal (with different optional ways to heal later) and enemies can and will charge and attack you or throw long range shit. Forces you to be passive with skills because they consume the same resource; the throwing weapons are good though. And so on.

It's not "challenging" it's annoying. I'd rather have 4 HP and be able to take 2 2 hits or 4 1 hits. Would just make the flow of the game so much more enjoyable.

>posting a coping picture means you are a fan of that show and that also means you are from that region
Could've just said "Yes" if you want to 100% confirm it, which you did

its weird how the new concern trolling went from
>SJWs are ruining games
to
>I need companies to ruin games you like because they aren't dumbed down enough for me to play yet

>>719938242 (OP)
If I'm being honest the only real part that has felt like a true filter for me so far is Hunter's March, but I'm still really early game and that area is optional anyway. For whatever reason I do way better with the pogo platforming when I'm on my pc as opposed to playing docked with the steam deck on the TV. It's weird.

This scares the zoomer and casul

>>719939568
It happened with dark souls 2.

I dismissed anons saying a lot of people never played HK and just jumped on the bandwagon. I think I've been proven wrong, what kind of fucking troglodyte complains about the difficulty after the autism that was godhome.

>>719941236
>hit regular enemy with 3 weaver skills
>still standing

So far I don't really mind any fights other than savage beastfly, ass cancer rng fight that shouldn't exist, but the time it takes to run from a bench to a fight is an inexcusable shit. It adds absolutely nothing to the experience, it just wastes your time. And you can't really patch it.

Just running around the map feels like i'm doing path of pain

>>719951242
This. I know I'm probably just a shitter but this makes the savage beastfly in hunter's march so annoying because of the retarded RNG spawns.

So how is the game length in comparison to Hollow Knight?

>>719951257
>too afraid to direct quote, but still can't let go
>needs to copy my reaction pic
>needs to create a boogieman to justify his cope
kek

shazamniggers being shit at games will always be funny

>>719951372
if the travel time between boss tries was immediate and lacking obstacles, what would the downside of losing to bosses be?

>>719950948
what is the red thing you have? I don't have that!

>>719951423
That you can't advance?

>>719951423
>what would the downside of losing to bosses be?
Having to start the fight from scratch, like 99% of games ever made.

>>719946624
When you get to the 'town' there is a hole that just drops you down through the entire area you went through for no reason.
Later there is a gap over top of the town you can pogo across, if you fall you have an entire zone worth of hiking. This part has an elevator if you went down the right side instead of trying to jump across left.

Toxotransmosis moment

>>719951372
you could have just said you’re a filtered little shitter bitch

Silksong is literally dark souls of current year, holy shit normalcattle are bad at video games

>>719946735
You don't have a map the first time and you might not have bought one for the second time.

>>719951479
i accept your concession

>>719951423
>what would the downside of losing to bosses be?
That you lose? Fucking retarded subhuman.

>>719951351
Nobody but tranny masochists played godhome to completion
Base HK wasn't a hard game at all, in fact it was on the easier side of the genre and the main focus was on exploration, not action

>>719951532
you did lose and now you’re being punished for not being good at the game

>Its another boss that does two contact damage with adds
No wonder it took seven years to make. Holy shit Dark Souls syndrome all over again

How is everyone having such trouble with the savage beastfly. If you use the wanderer crest u can just down attack pogo spam his ass almost literally endlessly

>>719951351
I just beat the normal game and the radiance boss retard, i don't even know wtf is godhome

>>719951242
That’s the dumbest critique I read all day. Not a single boss cancels their combo to hit you when you are healing. All bosses commit to their moves and have reliable cooldowns after each move in each of their phases. You can even heal while in the air for way more save openings. Silkmoves are a reward to letting you burn down bosses faster if you are good enough not to need your heals (or as silver bullets like the silk aoe against multiple flying fuckers). And there’s not even that many bosses doing double mask damage to begin with.

>>719945520
Yes but... Don't you want shard bundles and rosaries? Have one more shard bundle hidden behind a secret door...

All the bosses dealing 2 damage is retarded. So many of these fights are so much harder than they feel like they should be just because of this. It feels like a fucking bug.

>>719951351
>what kind of fucking troglodyte complains about the difficulty after the autism that was godhome.
Godhome was the insane weirdo hard mode shit for people who really, really, really like the boss fights in that game. It shouldn't be the baseline. And it's not, don't get me wrong, but if that's a conversation we're having at all then something's gone wrong.

>I love metroidvanias, exploring the levels and finding cool upgrades, the hollowknight series looks so cool, look at those cute bugs! and their funny voices!
>actually you are not skilled enough to play this game. if you can't beat Gil in sf3 with one credit this is not the game for you

>OH HO HO HO
HOLY SEXO
SEX WITH LACE
SEEEEEEX

>>719951597
Because you see it long before you learn what crest even is.

>>719951569
>he doesn't delete his save file every time he dies
fucking casual get off /v/

>>719951423
The game already has the following:
>Your cocoon gets dropped at the boss and you have to retrieve it (usually locking you into another try in the process) or then use a rare item to retrieve it.
>Each attempt where you use your tools will dig into your shell inventory.
>Runbacks.
It's not just that you're losing progress. You're also losing progress, risking all the beads you didn't make into rosaries and you're in a constant attrition war, unless you're planning to fight all bosses with Nail and Weaver arts only.

>>719951612
casual normalcattlegroid moment

>>719951708
...There's steel soul mode for this y'know.

It feels like more of a boss rush than the first game. If it's not a boss, it's another both doors locked arena of the the most annoying enemies you fought in the area.

>>719951709
You can retrieve it and log out.

I for one think this game is really good

>>719951686
That’s almost certainly bullshit. Reaper is on the critical path, logically that’s the first one people will run into.

>>719951708
no why would I do that? is this another cope for you being absolute shit at games?

>>719951730
>casual normalcattlegroid moment
That's playing ths game in the first place.

>>719951469
>like 99% of games ever made.
But real games do work like that. Like when you're 1cc'ing a shmup if you get dinged by a single bullet in stage 1 or 2 your whole run is ruined, even though those stages are piss easy, and as the difficulty increases in each stage eventually you're in stage 5 and your heart is literally pounding as you're like
>oh god hope i dont have to do all this shit all over again
Like its not a big deal to just clear stage 5 in training mode, stringing it all together is what's exciting. In silksong its more like a 20 second light jog, its an extremely mild version of that.

>>719951770
Savage fly is before Reaper.

>>719951785
shitter cope lmfao

>>719938242 (OP)
git gud scrubs

>>719951785
yet youre crying about the difficulty lmfao :DD

>>719951772
why wouldn't you
how the fuck do you "respawn" that is fake baby shit
if you die you should have to start over and get good

>>719951681
Lace is a pompous brat
Hornet is a polite and proper lady
the choice is obvious

>>719951770
You can find the beastfly fight long before getting into greymoor. The rest of the location isn't hard, you can just walk in there and explore it.

>>719951845
because I’m not shit at the game like you

>>719951730
>muh virtual achievement made for retarded people with autism
Don't care, i beat the game. Touch grass tranny

>pay for bonfires (free in dark souls)
>pay for fast travel stations (free in dark souls)
>pay for maps (free in dark souls)
>pay for the privilage of just looking at the wares of some shopkeepers (every single time) (free in dark souls)
>later on find out that some benches are pay per use (every single time) (free in dark souls)
>also make this currency drop only by a few enemies (all enemies drop souls in dark souls)

my biggest complaint about hollow knight by far was that the game was way too easy outside of some specific spots. silksong is literally perfect in that regard, i dont know how big of a shitter you have to be to complain about the difficulty. first time playing a 2d action game?

>>719951585
>Dark Souls syndrome all over again
I bet new metroidvanias will be even harder after seeing Silksong's success. Dead genre.

>>719951490
Its not hard. It's just plagued by bad game design which is what makes it 'feel' hard.

Replacing the downward strike with an inferior 45° angle dashing attack only to add the original attack behind a 500 analbead pricewall was certainly a choice. Or having double damage take effect by the 3rd area for everything including the environment. Or having more enemies in tight spaces. Or spamming enemies during bosses. Spamming attacks. Or literal input reading especially on flying enemies.

I loved HK but this? This shit stinks. Im about ready to quit. The more I hear about later areas the more cancerous it sounds like it's going to get.

>>719951709

You can just retrieve your cocoon then quit to title screen if you need them back.

>>719951597

The Wanderer crest is locked behind a 500 rosary key that unlocks a door that you need some parkour to even find. Alot of people will not find it until they come back around to Wyrmway from the top.

>>719951827
>>719951841
I didn't even play the game, retard.
I will not even pirate Hollow Slop and I will most definitively not even pirate Hollow Slop FEMALE protaoonist edition.

>>719951908
>it's not hard
>proceeds to write a novel about how big of a shitter he is
Is this satire lmao

>>719951892
if it doesn’t matter than why are you having a meltdown you can’t achieve it?
>touch grass
reddit tranny

>>719951903
you can break the door in that one guy's shop so it doesn't close

>>719951882
No chance most people make it past the big red fucker and the ant gauntlet before getting to Greymore.

>>719951825
>1cc'ing a shmup
Sorry but since I'm not an autistic transsexual I can't even process why would anyone waste a finite time of their life on that. Primitive genre that ceased to be actual decades ago.

I've no problem with the difficulty; it took some adjusting to but it's fine now. That said, there is no reason why there isn't an easy mode where there are no 2 mask attacks (aside from some of the latter bosses like in HK).

>>719939934
>>Just us the markers
It's simply a reminder to return to a dead end you can't presently explore. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

>>719951765
>Log out.
You mean: Quit Game. Sure, but it isn't exactly the most stellar solution to the system, but they could have done any of the following.
>Spawn the cocoon outside the boss area for retrieval, if you're not willing to try again.
>Make retrieval items less rare or have it made into a service like it was in the first game.
>Place benches closer to the boss, so you're not constantly jeopardizing deaths while practicing bosses.

Anyone else miss the customization that charms bring? I have just beaten widow and my character is still basically the same. Sure I have 1 extra mask and I use the reaper moveset but thats it. I feel like back in HK I would have unlocked so much more playstyle variety with charms at this point in the game.

>>719951915
>quit to title screen
This is Diablo 2's retardation all over again.

>>719951918
>akshully I didn’t even play it
ok shitter stay filtered lmfooo

I just hate the shift from an exploration game to an action one, it barely feels like a metroidvania anymore and the characters progression is anecdotal
It feels like playing an open world Ghouls 'n Ghosts, nothing wrong if you like it but what I liked in HK was the atmosphere, comfy exploration, not banging my head against a wall

>>719951976
>i can't process playing a video game
Yes, I'm well aware of that.

>>719951994
Silksong seems to be more focused on being a pure action game than a metroidvania.

If you need proof that a lot of normgroid /v/irgins jumped on the Silksong bandwagon then try to imagine the last time people demanded a game was easier/had an easy mode lmao
How the turn tables you fucking retarded mongoloids

>>719951970
>big red fucker
He becomes completely trivial once you get the dash upgrade next door.

>>719952034
every hollow knight dlc not being worth playing was a hint there

>>719951976
this casualnigger play movie slop walking simulators

>>719951967
>retard still seething
touch grass

>>719952034
>>719952063
This is true and I hate it.

>>719952034
the elden ringification of souls games have been a disaster for the human race

>>719951904
>every single games need to be difficult 100% of the time
I hate your kind

>tranimal
rope neck

>>719952019
>Playing female protagonist quirkyslop
Tranny

>>719952143
the industry still largely caters to your movie game tastes so why are you seething

>>719952096
It wasn't really a problem until Godhome. Then they got in their head that this is a hardcore action game with brutally difficult boss fights, and they carried that mindset into Silksong.

>>719951709
I wonder why they did that shit with the cocoon instead of hard coding it to be close enough for you to get before triggering the boss. I swear the first game made sure you could always get it before triggering the boss, or at least bait it over to fly toward you.

really fuck the forum gauntlet with their fucking unending waves of flying fuckers

>>719951961
>no u
damn u showed me, lil bro

>>719952085
The red ant gauntlet isn’t.

>>719951904

I genuinely don't know what people are smoking.
I'm pretty bad at video games and i've found the difficulty perfect so far. Widow gave me some real trouble but I eventually figured it out.
People whining about "le two damage" but don't realise the game is actually operating on a traditiomnal three-hit system, then also not using any of the ranged or defensive tools the game throws at you.

My only real complaint is that corpse running is sort of lame and overplayed at this point, and i'd rather some sort of basic life system was built in to give you the occasional freebie death if you've been doing well for a while.
In a game about exploration this would make taking strange routes or hitting challenge rooms a bit smoother.

>>719952143
Fucking Super Mario Bros 1 has a more punishing fail state than Silksong you absolute shitter

>>719952054
>shmup
>video game
I understand that it counted as a video game in the previous century, since it was all the hardware could handle, but today this concept looks more like a first ever training project of a person studying basics of game development, not a video game. The core concept is so primitive, even a little child will get bored of it in 10 minutes. It takes special cases of low-functioning autism to be into that shit of all imaginable video games that exist today.

>>719952193
>instead of hard coding it to be close enough for you to get before triggering the boss
Please understand, they only had a decade to work on this game.

>>719952151
>muhammad is mad about animals again
seethe

>>719952218
I don't really mind the 2 damage but needing to hit something 10 times to kill it is exhausting.

>>719952173
>casual filtered shittergroid cope
seethe

>give boss 1-2 moves
>everything deals 2 damage, even grazing their hitbox
>spawn adds periodically
>bench is 2km of backtracking to the boss
>drop absolutely nothing on defeat(you just get a new area)
Genuinely just feels sad playing this game, like the developers specifically don't want you to have fun.

>>719952269
use your tools and silk attacks

Dude, why is every flying enemy a tank? They're all primal wasps on steroids. For some reason TC made them tankier than ground enemies. What's the reasoning?

>>719952218
If it's operating on a three hit system, then give us 3 fucking masks instead of 5 and a useless 6th mask that doesn't do anything.

>>719952247
>tranimal*

>>719938242 (OP)
It's so far easier than Hollow Knight.

If they do something like that, they should make it an optional trinket that buffs Hornet to the point the game gets significantly easier but also locks you into some marginally comedic ending variant.

>>719952297
meant to say primal aspid

>>719952281
I'm having fun, maybe you're not the target audience

>>719952324
seethe muhammad

>>719938242 (OP)
>she didn't beat before nerfs
You didn't beat the game.

>>719952281
based devs wanting normalcattle to not have fun

>>719952293
>use silk
>no silk because you're forced to use everything to heal instead of the old 1 mask heal for 1/3rd of the soul reserve
>silk attacks also uses 50% of it instead of 33%

>>719952372
maybe you should stop getting hit

Hollow Knight 1 was just a better game

The second silk attack seems like pure trash. Am I missing something because how the hell does this do damage to the extremely agile, evasive, multi-attack enemies in the game? This was also one of her most easily avoided attacks in the first game so maybe it's just shit for consistency.

>>719952403
because it was easier and didn’t filter your casual normgroid ass

>>719952327
>It's so far easier than Hollow Knight.
Bait used to be believable.

>>719952236
>person studying basics of game development
But the reason I'm drawing all these parallels between dark souls and dungeon crawlers and shmups and so on is because these are all very core fundamental features of video games, and a lot of the crap you guys "play" is just interactive experiences well removed from what an actual game is. Like you don't like video games, you're looking for fulfillment from games that you'd better find elsewhere. You shouldn't even be here. You either forgot what games are really about or you never really played an actual one. Silksong is a very casual game, any idiot can play this, and even this toothpick sized hurdle is too monumental. So from my perspective there's no way we can coexist.

>>719952297
and if you hit them too quickly they fly too high and trigger their attack, so you have to do this silly waiting for them to come low enough to be hit... repeat 4-5 times. Also every single area have the same "flying warrior" and "flying thrower" archetypes
so much fun... this game is making me want to replay hollow knight, I want to check if I'm crazy or not. I really don't remember HK being this annoying nor being so repetitive with mobs in every area

>>719940056
I have zero sense of direction and this comment deeply hurt my feelings. It's not left to make fun of someone's weaknesses.

>>719952453
mad

>>719952423
It's useable in a variety of states and angles where some enemies can't reach, being situationally useful on some bosses or clearing larger amounts of enemies. It's also universally good on all gank fights.

>>719938242 (OP)
How is it hard? Because a boss takes more than a few tries to learn its patterns?

The problem is with modern gamers with no fucking gumption to learn and overcome something.

so are they nerfing the game or not

im downloading mods right now

>>719952478
because bad

>>719952508
why are you so angry?

>>719952498
What mods?

>>719952236
movieslopper moment

>>719947324
A gauntlet of very regular, easy to defeat enemies.

Glad IGA getting us Bloodstained of Ruin next year, fuck 2d soulslop can't wait to play proper metroidvania for once since Afterimage.

>>719952281
Yeah the lack of upgrades is really sucking the dopamine out. You unlock new areas, but it doesn't feel like your character gets any stronger through the course of it. At the end you might even be asking why the fuck do you even bother exploring those hidden nooks and crannies, when there is never anything meaningful to find. Might as well just beeline straight ahead.

>>719952372
so don't get hit constantly? the better you do, the more damage you deal

>>719952527
>no u
do seething filteredfags really?

>>719952403
Yeah i also prefer the first game, the progression felt a lot more consistent

>>719950948
And in this clip you didn't down air at all. It would be even easier to just bounce on a few of them until they die. people are just bad at games these days, too much hand holding.

The absolute cope of seething niggercattle is amazing to witness

>>719952595
>because it was easier for casuals
translated for non shitters

>>719938242 (OP)
thank god I'm not in a hurry so I'll wait few months to play it once it's properly released and patched

>>719952575
>seething
>says the guy who went ape shit on a comment that just said that the first game was better
why are you so angry all the time?

>>719952562
Seems like they put a lot of focus on the tools/throwables system while developing, but they feel like shit to use.

>>719951457
The lava charm or the boomerang?

>>719952623

Feels like i'm surrounded by genuine morons.

I don't think it's ever been THIS bad. The game is genuinely just a normal fucking difficulty like a real game, THIS IS JUST WHAT A REAL GAME IS.

>>719952403
It was so easy for them. Just make a bigger game with some new moves and thats it. But noooooo we have to double down on this hard game meme and ruin EVERYTHING. I genuinely am not enjoying this compared to the original. There are some nice new things and changes but the rest is a straight downgrade. Huge disappointment and im sure in a week or 2 when the sheeple finally hit their 4th hour in game theyll also come to this conclusion and the playercount will plummet.

Im gonna try slamming against my current walls a bit more but im pretty much done and ready to give TC another year to fix this dumpsterfire and if they never do then so be it.

>>719952462
>You either forgot what games are really about
It's certainly not for autistic transsexuals huffing their own farts to define.
>So from my perspective there's no way we can coexist
Well, feel free to join the 41% then bro.

>>719952654
filtered casual kek

>>719938242 (OP)
they had 7 years to playtest it on fresh players, so there is no excuse for what came out

this fight is really fun, fair but you have to dodge their dance which is like a dance.

>>719952562
>Vast majority of early-game charms and available items are related to gaming the in-game economy.
>The interesting ones usually require tons and tons of progression or side pathing with expensive items (Simple Keys etc...), while the game feels balanced in most zones being more tolerable with tons and tons more Tool and Nail upgrades.
It's fucking unreal. I can technically understand having a curve where you place occasionally difficult zones sprinkled around the easier ones, but the vast majority of everything all the way to Act 2 and most of early-to-mid Act II barely sees any rise in player power.

>>719952656
>limited ammo that only refills when you reseting enemies
I wonder why. Fucking hated that in Nioh.

>MUH BALANCING CURVE
cope

>>719952692
also this game feels less memorable. Like I'm seeing a lot of different NPC houses and very specific merchants, but if I want to check back on them I straight up can't remember them. I also binged Hollow Knight when I first played it and I feel like it was easier to remember the map, everything felt more memorable and handcrafted
I'm really disliking the map design in this one but I can't really explain why. It feels so much worse.

>>719952702
>really angry for some reason
Okay it feels like i'm talking to some kind of monkey here, is better for me to stop

>>719952802
>I can't really explain why
i can, you're a shitter

>>719952679
REAL GAMES ARE PRIMITIVE CHUD

>>719952397
>>719952571
If you dont get hit you have no need to use silk attacks. The way I see things is that these burst high damage spells are something you pull out with the mentality "I need to kill this nigger before he kills me", but if you are good enough to not get hit this is moot. At that point you are just expediting your victory. Useful for a speedrunner, meaningless for the regular player.

>>719952643
Not gonna happen. Might as well install cheat engine right now.

>>719952679
Real, i think people have just lost their brains and fingers to "press x to win" games and mobile games.
Insert rant about industry releasing too much slop here.

what is the purpose of difficulty in a solo game?

>>719952810
that’s right run away like you do from any type of difficulty like a filtered bitch

>>719952843

It's obviously a balance between the two, not an either or.

I'm going to take a guess and say about 80% of whining players don't even realise you can heal mid-air. I would bet money on it.

Fucking here (you) go shitters
https://www.dualshockers.com/games-best-played-on-easiest-difficulty/

This should keep you busy for awhile and stop shitting up vee with your faggotry

>>719952840
>I don't find myself connecting with the world nor the characters in it
>hurrdurr you must be bad
I'm in the middle of act 2, now getting the 4th ingredient for the oil quest. Where are you anon?

>>719952843
the original post >>719952269 complained about fights taking too long, they don't take too long if you don't get hit and use your silk skills
concession accepted, get better at video games

>>719952871
Anon are you mentally challenged?

>>719952871
To cause arguments on /v/

>>719952843
ok shitter
didn’t read btw

When the fuck do you get a damage upgrade or something? I’ve just started running past everything I can because every basic enemy takes between 4 to 10+ hits to kill and they’re not worth the time for whatever they might drop. Feels specifically designed to waste your time

>>719952863
cope, ty for playtesting for me. I'm glad I'm no cattle and think I need to play on release

>sharpened the needle
>most enemies still take exactly the same amount to hits to kill
I feel scammed.

>>719952692
>>719952802
I agree, it almost like they lost their touch in the middle of the development. I wonder if that's the reason the game took so long to come out

>>719952917
Cheeky cunts

>>719952871
>this is the modern gaymer
total zoomer death

>>719952917
oh it’s definitely getting patched

>>719952679
what's a real game for you? arcades?
do people really act like hollow knight is baby mode now, like it was candy crush or something? is that the new board psyops?

>>719952871
to humiliate you

>>719938242 (OP)
Half of the people playing Silksong probably never even touched Hollow Knight and were drawn in by the hype
The real Hollow Kniggas probably love Silksong's difficulty
The fake Hollow Kniggas who hopped on the hype train hate anything with a modicum of difficulty because they just want to play "New Popular Game" to fit in

>>719952946
Cope

>>719952871
Please don't be a real post

it's not that bad. it's generally about right for the genre, and also with the dark souls inspiration.

it's nowhere near some parts of shadow of the erdtree.

>>719952917
I actually chuckled reading this. Literal opposite day statement.

>>719952571
>>719952397
In your stupid country, you have muhammad beheading people, just don't get beheaded lol. This is how dumb your argument is.

>>719952802
theres a lot more "nuh uh! you cant yet! come back in 3 hours ;)" in this one. makes the map feel a lot more artificial.

also wheres the fucking JAMS?? Every single boss from the original game had an absolute jammer song and now its just ??? AI music?? Wtf?

>>719952984
I loved Hollow Knight. I'm not liking Silksong because it's too hard.

>>719952948
The damage increase is only noticeable on the early game mobs, which go from dying in three hits to dying in two. The rest will always require a minimum of three until you can get the oil from the Citadel and in those cases it only takes a few certain enemies from four-to-five hits to three hits. The nail is ridiculously weak without the Hunter crest upgrade and then nearly half of your tools and traps are downright ridiculously powerful, but you'd rather save all that power for bosses, even if you have all the pouch upgrades...

>>719952984
I definitely love the difficulty, vast majority of HK was always too easy. Replaying it before Silksong for the first time since 2019, my first death was at traitor lord lol. Piss easy shit

>>719953027
just don’t be a faggot like you and you won’t get beheaded fag

>>719952679
>this is normal difficulty
>real game
why not like metroid or castlevania difficulty? those are real games.

>>719952979
>what's a real game for you? arcades?

Try literally any fucking video game from the NES to PS2 era.

You know, back when games were good? Back when games were rewarding experiences and not just theme park rides?

>>719952917
They lied as easily as they breathed.

>>719953027
at least the shitter cope is funny

>>719952269
I'd rather be oneshotted by every enemy than deal with damage sponges.

>>719953106
and now the shazamtranny is trying to start a consolewar kek

How many more hours before it actually gets hard?

>>719938242 (OP)
>add casual mode (baby mode is too insulting, but name it that in the code)
>randomly play children laughing.wav to make fun of the "player"
>get the ligmanal spooky crappypasta audience at the same time
It's just that easy.

>>719952939
That's the outcome of the damage sponge game design lmao. Enemy simply becomes not worth engaging unless absolutely necessary. Already seen that in elden ring, there's a fuckton of content that people just skip and game turns into a glorified boss rush.

>>719953182
>Cocoon
Attempt #23 was it? Or did we refine it until attempt #45?

>>719953182
>vertical pogo
You didn't beat the game

>D-DAMAGE SPONGE
shitter cope

>>719953252
2 or 3 :)

>>719953182
>cocoon
lol

I hated the difficulty at first, but I'm really good now, so, it forged me. but it was painful. would like some damage upgrades though, fighting basic enemies is no challenge, just tedious.

>>719946254
"We're here to kill chaos" in the next 3.2 seconds.

lmao not a single valid answer. basically the equivalent of the twitter tranny going "omg did you just... im literally shaking right now" when you shatter xer world view
>>719953020 100% real and unironic
>>719952981 possibly
>>719952960
If anything, zoomers and gen alpha are the ones with infinite time on their hand don't care about a game being difficult, they'll just bruteforce through the game infinitely, then move on to another game, gaining no transferable skills.
Mature players understand skill and difficulty are only truly rewarding when other humans are involved (competitive games and speedrunning). Solo games that are just difficult are a shallow waste of time. I'd consider playing them only if they have an exceptional story or innovative game mechanics.
Once again, only zoomers and genalphas would find some mid metroidvania innovative enough to captivate them.

>>719953182
>doesn’t jump once
That’s not natural

>>719952656
Personally I am very resource averse. So I run into a >>719952843 type problem. By the time I get comfortable enough with a bossfight to use my tools, I ironically no longer need those tools since I have learned the patterns so well. Hell at that point mixing in tools/spells actually goes against my muscle memory, since I have been practicing the boss with nail only until that point. And of course since the bosses are tanky as fuck and there is no health bar, I have no idea how close I am to beating them. I have been fighting some cunt for the past 5 minutes? Is he about to die in a few swings or am I not even halfway there? Only god knows the answer to this riddle.

>>719938242 (OP)
The only people that are complaining are all the FOMO retards who had no interest in hollow knight or games that are slightly difficult prior to silksong's release

>>719952939
top of citadel, the big corridor full of giant warriors whose weapons look like violin bow sticks
you simply have to run and pogo on them to skip it all because otherwise you waste like 10 minutes fighting giant hp sponges just to get 40 beads or something. it's ridiculous. there are a few other egregious rooms but that one is so ridiculous

>>719953287
Majority of bosses in Hollow Knight were easy first try. This almost never happens in Silksong, meaning it's at least twice as hard.

>>719953182
>Cocoon
kek what a self owned you just did there, but nice go for your 27 attempt tho

>>719951970
I did

>>719953312
>N-NOOOOO YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE DIFFICULT GAMES ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY JUST GRIND WITH UNLIMITED TIME!!
holy shitter cope :DD t

>>719953182
how many hours before you found the vertical pogo organically? you didn't read about it beforehand did you?

>>719953323
>>719953054

>>719953358
2, you see a huge key door with a key for sale nearby and don't get curious?

>>719953287
>2 or 3
hundred

>>719953252
>>719953254
>>719953291
>>719953329
>>719953358
Look at all these shitters coping and seething lmfao
How does it feel like to be normgroid cattle who cry about games being too difficult? Dark Souls needs an easy mode yes?

>>719952871
I'll try to explain
>game is difficult, this means you need to waste time and energy to git gud
>when you finally manage to defeat an enemy that killed you 100 times and made you curse like a character from a tarantino movie, you feel extremely satisfied because that is proof that you are now better than you used to be.
Pre-world monster hunter fans know this feeling really well.

>>719953228
>randomly play children laughing.wav to make fun of the "player"
Lace bros..

>>719953354
sorry, forgot to mention /v/ NEETs with infinite time

>>719953320
Tools make more sense in gauntlets rather than bosses. Except the throwing knife, that thing is broken.

>>719953312
>Solo games that are just difficult are a shallow waste of time
Braindead take. Difficult solo games can be fun. This one is just badly designed and trying way too hard to be difficult which makes it feel what? Artificial. I don't feel like I'm playing a game or unraveling a story or exploring an open world. I feel like I'm trapped in this cuckold simulator where I'm forced to bash my head against walls until one eventually cracks open and I get to walk 5 feet into another wall which has a piece of paper taped to it reading "theres 2 more behind me"

>>719953072
>nearly half of your tools and traps are downright ridiculously powerful
Are they? I've just defeated Widow (and got the first damage upgrade) and so far tools do not particularly amazing.
String Shard is what I've used for most of the early game it's finicky to aim. Currently I'm using Threefold Pin and it's kinda alright I suppose.

>>719953451
just admit that you suck at video games bro it's ok

>>719953358

If you didn't immediately save up for the key the instant you saw it, are you even a person?

>>719953432
How come you couldn't beat the easy boss first try, shitter?

>>719953432
feels good. darksouls has an easymode.
>>719953426
I lost all my beads

>>719952917
A lot changed in 5 years

>>719953312
embarrassing post

>>719953332
>I did so it’s the norm

>>719953443
>defeat a difficult encounter
>reward is a consumable that gives you more ammo currency
Meh...

>>719953446
>easy mode that makes Lace follow through the whole game and fight all the enemies for you and call you a weakling and laugh at you
it’s everywhere

>>719953479
>no u!
Seethe shitter, seethe
Maybe TC will release the easy mode you want so much if you cry about it enough on twitter

>>719952137
I hate it so much.

>>719953475
i did farm 1000 beads and bought everything in the shop and then opened the door to wormtunnel

>>719953459
Agreed. The trap one did god's work against that bird gank fight room. Just deleted those flying little fucks.

>dropped from overwhelmingly positive down to very positive

It's all ogre.

honestly the most annoying part of the game is losing all my money. because, at least for me, its really hard to find a lot of money. any grind spots?

>>719953461
Tool pouch has two types of upgrades. First is the damage and second is capacity. When you have two in both, i've found most of the more powerful traps to be absolutely ridiculous (Namely the caltrops and spikes on grounded bosses) and quickly start overtaking the nail on many encounters. The problem is that in terms of shell shard costs, they're expensive as shit so if you spend all of your tools with two equipped you can easily look at anywhere between 100-150 shards per refill on a bench.

what I don't get is why shitters insist when they find some difficult boss or area
literally just walk away if you suck, go somewhere else, find upgrades, explore, there's tons of different ways to progress you just suck

>>719953531
Spent time on a webm that proved the opposite point you were trying to make, really sad honestly. How easy it would have been to just trim the cocoon out of the webm too.

>>719953557
WE DID IT SHITTER SISTERS

>>719953426
It’s not trivial to even see the big door early.

>>719953312
>he doesn't know about John Henry Irons beating a rail road track laying machine with his bare hands and skill
>he doesn't know about grandmaster equalling/beating AI programs in chess
>he just snipes/beats up fellow shitters in bronze then smurfs a new account when he hits Silver to feel hardcore

Beating the machine is mankind ascended pilled

>>719953589
The shitter seethe continues

>WHY ISN'T THIS VIDEO GAME PUNCHING MY BALLSACK AT FULL FORCE EVERYTIME OPEN A DOOR?!?!
asks the perfectly sane man

>>719953637
sup dsp

>>719938242 (OP)
I know I'm going to sound like a PC nancy, but I was playing Silksong and noticed how much I dislike these made-up tribal societies. I liked it when games went full politically incorrect with a tribe of pygmies or those cannibal tribes from Heart of Darkness. Every time I hear the made-up language, I cringe. It's like booga booga me underdeveloped cultist something something about colonialism and monarchy being bad.

>>719953574

Nigga these people are too stupid to beat basic bosses, you don't actually think they understand exploration either, do you?

I have a maxed out Wanderer's Crest, I know about 90% of other players won't at the same place I am.

>>719952476
underrated post

>>Team Cherry have no other way except patch the game to be piss easy like Hollow Knight
And why would they do that?
Because 1% of the player base is shit at video games?
How fucking delusional are you OP?

>>719953574
>don't want to lose money so you have to go back to the boss
>don't know if the boss will give an upgrade or new ability

>>719953443
>you feel extremely satisfied because that is proof that you are now better than you used to be
No you don't, this is an absolute cope, at best it is "i am glad it is over" feel, at worst you feel literally nothing and continue on. Don't know what kind of overemotional retard you need to be to to feel extreme satisfaction there.

>>719953658
meds

>>719953658
i think you should stop being obsessed with politics and seeing things that aren't there

>>719953432
>calls shitter
>uses vertical pogo coz can't adapt
Literally not using vertical pogo because it's babby mode if you finished HK and I'm further than you

>>719953658
They're just bugs

>>719953624
the machines still can't beat pokemon red in under 500 hours

>>719953709
If the game is so easy why are you crying about the difficulty

>>719953574
I think the issue is that unlike the first hollow knight, the game feels way more linear. Your only objectice during act 1 is to go to the citadel so it feels like there's only one way to progress, while in HK, your objective is to get 3 dreamers which are scattered around the map so it incentivizes you to go different ways.

>>719953658
you're taking it a bit far, but yeah the way they talk sometimes I feel like I'm having a stroke.

>>719953687
you’re autistic

Please tell me OP is just pretending to be retarded
Nobody can be this big of a faggot

>>719953631
Nice little melty you're having. I spent a few seconds making posts, you're making webms and multi-quoting people lol

>>719953769
>the game feels way more linear
well it isn't, facts don't care about your feelings

>>719953683
>>don't know if the boss will give an upgrade or new ability
it won't. bosses don't give you stuff in this game.

>>719945040
I saw everything there is to see, anon, besides a few health upgrades which nobody needs. The game is just that empty and bland.

>>719953724
I bet you 100 dollerydoos an AI could beat or come close to beating a pokemon world champ in a fixed 1 on 1

>>719953702
It's not even subtext that the made-up language and downtrodden tribal feudal society is so... whatever. They should be naked pygmies with swords and shit. That would be cool.

FREN! is really growing on me but where is SHAW?? ADINO?? where my funny catchphrases

>>719953802
Concession accepted lil man, may you seethe in peace and go play fifa like the niggercattle you are

>>719953769

No?
The "incentive" is to find cool shit in new areas. That's all you need. I got the Sprint and FIRST thing I did was leave that entire area, go to Wyrmway and then make my way above because I just had to know what was up there.

Who the fuck cares what the objective is?

>>719939934
>no way to know where to go
Like, open the map and go to where there's a hole
Woah that was hard
>or where you've been
Sounds like a you problem

>>719953829
current state of the art AI is ranked 1900 elo on showdown

I liked hollow knight because the bosses were challenging and cool
the bosses in silksong so far have also been challenging and cool
I fail to see what everyone is in an uproar about

>>719945520
Damn, you must be far, because this has never happened to me

>>719953479
I'm the one who made the webm and that wasn't me.
I thought I discovered an obvious exploit on an early game boss but from all the replies it seems the complainers actually did struggle with it lol

>>719953779
I think Japan having college-educated writers and artists makes for better settings. I feel the same way about mainstream Western games. In indie games, they repeat settings without much thought and end up repeating the same problems without any of the flair that these more mainstream games bring. I love how Japan deals with trope shit.

>>719953918
Silksong got so popular on the internet it broke the normalfag bandwagoner barrier and what you're seeing is the end result of that

>>719938242 (OP)
> Savage Flybeast mob spawns are heavily randomized
> if you're unlucky, you get those fat swirly things that can dodge the stomp via bladestorming
> if you happen to stagger the boss in a corner, you'll lose 80% of your life to two rapid contact damage hits - to a staggered boss

The game has some questionable design choices.

>>719953918
you liked it for the wrong reasons, chud. hollowknight was loved for having a humming map maker.

>>719953864
>member all the different upgrades and abilities and items you can find exploring sotn?
>well fuck that here is some currency i guess
very cool shit, such wow

>>719953918
Having to go through a 3-minute walk back to the dumb boss is what's fucking annoying, not the boss itself. Most of the really hard bosses in HK had benches nearby or they were dream bosses which you could retry instantly.

>>719939931
What company? It's still just the same 3 guys.

>>719953574
they're unironically over-entitled adhd addled babies that want everything given to them. they don't want a challenge.

Legit don't remember the last time a game was TOO difficult for /v/ and chuds cried as a result. Has that ever really happened before outside of Dark Souls 2 launch?

after getting gud, I no longer find silksong challenging.

>>719954008
This has never happened to me. Explore more and get the bench that is near the boss.

Yesterday some guy was complaining about the runback to Widow. She's literally 30 seconds away from a bench, in a straight line with no enemies you can just sprint through. No idea where the idiot was trying to run back from.

Man that was hard to reach.

>>719954172
shadow of the erdtree was the last one that got the babies complaining here. it also basically got all of china to downvote it.

there might be connection between those two things.

YEAH LETS JUST THROW 2 TANKY AGILE ENEMIES INTO A TIGHT LOCKED ARENA AFTER SEVERAL WAVES OF ENEMIES AND MINUTES OF WALKING, PARKOUR, AND ENEMIES

AIIIIIEEEEEE

>>719946779
>Holy shit that's based because I love "fuck you" traps from devs

> big area which lots of "fuck you" pogo mechs and tough enemies
> only bench is at the end of the area and it's a fucking mimic

>>719954172
It happens so rarely because sometimes games are actually too hard.

>>719954172
getting sucked into Lace's million stab attack reminded me of dark souls 2. she was easy enough though

>>719954216
probably the combat arena at the mid/end of ant land. lots of platforming, if you don't have the marypoppins thing or the dash at this point, lol.

>>719945040
If you can beat a game that brags about having le content dood, but you can beat it in 14h,its not meaningful content, just go directly to the boss fights skipping every normal enemy

Team cherry should make a multiplayer fighting game next.

>>719951372
you easily can: add more save points
being punishing by wasting your time on nothing is bad design

>>719954459
The area before last judge too

>>719954283
Yep read that shit too
Can't wait

>>719951915
>The Wanderer crest is locked behind a 500 rosary key that unlocks a door that you need some parkour to even find
I got wanderer without ever getting a simple key. I just floated down onto it?

>>719951050
am I really expected to 100% all of that in under 30 hours?

>>719945258
Hollow knight was easy with the exception of select optional content.

>>719954762
To be fair last judge is so easy i welcomed the platforming gauntlet before it. Would've been an unmemorable boss if the bench was just next to it

>>719954832
Yes.

do I need something special to get the third key in the prison?

>>719954172
blame the hype and unrealistic expectations - everyone jumped on the hypetrain
while with legit difficult games like Lies of P on release only souls fans who expect and want challenge played it - and you didnt even check the threads where many ppl complained about the difficulty

DS2 is piss easy btw, I beat it deathless/nobonfires in fewer attempts than DS1

>>719951479
Lmao what an unironic faggot you are

>speedrunning trannies have no problem with silksong, the game where you're a girl bug
hmm

>He's still giving (you)s
Keep em coming
Take as many screenshots as you want

>>719955184
Silksong is truly a game for troons kek

>>719955184
>NOOOO ONLY SPEEDRUNNERS CAN DEAL WITH THE DIFFICULTY
holy cope batman, have you considered finding another hobby?

>>719951970
I thought you had to..

>>719938242 (OP)
For me it's
>the constant runbacks
>the constant screen effects that obscure the action
>the constant annoying ebic pausing and slowdown on certain attacks that fucks your timing
>the complete lack of progression
>the complete lack of currency despite EVERYTHING being gated behind it
And worst of all:
>every single enemy in the entire game dealing contact damage COMBINED with the fact that they spaz around erratically COMBINED with the fact that your weapon hit range is like two inches

I'm just over it. I love hard games, but this is just annoying bullshit. If you know, you know. If you're still in early act 1 saying it's easy, then just shut the hell up

All right. I'm going to switch back to the original for a few hours and see if that's actually better or if im just nostalgia goggling.

>>719952871
Killing niggers in Africa, 10 every 60 seconds

>>719951908
its more punishing - the word gamers should add to their vocabulary instead of just calling everything 'hard'
and being more punishing - like always taking 2 damage - always feels bad

>>719955256
my other hobby is fishing

>>719955484
>just cast a line bro
Shitter pastime

>>719955374
>the complete lack of currency despite EVERYTHING being gated behind it
maybe my biggest gripe. I ended up just cheesing an area where two guys spawn next to a bench and farming them for rosaries until I could buy out every shop I’d unlocked by that point. Never felt like I had that issue in HK

I think this game has a problem of audiences.
If you liked Hollow Knight for the late game bosses or shit like the DLCs (which were all either boss rushes or extra hard bosses), then you probably like the difficulty spike in Silksong.
If you liked HK for the expansive world exploration and getting lost, then the difficulty is just a chore that's getting in the way.

I think all the combat improvements are really neat, but I'm in the latter camp and it's been rough. I felt like I spent hours today doing basically a glorified boss rush, nothing but obnoxious runbacks and bosses over and over with no new upgrades and barely any progression to speak of and I was almost ready to quit playing. Thankfully it improved after that hump and it's been enjoyable again with more of an exploration focus, at least for now.

>>719955540
I use bait too.

>>719953443
out of 7 replies only a single human who wrote anything meaningful, the rest are just angry npc barks
pretty sad state of the board and internet in general

>>719955635
I liked HK for the expansive world and exploration and I love the difficulty of Silksong because exploring in HK was way too fucking easy
Cope, shitter

>>719952871
bragging rights

>>719955635
When does the hump end? Currently stuck in it and want to quit.

>>719955635
if this was their first game instead of hollowknight... reviews would not be so kind. probably mixed.

>>719955648
Kek good one

>>719952871
games have to be engaging, going through a game and having no challenge at all is no fun, at this point just watch a youtube playthrough
2d platformers is basically one of the original genres, been around almost since videogames were created
if you suck at them it's a you problem

>>719955635
You got gud, nice

>>719955908
For me things massively improved as soon as I beat Widow, since you start getting way more nice upgrades, but for all I know it's just the calm before the storm and I'm about to get my skull dented by the next area.
>>719955952
I think it would still impress because of the polish and expansiveness. But no way it would've been as popular as HK got if it was this hard.

>>719956028
Engaging != hard. Unless you are masochist at which point cbt would be a better option.

>>719956180
challenging != hard
I'd rather have a challenge that takes me a few tries than mindlessly waltz through the game

>>719939931
they should just add easy mode for retards and everyone will be happy.
I'm in the middle of act 2 and game is good, only thing I would say was shit was lack of rosary beads at the beginning of the game and bench before last judge being a bit too far.

Items could cost half as much and it would still be too much.

>>719956582
instead of easy mode, they should make a condescending youtube video tutorial on how to play, how to improve etc. and link it on the steam update.

>>719956623
just farm. 1000 beads in 25 minutes. put on an episode of anime or something.

>>719956650
True, insulting your customers is the best way to sell more.

>>719956740
hk sold +15mio
silksong broke several stores for a few hours after release

>>719956807
Because they didn't insult anyone, which is what you're suggesting.

>>719956740
Worked for og Doom