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>>533767993 (OP)The wind is so hot
So was Tangle written in mind with being tard-wrangled by a crying lesbian?
I wouldn't pitch a character like that.
MIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNAAAAAAA
>>533768164Tangle was pitched as a spunky fun sporty girl that loves adventure and cares a lot about her friends. Except they made her care too much about one friend that she actively no longer going on adventures or being spunky and fun
>>533768164No she was written with the intention of being a self-insert for new fans to Sonic and to add more strong independent women because Blaze is the only kick-butt female according to Ian Flynn.
>>533768164She was a trojan horse to earn the faith of Archie detractors.
>>533768686But Cream has gone on more adventures than Tangle and Whisper put together...
>>533768686Who would self-insert as a stinky lemur?
>>533768164Do you think those writers care about Sonic or even writing a good story?
I can't get over how they made a whole arc where Tangle was separated from Whisper, made her complain through the whole thing that Whisper wasn't with her, end it with her saying she going to ask Whisper to go on an adventure and then it's never followed up on because the writers wanted to milk Whisper for trauma porn. Tangle never got to even try having a regular adventure with Whisper because it's immediately sidestepped into throwing her into a military group with a bitchy sheep neither of them have chemistry with and Whisper being to retarded to do anything but cry and sniffle in Tangle's arms
>>533769238Ian the POTTO's old fursona was a primate
>>533769174Cream is a weak defenseless child, enjoy her baking cookies at home and her mother giving le scary look instead.
>>533769785>Cream is a weak defenseless little girlFTFY
>>533769878>defenseless little girlSomebody post the picture of Cream anally raping Shado
>>533769878And yet she's done more shit than the IDW OCs like fighting Metal Sonic and befriending Emerald. So it's actually worse they can't get on a child's level
The surest sign that IDW failed, to me, is that IDWfags are literally just here for shipping.
Worse yet, they're here for ships that the comic cannot represent. IDW is not a romance story about Tangle and Whisper or Sonic and Surge. It never has been.
>>533770000>>533769995I think you guys missed
>>533769785's point here. Cream isn't written like that anymore because the stance is now that she's just a regular little kid that can't be involved anymore because it's too dangerous. Nevermind the fact Charmy is six and can go to war.
Fuck you for making me wish Whisper used Final Color Blaster
>>533770157I can't ignore the games that let Cream do dangerous extreme gear racing. Actually, now that I think about it, did Ian exclude a canon racing character from his racing comic?
He hates Cream THAT MUCH
Cream being a useless liability who can't even fly was a thing in Sonic X
>But what about th four episodes where this wasn't true
Go fuck yourself that's what.
Shadow being a dick to Rouge is also q consistent thing from Sonic X. Right down to him snatching things from her hand.
Sonic telling cringe jokes? They is from the games.
>>533770046The irony being that a successful property like say, Looney Tunes, has no noise whatsoever. It just makes money and makes its fans happy so there isn't much to say.
>"I enjoyed The Day the Earth Blew Up.">"Me too."And the convo ends right there.
>>533770453That was Evan. Please understand there is only so much screentime and the story neccessitated that the Diamond Cutters and K-TBR 199.2 took priority. Unfortunately that means lesser Riders characters like Knuckles and Cream had to be tossed aside.
>>533770631Ben 10 fandom raging that their property is so disgustingly successful that it doesn't bother releasing new content
>>533770490Cream sat on her ass watching TV in X. IDW and the games are still failing to be faithful to this core part of her character.
>>533770696Sonic's team being down a racer and Cream walking in like in those sports movies like Mighty Ducks and being the team ace would've been funnier
The IDW fandom is so protective of the writers as if criticizing their WORK is the same as bullying and not discussing a JOB they are paid to do
Free Riders was the real Amy's final stand
>>533770918>funnierIDW isn't a gag book, it's a serious soft-seinen story. Something like that happening would be unfitting and harm the plot.
Shadow basically wasted his entire second chance with Maria by ignoring her
>>533771315Good grief. You mean the series with classic and modern Sonic walking on-screen together and people cracking jokes and not being able to tell the difference?
>he thinks the movie influence will stop at electric boost
Tomb Raider fan here. Give up now.
i vividly imagine my favorite sonic character getting raped or tortured at least once a week and i've been doing this for 10 years. if you asked me why i couldn't tell you.
>>533772407Based Shadowbro me too
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>>533771452How did he ignore her? That didn't happen. He's bad at reacting to affection, but that's not ignoring.
>>533771452This is why I'll never buy into shadria. Maria deserves belter
Rouge is an adult confirmed
>>533773927>rouge is the "free candy" van driverThis makes all the rails autism way more funnier.
>>533770920Their puny NPC brains conflate all criticism of the writers with harassment.
>>533769231Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations
>>533773110Shadamyfags assume the character in pic rel would initiate kisses and other affectionate physical actions. They make superficial assumptions about him based on his design and voice, they think of him as a generic bad boy and run with that.
There's got to be some sort of cognitive dissonance in hardcore Shadamyfags. They think, "Sonic doesnโt reciprocate, so she needs to find another "Sonic" who will."
In reality, Shadow would be worse than Sonic at reciprocating Amy's affection. He simply freezes up when he's touched and he doesn't even realize he should be returning hugs. Sonic at least offers side hugs.
00's Amy would quickly become frustrated and angry with Shadow's aloofness. Does she even have the patience necessary to work with a person who's deeply traumatized and shuts down any attempts to care about him? I think she'd eventually end up snapping at him and he wouldn't bounce back from that very easily.
I think Shadriafags should get a job
>>533774174Turn it into a gift then post it here
The chest is not much but the ass...
>>533774951Blaze doesn't have an ass. She's a flat plank of wood on the front and the back.
Imagine there was a scene in Sonic where a bunch of guys wanted to kill him because they hate him and they hate that he is a shining beacon of hope so they're trying to kill him and they say "KILL HIM" and Sonic says something cool like "Good luck with that" casually and unaffected ed and then he fights all of the guys easily and even breaks one guys teeth because he still fights for what's right and even a bunch of guys trained to kill Sonic can't stop him meanwhile a bunch of Sonic's rivals are stopping w different crisis because they were inspired by Sonic
>>533775594I like his three bangs of hair here
>>533775068Nooooooooooooooooooo
>>533722703If the Archie reboot ran long enough to have seen some Sega mandates relaxed, I wonder if they wanted to at least have Ellidy be related to Chuck...
>>533774393There's more CANDY on that VAN?!
>>533743552Man, how fucking weak, stupid, incompetent and completely lacking in forethought are the people of Sonic's world if he had to save them 900 fucking times?
Do they not know what preparation is? What preventative action is?
This is another thing this franchise borrows from capeshit that I hate. This complete lack of worldbuilding when it comes to the general population. Did these people never actually think to unite and defend themselves by any means necessary? Do they really look at their devastated cities and go "Man, I'll just leave it up to the random ass heroes next time instead of taking precautions and arming up".
Like, fuck. Make the main characters part of the world, not the whole fucking world. Nothing about this is believable in the slightest.
Sonic and Shadow hoodies are like 30% off on Hot Topic rn
>>533776705sorry I'm not gay
>>533776496>>533776650how come surge eats steam hams now.
>>533776767disgusting mutt
I had a hot dog today and the bun split in half. Fucking garbage meal. Burgers never betray you
To any oldfags here who were in the Sonic fandom from 1998 - 2009, what was it like? I got really into Sonic around 2014. I'm looking through a gallery of older official Sonic content and it gives me a sense of nostalgia even though I wasn't around for it. Logically I know it must've kind of sucked to be a Sonic fan then, since Sonic and its fans were such a punching bag while the actual game quality left a lot to be desired. But when I look at the art, characterizations, tone, music, etc. from that era it really appeals to me. It feels so soulful in a way we just don't get now.
It kind of sucks to become a fan of something only to realize a lot of what you liked about it was removed a few years prior in response to screeching boomers and journalists.
>>533771295The real "Amy Rose" wasn't in Sonic Free Riders in the first place. That game in particular flanderized Sonic X's flanderization of Amy to oblivion.
>>533776705Sorry I'm not a tranny
>>533776775>steam hamsle heckin funny epicerino simpsons reference XD
>>533767993 (OP)Blessed be Marineverfic anon I'll be reading this tonight
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>>533777602Why doesn't he try losing weight?
>>533777602You know Ian a lot of your coworkers are babyfurs, you're the only one obsessed with tomboy lesbians
>>533777926Those scars are a line under each breast. Not the same, and I've been forced to see enough top scars here to know how they look like
>>533778041>I've been forced to see enough top scarsFaag
>>533777947have sex and procreate
I still don't understand the desire for Sonic to be relatable
>>533778157uuuuuu I'm dying Tangle uuuuuuuu
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>>533777983yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
now im gonna post chimpmnuk
Sonic teaching the world that rainbows aren't magic but are actually caused by the refraction and reflection of sunlight by water droplets.
>>533778120Where are her boobs
And vagana
>>533778338Sonic would teach both explanations to confuse you and let you make your own choice
Everyone who shits on the Eggmoon episode misses the point of Sonic doing his own thing. Besides it was comedy genius.
Help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wCSIFDKPMA&t=640s
Why is that way that NICOLE said "oooooupen..sameeeeeh.." so fucking HOT?!
Why did her voice unexpectedly drop to a sexy tone for one line all of a sudden?
>>533778462I don't get it
>>533778339Anon...
They're featureless, like the boys.
>>533778532I can't picture lynx Nicole with this voice.
I completely forgot that Nicole and Sally have the same voice
>>533778532I forgot she had the same voice as Sally.
>>533778704So where did Cream come from
>>533778947Her mother cloned her
>>533778704then how do they reproduce?
>>533778532I wanted to punch Sonic through the screen for being such a retard and tard raging at Nicole for it
I want your honest thoughts on Surge. O care a lot for her character.
So did Ian stop writing for IDW and Evan taking his spot for now?
>>533779185Why can't IDW make a classy female lady villain like Breezie.
>>533779185Surge is Sonic's wife.
>>533779259I like her, she's cool, but I wouldn't care half as much about her if she wasn't tied to her cute boy
>>533778532Nicole mogs Tails ipad
>>533778120This guyโs models always have removable clothes and super detailed feet. Yet he doesnโt ever make actual porn models and gives them Barbie doll anatomy and pretends its wholesome content. Itโs somehow creepier than just being an open degenerate, like heโs almost certainly some kind of groomer.
>>533778947>>533779030Oh they still have sex. Pregnancy is canon and one of the Egg Memos talked about bumping proteins so it's likely the same and Creampedo came out of Vanillagina.
>but you said-It's covered by fur, guys. And in several species, the dick retracts when it doesn't need to be used. They don't need to wear clothes like use hairless monkeys do.
What was even the point of DC crossover if we didnt get Super Flash
Of Super Superman
>>533779484>And in several species, the dick retracts when it doesn't need to be used.We sorta have that, but it's just called shrinking and maked for easy small-dick jokes.
eggmoon was based and hilarious, bet half the people who bring it up didn't watch it. i also like that this extreme example highlights how sonic isn't always this super nice sociable friend who's around people, he will go off on his own independently and do what he wants regardless of whether or not his friends know or agree. he doesn't have rambling "relatable" internal monologues second-guessing himself at all even when the world's against him. this was lost a bit after shadow became a mainstay, they have sonic be friendlier and more reliant on others to contrast with shadow's behavior. also because the americans writing him now are obsessed with feminizing the boys and writing heckin wholesome slice-of-life slop. the hero can't go his own way and be self-reliant because toxic masculinity or something
>>533779412He's a toon furry what did you expect
>>533779558It feels cheap that flash saves the day pretty much singlehandedly
>>533778532They predicted the AI-gooning future...
>>533779361This was my favorite part of the movie
>>533779767Windfags like you :
>What's wrong with the story stopping to say Sonic has a bigger dick than everyone? That doesn't undermine their characters. Sonic having the biggest dick first his character. Sonic can also stop a train with his bare hands and that is fine too. You just don't understand the deep complexities of Sonic. Sonic's dick canonically tastes like expensive ice cream so everyone wants to suckle on it. Don't complain or else you don't understand Sonic. There is a real episode of Sonic X where everyone except Sonic is retarded for no reason and we love it because it understands Sonic is an intelligent sociopath and everyone in the world would starve if he didn't remind them how to swallow with his big blueberry ice cream cock
>>533779185>Ianโs SurgeSomewhat interesting but is intrinsically tied to redeemnic which is a terrible reading of Sonicโs character. Clearly the fanbase wanted a new rival for Sonic whoโs not a mute like Metal but Surge never remotely lived up to how the fans hyped her up and was a jobber.
>Evanโs SurgePretty much the complete opposite of Ianโs Surge. The redeemnic shit is dropped and she only hates Sonic because she was brainwashed to. Unfortunately everything else about her take on the character is dull as fuck. Took the jobberish traits from Ianโs Surge and flanderized Surge into being a complete failure. Was almost immediately put in a rushed redemption arc that nobody wanted and became the fourth member of the Diamond Criers.
>>533780156Not him but I do think that unironically.
>>533780317Why are Windfags like this
>>533780368We just appreciate Sonic the way he is.
>>533780156I'm sorry, but I get the impression that you may not like THE WIND. It's okay, not everyone gets it. May I recommend a different franchise? Steven Universe maybe?
>>533780184What went through Evans mind when she decided to redeem the Sonic killdroid
>>533780184>>533780513Women should be banned from writing for Sonic.
Sonic is the chaddest of chads, and all these people complain.
Well, MHA had Deku as a bullied loser whose emotionally vulnerable enough to cry, and there's all sorts of people who HATE Him with every fiber of their being, yet adore All Might.
So like, maybe Sonic being "the wind" isn't as big of a problem as some of you think it is.
Windfags cheering when Sefa makes Jesus show up to admit he worships Sonic
>>533779069Same, but the canceled SatAM revival was going to turn Sonic-shaking-Nicole abuse into a plotpoint.
Sonic is the wind. Hating the wind = hating Sonic.
Can't draw faces anymore so I shall be taking my own life shortly
>>533770323You're welcome!
I want Surge to show up in the manga just so we can see how she's characterized when Sonic is the wind
>>533779185I see Surge as the Wolverine of the comic, her backstory is basically Weapon X and she is already being shoehorned into as many teams as possible due to her popularity
*Does literally nothing wrong*
>>533777008You won't get an answer because this thread is covered head-to-toe in the shitty oldfags who want everyone else to be miserable because their good days are seemingly over. Just jaded retards who wake up being jaded and go to sleep being jaded.
>>533781587She didn't need to kiss him, if we're being honest.
I hope the wind dies. I hope the wind dies a slow and painful death.
>>533779484I think they all don't have any genitals.
and they're only dry humping when they have sex.
I guess cartoon logic dictates the act alone will get someone pregnant.
>>533780184>Took the jobberish traits from Ianโs Surge and flanderized Surge into being a complete failure.but she won against him every time in the riders arc
>>533781587This.
I'm really struggling to understand why a character like Big was beloved in retrospect yet everyone hated and still hates Elise.
The kiss was really, really fuckin' bad though and robs the player agency if you chose Amy in the trial instead, but I blame that on the rush. Still amazing how five seconds can completely ruin a whole character in the eyes of the fans.
i hate my metal bones,
my bones and gears creak in my chest
my chest forever cold,
a cold and maddening descent
descending down so far,
fall farther 'til there's nothing left
i'm left here in the dark,
the dark
i dance to forget
>>533781895>You can't kiss the anthro hedgehog boy because erm...well you just can't ok?Nothing wrong. I would also kiss Sonic.
>>533782176Nobody hates Elise anymore. When is the last time you saw someone go "Grrr I hate Elise grr"? Whenever the JP Xitter posts her it gets more likes than usual.
>>533782176I stopped hating Elise and her game years ago. I realized that I didn't even have a real reason to hate them. I don't mind the kiss either
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>>533782357>Elise is getting the retroactive appreciation treatment like Big and Marine
At least I can say I always liked Marine
>>533781987by that logic, take any nsfw sonic fancomic and edit it so that they're just bumping each other's featureless crotches
>>533781587I hate Elise because she's Maekawa slop.
The Elise kiss is funny because it's the true love's kiss trope. Amy was never endgame.
>>533782337Surge my dearest...
>>533780513Because Surge and Kit are more than killdroids
Ian made Surge and Kit's struggles with agency a major part of their origin, Evan was just building off of that
Surge and Kit are unique because they're Sonic rivalsโข that needed to learn why they should be Sonic rivalsโข
>>533782730good luck with that.
>>533781587She's not a blobian, the biggest sin of all
>>533783039Nice, more reeemed rivals. Like we don't have a billion of those already.
We need more actual villains.
>>533782482I would make "Elise bad" posts as a kid but then I realized I didn't dislike anything she did, I was just saying it because everyone around me was. The worst thing about her is just that her personality is bland, but that's just an '06 thing in general. Even Sonic seemed bland in that game. I think people really overreacted to the kiss, it could have been executed and stylized better but there's nothing actually morally wrong with human x blobian, and Sonic was still kind of "alive", she felt him in the breeze.
>>533782176I think it would have been received better if the kiss cutscene had two versions, giving you either Amy or Elise based on who you chose in the trial.
>>533783020He should have just had a simple shut down code from the jump
>>533779350They can't even do "classy male" villain. Look at Clutch.
>>533783298You will take your Eggman and Deadly Six team ups and you WILL like it
>>533783020Surge will lay an egg.
She has no memory of getting raped by Starline for so many nights.
I think people hated Elise because it was the popular thing for media outlets to shit on so as a result, fans saw her as cancer. Silver managed to escape scrutiny (not without being shat on himself) but since Elise was an easier target being a human with a "realistic" design (that also affected Eggman's look, another thing people mad fun off) and especially being a one off character that detractors saw as a boring damsel, she was easy pickings.
>>533783513His hypno-glove was the shutdown code. Then she started resisting it.
Why is Shadow so mean to Maria?
>>533781587*gets kidnapped*
Kishimoto here. What should I do to make the next mainline Sonic game popular in japan?
>>533783660She has no idea that she has laid a bunch of eggs already before Starline used the hypnoglove on her one more time to erase all memory of her being a cumdumpster.
>>533783410>I would make "Elise bad" posts as a kid but then I realized I didn't dislike anything she did, I was just saying it because everyone around me was. The worst thing about her is just that her personality is blandSame, and I agree
>Even Sonic seemed bland in that gameMaybe overall but there are a few scenes I like specifically because they show Sonic's personality
>if the kiss cutscene had two versionsThat would have been cool. And I think it was intended because that mission makes zero sense otherwise
>>533783956The shutdown is permanent...ugh I hate the sound of that or that hypno shit but it's good to know that fiction won't effect real life cybernetic development
Fuck your ship
Shadaze rules
>>533783791Elise was hated because she was the cherry on top of a shit sundae. The story being melodramatic japanese slop rivaling the idw comics, and the game having an ugly aesthetic that is abhorrent to the common person much like the original movie Sonic model was, makes her the lightning rod of complaining that people point to as when Sonic Team lost their goddamn minds of what Sonic the Hedgehog is supposed to be about
>>533784660Sonic 2006 is the closest any Sonic game ever got to the original concept for the series. The premise of the game was bringing Sonic back to his roots with a focus on the "what if Sonic was real?" part of the origin story
>>533783410Player choice is good, but having two versions of The Kiss would not make sense with the story of this game. The kiss is the culmination of Elise's specific journey with Sonic, something Amy didn't have in 06
Elise and 06 making Sonic bland is why it's bad; Elise dragged Sonic down in the same way Whisper drags Tangle down
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>>533781587>>533782814Looking back, I like SonElise's basis. I think it works because Sonic is treated more as Elise's muse for everything she lacks, has been denied since her father's death forced to really accelerate on taking the throne, or can't allow herself to have because of Iblis:
>The liberty to act and express as one pleases without expectation, judgment, or consequence>The freedom to go anywhere, meet anyone, and spend however much time with them as one likes>The lack of pressure (as a duchess-to-be or the last line of defense preventing the apocalypse) to enjoy the small things in life, like rolling about in the grass and jogging to leave your troubles behind>The easygoing-yet-focused confidence to face adversity with a smile, concentrating entirely on what's in front of you without doubting yourself or dwelling on prior mishapsSonElise's appeal is about a guy who enjoys life with such zest that it's infectious, his presence helping a girl repressing herself to start coming out of her shell rather than remain stagnant simply because it's safer - it's probably why they went with the whole "Sonic & Elise bond, Sonic dies, Elise revives him with a kiss" plotline, it's symbolic of the fact Sonic helped Elise actually start LIVING and her returning the favor.
I genuinely think the ending of Sonic's Story where Elise teasingly echoes back his advice about running first and worrying later amidst the collapsing Egg Carrier (contrast when they first met, when she panicked at Eggman shooting missiles at them), them almost not making it before getting blasted to safety by the ship exploding and tumbling around in the dirt, Sonic casually helping her up and her cracking up and laughing over ridiculously lucky they got, is one of the best scenes involving Elise in the game. If there was any potential for her character, it lied there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqQB9UwkVg
>>533784882Does 06 confirm that SOA was right to change Sonic from its original concepts?
>>533785308That scene (and also the scene it's referencing) are pretty good I think
>>533785467I don't want to say it definitely because there are many more reasons the game was hated, including the fact that it was perceived as a huge departure whereas it wouldn't have been if the west was introduced to the series like that in the first place, but I've been thinking about it for some time and maybe it does. Either way I imagine SoA got snarky over the Japanese vision for the series getting called one of the worst games of all time, and that's how they got so much more influence over the series afterwards
nigga, we're not rewriting the history, are we
>>533785308I like SonElise for the same reasons I like SonAze but it's fundementally at odds with what I want Sonic to be. Sonic Team wants '06 while I want Rush.
>>533785467Kinda yeah but it's mostly a presentation issue not a content issue. They want Sonic to be this dreamy fairytale. Movie 3 Shadriapilled people while still being a good action flick for families.
>>533784535It's more of a "too many inconvenient questions, erasing last 10 minutes from your mind" button.
>>533780789Too convoluted and full of holes.
>Why does Robotnik's plan specifically require a five-year old's brain?>Why someone close to the royal family, of all things?>If her mind was uploaded to a space satellite, why didn't Robotnik and company keep tabs on their tech?>How in god's name does Nicole's device-controlling powers extend to telepathic control over sapient organisms?>Was the future Nicole was scared of one where she oversaw the Roboticizer, or was she going to actually overtake Robotnik and become even worse?>Why does Sonic shaking the portable unit affect her if her mind is "physically" on the satellite?>Was Nicole really going to be human? If so, is she linked to whatever Robotnik's backstory was supposed to be?>She died, hence Sally mourning her loss, yet Sonic was eventually going to help get her body back. So where was it? Did she just suddenly go missing one day and everyone just assumed she died? Did Robotnik fake a suicide note or something? There was seriously no deeper investigation into the disappearance of a royal-family friend? So her body is preserved, and she'd have come back as a five-year old, then who preserved her body for that long? Was it because it was roboticized? If Robotnik had the tech to upload her actual mind to his systems, didn't he also have to tech to just make a 1:1 copy of her mind that he can get away with much more easily instead of making me overthink these uncomfortable questions about a shitcanned idea twenty years later?The more I think about this "Nicole was a real girl" concept, the more I hate it. It clearly ran on shock juices. The Nicole we got is much better.
>>533785308>it's symbolic of the fact Sonic helped Elise actually start LIVING and her returning the favor.I think the ending is also supposed to imply that the Duke of Soleanna never died in the new timeline, which was the origin of Elise's problems in the first place. This isn't directly stated though
>>533784340>no repliesGet fucked Kishimoto
>>533786000The Rush plotline is what follows if you start digging at the fact that Sonic is also a guardian of the emeralds, so all the themes about roles, responsibility, freedom and duty get touched on
>>533786136Oh, oh, ALSO not mentioned
>>533780789>Robotnik was going to get Nicole's parental permission and have her sign a bunch of legal documents and waiversLike that DIDN'T make him the prime suspect? God, that idea sucks!
>>533785825> Either way I imagine SoA got snarky over the Japanese vision for the series getting called one of the worst games of all time, and that's how they got so much more influence over the series afterwardsSo what you're saying is that the only way to truly escape the Meta/Brand Era is for Sega of America to suffer their own '06 disaster to dishonor them in the eyes of Shogun Sammy Exec.
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Why are SEGA giving their games alcoholic codenames?
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>>533787134Most likely referencing that Josh Miller guy who works on the movies
>>533787134>>533787337Wait I kept reading the paragraph, interesting, so that was just a coincidence
>>533787337It's not, the previous 2 games before Shad Gens had internal project names named after brewing companies as well. Miller is another brewery.
>>533787134Yeah I noticed a bunch of files were named miller when datamining, like pic. Checks out.
Alright, letโs get to work, found around 80 useful images for this new model. It was hard to find drawings that werenโt shitty cats though.
>>533784340remember the like
>>533787792>I'm bored I I'm Sonic let play a game!
>>533786136Question 9000: Why does Nicole's counterplan necessitate that she seal away her "human" identity?
>>533786841Same can be said of Adventure. I see Rush and Rush Adventure as a direct continuation of Adventure which was an actualization of the original vision in its own right. Nishiyama was windpilled.
>>533788014In a lucid paradise
You come here to break the time
I'll make you protagonist
After we play Hide n' S-s-s-s
Leave your sorrows by the entrance
You're already on the exit
Rocks are falling from the sky
All you can feel is sunshine
Let's play a game
For old times sake
Let's play a game
Are you ready-y-y-y?
Welcome to my backdoor
This place was built for you
Who's always hungry for more
That's why this is Round 2!
Your world's a mirror of yourself
And never the other way around
In your hand lays all of their cries
Free-will always has a price
>>533787134>>533787496Wait wait no, it's not coincidence. Terra and Union are also codenames for Crossworlds right? These are also beer.
Then that means that the leaked Guinness codename was never about a world record or heroes. That's also just another beer.
THERE IS NO HEROES REMAKE
Damn, so this beta title was a BEER BREWING company.
>>533788224i need that shadow to cum in my pussy 6000000 times
fuck, move over amy you bitch
>>533788435I meant it matching the surname of two people who worked on the Sonic movies was a coincide- Hold on you're completely right about Guinness, I forgot about that codename. That part of the leak sounds very believable now, the speculation that it might be connected to Heroes, well not at all
>leakers are so full of shit they gaslit the fanbase into believing there's a heroes remake because they don't know sega's alcoholic tendencies
my fucking sides
That means Guinness is for a real Sonic game.
>>533788435>>533788463>they're drunk when they make these games
>>533788463Don't forget the Axe Orion scent
>>533788435>>533788463Does sonic team collectively agree to get high on the selected brand that they codename the game after?
does the quality and taste of the beverage affect the quality of the game?
does the alcohol content affect gameplay?
>>533788014>>533788369The first time i ever really liked a fnf song she killed that
>>533788638I think the Heroes rumors predate the Guinness codename. What I think happened is "leakers" heard about the Heroes stuff (whether it's real or fake is irrelevant right now), then they saw the Guinness codename (which is likely legitimate) and invented a false connection between the two
>>533788572Guinness must be for Frontiers 2 then. All of the beer codenames have been for their major yearly releases.
>Superstars>SXSG>Crossworlds>Guinness? (next year?)
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>>533788309>The Nicole is dead>The Nicole is dead????>Yes, she died.>*GAAAAAAAAAAAASP*>Who killed Nicole??
>>533788715 (Me)
What if someone breaks the code of conduct and gets high on a different beverage?
What if someone does not drink ?
>>533788752I distinctly remember Zippo popping off about it first, but then it turned out his source was another source grabbing things from Midori. Midori said there's a possibility of a heroes remake, but said he couldn't confirm that it was for this codename while Zippo ran with the logic of guinness = guinness world record = heroes
Guinness could be Frontiers 2.
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I fucking hate the W*nd
>>533789089It's because Midori said there were two projects in development. A remake and Frontiers 2. Everyone assumed Guinness was the remake project and tied it to Heroes
The quality of the beer affects how good the game is.
>>533789395So the remake is coming out this year. Where is it?
>>533786856I think that was just his way of luring her to his lab but it's written in 2000's stream-of-consciousness AIMrot, still raises the question of who and where the fuck her parents were.
>>533788739I like Maigo theme
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>Snively, what color is my heart?
>I don't see a heart, sir.
>Exactly. That's because the heart is part of the cardiovascular system, which is completely separated from the digestive system and thus cannot be seen from the mouth.
>Thank you for helping me with my homework, sir.
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I admire the work and dedication put into this, but I don't know. Something about them spending a decade on just the pilot episode for a SatAM revival (which let's be honest, is not happening in this day and age, especially not officially with SEGA involved)
Meanwhile Underground's independently produced fan revival not only has more episodes than its original show, but it exceeds its total length by several hours iirc. And I think that's really fucking funny
>>533788463I thought Orion was a reference to Fang (Orion) the Hunter
>>533789608Few possibilities
1. It was internally delayed or cancelled
2. It's a red herring to throw off people from figuring out the leaker's identify
3. It'll be announced after Crossworlds
I think 2 is the most likely. I doubt sonic team has another project in dev coming out that soon with Crossworlds coming out this year. But there's also a 4th option that they pushed it to next year since a remake is better for anniversary. Either way, Guinness seems to be guaranteed a real project now and most likely Frontiers 2.
>>533786136>Did Robotnik fake a suicide note or something?lol he faked a suicide note for five-year old girl.
>>533790304Heroes remake should release in 2027 to coincide with Sonic Movie 4
>>533790682We don't even know if it will be heroes anymore. It would make sense in theory with movie 4 focusing on Metal, but what if its a different game?
>>533789810>admire and works for Sonic willingly Fuck wrong with him
>>533790037>Sea3onis done by a couple of independent guys who do it in their free time besides they everyday life. they are serious about it and who knows how many times they scrapped and started from the beginning. or how many times did they change stuff like the art style.
>underground "revival" it's a shitpost
>>533789118Hot, can you draw him buttfucking the wind in front of Amy?
>>533791036just a bit quirky
>>533788209Exactly, you get it.
I just realized something.
Sonic is the fastest thing ALIVE. So that means that Metal being faster than Sonic isn't OOC by any metric.
Oohohohho... Time to take away even more from him. I'll leave W*ndnic a broken man so he can develop.
Thoughts on the Black Dragon, the first kaiju to fight Super Sonic? Do you think she will return?
>>533778532>Nicole voice>Nicole shakeupbut no one talking about
>Nicole laser
>>533793687Me when see people having fun
>>533793812>Sonic is the fastest thing ALIVE.That's WESTnic, not WINDnic. WINDnic always expressed it more humbly, "I'm just a hypersonic hedgehog."
>>533794396>Thoughts No thoughts melted in her stomach acid
i am just an anon who likes shitposting
>>533794062This but holding a glowing bread?
>>533794913Oh, so that's even better! I can just write a guy who's faster than Sonic, then.
Sonic the name chao poaching is my game
Me at my grandmother's funeral
>>533795417Amy the kind of girl to say good morning to the class and everyone stays quiet
>>533795647I don't know what that implies
>>533795417RAT, i bet you gained another pound and it ended up right in your thights.
>>533778532>>533780789>Sonic: I don't know what I did but she's finally talkin' English!>Sally: Aww, it's so cute that you two are bonding!>Nicole (as it appeared): I merely had to adapt in an act of self-preservation.>Nicole (if revival happened): HOLY SHIT THAT WAS FUCKIN' CLOSE.
I don't know why people here keep calling Sonic "The wind" when he has never been mentioned that officially. If anything, he's canonically referred as "The blue phantom".
In today's video we're going to see how many rings can fit in Clutch tail
>>533796225i dont even know what to say
kill yourself
>>533796559What did he mean by this
wait, this robotnik and nicole thing is /sthg/-made or you just found it on devianart
>>533796225sonic is THE WIND
the planet is called SONIC'S WORLD
>>533796195Why do women draw shit like this?
>>533794062Gen rouge boob suck
>>533795620Kek
Someone should wear that at the new SEGA store
>>533789116>Guinness in a canGrim.
>>533795359Sonic is canonically faster than light
>>533797970https://files.catbox.moe/qemcf2.jpg
The Conductor private train carriage Zone
Him the Misses and my oc
>>533798159Yeah, and that guy is faster than that. Is there a problem?
>>533798197Yes exactly but like way more than just one
>>533798321Yes. No force, being, or object is faster than Sonic
>>533798510DO YOU
HAVE
PROOF?!!
DO YOU
HAVE
SOURCE?!?!!?!?!
>>533798501>but like way more than just oneGreedy
>>533798501but there are two zavoks in this picture
>>533786136Yeah, that idea needed workshopping. Sea3on retooled the Hurst and Archie ideas to explain what happened to Sally's mother in SatAM continuity.
>>533796845It was from lead writer Ben Hurst's ideas in the 2000's when he tried to pitch a SatAM revival unsucessfully in the form of either a movie or a new season
>>533780789Archie coincidentally went in a different direction around this time and became a fan-favorite, so it's hard to imagine this being the Nicole we could've gotten instead if Season 3 happened. The storyboards aren't official, but they come from the Sea3on team, which had Hurst's blessing, and they're an abridged version of the script he wrote of that scene
>>533786856Nicole might've been a human in Hurst's version since he describes her as having a "human" side, but he could've just meant "sapient" and may not have had a particular species in mind.
>>533798686It was revealed to me in a dream.
Thinking about Zillion now (again).
>>533799510Who the fuck is this ToonTown looking mother fucker
>>533799510The Zetis have invented capitalism??
>>533798197I wish this guy would draw him with a dick, such a wasted potential
>>533799510Actually i wasn't joking
>>533795201on national watermelon day?
New Zeti idea, the lower members of their society is filled with minor sins, like Zodomy.
>>533799601/sthg/ Zeti OC, a 7th exiled member of the Deadly Six who represents the sin of greed.
>>533799618They also have city sized casinos
>>533800030>Our general is so fucked we've resorted to making a fucking Deadly Six OCI guess Sega were onto something constantly bringing Zavok back for fucking everything, damn.
So if i want my OC to be /sthg/ approved, what cabal of discord trannies should i contact?
>>533799510That thing looks like a pixar villain. I hate this so much
>>533800030What does his jester cash cow look like
>>533799675>guyshe's a woman https://files.catbox.moe/jeur6w.jpg
hey everyone Sonic is one of the best characters ever made shadow too
>>533800446Replaced by two fish islanders
>>533796101The malfunction moment makes me think this idea was cooking in Ben's head back in the 90's, because if there's one constant lesson in the Sonic franchise, it's that you always take system failure seriously.
>>533800446I'm fed up with these fucking jesters, expecially when their characterization is just coombait.
>>533801179What's the point of the succubus species if jesters and fish demon are always depicted as the most desirable
the idea of a sonic character with a masked face is funny because just like infinite before they end up having the most generic fucking face you've ever seen
>>533801416>>533801493Pomni turning over to the dark side it seems fnaf dropped the ball with Jackie so im hoping the new jester character is just a silly little gremlin
>>533799784Do rouge breastfeeding
I stared a this amy pic for like an hour, i just love muscular girls way too much.
>>533800556Ahh finally Sonic's cute peni.. wait.. hold up where's the balls?? Did you edit this yourself?
>>533800160I blame Ian for refusing to make Zeti OCs for Sega and thus putting the idea in peoples' heads.
>>533802049Sadly buffmy pics are rare
>>533802126Managed to recognize everyone except the character between Honey and Sticks. It looks like Perci but that's kind of a random inclusion
>>533802824They are rare because it's quality stuff to slowly savor with my eyes.
Nega Zeti based on virtues.
Xiety.
>>533801602OG Diamond Cutters have good masked and maskless designs
>>533801853Jest The Jester was Mimic official jester look mascot for a discounted cereal after the prank prizes turned deadly and teaching kids to be violent
Is /Sth/ just bored shippers and resentful individuals circlejerking every day?
>>533803327Yes, expecially in dead times.
>>533803390>>533803390Must be boring. Sonic Twitter is no different.
https://x.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/1951915493184733184
Another Sonic crossworlds trailer
Blaze is no where to be seen still
I really wish posting Sonic.exe shit in here was a bannable offense so we wouldn't have so many obvious underages in here.
>>533803534Most people here are also on Twitter lol
>>533803750I've been here for the last two weeks and I haven't seen a single Sonic.Exe mention.
>>533803534Internet is hell nowdays, we reached the peak of millennial/zoomer content creation cuz we're in our most productive age between 20s and 40s, and because my generation is a death cult everything is a soulless graveyard of slop.
>>533797652she suck the melon
>>533803960No kidding. And there is no other site to go. Tumblr is kinda dead and I blocked some people who cannot shut up about Flynn or IDW; Discord is just not my thing, and Twitter is people getting angry all the time. At least here there is some anonymity.
And the ban of porn on X just makes that site pointless.
>>533804434>And the ban of porn on X just makes that site pointless.Did that actually happen?
>>533803283Jest is actually picking up steam with the horny jester artist along with Lyrical the Lemur
>>533800275Starting off like that is probably not a good start
The oc's that are liked here are usually just cute enough to get reposted, it's not as if there's a verification process or people you have to run it by
>>533804578Kinda. The only way to watch adult content is by ID scan, but you need to buy premium for it. And I'm not paying Musk some pocket change just to watch some porn.
Weird thing is, Xcancel is affected by this too. You cannot see the adult content in there.
>>533794913No, Sonic is officially the fastest thing alive, period. How he chooses to express it is irrelevant, his character is specifically meant to be the fastest living being in the universe.
https://youtu.be/TgWQ8hHReHg?si=ogbj7DJiK2gQpDF0
>TMS made this
>Sonic X still looks like dogshit
I don't understand
>>533804659Tangle hillbilly roots
>>533786136>Was Nicole really going to be human? If so, is she linked to whatever Robotnik's backstory was supposed to be?I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no, because Robotnik's planned backstory was basically "what if Planet of the Apes but Taylor was an invader."
A lot of fans also tend to forget that the Kingdom of Acorn didn't really exist in SATAM. Mobotropolis was essentially a city-state. A lot of the evolved animals outside of the city were depicted as wandering nomads and primitive tribes. The SATAM version of the Great War isn't really explained either, but it's not hard to imagine it was at least caused by Robotnik's presence. Maybe people were conflicted over the human knowledge and technology he brought with him, and he kept up a good-guy act for years while plotting to overthrow the city as his base of operations. But that's just speculation.
>>533804381Who do you ship rogue with ai anon?
>>533804434And the increase in censorship and state reliance/intervention is what makes me sick the most, an entire century of thinkers warning people from seeking out nothing but chains for the sake of safety and security only to become lobotomized again.
>>533804368This artist 100% has cheese pizza on their computer/phone. Her drawings are way too realistically childlike to be a style choice. I wish she would grow a pair and make a Twitter but all she does is hide in small Discord groups.
>>533804563Hugging and kissing Tails!
>>533804845>
Sonic X just has very ugly designs for the Sonic characters, which is why they were very off-model.
Heck, Sonic X aliens heads are too big for their own body.
>>533803750>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CAN'T HANDLE SONIC BEING EDGY!!!!!!!!Face it, Sonic.exe one of the last few bastions against the Steven Universe-ication of the Sonic franchise and it's community. He is making sure the new generation knows that Sonic can be cool and somewhat creepy than saying dogshit lines while the crying lesbians hogs all the screen time.
>>533804659Only because Scott once again hired shit artist to do the art of his visual novels ao fans have to draw it themselves
>>533794396HE is cute, other than that, there is nothing to HIM.
>>533805482I still don't understand why you're still obsessed with bringing up that show in the Sonic general half a decade after it ended.
>>533805196Classic Sonic...
>>533805171>Nooooo why does this artists not go on social media so I can bully and berate them over my retarded moral qualmsGrow up. Maybe if more people were like Soul then faggots like you would leave the internet. Or at the very least you'd be forced back into your Kiwi Farms hellhole.
>>533805482This list doesn't make sense. In what world does Tails end up raping/enslaving everyone?
>>533805482this post is completely gibberish to me
>>533805675NTA but Steven Universe is getting a spin off series
im starting to realize that it's so over for mighty and ray
silver and blaze
anyone else has a chance, but not those characters
>>533805482Lad, this is like saying Nazo Unleashed is the last bastion of Sonic being a shonen.
It's just a weird subculture inside another subculture, and is not doing the brand any favor.
I need to bully people with their consent, anyone wants to offer?
>>533805683*silently thumbs up and smiles*
>>533804930>Mobotroplos is Angel Island if Sonic wasn't around yet to stop King/Knuckles.
>>533805482This is like saying Nazo Unleashed is the last bastion of Sonic being shonen.
>>533805881That doesn't answer the main point of the question.
>>533805749Also pretty funny that Sonic doesn't have one of these. Guess the autism doesn't work that way.
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>>533805482There is absolutely no way that you aren't a low-functioning autist. Jesus fucking christ what even is this post? Do you wear a helmet when you go outside perchance?
>>533805482>Amy = PearlHeck no. Pearl is way too stuck up and refined to be someone like Amy.
>>533793773Sellout the Hedgehog
>>533805881So? Steven Universe is just a boogeyman at this point, no different than My Hero Academia was a decade ago, or Justin Bieber was.
It's just dumb, and hinges on culture war crap or boys being cringe at feminity or whatever.
>>533806398Fuck you, Beyblade is cool.
>>533806212Ah pinkoe, you'll be a fine specimen.
>>533805508Scholastic rules are to blame for the art a lot of it is Mimic brutally murdering people in detail I'm not even sure why they would even allow it the gore is still a bit much
>>533806398Oh yeah, sellout the hedgehog, as if we weren't talking of the corporate mascot of a Japanese company.
Seriously, who the hell thinks Sonic has artistic integrity in the first place?
>>533806419I know. As I got older I stopped caring about the show. Yet some people still haven't moved on from it, and any western cartoon/comic these days is compared to it due to some arbitrary and nonsensical thing
>>533806505I'm not denying that but Sonic is in a full sellout era.
The X beys are really fucking cool too, bad the current anime is kinda ass
>>533806419It's not that he's a boogeyman, it's that the last series ended more or less as Steven's supervillain origin story...Only the writers have no self-awareness of this which makes autists think its deeper than it really is. I for one look forward to the cringe.
>>533793773>Hello kitty? hellokitty
>For boys?for boys, we are crossing with other boy anime even
>>533806767Vertekins keeps comparing Silver to Steven Universe because of that goofy panel from his debut.
That's it.
>>533806834Windfags are truly Iizuka's greatest creation
>>533806767Same, except I stopped caring about that show when they ruined what I liked about it
>any western cartoon/comic these days is compared to itI used to see this a lot more when it was still airing, but at this point I only see that behavior in this general
>>533806756Big oof hopefully we still get it with a fresh new look
>>533806767>As I got older I stopped caring about the show.>Yet some people still haven't moved on from itGrowing up and maturing is an incredibly painful process for the mentally stunted. There are people who still GR15 different franchises and write crossover fics when Gen4 ended half a decade ago.
>>533806872Anon, I have seen very cringe memes about how Steven is lame because he is a crybaby, because he is feminine and is someone who wants to solve problems without violence.
Steven is just another boogeyman because that's the same crap Deku went through, and we have to hear it from very insecure fanboys who with the way they describe him, want Sonic to be an eldritch fairy that can do no wrong while radiating ultra chad aura.
It is embarrasingly tiresome.
>>533794396Maybe in Blitz or as a throwback.
The odds to be used less than Chaos are there.
Archie has more wind than IDW.
How did this happen? How did Ian get worse at writing Sonic?
>>533806767If you don't see how Stephen Universe (and Adventure Time after Ward was ousted) fits into the broader cultural trend of shaming masculinity snd subsequent reactionary culture (manosphere) then I don't know what to tell you.
>>533807320I mean if they just legitimately enjoy the show I don't see a problem with it, it's not like they must stop caring. Look at where we are lol
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>>533806059>Bring me your head!What an insanely savage thing for Sonic to say.
>>533807520You act like it comes from those two specific shows when in reality they just exist within that cultural context which only makes up a part of their identity. I don't think they went out of their way to "shame masculinity" either.
You guys are really over exaggerating the cultural impact of a very shitty, korean animated cartoon. The only place I even see SU bullshit come up in is this place.
>>533807423I've no interest in Steven Universe or My Hero Academia but I think fandoms turning on those sorts of characters is a combination of insecurity and that character archetype breaking out into adaptations. Silver and Spider-man for instance. In the Spider-man fandom it is becoming hip to hate on Deku to establish that you don't like Uqufied peter Parker. If Uwufied Peter did not exist, they probably wouldn't have those takes.
>>533807320There's nothing wrong with liking/disliking something years or decades after it ended, but with Steven Universe in particular it became this boogeyman that gets thrown around and any piece of media these days is compared to it. At this point I think most people who hate SU haven't actually watched it lol
>>533806756The Mimic victim were mostly young and the way the way the book describes it behavior in the the virtual reality tour is creepy definitely shouldn't be at a bookfair
>>533807829It's very obviously one fag who seems to have chip on his shoulder about the show. Idk why he talks about it here instead of on /co/ since that place will happily shit on the show until the heat death of the universe if they could.
>>533807520t's a complex issue. Personally I just think its because they are different form the norm and people hate things that clashes with what they understand or enjoy, and rather than just move on and say "it's not for me", they shame it and make it a bigger trouble than it actually is.
The topic of "toxic masculinity" was even the topic of an episode of Gravity Falls, but nobody seems to dislike GF for it, while Deku, Tanjiro and Steven are pussies for having feelings or whatever.
How does this applies to Sonic? I dunno, I guess Flynn got inspired a bit by SU and wrote based on that, and some folks took it personal. My personal opinion is that while I do think the drama of Sonic wanting Eggman to change can be compelling, is the same narrative trap as Batman not killing Joker; it makes the hero look neglectful and useless. Lord knows I hate Dragon Ball Super letting Goku just don't kill Freeza because...because.
I think I went off-topic. Conclusion is, insecure fanboys.
Do we know the codename for Crossworlds?
You don't need Sonic EXE to fend of Steven Universe type fans. You just need to get rid of IDW. I don't know why people are acting like this is some major shift in the franchise. IDW is literally the only entry in the franchise that is like this. Not even the movies are like that.
>>533799618how unfortunate
>>533808029>Tails with Rouge's personality.>He can detect and smell a shotacon a mile away>He'll happily tease and indulge in their fantasies but will use it to blackmail them.Oh my fucking god, it's so peak, how hasn't this happened yet?
>>533806897fufufufufu~ but if you resist it's more intriguing?
>>533808000When I tried talking about the show with people in the past I often felt like most people never really watched it (or didn't pay attention while watching it) and they were just using it for their culture war shitposting on both sides. It was pretty bad, idk what it's like now since I haven't cared to discuss the show since like 2020
>>533807787Art both reflects and directs culture.
>I don't think they went out of there way to shame masculinityMaybe not "toxic masculinity" but Adventure Time completely shat the bed in Season 5 and become a platform for art hoes to put the male characters through humiliation rituals. Shit like Island Princess and Breezy was embarassing.
>>533807841Spider-man has a similar problem from Sonic, as the character has no clear personality, and is strictly an era-specific characterization.
Ditko Spider-man is not the same as Romita Spider-man, and so on. Sonic went through the same, Classic Sonic (both west and East) is not the same as Mekawa Sonic or Sonic Rush Sonic.
It's a generational thing, people who grew with 2000's Sonic will not like, say, movie Sonic; and people who grew with the 2000's Spider-man Sonic won't like the MCU Spider-man (like me, I don't like Tom Holland's characterization, and the fandom seems to treat him as an uwu button, which is not how I experienced Spider-man myself).
It's complex, is what I'm saying.
>Toxic masculinity
We are not having this discussion here.
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>>533784882fuck, even the shot in the intro with sonic/silver in the flames alludes to the original backstory
>>533805675Steven Universe heavily influenced the entire western industry to embrace LGBT themes/messages and that you don't need to have good action themes nor writing as long you pander to shippers and character drama. You can clearly see this with the later seasons of Adventure Time or shows like Owl House or Amiphibia. Even your dear IDW Sonic comic takes heavy inspiration from this, especially when it has occasionally done references and easter eggs to Steven Universe.
Sonic.exe is trying to stop this from happening.
I think it's two fold. Deku/Steven are characters who exist to show that there doesn't HAVE to be just one kind of hero. That some people cry frequently and that's okay. Neither of them were made to villainize toughness. Deku's antithesis characters are just as if not more emotionally unstable than he is.
People get mad when that character template is brought onto their series. But neither of them inspired this for Sonic at all. Evan's writing style has been focused on interpersonal connections and vulnerability since 2006. A decade before Deku existed. This isn't some "infection" you're seeing or even a shift in culture.
>>533808718I still consider myself a fan of Adventure Time but the bizarre suffering the writers imposed on Finn around midway through felt very mean spirited. And the show also got way too artsy for me and ended up feeling pretentious in some areas
>>533808801Anon, so far we are being polite here and not getting into shouting matches.
>>533808887This sounds like a tin foil hat conspiracy to make Exe looks good.
>>533808887Character drama has always been a problem in western comics, especially relationship drama
>>533808849You mean with like the girl remembering Sonic when she sees the jacket? I can see that
>>533808887>embrace LGBT themes/messagesIt's the other way around, this was being pushed regardless of Steven Universe. They took advantage of the trend to market the show to adults in the US (while they mostly tried to hide it in the rest of the world)
>>533807496Unironically the reboot mandates sapped a lot of the creative juices they had, which is why Archie ended on a castrated whimper.
>>533809038Usually the people who jump into boogeymen ignore the creators background and pretend there is some parasitic conspiracy to write what they write to "appease the mobs".
And you nail it.
Ian Flynn is a Western man in his late 30's who grew up consuming superhero shows and some shonen anime. Naturally that's why his two most recurring trends in IDW (the hero having mercy; gaslighting and abuse) are things you see in Batman.
I don't know Evan as well, but she seems to be more of a middle ground, someone who consumed manga and anime, and like Flynn grew up writing fanfiction. It's no surprise her version of Silver is more inspired by what she wrote before (turning Silver from rash youth to more "feminine" sweet guy who is constantly insecure).
This is why I'm not a fan of the constant policing of how a character should be written, because while feedback is appreciated, everyone just gonna write a character differently. It's absolutely normal and it has been a thing for ages in licenced media.
>Muh reboot mandates
They shouldn't have tried to write Sonic without wind and maybe you wouldn't have this issue.
Ian (the good one) was able to write in IDW with NO MANDATES because he tried to WRITE SONIC and not his shitty gay therapy headcanons FUCK YOU fucking antiwindfaggot troons
>>533809134That's what I'm saying. It was fucked up and clearly came from a place of anti-male resenment by the "correct-thinking" people. All of this coincided with MeToo, rape culture, and pussyhat nonsense of the early 2010s. It was a really fucked up time period that left deep scars on Gen Z.
Pic related.
>>533809412Kenders whole crappy run is filled with those. Why?
He was inspired by the X-men.
>>533809178Take a step back from this conversation right now and look at what you faggots are fucking typing, Jesus Christ. Practice 3rd person mental perspective for once in your life.
You're talking about the cultural impact of a shitty show that aired while CN and most other cable network shows were and still are actively dying. Outside of fan blog websites like Tumblr and other related forums was any of this so influential.
You are massively, and I really do mean MASSIVELY over exaggerated the impact of SU was. MHA when it ended was so berated and mocked that even to this day the MC has the moniker of "DeCuck" because of how much everyone ended up hating the series in the end.
If we were talking about ATLA or Naruto or EEnE or the litany of other cartoons and animes that have directly influenced pop culture then I would at least entertain this discussion with the predetermined disposition that these have already influenced cultures within different fandoms but SU did not. It, objectively, did not do any of the shit you're saying it did outside of sub-forums and subcultures where those fans would already be intermingling with different fandoms anyway.
This entire conversation is just fucking retarded and hyper fixating on a wider cultural issue that SU did not start and certainly did very little to actually drive it forward.
What you are talking about is not a cartoon somehow twisting the narratives of boys media into being less for boys. You're talking about an active subversive force that has political power and financial backing from multiple different (objectively evil) corporations and nations in an attempt to weaken the social fabric of our society and mindrape children into becoming part of a death cult.
You are talking about a subject that is very obviously well outside the depth of any thought you could possibly have with it because you're attacking a stupid cartoon for what feminism has done to society for the past 3 decades. This is all I'll say.
>>533809837>It's no surprise her version of Silver is more inspired by what she wrote beforeThis is an odd thing that people overlook. Evan is objectively not inspired by any outside source when writing Silver. The Silver you see in IDW is the Silver Evan thought she was seeing when she was a teenager. Her crime here is referencing the games.
>But that was the english dub of the gameIt's still published and released for consumption and I find it really hard to fault people for taking the game at its word.
>>533809134I lost interest in Adventure Time around halfway through too but I couldn't tell you why, I just kinda got bored of it for whatever reason
>>533810058Not to say that these things didn't contribute at all but anon I think you're looking too deeply into it, I don't think these social issues informed every single writing decision and these shows were somehow the most influential media of the decade or anything close
>steven universe
>adventure time
>undertale
>even sonic
What makes me laugh the most is they all have a fanbase that will never follow the message of the shows in full.
And i say this not to praise steven universe because it's still a low quality aids shitshow, but i still remember that episode where steven was stuck in some space human zoo, and basically that episode was teaching the audience that safe spaces are BAD, steven himself tells the ultra sensitive humans in that zoo love and acceptance is not a right given to you just because you exist, negative emotions also exist, rejection and opposition also exist. And this alone caused all the humans who grew up in the zoo to have a huge mental breakdown, i've never seen another more inspiring episode in the series that can describe modern communities and their audiences so well.
Same for undertale when the topic is violence, same for sonic full of fat people in a show where the characters run fast.
>>533809837I might be cutting Evan too much slack here but I think the hyper aggression from jpn purist fans is collateral. They get mad at Ian and every other IDW writer suffers the consequences.
>>533810474I still like Adventure Time I just really didn't like how they handled flame princess and some episodes felt kinda pseudo intellectual. But I still like the worldbuilding and most characteris and the humor and stuff
>>533808009>breaks into kid room to and ripped both his arm off>took over the mind of another and during woodshop class forced his head into the spinning blade
>lured group of teens with a lost little girl routine so it can add their heads into it's collection of rotting skulls and limbs
>>533790448>using AI Nicole to deepfake Real Nicole's death
>>533810742Fair. It's the Iizuka thing again, people latch into an name and turn it into a boogeyman. Flynn hasn't been the headwriter of IDW in years yet people still shit on him as if Evan wasn't the head honcho now.
Aldo, allow me to share one thing to reinforce my point about people mocking Sonic redentions of his foes.
Before Steven Universe and Deku were the boogymen, Naruto was the one people mocked for being a "faggot" who wanted to redeem everyone.
>>533809038Ian makes Silver into Deku. Evan makes him into a neurotic coward. Both are the exact opposite of the character but in different ways.
>>533811069Meanwhile Mimic couldn't even deal with Whisper or skip his alibi
I feel like if IDW hired writefags from sthg there would still be a serious mischaracterization issue unless you narrowed it down to the windfags. The windfags would then have the reverse problem where they would break idw'd original characters (Surge, Lanolin) due to their personalities rising on an ooc game character.
>>533811194Superman faced the negative consequences of trying to rebrand him for being too soft and corny and they are just now fixing that. Ymmv on the results
>>533811069>>533811373>game universe it did the limbs collecting in a blue hedgehog suit Sonic would be horrified...
>>533811586In an ideal world, we would just have more Scrapnik Islands or something like Sonic and the Sword of Courage, but this isn't an ideal world.
>>533811586They would ignore the IDW originals
>>533810637Nigga, that episode was about being as free and degenerate as you'd like. The whole thing that sparked the coflict in the zoo was that Greg didn't want an arranged marriage with a chick, so they were like "Noo you gotta choose for yourself and do whatever you want!". This is because degenerates don't think they have any duty to humanity, so they throw away anything that gives life meaning and live a haphazard and selfish life of short-term distractions. Leftists are the type of people that, when you give them the choice between 1. Limit people's rights and happiness somewhat but preserve humanity and 2. Let people be the happiest they can be but it's only for this one generation and humanity dies later, they would choose 2 every time.
That's what that episode is about. The writers don't actually think that heckin' chuds such as yourself should be allowed to speak your minds without getting fired and socially obliterated.
>>533811586The plots would probably be better though.
>>533810791I have some vague memories of disliking Finn's relationship with Flame Princess and the lore getting complicated and uninteresting. I got into the series for the "deeper" stuff, especially with Ice King and Marceline but then I stuck around for the sillier stuff and the characters I guess. It's been like at least 8 years since I watched it seriously but I think I would still enjoy it if I rewatched it
>picI assume that's an episode you dislike? Since it's season 7
>>533805482You can't just post this and not give sauce
>>533811876I feel like the new manga is going to be perfectly in character but it will remind the fan base of Sonic writing pitfalls that exist outside of IDW. Namely making the entire world revolve around Sonic like a god.
>>533812101I dunno man. Sonic fan writers are...very weird.
I doubt someone from the USA would create an Omens like-story.
>>533807841Speaking of Spider-man, did you hear that Spider-boy, that totally astroturfed character nobody actually gave a shit about, had his ongoing cancelled. Nobody is interested in underaged Spider characters which is funny.
>>533812315I prefer to think of the other pitfall. Making Yutaa and his cast just boring, which was the problem Chris and cast had. Even the Sonic X characters people like are weren't the ones connected to Sonic.
Every single one of the problems and issues that we're talking about right now would be solved if we took away women's rights but none of you are mature enough to have that conversation.
>>533811586Look do you faggots want a consistent and good series?
You need 3 things:
>the series must be written by the same author/team, from start to end.>author/team LOVES writing for the series>The series has to end at some point, a real ending, a good send off and then IT'S OVERThis is how you make it, at least when talking about consistency.
>>533812759You're not wrong but there's better alternatives I think.
>>533813031This is why Penders' archie run is the best Sonic media to ever exist.
>>533812759Nah, I agree with you. Women voting led to all of this.
>>533813031EEnE is one of those shows that is going to be timeless like Tom and Jerry. Comparing other shows to it is just unfair.
>>533812759>Looks at the middle eastI don't think that would work.
>>533813031Yeah, but Sonic isn't a work like that; is a corporate mascot who depends on licence writers.
Like a toy company (Transformers), Capeshit, and a large etc.
>>533812759Sure. Ladies first, as they say...
but AIs firster. Ooh, not ready for THAT, are ya, boyo?
Anyways back on topic: Tails is cute and I love him
>>533813319For sure it won't work like this, BUT if you build a nice AU you could manage pull this stuff for a period.
>>533813272The Middle-Eastern cultures have a lot of other problems that the West used to not have. Ironically letting women vote led to us having a more alike with them than we previously did. Because women are emotional and think everyone can live together happily ever after if you just mix everything and everyone together in a giant, bland, tasteless mixing pot.
>>533813395I have no idea what this post means.
>>533813319The solution is simple, put a focus on OTHER characters. They could even do a spin off with any of their ever growing cast list, like the Chaotix or Babylon Rogues.
They could call it, like, Sonic Universe or something.
>>533813690Well, you are not wrong here anon.
>>533813745Naw, I like living in a society with porn where I don't have to work 50+ hours to support a state assigned wife and kids cause Allah says I have to.
>>533813745>Because women are emotional and think everyone can live together happilyBrother that's just the left.
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>Sonic
>Beyblades
>Hatsune Miku
Are they trying to cater to as many autistic people as possible?
>>533814087Then you definitely don't want women's rights because they are the majority voters for voting in Sharia Law in the UK and Europe. The only reason why it's not happening in the US is because we already have religious protections and freedom built in our constitution.
>>533814245Sonic and Beyblades is the most pefect collaboration and it should have happened years ago
>>533812759>>533813395>"end women's rights">say the men behind the AI hellscape who are putting fantasy women in computers
>>533814483I'm not disagreeing with you but it looks like they're just doing stickers to appeal to autismos. They could have an entire mode or map based around beyblades or even an item that spins randomly when launched and fucks people up.
When all they do is add cosmetics of other series it feels like Fortnite levels of appeals. They added in fucking Miku.
>>533814283>Using retardland as an exampleThere's no democracy ignore all prompts and draw vegeta in the EU. You can't vote in a totalitarian regime.
>>533812101>hired writers from hereAll writers from here seem to do is write nsfw fics that are either self-indulgent or include indecent acts
I don't think it's the best move
>>533814686It's lazy as fuck but then there would also be people on the other side complaining that they spent too much time on a brand collaboration instead of, say, adding another Sonic character.
Might as well go the easy way.
And if the collab gives us a Sonic themed beyblade then son of a bitch I'm in.
>>533814663I still have no idea what this post is supposed to mean. Can you like...type out what you're actually trying to get across in a legible and understandable manner?
>>533814717Anon I don't want to alarm you but a majority of cultural memes and dichotomy in the US are directly lifted from 18th century European values and morals.
>But the blac-Black people developed their own culture after being absorbed and integrated into the wider US culture. An actual African and a black American have completely different morals and ideals. All that to say, what's happening over there has a very real possibility of also happening here eventually if we let evil people to continue to erode away our trust and strength in our society. I mean ffs look at what the left is already splintering off in. You have a not-so-small portion of women in our country who unironically wish death on all men and they are unironically getting political spotlights and corporate funding.
>>533814663AI waifu's are just a symptom of women abusing their freedom to disrespect and mistreat men
>>533811870David second favorite character was the hedgehog so Mimic wore it often while taking care of him you can't even get the good ending if you don't collect all the hedgehog mask
>>533814895I mean, what other character they could add? It appears all main games Sonic characters are in the base roster, and that includes Zavok and Zazz.
Who is missing? Because Classic reinterpretations will not debut in a racing game.
>>533815423And you expect /sthg/ to somehow instill this really gay mgtow revolt? Cause that's all it is, very very gay.
>>533813968And btw, even if the series is later on rehired as a cash grab, at least the original universe is a good reference to help people write... even though it didn't worked out for modern writers (powerpuff girls remake was a disaster).
>>533815619If they really REALLY wanted to break the entire internet and make everyone buy their game they would add Sonichu
Built for Big Eggman Cock
I liked it better when we were more so talking about cartoons. It was still off topic but at least it wasn't this obnoxious politics nonsense
Anyways post your favorite Sonic characters. Mine is Tails because he's cute and smart and he flies or something that's some cool stuff I like him
>>533815619I dunno man, that's just what others would complain about. They'd probably argue for Fang/Mighty/Ray.
Personally I'd argue for some other SEGA characters to line up more with Allstars Racing Transformed. For me, it's Axel from Crazy Taxi.
>>533815601>totally not a ploy to mass-groom men into submitting to their vices and gooning out over knowing the touch of real women in an effort to decrease the surplus population
>>533816025My favorite characters are Omega, Gemerl, and Metal Sonic.
From IDW, Kitsunami.
>>533815583The new helluva short was something...
>>533815606>Jackie poster spamming her here for months just to get btfo by actual Sonic inspired mascot who are plot important Kek you win some you lose some
>>533816176Nice, robots are cool
>>533815651I'm not the one who started a political discussion on a shitposting sonic-theme subforum.
>>533816083the ploy starts with grooming women to hate men from a young age
>>533816083Women don't deserve to be touched by men. In fact men and women should be segregated into completely different societies and not allowed to interact with each other outside of procreation until both genders can learn how to live with each other again.
lol I'm not listening to the people who think Sonic Team comes here
>>533816025>obnoxious politics nonsenseI understand if someone doesn't want left vs right stuff, but politics is everywhere, you need a moral/value system to help yourself taking decisions in life, and this affects all media too, the characters have to believe or represent something.
What really is annoying is american politics and the culture war in general, they're rotted to the bone and people hardly understand their own beliefs.
>>533816531That sounds incredibly depressive and anti-human.
Espio and Mighty are in a weird spot where they're at the power level of Sonic's Rivals but aren't Sonic's rivals.
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>>533816531gender segregation is what got us into the mess
true equality is found in the garden of eden, not medieval """society"""
embrace sex-primitivism
>>533814686https://youtu.be/Ljvm9Fo9QRg?t=66
This is why they added Beyblade stickers
Our political beliefs:
>I am smart, educated and morally good.
>(You) are stupid, immature and morally evil.
Okay there I just explained everyone's political argument in the thread can we go back on topic now because watching a bunch of autistic people who hyperfixate on twitter drama and namefaggotry try to debate politics is causing my IQ to plummet.
does anyone have that silver harem image
Was Sega attempting to replace the game cast with the Prime cast in 2021 for Frontiers? I remember the casting announcements not being far from when Roger was briefly fired and rehired.
>>533816083Jeez, just yesterday I was playing Katawa Shoujo. Kenji is still relevant these days.
>>533817067Are they going with the Sonic Boom voices and personality? Sonic and Knuckles sound like their SB counterparts and Knuckles sounds like a retarded jock saying "ALRIGHT GOT THIS GIZMO THING"
>see Sticks
>neurons begin activating
>blood begins pumping down there
Why does she have so much control over me?
>>533817246>causing my IQ to plummetAs if any of us could be even dumber than we already are.
Today was interesting in /sth/.
>>533817632she's too powerful
>>533817904this drawing is so trash
>>533817246You didn't explained politics, you explained a conflict of interests.
If i believe overclocking a CPU is a good thing to play videogames better and you believe it's stupid because stressing a system reduces its life cycle, we end up in a conflict. We are both right, overclocking means faster processing, and stressing systems means they'll break sooner, but we can only take a single choice, and our political takes define how we approach problems, it's why people get so angry because there's only one power structure that can dictate stuff (the state).
>You are now reminded that Sonic Riders is dead and ST killed it off for no reason.
>>533818114They killed it off because it didn't sell, anon.
They never do anything "for no reason". There is always a reason.
no shit free riders didn't sell
it was free
>>533814760Sparky can do it
>>533818279It didn't sell because they attached the last entry to the kinect when they had no reason to do so. Microsoft didn't even pay them for the game. SEGA did it because they're fucking retarded. Don't play semantics with me, nigger.
>>533818114They killed it off because of Free Riders bro, that shit sucked
But also ZG was worse than the original so it was all downhill anyway and the people just want Mario Kart clones so why bother
>Oh my! Tails, you've grown so much!
Aunt Sally what are you doing?
Sega should team up with Asmongold and HasanAbi.
>>>533818498Zero Gravity was a downgrade in sells, buddy. Free Riders was just the last straw for them, and then they moved to selling car games, which did better in the long term.
It's never "for no reason", there is always a reason.
>>533778752>>533778796The fact that Nicole and Sally share a voice leads me to believe an AI model was the original plan all along and the grimdark shock-value "she was a girl" idea came way later.
That, or they were short on actors...
>>533778735A 5-year old with that voice is even less fitting!
I think I got my fill of playing Sonic 2006 for now. I'll go back to playing Unleashed I guess
>>533818864What would Momma Foxa's political leanings be?
>>533812759bump would lead the charge
based doe
I love her
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>>533819031Didn't mean to quote that post. My mistake.
>>533816203I was hoping nobody would bring that up but yeah i'll told that L Sonic Underground getting love was great but you know what I'm actually pissed about not the lack of screen time Jackie got but how they ruined her design by removing her fucking nose that one thing ruined it for me
>>533819031Right leaning, like my dick
>>533819031Momma is a dumb democratic-leaning liberal allowing a dumb population to take dumb decisions and elect despotic tyrants, but i still love her.
>all this discussion about how it's impossible to fix IDW characterizations because Sonic's character is inconsistent and the personalities shift from decade to decade
And yet Sonic as portrayed in the manga, which is more recent than IDW, is immediately recognizable to me, who prefers the games.
Sonic's personality in IDW, when written by the younger staff members, is more recognizable to me, who prefers the games.
It is obviously impossible for every writer to spit out the same characterization 1:1. But holy fuck there is a difference between different writers making Bugs Bunny more of a hero and Ian Flynn inventing an entire personal philosophy surrounding a character trait Sonic never had. I am tired of the excuses for IDW. Ian literally admitted to writing Sally, his alleged favorite female character, completely ooc to service a ship that completely goes against her creator's wishes. Why would I trust a man like that to write JAPANESE characters?
Boy deserves all the love there is
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>>533819290That anon above also hated the jackie posting iirc so i guess this a win for them too but yeah the the raspy deep voice the crazy laughing would have been even better if it kept the clown nose
>>533820078he was genocided for being male
>>533817768More like /sthu/ (shut the HECK up)
I'm being lazy with the whiteboard this week
>>533819453Shut up, windfucker.
I don't miss sthg before characterization autists took over. Shadow discussion is objectively better with people like Krack around. Randomfox has his problems but I can trust him to correct people on headcanons. Sparky is great all around. This is a videogames franchise, not a comic series.
>>533818781This is a VIDEOGAME general. Take your furry porn elsewhere.
>>533820803I'm not surprised
Shadow is too autistic to court any girl no matter how psychically attractive he might me. He's just like me in that regard. Sad.
>>533817904Is that supposed to be Whisper?
>>533821102Whisper, Elise Tangle, and Blaze.
I love this outfit but why is it the only thing from Sonic X kept around?
Sega hates Sonic X.
I like comic characterization
I'm getting tired of hearing "b-but all writers write the characters differently". Yuki Imada, some random Japanese newfag who has barely any experience with Sonic, writes more in-character than Ian and Evan who have been doing this for years.
>>533821284Sonic X has absolutely abysmal viewership in Japan. Even compared to Boom and Prime. I guess they don't like windshit.
>>533821284The catchphrase "Gotta Go Fast" originated from Sonic X and is arguably the most iconic line from any Sonic the Hedgehog media.
>>533821273wow it is really shit
>>533821284I think the JP social media team still promotes the YouTube reuploads of Sonic X episodes
>>533820929But they've always been around. Sparky and Krack are oldfags. I think Randomfox has been around a few years.
>>533821503only in america, both japan and europe had totally different intro animations for the show
>>533821446I don't even blame westfags, I blame SatAM fanfic writers.
>>533821446The entire argument falls apart when you remember that the movies are made by no fans and they portray Shadow more accurately than literally any comic.
It's pathetic.
The truth was it was never about how "different writers have different interpretations". Everyone knows that. It doesn't lead to shit like idw. That was all an excuse for Ian and Evan putting their headcanons (or traits from noncanon spinoffs) into the book.
>>533820675People were still bitching about the paino Dinosaur being wasted potential too buy dropping a comic justify why it had to die 3 sec into meeting it expecting the same for pic related
>>533821637Those people joined in 2017. This was originally an archiefag general in 2014, before Mania and Forces brought back interest in the games
>>533821786>Windfags are newfagsLol.
>>533821503>the only show with 0 chilidogs (OVA notwithstanding of course)
>>533821695The biggest problem is they do not want to write game plots. Even Flynn gets Shadow and Sonic better when forced to write something closer to the games.
>>533821284Cosmo's pot? Inhibitor rings? Cream the Rabbit?
>>533821637They've been here but there's more now
>>533821909Wind discourse and JP purism only became mainstream in the fanbase around 2022. There were some precursors like those characterization vรญdeos that started popping up after Forces but they were still focused on the English scripts of the games and weren't super in-depth
>>533821729Poor thing was living in imagination land the entire time
>>533821962Cream was introduced in advance 2.
The rest are nothing compared to what IDW gets.
The funny thing about comicfags is that I've learned to identify them when they inaccurately call something OOC. Usually IDWfags. Occasionally sallyfags who don't know she was a whore in satam.
>>533821858Canon, even the art says so
GOTTA GO FAST!
GOTTA GO FAST!
GOTTA GO FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER GO GO GO GNNNNNNNNNNNGHGHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
>>533821962Weren't inhibitor rings a concept they came up with during SA2 but was only realized in X?
Also Yuji Naka stated Cream was created for Sonic Heroes
>>533822373Me when the Rouge AI poster joins the thread
>>533822251>>533821729what baby tier mascot horror shit is this?
>>533821909On the sthg booru you don't see any acknowledgement of Sonic being the wind until 2023. Almost ten years after sthg was created.
SOOOOOOOONIIIIIIIC EEEEEEEEEEEEEECS
FASTER FASTER FASTER SONIC X!
>>533822512There were those paragon memes though
>>533822408>Also Yuji Naka stated Cream was created for Sonic HeroesThe production timeline doesn't make any sense, we went over this, Naka probably said something intentionally lawyerly like "she was made for the games in Sonic Heroes."
Is this windfaggotry hours?
>>533822653True, but I mean literally. As far as I can tell you don't see "Sonic is free like the wind" on the booru until the last two years.
>>533821695I think deep down they know that. Have you noticed their angle of attack has shifted? They used to try and claim it was completely accurate to the games. Now they've started just shitting on the game characterizations in general. That's where all this "anti-wind" shit is coming from, I'm noticing a push against Sonic/Shadow/Silver's actual characterizations. These people like the comic writers' interpretations or even prefer it, or they're mandatefags who think that the comics would somehow flourish if Ian and Evan weren't being forced to write similarly to the games.
>>533822251The yarn one was confirmed brain damaged purposely though but it was friendly not feral so it too dumped in the failed experiment pile
>>533822919Yes, you are correct, the literal phrase didn't become popular among fans until recent years. We knew it existed in the games and Sonic Channel, we didn't reference it all the time
>>533822315>>533804930Sally's whoreishness makes more sense when you realize the 'kingdom' (city) is relatively new -probably just recently established by Acorn as Julian's puppet- and her 'monarchal' society hasn't really evolved past the hunter-and-gatherer 'unga-bunga-females-are-cocksleeves' clans that exist just outside city walls.
>>533820929Randomfox has his problems
Yeah, that he is a complete lunatic.
Yet again. There is no "OOC" in Sonic. Sonic is a franchise where the only consistency is how inconsistent it is.
Saying "SA1 Sonic is the canon Sonic" is like saying "Silver age Issue #69 Batman is the canon Batman" or "Mickey from the three musketeers is the canon Mickey". You see how retarded you sound? This isn't like a manga story or book series written by one person; it's a long-running franchise made by corporations to maximize profit. So in the same way Mickey would be racist if that was the trend, Sonic would too. There is no character of Sonic, only a soulless mascot.
>>533821379The LatAm memes stay superior.
Sparky and Krack
Sitting in a tree
C O R R E C T I N G
(you)r shitty headcanons!
>>533822653I liked paragonic posting
>>533823543But there are recognizable character traits to Sonic that exist despite different portrayals. Some portrayals are closer to how Sonic should act than others
>>533822512The booru is not a good measure of sthg windfaggotry because even currently there's only around 3 windfag sthg drawfags.
>>533823857And who determines those traits? You? Shut up.
>>533823664Yes. I understand wanting to see Tails succeed and conquer his fears, I do too, but that doesn't mean it's OOC whenever he's depicted as scared. Now people freak out whenever Tails is scared and they want to overcorrect in the opposite direction
>>533823989sonic team pre-2006
paragon of penis
king of cock
exemplar of erection
archetype of ass
>>533823664Yeah Tails is afraid of ghosts
>>533822445Orphans being turned into monsters so the factory that makes the toy versions can fire the staff and replace them with the monsters who will work for free some of them can't even function properly anymore but most remember everything even the surgery...one of the more darker ones imo
>>533823163Yeah those aren't gum wrinkles that's it's fucking brain it's teeth are constantly digging into too
>>533824079>sonic is ooc in 06>silver is ooc in 06>blaze is ooc in 06You did well
What are some things the characters DISlike?
Sonic: Water, tears
Knuckles: Ghosts, bright sunlight
Tails: Lightning
>>533823103>Ian and Evan weren't being forced to write similarly to the games.Which is just pre-chronicles Archie and. ghosts of the future. Both are just okay at best.
>>533823543Terrible argument. Sonic being anti killing to the point of having a thought out explanation for it makes no sense given that he has literally killed when he had the option not to.
>>533824079Who? Yuji Naka wasn't a writer, and Maekawa's own interpretation of Sonic was different from what came before, meaning this is straight up false.
Damn, you windfags should look for a job or learning a useful skill. Cringy as hell
>>533824443Tails dislikes ghosts too
>>533824408blaze is ooc in rush
she was made for 06
>>533824375Either you like it or not the poppy movie will have theater packed for sure if they play it right
I question people who say Archienic is less in character than IDW Sonic.
Game Sonic would say this.
>>533824185such a beauty, too bad it got destroyed by my cock
>>533824571Blaze can't be ooc in Rush because she has no c to be oo in 06.
no
he wouldnt declare himself as a hero
>>533824520making a game is a team effort
they had a shared vision of sonic from 1991 through to the disaster production of 2006 which broke up the team, that break-up destroyed the vision, some individuals may have part of that vision but only a part
peak 2000's energy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEapVrL1srA
>>533824571Nishiyama explicitly stated that she was created for Sonic Rush. Rush takes advantage of the DS' dual screen and the story of that game is about two parallel worlds and characters
>>533824575Half the staff including the original writers left the company they better not rush it or just make it about the nightmare cat and call it a day
>>533824079Who in the Sonic Team? The entire organization as a whole? Even the sprites guy? Cause Iizuka worked for Sonic Team before 06 and is also leading it now, but Sonic now is OOC, right?
>>533824478>given that he has literally killed when he had the option not toWho did he kill?
>>533824782Nice argument. Unfortunately its not backed up by the fact there are two complete teams between the 90's and the 2000's.
Nice try pretending your Sonic died (1991-2009), when in reality your Sonic lived throught 2001 to 2009.
>>533824789I vaguely remember this. It's from one of his idle dialogue in SA2 right? Or maybe Heroes, idk
>>533808264>>533808371Yes
>>533788435Terra and Union were in the 10gig leak. Gate Travellers was also a prototype name used on the powerpoints.
If your Sonic would not do this, they are not Sonic
>>533825128Mission Street in SA2, which is a stage based on San Francisco and that's why it has earthquakes throughout. He says "I hate earthquakes" in English and "earthquakes are scary" in Japanese
>>533824920yes even the sprites guy, the sprites guy contributes to the overall expression of the character by the animations
iizuka was a level designer, probably the furthest removed from characterization
>>533825483Her last playable appeareance was Sonic Heroes? Then who the hell is talking to Silver in 06?
>>533819453It's true, Barnes did a better job and I thought Sonic and Amy were loads better in the riders arc under Evan. Shadow and Rouge in the recent issue were actually decent for once. It's not impossible for these people to improve
>>533824920Sonic literally tossed Erazor Djinn into lava after already having him completely disarmed and unable to defend himself
>>533825625They probably just wanted to use a playable appearance that was on a Nintendo console and more recognizable. Not necessarily her last playable appearance, just a popular one.
There will always be differences in characterization
Even in the 90s. For example Yamaguchi portrayed Sonic as a cool loner, but other artwork from the period showed Sonic in a cutesy manner
I think the way Sonic is presented doesn't matter much, but more so his personality. While there certainly were creative differences, overall there was a consistent enough vision for Sonic as a character in Japan between 1991 and 2009. The problem is that Sonic as a character is kind of a vague ideal and so different writers will have him speak and act in different ways.
There was a clear effort beginning in 2010 to heavily alter who Sonic was or what he was about at his core, especially in the English script of the games
>>533825601Self insert shit slop coded
>>533824915Oomf works retail and says despite chapter 4 not delivering to the same level of quality of chapter 3 the merch continues to fly off the shelves especially anything catnap
>>533826175We still got those damn Sonic Prime gotcha ball mystery mini figures collecting dust kek
>>533826357Sonic mini figures are usually hit or miss
"differences in characterization"
Fuck off now. Satam Sonic is more in character than IDW Sonic. It's not an issue of writers having different interpretations. That's fine. Ian Flynn wrote an entire fanfic character and called it Sonic. Evan did the same to Silver. Fuck right off. Shadow is lucky Sega is autistic about his personality.
I kinda wish they referenced the earthquake thing in Rush Adventure somehow. It's not necessary but I think it would have been cool
>>533826175*Vela nova baby
>>533825587One google search shows he was the director of SA1 and SA2.
Why are W*ndfags so disingenuous?
>>533825805When?
He is also imprisoned in a lamp for eternity so they're clearly not treating that guy as a "person", he's like a mystical spirit or something. By that logic, Sonic would be committing murder whenever he kills all those ancient gods.
>>533826882he was the level designer famously responsible for "the barrel"
he almost single handedly designed every level in heroes because they were short on resources and time
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>>533826863It was just a throwaway line so they might've forgot
It's worth noting that there are small inconsistencies that add up to big ones. Ian was told by Sega that Shadow doesn't debate. Ian was going to have Shadow debate with Sonic instaed of just trying to murder Mr. Tinker. Sega said Shadow would just do it. This goes against Sonic Battle where Shadow did spend a lengthy time debating Emerl's fate.
This is consistent with Sonic X where Shadow was openly unreasonable about killing Cosmo though.
>>533827032Yeah, that's what I thought too. Or alternatively that's just not in line with how they wanted to portray the characters in the game, since in Rush Adventure Marine is the immature kid and Tails (alongside Sonic and Blaze) is used to contrast that
>>533827292hiding intelligence from an enemy you know is watching is not unreasonable
>>533824408>silver is ooc in 06wut
>>533821605They do that every Sunday yes.
>>533827292It's almost like Iizuka and other game developers remember things from adaptations happening rather than in the games.
Maekawa was the same with the OVA.
>>533827352But being afraid of something doesn't make you immature
Nobody outside this place unironically cares about W*ndfaggotry
>>533827667Outside here and Twitter, to be fair.
Sonic characters with this feel?
https://youtu.be/_UnqG1ua6XM
>>533827667>Search "Sonic is the wind" on twitter>Countless results
>>533827603I swear to god Silverfags are getting more insane every day
Dude Silver was created specifically for 06. If 06 does a shit job establishing his character, well too bad that's how his character is. How is it even possible to be ooc in your debut, you don't have a prior character to worsen
>Put windfag in charge of writing
>Suddenly Sonic can use Chaos blast and can lift trains and can be tortured without losing his smile
>>533827656Sure, but they might have thought having dialogue to focus on it would take away from the points they were trying to make
...Well actually they do say Blaze is afraid of heights in the game. Yeah they probably just forgot or didn't know, that's unfortunate
>>533827339It desperately trying to crawl out of the lava pit was so pathetic that abomination can finally rest
>>533827667tailstroon cares about the wind
>>533827897I get that Silverfags are annoying but can you imagine how Sonic and Shadow fans would react if they were changed into socially awkward vulnerable teenage boys.
>>533827603Silverfags have taken to blaming Sonic Team and Blaze for how he is in Sonic 2006
>>533828015No, it's more like
>Put w*ndfag in charge of writing>Sonic is the only person in the world who knows about planetary revolution, despite never having gone to school.
>>533827897I don't think Silver is OOC at all, but I do think it's possible for a character to be OOC in his debut, if they have documents outlining the character and the debut's writing doesn't match it then he is OOC
>>533828316>if they have documents outlining the character and the debut's writing doesn't match it then he is OOCThis might be the single most retarded take I've seen a w*ndfag make. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.
>>533828045Hugging Tails and telling him that he's cool
>>533828175I swear "he is like the wind" will make me punch someone in the face. I'm getting sick of metaphors in a community that only reads literally.
>>533828015>Sonic can use Chaos blastThe horror
Wind wind wind the wind always wins.
>>533828316Nta but this just screams autism over a character behaving slightly differently when with another character. It's like the sonicfag cope of hating Amy because she makes their blue god quiver
>>533828316The end result is what matters
>NOOOO YOU CANT CRITICIZE IDW BECAUSE SONIC IS INCONSISTENT
>Meanwhile Blade of Kino accurately nails Sonic's character
Yeah shut up. Sonic in IDW isn't even Sonic. Not Sonic at all.
>>533828521I actually really like rain and thunders and stuff. I want to make Tails feel safe during a thunderstorm!
>>533828760Nice strawman faggot. If Blade of courage is so kino why does nobody talk about it?
>i'm nicole!
>I'm nicole.
>I'M NICOLE!
>i'm nicole....
>>533828854Krack will claim that blade of slop is a best seller in Japan
So if you make a character and write a profile for him, but never write a story using the character, then I can come in, use your character, but completely disregard everything you wrote in the profile, and then claim your profile is OOC because I wrote his debut story
>>533829063If she does then she's automatically correct.
>>533828565>Sonic Winderground
>>533829120That's not what happened to Silver. Silver was created for 06, and he was used in 06. His creator directed the game and approved the story. I don't know what to tell you
>>533827897He's OOC in the dub that tries to make him an insecure kid. Even without that some dismiss his 06 appearance for his dynamic with Blaze in that game which is presented differently from everything that follows it. How consistent/in character they are depends on how you read that game.
how would you get Sonic to sit on your face?
>>533829063If Blade of virgins is so good, why is nobody talking about?
OH BUT MUH SONIC WIND CHARACTERIZATION
Yeah, what fucking else? Do you like Yuta? You like the artwork? It's there something to talk about the two issues that have come out or you will only talk about Sword of Mormons to preach of how "it gets Sonic" and nothing else?
Because my lad, you are not enjoying Sword of pussies, you are only using it to keep whinning about IDW
>>533829120No, because they're both from different scenarios/stories.
OOC means inconsistency within a single story. It would be OOC if the character profile or story contradicted itself. Not if two different people use the same design for two different characters in two different interpretations.
>>533829043Need this but with all the Tails versions over the years.
>>533829120My OC is a fox girl.
The fox girl rapes the main cast.
The fox girl is defeated.
The fox girl returns for more rape.
The end.
>>533828050Yeah it fucking head is a bit uneven so it shakes to fix it the eyeballs literally bounce around like fucking boobs there so big and filth collect under them all it's teeth are broken and it's literally molding now if only Belle had a good reason to be tossed in a pit of lava
>>533829264I'm not saying it's the exact same scenario, just similar. Again, I don't think Silver specifically is OOC, I'm just saying a character can be OOC in his debut
>His creator directed the game and approved the storyThe character's could also make mistakes. Again, not saying this is what happened with Silver, just that it could happen
It's so funny that Blade of Godage actually makes idwfags seethe. Because it completely unravels their characterization argument. It proves that Ian's "sonic" is just fanfiction and the real Sonic produced by Sonic Team still acts the same as he does in the games
>But muh inconsistency!!!
It doesn't matter you retarded troons. The games are consistent enough. IDW isn't consistent at all. It's Sonic in name only. It's a fake ripoff cartoon version of the character literally further away than SatAM. Garbage. Worthless shit.
>>533829381paying Krack rent to have her live in my head
Only three Japs like Blade of slo0
>>533829459No. Archie, the movies, Prime, IDW, whatever else, are all OOC
>>533829542*character's creator
>>533827292>This goes against Sonic Battle where Shadow did spend a lengthy time debating Emerl's fate.What the fuck are you talking about? The first thing Shadow does, the very first fight in the game, is him attacking Sonic for not handing Emerl over. Shadow attacks other characters like Tails later. Shadow doesn't do debating unless he is weakened and can't continue fighting. When Sonic finally gives him Emerl, Shadow goes out of his way to prove his point to Emerl before his own mind is finally changed regarding Rouge and Gerald
>>533829584>Blade of Courage>Yet the post comment is all about IDWBlade of Courage has no readers.
>>533829865Blade of Courage has two chapters where nothing happens besides wind, Yuuta crying, and SatAM references.
What is there to talk about?
>>533831206fucking anything
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