>*suffers*

>>717398763 (OP)

>>717398763 (OP)
>Prodigy and favorite child
>Don't paint fun stuff, only fucked up stone abominations
>Brother gets killed by beta writers
>Mother goes crazy being all sad and shit about it
>Gets way too obsessed with a fucking painting he did and makes weird "Perfect version" of their family
>Father goes in to pull her out
>His dumb ass also gets stuck there
>Go in for a minute
>Find painted Clea and she's all sign songy and hangs out with lame beta turtle who steals rocks for fun
>make corrections, now she will pump out nevrons to drain crazy mom and get her to stop
>Expedition 0 comes by
>Giant chad thinks I'm that shit version of myself
>Trick him into destroying father's retarded metaphor of me for shits and gigs
>Almost won 1st try but mom talked him down
>Fuck it, leave for years
>"Oh sis, you're kinda healed now. Get your ass in there and bring them out"
>Lil sis has a little too much fun in there
>Whatever, I'll be busy killing faggot writers when you retards are playing around in lalaland
Clea did nothing wrong

>>717398992
>Verso likes piano more than painting
>Maelle likes poetry more than painting

Does Clea have a secret special interest we don't know or she the one true successor to the family?

Real Verso faked his death in the fire to go join the writers. Painted Verso is a very accurate copy of him.

>>717398763 (OP)
Once i got spoiled i dropped the game. At act 3 and lvl 100 doing the extra stuff

>>717398992
>Clea did nothing wrong
Seems like she could've just slapped Aline and dragged her out pretty easily
>>717399071
Sculpting I guess but it didn't take away from her painting like Verso's music of Alicia's shittiness at everything

>>717398763 (OP)
stop talking about this shit as fuck game

Inb4 people seething over which ending to pick

Post favorite tracks instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuPh-KSoFUU

>>717399168
>Alicia's shittiness at everything
kek, is it really that bad

>>717399286
I like Linen and Cotton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5A5yr5STzs

>>717399286
obviously the most soulful yet simple theme I've heard in long time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkE-bWKRdfY

>>717399286
For me, it's hard to beat Lumiere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvsw2ILX5k&ab_channel=SandfallInteractive
I know Alicia is kind of meant to be the theme song that defined their vision of the game, but Lumiere captures all the games notes so wonderfully. The real strength of the soundtrack was its perfect usage, songs fit their scenes so excellently, and there were so many remixes of characters' themes (Renoir in particular) to accompany specific moments.

>>717398763 (OP)
He deserves it for being a deceiver and a manipulator.
Play the fucking piano.

>>717399479
Truth

>>717399479
he was right despite being deceiver and manipulator

>>717398992
Be quiet you black African Congo ni

>>717399479

>>717399440
yeah, Lumiere is one of like 3 songs I repeat at the camp

>It's another episode of Versotards justifying mass genocide for the sake of a single dysfunctional and psychotic family being together.
To be fair to them, this is obviously the developer's brainlet position as well.

>>717400690
>genocide
No more than you did when you quit the game, murderer

>>717400724
I'm taking the story, including its first two acts, at face value and acting as if these are people that lived lives inside a painting

If your argument is that they're just video game bytes, then that applies equally to the "real" non-painted people. Your argument has no merit either ways, Versotard.

>>717400690
>mass genocide
In the ending Verso killed 2 people and himself at most, not counting the gestrals/equie who were his childhood creations anyway

>>717400819
>Your honor, yes, I could have very easily resuscitated these 3 people with CPR and had the full knowledge, skill and time to do it, but I didn't want to. So, in theory, I only killed one person: The one I stabbed.
>And all those other people but those were my children, lol, I have a right to their life
Versotards, everyone

>>717400724
The family is also just a piece in the game though. The magical creations are more important than their creators. Except Clea, she's the only one who isn't a dipshit who's going to get stuck in another painting anyway

>>717400690
>Verso's sins have been upgraded from genocide to MASS genocide
This verso guy sounds like a real jerk!

>>717400898
>>Your honor, yes, I could have very easily resuscitated these 3 people with CPR and had the full knowledge, skill and time to do it, but I didn't want to. So, in theory, I only killed one person: The one I stabbed.
That's exactly how it would go, no jury would convict you for not resuscitating someone kek

>>717400898
Zombifying the population of Lumiere is not remotely like "CPR" , retardbro

>>717401209
Sciel and Lune were brought back to life, Pierre too in Maelle's ending. They aren't "zombies". More versotard lies.

>>717400916
>dysfunctional relationship with own family - sides with Alicia over Renoir and Verso
>self-conscious about bitter experiences with women, has developed some variety of female-dominant fetish - attracted to psychopathic Clea
I've enjoyed seeing your mental state unfold throughout the course of these threads anon

>>717399479
anyone who trusted verso a SECOND TIME deserved it tbqh famalams

>>717401254
Maelle knew those 2 personally and it still required their specific chroma.
>Pierre
we never see him enough to know it's really him as he was, what he thinks of the whole thing, or whether he even has a right to free thought under Maelle.

>>717398763 (OP)
I look like this and do that

>>717401330
>we never see him enough to know it's really him as he was, what he thinks of the whole thing, or whether he even has a right to free thought under Maelle.
So you need to make these bad faith headcanon assumptions that Sciel is happily chatting away with a zombie without free will, and even if anyone took you seriously and believed you, then you still wouldn't able to justify Sciel and Lune dying, as well as all the Gestrals and Grandis. You got nothing.

>>717401330
>entire city is in ruins
>at least god fixed the opera house so we can all enjoy the performances of this stranger

>>717401443
>my assumptions are good and rational
>yours are bad faith and headcanon

>>717401287
Projection lol, Clea isn't even dominating in the world. She shows up for like 2 minutes and says "Fuck it, I'll let the nevrons sort it out" I'm not throwing my life away." Alicia is doing what she wants and honestly it's not necessarily even permanent. Renoir and fake Verso are just dumbasses

>>717401510
There's no assumptions being made on my end. You cannot justify Sciel, Lune, the Gestrals and Grandis being genocided.
Even if you were right that the ending somehow has Pierre, Gustave, Gustave's sister and they're all fabrications and different from the people we saw in the prologue, that assumption still has you on the losing ground.

>>717401692
>losing ground
by what metric?

>>717401814
The metric where your ending kills Sciel, Lune, the Gestrals and Grandis, and my ending doesn't.
And this is of course, with your assumption that Pierre, Gustave, etc, are not the same people they were before they died/were gommaged.
Cause if they are, then it's even more lopsided and you're even less justified in your brainlet position.

>>717398763 (OP)
I hear people who played this game had a blast. A real 100% non artifical blast.

>no clea porn
worthless

>>717401934
And why does that put me on "losing ground"? What is the conflict?

>>717402054
>All of these semi sentient magical beings are killed or 16 year old cripple spends too much time playing vidya in her painted world
Verso and Renoit are literally boomers threatening to throw the playstation out

>>717402139
>Sciel and Lune
>Semi-sentient
Uh-uh

>>717401814
sauce?

>>717402139
If the vidya was killing my daughter I'd throw out the playstation too

>>717402359
for what?

>>717402361
It isn't thought, it's literally the only thing they do as painters. Their power is making really fun VR and then getting too into it for a bit

>>717402442
It was killing Aline tho

>>717402648
An extreme case, even Renoit admits he had been stuck before in a painting. desu if he didn't threaten to blow up the whole thing I don't think Alicia would even have opposed him.

>>717399286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGya_P6wa1o

The canvas world is probably doomed no matter what isn't it?
>Renoir burns the canvas once Alicia croaks from spending too much time inside
>either Renoir or Clea come back and drag Alicia out then burn the canvas

Like atleast Lune and Sciel might make it to old age but that's it.

>>717402932
Renoir is such an idiot, just let one last memoir of your son live away from Aline.

>>717403032
Aline is incapable of not going in the fucking canvas, she even finds it after maelle hides it

Why didn't painted Alicia and real Alicia team up to solve the issue in a different way? painted Alicia implies that real Alicia might be able to find another way to end the family conflict but then it goes nowhere. Then they meet, have a pointless duel and then painted Alicia just wants to die and Verso gets upset even though he wanted to kill everyone anyway????? whaaaat??? The story kind of takes a big fucking shit after a while. It was more interesting at the start, the family drama was the weakest part of the game by far. Then they obviously give you the illusion of choice with the endings, they portray the Maelle ending as bad and Verso ending and good because of MUH CLOSURE but then the whole canvas is deleted.

Your adventure meant nothing, nothing was real, something something grief bad. Alicia is more than likely gonna fucking kill herself in the real world anyway because she made a very clear point of how she's always in pain and can't even talk. I didn't really understand the point of taking the story in the weird direction they did.

>>717403081
He's rich so he probably could just store it somewhere far away from their manor, then again it's probably better to destroy it so Alicia and Aline stop trying to find it.

>>717403081
There's literally nothing stopping him from locking it away in a place she could never know at least until Alicia is older and mature enough to have a real established life. He was just a piece of shit who wanted to destroy the last piece of his son's soul, likely because of his own idiotic missteps in the painting

>>717402932
The nicest option would be just to sterilize all the people of Lumiere and let them all die peacefully of old age. It's not really a viable world for human repopulation. Let Maelle live out a lifetime with them and then abandon the place

>>717402442
>it isn't though
It is, just like her mom

>>717402932
That was my interpretation. If Alicia had left willingly, she probably could've convinced him not to destroy it. But showing that she wouldn't leave no matter what sealed its fate.

>>717403215
every time

>>717403570
and the other characters? Verso and Clea both spent extensive time in the same painting (except peaceful and only good) and were fine. Renoir admits to being stuck in a painting and Aline bringing him out but he implies it was something in the past and he wasn't just fucking aching to go back lol.

>>717403502
We don't know whether Alicia could actually live a full lifetime before the painting kills her, also, having the memories of a full lifetime might fuck her up who knows.

>The nicest option would be just to sterilize all the people of Lumiere and let them all die peacefully of old age.
everyone but Sciel would hate this, then there's the gestrals who would just keep respawning.

>>717403215
The painting world will inevitably die, and the family, after working through their grief, will also inevitably die, except for Clea who will carry on.
All the drama of the citizens of Lumiere, and the members of the family; it meant the whole world to them, but on a larger scale, it's just some unimportant events that pass by momentarily.
Maybe, the point isn't to save everything. Maybe the point is simply to get lost in the emotion of the ephemeral experience.

>>717402139
>All of these semi sentient magical beings are killed
Did you forget about the entire city full of people that the game spends its entire first two acts establishing at extensive length are just as much real people as everyone outside the canvas

>>717403776
> Renoir admits to being stuck in a painting and Aline bringing him out but he implies it was something in the past and he wasn't just fucking aching to go back lol.
Yeah because Aline forced him out and helped him deal with his problems. The verso canvas is dangerous to Aline and Alicia because his soul being in there allows them to easily delude themselves and larp that Verso didn't die. If they'd willingly step out and deal with their grief first, like Aline made Renoir do, then the problem would be solved. Unfortunately, they were unwilling do to that. So Renoir puts on the daddy pants and helps Aline the same way she once helped him.

>>717403921
It's never stated that theare "just as much" real people. They are more than animal but less than the Painters. They should be allowed to live and I do not think the painters choosing to spend too much time should mean they die, but they are also completely fabricated.

>>717403809
The gestrals (and the grandis and esquire) are too juvenile to really give a shit about the end of the world. Only monoco developed any complex emotions, seemingly as a result of spending a lot of close personal time with actual intelligent humans. The only tragedies of the Verso ending are Lune, Sciel, and Monoco, and they capture the different feelings on Verso's actions pretty well: Acceptance, hurt understanding, and seethe.

>>717404032
This is Renoir's perspective but it makes no sense because Alicia was open to Renoir's plan after Act 2 until he was just like "yeah, let's destroy everything". He has also been mentally degraded by his involvement in the painting and doesn't have the perspective that all of this was just a speck of time in the outside world.

game of the decade

>>717404265
He has no reason to believe Alicia and Aline will control themselves while the painting is still around, Alicia wouldn't have parts of face melt away during her ending if she actually took proper care of herself

>>717404265
>Alicia was open to Renoir's plan after Act 2 until he was just like "yeah, let's destroy everything".
That's an extremely generous interpretation of Alicia's point of view and an extremely unforgiving one of Renoir's. Alicia's plan was all "I'll stay and papa will help." Renoir's plan was all "We're all leaving and the canvas is going away." This idea that Alicia was ever open to some kind of middle ground is a fiction invented by people who need to feel justified in their ending choice. Alicia was never willing to leave. She was there for the same reason as Aline - to pretend Verso was still alive. Her motivation was even stronger, because she killed him.

>>717404452
He drove her to this decision in the moment after act 2. This is a world where she could be normal. Imagine being severely injured, finding a wy to live normally and then having your father say he wants to destroy that for some bullshit, delusional reason he was convinced of solely by being trapped under a tower for 67 fake years. She could have been a casual visitor and honestly it's not written in stone at the end of the Maelle ending anyway. Whereas in the Verso ending it is written in stone, the magical beings that were brought to life are snuffed out, Alicia is just the horrifically injured daughter, and Renoir has eradicated what is left of his son's soul, in one fell swoop. There's heavy implication that Renoir is not what he once was either.

>>717404670
See>>717404518

>>717404828
Yeah, I disagree obviously. Maelle literally tells Renoir that she won't become engrossed by the painting. The entire verso ending is just traumatized fake Verso thinking he knows better than Alicia. she was always willing to leave at some points as the real Verso and Clea were. Renoir was traumatized himself for 67 years and Aline was an outlying case. Maelle killing Verso just proves that it isn't for some shallow bullshit and that the being within the painting are not just NPCs to them.

>>717404670
>There's heavy implication that Renoir is not what he once was either.
You're immensely delusional and it only got stronger as your post went on. Absolutely nothing implies that, all we see of Renoir in Verso's ending is him and the wife he spent nearly 7 decades fighting with engaged in a loving embrace. Given how much this game blatantly leaves up to our interpretation, that you can take one of the very few obvious details and still invent some fictional deeper meaning to try and subvert it is distressing. You're delusional at best and dishonest at worst. You may have the last word.

>>717405060
>Aline was an outlying case.
So was Alicia, who had every motivation that Aline did in addition to guilt over causing Verso's death AND being physically maimed in the real world, you fucking retard.

>>717398763 (OP)
Shouldn't have lied to me faggot.
Shouldn't have let Gustave die.
Now you get to be the soul battery to your gaslit little sister's eternal daydream.

Now play the fucking piano.

>>717404110
It doesn't need to be stated because it's shown exhaustively. Gustave, Lune, and Sciel are representative of every single person in Lumiere, all of them are artificial but are shown at extreme length to be indistinguishable from real people and they all have their own emotions, desires, fears, they feel love and hatred, pain and sorrow, joy and levity. The only piece of evidence you need to prove they have free, individual will and are as human as anyone outside the canvas is the fact that the expeditions exist at all, because Aline definitely did not paint an entire civilization of people with the desire to come and kill her

>>717405138
>every single word of every single post still dripping with seethe about Verso
This game is the gift that keeps giving

>>717398763 (OP)
>ahem

>>717405185
Versotards are simply too stupid to understand this, I'm afraid

>>717400690
>>717401149
Ngl seeing this shot for the first time was kinda cathartic
Could not stand Lune, terrible character

>>717402139
>Verso and Renoit are literally boomers threatening to throw the playstation out
More like concerned family members trying to take a drug addict's heroin away if we're doing metaphors

Objectively better ending. Death of all people inside simulation overweights suffering of single family of 5 people.

>>717406750
>le simulation
Hey anon I'm God, your entire life and everything in it has been a simulation, I'm afraid. Now I'm going to obliterate the entire universe, and you, everyone you know, and everything you've ever experienced will be as though it never happened. I hope you aren't upset by this

>>717406858
>b-b-but what if God
Billions of people already believe that God flooded the earth and killed almost everyone in it and they're fine with it

>>717406858
Go on then. Oblivion awaits.

>>717400690
Please refer to :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9rBGOMdJCk
The dev team is split on the ending

>>717406858
If we live in simulation and only, for exemple, Kardashian family only the "real" ones, i wouldn't mind them to suffer so my world and could live on.

>>717398763 (OP)
STOP QUOTING PAPA

>>717407409
*and i

>>717399286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dffRUOBNGB8&list=RDdffRUOBNGB8&start_radio=1

>>717406750
But the people in the simulation will die no matter what. And Alicia and Aline will die. Painters that can create worlds filled with life will die. Paintings that will remain unpainted.

>>717406932
And? Most of them were also fine with stoning women for wearing two types of fabric, doesn’t really set a high bar for moral acceptance. Just because people cope with divine-scale massacres in bedtime stories doesn't mean simulationcide becomes righteous when you slap a tragic piano soundtrack over it. You're not God, you're the manager at a digital orphanage flipping the off switch because the power bill made you sad.

>>717399286

https://youtu.be/srvV0riIgXU?si=2-sJtCOLiAfL3dNH

Dubstep,this one is really different from basically everything else in the game

>>717408191
>you're the manager at a digital orphanage flipping the off switch because the power bill made you sad
Think of the heckin Sims...

>>717406932
They aren't fine with it, they view it as a warning of God's wrath and deeply fear it. Literally every christian believes that when they die they'll ascend to a place of iimmortality, it's the entire impetus behind abrahamic faith. No one worships a god that they think is going to erase their consciousness forever

>>717399286
i am always hyped to hear this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV7GN7siTzM

>>717398992
Clea could have spent 10 minutes of real-world time in the painting and fixed this mess but apparently killing the writers is too important

>>717408862
>Clea could have spent 10 minutes of real-world time in the painting and fixed this mess
There wouldn't be a plot if she did that
or if the painted family wasn't retarded
or if Lumiere's inhabitants weren't retarded
among other things

>>717402932
Clea should have realistically gone in the painting after realizing the nevron thing was taking too long and used paintress shit, her combined powers with renoir's would have rekt aline easily

>>717408976
Yeah there shouldn't have been a conflict or characters making decisions that other characters didn't agree with, that would make it a more engaging story

>>717398763 (OP)

>>717408191
Honestly this is the most eloquent version of "just pull the damn plug" I've ever read. You're absolutely right though-too many people treat "tragic" like it auto-justifies pointless suffering. If the simulation's full of sentient beings creating art, dreaming dreams, and being more than just code, pulling the fusebox isn't a mercy kill, it's genocide with good PR. There's more humanity in a single desperate sketch from Alicia than in the entire smug logic of "lesser suffering wins."

>>717399358
It’s underrated. I remember when I heard this for the first time in Spring Meadows that this was a special game. This track gave the game a fever dream, ethereal feel to it at that point in the story because it played right after the slaughter and with the mystery of the paintress & gommage looming—it felt like I was dreaming after waking up from a nightmare. I wish the game had just doubled down on that mystique to the end—no need for the family affair, just finish the expedition (simple is good). But I still like the game a lot and how it ended.

>>717398763 (OP)

>>717398763 (OP)
It's the least of what he deserves.

>>717398980
Don't steal my pics you double nigger!

>>717400690
>mass genocide
he killed 2 people

>>717398763 (OP)
I'm glad this game flopped.

>>717410164
You don't need your characters to be lobotomized to have conflict or disagreements

>>717398763 (OP)
deserved

>>717401472
>this stranger
It's been years. He's not a stranger anymore.

>>717401330
>whether he even has a right to free thought under Maelle
Why would he not?

>>717398763 (OP)
Unironically, Alicia dying in the fire would've been the best outcome.
Renoir would've coped like a normal person and moved on.

>>717399479
>"He's a liar!"
>"He's a manipulator!"
>"He's a backstabber!

The poetic irony of Painted Verso's character is despite being a lying, selfish backstabber, the real Verso would've done the same because all of his actions ultimately lead to saving his family in the end, which is what he would've wanted most.
That's what makes his character the most fascinating; while he seemingly possesses the qualities of a villain, he's inadvertently the protagonist of the story.

There's a reason he has a halo; he's an angel in disguise.

>bruuuuh this game is full of detail bruh!
>look at the flower petals bruh! that shows you which painters are using their powers bruh
>White is Aline, red is Renior, gold is Maelle, and green is Clea bruh!
>Get to the Maelle vs Painted Alicia scene
>Painted Alicia turns into red flowers when gommaged
>She was created by Aline and got gommaged by Maelle, no Renior involved
Why the fuck are the petals in that scene red then? 33 fans can never answer this question

>>717400690
The writer unfortunately went for a heavy handed allegorical ending about family grief that completely clashes with the themes of the first 2/3 of the game. If you go with Verso's ending absolutely nothing that happened in the story mattered at all. The Expeditions accomplished nothing and if they hadn't tried at all the outcome would have been exactly the same. It's just terribly nihilistic and makes the whole journey feel pointless.Saving Lumiere should have always been the goal but by the end you're just supposed to accept that these people didn't matter at all

>>717398763 (OP)
Is the plot of this bane good

It's time to stop painting

>>717416247
>got gommaged by Maelle
proofs?

>all the little hints that Verso has some connection with the Writers
>but we never see this out in the open and the focus is never put on this, just a subtle idea that is planted in the players mind that there is some kind thing going on behind the scenes
I kind of expect real Verso to have some sort of role in a sequel with the Writers.

>>717420868
>all the little hints that Verso has some connection with the Writers
He's their favorite character in the fictional world that they Wrote.

>>717420169
>proofs?
play the game, retard. Maelle puts her hand on Painted Alicia and dissipate her.

>>717421991
>Maelle puts her hand on Painted Alicia and dissipate her.
I assume you have a video with a timestamp

>>717398763 (OP)
I like how pretentiously French the game is it makes me wish they kept the original title “We Lost”

>>717400690
>they cared about lune enough to help her find her parents and probably romance her
>they cared enough about sciel to help her get over her fear of water and probably romance her
>they cared enough about monaco to help bring his companion back from the dead
>the ending comes and it's lol it's like the sims bro who cares just throw them in the recycle bin lmao
Why did versofags just stop liking the characters at exactly that point. You can't even blame it on not knowing they were painted because the end of all the companion quests is after the reveal.

>>717404265
>He has also been mentally degraded by his involvement in the painting and doesn't have the perspective that all of this was just a speck of time in the outside world
This. He himself says he "spent 67 years trapped under the monolith". He's as out of touch as Aline and shouldn't be making drastic decisions like that in his current state. But I guess if the Dessendre family was reasonable, we wouldn't have a story, and them being unreasonable while grieving is the entire point. Even Clea is grieving by going on a pointless revenge quest, but a lot of people somehow dismiss her as not giving a shit, as if she's not hurting too, but trying to "shoulder" the family and world like her Axon.

>>717405331
>Side with him in P5
>Side with Alicia in E33
Yep, feels good to be an escapism chad

>>717422036
>Excrement 33 fans never play the game they shill
kek

>>717422846
>no video
Concession accepted

>>717399286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo8OvFEdxGA

>>717422261
Games shouldn't just have downer endings with no possible positive outcomes. The players choices should matter and you ought to be able earn a good ending if you work hard enough. Doing all the sidequests and maxing companion loyalty should actually mean something at the end of the game otherwise what's the point. There's a lot I love about this game but I think both endings are trash. It's like Mass Effect 3 all over again for me

Oh no I have to be alive and perform an art I am passionate for to an enthralled audience

>no you see im dead!
>therefore my desires are just and true
>and all of this is wrong
>the shadow of a vestige of who I am needs to die
>so I can be dead!
Verso was right, only he had the wrong solution. Mad dogs should be put down, the next verso will be much more stable after its concept of self is pruned.

>>717423435
Oh boo hoo the world isn't always happy. Deal with it faglord.

>>717423483
Alicia will want Verso to remember the fun adventure times they had together, otherwise what's the point? Even if it's not strictly the "same" painted Verso, she will always implant him with memories of the old, so it doesn't matter. He's destined to suffer forever, or at least until Alicia dies

>>717400690
>Delete minecraft world
>Genocide committed

>>717423719
>>717405185

>>717423719
>uninstall game
>billions die

>>717408862
>>717408976
>>717398992
Clea knows that Renoir is right, so she also tries to get her dumb sister be useful for once so he won't need to waste more time to fix shit up with those two losers

My solution:
> obey dad and leave painting to touch grass IRL,
>release dead brothers soul from the painting,
>grow up, form real bonds,
>become adult,make own painting.
>the OP of this thread puts a gun in his mouth and pulls the trigger sparing us from further daily coping threads in the future.
Problem solved.

>>717423435
Life ain’t all rainbows and cupcakes lil nigga

>>717399286
any of the Renoir tracks really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMbTzomh94

>>717415265
>>717399479
>paint your deceased son
>has the same qualities, maybe even increase those qualities
>last act was sacrifice himself for his family
>surprised that the painted version sacrifices himself and the entire world for his family

Can't really blame Lune and Sciel, they were painted by Maelle with "they trust Verso" trait

>>717422884
NTA but here, you retard
https://youtu.be/LItGIL9XfzE?feature=shared&t=561

>>717424404
>Secret Boss Fight
Wtf dude spoilers

>>717416969
You basically get to experience the story from Maelle's perspective

>>717424404
No need to give him the link, anon. He exposed himself as never playing this game so any opinion he has can be discarded.

lot of bots trained on a game no one played... what is the purpose of this? distraction?

>ao3 page is just Verso fucking gustave or incest shit
why are women like this

>>717405060
>Maelle literally tells Renoir that she won't become engrossed by the painting.
You mean when she lies to him and admits that to Verso?
> she was always willing to leave at some points as the real Verso and Clea were
No, she wasn't. She even says that to Verso

astroturfed garbage

>>717424854
vapid contrarian

>This game's shills never play the game
lmao, is there any 'fanbase' as low as this one

>>717400690
Versotards have no answer to Real Verso considering everyone in the painting real

>>717424854

>>717426638
That's not real verso.

>>717426707
It's a fragment of his soul, but it's also what he genuinely thought of his canvas.

>>717426924
So not real Verso. That; soul's also fine with killing his sister's creations because they frighten him.

Yeah yeah yeah, real nice and all that sort,
but-
just Release the Epstein list Donnie, why are you dodging and skating around the Epstein question Donnie?

>>717426638
>verso (falso) asks him if he wants to stop painting
>he just gets up and walks away and lets all his friends die
I guess he didn't mean it

>>717427071
If Versofags use the Fading Boy as justification for deleting the painted because he's "tired of painting", then how come the inverse doesn't work? Flying Manor is a post game area and he's placed there deliberately with this dialogue only occuring after defeating the second hardest superboss in the game. From both a game design and a writing standpoint that piece of dialogue exists to make you rethink your hardline "they're not real" stance.

>>717427409
>that piece of dialogue exists to make you rethink your hardline "they're not real" stance.
In the same dialogue he confirms that Clea does not agree with his stance. But sure, if the child says he thinks Santa Claus is real then it must be the truth.

>>717427409
Versofags are perfectly aware the painted people are aware, they just don't believe Verso's own self-determination should come secondary to theirs.

>>717427385
After almost witnessing yet another fracture because his family can't get their shit together. He created a joyful place for him and his family and they're so selfish they want to destroy the one place he ever created where a small piece of him still exists. This is all they have left of him. And NONE of them ever talk to him. Yes he's only a fragment of his soul, but obviously he's lucid enough to converse with pVerso.
There's not a single line in the game that indicates that Verso would want his canvas to be destroyed.

>>717423435
How exactly is Verso's ending a downer ending? Their family can finally move on from their grief. That's the best possiblt type of ending to the narrative

>>717428361
Everyone in the Canvas dies.

>>717400690
Only trannies side with the fantasy ending

>>717398980
Why is her head so fucking huge?

>>717428448
Only trannies play fantasy video games.

>>717427409
Painted Verso KNOWS they're real. He still wants to sacrifice himself and everyone else to save his family because that's what the real Verso did and Aline painted an almost exact copy of him.
BTW he was really planning on going along with Alicia until he saw Aline suffering in the real world and Alicia lie to Renoir. He changed his mind because he knew the same fate would await her. This is what most people miss. He changed his motivation at the end of Act 2 and then again at the end of Act 3.

>>717426638
That's because he's stuck in there, that's his reality, a fantasy you can't escape may as well be real, he still wants to stop painting, I see no contradicción

>>717428570
that's the best you got huh... (you) there you go champ

>>717428728
Considering how trash your post was, I don't need more than that.

>>717428361
>Lumiere and everyone in it dead
>Gestrals all dead
>Grandis all dead
>Esquie dead
>Monoco dead
>Francois dead
>World gone forever

>Alicia has now witnessed a world she lived in and was a part of for 16 years completely destroyed with everyone and everything she knew in it gone forever and now has to live in constant pain in a ruined shell of a body half blind mute and with no real possibilities of a happy future

How is that in any way a good ending?

>>717428942
They aren't dead because they were never alive.

>>717407167
Endningniggers will always feel slighted that the devs didn't make their preferred ending happy happy sunshine with no downsides

>>717424697
A lot of women love incest, probably because it's romantic

>>717429026
>devs just wanted endless shitflinging threads on /v/
based

>>717408862
You're totally right, I like to think that deep down Clea still felt attached to the canvas she spent so much time with her childhood brother in, and didn't want to be directly responsible for destroying it, and so she left that up to Renoir and used "muh writers" as cope because she feels some need to never show any weakness.

>>717415265
This, doing things that subvert the idea of a traditional JRPG hero just pissed off /v/irgins that desperately wish they could isekai.

>>717399286
for me its verso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpYzRZKu5tw
appears almost too often in the game, but the part. but the way the bass notes fight the melody just does it for me every goddamn time.

>>717423435
>ME WANT HAPPY
>GIVE HAPPY NOW

>>717423446
>enthralled
you could say that

>>717429018
Even if you don't consider any of the canvas creations to be real or alive it's still a completely shit ending for Maelle. She has no future in the real world and was better off staying in the simulation even if it killed her. Clea doesn't give a shit one way or the other so the only ones really benefitting are Aline and Renoir. Is it really worth destroying a world of possibly sentient being just to save a marriage?

>>717424697
>why are painter women like this

>>717429207
Correct. Clea is the most misunderstood character in the game anyway (even moreso than pVerso). Anyone who thinks she doesn't care or isn't grieving is misreading her character.

>>717427815
>There's not a single line in the game that indicates that Verso would want his canvas to be destroyed.
>Wanna stop painting?
>*nods*
Hmm

>>717429809
She IS very cold. My initial read was that she was a psycho, because what the fuck was she thinking making her solution:
>I'll enslave my painted self, force her to mass produce nevrons which will brutally murder painted people, and condemn her love interest to near-endless suffering
I get that she was as motivated by grief as Aline was when she foolishly painted sentient life into a canvas, but god damn that was all fucked up.

>>717429704
The canvas is getting destroyed no matter what, only difference is whether it happens after verso wins or in 10 minutes irl when Renoir and Clea realize Alicia is not getting out.

>>717428617
>BTW he was really planning on going along with Alicia until he saw Aline suffering in the real world
Bullshit. The reason he was upset about Aline coming back into the Canvas was because he was banking on Renoir being undefeatable. Without her help the Expedition was guaranteed to fail so he could just pretend to go along with them.

>>717429704
>She has no future in the real world and was better off staying in the simulation even if it killed her.
These are the words of someone who doesn't want to work to improve their own life projecting their despondency onto this video game. That's what's great about interpretive art - when so much is left up to your own interpretation, the function of the art becomes to tell you something about yourself.
>She's gonna have it rough, may as well give up and pursue comfortable self-destruction. Now back to my junk food and vidya

>>717430109
>The reason he was upset about Aline coming back into the Canvas was because he was banking on Renoir being undefeatable.
A convoluted headcanon with no proof. If Verso wanted Renoir to win, or only desired his own oblivion, all he had to do was stand there for 5 seconds and let Renoir gommage him at the beginning of act three.

>>717430103
Exactly, so let her have her fun and let the people of Lumiere live out their lives.
Then pull her out and let her go live in some other Canvas.

>>717399535
damn snipers got this poor guy before he could fi

>>717430245
It's like giving a junkie unlimited access to heroin. They don't just "get their fill" and move on, they just shoot up until they die.

>>717430109
>The reason he was upset about Aline coming back into the Canvas was because he was banking on Renoir being undefeatable
Why would he think that? They already defeated the Paintress. He's upset because he thought he set her free by forcing her to go home and she just comes back as if nothing happened, hurting herself in the process. Remember Aline is his actual "mother", there's no painted version of her. His motivation is setting her free, not erasing everything and everyone, which is just the solution he chooses because all other options were denied.

>>717430236
>no proof
Everything he ever did throughout the entire game was aimed at destroying the Canvas so he could finally die.
What has no proof is the claim that he cared about anything else.

>>717430369
If the junkie happens to be a cripple who's life is miserable agony no matter what, then that is an acceptable option.

>>717430385
>Everything he ever did throughout the entire game was aimed at destroying the Canvas so he could finally die.
If you truly believe this explain why he would ever bother to help Alicia at all instead of ending it right at the beginning of Act 3.

>>717426638
With stuff like this, it's impossible to tell what the writer even intended with the ending.

>>717430385
For all he knows Alicia would unpaint him after defeating Renoir. Hell, maybe she would've if they talked it through. She panicked and snapped because she thought Verso was destroying her life the same way her father was.

>>717430385
Not sure if you're retarded or being deceptive but I was very obviously referring to your claim about Verso "banking on Renoir being undefeatable." Which is why I quoted it in my post. Yet even dodging me calling out your obvious falsehood you can't help but reply with another:
>Everything he ever did throughout the entire game was aimed at destroying the Canvas so he could finally die.
At the beginning of act III, Renoir says "hold still while I kill you" and Alicia says "No, live and help me fight papa and save the canvas!" and would you just take a guess what the guy who wants nothing except to die does?

>>717430236
That was exactly his plan. All his lying and manipulation was to lead you to the Act 2 end where everyone gets gommaged . He fully expected to die right there and was only after that failed that he got truly desperate

>>717430789
>and would you just take a guess what the guy who wants nothing except to die does?
Stands there and accepts the Gommage until Alicia manually cancels it. Then he's stunned by the realization that she won't let him die as she literally drags him away.

>>717430850
He changed his mind and then changed it again when he saw Aline suffer in the real world and Alicia lie to her dad, knowing the same fate would await her. That's when he finally became like the real Verso and decided to sacrifice it all for their wellbeing.

>>717430461
>miserable agony no matter what
holy shit look at her, it's a miracle she's standing she's so clearly racked with pain. Millions of people live with chronic pain, and without the opportunities being that being a rich wizard provides. Quit being a faggot.

>>717431047
headcanon

>>717431115
>scarred
>one eyed
>mute
>in pain
>unfuckable
>hated or ignored by her family
>JUST LIVE WITH IT BITCH!
big brain take

>>717431136
Nope. If he didn't change his mind he wouldn't have continued fighting and bonding with Alicia and friends

>>717431136
headcanon is thinking his motivation in Act 3 was all an elaborate scheme to get Renoir to kill him, when he very easily could've just joined Real Renoir at against Alicia at the beginning of the act on the promise that Renoir would destroy the canvas in the end.

>>717430953
>Oh no, this 16 year old child is preventing me from achieving my goals.
>Should I maybe shake her off and achieve my goal?
>No! I better follow her and do everything in my power to help her prevent me from achieving my goals.

>>717430850
>only after that failed
And why again did that fail? Oh, because he chose to flee and help Alicia rather than stay and die. What odd behavior for someone concerned only with bringing about his own death.
>>717430953
>she literally drags him away
Yeah he's an immortal badass who, as the ending shows, is at the very least capable of overpowering her in a fight, but he has zero agency when it comes to leaving with her. Play the game nigger, he moves his own feet.

>>717430109
if he thought Renoir was undefeatable AFTER Alicia unlocked her painter power he's the biggest retard in history, your post doesn't make sense

>>717431237
>scarred
>one eyed
People live with worse.
>mute
Perfectly capable of communicating with her family, as we see with Clea.
>unfuckable
>hated or ignored by her family
headcanon
>just live with it
Yup.

>>717431340
kek

>>717431440
Aliciafag cope depends entirely on the least forgiving possible interpretation of anything verso/renoir does, the most forgiving possible interpretation of anything alicia does, and a healthy dose of lies. Not unlike versofags who argue that Lumierenes are nonsentient AIs or that the canvas world doesn't matter. This plot is entry level nuance - both endings are obviously meant to be very tragic, with a glimmer of positive takeaway.

>>717431797
>Not unlike versofags who argue that Lumierenes are nonsentient AIs or that the canvas world doesn't matter
I have never once seen a versofag actually argue that, just Aliciafags who want to make versofags look bad

>>717431885
It is, bizarrely, an opinion held by some people in both camps. Aliciafags just seem more soaked in vitriol because a majority of normies seem to consider Verso's ending the "happy" one.

>>717431572
Do you really think though that if a simulation existed virtually indistinguishable from reality where people like this could choose normal lives free from pain that they wouldn't choose that option instead. If your reality is just a completely shit one of course you will take the blue pill

>>717431272
Of course he would. The option he had been working towards was denied to him so he just kept going through the motions while trying to figure out a new plan.

>>717432303
>Renoir is literally standing right there saying "I am going to destroy the Canvas and free Verso"
>instead of joining him in service of his previous goal, Verso decides to stand with Alicia and oppose him
>this is actually 6D chess in the retarded minds of Maellefags

>>717431797
>Not unlike versofags who argue that Lumierenes are nonsentient AIs or that the canvas world doesn't matter
I think you can write those people off as shitposting or falseflagging. Not even Renoir or Verso believe that.

>>717430274
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, ki

I want to FUCK Verso and Renoir.

>>717432116
>Do you really think though that if a simulation existed virtually indistinguishable from reality where people like this could choose normal lives free from pain that they wouldn't choose that option instead.
Sure, but if it slowly killed you, I wouldn't let my child suicide by happy drug. If Alicia would step out voluntarily and get over how fucked up she clearly is about causing Verso's death, I'm sure she could go back to using the canvas responsibly. For a lot longer, and do actual meaningful work to improve their lives, beyond simply fixing the opera house so they can all watch someone only she cares about play piano.

>>717399479
Fucking this
I'm not pro-Maelle, I'm anti-Cuckso

>>717432303
>was denied to him
No it wasn't, he denied it by choosing to help Alicia instead. If Verso only wanted to die, he would've stood there for 5 more seconds and let Renoir kill him.

>>717432704
we don't know if she would, Renoir never offered her that choice

>>717432420
Some, for sure, but you have to remember how fucking stupid some people are. For example: >>717432303

>>717432609
You're almost based but there's someone you forgot.

>>717432830
From the moment Alicia wakes up after Renoir's big gommage, her goal is to stay in the canvas. Her plan is for Renoir to help her rebuild it. She never wanted to leave. Nothing suggests she ever did. She is not any less guilty of avoiding middle ground than Renoir. You will continue to cope about this fact.

>>717415265
>dying in Maelle ending
>instead of begging her to leave the painting he begs her to unpaint him

He always had his priorities in order, what he wants above all else, fuck him for pretending to have any nobility

>>717433038
I never said she wasn't just as guilty? I'm not who you're arguing with btw, I just think Renoir as the """"responsible adult""""" should maybe actually talk to his family instead of taking a hammer and smashing his sons memento into pieces
we don't even know what happens to Aline in Maelle's ending. Does she finally get over it? If not, is she in the canvas again? If yes, seems like a pretty big oversight to not show her

>>717433108
The first words out of his mouth are "Alicia, I beg you, stop him from painting," so once again you are lying.

>>717433313
Which is exactly what he wants, what's your point?

>>717433274
Renoir's actions are far from perfect of course. He's in a tough spot - his son dies, his wife refuses to talk about it, and then retreats into their son's canvas and creates a race of sentient humans, complete with an alternate version of their family, to cope with the grief and delude herself into feeling like he's alive. In his own past, Renoir had lost himself in a canvas, and Aline saved him by forcing him out. His new goal becomes to help her as she helped him, only it doesn't go smoothly because she's a better painter. So he spends nearly 7 decades slowly winning a near-stalemate, and once he finally triumphs, his first interaction with his daughter is her saying "hey dad I'm gonna do the same thing mom was doing." Of course he could've talked it out better but I can see why he did what he did.

>>717433446
Babbyverso's soul is maintaining the canvas, stopping him from painting would end the canvas, meaning Alicia would have to leave, retard. Verso is already defeated in this cutscene, he has no further strength to resist Alicia. He FIRST begs for her to end this madness (his perspective) and, when it's clear that she will not, then begs to not be made to watch her destroy herself. An odd request for a copy of someone who sacrificed his own life to save hers, I know!

>>717429829
>>717427815
>>717427385
>>717426638
Both real and painted Verso didn't want to destroy the canvas but they were fed up with their families bullshit.
That's all there is to it.

>>717423435
It's not a downer ending.
> Doing all the sidequests and maxing companion loyalty should actually mean something at the end of the game otherwise what's the point.
You spend time playing the game because you liked it

>and you ought to be able earn a good ending if you work hard enough.
lmao

>>717433771
>please do thing that will help you (and give me exactly what I want but don't pay attention to that). No? Well can I get what I want anyway?

>>717434092
>please do thing that will help you
Yup, now you're getting it. If Verso only wanted death, he simply would've let Renoir gommage him. That is fact. You may now continue coping.
>b-but alicia f-forced him to-
"No!"

>>717398992
>>717408862
Clea can't just come in and beat Aline. This is not a powerscaling type game, but "she who controls the chroma controls the canvas", and all of the chroma in the canvas is with Aline, which is why Clea/Renoir need the Nevrons in the first place. Even giganerfed Aline still easily kept Renoir in a stalemate and almost fought off the expedition.

>>717430385
It's not like he wants to die, he knows the canvas has to go.
Throughout the game you see him interact with friends and family members. He doesn't want the canvas world to be gone, he likes those guys a well but it has to be done for the sake of real Dessendre stop fucking shit up and move on

>>717434194
Alicia could've repainted him, thus fucking up his plans to get exactly what he wanted and nothing else

>>717434203
The way combat works is pretty unclear. Aline controlled ALL of the Chroma when Renoir entered, and he was still able to fracture the world and get locked into a stalemate. So, the skill of the painter definitely plays a part. Renoir controlled all of the chroma during the final boss fight, and Aline was still able to tip the scales in favor of the party. In the end, we don't entirely know how fighting with Chroma works. It's possible Clea couldn't have slapped Aline out but it's not unreasonable to assume she could've done more, especially given what she did to Simon and painted Clea.

>>717434446
>Simon
That was just cruel. What the fuck Clea

>>717434721
>paints over you
Nothing personnel :)

>REMINDER TO VERSOFAGS ITT
Guillaume and Yen said they were surprised players assumed the Maelle ending was deliberately framed negatively because that wasn't the intention. All it was supposed to show was Alicia losing herself in the painting. (You) assuming the Lumierians or Gustave and Sophie are supposed to look uncanny is headcanon.

>>717435118
>All it was supposed to show was Alicia losing herself in the painting
How is that not negative?

>>717432116
>>717431237
>world where literal fucking magic exists that allows you to just isekai yourself to whatever world you can create
>surely there's absolutely zero ways to be able to live your life despite being a cripple
Nah, Alicia is just being retarded and a crack addict

>>717435118
>yeah let's make Verso look as miserable as humanly possible
>and make it all black and white, really somber that shit up
>oh and throw in a jump scare of Maelle with her eyes all fucked up like Aline's
>how the hell did they think this was framed negatively?

>>717435252
It is. But they mean that they're not all controlled lifeless puppets like some people suggest, but rather their own people like they were before. In another interview with the funny mutt man from this image (>>717429506) they also say the "losing part of yourself" reincarnation thing only applies to Gestrals and that humans work differently

>>717435360
That's just a classic French good ending.

>>717435360
What I (and presumably they) mean is that obviously both endings have their negatives, but their intention wasn't to paint (heh) Maelle's ending as the "bad" one and Verso's as the "good" one

Reminder that all this ending drama could have been avoided if Verso didn't let Gustave die.

>>717435915
Shot himself in the foot because he didn't know Gustave. Gustave would've wanted what's best for Maelle, which is leaving the canvas. For those who come after.

>>717435118
Both endings are full of vague details meant to be interpreted by the player. "Lumierens are automatons" is no different from "Alicia is going to kill herself."

>>717435915
We really have no idea how Gustave would've handled the revelations.

>>717436034
I don't understand how "for those who come after" applies to anything because the world is either wiped out entirely or it stagnates

>>717399479
He manipulated and pulled strings for a hundred years and now he's the one having his strings pulled

>>717435360
You got exactly what you wanted what did you expect?

>>717438107
The beautiful world Alicia will paint when she's done grieving and fully masters painting canvases. A world full of life, much like the one Aline created in Verso's canvas, inspired by everything Alicia went through and everyone she lost.

>>717432961
Not my type.

>>717437864
la creatura americana.... ay dios mio...

>>717438421
>The beautiful world Alicia will paint when she's done grieving
She stays in the canvas to avoid grieving at all.

It's crazy how much of a brat Alicia is compared to Maelle. Maelle handled Gustaves death and was able to move on much better than Alicia did with Verso.

>>717438787
>the pampered rich kid is more of a brat than the orphan girl who grew up in a doomed world
gosh

>>717398763 (OP)
>and that's a good thing

>>717428417
they were already dead the moment renoir gommages the entire world when aline is out

>She has no future in the real world and was better off staying in the simulation even if it killed her.
>>717430145
These are the words of someone who doesn't want to work to improve their own life projecting their despondency onto this video game.

>That's what's great about interpretive art - when so much is left up to your own interpretation, the function of the art becomes to tell you something about yourself.
>She's gonna have it rough, may as well give up and pursue comfortable self-destruction. Now back to my junk food and vidya
aboslutely based truth nuke.

I think this thread proves that the only people on /v/ are emotionally dead autists incapable of feeling anything. The story of this game is completely lost on them, and there's no value to be derived from reading these robots discuss it.

>>717438787
It's funny to think how much Alicia and Maelle wouldn't get along at at all if they were separate people

>>717440104
I think it's the opposite, people uncomfortable with the fact that they project their personal feelings onto absolutely everything, and coping by trying to pretend they're being logical instead.

>>717423435
>noooo, why there is not an obivious good ending fornmy mushy brain to understand?????

>>717440162
>if they were separate people
Anon...

>>717440191
Like the insane projection here >>717440162

>>717438121
>Alicia is a novice painter and incapable of painting over other painters creations, which Verso is
>Because Alicia is such a noob, she can't even paint people from scratch. Verso himself has to teach her how to paint Sciel / Lune and that's despite Alicia having access to their chroma
>If Alicia really did repaint Verso in her own image, why is he hesitating in her fantasy?
Conclusion: It's the same Verso as before (Aline's creation) and he isn't being controlled by Alicia. He's hesitating for a different reason that's up to your interpretation.

>>717422304
It's to mirror Verso himself
He did all those things and helped all those people only to kill them all at the end because he's a piece of shit.
Just like real Verso, see: >>717399074

>>717440459
She at the very least changed his appearance, but based on the dialog, it's much more likely she painted away his immortality. The most likely reason (in my opinion) that he's hesitating is because he's based off of someone who sacrificed his own life to save Alicia, and now has to watch throw that life away as a result of her own guilt on the matter.

>>717414065
Because Versotards need to come up with headcanon to try to even slightly tip the scales back into making these endings balanced.
Of course, as already said in this thread, even if all their headcanon assumptions were correct, their ending would still be nowhere near justified. But Versotards are retards.

>>717440459
but she did alter him in some manner, she removed his scar.

>>717431885
>I have never once seen a versofag actually argue that
So Versofags agree that the Lumieneres are all real people and they still think it's worth killing all of them for the sake of one dysfunctional family of 4 that caused all of this to begin with? Curious!

>>717440621
My thoughts too. He's going through the same thing all over again, except this time there's no out. He tried and he failed.
>>717440724
We don't know that. We know he appears older because she removed his immortality. We do know that Painted Verso and Painted Renoir have control over their appearance and that they themselves chose keeping their scars. Those scars weren't painted by Aline.

>>717435118
Alright, shitting on Versotards is based and all, but I gotta say, you're using their gay tactics by going on about what the authors said outside of the work. That shit is gay as fuck.

The means do not justify the end in this case.

>>717440934
why is Verso's right to self-determination lesser than the Lumierans or Alicia's?

>>717441032
>Why is the right of one person lesser than the right of thousands
Is this a genuine question, Versotard?

>>717441021
This, my interpretation that alicia was a transwoman and her entire struggle was against renoir and verso's cissexism and heteronormativity is every bit as valid as anything the authors say. DEATH of the author bitch.

Hi, I'm a Verso-ending enjoyer.
My favorite movies are No Country for Old Men, Watchmen, The Silence of the Lambs, and Avengers: Infinity War.

>>717441119
Well it's not really about what the Lumierans want in either ending, is it? It's about what Verso or Alicia want. Verso wants to make his own choice. Alicia wants to take that away.

>>717441174
If you can justify it in the text and I cannot justify an opposite interpretation without having to quote the authors outside of their work, then yeah, you'd be right. Death of the Author :)

>>717441306
>Well it's not really about what the Lumierans want in either ending, is it? It's about what Verso or Alicia want.
Why wouldn't I choose Alicia's ending for the sake of all the Lumerians that I saw throughout the entirety of the game?
>>717441238
lol

>>717441021
Nothing wrong with that if it's just to clear up misconceptions like "muh faceless AI people" if it's likely just because of engine limitations like all the clones in the prologue

>>717441397
well if that's where you fall ethically

>>717441480
Nah, still gay. Plus, I give Versotards a point for this one. It can't just be as simple as engine limitations because they were able to have just as many Lumerians as the ones in the ending on the prologue and they didn't have those washed out white clothes. It's very clearly a conscious stylistic choice. Either that or an insane level of laziness for a sequence at the end of the game.

>>717440104
If the authors wanted to make the story about a family dealing with grief where the correct ending is to have them let go of fantasies and go back (Like every piece of soundtrack in the game suggests is the right choice), then maybe they shouldn't have made a scenario where I need to commit genocide to achieve that. Your family drama is simply not that important.

>>717441642
>reasonable aliciafag
As a versotard I offer you an olivebranch. I'm glad we're still out here in the trenches

>>717441805
>If the authors wanted to make the story about a family dealing with grief where the correct ending
They did not, there was no interest in making a "correct ending." You can stop feeling asshurt ANY time, but you won't.

>>717441642
I believe it is indeed supposed to show that Alicia's world is lifeless compared to Aline's, simply because Alicia just isn't as good of a painter. Not literally "lifeless" as in they're controlled drones though.

>>717441903
If that's the case, good. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the authors wanted. I was just replying to someone going "You didn't get what le story was about"

>>717441950
Me too, but it's certainly our interpretation and not presented as fact. The mere suggestion of the possibility drives aliciafriends into a blind, pantsshitting rage for some reason.

>>717441805
Verso ending is killing, at best, three "real" people. The rest of Lumiere is already long dead, you can't call it genocide to not bring them back.

>>717442160
This seemed like a very humane reaction from Sciel to me, especially because it's like every other reaction she had throughout the entire game.

>>717442192
>you can't call it genocide to not bring them back
Sure, I can. Especially when Verso fooled the party into getting all those people killed in the first place lol. But even if that weren't the case, removing the possibility of reviving them and destroying the world rather than just letting them get revived is for all intents and purposes genocide under new more fantastical means.

>>717442020
>If
No if, it's one of the few things they've said concretely. I understand you really want to feel attacked, but it is simply a fact that they had no desire to make a "good" ending

>>717442489
Alright, should have told >>717440104 that, then.

>>717442562
That post doesn't claim there's a good ending. You imagined it because you have delusions of persecution and feel directly targeted by the devs suggesting anything about your preferred ending could be negative.

>>717442368
>removing the possibility of reviving them and destroying the world rather than just letting them get revived is for all intents and purposes genocide
No it's not, because genocide is a term with a strict definition, made for our world where the magical ability to turn people into constituent energy and then reform them does not exist. You could very easily argue that stopping them from being magically revived is bad/morally wrong, because it is, but you're a very emotional person and have a deep need to attach as many badwords as possible to thingyoudon'tlike.

>>717442753
lol this dude pulling a "genocide is a legal definition" bernie sanders on me

>>717399286
>We Lost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAL9RG5YK8

I just can't get enough of this one! It's just so fucking good!

>>717442192
There's other sentient lifeforms living in the canvas, not just humans

>>717398763 (OP)

story is AI generated slop

>>717443335
fight simon without cheese builds and you'll get sick of it eventually

>>717398763 (OP)
Being depressed is tough but when you take it out on other people you lose my sympathy. Verso is like a school shooter.

>>717398763 (OP)
I always wonder if real Verso was suicidal too and that's why he died for Alicia. Like his seemingly selfless act was just as selfish as his painted version

>>717399286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs05Geio770

>>717443434
What retarded take is that? You get sick of any track if you listen to it repeatedly.. I get it that most people cheese the dude, doesn't mean the track isn't slick as hell. It took me hours to kill this guy; and I honestly felt like it was almost a fluke that I managed to just not get the attacks that I suck at parrying during third phase. Simon was easily the best fight in the game for me!

>>717441950
She manages to recreate Sophie, Gustave, Sciel, Lune, the children etc. though? Why can't she revive Alines other creations as well?

>>717444351
Because Alicia has no clue what those creation are so she wouldn't be able to make them identical. Probably also a reason why Lune and Sciel just don't give a fuck about what happens to the canvas at any time or even protests against the idea of being not "real" or literally being fucking erased from existence.

>>717444641
Are you saying she didn't recreate Sciel and Lune but just made faulty copies of them? That's a bold take that is definitely wrong.

>>717444351
It makes sense, no? She creates what she knows.
>Painting isn't about verisimilitude. It's about essence. The truth of who they are.
As Verso says when he helps her repaint Lune and Sciel.
Alicia simply isn't able to paint a living world like Aline did. She's a complete novice.

>>717444879
I dunno, that's pretty fucking weird that at any point in act 3, nobody aside from Verso ever expresses concern or disagreement with the fact that Renoir just wants to erase their existence.

>>717444990
I don't see it as her creating anything, she's bringing them back. I agree she couldn't create them on her own, but since their floating around in the chrona she can bring them back. It's why she can't create a new canvas.

>>717445137
The entire point of their journey and fight is to stop Renoir from erasing them?

>>717445164
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's why her world seems empty and soulless compared to her mom's. Alicia painted her friends with the remnants of their chroma. Aline painted a living and breathing make believe world to live/die in with her fake family. I take it as a difference in philosophy and skill. Aline is an artist and Alicia is a child. It's more nuanced than that but my take on Alicia's world feeling empty is that she's simply not a good enough painter (yet).

>>717445306
Their journey was to stop what they believed was the Paintress from erasing them, but when they fought her, she was basically completely fucked in the head. Renoir on the other hand is completely sane, but nobody other than Verso and Maelle/Alicia talks with him, except for one single unrelated voiceline from Lune.

>>717445164
>she's bringing them back.
Yes, by knowing the truth of who they are. It's by no means set in stone whether or not all the lumierens she brings back are genuine, but it's crazy to pretend there's no room for doubt.

>>717445603
They already knew they were fighting against the end of their world. Whether it's the Paintress or Renoir's doing doesn't really matter in the end. Both of them are for all intents and purposes malevolent Gods to them. I also sincerely doubt Renoir was sane. He too spent 67 years trapped in the canvas.

>>717445826
>I also sincerely doubt Renoir was sane
He didn't go on longwinded malevolent rants and appealed to the party, and especially his daughter, as people. When he was overpowered, rather than fight to the bitter end, he expressed hope that his daughter would come home, and left. I'm with you, 67 years of fighting has to have left him not all there, but he was nothing like Aline. For one, he knew what the fuck was going on and didn't ask questions like "Did I dream the fire?"

>>717398992
>Find painted Clea and she's all sign songy and hangs out with lame beta turtle who steals rocks for fun
No, that was real Clea who hung out with Francois when both her and Verso were children.

>>717445756
There's definitely plenty of room for speculation and doubt in both endings.

>>717434229
>It's not like he wants to die
When Alicia defeats him at the end the only thing he says is
>Please let me die!

i dont know man by the time i got to the ending i was emotionally checked out
i was mostly checked out after act 1
i didnt care much for verso and i wasn't a fan of the twist since i'd literally just read a story prior to the game that had the same twist and message of facing le grief and reality and escapism bad so i was fatigued from that as well
i went with verso since i thought it was right that it all ended in ash, even if they'd bring everyone back it wouldn't be the same and maelle stoppped being cute in act 3, well she stopped after act 1
also the only characters i had geniune sympathy for were gustave and painted alicia, especially the latter she didnt deserve ANY of that

>>717445603
They both say things to Renoir before you fight him, Sciel says she grieves for many, Lune talks about letting Maelle make her own decisions, how he has no right to force his will on her, they talk about regrets etc. It makes sense that they let Maelle do most of the talking. They clearly care.

>>717439869
>they were already dead the moment renoir gommages the entire world when aline is out
No, Alicia can still see their Chroma floating around and can restore them, good as new. Like she does with Lune and Sciel.

>>717446318
I think it's obvious he wants to die. The game all but spells it out with "I'm tired". But that anon is right that dying isn't his sole goal, like the real Verso he wants to save his family.

>>717446426
>Lune talks about letting Maelle make her own decisions, how he has no right to force his will on her,
hrm

>>717446517
I think he uses saving the family outside the canvas as an excuse to get to die. Why would he value them over the people he actually lived with and who love him? He's willing to kill his sister to save people he only has weird implanted memories of.

>>717446426
ironically both of them got it from Verso (they always say it, but it's brought up in conversation with him when maxing their rank)

>>717446582
https://youtu.be/cpuXUJMP-5o?t=2602

>>717446775
no, no, I know she says that

but, you know, parallels

>>717446661
Remember Aline is his actual "mother". There's no painted version of her. She lived with them before Renoir entered and caused the fracture, trapping both of them in the monolith. He definitely cares for her. He cares for Maelle/Alicia because that's what real Verso did and he was painted in his exact image. He's one of Aline's best creations after all, as Renoir says.
I don't dispute that he cares about his painted family too btw, that much is obvious.

>>717446824
Explain please.

>>717428417
>>717428942
Whichever ending you pick, the painting WILL be destroyed. Maelle and Aline can't play games forever. Realchads like Renoir will put an axe through it SOON, and you can't make believe that away.
Verso's ending at least saves Alicia some grief when that happens.

>>717446976
>You can't just make Maelle's decisions for her, Renoir!
>She can make Verso's decisions for him, though, that's fine.

>>717446932
I believe he would care for her, but more than he cares for P-Alicia? For Lune, Sciel, Monoco, Esquie. And then there's the fact that she doesn't even want to be saved, she made her decision, those other people he care about wants to be saved. In the end him getting to die weighs heavier than all of them, that's how I see it.

>>717447096
>Whichever ending you pick, the painting WILL be destroyed.
Sure, but in one ending Alicia gets to enjoy years of life with her friends and in the other she gets nothing.

>>717447225
I'd say it's different for her to stop a depressed man from ending his life in front of her and him forcing his daughter and wife to come home against their will and doing that by slaughtering countless innocent people.

Verso is not controlled, he's stopped from taking his life in front of her eyes. Who the hell wouldn't be "controlling" in that way towards someone they love?

>>717446318
>the only thing he says
Have you tried playing the game? https://youtu.be/9HsMVig_B_A?si=1cY9JVy-uMsi5_ym&t=1032

>>717447096
This is speculation and pretty weak speculation at that. I don't think the canvas will ever be destroyed in Maelles ending.

>>717447513
>I'd say it's different for her to stop a depressed man from ending his life
But that's what Alicia's doing, killing herself with the canvas because real life is too depressing.

>>717447513
>Who the hell wouldn't be "controlling" in that way towards someone they love?
and yet Aliciafags insist that Versofags should just roll over and watch Alicia slowly kill herself

>>717447819
>>717447848
I don't see it as her killing herself when she gets to live 100 years. That's the slowest suicide ever, you might even call it living a life.

>>717447513
>Who the hell wouldn't be "controlling" in that way towards someone they love?
No shit, that's why Renoir and Verso are trying to save Alicia from committing suicide by canvas in the same way Aline was.

>>717447287
>she doesn't even want to be saved, she made her decision
So Alicia should've let Verso die in her ending then, right?

>>717447903
100 years of crumbling insanity. When you reach Aline she has absolutely no idea what's going on. Renoir, too has experienced it and knows it's no way to live.

>>717447984
It's absolutely not the same thing, she's living out her life in the canvas. She will live for a long ass time. It's also different since to stop her they cause immense suffering to innocent people. If Alicia had to murder 100k people to stop Verso from suiciding then yes it would be wrong of her to do it.

>>717447903
I sincerely doubt Alicia would last for a hundred years if even Aline could barely manage like 80, 67 of which was spent in an increasingly deteriorating mental state.

>>717448080
She goes mad because of Renoir though...

>>717447578
And? Is it the exact wording that you're trying quibble over? Or do you think "Please unpaint me! I don't want this life!" means anything other than "Please let me die!"?

>>717447287
>I believe he would care for her, but more than he cares for P-Alicia
About the same I'd imagine.
>For Lune, Sciel, Monoco, Esquie
Definitely. Well, Monoco and Noco are his dogs and Esquie his cuddly toy. He's aware of this so, while still sad, it's probably less harsh than the death of his painted sister and father.
Yet he still wants to go through with it so his mother can "go home". And like I said, I'm not saying that he doesn't want to die, I'm just saying dying alone isn't his only goal, just like it wasn't real Verso's. He was painted to be as similar to the real Verso as possible (from Aline's POV anyway), which naturally also means he would die to protect his family. Verso did literally die to save Alicia after all.

>>717440104
Yeah, you are arguing wirh autistic retards, duh!?

>>717448129
So it's not about making decisions for yourself, then? You're allowed to do what you think is best for your loved ones? You seem to just be throwing every reason you can think of at the wall to see what sticks, regardless of what you actually believe. Alicia didn't have to murder ANYONE to let Verso die in her ending. She simply had to not bring him back, which is what he chose after being defeated. She should've honored that choice, right?

>>717398763 (OP)

>>717446441
They are fucking copies retard, not the originals

>>717448207
>She goes mad because of Renoir though...
Headcanon. A sane person doesn't paint a fictional human race and a fictional family to live with to delude herself into not feeling like her son is dead. Young verso, Renoir, and even Clea left ghosts throughout the canvas world because of thoughts they had in those moments. There are none for Aline, because she didn't spend a single moment in that canvas with a sound mind.

>>717448363
How did Alicia know about Sciels unborn child and Lune's thoughts on her parents?

>>717448259
Begging her to stop the boy from painting has many greater consequences beyond his own death. If his only concern were his own death, he would've let Renoir gommage him at the beginning of act III. Your reduction of Verso's motivation to nothing but "muh suicide" is extremely flawed.

>>717448363
No they're not. There's literally a scene where Alicia realizes she can still see the gommaged chroma floating around in Lumiere and takes Lune and Sciel's chroma with her.
Pay some fucking attention next time.

>>717448463
Gustave and Sciel's husband weren't gommaged

>>717448289
You are confused. Someone she loves is killing himself in front of her, literally no one would think it's wrong for someone to stop that person from killing themselves, especially since he's depressed.

Alines "suicide" is her deciding to live in a different world for a lifetime where she eventually dies. To stop her from her "suicide" you have to murder thousands of people, that makes it absolutely wrong even if you treat it as a suicide, which it isn't.

>>717443403
The pajeet obssesed retard thread is 4 pages down, retard

>>717403652
what interview is this exactly? I want to watch it.

>>717448527
>Someone she loves is killing himself in front of her,
That is EXACTLY what the family see happening to Aline and Alicia's body in the real world. Further, Verso isn't killing himself - Alicia killed him to stop him from allowing the boy's soul to stop painting. He's simply asking that she not revive him and let him be at peace. She refuses. Why is his choice not something that should be honored?

If you uninstalled the game, you killed quadrillions.

>>717448630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9rBGOMdJCk

>>717448630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD5mQ7sGaPM&t=4s&ab_channel=siel

>>717448513
No, but Gustave's corpse still had his chroma and he wasn't dead for as long as the rest of the expeditioners they brought back for the final battle. Once Alicia gained control of all the chroma in the canvas she could restore him.

>>717448648
It doesn't even matter if they see it as suicide, it's wrong to stop it regardless since by stopping it they're doing insane amount of damage to innocent people, Alicia is not hurting anyone, she's only helping.

Would you let your brother take his life because he was depressed?

>>717448690
>>717448726
much appreciated

>>717448513
Dying and getting Gommage'd is the same thing. Chroma remains. Only death by Nevron destroys the chroma. pRenoir kills the Expeditioners so their chroma returns to the Paintress instead of getting trapped.

>>717403652
I think it's worrying how many people see Versos ending as the good one, a lot of people are morally handicapped.

>>717448527
>To stop her from her "suicide" you have to murder thousands of people
>people
Weird how we don't see the souls of these "people" in the painting, but we do see the souls of actual people in the painting.

>>717448923
The painters put their "soul" into their work.

>>717449030
Which is also why e33 is good, it has soul.

>>717399286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcu5B8iBclk

>>717448906
Anyone who sees a good ending at all is a brainlet.

>>717440279
Why do Real Verso's creations have red chroma? That's Renior's chroma color. And why does Painted Verso has white chroma while Painted Alicia has red chroma?

>>717423435
if there was a happy perfect ending, what would be the point of going for the other ones?

>>717448139
We actually don't know this. If you listen to the Fading Man (Renoir), he says Aline was already mentally deteriorating before Verso's death because she became obsessed with "painting the unpaintable" and didn't paint just for the joy of creation anymore, like Renoir also teaches his children. It's unclear how much staying in the canvas did to her mental state and how much fighting Renoir/Clea and losing Verso did. It's extremely likely she was already going crazy before when you consider what exactly her grieving process involved. The reason I say we don't know is because Clea says they've been in other canvasses for way longer. Renoir shows us that Aline is struggling health wise IRL, but again we don't know if this is because she's been in a 67 year long war or only because she was in the canvas, because Clea being relatively nonchalant about them staying there for "too long" contradicts it. For all we know Alicia could stay in the canvas for a thousand years without any issues.

>>717452201
>Renoir shows us that Aline is struggling health wise IRL, but again we don't know if this is because she's been in a 67 year long war or only because she was in the canvas, because Clea being relatively nonchalant about them staying there for "too long" contradicts it.
My read of the situation is that their body deteriorates on the outside because their mind crumbles on the inside. Aline (and Alicia) are both in the canvas so they can delude themselves into feeling like Verso never died, which is why their minds crumble. Renoir, presumably, was also going through some shit when he got addicted and Aline had to pull him out.

>>717452201
>>717453631
To follow up on this, I don't recall them explaining *why* Aline (and Alicia) lose their minds in the painting, but it's probably because in fictional worlds, you have to leep a grasp of yourself and what's true. Aline had totally lost that by the time Renoir came in, living with her fake family. The same is happening to Alicia - in the beginning of act 2, she talks about how she KNOWS painted verso isn't the real one, but in her ending, she's crying and calling him "brother" and talking about how she wants to live the life that was stolen from them.

Great game.

>>717402359
Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

Sciel is the hottest, but her default hair is the worst.

>>717447096
>You're gonna die eventually, so you should just die now
Why are Versotards like this?
There's some severe time dilation happening. Even one week of Renoir resting and Clea being busy could be at least 7 years, and that's assuming they immediately focus on that shit and don't wait a bit like they waited with Aline.
>BRO, YOU GOT A DISEASE THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA DIE IN YOUR 40S. KILL YOURSELF NOW!!!

>>717455307
Sometimes she looks hot sometimes she looks like a grandma I think her, pRenoir and Verso are the best written characters in the game though

Reminder that real Renoir was literally cucked by a painted dildo of himself.

>>717455828
I don't think Alina spent that much time with him. Seems like she was happy watching over her painted family (except painted Alicia) like a god before Renoir and Clea came in to kick her out.

>>717456480
Nah her entire thing was continuing her life as if Verso hadn't died. She lived with them in (Old) Lumiere. She painted her grief into pRenoir and painted Alicia as burned and with memories of the fire, but she wasn't always on top of the monolith. That only happened after the fracture. It's why Expedition Zero came to be. Renoir and Verso recruited people to get her back and then real Clea came into the canvas and explained everything to them.

How long before Aline and Renoir have make up sex?

>>717458139
they got that old person post coital glow in verso's ending

>jannies delete the thread shitting on this slop
The shill campaign never ends.

These threads are just the same 5 pajeets talking to themselves

>>717458490
>deleted ragebait thread #486789743697693394
>left the real discussion thread up
Based jannies being based for once, get fucked nigger

>>717400690
All painting people are NPCs. They're not sentient, just following their programming (how they were painted)

>>717401934
Cutting the strings on a puppet isn't "killing" it, no matter how convincingly it moves.

>>717458975
wrong

>>717400690
>mass genocide
Of like... 100 people?

What's the tune that plays as everyone gommages following Verso's victory over Maelle?

>>717423719
Congratulations, you got the point of the game.
If you were a traumatized loser, you'd be so sucked in with your Minecraft world that deleting it would actually be something you'd struggle with. The game's endings are meta as in you've spent so much time with these fictional characters that you struggle with making the right choice.

>>717459458
https://youtu.be/O1Gibk8EeY4
This I think

>>717459362
100 people is what they could afford to put in the game. Lorewise it's a lot more than that.

>>717459512
>right choice

>>717455307
fax

>>717459458
it's an unreleased version of Our Drafts Collides

>>717406932
>Billions of people already believe that God flooded the earth and killed almost everyone in it and they're fine with it
Yeah.
And lets see how fine they are with it when God does it again and picks a family that isn't theirs?

Will they still be fine with it when the water is around their ankles and they know God thought they were too disgusting to get on the new ark?

>>717413483
I'm glad delusional retards are being called out for it again.
Pretty soon we'll have the asylums back and you can scrawl shit on your padded walls about how everything you hate failed.

>>717460259
what a fucking slut

>>717398763 (OP)
I was fucking HIGH when I saw the ending and Maelle fucking spooked me, fucking screamer shit ending it was kino tho

>>717459223
Prove their sentience

Maybe if Verso could spend more than two scenes without lying it'd be easier to empathise with his plight

>>717427564
If the child CREATED santa claus I think he has more say over whether his creation is real or not.
God made you and you're REALly retarded.

>>717429018
Same logic as people who torture animals because they don't feel emotion.
Congrats, you're the Chinese cat torturer.

You're the guy who fet a cat her kittens before killing her.

>>717418439
Bane?

>>717460716
play the game

>>717458975
>>717460716
>Aline painted people to come kill her and throw her out

>>717423435
this is your brain on tranime and nintendo games
>It's like Mass Effect 3 all over again for me
holy fuck what an idiot

>>717460805
This. The guy is a cunt.
Why the fuck should I feel bad for him?
End of the day Verso is a character in a videogame anyway so if destroying the canvas isn't genocide then forcing him to act as a battery for the canvas isn't torture.

Verso isn't real Versotards.

>>717400898
>And all those other people but those were my children, lol, I have a right to their life
speedreader retard
Humans were all Aline's creations
Shes the one who fucked up Verso's painting

>>717460716
Do they act in any way that suggests they're non-sentient? You're making the claim that they're not, why don't you have to prove it?

>>717461351
Only the first generation of humans, the rest were all born naturally

>>717400690
sorry child but your griefstricken unwillingness to cope with reality must stop

>>717461079
I have. They're fucking pixels.

>>717461635
Prove my pillow isn't sentient, because I claim it is.
They're chabot AIs in skinsuits. Highly advanced, but all doing what their painted nature tells them to do. No real free will.

>>717461635
This is meta, but do game NPCs act in a way they're non-sentient?

>>717463451
>>717461165

>>717460716
If they aren't sentient then 80% of the story is a complete waste of time. Which admittedly is slightly better than a story where you're supposed to sympathize with unlikable, underdeveloped, godlike-power wielding aristocrats over the thousands if not millions of sentient lives they're playing god over and murdering.

>>717463451
>Prove my pillow isn't sentient, because I claim it is.
that just makes you a retarded schizo, which explains your nonsensical misreading of the story

>>717407167
based

>>717463451
I'll engage in a limited way with your bad-faith argument: You're making a claim (the initial claim in this conversation) that they're not sentient, despite them behaving just as "real" sentient humans do. You claim they're chatbot AIs. You claim they have no free will. What do you support these claims with? The burden is on you, as the first to make a claim. Any request instead that I prove the opposite of your argument will be accepted as your concession. You may also cope and seethe, if you wish.

>>717463553
I thought the discussion was within the context of the game, that the lumierenes differ in their sentience compared t o the dessendres. Your question is another matter entirely.

Bumping this, since faggots keep making the same cheap bait threads.

>>717465495
based

>>717448352
>so much emotion
He loves it

Verso literally has zero character development nor growth.

>>717466987
Yes he does.
See, it's that easy.

I swear they programmed fucky eyefucks to Maelle on Gustave AND Verso.
What a brocon slut.

>>717399358
I do keep coming back to this track myself. I didn't even realize the lyrics were in English at first, it really helps set the scene for being dropped into a world of wonder right after seeing everyone your characters ever knew die a horrible death.
Fuck is this game nice

>>717460836
The child didn't create the people of Lumiere.

For me, it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBZ_alUjfZo

>>717426638
A lot people don't reach this dialogue, but Babby Verso's words are an incredible condemnation of every dehumanizing take on this world

Are Maellefags still pretending Gustav wouldn't have tossed Maelle out of the painting? His conversation with Lucie makes it obvious he'd value her experiences in the outside world over her escapism in Lumiere

Gustave: You came.
Lucie: I wasn’t sure if I should.
Gustave: You’ve been avoiding us. You didn’t have to.
Lucie: Mm. I heard Seba filled my spot. After I left.
Gustave: Yeah.
Lucie: D’you think I’m a coward for staying?
Gustave: Do you?
Lucie: Not anymore. Not all of us can change the world. Some of us can only change ourselves.
Gustave: Meaning what? Make yourself accept the unacceptable? Make believe that happiness is… this?
Lucie: More like… rediscover. Happiness. One Gommage left. Maybe contentment is the highest form of happiness.
Gustave: It makes me sad to hear you talk like this. The Paintress stole so many things, including your capacity to dream.
Lucie: No, you misunderstand. My mind is where I can be free. She can’t touch me there. This is my final act of defiance. Just like the Expedition is yours.
Gustave: If you say so.

>>717471315
Gustave wouldn't want the canvas to be destroyed either, if anything he'd push for a compromise between Alicia and Renoir, i doubt it would work but it's probably the only way to preserve the painting.

>>717413250
He killed everyone in lumiere when he killed the paintress.
He then killed every gestral and grandis in his ending, for good mesure.

>>717399286
https://youtu.be/WAQ4W4ew9is
Easily. Captivated me on first listen

>>717471315
>Gustave would destroy his own world to go against Maelle expressed wishes
You do not understand Gustave. When given a choice he always chose Maelle's wants over her safety.

>>717471835
I like how the lyrics literally spoil the game.
>Verso will tear the canvas
>Maelle’s sorrow endured
>A soul will fade
>Alicia will tear the canvas
>Renoir shattered

>>717471924
>sacrifices his fucking life to protect her safety despite her wanting him to flee
uhhh retard-kun?

Is it just me or is Lune way to disinterested in the fact that she, her world and everyone she knows isn't real?

I know she's smart enough to mainly focus on the world ending, but I though curiosity and understanding were fundamental parts of her character.

>>717398763 (OP)
Is this, strictly visually speaking, the best vidya ending of all time?

>>717473683
there's a bit of side dialogue where she tells Verso that Maelle promised to paint her a version of the real world inside the Canvas for her to explore.

>threads still reaching bump limit 3 months later
yeah it’s winning GOTY

>>717473940
I might actually have gotten comparative enjoyment from DS2.
For completely different reasons though.

I did not care for Gustave and immediately forgot about him.

>>717473683
It is real.

>>717473007
>allowed her to go on the expedition despite knowing it would most likely kill her
>allowed her to continue the journey after everyone died despite knowing her chances to die had skyrocketed
Whenever he was faced with a decision to force Maelle to do something she didn’t want for her safety or let her do what she wants despite the fact that it might kill her. He chose the option to respect her wishes every time.
Him sacrificing himself for her is obviously a completely different scenario, and there really wasn’t any chance for him to run anyway.

Lmao Verso is WAY TOO DRAMATIC about playing the piano

>>717474716
If Gustave runs, she complete at Renoir's mercy
He knows he's throwing himself at a wall against him, but it was all Gustave could do to try and give her a little more time to find a way out of the paint cage

For those who come after

>>717475561
Ironically Gustave's choice didn't matter because if he chose to run Verso would've saved Maelle anyway
Also do we even know what would happen to Maelle if she died in the canvas? Does she die IRL? The game makes it sound like she does because Clea specifically told Verso to look out for her, but it's not really made clear imo. Maybe she just wakes up IRL and realizes oh wait I'm a paintress, then goes inside the canvas again

>>717475956
>what would happen to Maelle if she died in the canvas
Yeah, it's not clear what would happen to Maelle if she got Aeris'd
Renoir tried to "push" Maelle out of the canvas after the paint cage burst, but she stayed inside for some reason
For Maelle to "push" Aline out, she had to be weakened first, so maybe that's how she stuck around?
I'm kinda glad they didn't spell out everything in excruciating detail, honestly

Also I think they should never do a sequel and just hang up their proverbial hats
They could never live up to the hype that any sequel would generate, so it's best to just ride off into the sunset

The Lune stare is HIGHLY overrated

>>717476429
She stuck around because real Renoir used his power to save her somehow. The conversation when pRenoir tries to push her out and she's in this weird space is between real Renoir and Aline
I like how the game has tons of moments like this that only make sense on replays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4QS3F8rJU

it's over

>>717476642
>real Renoir used his power to save her
I think you're right - I just rewatched the scene and it's different than what I remembered, and does seem to indicate that Aline wants Maelle to leave but Renoir keeps Maelle there
Thanks for point that out, anon

>>717474716
>He chose the option to respect her wishes every time.
>Run gustave!
>"No!" I'll die instead, and sacrifice the vitally important lumina converter, without which our entire mission is doomed!
>there really wasn’t any chance for him to run anyway.
just jump off the fucking cliff lmao, esquie was down there and could've swam away from the lampmaster

How old is old Verso?

>>717473683
I thought it was very out of character that she was satisfied with the idea of exploring Alicia's rendition of the outside world in a canvas within a canvas scenario, to the point where it made me wonder if the devs wrote it in to cast doubt on the quality of Alicia's resurrection.

>>717473770
Love him or hate him this nigger is a nonstop KINO machine.
>>717474084
t. Verso and Alicia

>>717476747
the only real problem with the graphics is the searing bloom

>>717477014
some time must've passed at least because they all look older so this piano thing has been going on for years, maybe decades

>>717477014
>born 1979, died 1905
26, though painted Verso seems to have been allowed to age a bit while Aline played mommy with the fake dessendres in the canvas. Perhaps that gives a clue as to how long she was larping before Renoir came and kicked over the sand castle

Clea is an unmarried, spinster cunt.

>>717477403
>seethes so hard that her painted version found love that she tortures both perpetually
Truly the only rational family member :^)

>>717477141

renoir is so cool bros

>>717477403
>>717477548
Clea is in the anger phase of the grieving process and is hyperfixating on her revenge quest against the Writers to hide her true emotions because she feels like she has to carry the weight of the family on her shoulders. It's why she painted over the version of her that allowed herself to feel. She will break down eventually and it will be worse and even more painful than the others, mirroring the death of her painted version. And that's when I'll swoop in and fix her

>>717460225
I didn't even allude to what ending is "right" because that's up to you, tard. Get fucked fatty.

>>717477978
shes just a bitter spiteful cunt and needs a good dicking

>>717478139
>either ending
>"right"
kek midwit

>>717478213
Reread my original post

>>717478231
Concession accepted.

>>717478182
>shes just a bitter spiteful cunt and needs a good dicking
Careful anon, she's French
That means a big unkempt bush, and probably armpit hair on top of it

I thought this game was about feet and sex with cuties why does it need a plot

>>717399286
her theme clears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjM8zHCGc5U&list=RDyjM8zHCGc5U&start_radio=1

>>717476747
I forgot this guy existed
at some point these vids just seem like mental masturbation

>>717399286
best song here
sorry but you all lose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r2iKZ1NWTU&list=RD_r2iKZ1NWTU&start_radio=1

>>717478286
hot
(clea, not the webm)

>>717479079
you are literally 14 hours late to the party >>717424336

>>717398763 (OP)
PLAY THE PIANO OR I'LL PAINT YOUR BALLS OFF AGAIN, VERSO.

>>717398763 (OP)
Verso did nothing wrong

>>717479079
>When the male vocalist comes in, belting out his lyrics
Fucking cinema

>>717479142
nah mine is better

Verso did everything wrong

>>717479271
it's literally the same track, dingdong

>>717479293
nah his is better

>>717479267
>STOP FUCKING PAINTING
>FUCK YOU, STOP LOVING ME
>AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN BITCH
>FUCK YOU
>FUCK YOU
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>please keep loving me
>please keep painting
>I love you

>>717479443
are these the lyrics?

>>717478656

>>717398763 (OP)
why does the asian one look like emiru

>>717479535
>are these the lyrics?
Pretty close, yeah

>>717479535
essentially

>>717479586
Yes, Lune. Feet. Why are you so surprised? Dumb bitch you have your floorclappers out and pointed at the camera the entire time

>>717479586
why did they make the asian girl a walking fetish?

why is aline such a bitch, like she still has two other kids

>>717479789
...? is there another purpose for asian girls?
>>717479821
muh grief

>>717479821
it was her son anon

>>717479821
in the canvas she has all 3 :)

>>717441238
it's not real and it's not genocide faggot

>>717399286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wapBCiv-IYk&list=RDwapBCiv-IYk&start_radio=1

it's such a simple unremarkable piece but i love it without knowing fully why

>>717480051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ITa7vlOPeY
I like the battle theme too

>>717480051
it just really nails the vibe of the zone

>>717480148
This also plays during the Gommage when Sophie gives Gustave his suit

>>717480316
isnt it called revenant or something like that? i know im way off but if i had the game installed id check the vinyls

>>717480051
this song is like looking into a photo album with all your best memories but you know the last pages are shit

>>717399286
>no one's posted it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKuO-KGwQ3M

>>717480597
anon...
>>717399404