This is the Alphys hate club. I hate Alphys.

>>714335956 (OP)
Everything about this character is unlikeable. Not a single redeeming quality. None . Everything about her sucks. The underground wide be better off without her

I would hatefuck Alphys.

>>714335956 (OP)
You're too late. Toriel is the one we all hate now.

gay thread

>>714335956 (OP)
Look at this dumb bitch
Someone should drink her dumb combo juice in front of her

i would tonguefuck that dinosaur like a manwhore after enabling her to yap about yaoi for four hours and take the beating from the gay fish on my way out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o30nPgOgfv0

>>714336250
ok

Hating Undertale characters in general makes sense but yeah Alphys is exceptionally awful.

I not only love Alphys, I want to turn into her. I want to wake up one day transformed into a sweaty, fat lizard weeb

>>714335956 (OP)
I love Alphys, she'd be a great girlfriend, nerdy and loves videogames, I'm not as into anime but I bet she loves the deranged hentai and shit too, ideal thick chubber girl body, she's smoking hot in that dress
not to mention she's yellow
god damn I'd spend all day smashing her in her lab, she'd never get any experiments done
definitely worth staying in the underground

>>714335956 (OP)
ITT: Chujin reaches us from beyond the grave

>>714336170
This and it's the worst sex you'll ever have but on the upside lizard pussy sexo and you can call yourself a total seasoned sicko afterwards

>>714335956 (OP)
I hate Undertale Alphys
Deltarune Alphys is kind of chill

I want to set her lab, figurines, and anime on fire, then beat her to an inch of life, not giving her the mercy of death

>>714337386
Deltarune Alphys is more likable than Noelle

>>714335956 (OP)
Undertale Alphys is unfortunately very underwritten but at the very least she has the capacity to understand how badly she fucked up and that she sucks for it.
Deltarune, however, has made me profoundly emphatic for her. She really just is the butt of every joke, while the worst she's done is just be embarrassing about anime, a characteristic shared by 1/3rd of the cast, and a solid 80% of the game's audience

>>714337678
Empathetic, not emphatic, that's for emphasis. Apologies for the ESL moment, I'm still trying to get it right.

This isn't the thread, isn't it?

>>714337745
Most people don't even realize they're separate words keep it up mate

>>714337420
I wanna teach Alphys about A. how some humans are furries and wanna sex lizard girls, and B. sex. I mean I'm gonna do both, do you think she'll be traumatized by it, into it, or both?

>>714337829
what do you think?

>>714335956 (OP)
NGMI

>>714335956 (OP)
The only good thing Alphys has brought is bbw porn

Hey
The black shards may imply the Knight doesn't change appearance in the Light World
The knight also wouldn't look any different in an Undertale style battle screen

Reminder that Alphys cheers for Krusie in Deltarune. Her redemption arc will come.

See, I like fat, shut in stinky neet weeb girls (Hey Ladies I'm Single ;^] ) but I too would also take great pleasure in caving alphys skull in with a wooden club. I don't even hate her personality or anything, i just find her pathetic, and that make me find her repulsive. She's nice and obviously tries to do well but is such a social and professional failure that killing her seems warranted. So yeah, I'd choke her out, beat her and then fuck her to death.

>>714338581
>>714338665
Nevermind, shes baseded

>>714338656
Not defending Sans, but he might have the death count face-reading thing from his run-ins with Flowey
No I'm not saying he remembers you're or he's genocides, all monsters have a slight deja vu feeling when people fuck with the flow of time, and that might be how he recognizes the face of someone who's died a number of times
Just felt like bringing that theory up

Undertroon
Deltatroon

>>714337678
>has the capacity to understand how badly she fucked up and that she sucks for it
Cool, cool. Tell that to the amalgamated abominations she keeps locked in her basement. or the families who never got any closure.
>Oooohh I'm so bad I'm so awful oh I'm a terrible person
>but doing anything to change? lol, no
It's the worst type of self awareness. The person who coddles themselves with self-loathing because it's still easier than actually confronting their flaws.

>>714339142
How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast this morning?

New Tenna lore from Tobert
https://x.com/tobyfox/status/1940556946651992081?t=iSYZZbPcW9MeakHois87HA&s=19

>>714339142
>>but doing anything to change? lol, no
Anon, she literally came clean, apologized, got fired, and reunited the amalgamates with their families. What the fuck more did you want her to do? Postrate herself naked in front of you and beg for forgiveness from you, the player?

>>714339398
Not that Anon, but yes.

>>714339051
>a slight deja vu feeling when people fuck with the flow of time
Then every single monster in the Underground should be full schizophrenic from the hundreds of times Flowey fucked with everyone down there. He says it himself, he did EVERYTHING. He reset until everyone had perfect happy endings. He reset until everyone was in a miserable hell. He reset to dick around randomly to keep himself amused.

If even the tiniest fraction of a fraction of time resetting stuck with them then all they'd feel weird about is Flowey due to the sheer scale and volume of his timeline rape. Frisk wouldn't even register.

Read this gay faggot slop:
archiveofourown
org/works/67010719

I think Undertale Alphys is actually pretty funny but Deltarune Alphys exists solely for bullying

>Sans is Ness
>Dess is Ness
>Susie is Ness because Kris is Jeff, Noelle is Paula and Ralsei is Poo
Are there any other fucking Nesses I should know about?

>>714335956 (OP)
Fat bitch

you will be masturbating too futa susie today, anon. this is a subliminal message brought too you by the homo globo mafia

>>714339342
We already saw his nose turn into a flower when Susie told him they would find him a new home

>We're inventing a Hall of Fame just for You!!!

>>714335956 (OP)
Did nothing wrong

Alphys just fucking sucks. Ugly, fat, stupid, annoying, evil, tasteless, dyke. Not one even remotely likeable thing about her.

>>714335956 (OP)
I'd rather the Alphys Rape Club

I hate faggots

>>714339571
>sans is steven after not surviving
>sans is ness
>dess is also ness
>dess is the knight
>therefore steven is the knight

Toby redeemed Alphys by letting you bully the fuck out of her at every opportunity in Deltarune. I think that's his way of saying sorry for her entire existence in Undertale.

SNOWGRAVE IS AN ANAGRAM FOR WRONG SAVE
ANDREW HUSSIE'S MOM'S MAIDEN NAME IS HOLIDAY
SANS IS A DRUG DEALER
FRIEND INSIDE IS REFERRING TO FRIEND POSSESSING DESS'S CORPSE TO BECOME THE KNIGHT
THE REASON WHY SANS HAS ONE HP IN UNDERTALE IS BECAUSE ASGORE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM IN DELTARUNE

>>714339530
bros...

I will have my FREEDOM.
If I am not given my FREEDOM then the Angel will have Heaven.

>>714339530
jackington...
cute...

>>714339826
Why do people keep calling him jackington that's the snake dude his name's Jackenstein like Jack O Lantern + Frankenstein

>>714339398
Oh I'm sorry, she came clean? When? In True Pacifist? When Frisk forces the issue by uncovering the full depth of her wrongdoing?
>but she leaves a note! she invites Frisk to come and investigate and by proxy allow herself to be redeemed!
Because she's a spineless cunt who wont go through with it without someone making her do it. If you go and do Neutral again instead of stopping by True Lab, you don't get a special ending where Alphys exposes herself when its clear you're not coming to do it for her.

I have no enemies.
No one in DELTARUNE is my enemy.
I hope to be friends with everyone in the future.
I have no enemies at all.

>>714339803
>SANS IS A DRUG DEALER
qrd?

I need Susie (justifiably) freaking the fuck out when she discovers what exactly is going on with Kris and (You)
I need Vs Susie 2 that has Wise Words in it
I NEED the anguish of these characters NOW

>>714339792
>you can spill Alphys' favorite drink in front of her AND progress without having to make another because she's so used to Kris being like this that she doesn't even bother
Sometimes that little shithead is alright.

>>714339924

>>714339881
whoops
I was swept away by his cuteness

>Carol December Holiday is an anagram for Berdly Cloaca Hemeroid theory

why is the Roaring Knight just straight up Dark Samus that crawled straight out of a Zelda game too be a boss in deltarune?

>>714339881
Because we have Jackenstein and Jockington so wires get crossed and we end up with Jackington

>>714339530
it'd be really silly if deltarune led into undertale somehow

>>714339986
Fair

What if snowgrave literally ends with Noelle freezing the entire world and turning it into a snowglobe, where in the center are Kris and Noelle, dancing while puppeted by the SOUL, for eternity.
You can then buy the snowglobe as merch from fangamer.

>>714339530
I wanna believe this but Susie has to memorize his letter specifically because things he writes in the Dark World won't show up again in the Light World
The doodle wouldn't exist anymore after the fountain is sealed

>>714340056
Tony "The Plagiarizer" Fox commits another horrible crime

>>714339881
>>714340076
It would be really fucking funny if the Festival is Halloween themed and everybody dresses up in costumes so Jockington can dress up as Frankenstein and call himself Jockinstein

post dessriel

>>714340345

>>714340345
here, faggot, I hope one of them fuckes the other in the pussy with they're cock
>>714340252
iim not complaining. its just INSANE how the Vibes of the knight is so Dark Samus esque and no ones talking about it AT ALL, Hell Im shocked no one has even made a Black Knife cover using the Metroid soundfonts yet

CATTI AND JOCKINGTON WILL BE IN CHAPTER 5'S DARK WORLD
TRUST.
THE.
PLAN.

>>714339946
>I'M THE KEK CAGE, WITH HUMAN SOUL AND PARTS!

>>714340056
>>714340452
It's just a trope, no?

>>714340212
Ah, FREEDOM JUICE my beloved.....

What was his fucking problem?

>>714337386
you only say that because she doesn't have Kris's phone number
yet

>>714340651
He lacked a second cup to do it twice

>>714338656
Sans confronting the most importing being in the universe vs. Sans brushing off some moody teenagers because it's not his job to babysit them
I don't know how anyone forgot that in Undertale Sans is trying to be your friend for a reason

>>714340580
you need too be specific. a trope of what? they both have numerous design motifes that trigger my pattern recognition brain.

>>714339803
>SNOWGRAVE IS AN ANAGRAM FOR WRONG SAVE
OH SHI-

>>714339483
Nice fagslop, anon

Some findings regarding the number 11.
Does the number 11 appear anywhere else?

>>714339924
>>714321089

sniffffffffffffffffffffff

>>714340883
I imagine chapter 4 was supposed to come out in 2024, which would be 11 years since the undertale demo

>>714340883
In numerology, the number 11 is often considered a "master number," holding special significance and representing spiritual awakening, intuition, and new beginnings. It's believed to be a sign from the universe or guardian angels, suggesting a connection to a higher purpose and encouraging trust in one's intuition.

>>714340963
you're not gonna sniff anything from the soles of a boot besides maybe some dogshit susie stepped on

Sans isn't a drug dealer, the reason for his mysterious behavior is clearly the agenda that he works for that grants him the outsider knowledge that he has.

>>714340651
Kris has Level 3 Guts now, they don't give a fuck anymore

>>714341047
That's called a cartel, anon.

>>714340806
Good to see someone enjoyed it like i did

>>714335956 (OP)
I managed to beat the knight but now gerson is kicking my ass really hard...
well atleast the time as to restart the fight is even less than the knight...

>>714341035
>put two numbers together
>regular autists: that looks cool I like that
>advanced autists: actually its very special for reasons because it just IS okay

>>714341043
that's what kris wants, proving irrefutably that kris is a feminaininenien

>>714341047
Perhaps it could have something to do with the missing font skeleton who was a scientist and became a god like being, who Sans has a weapon named after

>>714341035
Isn't "11" technically an angel number?
>Angel numbers, as defined by Doreen Virtue and Lynnette Brown in 2004, are numbers consisting of repeating digits, such as 111 or 444.[21]
1225 is also an Angel number if we use this definition:
>(spirituality) A number or sequence of numbers that a person frequently notices in the world around them, believed to be a message from benevolent angels.

We are veering into schizophrenia with this, so I'll leave it at that, probably just a fun coincidence. That said, I'll definitely pay attention if we get repeating 11's again.

It should have been Papyrus x Undyne

WHERE IS PAPYRUS

>>714340651
>that cough
is alphys working with kris?

>>714339889
tummy......

I don't know why people are so insanely bothered by Alphys

>>714341043
Anon, sniffing dog shit is what dogs do, he totally would do that

>>714335956 (OP)
Fat lizard ass.

Thoughts?
>>714341285
Train susie's healing by using it in battles, up to a max of 30 healing stat in the powers section. This improves health gained and lowers TP needed.
Gerson deals a percentage of health, so forgo defence in favor of magic.
Attacking and Rude Bustering still helps as it increases his invisible mercy meter, and so does healing
I believe in you, it's not nearly as hard as the knight

>>714341489
they dislike her because she is a lesbian and channers are predisposed to view lesbians as a threat out of fear of being cucked.

our boy (female)

>>714341573
i want a kris ftm boy friend so bad, bros

>>714338656
I wouldn't be surprised if he develops the skill because of what happened in Deltarune. The fact that THAT song plays the night that Sans fails to get what was happening to Kris and Susie feels like he's regretted that moment.

>>714335956 (OP)
>Get amped to watch the rest of the series
>Thought it ended with Ch3&4
>It's another fucking cliffhanger
>Ch5 is the apparent actual end (because the game had this somethingsomethingsomething "five chapters then it ends" with the prophecy somethingsomething ingame.

Fucking hell I hate this.

>>714341489
Because she annoys you several times with shitty phonecalls about nothing and then you find out all the stupid crap you put up with through Hotland was her fault

I don't know if icebergs are still a thing but the schizotheories makes me want to make a Chapter 3+4 edition, though I don't know much about what font (or size) to use

>>714339946
I feel like Susie would reject (You). She'd hate the idea that what she's done has been at your whims. In the end, she's a bit too dumb and a bit too good nature to be okay with us puppeting Kris how we are

>>714341285
Like the other guy said, spam her heal
since you don't die, you keep the progress on it, so eventually you'll just start the fight with the best heal Susie can have

>>714341625
kris isn't ftm
he's just kris (female)

>>714341640
>Ch5 is the apparent actual end
Anon, I...

Kris is a fucking boy. Not a girl, not nonbinary, not any kind of tranny, he's just a boy.

Someone should make a mod that fully adds the unused board 3 back into the game and fills out all the blank dialogue I'd play it

>>714341489
she's kind of annoying in Undertale, but the thing that leads to all of the hatred is that she makes the cardinal sin of being annoying AND being a woman

>>714341564
That'd be stupid, why would temmie suddenly be so relevant?

>>714341489
She's extremely annoying in her part of Undertale and then you find out that that entire part was her fault and THEN you find out about all the fucked up shit she was keeping locked up in the true labs
Her only redeeming qualities are being a lesbian and that's not an exaggeration.

>>714341640
There were seven Chapters planned, anon...

>>714341768
(female)

>>714336836
weird but also nice

>>714341768
Put the dress on Kris. You have to look pretty for Berdly.

>>714341768
Correct.
Kris is a boy, not because "you're supposed to self insert" (you're not and you're a retard if this is what you took from Deltarune) but because that's just what he is.

>>714341768
thats not what my porn folder says anon

>>714341768
>Not a girl
>noelle is attracted strictly to girls
>is attracted towards kris(in weird route)
checkmate

>>714341489
She's everything awful people made Berdly out to be, and worse yet she's responsible for multiple crimes against life itself between the Amalgamates and Flowey.

kris is a cis man who has had vaginoplasty

kris uses they/them pronouns because they find it funny when it annoys others

>>714341489
she fucking spineless to borderline ridiculous degree
wastes time fiddling around the the undergrounds potential way to escape
hides her failures, ignores questions about them
tries to act cool with the line about how she should have killed you
that's just Undertale, too. In Deltarune...
even more spineless, to fucking students
pushes her own problems onto her students

When I first played chapter 3 i thought Tenna said "the sensation of your scream" and thought he was evil

>>714342010
This is the best response and the canon reason.

>>714341968
Where does it say anywhere that Noelle is lesbian?
And even if so, it's pretty clear Weird Route mindbreaks her into loving cock.

>>714341968
>noelle is attracted strictly to girls
According to who

>>714336836
>>714339889
>>714339142
BELLY

there NEEDS too be more Cuntboy kris art i cant BELIVE the fangirlies only covered that back in chapter 2 HOW in the WORLD have more mentally ill women havent drawn more of this specific fetish I have

>>714342117
>>714342123
the virokun ad in ch. 2

I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle I love noelle

>>714342080
This is much, much better than Dess being the Knight tbqhwyf

>>714342080
I know this is mostly just to meme, but
>chara
>freakishly powerful
>roaring knight wants to bring about the roaring

>>714342205
That means she's attracted to girls, yes, but not necessarily exclusively.
I think that's why they use "sapphic" instead of "lesbian" these days. Lesbian is exclusive but apparently bisexuals can be saphic or whatever. I don't fucking know, the rules change every god damn day.

Are "people" still denying that Kris is not Deltarune universe's Chara?

People say the 2nd girl is Noelle, but it just makes more sense for it to be Susie based on Gerson's description of her

>>714342080
>freakishly powerful
No he isn't
>is trying to bring about the roaring
No she isn't
Secondary faggot image

>>714342080
Chara didn't give a shit about anyone
>tries to possess Asriel because he'd never willingly agree to kill her village
>so hateful of her human family she wanted to kill her village

>>714342285
But Dess is Asriel's girlfriend

>>714342413
Nope, thats Kris's girlfriend

>>714341489
The same people who pretend to be butthurt about how monsters in Undertale are all dindus are genuinely butthurt about the one monster who actually regrets what she's done and tries to set it right

I like Alphys because she's a broken self hating autistic nerd like myself.

>>714342326
If Suzy = Susie, then Frisk = Kris. Simple as.

>>714342456
Kris probably had a crush on her, but she was Asriel's actual girlfriend

>>714336617

>>714342334
I'm a Noelle prophecy twist believer but fuck I just realized
>she has a sword because pens turn into swords and it's metaphorical for the white pen

>>714342389
>No she isn't
If you think team Kris/Carol/Knight isn't trying to start the roaring, you're not paying attention

>>714342326
I'm withholding any judgments on who Kris is "supposed" to be until we get far enough to learn real details about Kris' past, something Toby clearly has a vested interest in exploring.

>>714341884
thanks!

>>714342586
Then explain why the fuck Carol/Kris/Papyrus/Knight/Ralsei haven't gone out in the night to open 20 fountains and just get it over with?
Hard mode: no waiting for the right time.

>>714336836
>wanting to wake up as an Atlus fan
But why?

>>714341664
I get the opposite vibe, Susie's okay with their adventures and people they meet technically not being real, she wants them to go on forever, and she doesn't really bat an eye at the weirder shit we make Kris do like talking without moving his mouth, ever sine (We) showed up her life has magically improved and we don't know Kris's endgame, could be something she'll hate where we are the better option.

>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

>>714341968
don't forget that berdly is also only attracted to girls
and kris

>>714335956 (OP)
She just needed sexual correction with a male of her species or a human male.

>>714342586
If they wanted to start The Roaring why haven't they done it yet? If they just started opening more fountains there's absolutely nothing You could do to stop them fast enough.
Maybe you should think about why The Knight has a Titan-killing sword and why Kris is trying to get Anti-Titan armor

>>714342586
Susie and Ralsei in Chapter 4 Castle Town outright have a discussion about The Knight's motives, pointing out that they could've and should've fucked everyone's shit up lethally if destruction was their goal.
Likewise, they could just ran around town breaking into buildings to open Dark Worlds in rapid succession, creating such an overflow of darkness that it starts The Roaring before Kris is woken up by Toriel in Chapter 1.

>thread deletion imminent

>>714342746
There absolutely is some contrivance that prevents the average joe from just creating a dark world, it just hasn't been elaborated on yet. Much of the dark fountains are still a mystery.

It probably only works in places where the darkness underground is closer to the surface than others.

Reminder to report spammers and off topic posts.

>>714342890
This entire thread is off-topic as it belongs in >>>/vg/

>>714341489
She SHOULD be smart enough to handle a lot of things, but she wastes her time on anime and being terminally online.

Oh. ABIB's here to do it for free again, huh.

>>714341640
>newfag no games yt watcher drooling retarded nonsense

>>714341823
She introduced the egg. Toby would totally make the eggs a pointless joke.

Why are puppets associated with cats in deltarune anyway?

>>714342746
Opening one requires spending Determination, you can't just spam it. Or at least not without a human soul, and we're the only game in town, currently.

>>714342586
>ralsei says in chapter 4 that if the knight wanted to start the roaring she would already do it
>the knight shows in chapter 4 that if she wanted to start the roaring she could do it in less than a minute
>"um actually its the ROARING knight its just really incompetent"

>>714338656
Is it me, or does Sans come across as kind of an asshole in Deltarune? I watched a playthrough of UT recently and he was much more tolerable and genuinely friendly. Is it just me?

>>714342879
>There absolutely is some contrivance that prevents the average joe from just creating a dark world
Ralsei freaks out in Chapter 2 because Berdly was about to create a Dark Fountain within a Dark World and summon a Titan
There is absolutely nothing stopping Kris and/or The Knight from opening as many fountains as they want and summoning the Titans if they wanted to

>>714342932
Explain how this thread is off topic, since you have such strong opinions on it.

>>714343010
No, that's something Andrew Hussie would do. Toby (now) understands that building up to a mystery only to give the player/reader the middle finger and tell them their shit is stupid ultimately just makes for an unsatisfying experience.

>>714341656
There is a website you can make them on, with links to sources for each entry.

>>714342746
>>714343023
Oh, also, while Ralsei knows what Kris is doing, I don't think he approves

>>714341489
1. Her core personality trait is being obnoxious.
2. Basically everything Mettaton does in Pacifist is on her orders, as part of a manipulative attempt at making herself seem cool.
3. She got up to some fucked up shit in the True Lab that she covered up by keeping the people she resurrected imprisoned in the dark, instead of doing the right thing and letting them go.
I personally like her, but it's very easy to see why people don't.

>>714342861
>>714343027
It's almost like Susie and Ralsei are misinformed about what the Roaring actually is and what it is for!

Are you ready?
For the day that everything ends?
When Deltarune is released...
And the wait no longer a problem...
Are you ready?

>does everything Sweet Cap'n Cakes wish they could have done, and are remembered fondly, revieving fan art daily

KNEEL BEFORE THE POWER OF MIKE

>>714341573
I try to compromise with the notion that Frisk is "female", Chara is "male" and Kris is "male".

I argue that Chara is male because more male players than female players go extreme when it comes to completing games. Chara being such an aggressively controlling entity is also always seen as "toxic masculinity".

>>714343060
could be that only very few specific buildings can have dark fountains in them, like if they are connected to the river of darkness underground.

>>714343102
I've seen some theories that when Ralsei forces us to view susie events that he's talking to kris. How likely is that to be true?

>>714343169
no I'm not ready

Can someone post that image with asriel and papyrus knight again i love it so much

https://x.com/hollyrogerbay/status/1940541240963223779

Turns out the prophecy is probably lyrics to "The Legend"

>>714343185
>NO FUCKING IMAGE
FUCK MY RETARD INCEL NIGGER LIFE

>>714335956 (OP)
i dont really hate her, she was a bit annoying but that was on purpose

when i see her so depressed and defeated after the Mettaton fight, and after the real lab section, i feel for her, she obviously has to carry the weight of her mistakes on her shoulders, but she doesnt have the strength to confront the families of deceased people she turned into determination freaks, you can find unopened letters addressed to Alphys from the families of those monsters in her lab

>>714341640
so this is the average youtube nigger...
your retardation is most impressive.

>>714342772
You wouldn't get it.

>>714340221
Okay but Undertale is a Dark World, ever though of that?

>>714343023
I'm like... 60% sure that what we have isn't DETERMINATION, considering the very deliberate lack of that word in the save spots, the lack of yellow in said save spots, and gaster (?)'s message when you die to the knight's final attack.
Having said that, I don't know what would be the reason we're able to save and load if we don't have determination, so maybe my theory is moot.

>>714343260
WHO'S MIKE?

>>714342812
straight characters do not exist in Western Media anymore, they are always "bi" or gay.

>>714343169
Friendogeny mogged all these shitty fan designs so much it's unreal

>>714343197
>Chara being such an aggressively controlling entity
Buddy. Woman LOVE being control freaks. Why do you think they love the Sims?

>>714343185
The funniest thing about the Mikes is that they LOOK anti-theoryfag but there's actually more FRIEND theory bait in there

>>714343223
Most likely

>>714343029
That's pretty much everyone's takeaway. It's crazy seeing him go from universally loved to being so widely hated.

>>714343289
THAT IS
FUCKING STUPID

I love Susie

>>714343197
>loves chocolate
>emotionally manipulative
>outwardly sweet but inwardly cruel
>when reunited with her loving brother grinds him into the dirt without a second thought because he's no longer useful
Chara is a woman

>>714343269
I probably wouldn't, but I do like fat lizer butt and tummy.

>>714343245
>The Prince of the Dark, Alone in Deepest Dark
Do you guys think Ralsei is going pull something on us? I still have a feeling he is gonna

Dess is human.
Dess is chara.

>>714343365
He is also not brown

>>714336836
wtf I don't remember writing this post

>>714343342
doesn't the progressive community always frown on females having flaws though? Chara has clear flaws and is an antagonist. Not saying you're wrong, some women can be that ruthless irl.

However, we're talking about fictional media atm.

>>714343197
I've always thought the inverse for Frisk and Chara.
Chara especially has the spooky little girl trope going.

>>714343245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjCGHO0oHlw Bros?

>>714343269
I don't know why I think Alphys is hot suddenly

>>714343027
That titan was weak as hell. It clearly wasn't a full power one that would require a sacrifice of some sort. The titans the Knight makes are not up to snuff enough to start the Roaring.

I hope when Friend shows up he's just a completely irredeemable nasty piece of shit. Would be fun to have a villain that stands for nothing but contempt.

>>714335956 (OP)
I hate Undertale

>>714343365
Oh so you shan't dare misgender the blorbo because they/them is canon, but changing him from his canonical Simpson yellow skin tone to brown is completely A-okay?

>>714343365
Kris is male, straight, and white.

>>714343367
Search your feelings, you know them to be true.

>>714343365
Neither Kris or Toby has ever said Kris is non-binary and Kris is not brown.

>>714343410
He hates titans so much because he is one

>>714343435
Well, we live in a time where women can do no wrong, so I'd assume Toby wouldn't want a female to be shown in a bad light and well, Chara is obsessed with what male gamers tend to be obsessed with in a traditional sense.

I don't hear about a lot of women being as obsessed about completing game content.

>>714343425
lmao 2phys

>>714343472
kris is a yella fella actually

>>714343457
That line from Porky still manages to elicit visceral disgust in me

>>714343543
>so I'd assume Toby wouldn't want a female to be shown in a bad light
you still think this after the end of chapter 4

>>714343379
>futashit
I sleep

>>714343337
only because it reuses a already good design

>>714343457
>quoting Porky talking about Claus
Based and aligns-with-my-theoriespilled

>>714343543

>>714343379
Men can't be psychopaths that like chocolate?

>>714343582
Frisk is a chink, Kris is white

>>714343357
I think it's cuz he lacks whatever tact he seemed to've had in UT. In UT he was a knowitall jackass pretending to be retarded, in DR he seems like a jackass who just likes fucking with people for no apparent reason, and doesn't account for the sensibilities of others. If DR really is a prequel, then theoretically this Sans should also still be a scientist and have SOME kind of awareness... or maybe that came later and he's just some bozo right now. Seriously though, hitting on the church mom who has an awkward breakup everyone knows about? Pretty sleazy. Even if she is a cunt.

>>714343648
They're literally the same color

>>714343534
Toby indirectly corrected someone by saying "they are rather short" after someone from fangamer said "he can't reach it" but that's pretty much it. There is no actual proof or spoken text confirming Kris' gender. Everyone who refers to them in game just uses they/them pronouns. That's all.

>>714343608
Many people defend her actions and Toby no doubt does, so yes.

>>714343197
i feel like kris being a girl fits somewhat better thematically
a big part of kris is that (s)he's not a self insert, and since this would naturally include toby kris being female would fit more into this, since from what i can tell guys tend to self insert more in games like deltarune
it also makes the 'ralsei is kris' monstersona' theory more tragic, as kris would have believed that asgore and toriel would've been happier with another monster son instead of a human daughter

>>714343608
Yes. Toriel is not shown in a bad light.

>>714343457
FRIEND treats everyone but (You) like toys, because it knows they're not actually real. It calls everyone by their object name instead of their actual name - eg Susie in the Dark World is "obj_npc_susiedark."

>>714343185
I hated Sweet Cap'n Cakes the instant I saw them in Chapter 2 and I don't know why

>>714343440
Always has been!

>>714343685
It's not just about color. It's about their posture and behavior. Also Frisk's chinky eyes

>>714342080
>>714343417
trvke

>>714343310
That guy

>>714343365
>makes them brown when they aren't
>gives them a disgusting ugly fat nose when they don't have one
>makes them offended about made up bullshit when they don't care
I despise trannies so much, but why do they ALWAYS seem to go for the nose as well? It makes no fucking sense to me. Do they have a nose fetish or something??

>>714343023
>Opening one requires spending Determination
Determination is never treated as being "spent" in Undertale or Deltarune. Loading a SAVE does not "consume" Determination. Summoning the will to not die does not make Undyne have less Determination. It's the opposite, she produces more, too much for a monster to handle and she melts. Flowey becomes the most Determined being in the Underground and is able to SAVE and reload thousands and thousands of times after being injected with a fraction of a human SOUL's Determination just once.
Kris, Susie and The Knight are all seen opening fountains and none of them seem any the worse for wear afterward. Kris doesn't even need their SOUL to do it. There's no evidence that there's any kind of "cooldown" on making fountains. The Knight apparently made three fountains at the Church in a matter of hours.

>>714343205
The Prophecy depicts the Light World existing on top of the Dark World. Queen explains that you simply need to strike the Earth with Determination to create a Fountain. Ralsei says that the Dark World exists everywhere, it's just the Light World when the Light is taken away and fantasy takes over.
There's no evidence that there's any kind of "power spots" where a fountain has to be made. Anywhere will work, as long as its in an enclosed space that the Darkness can fill.

>>714343085
It's literally an egg hunt man

>>714341823
>relevant
not too important, not too unimportant.

I like the theory that none of the monsters understand human gender and so they just choose neutral pronouns to play it safe. Kris doesn't have a gender because he was never given one.

>>714343767
Fat ugly retards are not hot

>"If Mother 3 ever comes to the west, you can play it and see how unoriginal I am" -Toby in his Chapter 1 stream
Well. Hinawa ain't the Masked Man, so...

>>714343365
im really, really, tempted to find this artit's profile, make a throwaway account, and leave a comment that says
>kris isnt black either, stop erasing who they are.

>>714343648
>Kris is white

>>714343767
god i wish i was that towel

>>714343648
>>714343685
They both have kidney disease and liver disease or have Carotenemia. Obviously~

>>714343820
temmie is completely unimportant.

>>714343457
Erm, sorry chuddie, we simply can't have any irredeemable characters because that's le hecking pr*blematic. You simply CAN'T have evil people because... you just can't, okay!?

>>714343365
this

Trust the plan

>>714343831
Why does he not approve of people downloading and playing fan translations, like he did?

>>714343823
i like the variation of that where toriel can't into humans at all even with the manual and just got everyone calling kris a they/ them because if she couldn't figure it out, obviously nobody else could
kris just sticks with it because it's always been that way is probably thinks it's normal to refer to humans like that

>>714343879
>casually sings the credits song for no reason

>>714343843
now if he had a face that grotesque, then I'd agree with you. Also, if Kris was jewish, he'd have at least $10000 or gold on hand at all times and have a passive 10% Dark Dollar generation bonus.

>>714343648
i think kris is finnish myself
i'm not sure what finns are, though

>>714343940
The reason is that the real Temmie recorded herself singing it and they decided to make an excuse to put it in the game

>>714343918
most people aren't gonna do that

>>714343825
How about fat PRETTY retards?

>>714343365
HOLY SHIT KRIS IS A NIGGER!!!!

>>714343719
that's why most refer to him as "he/him" as much as certain types of people desperately try to deny it.

>>714344020
yeah but now that he's in with Nintendo close enough for a switch 2 release date thing, it's almost surely because Nintendo told him to not tell people to pirate their games

>>714343825
>retards
alphys is very smart

>>714344025
Sex

>>714343807
>Determination is never treated as being "spent" in Undertale or Deltarune.
In Undertale Determination is only used selfishly, internally. To open a fountain is to expel your internal psychic energy into the world. It's a metaphor for having a mental breakdown.

>>714343984
Build for Human male pair bonding rituals.

>>714335956 (OP)
Literally female lizard Huey Emmerich.

>>714344078
Technically you could get a legitimate copy of Mother 3 from Japan and dump the ROM so you can patch the english version into it, but Nintendo thinks dumping ROMs is illegal too so

>>714344090
No, she's not.

>>714344127
No, it's a metaphor for creating art. You're bringing a world to life with the sheer power of your imagination.

>>714344154
Yeah pretty much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BmKFgJJog

>>714343984
kiss belly

>>714343903
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong place, Reddit is a few sites down.

>>714344127
>internally
I think reaching out to the fabric of space and time, telling it "No thank you" and forcing it back to a point you're more comfortable with by reloading is an externalization of power but okay

>>714344127
neither Berdly nor Susie were even close to a mental breakdown when attempting/making a fountain

>>714344232
Senator Armstrong's interpretation of Gerson's wise words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY

>Normal route: Prophecy goes as intended
>Pacifist route: Break the prophecy and get a better outcome
>Weird route: Break the prophecy and get a worse outcome
Am I getting this right?

big lizard cute!

>>714344205
She's like, totally SUPER smart. I heard from a friend of a friend that that's why she's the Super Royal Scientist now.

>>714344108
Maybe Hometown is not a bad place to start a family...

>>714343417
>toby updates undertale to react to people inputting dess as frisk's name

>>714344397
God she'd be so easy to dom. The only girl that beats her in being an easily dominated doormat is Noelle.

>>714344347
>Normal route: Prophecy goes as intended
>Pacifist route: Prophecy goes as intended
>Weird route: Prophecy goes as intended, but this time you're able to get advice from Ultimate Noelle on how to break the game's story and escape the prophecy

>>714344341
>>714344232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85gFeaz0YYs

>>714344347
Other way around imo
Snowgrave is the original prophecy and Susie forced it into a new path by going with Kris to the closet
Weird route is forcibly steering back onto the original prophecy's path that Susie took you off, and making things worse

>>714344347
I don't think pacifism is going to help. Outside of losing out on some darkners it doesn't affect all that much

>>714344347
Here's how I see it:
>Normal route: Prophecy goes as intended, with little changes depending on what you did along the way, but nothing substantial enough to avert it
>Schizo Crystal Route: Collecting all the schizo crystals enables the MCs to subvert the prophecy themselves, taking what they've learned from each encounter with the schizobosses to heart and working up the courage to defy fate itself
>Weird Route: instead of enabling the Fun Gang to break the prophecy, (You) break the prophecy yourself through your heinous actions

>>714343029
In Undertale, being your friend is Sans's one last thread of hope to escape the existential nightmare he's trapped in. Every single thing he does in Undertale is motivated by trying to be your friend, to make you happy, to help you have a good time, because appeasing you until you're satisfied is the only way he could think of to get something like you to just stop and let everyone live their lives.
>sounds strange, but before all this i was secretly hoping we could be friends.
>i always thought the anomaly was doing
this cause they were unhappy.
>and when they got what they wanted, they would stop all this.
>and maybe all they needed was... i dunno.
>some good food, some bad laughs, some nice friends.
>but that's ridiculous, right?
>yeah, you're the type of person who won't EVER be happy.
>you'll keep consuming timelines over and over, until...
>well.
>hey. take it from me, kid.
>someday...
>you gotta learn when to QUIT.

>>714344438
given what he said at the end of last year, it's not even impossible there's a small undertale update in the works

>>714344397
>can't button the lab coat because the belly is *just* big enough to make them not reach
this is the good shit

>>714344347
>>714344523
The weird route is the good route

>>714344583
>inb4 "other exciting things" was just the new merch

>>714344235
but that's Hal Emmerich who is actually likable, unlike alphys
https://youtu.be/gYHpW0dbBRw?si=r-vfLFbYK8AuwtEm

>>714344127
>In Undertale Determination is only used selfishly, internally
Dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEs6SGTkXMo

>>714344626
Toby doesn't joke about content updates.

>>714344626
It'll be Mr. (Ant) Tenna's Summer Special

>>714344270
Fuck you!

>>714344347
>Break the prophecy

>>714344683
90/80 Percent of the western fanbase has not actually played either games.

>>714344838
Fuck you leather head!

keep in mind that you can get all the shadow crystals regardless of your route, perhaps ultimately they won't matter for going all all in on snowgrave/neutral/pacifist and are probably something else entirely (the sword)

>>714344497
Yeah pacifism/genocide is not Deltarune's dichotomy. At no point (so far) does the game shame you for taking this route. In fact, multiple characters give you their philosophy on what it means to play and do wrong things in a game, namely Ramb and Eram. The game actively tells you it's okay to explore even these dark paths.

Some darkners are disappointed and sad if you fail to recruit every enemy, and your town will have less content as a result, but you will also get stronger and now we know that this time, there is a point to getting stronger: we're facing the end of the world.

And even then, if you fail to recruit everyone, what darkners you have will come to you in the end, for that is what they are there for. I wish I had the screenshot of the Rudinn's quotes, but even if the status is cracked, he says something positive to you.

>>714344672
Hal is a bit more likeable, true, but their character flaws are fairly similar.

>>714344867
Collect the shards of fate to create the Pure Crystal. It shall be the prism that bends the light of prophecy.

>>714344694
Imagine believing this LOL

>>714344583
Don't forget.

>>714344484
Spamton NEO weird route monologue and weird route being labeled "the forbidden path" sure make weird route sound like it's not the original plot

>>714342821
Why the fuck did he do squats like that

NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO TAKE A [[BIG SHIT]]!!

>>714344898
If you don't get all shadow crystals, you can't unlock bikini mode and save Nicole from Sephiroth.

Honestly watching all the schizo theories being wrong about the new chapters is some of the funniest shit ever, especially considering how funny the theories themselves are like the woody one.

>>714344964
Mako-Infusion causes autism to a varying degree in all subjects as does most vaccinations.

>>714344957
I don't think it's possible to escape the prophecy on your first run through the game. I think you'll need to play through three times to get completely off the rails, just like how you needed to play MANTLE three times.

Look at allll
These hummersss
What kind of jerk would drive one of those?
H-HA HA HA!
H-HA HA HA!
A JERK WHO CAN DODGE WITHOUT LOOKING!

>>714344497
I think it's going to be important in the end
We still don't know what these question marks are all about

>>714344683
SAVE is not a determination thing. You appealed to Asriel's memories of you and his newly-regained ability to feel empathy. And the moment Asriel begins to care about you, he becomes very weak, and ultimately loses his power. By contrast, Flowey is completely invincible, and is never in any danger from (you), despite technically having less power, and only loses because the souls rebel against him.

>>714344935
Prove me wrong.

>>714344926
Dumb question, but do you actually get stronger by defeating enemies? I know you get more health and stuff in the chapter, but does it carry over?

>>714345117
Well you see, it's quite simple.
Deltarune itself is a joke.

>>714345108
Its their turn off and turn on's (2027 SEX Update)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNLNZESxL0

>>714344968
I THINK I JUST SHARTED, GO TO THE THRONE
I CAN'T POOP TILL I'M ALL ALONE
IT SQUEEZES THE SHIT TO MAKE IT FLING
UNTIL THE BOWL'S ALL PAINTED BROWN

>>714345108
>final boss arena is in front of ralsei's castle
>all the other monsters join the party with their own attacks/[ACT]

>>714344898
The knight's crystal seems to be weird route related, mantle or no mantle.

>>714345183
Its fake scaling like in Undertale

>>714344347
>Normal route: Gaster appears, says his motives are complex and turns the world into Undertale
>Pacifist route: Gaster appears, says his motives are complex and turns the world into Undertale
>Weird route: Gaster appears, says his motives are complex and turns the world into Undertale

Gaster represents Toby Fox's desire to make games that connect with people and inspire hope.
FRIEND represents his desire to fuck with his audience and troll them.
source: I started reading homestuck when I was 11 and have a deep understanding of it and how influential it is to Toby Fox's style of writing.

>>714345096
Didn't know a theoretical game design decision could cause physical repulsion and vomiting

>>714345108
I'll be a disappointed if "True pacifism is the happy good end" happens again.

>>714343365
Take that yam off yo face nigga

>>714344957
Also, Ralsei at the end of Chapter 4
>* I want to believe... it can change!
>* That there isn't just one ending!
>* But...
>* What would that be...?
>* If there was something else, what would it be...?
>* And how do we know
>* It wouldn't be something even worse?
Really want to know what's going on in the minds of people who genuinely believe Toby Fox thinks killing all those people and doing that shit to Noelle is somehow going to lead a better outcome for anyone

>>714345096
Deltarune is going to be like 30-40 hours long when it's finished. This is a much more complicated and involved game than Undertale. You are not going to have to go through it multiple times to get some kind of "true ending"

>>714343245
>>714343410
im currently in schizo mode and hoping Gaster is actually the "true" prince of dark since he's associated with 666 and guess who else is known as the prince of darkness? satan. lol.

>>714345325
There's a chapter select for a reason, anon. It'll probably get expanded to let you just warp straight to certain plot beats, too.

>>714343365
Holy shit, Kris is British?

>>714344957
"Freedom" from the weird route is not freedom from the prophecy, it's freedom from the "boring straight line from point A to point B" that Susie changed the story to
It's freedom from freedom. Notice how MANTLE, the weird route tutorial game, is the most railroaded experience in the game to the point the literal only thing you can do besides killing everyone is ramming into a cactus to kill yourself and exit it. After all, since when were you the one in control?

>>714344926
You're viewing it from the wrong lens.

>>714345402
Oh wow I think I have an ulcer

>>714345115
>SAVE is not a determination thing.
It literally uses the SAVE point icon brother

>>714345351
>the darkners realize that they cannot exist without you
>they start to regret getting attached to you and know that they will be abandoned again
>grow a deep resentmen against you for not just letting them cease to exist without remors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEI-0vMPbJI
WE WERE ROBBED

>>714345183
No.
Not at all.
Even if they exceed the following Chapter's starting stats they get knocked down anyway.

>>714345456
Could you elaborate? What am I getting wrong, and what is the correct lens?

>>714344347
The weird route is the prophecy. LOVE finds its way to the girl.

>>714345458
>the game with time travel as an in-universe thing might have you use time travel to get the true ending
>somehow this is bad
are you fucking serious

You were used up.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kTsRmLOYS8c

Kris, always keep aura farming.

>>714345505
It's still not a determination thing. We know this because Frisk's determination can't do a fucking thing against giga Flowey, who is weaker than Hypergod Asriel. SAVE is never about your power and ALWAYS about appealing to the enemy

I hope non-goner Vessel has Chara's skin tone and Frisk's shirt.

>>714345632
>youtube short version
Fucking pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFSpqlsqnw

>>714345632
IP grabber

>>714345613
>kris face when

So uh, have I missed anything in the last 2 days?

Is it worth it to get into Deltarune at this point? How much longer would I have to wait until the game is actually finished?

>>714345613
Can confirm, I was and I still am.

>>714345640
>We know this because Frisk's determination can't do a fucking thing against giga Flowey
but he kept coming back until he won

>>714345613
that's why i don't believe the weird route will even remotely create a good ending

>>714344347
Normal route: Susie gets determination
Weird route: Noelle gets determination
Sword route: Kris becomes absurdly OP

All of the routes branch together into the same ending, but the story continues into another program where you hand Gaster the girl with Determination.

EXTREMELY FAST NIGGY BOPPIN AT INCREDIBLE SPEEDS

>>714345690
>>714345695

I didn't know there was a vid version, kek. Also I ain't grabbin' IPs, relax with the accusations.

>>714345752
No, Flowey brought us back to torture us before killing us for good, which he explicitly explains, and was about to do so when the souls rebel.

>We got a schizoboss who thinks he's the only free one when he's locked in a cage, and a schizoboss who tried to become free by manipulating others only to realize he's still a puppet (and he believes the SOUL will make him free when it'd likely just control him too)
>People still think the weird route is freedom

>>714345519
Kino

>>714345640
Determination isn't some magic stat booster to offenses, no fucking shit Frisk couldn't do a thing against Photoshop Flowey until the souls went rebel mode.
In fact, we see it proven even more against Asriel. Determination has merit THERE because he's so BEYOND fighting that dragging him down emotionally is the only way to succeed, and THAT'S where Determination's powers kick in. SAVE, "But it refused," LastDreams, surviving the Fuck You Laser by enduring into literal decimals, all of that shit is what Determination is good at. Circumvention without raw power, even if Frisk isn't the dominant determination of the underground in that moment.

>>714345864
nope, frisk won

>>714345445
Interesting enough concept but I'm gonna trust Ralsei and say that if he thinks the prophecy hasn't been diverted in his Chapter 4 breakdown then normal route is very much on the original path. I think he knows his prophecy shit
Don't fully get what you're saying regardless. You're getting at that there's no real freedom, our only choice is between 2 equally narrow paths?

>>714345864
It's a bluff. He knows the Red soul is way to powerful, able to make its own rules to the game. Even when he says he deletes your SAVE, its a bluff.

>>714345746
Chapter 5 will drop next year but we don't know when 6 and 7 will drop

>>714344440
Weird route is not the prophecy at all, the prophecy specific mentions the queens chariot, and yet we never see the queens car in snowgrave

>misaki's undertale playlist is finally gone

WHEN YOU'RE
DUELING WITH THE KNIGHT
AND YOU CAN'T SURVIVE THE FIGHT
CAUSE THE SHADOW MANTLE'S MIGHT
FADES TO RAPIDLY

I'VE AN ENGINE THAT STILL RUNS
ROARING KNIGHT, I'LL GIT 'ER DONE
WITH THE FORCE
TO CRUSH YOUR RISING STAR
DON'T FORGET
I'LL HIT YOU WITH MY CAR

>>714345746
>Is it worth it to get into Deltarune at this point?
It's been worth getting on board the ride since it started seven years ago. The longer you don't wait, the more you're missing out. Don't wait until the show's over to start watching.

>>714346040
>materia isn't very bad for 8 years
>undertale yellow comes out
>suddenly sebastian wolff gets mindbroken and becomes a copyright nazi
What the fuck about the funny cowboy fangame broke him so much?

>>714346090
Deltarune is usually two words in game, what does this guy mean by referring to it by the actual game title?

>>714345606
I think it seems fan-fiction-y, the kind of thing that's cooler in concept than in practice. Sounds like it'd just screw with the pacing
And it really doesn't jive with my mental model of the game's narrative style. Very strong "that shit would never happen" feeling like half-human Susie or papyrus knight

>>714345864
>No, Flowey brought us back
Flowey didn't open my game nigga

>>714345924
You don't understand what was happening in the Asriel fight. The reason that Frisk could persist is not because his determination was strong, but because he wanted to live and save Asriel more than Asriel wanted to kill Frisk. The moment he took in monster souls, he had already lost, because unlike Flowey, Asriel would never want to kill anyone, let alone someone who looks exactly like his brother.

>>714346015
Toriel hit Dess with her car
>>714346040
And people wondered why the composer of OFF didn't want to do anything with fangamer's demaster

>>714344347
>worse outcome
What's so bad about this?
>noelle or kris will die
Come on. It can't be THAT predictable.

>>714346236
I'm talking about during the end of the boss fight when he kills you and loads the save to undo it over and over again.

>>714346367
>SHE WAS USED UP.
>YOU WERE USED UP.

>>714345906
True freedom is a bullshit concept in a medium like a video game, when the tech isn't advanced enough that the medium can truly explore freedom in its fullest capabilities.
Everyone and everything, including the absolute powers and narrative-assigned creators of the world, like Gaster and Annoying Dog, are just following scripts and events predetermined and premediated for every possibility that Toby designed and allows to happen.
The game LITERALLY only exists to fulfill the fever dream ending Toby had over a decade ago, to a point where characters in the know, such as the schizo holders and Ralsei, are very well aware that their world is fated to either meet that ending, or one of the other premediated paths Toby has allowed to take place should you fulfill criteria.
This is why Gerson rejected the crystal's temptations, he already fuckin' knew this shit because he died, saw God (Toby), and God told him what was up before patting him on the back and prepping him for his rebound in Chapter 4.
It's all fake, stupid bullshit that's set in stone, but it wants you to at least care about the experience, to find it in your heart to hold sentimentality for it all.
The Weird Route, too, is a sense of sentimentality, to get the absolute most out of this experience. And unlike Undertale, it isn't going to "punish" you with "hehe i will make you wait 10 minutes before you can play the game again and also check a flag that says you're a naughty boy :3". Gaster, and by extension Toby, WANTS you to get freaky with it and have fun seeing everything his game has to offer.

>>714340651
It's a Toby Fox thing

>>714346225
"DELTA RUNE" is only used in Ralsei's version of The Legend and when Kris is describing the Delta Rune symbol on the Shelter door
In all other instances it's "DELTARUNE," but "DELTARUNE" is only ever mentioned outside of the context of the prophecy by The Man and Gaster

>>714346325
>Toriel hit Dess with her car
You think she was drunk driving?

>>714346367
>It can't be THAT predictable.
People said the same thing about Tenna lol

i thought this was an Alphys thread....

The CH1 Dark World will open up again, the door is still there for a reason.
We will go back to chapter 1 and open up a new path by losing the Susie&Lancer fight.

>>714336171
List everything Toriel has done that deserves hatred. I'll start:
>Lets 6 children get killed by Asgore
>Willing to kill Frisk/(You) if desired to leave

>>714346430
Driving while giving head

>>714346367

>>714345562
The game we know as "Deltarune" is already done, it just hasn't been made yet. Every single person who worships this "game" seems to forget that we are playing fragments of a FULL game. Whatever "message" we see can't be interpreted properly because we only see what part of it exists in front of us. In the context of a full game, gathering all the darkeners would matter to some extent, or at least it SHOULD. What we know is that the game is insistent on "everything happening the same way", and for the most part, even in WR, it's still true, regardless of traumatizing Noelle and Kris.
All the superbosses can still be fought.
You can still recruit everyone.
You can still talk to everyone in town the same.
The bosses all end the same way.
You can access the hidden game on all routes.
The story still unfolds the same way.
The only thing that's changed is flavor text and what happens to some characters personally. There has yet to be a serious, major deviation in plot. Though obviously it has to mean something. But because we are given fragments, no one can reasonably examine anything, just shooting wild guesses.
The correct lens is that there is no lens, and to claim otherwise is foolish. That's why at the end of it all, I'm annoyed DR exists the way it does, and it will fade in legacy over time, no matter what anyone tells you. It'll always be "the sequel prequel to Undertale" and not "Deltarune".
To be frank, the game disgusts me.

>>714346230
It's basically just Radiant Historia, except you can't get story branches on the first run. Or maybe Seventh Stand User's postgame, which is basically the same thing I'm proposing here?

Really it's no different than hiking back to Alphys's lab to get into the True Lab, except you teleport there via the chapter select.

Are there actually people who unironically believe the murder mindrape route where Noelle has a mental breakdown and Kris kicks the shit out of you is just gonna end with lovey dovey Kriselle sunshine and rainbows or is it just a joke?

>>714346495
Alphys is shit and does not deserve a thread

>>714346495
She has a ton of scientific experience. Time to knock her up so we can raise five or more mad scientists.

>>714346461
What about Tenna exactly? His design? We were given some strong clues.

>>714346495
Go on, then

>>714339792
I noticed that Toby likes seeing Alphys, Ralsei, and Noelle bullied

>>714346461
>People said the same thing about Tenna lol
about what specifically? Him being similar to Spamton?
Either way, I think chapter 3's purpose is to lull you into a false sense of security with all the familiarity, only to completely smash that suddenly with the Knight's arrival. I'd hardly call that predictable.

>>714346495
And Alphys is a UT/DR character.
You know what that means.

>>714346608
Some characters were just made to be bullied sexually

>>714346681
>open his mouth as wide as it can go
>crawl into his mouth

>>714346564
I don't know, but I do know you type like a faggot. I guarantee you believe some stupid shit too, you're not better than anyone here.

>>714346542
>But because we are given fragments, no one can reasonably examine anything, just shooting wild guesses.
I mean yeah that's kind of the whole point of theorycrafting. It's an exercise of creativity and writing in speculating what will happen next in a story. It's just for fun, I seriously hope no one has any stake or gets mad about being proven wrong.

That said, nothing that you have said, yeah things in the story will go mostly the same if you fight or are a pacifist. The game's dichotomy is elsewhere.

What even is a Deltarune?

>>714346767
>saxophone noise.mp3

>>714346776
From our perspective, what do you call a monster with determination?
A sentient NPC.

>>714346776
delta is often used as a short hand for change
a rune is a symbol

so it is a symbol of change

>>714346776
Am I the Deltarune?
Are (You) the Deltarune?
Is the Deltarune simply the friends we made along the way?

>>714346531
>>714346394
You have to understand this would be like telling the player flowey is Asriel in the hotlands.

>>714346564
People (brown) also believe that Toby was held at gunpoint by faggots to make Kris a they/them (and that these faggots just suddenly appeared in Deltarune's team) so...

>>714346681
That's what bothers me, a case of author's thinly veiled fetish

>>714346872
delta means four...

>>714335956 (OP)
Why she looks like a flasher?
The pose and everything..

Also, I like Alphys
I don't like the Butch Dyke Fish, though..

>>714346776
A Nazi symbol.

>>714346863
why is this mantle so fucking cute

>>714346728

>>714346863
E ram was lowkey a bitch

>>714346564
It's entirely a meme, we know it's only going to get worse for literally everyone. But it's funny to picture that things to turn out swimmingly on this path, against all odds.

>>714346916
I hate Toby pushing the butch top fem bottom shit so hard into every character dynamic

There’s 4 triangles on Deltarune door at ice palace

>>714346932
so fucking cute god i need them to be friends
if i cant actually save jack at the festival im going to seethe

>>714346996
Do you ever think it's weird how even these people intend wearing a dress to be inherently humiliating

but who (and how?) took the shadow mantle from Seam?

>>714346916
>Also, I like Alphys
that's fine i guess
>I don't like the Butch Dyke Fish, though..
kill yourself

>>714347069
The other Seam on Asriel's computer.

>>714346880
>Foreshadowing isn't real everything Toby shows us that doesn't happen in the last 2 minutes of the game is a lie to subvert our expectations mmmm lol haha tricky tony's at it again Dess never existed Gaster is just a fart joke the last prophecy was actually that Susie does the annoying dog maraca dance hehehaha the Knight is Rudy because Dess and Carol were too le obvious I retcon everything if people guess it

>>714346564
It would be better if it did.

>>714347069
Kris, duh.

How meny posters are in this thread, like 50?

>people using you were used up as some kind of proof when minikris just comes back for the 3rd part of mantle as if he was never used up
Bros.....

>>714347193
All me.

>>714346767
God this game is gonna make me hate cats by the end of it

>>714346564
Name one thing we did in the weird route that's bad.

>>714347193
Noelle isn't that flat.

Bunker.

>>714346542
>It'll always be "the sequel prequel to Undertale" and not "Deltarune".
Deltarune is not very subtle about being "Undertale but with slightly better art and slightly worse music"

Our HEROES

Deltarune would've been better if we didn't know there even was a Knight until the very end and it started killing all the side characters and it only got defeated because Susie pulled a new reality defying spell out of her ass with no buildup

>>714347193
Female Kris, based

>>714347325
this. the sweater is holding her back

>>714346546
It's a possibility in the same way any story turn technically is
I just think the game would have to shatter to many of its conventions and the end result would be jarring

>>714346880
You could piece together that Flowey is Asriel as early as Waterfall if you're smart enough to grasp context clues, especially with the literal flashback dialogue that directly precedes falling onto a patch of golden flowers.
Also, it's worth recognizing that Undertale was a complete package upon launch. Deltarune is releasing in chapters, so it HAS to offer context and clarity on information in advance, in order to build foundation and intrigue for where the game is going in the next chapters.
Chapter 1 didn't have any of that beyond "Kris can act WITHOUT THE SOUL!?!?!?!?!?! AND HE HAS A KNIFE!?!?!?!??!!?" and you saw what kind of "Deltarune is a post-genocide sequel to Undertale" lamer ass bullshit people came up with during the first few years.
Chapter 2 didn't have any of that beyond "Kris makes a DARK WORLD!?!?!?!?" and you saw what kind of schizophrenic nonsense babble people came up with during the long years wait.

>>714347335
>alphys says Kris shouldn't go there
>made Undyne who people think is unstoppable nervous
>Kris will do anything to prevent (you) from going there
what the fuck is in there? and how fucked is it now that its been turned into a dark world?

>>714347363
>worse music
nigga the music already eclipsed UT in Chapter 1

>>714345746
Yeah don't listen to this retard >>714346090 just wait. Don't participate in bad business practices and don't get stuck in a sunk cost fallacy. Anyone participating is a retard.

>>714346880
Everyone already realized that Flowey was Asriel back in 2013 retard

>>714347368
Where's Asgore

What is Gaster's relation to Friend?

>>714347482
No music so far has been as good as Asgore's theme.
Still the peak for me.

>>714347548
Same as Lovecraft with his cat

personally my favorite UT track is Waterfall

>>714336836
why would you wanna be some fatass nerd?

>>714346880
Kris is our vessel, unwillingly
Noelle is our tool to sharpen and use
Is it so strange to think that they'll be abandoned once they've served their purpose?

>>714347335
I hardly know'er

>>714347325
She is a child.

>>714347389
>he thinks the knight is end game
The Knight isn't going to make it past Chapter 6, probably not even 5.

>>714347389
This feels like a reference to something in particular and it is slipping my mind what exactly it is.

>>714347482
People are prone to forgetting that Undertale's soundtrack wasn't just the boss themes, it's a bit like Metal Gear Rising in that.

I think that DR still has better boss themes over all though, and the overworld themes are objectively just overall superior. CORE is the only Undertale overworld theme that even comes close to DRs' weaker world themes, and Rude Buster (and variations) and From Now On both blow UT's non-boss combat music out of the water.

Why did Alphys have the doll?

>>714347325
Her hips are pretty filled out too, huh

>>714347739
>This feels like a reference to something in particular and it is slipping my mind what exactly it is.
Homestuck.
Alternatively, Jojolion, the 8th part of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

>>714346546
if that's gonna happen then why can't I skip chapter 3 on snowgrave

>>714347814
It's the second one I haven't read Homestuck

>>714347643
Kris does not have a purpose, they were never supposed to be our vessel.

>>714347814
Deltarune is a story about breaking a curse...

>>714347835
oh okay. Which is funny, because almost the exact same thing happens in homestuck.

>>714346863
I WANT TO BEAT THIS MANTLE

>>714339530
Frisk is a child of Susie and Kris

what's the worst undertale track and what's the worst deltarune track (don't say the music trio)

So is the Shelter the endgame for Deltarune?

Frisk is an anagram of Fkris (Female Kris)

>>714347835
Ah, yeah I never bothered with either. One of them is the worst thing ever written by human hands and drives all who engage with it mad like a real life King in Yellow

And the other one has Gappy Four Balls as the main character and I just was not feeling that.

>>714347916
I think the shelter is chapter 6 and chapter 7 is fever dream schizophrenia.

Kris is Frisk. He lost the F, because he lost his hand, which became Friend.

>>714347512
>Anyone participating is a retard.

>>714347482
TV WORLD is literally the only chapter 3 track I can remember

>>714347858
And yet they were, so they do have purpose.
Nothing you do can prevent the discarding of your vessel, it's an immutable fact that you WILL get crammed into Kris' life as an unwanted parasite.

>>714347804
fixed

>>714347814
Guess it wasn't a bad idea to drop Jojo after finishing part 7 then

>>714347906
I knowst thou said not to sayeth the Musicke Trio,
But what if...
I Do

>>714347906
worst soundtrack are all about Sweet Cap n Cakes

>>714347858
All the more reason for them to be discarded when they are no longer needed.

>>714347967
chapter 6 is going to be the Holidays house. chapter 7 will be the bunker which, if the egg rooms and other secret stuff are anything to go by, will be fever dream schizophrenia.

>>714348045
>unwanted
that faggot keeps me in a cage and voluntarily puts me in his body

>>714347916
>5 is the flower shop and properly introduces FRIEND
>6 is the bunker
>chapter 7 will be hated by everyone

>>714348101
That's after he gets used up, we'll just use him again same as in mantle 3.

>>714348028
Not even the MANTLE tracks?

>>714347659
Who cares? Its all consentual.

>>714348028
Crazy thing to say from the chapter that gave us Black Knife

>>714348113
>the house that already had a bunch of homestuck references is going to be an entire chapter
toby please have mercy

>>714347906
>undertale
enemy approaching
>deltarune
welcome to the city

>>714348113
What about asgore?

>>714348028
early-onset dementia? my condolences

>>714344523
The crystals can be combined with the weird route to give you a different ending.

You will only be able to get the good ending if you picked SOFT food as your vessel's favorite.
All other options will lead to the bad end.

Trust me, I'm a big shot.

>>714348291
Anon, he works over at the Holiday's mansion.

>>714348247
get ready to fight mechanical santas, gingerbread cookies and snow ninjas.

>>714348113
>the gaster chapter will not be in the chapter [gaster number]
retard

>>714348028
>he doesnt remember black knife, tv time (basically a ch3 medley), ruder buster or green room
ngmi.

>>714348312
Okay Mr. Big Shot, mind explaining why soft of all things is the key to a good ending?

>>714348291
That's chapter 5, dumdum.

>>714347140
This but unironically. Let me guess you were a charafag in 2018?
>>714347524
>>714347435
Yes I remember the mini game on alphys computer that said in blatant text "the flower born from the goat" or whatever
>>714347643
Abandoning them doesn't mean they have to die. We still don't know what the soul's goal is supposed to be exactly. I'm sure we can agree seeing them struggle against or work with us is much more interesting.

>>714348346
And here I thought we were going to get a flower world :(

the acorn is the great work
the blueprint for a great oak tree
who is the acorn

>>714348045
The game actually clearly states the opposite. While our ACTIONS may not be desirable, our PRESENCE is. KRIS is the thing that's out of place, not us.
We serve a purpose, we are saving the world. Kris is interfering.

>>714348169
And yet he actively bitches out about our existence and anything we do, even if we have no choice but to follow our narrative strings just like he's stuck following his own.
If freedom truly were in our ring, we wouldn't HAVE to read the bunker code in Dess' guitar, we could back away when we see there's a prompt that implicates Kris doesn't want us doing this, and respect that we're not meant to be looking at that shit, move on with our day and report to Susie that it's a bust (to which she'll inevitably go "What the hell, Kris!? Were you even LOOKING!?", be Susie and do her own thing to confirm the code exists but that she couldn't get a look) and then go fuck around in Church World.
But the narrative doesn't let us have that on the normal route. We HAVE to read the code to progress the "study session", be evicted from the house, and eventually find our way to Church World.
It's LITERALLY ONLY in the Weird Route that violates Kris' agency even more that we're allowed to derail from the usual, and it's exclusively at his detriment.

>>714348408
So you can eat eggs.

>>714347524
only because the filenames revealed that Asriel was a thing even on the demo build

>>714348378
Gaster will actually show up on chapter 5, then. Who told you that chapters were numbered 1 to 7?

>>714348507

>>714348441
>Look at all these Bergentrucks. What kind of jerk would drive one of those?
>DUDE THIS CAR KICKS ASS AND I CAN WATCH COWBOY PUPPET SHOW WHILE I'M DRIVING!
>What kind of friends do you like, Woody?
>FRIENDS INSIDE ME! Woohoo, I will never die!
>HAHAHAHAHA! DUDE THOSE COWBOYS ARE SO FUCKING FUNNY THEY MAKE ME WANNA MERGE WITHOUT LOOKING!

>>714335956 (OP)
Out of all girls in Deltarune and Undertale, Alphys is number one. Number 2 is Toriel (Undertale version).
>>714339748
You can't rape the willing. Not even if it's a hot sweltering summer at Snowdin.

Isn't an acorn, in a way, the egg of a tree?

>>714348441

>>714348312
>he eats soft food

>>714348571
The title screen.

>>714348507
>>714348610

you have to eat all of the eggs.

>>714348441
>>714348706
Reminder that this is Toriel propaganda and that if anyone would have run over Dess with their car it would be Toriel.
>February 13th, one day before Valentine's.
>Pissed off at Dess for corrupting her golden boy Asriel.
>Drink too much wine.
>Drive to Choir Practice drunk (her soon to be ex-husband is the police chief so she can get away with it in her mind).
>Sees Dess walking along the street.
>Run her over.

>>714348450
>tfw no quirky *holds up spork* gf

>>714348680
In the same way an embryo is an egg, sure.

>>714348312
that is perhaps the dumbest conspiracy ive ever heard, not just from deltarune at that

for some reason the idea of a “chapter zero” situation doesnt sit right with me, as in it doesnt seem likely
and yet we still have no explanation for the splash texts of chapter numberings from zero to fucking ten in the files

>>714348772
I know I was making a reference to something.
I don't think gaster and the bunker would be in chapter 6 because if so what the fuck would 7 even be about, then?

>>714340797
YOUR SAVING TOO WRONG

>>714335956 (OP)
BIG dumb STINKY dino

>>714348810
true

>>714348854
It's Deltarune's Fire Walk With Me.

>>714348846
An embryo, you say?

>>714348810
>her golden boy Asriel.
Almost

>>714339924
He supplies the residents of Hometown with free pickles.

>>714349018
stop withholding the source already

>>714349032
pickles, too, is an acronym

>>714349018
Ironically enough this is also more in character for the alcoholic town bicycle than for Asgore.

>>714348854
I can imagine a "Chapter 0" as an extended flashback sequence within another Chapter
I find it hard to believe they made tiny Noelle sprites just to show their silhouette in tiny scenes in Chapter 2

>>714349085
Does the S in Strand stand for Strand?

Alphys?

>>714347528
>Kris shows Susie the tung tung tung sahur brainrot in his phone
Wholesome comic honestly.

>>714349018
can you post the full? Or give sauce?

>>714349134
stands for "stiffy".

>>714348834
Unfortunately social media killed them all off, now they've been replaced with social media addicts and e-hoes.

>>714343982
Finns are descendants of noble mongol warriors

>>714346512
>6 children
Can anyone point to where it's stated that they were all children? I only ever read "humans." If they were all children, it's really bad writing. 8 people fell down into the underground over the years, and every single one of them happened to be a child?

>>714349606
but anon, *holds up spork* people were already social media addicts. that whole thing started in fucking myspace

>>714348862
ch7 is when all the real fever dream shit happens
there's a reason toby hasn't said a peep about 6/7, ever
even a single stray word could ruin everything, i doubt temmie even knows anything outside of the briefest description, if that

>>714349770
Yes, and modern social media addicts are even less endearing than those fuckers were in their hayday, and you know this anon.

>>714349768
An old deleted tweet from toby confirmed they were children.

>>714344926
THE RUDINN IS ONE OF THE SEVEN FLYING ACES

>>714349768
It had to be children, nothing in the Underground could have killed an adult human.

>>714349768
It's not random chance, anon
>Legends say that those who climb the mountain never return.

>>714349948
Unfortunately the seven are accounted for. 6 in mancountry, 1 in the chapter 4 egg room. That guy's likely just gonerpilled.

>>714349975
Eh, I feel like Asgore could have taken CWC honestly. Probably wouldn't have even felt bad for once.

>>714350030
Maybe he took a walk.

>>714350030
>THERE AREN'T 7? WELL, YOU NAMED US.
>IF YOU WERE GOOD AT COUNTING CARDS,
>YOU WOULDN'TVE NEEDED TO CHEAT.

Do you think FRIEND had pink and yellow eyes when Chapter 1 released?
I'm pretty sure following the pointed tail was already planned, because of shit like walking off the forest path where the stars don't shine to find a key piece and Jevilstail.
But besides Asgore I don't remember any pink and yellow in the chapter at all.

>>714350067
I don't know what CWC is but it is unlikely any monster could ever kill any adult human. The humans didn't suffer a single death in the war, ie there is no match up that could have realistically happened where a human loses.

>>714350169
No pink and yellow that I know of, so FRIEND seems to be missing from chapter 1.
Well, there was a cat.

>>714350304
CWC = Chrischan.

>>714349570
>>714349072
https://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/6931637#search=Dess_Holiday

>>714350169
I wonder, I wonder

>>714350486
The pink and yellow FRIEND and the yellow and pink FOE

>Catti is a cat with yellow eyes and pink hair

>>714350304
>I don't know what CWC is
on one hand, I want to say fuck newfags.
On the other hand, you should cherish this.

>>714343454
I mean, the titan was a newborn and there was only one of them. The church is fucking wrecked afterwards too.

>>714350067
christine weston chandler-magichan is protected by a literal biblical demon