>>716173110
The heroes are gonna have to kill each other. Kris and the Knight are threatening to start the Roaring because they think they can accomplish some other goal without actually ending the world, but they're wrong and won't be able to control what they've wrought. In order to actually save the world, the human must die and the girl has to pull the trigger. Ralsei thought if they were nice enough and convinced Kris to abandon the plan, then the ending would change and Kris would get to live.

>frisk
>kris
>vriska
>varik
>all of them are just a few letters away from eachother
WHAT DOES IT MEAN

>>715720896
>well ya see. sometimes tendies want to accuse someone called eric of shitting up their threads
>its been that way since breath of the wild!
>and if there's nobody criticising a nintendo game, they get moody... and take it out on the board.
>now, here's the thing about that.
>eric has NEVER been here!!! not once!!!
>and in order to stop the tendies from shitting up the whole board
>we just started taking turns pretending to be him!
>and you know what the weird thing is!? it actually worked!!!
>as long as there's a critic, the tendies actually believe it.
>...
>just, before you go tell the tendies, lemme ask you one last thing.
>who's eric?! who is he?!
>cause none of us have ever seen him! none of us! ever!
>every time a tendie accuses someone of being eric its either like...
>they just accuse a regular poster, we false flag, or its obvious bait.
>so who is eric? who is he? is he just the tendies imaginary friend?
>is he their alter-ego?! like some alternate personality or something?!
>and why the hell does he get so much attention!?
>if the snoys are their most hated, what does that make him?!
>>uh, what if its us?
>us?
>>yeah, we been pretending to be eric doin' stuff...
>>what if when we pretend to be eric, we's actually eric?
>what?
>its ALWAYS been us?
>then where'd the idea of eric come from in the first place?
>>beats me
>this doesnt make any sense
>what about you!? you came to this thread!
>are YOU eric? are you?
>huh!? are ya? are ya?

>>531025529
>susies.png
Where's that from? Anyone got the pic?

>>715262129
thats the point.
consider the theory where noelle is supposed to be [THE GIRL] and we are playing a timeline where things have been fudged a little bit.
>noelle starts with healing magic
>noelle starts with ice magic as a foil to ralsei's fire magic (as opposed to susie's... rude magic?)
>noelle can wear ribbons (which the girl is supposed to do)
>everything noelle innately fits, susie needs a massive character arc for.
>noelle = white cloak in the mantle game = hooded [the girl] in the prophecy
>shadow crystals seemingly show a version of reality where susie is still distant while kris and noelle are closer
susie has been shoehorned into things, she is CANONICALLY more important than she's supposed to be.

>>530778030
Nobody! Who fucking cares? It literally doesn't matter, you raging autist.

>>715103286
the schizophrenia is the best part though

>Half the darkners are fucking schizos
>The other half are fetish abominations that would put Slaaneshi demons to shame
>The land is ruled over by tyrants who do it for free
>There are daily civil wars over the most retarded things imaginable

>Mettaton's body is used by papyrus as a random puzzle generator
>Metal Crusher is the only song with the Grandpa Semi leitmotif
>RANDOM PUZZLE GENERATOR
>RNG is tied to Friend
Did alphys base Mettaton's original body off of a fucking Friend machine made by Gaster?

>>714614518
>the lancer fun squad is so weak because they physically can't kill darkners (directly) and thus can't get EXP to level up, only being able to level up at all thanks to getting freebies from sealing fountains

>>714451327
>ch6 castle town, if and only if you've gotten all the shadow crystals
>all the cats are missing
>no tasques, half the shadow men are gone.
>even tasque manager, nowhere in sight.
>the only person that comments on it is queen saying "It Feels... Empty. I Know You Didnt Do Anything Kris, But Keep Your Guard Up"
>the three mikes are gone
>instead there are game carts on the floor
>they've been completely corrupted, all the cats are just FRIEND
>enter seam's shop
>he's been working on the pure crystal since CH5
>its no longer a shop space, but a normal room
>the pure crystal is complete...
>but so too has FRIEND's takeover, his missing eye is pink and his hollow smile is replaced with a toothy grin
>a battle starts.

>>529771676
>>529772032
>>529772462
>"T-there's TWO Knights, actually!"

>>714319538
This is why the Knight wants to cause the roaring. They entered the dark world at some point and fell in love with a darkner, but can't fully consumate and enjoy the relationship without darkness blanketing the world.
The Darkner the Knight fell in love with is the Rudinn that knows (our) name in Castletown

>>714082236
Everyone here actually fucking lost it. The schizos of the chapter 2 hype days cannot hope to compare

>>714027919
FUARKKKKK

>>3793071
THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY
>schizotheories take time to form, insane mental connections cannot be made overnight (or maybe they can if you let your mind run on autopilot for a bit lol)
>the obvious threads and hooks have been splurged already.
>in the meantime: kris enjoying doe fur and dino scales(?) (or the cowboy human enjoying fox fluff)
its the simplest fucking shit, and yet there's that one nigger that keeps posting THE LIST but we've already talked about most of it and the rest is schizo stuff that needs time to marinate on the cork board

>makes an entire segment dedicated to shitting on retarded schizo theorists
Based, Toby.

>>713890434
do you not understand?
THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.
you're SUPPOSED to act like you truly 100% believe that your schizo theory will happen and go to the ends of the earth to defend it. pulling every possible source both in game and out to justify it.

Funny how Deltarune chapter 4 includes the average /jp/hu user in it.

>>713781278
>>713781687
>>713781680
>world operates off of videogame logic
>results in things like:
>(you) being able to teleport with the response box
>the forgotten man being able to speak in the old world.
>kris knowing that he can force the battle to end when you're nohitting the knight, so that you cant derail things
>shopkeepers being safe since a shop dialog is initiated with them instead of a battle
>...
>noelle is known for breaking games.
>she's knows approximately where items are from (another unque case: trying to give her the hammer will make her say "susie beat up an old man?")
>she's able to not only throw things off the rails, uniquely having the one lethal spell so far...
>but she also has the ability to kill shopkeepers, which up to this point are immune to us. something that even a max lv human cant do unless they destroy the whole world
noelle is how we break the game in half
we'll potentially combine her naturally aura of glitchiness with high LV to take a strike at the world's very logic, thus permanently screwing something so that we can derail things in a replay on the normal route and get the good ending.

Something strange I noticed about the check act. If you don't count enemies that you can't use check on, there's only 3 enemies whose check just doesn't work, being K. Round, Jevil, and the Knight. K. Round is obviously for the checkers joke, and the Knight is because of Kris sandbagging and not actually analyzing the Knight. So what the fuck is up with Jevil then? Why does Jevil specifically get highlighted as there being no strategy to defeat him? Even the titan has a weakness pointed out when checked. I feel incredibly like the schizo Pippins right now.

>>713689596
>susie wants to repeat the game over and over to avoid the bad end
>susie is dragon blazers' dragon
>if skies forever blue is dragon blazers, the dragon is the final boss
>if you have a broken battery and can't save, being killed by the final boss would reset you to the beginning
i am definitely reading way too much into this

Schizophrenia Edition

Previous Schizophrenic Episode >>528809893

Spoilers ahead, proceed at your own Kris.

-DELTARUNE CHAPTER 1-4
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1671210/DELTARUNE/

-The Old Game
>https://undertale.com
-The Old Game's Demo
>https://undertale.com/demo

-The New Game
>https://deltarune.com

-The New Game's Progress
>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/
>https://deltarune.com/#news
>https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

-Merch
>https://www.fangamer.com/collections/undertale
>https://www.fangamer.com/collections/deltarune

-Books
-Undertale Artbook
>https://pastebin.com/1MRmU0Gk (embed)

-Legends of Localization - Undertale
>https://pastebin.com/DkZaXMpi (embed)

-Extra Content
>https://undertaleqa.tumblr.com
>https://undertale.com/alarmclock
>https://deltarune.com/sweepstakes/
>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/

-Undertale/Deltarune Text Dumps & Screenshots
>https://pastebin.com/WG9u1fvH (embed)

-Undertale Image Collections
>https://pastebin.com/g2JqH6Ba (embed)

-Booru (newly resurrected, please help tag)
>https://utg.vidya.pics/

-Recommendbin
>https://pastebin.com/fsqd5Sa6 (embed)

-Writebins
>Current: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZaYVvltQ_Rmf-ggszf1bwmYDW2NUcfpTYU7JzfyMhVE
>Old: https://writebin.surge.sh

-Comicbin
>https://pastebin.com/UJpBYSEE (embed)

-Fangamebin
>https://archive.is/iSiFg

-/vg/ League team
>https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//utg/

-Wanna change the font?
>https://rentry.org/utg-font

-Thread Template
>https://pastebin.com/rTN8SxAw (embed)

Post theories ITT or a skeleton will rip off your balls and you will bleed to death :-)

>>713657217
>since chapter 1, i told fangame that some characters would be more or less off limits after a certain point
>after a certain point
learn to read between the lines, retards.
its not some "integrity of the narrative" reason but there's genuinely going to be something in 5-7 that completely changes how we view the characters

>>713593902
of course he'd get popular, he's literally us.

>>713514342
we've only just begun, you havent seen SHIT.

>>528484310
Artery wounds, obviously, but puncturing one of those is going to require immediate hospital attention, or at the very least, Kris understanding and having the ability to cauterize/sew a wound shut. Generally, the closer to one's arteries, the more blood will come out. Arteries will generally release much more blood as they are somewhat pressurized, driven by your heart with oxygen, whereas veins carry deoxygenated blood being sucked back towards your heart. Most folk just cut on the underside of their arms, near their wrist - The depth and exact proximity towards the wrist can cause a decent amount of bleeding.

Maybe it has something to do with Kris' Goner-Hand?


---

Also, hey, I'm the Other Green Pippins poster. I'm going to rework my shitty MS paint corkboard into something more presentable with Krita. I'll hammer out a template and get back to you guys tomorrow evening

>>713336662
IM GONNA FUCKING LOSE IT

>>528379430
FRIEND IS FLOWEY DELTARUNE

>>713181938
>Deltarune threads get nuked while the borderline pedo DK threads stay up

>>528105792
>>528105893
FRIEND is going to be some kind of deltarune equivalent to flowey isn't he

>>713145418
>at this rate (We) will be a secret boss somehow
who do you think mike is supposed to be

>>3785862
before 3+4 we KNEW that
>that mike was spamton's friend
>spamton and mike have some kind of history
>that mike was someone tenna and his crew were hunting down
this was all confirmed through the sweepstakes and game.
>inb4 "oh sweepstakes isnt canon"
thats a bullshit copout and you know it, toby only said that so that we wouldnt rag on him for changing his story.

>susie actually WAS meant to be the girl
>but
>with her the prophecy's worst effects cannot be avoided...
>because she does not have a lethal spell.
>snowgrave will ultimately result in noelle becoming strong enough to reset, giving you a NG+
>her resetting results in kris waking up on time, so that she can be (you)r partner for the project
>she remembers jack shit from the last timeline, but is more obsessed with kris
>sidelines berdly completely, susie ends up as his partner (he accepts it because susie just makes him do the work, he's fine with her not touching the project)
>noelle's timeline warps the prophecy for her to be the girl instead.
>with noelle in her place, and the ability to gain a lethal spell, the prophecy's worst effects are avoidable, the things that'd cause the tragedies can just be frozen before they have a chance
>BUT
>because susie didnt have her character growth, she became the tragedy source. so she has to be frozen.
>since she's still a bully nobody will really miss her on this route.
>nobody except for (you), and you're doing all this because you want the best ending ending, don't you?
>you'll have to do the susie equivalent of snowgrave so that SHE resets the timeline
>this causes her to eventually gain the ability to use her lethal spell, but with the positive mindset of her character growth.
>this means that the tragedy causers can be stopped, and since its her as the girl the tragic end causers are actually full blown pieces of shit that cant have a character arc
>susie can wear ribbons in this timeline

the final prophecy panel is
>A FRIEND THE HEROS MUST SLAY
this sets up reasonable dread from the gang, knowing that someone close must die.
it makes ralsei think that the prophecy could be changed by simply being nice to everyone, making sure that nobody would have a reason to kill
it makes susie laugh, because at the time she thinks that it'd be as simple as not killing her friends.
BUT it also sets up the way to avert the prophecy:
>a FRIEND the heros must slay
the double meaning shit is already done earlier in the prophecy
>LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL
>LOVE finds its way to the girl
its pretty obvious that regular love applies to susie in the normal route and LOVE applies to noelle in the weird route.
but both converge on killing a friend regardless. susie turning against kris for working with the knight in the normal route, and the fun gang trying to stop you and noelle.
the between the lines route is about breaking the game in such a perfect way that it allows you to replace slaying a friend with slaying a FRIEND.
the line also rhymes with
>TO SAVE THE WORLDS THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY

>>713031473
SHE SAW (YOU)
SHE WAS STARING AT (ME)
SHE IS FUCKING HIDING SOMETHING AND USING HER ROLE AS A GENERIC SIDE NPC AS COVER

>>712975424
>>712975645
>the cat petterz minigames are corrupted by a FRIEND
>the mikes brought a FRIEND to castle town
>but this FRIEND is not the same as the yellow/pink one, its yellow/purple
WHATS THE DISTINCTION?
WE KNOW THE PINK ONE IS TRYING TO LEAD YOU TO SCHIZO BOSSES AND SNOWGRAVE, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE PURPLE ONE???

>>712971995
CHARA BEING BROUGHT BACK BY "YOUR POWER" ISNT REAL
it was FRIEND.
FRIEND disguised as chara so it could snag a soul, and all it had to do was wait for you to get bored with undertale before jumping ship over to deltarune.
gaster brought you to deltarune so you could beat that shithead and stop it from playing with reality doing so will permanently remove genocide's consequences from undertale. you get a proper ending because FRIEND isnt there to block it

>>712962732
>>712962794
>>712963110
>>712963424
>>712963482
>asriel used to be a friendless, achievementless, dork
>eventually, FRIEND appeared to him
>promised him actual popularity and success
>he took it
>got a little brother
>became friends with dess
>became the cool kid and got all kinds of awards
>but, eventually, FRIEND left him
>when it did, it took dess as "compensation"
>this event alone broke everything and started pushing asriel back down
>he left hometown to escape before things went too far downhill.
>dess was then corrupted into the knight by FRIEND
>the demon that kris and catti summoned was a FRIEND, it offered the same shit to kris (the deal with kris specifically taking his SOUL and forcing him to use others, the other souls making him more popular... on occasion)
>FRIEND is what asgore has been chasing and trying to prove this whole time, that there's a demon in the woods making deals with people and bringing their downfall
>FRIEND makes the mistake of trying to offer success to asgore
>the "inferno of jealousy" is just an interpretation of the legend
>the inferno is actually asgore finding FRIEND's hiding spot, making a dark world there, and burning the place with magic (this of course does not stop FRIEND, but he is able to salvage enough to prove it)

>>712951102
>>712951978
which means that in order to break the prophecy and get the best ending, we gotta break yuritrash

>>712910837
Similar to how your SOUL has the power to shine light onto the darkness, it has the opposite power to draw darkness into a room. It started animated the wallpaper like a Darkner.

>>712899191
schizophrenia

>>712852585
>if you activate the santa before leaving she wont clarify that kris is welcome, just asks him to turn it off before leaving
>the reason why she doesnt is because "yeah thats a kris thing to do", she just assumes kris is in control at the moment
>kris knows he can come over at any time, but she has to tell (you) still
>we'll most likely gain the ability to go over to the holiday's house if we get another overworld bit without susie.

Dess managed to transport to Undertale long long ago, that's why Rudy there has more daughters than Rudy here. The Knight and Carol want to bring her back the same way we were brought to this world. This requires a sacrifice of some kind; the test-run was Kris' soul.

>>527633159
>>527633258
ITS GONNA BE SUSIES MOM/DAD SCREENSHOT THIS

>>527609523
I'm sorry, Anon, but even as a shipper this is pure shipping rot. Out of all the interesting things that happened in Chapter 4 you're putting more focus on two cute lesbeans. I need to reiterate, in chapters that involved the knight, a titan, all of Gerson, Ralsei's breakdown, the prophecy, the schizo routes, the fact that Susie's starting on her journey to break fate, and so much more, a cute little date with a deer in the festival (which we don't 100% know will happen the way we think it'll happen) somehow makes up a good chunk of the game? Are you—

>and most of Noelles dialog
Well you definitely have me there, but there's a reason we bitch about her here. That, and she was a lot less plot relevant these two chapters in the grand scheme of things. Except maybe the weird route, something's building up there.

>>527608313

>>527587362
Cynics can overthink shipping to be honest. I love Krusie, but mostly from the friendshipping dynamic. The romance is a plus since I'm a fucking Deltarune fan like that, but it doesn't override the former at all.

>Shippers have always been weird to me for pointing at friendships as "having more chemistry" when that relationship is framed differently from the canonical romantic one.
It's a massive concession if we're weighing ships with each other DESU. The whole point of shipping is playing up fun chemistry in fan discussion/content. Even if Krusie was 100% platonic it'd still be the better ship than Suselle even if Susie and Noelle were in the middle of scissoring. Otherwise why have a shipping culture anyway? Oh, these two characters aren't actually a CANON and TRUE and HONEST item, time to pack it up boys.

Are we ever going to see Asriel in Deltarune?

>>712728825
Undertale is actually another Lightworld, not a darkworld.

>>527513282
>now the theoryschizos are trying to connect Dess to Chara
Oh fuck off. Again, this is why Fox is starting to turn on his fanbase. You people are out of your minds, and it's a genuine problem.

>twisted sword gives trance down
>noelle can equip it
THEORY TIME
>completing the weird route will shove a permanent trance on noelle, making her become your project partner on a new game, and getting her in the closet instead of susie.
>effectively a side B to the game.
>noelle acts like herself unless you start freezing enemies. maybe give her an additional spell so you have a "non-lethal" option for fighting with her spells.
>susie ends up joining berdly in CH2, making the fights annoying as hell
>the way to break the trance for the next new game and return to normal is by finishing the game with noelle wielding the twisted sword, snowgraving again has no meaningful difference.

Reminder that your theory crafting is obnoxious and stupid, and even Toby Fox hates you for spewing piles and piles of autistic wank all day. It's a video game. Kill yourselves.

>>712582864
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT

>>712531218
Is Ralsei a black shard given form in the dark world?

>>527264875

>>712515153
>Fixed an issue of trapped in the closet.
>Fixed an issue of trapped out the closet.
WHAT THE FUCK DID HE MEAN BY THIS

>the amount of [power] you gain from slaughtering enemies is overwritten from the stat gain of closing a fountain
>assuming we get noelle back in ch5's dark world, she'll also be stronger than when we left her off, in all stats most likely.
>would need noelle for all three of the remaining chapters to have any real stat hiking, even then it wont be much.
>unless its been changed with the new release, noelle has uncapped stat scaling. while the main party is limited to a few dozen extra HP
so what the fuck does toby have planned that warrants noelle having uncapped stat scaling? are we going to take her on a crusade like the mantle game once we are finally free from kris?

>>712478457
I'm trying but I can't make sense of it either.

>>712460147
DECEMBER HOLIDAY>VALENTINES>ALCHEMY>ACORNS>POLICE OFFICERS
THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED